Everyone, this is a re-upload. Please be careful in the comments section. While we disagree with the ruling on the previous publication, we publish on their platform, so they have all the rights to do whatever. We had backup plans that we had put together last year, but didn't expect to need to push them ahead so soon. Will update with the backups soon, but take care for the meantime.
i was gonna ask i enjoyed this video before and watched it but the youtube deversity hires that be decided this was the naughty video lol i will watch it again anyway i liked it.
Please note that these are normally shot using 5.6mm/GP90 ammo and not .223. These rounds were specifically designed for the sig550's series and offer greater stability in air resulting in higher precision. I have shot and compared standard 5.56 and 5.6 ammo at a 300m range in Switzerland. The difference between those rounds in this rifle is pretty big.
@@steven-k. Well, next time you go to the 300n range try to do groupings with both GECO 5.56 and GP90. Normally, you will notice that your groupings are much more consistent and tighter with GP90
Don't forget the consistent Price of 0.7chf a round for this quality of ammo. I don't know If you can find good 5.56 match ammo for that Price these days 😅
I could not think of a single reason why this was put down on the first place, yours channel has been costantly putting out similiar content whit no harm done to enyone. Glad things got sortet out. 👍
Another rifle with a somewhat adjustable or tunable trigger that most people don't realize is the Steyr AUG. More specifically the trigger bar and it's engagement with the trigger can be tuned but nobody knows it. TnSteyr has a video about it.
dude jay! thanks to you and Mish again. Interesting you guys did the Vz today, been working with mine a bit, since we bought oodles of soviet cal.. and Vz58 is lyfe.
. Again, thank you for demonstrating the trigger adjustments. Most people forget about it and just live with the trigger the was it was set by the last user; if ever set properly
Speaking of classic police snipers there's two I really want to see, one is an extremely rare one but my personal favorite bullpup sniper design of all time. The Walther WA2000 in .300 Winchester Magnum. Another police sniper but this time also used by the Australian army and my personal favorite bolt action sniper rifle, the Blaser Jagdwaffen R93 Tactical 2 in .338 Lapua Magnum.
I would love to see one of these for the Ruger 10/22. It's just a dinky little plinker, but almost everyone has one and I'm sure people would like to see what their gun could do in your hands!
At the age about 19-20 i read a local magazine that made article about this rifle and quickly put Sig 550-1 sniper as ultimate rifle in my mind without knowing the real performance of this rifle. But after see the vids, i realized that at that time, rifle that has high price quickly regarded as high end accuracy rifle without real tested. Thats the irony of old magazine years ago. But still if i have opportunity to own that rifle, i will buy with heartbeat
Interesting - I just bought a PE90 (here in Switzerland) and I'm experiencing some teething problems. I used to shoot K31 and Standard Rifle in 7.5 and found them a lot more 'forgiving'. Perhaps it's the wider front sight on the 90. Man, would I like to try a scope like that.
I owned a Sig-550-2 for about a year (2002-2003 or so) and for me at the time, it was a Grail rifle. I liquidated a lot of guns to buy it (going rate at the time was north of $8k) and bought about a dozen extra mags, a scope mount, and thought it was the bees knees. Until I shot it. At that point, the rose colored glasses shattered. It was extremely nose heavy, heavier (subjectively) out front than a heavy barreled A2 and the balance just didn't work for me. The bipod seemed a bit overly tall and made it uncomfortable to shoot prone and don't even think about shooting it off a bench using the bipod. But what really did it to me was when the whole "Swiss Accuracy" myth was shattered. The best groups we could get, on average, were ~2MOA, some smaller, some larger, but a free float AR from a decent manufacturer was printing much better. There was a certain amount of cachet that it brought to the table when you took it out of the case. You knew that no one else would have one, and short of the FAMAS (or the rumored 1 to 3 SA-80s that were supposed to have been imported but no one ever saw), it was perhaps the most unique combat rifle of the era. That said, someone offered me considerably more than I had in the entire package about a year after I bought it and out the door it went.
The 552 was iirc a bit of a failed experiment. I haven't heard of a 550-2, but if you mean the 552, most of it's problems were solved in the 553 iteration.
@@shanesaesseli3279 I think I know what the rifle I paid $8k to buy was called. The original SIG-550-1 was a 1:12 twist barrel while the 550-2 came a little later and had the 1:7 twist barrel.
@@kfeltenberger maybe you used the wrong ammo? The correct ammo is swiss GP90 ammo. But 8k is too much for that gun anyway. At that point you are just paying for it's rarity. In Switzerland you can get one for 1.500 on the market. But many you can get for free as people are giving up their military rifle.
@@xy-yt3xp It was the "right ammo"; GP90 and a couple others. Yes, in 2002 it was a rare and very desirable rifle and the price reflected it. It doesn't matter what the price is/was in Switzerland because they were illegal to import when I bought mine.
being swiss myself, having served using the 550 and 553 and owning both in private, I can happily say both will never be as accurate as a well made AR. It's facts and I also tested it myself with all three mounted in a sled. Using GP90 doesn't matter either, it's just good 62gr 5.56 fmj. nothing more, nothing less. The SIG rifles are very accurate but nothing mythical. my 550 shoots 1-2 MOA, the 553 0.75 - 1.5 MOA with various loads. Most accurate was swiss made OTM ammo and not GP90. the 55X series have an edge on ARs when it comes the magazine mechanism in cold weather, when running surpressed aswell as running forever without cleaning or needing any replacement parts like the AR15 does with gas rings etc. Both are great and my AR15 ran 3k rounds without cleaning, just some oiling. could have gone further but I decided to clean it.
Being currently in law enforcement I know many swat snipers that use 16” barrel ar platforms in both 556 and 308. Also I don’t see any department in the us spending sig 550 money when like you said a mk12 platform outperforms the 550 at a much lower price point
Yea what people don't understand is that the SIG550 is specifically made to fire the special Swiss 5.6/GP90 loads but still able to chamber 5.56mm and in fact, almost all Swiss SIGs from the 550 series can fire both ammunitions well. It was stated that in good conditions with the 5.6mm, a normal 550 can square up to just 1.10 MOA or even tighter groupings at ~ 0.95 MOA and for a semi-auto rifle, that's PSG territory and it's a real good rifle. Also, the purpose built for the 550 Sniper was totally different and the philosophy was the same behind the 5.6mm rounds. So unlike other nation where they think of long range shots before anything else, the Swiss had a different philosophy. When they tested out the original standard 5.56mm of that time, they soon realized that the capability of it fell drastically even from the M16 of that time at 350m which was something they can't take as their ideology was to shoot at one mountain range (alps) to another range which the average gap between them would be about 400-500m apart, surpassing the rifle ability that they tested. So, the Swiss came up with a plan and started to make a heavier 5.56mm bullet with just finer powder that burns more efficiently and then slap it into their rifle. What they soon realized was that the 550 prototype that they fired it with soon achieved great MOA scores of about 1.40 - .1.8 with various shooter with the 5.6mm caliber and also somehow able to chew up the normal NATO SS109 5.56mm at that time too. With the normal SS109, the same set of shooters were able to get a range of 1.6 - 2.10 MOA which, for an assault rifle of that time, was extremely on par with the M16 and even surpasses many other 5.56mm rifles from other nation like the HK33 and even the bullpups like the AUG and FAMAS. However, the Swiss soon realized that the GP90 might be superbly expensive to manufacture for the general masses of the Swiss army thus they just issued the rounds for Swiss military competitive shooters, sniper units in the military and police units whereas the others use the 5.56mm that the Swiss themselves could readily get from either the US or any other NATO allied countries.
Ref barrel twist, I've a Remington 78 bolt 223 with a 1/12 twist (scoped) that is capable of less than 1/2" three shot groups at 100yds using Hornady 60gr TAP ammo. This ammo is flat base, and the barrel is decently long at 20". I'd always thought 1/12 would only stabilize 55gr and below.
Most of my 5.56x45 is a 1x9 twist and I shoot with a 79 Gr. Projectile sometimes a projectile at 62 Gr.(I think, at least in the 60s). The platform is a heavy barrel AR rifle manufactured by Colt and Bushmaster. My actual Sniper Rifles are Remington Bolt guns purpose built from Remington both with very heavy barrels and further refined by a gunsmith and setup for LEO in 7.62x54 using hand loads developed for each individual rifle. Barrel lengths were 24” and 28”. The 24” is considered for Urban environments and concerned with ingress and egress. Each having sub-MOA at 100 yds. For LEO as you know these platforms are sighted in at 100 yds.(yeah, I’m an IT guy but I am also LEO trained by one of the larger LEO agencies in the US, enough said on that). Topped with a Leupold Mark 4 scope on all my sniper rifles Researching on acquiring a 3rd use sniper platform. I have some semi collectible old school platforms I use as range toys, nothing I would bet my life on or compete with, just for having fun. Would I purchase something like this, Well... for collecting YES, bet my life on NOT. I’ve use my Remingtons out to about 850 yards with good results. Not on square range. We were training and were in all type of situation from wooded to urban. Again, my results were good as I’m not a professional like yourself but I train to keep my skill up and I have the opportunity to train with LEOs(I am fortunate to be able to do this) Again, I really enjoy you channel and always learn something, Thank You !! FYI - Really Enjoy your channel Ricky from IBM, Ret k4vms@comcast.net
Just an Idea you guys should do an SMG practical accuracy to 150-250 yards with SMGs, Long barreled pistols and Machine pistols. Starting with 50 75 100 125 150 etc. Also we want an M1 30 Carbine on the 500 course real bad btw. Just an idea that would help your channel hit a like if you agree. It would be cool to see what an 8.5 inch 44 magnum with a scope would do an a 200 yard course or a MP5.
I really enjoyed the talk at the end discussing the twist rate and employment methodology. Both topics I had in my head the entire video. I agree with your assessment. The MK12 is a better modern day tool.
Was the removal because I and another person was discussing INSAS and SLR rifle barrel twist and some bullet specifications I also linked a website with specifications and sale details.. I hope our discussion did not cause it. If so sincerest apologies
I just love our little talks, Henry-- 🖒😎 Btw, re: buying this rifle-- in a practical sense, I tend toward not buying uber expensive rifles whose job can be done better by lesser expensive, yet still good quality rifles. Not trying to be mean, I just don't like spending money on firearms just to collect them, fwiw I prefer all of my weapons to not only please me aesthetically, but be extremely practical, as well. Perhaps that will change in the future, I don't know...
looks like a repost here... I have of course liked because of the content. I will say that the first shots at 500, somebody didn't wait for his observer to say quite clearly "low - Right" as that was obvious to us on the viewing end. 55 gr projectiles on a heavy steel target. No movement. But you could tell. I would love to see you try this on Prarrie Dogs at medium ranges. I'll bet they would be pretty effective. Thanks again and I'm glad to see that you didn't die at the beginning. ;)
Hi guys, VERY good point about the use of the gun. I never saw this crap in the Swiss army. Also never heard that it is in use with any Swiss police force... Probably tested for a while. With an SG550 in good condition we shoot frequently (with a 4x scope) at 600m and the hit rate was +/- 85% at the first shot. This was with a standard SG550. I have to say that standard Swiss GP90 amo will be considered as "sniper" amo in every other country. SG550 is probably still one of most accurate military "trooper" rifle yet. But I have to admit that this 550 "sniper" is a real piece of crap for the price. There is nothing that justified this price difference. A 25" barrel will newer be more accurate then a 18/20" one. Would had been interesting to see results with GP90 amo. Cheers
Die SG550 Sniper wurden explizit für die Polizei gemacht und waren ab den 90er Jahren bis Anfangs 2000 im Einsatz. Danach verschwanden sie aus den Arsenalen der Schweizer Polizei.
@@marcelfurrer5076 Police certainly don't need anything like that in Switzerland. When was last time the plice shot anyone in this country ? Probably decades ago.
@@12345fowler Die Polizei hat in der Schweiz jedes Jahr ca. 20 Schusswaffeneinsätze, da sind Warnschüsse inklusive. Nicht eingerechnet sind hunderte von Schüssen, mit denen verletzte Tiere erlöst werden. Ich selbst habe schon einige Tiere erlöst und hätte im vergangenen Jahr auch fast das Feuer auf einen Menschen eröffnen müssen. Durch die konsequente Androhung des Schusswaffeneinsatzes konnte die Schussabgabe jedoch verhindert und die Situation geklärt werden. Tödliche Schusswaffeneinsätze durch die Polizei waren es in den letzten Jahren im Durchschnitt 1-2 pro Jahr. Seit Einführung von Tasern ist die Zahl der Schusswaffeneinsätze gesunken. Die Schweiz ist nicht mehr so friedlich wie noch vor 30 Jahren. Zu einem finalen Rettungsschuss durch einen Sniper kam es in der Schweiz bisher nur einmal, das war am 26.03.2000 in Chur. Der Hauptgrund für die Ausmusterungen der SIG SG550-1 Sniper waren das Kaliber. Die heutigen Präzisionsgewehre der Schweizer Polizei sind in den Kalibern .308‘‘ Win bis .50‘‘ BMG.
I would buy it. Only if it was able to snap shot at 100m with in a 3" of center. I would prefer a 7mm aka 30 cal variant. 1.8 twist to 2 with a long heavy 20" barrel to help harmonising projectile to flight path. If the barrel walls are too thin the projectile rattles and deharmnises with its intended path. No matter how tight the fit in battery. I like Henry's lever. They have heavy barrels, consistent groups through all kinds of ammo. Anyways fen-shway great content.
@@MrSplic3r I'm gonna rephrase the question: Is it possible for a 55 grain .223 projectile fired from a 25" barrell to drop below 334 m/s at 500 yards? (assuming a standard powder load)
I don't know what the heck was "wrong" with the previous version. Perhaps like the Sir Mix-a-Lot song where he was stopped by the police for doing "55 in a 54"... Just sending a message.
This is a very nice rifle to have a friend own. I don't have a role for this rifle that is not much better and more economically filled with a HB ar or a Remington 700 . A 1 in 7 to 1 in 9 twist medium to heavy barreled AR with a Wylde chamber is hard to beat for heavier bullets at these ranges. I do consider the Remington slightly more precise even with the slower follow up and overall rate of fire.
Why didn't you shoot the 62gr (it was designed for) or the 69gr (proven stabilized)? Both those would be better hitters at distance and less likely to be affected by wind.
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Clearly RUclips wasn’t happy with the human error on the first two shots at 500. Must do better next time
Abide by our Algorithm Overlords.
25" inch barrel you need 77gr
@@khepeshdmj335 1:10 twist isn't going to stabilize the 77gr, despite the 25" barrel. He literally goes over this in the video.
Everyone, this is a re-upload. Please be careful in the comments section. While we disagree with the ruling on the previous publication, we publish on their platform, so they have all the rights to do whatever. We had backup plans that we had put together last year, but didn't expect to need to push them ahead so soon. Will update with the backups soon, but take care for the meantime.
Next video Springfield .30 06 M1903 Scoped Sniper Rifle 1100 yards
i was gonna ask i enjoyed this video before and watched it but the youtube deversity hires that be decided this was the naughty video lol i will watch it again anyway i liked it.
what was this 'ruling"?? I'd like to know more-- you should do a video on it.
@@calholli npc said weapons, orange man and normal genders are bad, npc allways right, everything else must be deleted. Npc over and out.
What is the intro music?
Please note that these are normally shot using 5.6mm/GP90 ammo and not .223. These rounds were specifically designed for the sig550's series and offer greater stability in air resulting in higher precision.
I have shot and compared standard 5.56 and 5.6 ammo at a 300m range in Switzerland. The difference between those rounds in this rifle is pretty big.
@@steven-k. Well, next time you go to the 300n range try to do groupings with both GECO 5.56 and GP90. Normally, you will notice that your groupings are much more consistent and tighter with GP90
Don't forget the consistent Price of 0.7chf a round for this quality of ammo. I don't know If you can find good 5.56 match ammo for that Price these days 😅
@@terminal1397 Wow, I personally pay 0.4CHF by round in Wallis
@@makarovj6871 seriously the real gp90 ? 0.4 it's sound more like .223 commercial, i feel pretty screwed up now 😂😂😂
@@terminal1397 Yes ahahaah, you can get a box of 50 rounds for 20CHF around Wallis and Vaud :)
Put something on your website that lets us register for a newsletter. That way if things go south, we can stay in the loop.
Damn Gun Jesus with the knife kill to avenge his fallen brethren.
Lucas would be the scrub to rush B with a P90 lol.
And use an aimbot
I could not think of a single reason why this was put down on the first place, yours channel has been costantly putting out similiar content whit no harm done to enyone. Glad things got sortet out. 👍
Probably the" dead body" at the beginning.
Yeah I was think the human arm on the p90 and the saying the bomb has been planted
I seriously hope RUclips gets dethroned similar to how MySpace did, the more years go by the worse it gets...
Some easter eggs on that intro on the kill feed.
Ian with the FAMAS, typical
Rob Ski over at AKOU also
Subtly calling Botkin out on editing his videos, too.
I never noticed that before. Cool
@@MrSplic3r The knife kill was surprising tho.
RUclips just can't stand Henry flexig his PS90 SBR
Happy to see this video is back up
I specifically didn't watch this cause I wanted to watch it later, but then it got removed
It's later.
Same here, now its later, but what was the problem exactly?
Same, just got to watch it later later
The Sig 550 series of rifles are so amazing
I'm glad that you reupload the video!
Another rifle with a somewhat adjustable or tunable trigger that most people don't realize is the Steyr AUG. More specifically the trigger bar and it's engagement with the trigger can be tuned but nobody knows it. TnSteyr has a video about it.
I absolutely love the Sig 55x pattern rifles. I just wish I could afford them.
Thank you guys for making these fun videos. Mixing informative study, good editing, and entertaining commentary makes for a real treat.
Nice rifle. I think that it is optimised for GP 90 ammo (Swiss military), which is 62 grains, so the 55 grains is probably too light.
Aayy, I recognize that rifle. Pro-tip: it shoots better if you're wearing a shemagh. 😁
Great video Henry, I've been looking forward to this one!
dude jay! thanks to you and Mish again. Interesting you guys did the Vz today, been working with mine a bit, since we bought oodles of soviet cal.. and Vz58 is lyfe.
We love you Henry. Keep fighting the good fight!
Glad to see you got yours back guys. Take care and God bless.
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Again, thank you for demonstrating the trigger adjustments. Most people forget about it and just live with the trigger the was it was set by the last user; if ever set properly
Awesome work gents, please keep doing what you're doing. The history, discussions and datapoints you bring up are truly second to none. Cheers!
Ian with the FAMAS.
4:29 I love that audio.... "Fuck!" you can just barely hear it, and that somehow makes it funnier. 😂
Would love to see an Sig MCX review
They are accurate.
Holy moly that optic is a big boy!
Glad you reuploaded, I missed it on the first go. I like the style aesthetics of SIG, own a 55x model for the U.S market, love it.
Watching all the way through again and hitting that like button so it’s clear you have our support.
Speaking of classic police snipers there's two I really want to see, one is an extremely rare one but my personal favorite bullpup sniper design of all time. The Walther WA2000 in .300 Winchester Magnum.
Another police sniper but this time also used by the Australian army and my personal favorite bolt action sniper rifle, the Blaser Jagdwaffen R93 Tactical 2 in .338 Lapua Magnum.
Very interesting, thanks, guys. And to be honest, yes I would buy it as a collector's item. I like the way this gun looks like.
I’m liking this video again because there was nothing wrong with the original version.
I would love to see one of these for the Ruger 10/22. It's just a dinky little plinker, but almost everyone has one and I'm sure people would like to see what their gun could do in your hands!
At the age about 19-20 i read a local magazine that made article about this rifle and quickly put Sig 550-1 sniper as ultimate rifle in my mind without knowing the real performance of this rifle. But after see the vids, i realized that at that time, rifle that has high price quickly regarded as high end accuracy rifle without real tested. Thats the irony of old magazine years ago.
But still if i have opportunity to own that rifle, i will buy with heartbeat
Thanks chaps. Always good to see your videos. RUclips need a reality check.
Interesting - I just bought a PE90 (here in Switzerland) and I'm experiencing some teething problems. I used to shoot K31 and Standard Rifle in 7.5 and found them a lot more 'forgiving'. Perhaps it's the wider front sight on the 90. Man, would I like to try a scope like that.
Sweet looking rifle!
We love you Henry
This gun looks so cool
I owned a Sig-550-2 for about a year (2002-2003 or so) and for me at the time, it was a Grail rifle. I liquidated a lot of guns to buy it (going rate at the time was north of $8k) and bought about a dozen extra mags, a scope mount, and thought it was the bees knees. Until I shot it. At that point, the rose colored glasses shattered. It was extremely nose heavy, heavier (subjectively) out front than a heavy barreled A2 and the balance just didn't work for me. The bipod seemed a bit overly tall and made it uncomfortable to shoot prone and don't even think about shooting it off a bench using the bipod. But what really did it to me was when the whole "Swiss Accuracy" myth was shattered. The best groups we could get, on average, were ~2MOA, some smaller, some larger, but a free float AR from a decent manufacturer was printing much better.
There was a certain amount of cachet that it brought to the table when you took it out of the case. You knew that no one else would have one, and short of the FAMAS (or the rumored 1 to 3 SA-80s that were supposed to have been imported but no one ever saw), it was perhaps the most unique combat rifle of the era. That said, someone offered me considerably more than I had in the entire package about a year after I bought it and out the door it went.
The 552 was iirc a bit of a failed experiment. I haven't heard of a 550-2, but if you mean the 552, most of it's problems were solved in the 553 iteration.
@@shanesaesseli3279 I think I know what the rifle I paid $8k to buy was called. The original SIG-550-1 was a 1:12 twist barrel while the 550-2 came a little later and had the 1:7 twist barrel.
@@kfeltenberger maybe you used the wrong ammo? The correct ammo is swiss GP90 ammo. But 8k is too much for that gun anyway. At that point you are just paying for it's rarity. In Switzerland you can get one for 1.500 on the market. But many you can get for free as people are giving up their military rifle.
@@xy-yt3xp It was the "right ammo"; GP90 and a couple others. Yes, in 2002 it was a rare and very desirable rifle and the price reflected it. It doesn't matter what the price is/was in Switzerland because they were illegal to import when I bought mine.
being swiss myself, having served using the 550 and 553 and owning both in private, I can happily say both will never be as accurate as a well made AR.
It's facts and I also tested it myself with all three mounted in a sled.
Using GP90 doesn't matter either, it's just good 62gr 5.56 fmj. nothing more, nothing less.
The SIG rifles are very accurate but nothing mythical. my 550 shoots 1-2 MOA, the 553 0.75 - 1.5 MOA with various loads. Most accurate was swiss made OTM ammo and not GP90.
the 55X series have an edge on ARs when it comes the magazine mechanism in cold weather, when running surpressed aswell as running forever without cleaning or needing any replacement parts like the AR15 does with gas rings etc.
Both are great and my AR15 ran 3k rounds without cleaning, just some oiling. could have gone further but I decided to clean it.
Nice to see this video back on air.
Already watched the first upload, watching again just because I can
dewtail of gun jesus using the FAMAS in the CS intro
Oh yeah, and here we are! I've been waiting patiently.
Heck yeah. Would love to buy one. Thx.
Gun Jesus with Famas...damn just how accurate is that..
Woah what's with the reupload? Now I know the reason why it wasn't here when iI was going to watch
Susan did Susan things and took down the video for seemingly no good reason.
Now it's back online.
Too cool for new school
Glad to see it made it back
glad you got it back up.
_that's what she said_
Nice, I see a type 99 up there.. can’t wait to see that practical accuracy test. It’ll be interesting to see how it stacks up against the 1903.
Good, it's up again!
Being currently in law enforcement I know many swat snipers that use 16” barrel ar platforms in both 556 and 308. Also I don’t see any department in the us spending sig 550 money when like you said a mk12 platform outperforms the 550 at a much lower price point
Use 5.6 gp90 an u’ll see a significant improvement in performance
Been watching for 3yrs great job 👍👍👍👍👍
Good to see its back
Yea what people don't understand is that the SIG550 is specifically made to fire the special Swiss 5.6/GP90 loads but still able to chamber 5.56mm and in fact, almost all Swiss SIGs from the 550 series can fire both ammunitions well.
It was stated that in good conditions with the 5.6mm, a normal 550 can square up to just 1.10 MOA or even tighter groupings at ~ 0.95 MOA and for a semi-auto rifle, that's PSG territory and it's a real good rifle.
Also, the purpose built for the 550 Sniper was totally different and the philosophy was the same behind the 5.6mm rounds.
So unlike other nation where they think of long range shots before anything else, the Swiss had a different philosophy. When they tested out the original standard 5.56mm of that time, they soon realized that the capability of it fell drastically even from the M16 of that time at 350m which was something they can't take as their ideology was to shoot at one mountain range (alps) to another range which the average gap between them would be about 400-500m apart, surpassing the rifle ability that they tested.
So, the Swiss came up with a plan and started to make a heavier 5.56mm bullet with just finer powder that burns more efficiently and then slap it into their rifle. What they soon realized was that the 550 prototype that they fired it with soon achieved great MOA scores of about 1.40 - .1.8 with various shooter with the 5.6mm caliber and also somehow able to chew up the normal NATO SS109 5.56mm at that time too. With the normal SS109, the same set of shooters were able to get a range of 1.6 - 2.10 MOA which, for an assault rifle of that time, was extremely on par with the M16 and even surpasses many other 5.56mm rifles from other nation like the HK33 and even the bullpups like the AUG and FAMAS.
However, the Swiss soon realized that the GP90 might be superbly expensive to manufacture for the general masses of the Swiss army thus they just issued the rounds for Swiss military competitive shooters, sniper units in the military and police units whereas the others use the 5.56mm that the Swiss themselves could readily get from either the US or any other NATO allied countries.
Subscribed, despite the ongoing trends. Love your objective & funny review.
Gun_Jesus with a FAMAS that's a really nice touch
I just want to note that Henry got a cleaner run to 500 with the SG550 with iron sights, lol. Granted, the wind is nuts.
Always Love your videos! Was just watching The Bourne Identity and started looking for this rifle. I have a Sig 556 and absolutely Love it!!!
Ref barrel twist, I've a Remington 78 bolt 223 with a 1/12 twist (scoped) that is capable of less than 1/2" three shot groups at 100yds using Hornady 60gr TAP ammo. This ammo is flat base, and the barrel is decently long at 20". I'd always thought 1/12 would only stabilize 55gr and below.
Seems more like you tried to “publish on a platform”. Turns out they are actually the publisher. 🤔
Most of my 5.56x45 is a 1x9 twist and I shoot with a 79 Gr. Projectile sometimes a projectile at 62 Gr.(I think, at least in the 60s).
The platform is a heavy barrel AR rifle manufactured by Colt and Bushmaster. My actual Sniper Rifles are Remington Bolt guns purpose built from Remington both with very heavy barrels and further refined by a gunsmith and setup for LEO in 7.62x54 using hand loads developed for each individual rifle. Barrel lengths were 24” and 28”. The 24” is considered for Urban environments and concerned with ingress and egress.
Each having sub-MOA at 100 yds. For LEO as you know these platforms are sighted in at 100 yds.(yeah, I’m an IT guy but I am also LEO trained by one of the larger LEO agencies in the US, enough said on that).
Topped with a Leupold Mark 4 scope on all my sniper rifles
Researching on acquiring a 3rd use sniper platform. I have some semi collectible old school platforms I use as range toys, nothing I would bet my life on or compete with, just for having fun.
Would I purchase something like this, Well... for collecting YES, bet my life on NOT.
I’ve use my Remingtons out to about 850 yards with good results. Not on square range. We were training and were in all type of situation from wooded to urban. Again, my results were good as I’m not a professional like yourself but I train to keep my skill up and I have the opportunity to train with LEOs(I am fortunate to be able to do this)
Again, I really enjoy you channel and always learn something, Thank You !!
FYI - Really Enjoy your channel
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Quite frankly, great review sir.
ITS BACK BABY
can't wait for you to get your hands on a PSG1.
We love you Henry!
Just an Idea you guys should do an SMG practical accuracy to 150-250 yards with SMGs, Long barreled pistols and Machine pistols. Starting with 50 75 100 125 150 etc. Also we want an M1 30 Carbine on the 500 course real bad btw. Just an idea that would help your channel hit a like if you agree. It would be cool to see what an 8.5 inch 44 magnum with a scope would do an a 200 yard course or a MP5.
I really enjoyed the talk at the end discussing the twist rate and employment methodology. Both topics I had in my head the entire video. I agree with your assessment. The MK12 is a better modern day tool.
Some great accuracy 👌..Pretty impressive
The new gun Sig 750 Creedmoor! Awsome
Love the content, and I love my slate black industries stop and panels! Thanks gents!
It's back
Have you guys ever done the PSG 1? I know they are hard to come by but would love to see you guys run one if you can.
Alex C (TFB TV) was supposed to provide them a rifle to test but it never materialized.
... after seeing a few of these practical accuracy videos, i would love to do this course with my ruger ranch rifle.
Was the removal because I and another person was discussing INSAS and SLR rifle barrel twist and some bullet specifications I also linked a website with specifications and sale details.. I hope our discussion did not cause it. If so sincerest apologies
I just love our little talks, Henry-- 🖒😎
Btw, re: buying this rifle-- in a practical sense, I tend toward not buying uber expensive rifles whose job can be done better by lesser expensive, yet still good quality rifles.
Not trying to be mean, I just don't like spending money on firearms just to collect them, fwiw
I prefer all of my weapons to not only please me aesthetically, but be extremely practical, as well.
Perhaps that will change in the future, I don't know...
looks like a repost here... I have of course liked because of the content.
I will say that the first shots at 500, somebody didn't wait for his observer to say quite clearly "low - Right" as that was obvious to us on the viewing end.
55 gr projectiles on a heavy steel target. No movement. But you could tell.
I would love to see you try this on Prarrie Dogs at medium ranges. I'll bet they would be pretty effective.
Thanks again and I'm glad to see that you didn't die at the beginning. ;)
At 4:30 did someone in the background blow off a finger or toe?
Love this gun SG550 and AR family SG552 since I play CS1.6 in my child's time.
It's can't be the content section. Have you seen Garand Thumb's videos?
what was the issue with the old video? what did youtube not like about it?
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Great video! I don’t think I would ever buy one but pretty cool. A Recce rifle does it for me just fine.
"Boom! .... Everyone goes home except for the terrorists." These are the callbacks of greatness.
next do carcano. that would be "fun" 😬
maybe test with 268 and 264 bullets to see difference
If I had the money then yes mostly as a collector and fan of classic sig products.
I would buy one of those if I had the money boi that thing is beautiful
Woooo! Welcome back!
the amount of bearing surface on the projectile also effects spin stabilization
Everyone forgets that projectile length is a huge factor in stability more than projectile weight
What is the difference between 540 series and 550 series???
Hi guys, VERY good point about the use of the gun. I never saw this crap in the Swiss army. Also never heard that it is in use with any Swiss police force... Probably tested for a while. With an SG550 in good condition we shoot frequently (with a 4x scope) at 600m and the hit rate was +/- 85% at the first shot. This was with a standard SG550. I have to say that standard Swiss GP90 amo will be considered as "sniper" amo in every other country. SG550 is probably still one of most accurate military "trooper" rifle yet. But I have to admit that this 550 "sniper" is a real piece of crap for the price. There is nothing that justified this price difference. A 25" barrel will newer be more accurate then a 18/20" one. Would had been interesting to see results with GP90 amo. Cheers
Die SG550 Sniper wurden explizit für die Polizei gemacht und waren ab den 90er Jahren bis Anfangs 2000 im Einsatz.
Danach verschwanden sie aus den Arsenalen der Schweizer Polizei.
@@marcelfurrer5076 Police certainly don't need anything like that in Switzerland. When was last time the plice shot anyone in this country ? Probably decades ago.
@@12345fowler Die Polizei hat in der Schweiz jedes Jahr ca. 20 Schusswaffeneinsätze, da sind Warnschüsse inklusive. Nicht eingerechnet sind hunderte von Schüssen, mit denen verletzte Tiere erlöst werden. Ich selbst habe schon einige Tiere erlöst und hätte im vergangenen Jahr auch fast das Feuer auf einen Menschen eröffnen müssen. Durch die konsequente Androhung des Schusswaffeneinsatzes konnte die Schussabgabe jedoch verhindert und die Situation geklärt werden.
Tödliche Schusswaffeneinsätze durch die Polizei waren es in den letzten Jahren im Durchschnitt 1-2 pro Jahr.
Seit Einführung von Tasern ist die Zahl der Schusswaffeneinsätze gesunken. Die Schweiz ist nicht mehr so friedlich wie noch vor 30 Jahren.
Zu einem finalen Rettungsschuss durch einen Sniper kam es in der Schweiz bisher nur einmal, das war am 26.03.2000 in Chur.
Der Hauptgrund für die Ausmusterungen der SIG SG550-1 Sniper waren das Kaliber. Die heutigen Präzisionsgewehre der Schweizer Polizei sind in den Kalibern .308‘‘ Win bis .50‘‘ BMG.
Finaly. Love it!
I would buy it. Only if it was able to snap shot at 100m with in a 3" of center. I would prefer a 7mm aka 30 cal variant. 1.8 twist to 2 with a long heavy 20" barrel to help harmonising projectile to flight path. If the barrel walls are too thin the projectile rattles and deharmnises with its intended path. No matter how tight the fit in battery. I like Henry's lever. They have heavy barrels, consistent groups through all kinds of ammo. Anyways fen-shway great content.
I wonder if the projectile was going back transonic and then subsonic, losing stability, is why it fell apart at past 500 yards?
55 grain from a 25" barrel at 500 yds? Is that even possible?
Transonic range is far higher than that for 5.56. It just doesn’t buck the wind very well and goes all over the place.
It was human error. I held it shallow (too low).
@@australovenatortomino_1741 Absolutely, that was still mandatory range for Marines with iron sighted M16-A2s as of '09, finally got ACOGs in '10.
@@MrSplic3r I'm gonna rephrase the question: Is it possible for a 55 grain .223 projectile fired from a 25" barrell to drop below 334 m/s at 500 yards? (assuming a standard powder load)
Greetings from Ticino Switzerland! ;-)
Where was Robski during this game?? ;-)
I don't know what the heck was "wrong" with the previous version. Perhaps like the Sir Mix-a-Lot song where he was stopped by the police for doing "55 in a 54"... Just sending a message.
This is a very nice rifle to have a friend own. I don't have a role for this rifle that is not much better and more economically filled with a HB ar or a Remington 700 . A 1 in 7 to 1 in 9 twist medium to heavy barreled AR with a Wylde chamber is hard to beat for heavier bullets at these ranges. I do consider the Remington slightly more precise even with the slower follow up and overall rate of fire.
Why didn't you shoot the 62gr (it was designed for) or the 69gr (proven stabilized)? Both those would be better hitters at distance and less likely to be affected by wind.
yes, i would buy...accurate enough and the cool factor!!
Stuff happens all the time with camera equipment good review anyway & keep up the good work 👍🏻
Love to see a swedish mauser in action.