MP5 is an excellent firearm for security forces but if I were to be in an actual warzone I'd much prefer the AK74. The power that 5.45 has would be a huge advantage that 9mm doesn't have.
Unexpectadly this story hit close to my hurt. My father was on one of those last planes - spend six years working in UN mission in Kabul. Will send a link to this video to him and call tomorrow to talk about that day.
Unfortunately video will be impossible - he is 83 years old and lives in Ukraine. With current Covid 19 situation there I would not risk sending any of my friends to record it . Will chat with him about that day and if there is something interesting will write his story and send it to you.
@@9HoleReviews Ok, here is his recollection of those events: Main evacuation of the embassy personnel and diplomats from other diplomatic organizations was conducted on April 12 1991. Three planes was sent to move these people from the country. That time Kabul was still under control of governmental / Masoud's forces. It was relatively safe and trip from the embassy compound to the airport went without any troubles. My father was part of this evacuation. Around 120 embassy personnel was ordered to stay, 10 women were among them. Embassy detail and some number of paratroopers were providing security to the embassy compound, he does not know how many of them were there. Street fights started one week after main evacuation took place. Evacuation of remaining personnel and security detail was ordered in June 1991. Two planes were sent to bring these people home. Only one managed to land, the other one was shut down during landing approach (Kabul airport is located in the valley and planes have to make three loops above Kabul in order to reduce altitude or gain if they are leaving, during this time they are extremely vulnerable). Part of people was evacuated on the remaining plane, the other part was moved by buses to USSR under protection of Masoud's fighters. By the way, all civilians stationed in Kabul (regardless diplomatic status) were provided with handguns, AK and I remember one of my father's colleges quick remark that he has a crate of grenades stashed under his bed, so would not be surprised that this was not an uncommon case.
The correct answer is" doesnt matter" in a thin skin vehicle trying to get staff to a exfil, you dont shoot back you just drive and hope like hell you dont get hit. If you get in a firefight you will lose.
@@Themayseffect didnt mean to not take a weapon if offered or both if thats an option. But just a broad term. Many people have been discussing caliber and ranges, just thought i would include some reality.
@@potNutssame plan would still apply, if you get into a shootout you're dead, you would be better off to avoid. With wounded(especially if he is non abulatory) and non combatants in tow your not going to be able to navigate on foot in a series of running gun battles. The vehicle is the most important tool you have. If it is shot up you stand out like a sore thumb and you will have more wounded to care for. If the vehicle is shot and becomes non operational you again become a sitting duck. One person (unless your john wick and there is a camera crew there) wont fight through a roadblock under the circumstances.
I think everyone will choose ak74SU for ballistic purposes but if you are more versed with an MP5 you will be more effective wielding MP5 than ak. Also, if this is a night time operation having a light is not a bad idea either.
@@702flyguy I wonder if using that light as you are running and gunning thru downtown Kabul would be more of an advertisement to "shoot me" than an shooting aid.
@@briantanner1068 You're not supposed to use the light on for more than a long flash/few seconds. Ideally you want to be just flashing it and identifying what you can see in the flash which also might help disorient the enemy
@@briantanner1068 you wish, in Ebonia you would have a choice of a Mauser 98 chambered in 7mm Mauser with a supply of 30.06 ammo or a 8mm Nambu with a supply of 8mm Mauser ammo.
In this scenario I can see no real advantage for the MP5. The aimpoint and light are major advantages in cqb and as personnel defense IN the embassy, but the situation has changed. The added capabilities of the 5.45 caliber in a war zone in a situation where you may have to engage in roadways with potentially anywhere from 10s to 100s of meters means even with the short barrel, the rifle holds a distinctive advantage. The weapons are otherwise not different enough in my perspective, nor manual of arms, to make a difference in my opinion. The caliber alone makes this decision for me.
The only advantage to the mp5 that I can think of is if you are sitting in the passenger seat next to the driver, shooting the ak inside the vehicle is probably going to disorient your driver. I could see someone choosing the mp5 if you are prioritizing speed and using the gun just to suppress assailants while your driver gets you out of the situation.
Tony Webb it doesn't get much more close qtrs than inside a vehicle trying to get shots off . Have you ever fired a weapon inside a vehicle? Incredibly loud .
That is so cool. I'm actually Russian. For a long time I've followed Vladimir Onokoy on social media and wondered, when he collaborates with English speaking youtubers to represent our country. Finally, this day has come. I'm sure this will be cool, because Vladimir has perfect English skills and extensive knowledge of Russian gun industry.
The AK, by a lot. Not much of a weight difference but a huge increase in effectiveness. And as a Russian security officer, I certainly have an ample amount of trigger time on the platform
Everyone seems to forget that your training as a Russian Security Officer is of massive importance. In my opinion, you will not need the aimpoint nor the light either, you aren't doing any room clearing and you've trained with irons. Plus, ammo is relatively more available. And agreed not standing out is the most important aspect of this mission
If they were security at an embassy in Kabul it wouldn't be far-fetched to believe they even had 7N6M in those 74's. Probably not the 7N10 since it was introduced in 1992.
Give me that old time religion. This is one of a few specific incidents where I would choose an AK. A Soviet Security Officer is going to be almost instinctual in his use of an AK, no matter how much he has played/trained with the MP5. The technological add ons afforded the MP5, the red dot and flashlight, are not enough to over ride his primary training and affinity for the AK. Make it a US Security officer in Tehran make it anXM177 or that MP5 and it MIGHT be different, but I would still bet on the XM177.
The supposed advantages of the MP5 are negated by the situation. The red dot is the only useful thing, and AK-style sights are still very usable in low light. You can't use the light or you'll just light yourself up like a Christmas tree; lights are only useful if you're on the offensive and have tactical advantage. The MP5 is actually less controllable in full-auto than an AKS-74U. AND it's less able to penetrate barriers like cars. It's the objectively inferior choice. Really, in this situation, the AK is the only choice. There are many reasons why SMGs are effectively extinct on the modern battlefield, and this is a prime example.
@@ClitoridectomyGroyper Yeah, the AKS-74U may be the better choice, but not because of full auto controllability. Shooting the MP5 full auto is like using cheat codes, and I doubt much of anything is more controllable.
Dude, these videos are awesome!! Thank you for your work . More wars during the cold war is interesting, and it shows how strong the USSR really was at the time.
If that "on the way to the airport" darkness shown is what's going on the MP5 would seem to take it, otherwise the (assumed) more familiar AK. Definitely the most interesting pick 1 so far, looking forward to the debate!
I'm going to have to ponder on this one. But if it's '92, the Aimpoint and light wont be nearly as robust and powerful as we're used to today. I don't know how long a drive it is or if it's going to stretch into the night. No promises were made to me about the condition of the batteries either. Initially I'm leaning toward the AK as the more effective weapon that will also look and sound more similar to background noise in the area. If we're stopped, nobody will ask about the AK and it might not blow cover but the MP5 is an attention getter.
@W J I don't know, man. Looking at Aimpoint's discontinued models, and being set in '93, it's probably the 2000, 3000 or 5000 model. Assuming the newest, nicest model and saying it's the 5000, I'm finding battery life of between 250 and 500 hours. That's great, but I still don't know the state of it. Are 1/3N 3v batteries easily replaced in Kabul while this thing was in inventory? It's a valid consideration.
I can't decide either. Not knowing what time of day and how long the drive is expected to be time wise is really messing with the considerations for me. If the run can be expected to end by dusk, the AK. If it will go into the night, the MP-5. Having our "cover" blown by the weapon choice I see as a non-consideration due to the likely ethnic make-up of the group and convoy size. If the convoy gets stopped, the op has already gone sideways. From the description (may have been updated since my reply) : "[This is an early dawn extraction.]" AK it is.
Here's the deal: you're extracting through a darkened hostile city. You're going to be surrounded and outnumbered. Enemy vehicles may be involved. In that situation, a light will just draw attention to you from another angle, and you need to be able to punch through vehicles. Also, an AKS-74U is actually MORE controllable in full-auto than an MP5. The AK is absolutely the right choice here.
Would go with the MP5 (for the easier handling, the light and of course the aimpoint - way easier to handle for a civilian) Vladimir is a great guy - love his videos
Here is the answer that my father, who is a retired 18B, gave me after showing him the video. "That's crazy, I have been to that russian building. The building I was living in at kabul airport was a kgb torture facility it had metal rings in the back room in the floor." "I'm taking the MP5, it's more accurate. One shot one kill mentality. Think black hawk down situation" "You have a suitcase full of 9mm ammo, if I didn't have that then I would pick the AK so I had the option of battle field recovery." "But like I said, suitcase of 9mm. I'm taking the mp5 for accuracy if you get over run or hit by a V shaped ambush your f*cked anyway so well placed rounds count. Mp5" "By the way either of those in a situation like that are like for when the bus breaks and it's close quarter. It's not like you gonna be gunning mfers zipping down the road like some hero." "Also sure the mp5 has a 3 round burst, not sure if AK74 does."
This is a tough one. The force multipliers on the MP5 definitely have value in unpredictable situations, however the 74U has the edge in range and ammunition compatibility with what is currently available. For that reason, I would go with the 74U, but it would be a close one.
Alot of people have made great points in favour of the 74u and I've gotta say I agree. The flashlight and aimpoint are as much points of failure as they are advantages, and at this point in time wouldn't be nearly as advanced or sturdy as modern counterparts, while the 74u seems to have a sling attached. Making transportation easier without sacrificing a hand to carry or risk putting it down for tasks that require two hands The user in question would've had all his basic training and significant experience on the ak platform and under stress would revert to this no matter how much he's played with the mp-5 While both rifles come with "ample" of ammunition, spare 5.45mm is going to be far easier to come across than 9mm (checking under the seats of those Gaz/Ural trucks should yield at least a handful), and there's always a risk (especially in the dark and/or under stress) you could mix up the 9mm parabellum with the 9mm makarov in use with the int. Officer, stranger things have happened and results could be unpleasant. In addition to technical aspects there's also political, any pictures of the user carrying a western weapon leaking to world media would be an embarrassment even for post Soviet Russia, possibly career ending (or worse), at the very least would result in some awkward questions being asked of you as to where you aquired it ect, questions better avoided.
Love those pick one videos ; One thing I want to suggest is to always add one question besides 'pick one' : your ideal setup for same scenario, like you can have any small arm you wish. You could also ask this t your guests, pick one AND describe your 'perfect' setup. Cheers keep up good work ;
AK-74: Local resupply (mags and ammo) readily available. MP-5 may or may not have been maintained. Diplomats are likely to have had some familiarity with AK platforms.
@@goodluck2119 (This is a POF made MP5 that was captured by a Spetsnaz team years before that ended up with the embassy security staff when they could not return to Russia after mission, so the embassy security staff have been training on it and putting it to their own use)
I'd take the MP5. The light and red dot would be indispensible in low light (as would the reduced muzzle flash vs. the Krink). Also, my mission is to get the convoy of civilians to the airfield safely; if I'm shooting it's not to kill the enemy so much as it's to suppress him so we can "get off the X" (that's a tactical way of saying "keep driving"). I'm not taking aimed shots from a speeding bus, but bursts might be quite viable and the 9mm SMG would shine there, especially if I didn't have to line up notch-and-post iron sights but had a RDS instead. I'd also hate to deal with the muzzle blast from the Krink inside the confines of a vehicle and such could also be very disconcerting to civilians who are already frightened by the whole situation and may have little or no exposure to the sound of gunshots, causing them to panic or lose hearing at a critical time. The Krink's only advantage here is ballistics, which are sort of nerfed by its short barrel length anyway. Besides, if the 9mm ammo is Russian then it's probably +P+++ and the projectile made of plutonium and AIDS which would close the gap even further.
First priority is the safety of your passengers, so avoiding contact is your best option. Shemaughs for everyone. I'm gonna assume a few things about the person from the staff I pick as a driver: they know the streets between the embassy and the airport, they have an idea where the "good mujahedeen" vs the bad ones are, and they've done a tour as a driver in New York or Paris where they learned to drive aggressively. I choose my driver before I choose my firearm. The wounded intelligence officer with the Makarov sits behind the senior staff, not as a bodyguard, but to insure they are not captured, tortured, and paraded thru Afghanistan. That is all that Mak is good for at this point. I will assume "ample ammunition" means a gross of fully loaded mags, so the person sitting behind me has the job of handing me mags- or a reloaded AK74SU, if we have a spare. Red dot sight will be marginal help if I am shooting on the move, and I will always be doing that. Once the shooting starts, the van does not stop until it is surrounded by desantniki. The flashlight verses the headlights on the van, match on a fire. If I'm shooting to the side, it will be at muzzle flashes; shooting behind means shooting thru the back window because I can't turn in the window to do anything more than suppressing or harassing fire. Shooting over open sites allows me greater situational awareness than focusing on a single target thru a sight. Add familiarity with the AK family since I was in Communist Youth Programs and I'm picking the AK74SU. It would just feel like a part of me when I, Comrade Embassy Security Officer, handle it.
Honestly reading the comments I see the pros and cons. When using a weapon in a high stress situation, I believe that the weapon you've been using for 90% of your career is the best weapon to take, even with the training that was done on the mp5 in the scenario. Besides that the precision shooting out of a moving vehicle argument isn't a great one as if you're driving at high speeds it's about making what hits you can and the more powerful cartridge has a better chance of causing serious damage. So to my mind the power as well as being able to blend in if given the chance makes the AK a better choice. Anything that causes doubt in an aggressor gives you split seconds to be first to take whatever action you think is appropriate. So I believe although the 9mm weapon is great and has been used by many top tier military units the AK is better for this specific situation and person using it in the scenario because of the experience that the person has with the weapon probably in other high stress situations. As a side note: The sound of an AK if there is still fighting going on in the city is less likely to attract attention as the sound would likely blend with the rest of the gun fire as I assume that the forces in the area would also have the same AK style of rifle. Great channel. Great content. Keep it going. I'd love to hear the rest of the story that this is based on.
It's a bit of a stretch to regard the 74u as a rifle, it's chambered for a rifle cartridge but you've lost a lot of the performance. If this was a choice between a battle rifle and an mp5 the decision is easy, prone the diplomats and go ham.
Mp5 for three reasons 1) the flashlight is a major bonus. I would expect the need to move at night, and having a flashlight easily available could make a huge difference. 2) Shooting inside a vehicle. There is the potential to gave to discharge the firearm inside a vehicle around people unfamiliar with how loud that is. The last thing I want to have happen is for me to neutralize one threat just to have someone run from the vehicle because they think a bomb went off. A short barrel rifle discharging in a confined space could cause that. 3) recoil. I am willing to bet that as a security officer in a foreign country that I am not spending much time at the range. Because of that, going for the gun with the least recoil to allow me faster follow up shots makes sense.
Couple of questions: - Are there other Protection Officers/Agents in the detail? What other protection contingent is there at the Embassy that would be locking down the buildings and accompanying the escort? - Are there direct open and clear routes from the embassy to the airport, or will evasion and a "long way 'round" need to be undertaken in consideration? And if so, which zones are Masoud- influenced and more likely to allow passage? - *And with that, how much currency is available or items that can be traded for access/ egress is available in the case of encountering a roadblock (or multiple ones) and having to bribe your way through? Aks74u, hands down. The slower rate of fire than the MP5 will also help conserve ammo, apart from the better range capabilities and better penetrating/ damage power aspects of the 5.45 round. It's just as compact and great for PSD/EP type work and in vehicles (and is still commonly used in that theater for such). May also be more likely to come across ammo for it over 9mm in the case of having to scrounge if delayed and having to fight it out along the way. Such a reliable and robust system. One of the staff will drive, that way you can help navigate, communicate, and have a better management of situational awareness and dealing with the rest of the principals. IF there is secondary protection agents in tow, give them the MP5 to use. IF by some chance one of the dignitary staff does have basic military training background (it's Russia, mandatory 1 year conscripted service for most people so very likely), give them the AK to use in an emergency as they may have basic familiarization with it, and use the MP5 if it is a simple exfil to the airport and there isn't much delay. Either way, I'd be tossing both cases/ platforms into the bus just in case. And as the MP5 has such little recoil, the injured Intel Agent could probably use it supported w/sling and braced on something or out the windown of the vic in a last resort one-handed, and keep the Makarov as a backup.
MP5. The red dot for faster sight acquisition in a moving vehicle. A light for illumination through checkpoints. 4 position burst/auto trigger group. fighting distance probs 0-50 meters. The AK loses velocity with the short barrel, not to mention the concussion when firing, maximizing the disorientation, and the extra range doesn’t matter. Not staying to fight it out, but moving and shooting your way through checkpoints to get to the airport. 9mm doesn’t have the velocity compared to 5.45, but coming out of an SBR, I would want 9mm for penetration and the likelihood of the round not fragmenting when going through objects, unlike the 5.45.
Wow, first comment on a 9holereviews video! MP5 all the way. The collapsing stock is easier to maneuver around a car than a folding one due to lower footprint and less chance of snags. The red dot will make it easier to fire from the car with the stock collapsed, as getting a good sight picture with the shitty iron sights on the AK with the stock folded would be extremely difficult and make follow up shots much harder to take. This is doubly true if I get wounded and one of the diplomats has to take and use my gun as red dots are way easier for an inexperienced user to use effectively than iron sights. Reloads would also be much easier on the MP5 without the stock getting in the way. Finally, the 9mm + roller delayed action of the MP5 = far less recoil when shooting and lower concussive force inside the car if I have to shoot from inside the vehicle. Flashlight might also come in handy too. Since we’re going to be exfiling by car and driving through a city, I don’t anticipate getting in any longer range engagements and so the greater capabilities of the 5.45 cartridge at longer range would likely provide little benefit in this situation. TL;DR: I’d take the gun that was designed for CQB and shooting from confined spaces like a vehicle over a gun which basically consisted of taking a 5.45 assault rifle, cutting down the barrel, and adding a folding stock (ok well bit really “adding” per se since the AKS-74 also had a folding stock but you get the point). HK all day baby!
Again you aren't an "inexperienced user", the 74 is probably the weapon you've carried for years while on embassy detail, the MP5 is probably the oddity to you.
@@StrainXv It comes down to the sights for me. I've used the AKSU, and they're abysmal. Also, the mags and gun are more compact. I can carry more ammo with less bulk.
@@StrainXv The video seems to say that the embassy security staff (including, I assume, you) used the MP5s and trained up on them, so inexperience with the platform likely wouldn't be an issue. The "inexperienced user" I was referring to, however, wasn't 'me', it was an untrained diplomat who might have to use my gun if I got wounded badly enough that I couldn't fight. For an untrained diplomat who may not have ever fired a gun in his life, the red dot and the fact that the MP5 is a softer shooting platform would make it easier to use than an AKs74u.
This is a hard pick, I was on wps in kabul. I would like the extra firepower of the sbr, but the force multipliers on the mp5 I think would make it a better choice. I still would pick the сучка. Make sure you let Vlad know we appreciate his work here in the states.
Excellent matchup for the scenario. Either go with the MP5 for faster aiming, easier full auto/burst control, and a light in case the mission extends into the evening. Or the AKS-74U with longer range capability and better penetration for punching through vehicle doors/glass (guessing 7N6 ammo or similiar). Cheers Henry, will be interesting to see what people have to say on this scenario.
Definitely interested in watching this. AKS-74U is so badass and such a cool compact sub carbine. Brings a lot of firepower to a firefight. But I think the MP5A3 with aimpoint/light is the more practical and realistic choice. Those are good accessories to have when doing CQB/MOUT operations and in day or nighttime situations. I'd make one Russian Diplomat riding shotgun or rear passenger carry the AKS-74U as a last resort. I'd carry the MP5 since I have training on the MP5 and being able effectively utilize the red dot and light.
From a familiarity standpoint, I would go with the mp5 any day of the week. If we're looking from the perspective of a Russian security agent, the mp5 still makes more sense. Considering we're the only one who can effectively use the firearm, one of the diplomats would probably be driving, leaving you to sit passenger. The mp5 is more controllable and much softer on the ears, especially from within a vehicle. The Aimpoint would also allow faster and easier target acquisition, even more so in a low light setting. The clip at the end leads me to think this may be happening in the late evening as well so even more reason the Aimpoint would help. The firepower advantage of the aks would be negligible as any engagement would likely mean mission failure since we would be outgunned in almost any scenario here. The best option I could see would be to have the driver move fast and don't stop for anything and if you can help it, don't engage unless absolutely needed. It may also be worth having the passengers keep their heads down so you don't look like a van full of foreigners.
Damn Henry... you got me there.... I would probably go for an MP5 as I would be able to carry a little more ammo and be a little more accurate with it.... but I am really less than sure about my choice. AKS74U looks also pretty ready for this game...
That's a hard choice. I want the light and the optic, but the increased effective range and ballistics of the 74 are hard to argue with. Not to mention the likelihood that most of the people with me have had experience with the AK platform. I'd have to go with the 74 if I'm playing by the Pick One rules, but I'd be really unhappy to leave the force multipliers behind. Or in this situation, I could choose the realistic third option and bring both since we're expecting to move via vehicle rather than on foot. The weight wouldn't be an issue and since both guns are so small, the extra space taken up by them isn't a problem either.
I would chose the AK-74u, because of these important details. As a Russian Security Officer, the AK platform would be the one I am the most trained and confident in. In an escort setting I would unlikely need the WML as I am not room clearing and have quite a few hours of daylight to preform the mission, and the optic isn't necessary when you are well trained in Kalashnikov irons. Another important factor is not standing out, an AK would standout far less than an MP5 would regardless of your uniform. Also 5.45 rounds seem to be far more available than 9mm. Range is also an important factor, from what US troops and USSR troops have experienced, many of these guerrillas would rather engage at long distance
Honestly i'd take the MP5 because of sound and concussion inside and around a vehicle with the diplomats (especially given one of them is heavily injured)
Working with the information that the mp5 is the one we’ve had on inventory for some time now and has been in the armoury as well I’m taking the mp5. 9mm is more than sufficient for unarmored individuals and is likely in top shape as the security teams have been taking a liking to it. Also the knowledge that any shooting is likely to draw unwanted attention I’d rather have the tools (flashlight and optics) to make taking those shots an informed and efficient process. We’re not likely to lay super low with a convoy on the move, but id rather not have to expose the exact nature too soon if I can help it. Also remembering your test of the 74u it’s practical accuracy is that of a long gun so I a Russian security officer would likely know that as well and pick based on utility for fighting from vehicle over potential range engagements. So tldr MP5 > AKs-74u
again, you aren't looking at the situation, in this scenario you are a Russian Embassy security officer, not your present day self. Also the factor of this, you probably pulled it off some Mujh and it wouldn't be in the best shape nor would there be large amounts of ammo for it.
I agree on mp5, the presenter said embassy staff had trained on mp5 already. Plus, a rifle cartridge fired inside a vehicle is unbearable. 9mm is the way to go. Everyone will be guns up, on target, with low recoil and good maneuverability
I don't think I would have to face anyone wearing body armour, so I believe hitting the combatant as fast and as accurately as possible is the priority. Therefore my initial choice would be the MP5 with the red dot, since I, personally, have a lot more experience using a red dot rather than mechanical sights. Also, the lower recoil would help in keeping the sights on the target. But that's me. If we add the viewpoint highlighted by Ian in the last Pick One, I probably have a lot more training with the AK platform. That would mean that I personally feel more confident in using the AKs-74u, rather than MP5. Considering the situation, a prolonged firefight would still probably end up badly no matter what gun I choose. If convoy stops, we're outgunned and out in the open or at least where the enemy wants us to be. So I would pick the AK. I know how it works, I know how to work it, it is a bit lighter and, if push comes to shove and we have to push on on foot and stay there longer, I know I can find ammo somewhat easy. Or maintain it during this period.
This is a tough choice. Easily the hardest question you've posed! Benefits to the MP5 - Lower recoil, not as loud, optics, and flash light (I don't think the time of day was given so if it's at night this is a big plus for target ID) Cons: Limited penetration in vehicles, heavier Benefits to the AK74SU - Better penetration with barriers, lighter Cons: MUCH louder, terrible iron sights It's a tough choice, but I think for me the edge goes to the MP5. I absolutely hate the krinkov sights and lighting off a 5.45 from krinkov in a car is like setting off a flash bang. I'm not worried about combatants wearing body armor, and I personally am confident with an MP5 out to 200 yards with a red dot. However, If the krinkov had an optic, I would have gone with that instead.
Brief cases, ammo + bus... take it all.... But per the scenario, AKs74u. Training time, plus being a more common looking weapon lends to blending in a little better. If the “traitor” is not to injured, having him drive as he is more natural to the environment(knowing the behaviors and areas). If he is to injured to be able to drive, have him as a spotter(copilot) to translate the tensions of the areas and point out any possible problems. Best case scenario is hiding in plain sight; worst case is urban ambushes targeting you. Best to look like any other militants going for a chance of taking the plane.
As much as gamer geared this MP5, I would take AK. Few reasons: - Firepower. If it will come down to lay down suppressive fire, AK would be able to reach further and hit harder and penetrate light cover. - Ammunition. Common around this areas, easier to come by. Loot from enemy forces or resupply from allied forces. - Manual of arms. As we were discussing at Episode 2, fair point was that you will be better with gear you have more practice time on. I think the more interesting option to counter AK pick would be something like M4 carbine with all the gamer gear and plenty of ammunition.
In this situation, there are several things that lead me to make my decision. They are ubiquity, ease of use, familiarity to the manual at arms, accessory compatibility and ammunition commonality. To this end, I choose the AKS74u. The overall silhouette and shape of the weapon lends it to blending in a bit better in the AO. In addition, I am partial to the fact that the AK platform is very straightforward and that every Russian citizen/Embassy staff member who is at the Embassy has most likely done their mandatory service and are familiar with the manual at arms of the platform, having not really changed in the last 45 years. Next we can consider that should we end up in contact at some point or another, any friendly forces in the area can aid us with spare mags of ammo, or even just ammo without any chambering issues.
MP5 based on the info given. 1. Two suitcases with ample ammunition. A suitcase can hold more 9mm than 5.45. 2. The other guy has a makarov. If he runs out of ammo, he can always go to the suitcase to get more. 3. Priority is to get from point A to point B, not look for a fight. MP5 has better "spray & pray" control, plus we dont know what time of day this is happening nor how long it may take to get to the destination.
Realistically i think I'd throw both of them on the bus, but seeing as its a stipulation to "pick one" for this scenario I think I would have to go with the AKs74...Reasoning being. 1) it has more effective range, higher velocity and better ballistics than the MP5, I'm not 100% sure but I think the magazines probably have slightly more capacity. 2) seeing as we may possibly be ambushed in an open area on the way to the airport I would want all the potential "effective range" I could get, and being a soviet and having been trained and more experienced on the platform I would be more familiar to its operation and better at accounting for hold over/under for distance than the MP5 if caught out in the open. 3) when we get to the airport has it been completely secured? or are we fighting our way to just a secured runway? AK is just as small as the MP5 so would be fine for CQB if the role was required for it, and again, an airport with lots of open long flat concrete area's with little to no cover if it wasn't secure I'd want something with more than 200m of range....so to me AK all day.
The Mp5 would for sure be me pick because an aimpoint would make quick shots easier in forseen ambushes, the light would be of great assistance and night, and the minimal concussion along with the a3 stock makes it perfect for vehicle born use
I'd grab the AKs74u, 5.45 is a superior cartridge to 9mm, I'd imagine range and terminal ballistics is pretty important in that type of situation. Plus there is likely a lot more ammunition and magazines available for it compared to the MP5. Really looking forward to part 2 of this video with an expert analysis :)
Your guests are just getting better and better. Gun Jesus is hard to top but Vladimir Onokoy? I honestly can't wait for what he has to say about it, I have a passing suspicion that he'll pick the AK, being the Kalashnikov Media face and all, but the insight alone he will provide will be second to none. Loved his worst AK series, he's seen it all. Btw, as a real armchair gun expert, I'm picking the AK because of the character's possible training (using an AK will be like an arm extention, no matter the ergonomics) and the 5.45 just having better penetration and ballistics than the 9mm, penetrating cars and being able to effectively punch out to 150m or so should the need arise.
MP5, optics and illumination, invaluable at night. As far as the AK goes, well, as Sergeant Major Plumley said "If the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."
AS far as i know, in cccp you had to serve in the army to beome a pediatrician Md. So think a member of the diplomatic corps also served. I would take the Aksu for myself. All reason already mentioned. For a Spetsnaz the AK ist as familiar as a his right arm. I would give one diplo the mp5 (seriously? Why take only one of the two weapons?) And another would get my makarov. The wounded Intel guy with his makarov. A third diplomat would drive like he'll and we all sent out our prayers to Stalin.
I feel like the circumstances of the evac and evac route are important here. Time of day and expected engagement distance are deciding factors. If it's at night, the light and red dot make the MP5 really attractive, but its effect at range will be less than that of the AK, assuming a skilled shooter who is used to the AK's subpar sights. Then again, a night-time exfil would probably mean shorter engagement distances since neither you nor the enemy would be able to easily ID targets at range, so the MP5 may be ballistically adequate, especially given how controllable it is. If its daytime, AK all the way. You won't need a light and the irons aren't great but the additional power and flatter trajectory is worth it.
MP5 because of the setup. Flashlight to PID in the dark and a reliable Aimpoint optic. However I’d snag the sling from the AK74u for another necessary attachment.
Great question. Id always typically go with firepower and the AK, but having the MP5 with the aimpoint and light for night time urban environment operations would be the way I would go. Positive target ID and aiming in the dark would give it the edge for me. Plus the acoustic shock from possibly shooting the AK 74 from inside a vehicle would be a problem for myself and my team.
I would go for the Mp5 only because it has a light. The dot is just icing on the cake at that point. The bigger issue I find is that regardless of which weapon we choose we are still wildly undermanned and undergunned. A lone chief of security officer and a wounded Makarov wielding intelligence agent up against who knows what out in the city. There’s entire squads out there full of ak’s, pkms, rpgs, and whatnot. Other than having to move through the city in that bus and possibly dismounting that bus for whatever reason. Is the airfield out in a long stretch of rural land? At least with a dot attached there might be a possibility of being able to quickly walk shots close to targets 100 meters and out. With those AK sights they’re just so... in the way of watching were shots land. My main problem with figuring out this scenario is trying not to drive/walk 11 civilians into their deaths. At least with one flashlight we might be able to move better under the cover of darkness if we use the flashlight very very sparingly. And the dot is much easier to use than irons in dark environments. And it doesn’t have to be nighttime. It could be midday or we might find ourselves in a darkened building we have to move through. I’m very excited to find out how this story had gone down and I hope that everyone had made it out alright.
I think the MP5, the aimpoint is a distinct advantage in low light and I think the ballistics advantage of the AK is overblown. Your mo is move fast and quiet, only engage if absolutely necessary and likely then your main aim will be suppression so that your driver can keep moving, if you get into the type of firefight where you need the extra ballistics of the 5.45 it's probably already over. Hope like hell that your driver knows how to pedal.
Considering that it is eaiser to pick up targets with a red dot particulallrly when moving im leaning towards the mp5. However the extra velocity of the 5.45x39 does equate to more solid hits in target and considering shooting should be considered tertiary to avoiding conflict in order to get your group to evac I think the AK74U is the right choice. After all you dont want this to devolve into a soviet Mogadishu incident
This is the 1990s that old-school light is pushing like 65 lumens tops so it won't be that helpful in the streets to push past photonic barriers for PID at night/early morning. We're escaping in a vic so being chased by other vehicles will probably happen. 5.45 intermediate barrier penetration for sure along with more standoff. Mobility is security all gas no breaks.
Krink without a doubt, aim point of that day wouldn’t be great compared to what we have now, and the 74 irons are are good enough for any kind of range you’d be engaging at with either gun, plus that 74 is probably supplied with 7n6 which would be far more lethal and wounding than 9mm ball
Aks74u -difference in ammo weight is negligible because we’re in a transport. -within urban distances iron sights should be fine - unironically: STOPPING POWER (or, at least, more lethality in 5.45) - familiarity with the system -it’s cool
MP5. The optic and light could come in handy, and it's got gentler recoil. I'll take it in a moving vehicle over the 5.45. We're not sticking around getting into protracted firefights with the locals when I've got a group of unarmed guys to protect.
This is a very interesting scenario The MP5 is a great SMG for its purpose, and can provide a great deal of firepower within its effective range. However, its effective range isn't particularly that far, you might be able to get it up to 200 yards, maybe more but 9mm can only do so much. However, the flashlight and red dot offer great versatility (even if they're not as good as modern options) but out in the open, the flashlight will be limited by range. Handling characteristics however gives it a solid edge and for me the MP5 is my favourite SMG for that reason. That said, the AKS74U in its bog standard configuration is both a love/hate relationship. The irons aren't particularly amazing but the carbine can still hit targets around 400y as shown by 9 Hole themselves. The short barrel does mean that the 5.45 takes a hit in performance but it's still offering more bang for buck, even if not by a huge margin. It's a bog standard AK in ergonomics so it's not going to win in the handling department. That said, it's an effective short ranged carbine that shouldn't be ignored. Even if you'll be blinding the feck out of everyone at night and blaring your ear drums. I'm sort of swayed more to the MP5 but having an all rounder like the AKS74U makes more sense. With the context provided, the 74U is my pick.
I don't see myself getting out of our Bus; It's basically our rolling paper castle now. I'm going to try and lay as low as possible on our trip to the airport so most likely we'd either be stopped by Muj on the road in an ambush (we're screwed), have Muj attack us while we're driving, or be attacked while stopped in traffic such as a possible checkpoint. I'm assuming there won't be a coordinated attack but they may have intel and plan something due to the high profile nature of the Russian jet arrival. Due to the nature of the threats and my familiarity as a Russian embassy security officer, I'd go AK74U. The 5.45 cartridge will be able to punch through Muj vehicles better, disable them better, and provide substantially more killing potential against impassioned Muj fighters. It's going to be hard enough trying to shoot at mounted Muj while my associate tries to drive evasivly if I do have to engage, so I want every bullet I fire to be as debilitating as possible.The red dot on the mp5 is an advantage but the 9mm cartirdge is just to big a trade off for the nature of our situation. I don't care about the flashlight as the 628 Surefire mounted on there is only 65 lumens and I'm driving on a road with tons of headlights so it doesn't really help me if things go dark.
If ammo availability is not a concern, then I would take the MP5. The Aimpoint is a combat multiplier, allowing faster target acquisition and engagement while also simultaneously increasing situational awareness. The flashlight doesnt really factor in, unless there is a probability of the evacuation happening in the cover of darkness.
You give the impression that the transport will be happening at night, but the 74 having more damage and possibly the enemies may be carrying them for extra rounds.
It's an interesting pair of options. Whilst I rate the MP5A3 as a better general weapon, I'd personally opt for the AK in this specific scenario for a few reasons. Firstly penetrative power. This is a scenario in which I see the ability to disable hostile vehicles as key. I'd rate an AKs74U as something more able to disable a technical by punching through and making a mess either of the mechanicals or the person driving it. Secondly noise. In most situations, you'd probably want the quieter and less conspicuous weapon, but in a scenario like this most combat will either be measured in seconds, or you're already dead. The shock value of the noise and flash of AKs74U in those first few seconds may just drive a few more heads down. And 5.45mm can still oblige the few nutty enough to want to die for their god, even if the stopping power is less than 9mm Thirdly, reliability. Whilst the MP5A3 is an exceptionally reliable weapon, it's not standard in this scenario. I'm more willing to bet my life on being able to keep a standard issue AK shooting over keeping the MP5A3 shooting. It's less about getting rounds on target as it is about putting rounds downrange in this scenario I think.
This is kind if tough from today's standpoint. However. Both have there good points. The MP5 has an optic and light. It's very accurate, but in 9mm is not as strong as some would like. The AKS-74U has just irons, but has rifle ammunition, more powerful than a 9mm. Now they both have adequate amount of ammunition, but I would say the 9mm is not as popular in the middle East and the AK, even though there is probably not that many AK - 74s running around. From a modern standpoint I would choose the MP5. Its nice to have well placed shots and to be able to identify your target in low light.
Tough one, since you mentioned driving to the evac zone. I'm not thinking I'd need to be clearing out buildings. As fending off other vehicles and ambush is a possibility I'll go for the ak for penetration of barrier and velocity, slow 9mm would be harder to aim for drop and windage while moving.
I would definitely take the AK. 1. It being what I train with. 2. It's ammo being common not only among my allies, but my enemies as well. 3. In a defensive position, I would not need a red dot to be effective however the light would be a bonus. 4. Going up against hostile forces in light technicals and AKs, I would hate to be in a bus but I would hate more not to have something that punches through doors or windshields better. 5. Kinetic energy of 5.45 just drops people faster and is less affected by distance. The MP5 is an extremely well designed and proven weapon and the advantages of the red dot and light cannot be understated, however at the time of my training and gear I would have to be able to effectively utilize the AKS-74U. I would take it without question.
I would go with the AK. While the increase concussion would be unpleasant in the extreme, I feel like it would be able to deal with soft-skinned technicals better and the additional range would be a massive bonus
I'm probably well-trained with the AKS, when in the same time, I'm discovering this MP5. The van is non-armored, so we must go fast. The Aimpoint should be a big help if I must shoot while moving. I don't see any interest having this light, specially if it's during daytime. It's harder to pick one this time than the last scenario. I think I would pick the AKS.
Definitely the MP5. The optics and light are certainly nice, but for me the big difference would be the ergonomics and ease of handling. The difference in velocity and muzzle energy is interesting, but the fact that the U version of the AKS has an 8" barrel pretty much squanders just about all of the benefit in having a rifle round. Watch the 9-hole review on the Krinkov for evidence of that.
Already chose one in the poll, but in this scenario the ideal choice is not a submachine gun or a carbine. It is a PKM with a substantial amount of ammunition.
MP5 is an excellent firearm for security forces but if I were to be in an actual warzone I'd much prefer the AK74. The power that 5.45 has would be a huge advantage that 9mm doesn't have.
But the mp5 has a light and an optic which could help in different scenarios
I think you're bang on, but I got a feeling this is gonna be an interesting next vid.
5.45 out of an 8 inch barrel is pretty trash
@@kennetic9196 did you see them shooting the Aku?
@@kellen4671 Range, and a aimpoint isn't going to help you out that much with 9mm, also the AK's sights aren't that bad.
Unexpectadly this story hit close to my hurt. My father was on one of those last planes - spend six years working in UN mission in Kabul. Will send a link to this video to him and call tomorrow to talk about that day.
if you can get him to record a short video and somehow send it to us, it would be incredible to hear his point of view! 9holereviews@gmail.com
Unfortunately video will be impossible - he is 83 years old and lives in Ukraine. With current Covid 19 situation there I would not risk sending any of my friends to record it . Will chat with him about that day and if there is something interesting will write his story and send it to you.
@@korablov Please do, it is an incredible opportunity. Здоровья вашему отцу и долгих лет жизни!
@@machaksilver 100% agree, it would add a great value to our gun community.
@@9HoleReviews Ok, here is his recollection of those events: Main evacuation of the embassy personnel and diplomats from other diplomatic organizations was conducted on April 12 1991. Three planes was sent to move these people from the country. That time Kabul was still under control of governmental / Masoud's forces. It was relatively safe and trip from the embassy compound to the airport went without any troubles. My father was part of this evacuation. Around 120 embassy personnel was ordered to stay, 10 women were among them. Embassy detail and some number of paratroopers were providing security to the embassy compound, he does not know how many of them were there.
Street fights started one week after main evacuation took place. Evacuation of remaining personnel and security detail was ordered in June 1991. Two planes were sent to bring these people home. Only one managed to land, the other one was shut down during landing approach (Kabul airport is located in the valley and planes have to make three loops above Kabul in order to reduce altitude or gain if they are leaving, during this time they are extremely vulnerable). Part of people was evacuated on the remaining plane, the other part was moved by buses to USSR under protection of Masoud's fighters.
By the way, all civilians stationed in Kabul (regardless diplomatic status) were provided with handguns, AK and I remember one of my father's colleges quick remark that he has a crate of grenades stashed under his bed, so would not be surprised that this was not an uncommon case.
The correct answer is" doesnt matter" in a thin skin vehicle trying to get staff to a exfil, you dont shoot back you just drive and hope like hell you dont get hit. If you get in a firefight you will lose.
I broadly agree, with one notable exception: impromptu mujahideen roadblocks.
that's pretty much been the situation in all of these scenario's so far. Going along with the premise, you still want to have a gun rather than not.
@@Themayseffect didnt mean to not take a weapon if offered or both if thats an option. But just a broad term. Many people have been discussing caliber and ranges, just thought i would include some reality.
@@potNutssame plan would still apply, if you get into a shootout you're dead, you would be better off to avoid. With wounded(especially if he is non abulatory) and non combatants in tow your not going to be able to navigate on foot in a series of running gun battles. The vehicle is the most important tool you have. If it is shot up you stand out like a sore thumb and you will have more wounded to care for. If the vehicle is shot and becomes non operational you again become a sitting duck. One person (unless your john wick and there is a camera crew there) wont fight through a roadblock under the circumstances.
@@JohnSmith-bf1sq there are other attributes to consider outside of its power. One is access to ammo. Another is conceal-ability.
These always feel like im playing Dungeons and Dragons, Tactical Edition lmfao. I choose AKs.
Would go with the AK, 5.45 in a package essentially the same size as the MP5 seals the deal for me
I think everyone will choose ak74SU for ballistic purposes but if you are more versed with an MP5 you will be more effective wielding MP5 than ak. Also, if this is a night time operation having a light is not a bad idea either.
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@@702flyguy It says that the mission starts at early dawn
@@702flyguy I wonder if using that light as you are running and gunning thru downtown Kabul would be more of an advertisement to "shoot me" than an shooting aid.
@@briantanner1068 You're not supposed to use the light on for more than a long flash/few seconds. Ideally you want to be just flashing it and identifying what you can see in the flash which also might help disorient the enemy
I like the Russian radio traffic at the end, nice touch there.
I feel this scenario should be set in the Ebolian embassy.
@@guyk2260 sometimes autocomplete is not your friend... Something felt wrong, thanks for the correct!
Ebonia would have had a choice of Uzis or Vz61 Skorpions.
@@briantanner1068 you wish, in Ebonia you would have a choice of a Mauser 98 chambered in 7mm Mauser with a supply of 30.06 ammo or a 8mm Nambu with a supply of 8mm Mauser ammo.
It's Elbonia. You all bring great disrespect to the great Elbonia.
We have Ebonians as well as Elbonians now? Man, how many fictitious Dilbert countries are there?
In this scenario I can see no real advantage for the MP5. The aimpoint and light are major advantages in cqb and as personnel defense IN the embassy, but the situation has changed. The added capabilities of the 5.45 caliber in a war zone in a situation where you may have to engage in roadways with potentially anywhere from 10s to 100s of meters means even with the short barrel, the rifle holds a distinctive advantage.
The weapons are otherwise not different enough in my perspective, nor manual of arms, to make a difference in my opinion. The caliber alone makes this decision for me.
and a better chance of having access to more ammo ...
The only advantage to the mp5 that I can think of is if you are sitting in the passenger seat next to the driver, shooting the ak inside the vehicle is probably going to disorient your driver. I could see someone choosing the mp5 if you are prioritizing speed and using the gun just to suppress assailants while your driver gets you out of the situation.
Tony Webb it doesn't get much more close qtrs than inside a vehicle trying to get shots off . Have you ever fired a weapon inside a vehicle? Incredibly loud .
That is so cool. I'm actually Russian. For a long time I've followed Vladimir Onokoy on social media and wondered, when he collaborates with English speaking youtubers to represent our country. Finally, this day has come. I'm sure this will be cool, because Vladimir has perfect English skills and extensive knowledge of Russian gun industry.
The AK, by a lot.
Not much of a weight difference but a huge increase in effectiveness.
And as a Russian security officer, I certainly have an ample amount of trigger time on the platform
Ak all the way , this is a no brainer specially in a war zone .
Everyone seems to forget that your training as a Russian Security Officer is of massive importance. In my opinion, you will not need the aimpoint nor the light either, you aren't doing any room clearing and you've trained with irons. Plus, ammo is relatively more available. And agreed not standing out is the most important aspect of this mission
@@nicolaspohl5470 much easier to shoot with a dot than irons
Why not take the mp5 and grab a rifle length ak74 from a body or friendly.
If I’m at a Russian embassy I gotta represent the red white n blue stripes baybee, 5.45 it is
Definitely got to go with the 74 on this just for the sake of 7n6 over standard 9mm ball ammo.
If they were security at an embassy in Kabul it wouldn't be far-fetched to believe they even had 7N6M in those 74's. Probably not the 7N10 since it was introduced in 1992.
Give me that old time religion. This is one of a few specific incidents where I would choose an AK. A Soviet Security Officer is going to be almost instinctual in his use of an AK, no matter how much he has played/trained with the MP5. The technological add ons afforded the MP5, the red dot and flashlight, are not enough to over ride his primary training and affinity for the AK. Make it a US Security officer in Tehran make it anXM177 or that MP5 and it MIGHT be different, but I would still bet on the XM177.
The supposed advantages of the MP5 are negated by the situation. The red dot is the only useful thing, and AK-style sights are still very usable in low light. You can't use the light or you'll just light yourself up like a Christmas tree; lights are only useful if you're on the offensive and have tactical advantage. The MP5 is actually less controllable in full-auto than an AKS-74U. AND it's less able to penetrate barriers like cars. It's the objectively inferior choice. Really, in this situation, the AK is the only choice. There are many reasons why SMGs are effectively extinct on the modern battlefield, and this is a prime example.
@@WardenWolf MP5 is highly controllable in full auto, not sure what you're talking about
@@ClitoridectomyGroyper Yeah, the AKS-74U may be the better choice, but not because of full auto controllability. Shooting the MP5 full auto is like using cheat codes, and I doubt much of anything is more controllable.
@@WardenWolf as soon you said the mp5 is LESS controllable than an aks, you lost all credibility lmfao. So full of shit
Dude, these videos are awesome!! Thank you for your work .
More wars during the cold war is interesting, and it shows how strong the USSR really was at the time.
If that "on the way to the airport" darkness shown is what's going on the MP5 would seem to take it, otherwise the (assumed) more familiar AK.
Definitely the most interesting pick 1 so far, looking forward to the debate!
The mission starts at early dawn
I'm going to have to ponder on this one. But if it's '92, the Aimpoint and light wont be nearly as robust and powerful as we're used to today. I don't know how long a drive it is or if it's going to stretch into the night. No promises were made to me about the condition of the batteries either. Initially I'm leaning toward the AK as the more effective weapon that will also look and sound more similar to background noise in the area. If we're stopped, nobody will ask about the AK and it might not blow cover but the MP5 is an attention getter.
@W J Aimpoint optics in ‘92 had a battery life of what, 300 hours?
@W J I don't know, man. Looking at Aimpoint's discontinued models, and being set in '93, it's probably the 2000, 3000 or 5000 model. Assuming the newest, nicest model and saying it's the 5000, I'm finding battery life of between 250 and 500 hours. That's great, but I still don't know the state of it. Are 1/3N 3v batteries easily replaced in Kabul while this thing was in inventory? It's a valid consideration.
I can't decide either. Not knowing what time of day and how long the drive is expected to be time wise is really messing with the considerations for me. If the run can be expected to end by dusk, the AK. If it will go into the night, the MP-5. Having our "cover" blown by the weapon choice I see as a non-consideration due to the likely ethnic make-up of the group and convoy size. If the convoy gets stopped, the op has already gone sideways.
From the description (may have been updated since my reply) : "[This is an early dawn extraction.]"
AK it is.
Here's the deal: you're extracting through a darkened hostile city. You're going to be surrounded and outnumbered. Enemy vehicles may be involved. In that situation, a light will just draw attention to you from another angle, and you need to be able to punch through vehicles. Also, an AKS-74U is actually MORE controllable in full-auto than an MP5. The AK is absolutely the right choice here.
I feel like Henry would be a FANTASTIC DM.
Hands down for the AK, the best devastating round, greetings from Texas!!!
Would go with the MP5 (for the easier handling, the light and of course the aimpoint - way easier to handle for a civilian)
Vladimir is a great guy - love his videos
You'd think the AK would be the primo option here, but I got a feeling we are going to be surprised. Can't wait to for the next episode.
Always admired Masoud. A natural leader. A fierce warrior. His death, at the hands of the Taliban, was a sad day...for peace, justice and myself.
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Here is the answer that my father, who is a retired 18B, gave me after showing him the video.
"That's crazy, I have been to that russian building. The building I was living in at kabul airport was a kgb torture facility it had metal rings in the back room in the floor."
"I'm taking the MP5, it's more accurate. One shot one kill mentality. Think black hawk down situation"
"You have a suitcase full of 9mm ammo, if I didn't have that then I would pick the AK so I had the option of battle field recovery."
"But like I said, suitcase of 9mm. I'm taking the mp5 for accuracy if you get over run or hit by a V shaped ambush your f*cked anyway so well placed rounds count. Mp5"
"By the way either of those in a situation like that are like for when the bus breaks and it's close quarter. It's not like you gonna be gunning mfers zipping down the road like some hero."
"Also sure the mp5 has a 3 round burst, not sure if AK74 does."
This is a tough one. The force multipliers on the MP5 definitely have value in unpredictable situations, however the 74U has the edge in range and ammunition compatibility with what is currently available. For that reason, I would go with the 74U, but it would be a close one.
Add that the diplomats likely had weapons training with AKs in school
AKs74u, which offers good range and power, plus the ammo is easier to access in that place.
You know it, but I`m going to mention, this particular video had been awaited by the public. thank you
Alot of people have made great points in favour of the 74u and I've gotta say I agree. The flashlight and aimpoint are as much points of failure as they are advantages, and at this point in time wouldn't be nearly as advanced or sturdy as modern counterparts, while the 74u seems to have a sling attached. Making transportation easier without sacrificing a hand to carry or risk putting it down for tasks that require two hands
The user in question would've had all his basic training and significant experience on the ak platform and under stress would revert to this no matter how much he's played with the mp-5
While both rifles come with "ample" of ammunition, spare 5.45mm is going to be far easier to come across than 9mm (checking under the seats of those Gaz/Ural trucks should yield at least a handful), and there's always a risk (especially in the dark and/or under stress) you could mix up the 9mm parabellum with the 9mm makarov in use with the int. Officer, stranger things have happened and results could be unpleasant.
In addition to technical aspects there's also political, any pictures of the user carrying a western weapon leaking to world media would be an embarrassment even for post Soviet Russia, possibly career ending (or worse), at the very least would result in some awkward questions being asked of you as to where you aquired it ect, questions better avoided.
Love those pick one videos ;
One thing I want to suggest is to always add one question besides 'pick one' : your ideal setup for same scenario, like you can have any small arm you wish.
You could also ask this t your guests, pick one AND describe your 'perfect' setup.
Cheers keep up good work ;
AK-74: Local resupply (mags and ammo) readily available. MP-5 may or may not have been maintained.
Diplomats are likely to have had some familiarity with AK platforms.
Good points but 5.45 wasn't as common in Afghanistan at that time
Didn't he say they have no weapons training?
@@goodluck2119 he did, minus the one injured Intel guy who can only wield a makarov
Plus didn't he say the security staff was training with that thing. So it's 100% maintained
@@goodluck2119 (This is a POF made MP5 that was captured by a Spetsnaz team years before that ended up with the embassy security staff when they could not return to Russia after mission, so the embassy security staff have been training on it and putting it to their own use)
I'd take the MP5. The light and red dot would be indispensible in low light (as would the reduced muzzle flash vs. the Krink). Also, my mission is to get the convoy of civilians to the airfield safely; if I'm shooting it's not to kill the enemy so much as it's to suppress him so we can "get off the X" (that's a tactical way of saying "keep driving"). I'm not taking aimed shots from a speeding bus, but bursts might be quite viable and the 9mm SMG would shine there, especially if I didn't have to line up notch-and-post iron sights but had a RDS instead. I'd also hate to deal with the muzzle blast from the Krink inside the confines of a vehicle and such could also be very disconcerting to civilians who are already frightened by the whole situation and may have little or no exposure to the sound of gunshots, causing them to panic or lose hearing at a critical time.
The Krink's only advantage here is ballistics, which are sort of nerfed by its short barrel length anyway. Besides, if the 9mm ammo is Russian then it's probably +P+++ and the projectile made of plutonium and AIDS which would close the gap even further.
First priority is the safety of your passengers, so avoiding contact is your best option. Shemaughs for everyone. I'm gonna assume a few things about the person from the staff I pick as a driver: they know the streets between the embassy and the airport, they have an idea where the "good mujahedeen" vs the bad ones are, and they've done a tour as a driver in New York or Paris where they learned to drive aggressively. I choose my driver before I choose my firearm. The wounded intelligence officer with the Makarov sits behind the senior staff, not as a bodyguard, but to insure they are not captured, tortured, and paraded thru Afghanistan. That is all that Mak is good for at this point. I will assume "ample ammunition" means a gross of fully loaded mags, so the person sitting behind me has the job of handing me mags- or a reloaded AK74SU, if we have a spare. Red dot sight will be marginal help if I am shooting on the move, and I will always be doing that. Once the shooting starts, the van does not stop until it is surrounded by desantniki. The flashlight verses the headlights on the van, match on a fire. If I'm shooting to the side, it will be at muzzle flashes; shooting behind means shooting thru the back window because I can't turn in the window to do anything more than suppressing or harassing fire. Shooting over open sites allows me greater situational awareness than focusing on a single target thru a sight. Add familiarity with the AK family since I was in Communist Youth Programs and I'm picking the AK74SU. It would just feel like a part of me when I, Comrade Embassy Security Officer, handle it.
Honestly reading the comments I see the pros and cons. When using a weapon in a high stress situation, I believe that the weapon you've been using for 90% of your career is the best weapon to take, even with the training that was done on the mp5 in the scenario. Besides that the precision shooting out of a moving vehicle argument isn't a great one as if you're driving at high speeds it's about making what hits you can and the more powerful cartridge has a better chance of causing serious damage. So to my mind the power as well as being able to blend in if given the chance makes the AK a better choice. Anything that causes doubt in an aggressor gives you split seconds to be first to take whatever action you think is appropriate. So I believe although the 9mm weapon is great and has been used by many top tier military units the AK is better for this specific situation and person using it in the scenario because of the experience that the person has with the weapon probably in other high stress situations. As a side note: The sound of an AK if there is still fighting going on in the city is less likely to attract attention as the sound would likely blend with the rest of the gun fire as I assume that the forces in the area would also have the same AK style of rifle.
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I'd love to hear the rest of the story that this is based on.
74u ALL day boi!
I left all my Mp5’s at the Nakitomi Plaza when I was 7 and didn’t understand that a rifle is NEVER a bad answer.
It's a bit of a stretch to regard the 74u as a rifle, it's chambered for a rifle cartridge but you've lost a lot of the performance. If this was a choice between a battle rifle and an mp5 the decision is easy, prone the diplomats and go ham.
Mp5 for three reasons
1) the flashlight is a major bonus. I would expect the need to move at night, and having a flashlight easily available could make a huge difference.
2) Shooting inside a vehicle. There is the potential to gave to discharge the firearm inside a vehicle around people unfamiliar with how loud that is. The last thing I want to have happen is for me to neutralize one threat just to have someone run from the vehicle because they think a bomb went off. A short barrel rifle discharging in a confined space could cause that.
3) recoil. I am willing to bet that as a security officer in a foreign country that I am not spending much time at the range. Because of that, going for the gun with the least recoil to allow me faster follow up shots makes sense.
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Couple of questions:
- Are there other Protection Officers/Agents in the detail? What other protection contingent is there at the Embassy that would be locking down the buildings and accompanying the escort?
- Are there direct open and clear routes from the embassy to the airport, or will evasion and a "long way 'round" need to be undertaken in consideration? And if so, which zones are Masoud- influenced and more likely to allow passage?
- *And with that, how much currency is available or items that can be traded for access/ egress is available in the case of encountering a roadblock (or multiple ones) and having to bribe your way through?
Aks74u, hands down. The slower rate of fire than the MP5 will also help conserve ammo, apart from the better range capabilities and better penetrating/ damage power aspects of the 5.45 round. It's just as compact and great for PSD/EP type work and in vehicles (and is still commonly used in that theater for such). May also be more likely to come across ammo for it over 9mm in the case of having to scrounge if delayed and having to fight it out along the way. Such a reliable and robust system.
One of the staff will drive, that way you can help navigate, communicate, and have a better management of situational awareness and dealing with the rest of the principals.
IF there is secondary protection agents in tow, give them the MP5 to use.
IF by some chance one of the dignitary staff does have basic military training background (it's Russia, mandatory 1 year conscripted service for most people so very likely), give them the AK to use in an emergency as they may have basic familiarization with it, and use the MP5 if it is a simple exfil to the airport and there isn't much delay. Either way, I'd be tossing both cases/ platforms into the bus just in case. And as the MP5 has such little recoil, the injured Intel Agent could probably use it supported w/sling and braced on something or out the windown of the vic in a last resort one-handed, and keep the Makarov as a backup.
MP5. The red dot for faster sight acquisition in a moving vehicle. A light for illumination through checkpoints. 4 position burst/auto trigger group. fighting distance probs 0-50 meters. The AK loses velocity with the short barrel, not to mention the concussion when firing, maximizing the disorientation, and the extra range doesn’t matter. Not staying to fight it out, but moving and shooting your way through checkpoints to get to the airport. 9mm doesn’t have the velocity compared to 5.45, but coming out of an SBR, I would want 9mm for penetration and the likelihood of the round not fragmenting when going through objects, unlike the 5.45.
Wow, first comment on a 9holereviews video! MP5 all the way. The collapsing stock is easier to maneuver around a car than a folding one due to lower footprint and less chance of snags. The red dot will make it easier to fire from the car with the stock collapsed, as getting a good sight picture with the shitty iron sights on the AK with the stock folded would be extremely difficult and make follow up shots much harder to take. This is doubly true if I get wounded and one of the diplomats has to take and use my gun as red dots are way easier for an inexperienced user to use effectively than iron sights. Reloads would also be much easier on the MP5 without the stock getting in the way. Finally, the 9mm + roller delayed action of the MP5 = far less recoil when shooting and lower concussive force inside the car if I have to shoot from inside the vehicle. Flashlight might also come in handy too. Since we’re going to be exfiling by car and driving through a city, I don’t anticipate getting in any longer range engagements and so the greater capabilities of the 5.45 cartridge at longer range would likely provide little benefit in this situation.
TL;DR: I’d take the gun that was designed for CQB and shooting from confined spaces like a vehicle over a gun which basically consisted of taking a 5.45 assault rifle, cutting down the barrel, and adding a folding stock (ok well bit really “adding” per se since the AKS-74 also had a folding stock but you get the point). HK all day baby!
But what with long range attackers if your car get stuck in the traffic or get's blocked by a road block / some sort of barricade?
I agree, for all the same reasons
Again you aren't an "inexperienced user", the 74 is probably the weapon you've carried for years while on embassy detail, the MP5 is probably the oddity to you.
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It comes down to the sights for me. I've used the AKSU, and they're abysmal. Also, the mags and gun are more compact. I can carry more ammo with less bulk.
@@StrainXv The video seems to say that the embassy security staff (including, I assume, you) used the MP5s and trained up on them, so inexperience with the platform likely wouldn't be an issue. The "inexperienced user" I was referring to, however, wasn't 'me', it was an untrained diplomat who might have to use my gun if I got wounded badly enough that I couldn't fight. For an untrained diplomat who may not have ever fired a gun in his life, the red dot and the fact that the MP5 is a softer shooting platform would make it easier to use than an AKs74u.
This is a hard pick, I was on wps in kabul. I would like the extra firepower of the sbr, but the force multipliers on the mp5 I think would make it a better choice. I still would pick the сучка. Make sure you let Vlad know we appreciate his work here in the states.
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Excellent matchup for the scenario. Either go with the MP5 for faster aiming, easier full auto/burst control, and a light in case the mission extends into the evening. Or the AKS-74U with longer range capability and better penetration for punching through vehicle doors/glass (guessing 7N6 ammo or similiar). Cheers Henry, will be interesting to see what people have to say on this scenario.
Definitely interested in watching this. AKS-74U is so badass and such a cool compact sub carbine. Brings a lot of firepower to a firefight. But I think the MP5A3 with aimpoint/light is the more practical and realistic choice. Those are good accessories to have when doing CQB/MOUT operations and in day or nighttime situations. I'd make one Russian Diplomat riding shotgun or rear passenger carry the AKS-74U as a last resort. I'd carry the MP5 since I have training on the MP5 and being able effectively utilize the red dot and light.
From a familiarity standpoint, I would go with the mp5 any day of the week. If we're looking from the perspective of a Russian security agent, the mp5 still makes more sense. Considering we're the only one who can effectively use the firearm, one of the diplomats would probably be driving, leaving you to sit passenger. The mp5 is more controllable and much softer on the ears, especially from within a vehicle. The Aimpoint would also allow faster and easier target acquisition, even more so in a low light setting. The clip at the end leads me to think this may be happening in the late evening as well so even more reason the Aimpoint would help. The firepower advantage of the aks would be negligible as any engagement would likely mean mission failure since we would be outgunned in almost any scenario here. The best option I could see would be to have the driver move fast and don't stop for anything and if you can help it, don't engage unless absolutely needed. It may also be worth having the passengers keep their heads down so you don't look like a van full of foreigners.
Damn Henry... you got me there.... I would probably go for an MP5 as I would be able to carry a little more ammo and be a little more accurate with it.... but I am really less than sure about my choice. AKS74U looks also pretty ready for this game...
That's a hard choice. I want the light and the optic, but the increased effective range and ballistics of the 74 are hard to argue with. Not to mention the likelihood that most of the people with me have had experience with the AK platform. I'd have to go with the 74 if I'm playing by the Pick One rules, but I'd be really unhappy to leave the force multipliers behind. Or in this situation, I could choose the realistic third option and bring both since we're expecting to move via vehicle rather than on foot. The weight wouldn't be an issue and since both guns are so small, the extra space taken up by them isn't a problem either.
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I would chose the AK-74u, because of these important details. As a Russian Security Officer, the AK platform would be the one I am the most trained and confident in. In an escort setting I would unlikely need the WML as I am not room clearing and have quite a few hours of daylight to preform the mission, and the optic isn't necessary when you are well trained in Kalashnikov irons. Another important factor is not standing out, an AK would standout far less than an MP5 would regardless of your uniform. Also 5.45 rounds seem to be far more available than 9mm. Range is also an important factor, from what US troops and USSR troops have experienced, many of these guerrillas would rather engage at long distance
Honestly i'd take the MP5 because of sound and concussion inside and around a vehicle with the diplomats (especially given one of them is heavily injured)
Working with the information that the mp5 is the one we’ve had on inventory for some time now and has been in the armoury as well I’m taking the mp5. 9mm is more than sufficient for unarmored individuals and is likely in top shape as the security teams have been taking a liking to it. Also the knowledge that any shooting is likely to draw unwanted attention I’d rather have the tools (flashlight and optics) to make taking those shots an informed and efficient process. We’re not likely to lay super low with a convoy on the move, but id rather not have to expose the exact nature too soon if I can help it. Also remembering your test of the 74u it’s practical accuracy is that of a long gun so I a Russian security officer would likely know that as well and pick based on utility for fighting from vehicle over potential range engagements. So tldr MP5 > AKs-74u
again, you aren't looking at the situation, in this scenario you are a Russian Embassy security officer, not your present day self. Also the factor of this, you probably pulled it off some Mujh and it wouldn't be in the best shape nor would there be large amounts of ammo for it.
I agree on mp5, the presenter said embassy staff had trained on mp5 already. Plus, a rifle cartridge fired inside a vehicle is unbearable.
9mm is the way to go. Everyone will be guns up, on target, with low recoil and good maneuverability
I don't think I would have to face anyone wearing body armour, so I believe hitting the combatant as fast and as accurately as possible is the priority. Therefore my initial choice would be the MP5 with the red dot, since I, personally, have a lot more experience using a red dot rather than mechanical sights. Also, the lower recoil would help in keeping the sights on the target.
But that's me. If we add the viewpoint highlighted by Ian in the last Pick One, I probably have a lot more training with the AK platform. That would mean that I personally feel more confident in using the AKs-74u, rather than MP5.
Considering the situation, a prolonged firefight would still probably end up badly no matter what gun I choose. If convoy stops, we're outgunned and out in the open or at least where the enemy wants us to be. So I would pick the AK. I know how it works, I know how to work it, it is a bit lighter and, if push comes to shove and we have to push on on foot and stay there longer, I know I can find ammo somewhat easy. Or maintain it during this period.
The AK 74U, it's rugged it putts out a good rate of fire.
Both guns have a ROF of around 800 rounds/min though. The 5.45×39 mm is but way more powerful than the 9 mm Para.
This is a tough choice. Easily the hardest question you've posed!
Benefits to the MP5 - Lower recoil, not as loud, optics, and flash light (I don't think the time of day was given so if it's at night this is a big plus for target ID)
Cons: Limited penetration in vehicles, heavier
Benefits to the AK74SU - Better penetration with barriers, lighter
Cons: MUCH louder, terrible iron sights
It's a tough choice, but I think for me the edge goes to the MP5. I absolutely hate the krinkov sights and lighting off a 5.45 from krinkov in a car is like setting off a flash bang.
I'm not worried about combatants wearing body armor, and I personally am confident with an MP5 out to 200 yards with a red dot.
However, If the krinkov had an optic, I would have gone with that instead.
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So the light on the MP5 becomes less of a factor as time wears on.
Brief cases, ammo + bus... take it all....
But per the scenario, AKs74u. Training time, plus being a more common looking weapon lends to blending in a little better.
If the “traitor” is not to injured, having him drive as he is more natural to the environment(knowing the behaviors and areas).
If he is to injured to be able to drive, have him as a spotter(copilot) to translate the tensions of the areas and point out any possible problems.
Best case scenario is hiding in plain sight; worst case is urban ambushes targeting you. Best to look like any other militants going for a chance of taking the plane.
As much as gamer geared this MP5, I would take AK.
Few reasons:
- Firepower. If it will come down to lay down suppressive fire, AK would be able to reach further and hit harder and penetrate light cover.
- Ammunition. Common around this areas, easier to come by. Loot from enemy forces or resupply from allied forces.
- Manual of arms. As we were discussing at Episode 2, fair point was that you will be better with gear you have more practice time on.
I think the more interesting option to counter AK pick would be something like M4 carbine with all the gamer gear and plenty of ammunition.
In this situation, there are several things that lead me to make my decision. They are ubiquity, ease of use, familiarity to the manual at arms, accessory compatibility and ammunition commonality.
To this end, I choose the AKS74u.
The overall silhouette and shape of the weapon lends it to blending in a bit better in the AO. In addition, I am partial to the fact that the AK platform is very straightforward and that every Russian citizen/Embassy staff member who is at the Embassy has most likely done their mandatory service and are familiar with the manual at arms of the platform, having not really changed in the last 45 years. Next we can consider that should we end up in contact at some point or another, any friendly forces in the area can aid us with spare mags of ammo, or even just ammo without any chambering issues.
MP5 based on the info given.
1. Two suitcases with ample ammunition. A suitcase can hold more 9mm than 5.45.
2. The other guy has a makarov. If he runs out of ammo, he can always go to the suitcase to get more.
3. Priority is to get from point A to point B, not look for a fight. MP5 has better "spray & pray" control, plus we dont know what time of day this is happening nor how long it may take to get to the destination.
MP5 because body armour wasn’t abundant back then. However now I would choose the AK because it can penetrate armour
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Realistically i think I'd throw both of them on the bus, but seeing as its a stipulation to "pick one" for this scenario I think I would have to go with the AKs74...Reasoning being.
1) it has more effective range, higher velocity and better ballistics than the MP5, I'm not 100% sure but I think the magazines probably have slightly more capacity.
2) seeing as we may possibly be ambushed in an open area on the way to the airport I would want all the potential "effective range" I could get, and being a soviet and having been trained and more experienced on the platform I would be more familiar to its operation and better at accounting for hold over/under for distance than the MP5 if caught out in the open.
3) when we get to the airport has it been completely secured? or are we fighting our way to just a secured runway? AK is just as small as the MP5 so would be fine for CQB if the role was required for it, and again, an airport with lots of open long flat concrete area's with little to no cover if it wasn't secure I'd want something with more than 200m of range....so to me AK all day.
Standard ak74 mags are 30 rds, just as standard mp5 mags.
The Mp5 would for sure be me pick because an aimpoint would make quick shots easier in forseen ambushes, the light would be of great assistance and night, and the minimal concussion along with the a3 stock makes it perfect for vehicle born use
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I'm going to AKs and save up the MP5 for Nagatomi Plaza Scenario.
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I'd grab the AKs74u, 5.45 is a superior cartridge to 9mm, I'd imagine range and terminal ballistics is pretty important in that type of situation. Plus there is likely a lot more ammunition and magazines available for it compared to the MP5. Really looking forward to part 2 of this video with an expert analysis :)
Great question, I'd lean toward the aks74u but either would be very suitable
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Your guests are just getting better and better. Gun Jesus is hard to top but Vladimir Onokoy? I honestly can't wait for what he has to say about it, I have a passing suspicion that he'll pick the AK, being the Kalashnikov Media face and all, but the insight alone he will provide will be second to none. Loved his worst AK series, he's seen it all.
Btw, as a real armchair gun expert, I'm picking the AK because of the character's possible training (using an AK will be like an arm extention, no matter the ergonomics) and the 5.45 just having better penetration and ballistics than the 9mm, penetrating cars and being able to effectively punch out to 150m or so should the need arise.
MP5, optics and illumination, invaluable at night. As far as the AK goes, well, as Sergeant Major Plumley said "If the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."
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AS far as i know, in cccp you had to serve in the army to beome a pediatrician Md.
So think a member of the diplomatic corps also served.
I would take the Aksu for myself. All reason already mentioned. For a Spetsnaz the AK ist as familiar as a his right arm.
I would give one diplo the mp5 (seriously? Why take only one of the two weapons?) And another would get my makarov. The wounded Intel guy with his makarov. A third diplomat would drive like he'll and we all sent out our prayers to Stalin.
I feel like the circumstances of the evac and evac route are important here. Time of day and expected engagement distance are deciding factors. If it's at night, the light and red dot make the MP5 really attractive, but its effect at range will be less than that of the AK, assuming a skilled shooter who is used to the AK's subpar sights. Then again, a night-time exfil would probably mean shorter engagement distances since neither you nor the enemy would be able to easily ID targets at range, so the MP5 may be ballistically adequate, especially given how controllable it is. If its daytime, AK all the way. You won't need a light and the irons aren't great but the additional power and flatter trajectory is worth it.
Assuming I'm dealing with a group of people without hearing protection, I'd probably go with the MP5.
MP5 because of the setup. Flashlight to PID in the dark and a reliable Aimpoint optic. However I’d snag the sling from the AK74u for another necessary attachment.
Great question. Id always typically go with firepower and the AK, but having the MP5 with the aimpoint and light for night time urban environment operations would be the way I would go. Positive target ID and aiming in the dark would give it the edge for me. Plus the acoustic shock from possibly shooting the AK 74 from inside a vehicle would be a problem for myself and my team.
I would go for the Mp5 only because it has a light. The dot is just icing on the cake at that point.
The bigger issue I find is that regardless of which weapon we choose we are still wildly undermanned and undergunned.
A lone chief of security officer and a wounded Makarov wielding intelligence agent up against who knows what out in the city. There’s entire squads out there full of ak’s, pkms, rpgs, and whatnot.
Other than having to move through the city in that bus and possibly dismounting that bus for whatever reason. Is the airfield out in a long stretch of rural land? At least with a dot attached there might be a possibility of being able to quickly walk shots close to targets 100 meters and out. With those AK sights they’re just so... in the way of watching were shots land.
My main problem with figuring out this scenario is trying not to drive/walk 11 civilians into their deaths.
At least with one flashlight we might be able to move better under the cover of darkness if we use the flashlight very very sparingly. And the dot is much easier to use than irons in dark environments. And it doesn’t have to be nighttime. It could be midday or we might find ourselves in a darkened building we have to move through.
I’m very excited to find out how this story had gone down and I hope that everyone had made it out alright.
Light and optic virtually every time
I think the MP5, the aimpoint is a distinct advantage in low light and I think the ballistics advantage of the AK is overblown. Your mo is move fast and quiet, only engage if absolutely necessary and likely then your main aim will be suppression so that your driver can keep moving, if you get into the type of firefight where you need the extra ballistics of the 5.45 it's probably already over.
Hope like hell that your driver knows how to pedal.
Considering that it is eaiser to pick up targets with a red dot particulallrly when moving im leaning towards the mp5. However the extra velocity of the 5.45x39 does equate to more solid hits in target and considering shooting should be considered tertiary to avoiding conflict in order to get your group to evac I think the AK74U is the right choice.
After all you dont want this to devolve into a soviet Mogadishu incident
I would ago with the AK-74u! Main reason being that it should be a weapon system that they would be more familiar with.
This is the 1990s that old-school light is pushing like 65 lumens tops so it won't be that helpful in the streets to push past photonic barriers for PID at night/early morning. We're escaping in a vic so being chased by other vehicles will probably happen. 5.45 intermediate barrier penetration for sure along with more standoff. Mobility is security all gas no breaks.
Krink without a doubt, aim point of that day wouldn’t be great compared to what we have now, and the 74 irons are are good enough for any kind of range you’d be engaging at with either gun, plus that 74 is probably supplied with 7n6 which would be far more lethal and wounding than 9mm ball
Aks74u
-difference in ammo weight is negligible because we’re in a transport.
-within urban distances iron sights should be fine
- unironically: STOPPING POWER (or, at least, more lethality in 5.45)
- familiarity with the system
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MP5. The optic and light could come in handy, and it's got gentler recoil. I'll take it in a moving vehicle over the 5.45. We're not sticking around getting into protracted firefights with the locals when I've got a group of unarmed guys to protect.
AK for a couple reasons. 1. better range and "power" in the AK vs 9mm. Penetration etc 2 More ammo available for battlefield pickup if I have to.
This is a very interesting scenario
The MP5 is a great SMG for its purpose, and can provide a great deal of firepower within its effective range. However, its effective range isn't particularly that far, you might be able to get it up to 200 yards, maybe more but 9mm can only do so much. However, the flashlight and red dot offer great versatility (even if they're not as good as modern options) but out in the open, the flashlight will be limited by range. Handling characteristics however gives it a solid edge and for me the MP5 is my favourite SMG for that reason.
That said, the AKS74U in its bog standard configuration is both a love/hate relationship. The irons aren't particularly amazing but the carbine can still hit targets around 400y as shown by 9 Hole themselves. The short barrel does mean that the 5.45 takes a hit in performance but it's still offering more bang for buck, even if not by a huge margin. It's a bog standard AK in ergonomics so it's not going to win in the handling department. That said, it's an effective short ranged carbine that shouldn't be ignored. Even if you'll be blinding the feck out of everyone at night and blaring your ear drums.
I'm sort of swayed more to the MP5 but having an all rounder like the AKS74U makes more sense. With the context provided, the 74U is my pick.
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I don't see myself getting out of our Bus; It's basically our rolling paper castle now. I'm going to try and lay as low as possible on our trip to the airport so most likely we'd either be stopped by Muj on the road in an ambush (we're screwed), have Muj attack us while we're driving, or be attacked while stopped in traffic such as a possible checkpoint. I'm assuming there won't be a coordinated attack but they may have intel and plan something due to the high profile nature of the Russian jet arrival. Due to the nature of the threats and my familiarity as a Russian embassy security officer, I'd go AK74U. The 5.45 cartridge will be able to punch through Muj vehicles better, disable them better, and provide substantially more killing potential against impassioned Muj fighters. It's going to be hard enough trying to shoot at mounted Muj while my associate tries to drive evasivly if I do have to engage, so I want every bullet I fire to be as debilitating as possible.The red dot on the mp5 is an advantage but the 9mm cartirdge is just to big a trade off for the nature of our situation. I don't care about the flashlight as the 628 Surefire mounted on there is only 65 lumens and I'm driving on a road with tons of headlights so it doesn't really help me if things go dark.
If ammo availability is not a concern, then I would take the MP5. The Aimpoint is a combat multiplier, allowing faster target acquisition and engagement while also simultaneously increasing situational awareness. The flashlight doesnt really factor in, unless there is a probability of the evacuation happening in the cover of darkness.
You give the impression that the transport will be happening at night, but the 74 having more damage and possibly the enemies may be carrying them for extra rounds.
The red dot is a selling point to the MP5 for me, the smaller blast is a bonus.
Amble ammunition, and unlikely that the opposition will have body armor? The MP5 for me.
It's an interesting pair of options.
Whilst I rate the MP5A3 as a better general weapon, I'd personally opt for the AK in this specific scenario for a few reasons.
Firstly penetrative power. This is a scenario in which I see the ability to disable hostile vehicles as key. I'd rate an AKs74U as something more able to disable a technical by punching through and making a mess either of the mechanicals or the person driving it.
Secondly noise. In most situations, you'd probably want the quieter and less conspicuous weapon, but in a scenario like this most combat will either be measured in seconds, or you're already dead. The shock value of the noise and flash of AKs74U in those first few seconds may just drive a few more heads down. And 5.45mm can still oblige the few nutty enough to want to die for their god, even if the stopping power is less than 9mm
Thirdly, reliability. Whilst the MP5A3 is an exceptionally reliable weapon, it's not standard in this scenario. I'm more willing to bet my life on being able to keep a standard issue AK shooting over keeping the MP5A3 shooting. It's less about getting rounds on target as it is about putting rounds downrange in this scenario I think.
This is kind if tough from today's standpoint. However. Both have there good points.
The MP5 has an optic and light. It's very accurate, but in 9mm is not as strong as some would like.
The AKS-74U has just irons, but has rifle ammunition, more powerful than a 9mm.
Now they both have adequate amount of ammunition, but I would say the 9mm is not as popular in the middle East and the AK, even though there is probably not that many AK - 74s running around.
From a modern standpoint I would choose the MP5. Its nice to have well placed shots and to be able to identify your target in low light.
Tough one, since you mentioned driving to the evac zone. I'm not thinking I'd need to be clearing out buildings. As fending off other vehicles and ambush is a possibility I'll go for the ak for penetration of barrier and velocity, slow 9mm would be harder to aim for drop and windage while moving.
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I would definitely take the AK.
1. It being what I train with.
2. It's ammo being common not only among my allies, but my enemies as well.
3. In a defensive position, I would not need a red dot to be effective however the light would be a bonus.
4. Going up against hostile forces in light technicals and AKs, I would hate to be in a bus but I would hate more not to have something that punches through doors or windshields better.
5. Kinetic energy of 5.45 just drops people faster and is less affected by distance.
The MP5 is an extremely well designed and proven weapon and the advantages of the red dot and light cannot be understated, however at the time of my training and gear I would have to be able to effectively utilize the AKS-74U. I would take it without question.
I would go with the AK. While the increase concussion would be unpleasant in the extreme, I feel like it would be able to deal with soft-skinned technicals better and the additional range would be a massive bonus
I'm probably well-trained with the AKS, when in the same time, I'm discovering this MP5.
The van is non-armored, so we must go fast. The Aimpoint should be a big help if I must shoot while moving.
I don't see any interest having this light, specially if it's during daytime.
It's harder to pick one this time than the last scenario. I think I would pick the AKS.
How many rounds/mags of ammunition would i have for each one
(Ample ammunition for each but you only have time to pick one and go)
@@9HoleReviews why can't pick both?
@@xaquko9718 ur dumb
@@xaquko9718 because this is a fun thought experiment with arbitrary rules
@@xaquko9718 Because this scenario isn't a video game.
Definitely the MP5. The optics and light are certainly nice, but for me the big difference would be the ergonomics and ease of handling. The difference in velocity and muzzle energy is interesting, but the fact that the U version of the AKS has an 8" barrel pretty much squanders just about all of the benefit in having a rifle round. Watch the 9-hole review on the Krinkov for evidence of that.
If I found an MP5 with an M68 CCO I’d be looking around for the time machine.
Already chose one in the poll, but in this scenario the ideal choice is not a submachine gun or a carbine. It is a PKM with a substantial amount of ammunition.