Guys FYI we've decided after recording this video and the SCAR20 that we'll always shoot the 9-shot groups, really sorry they aren't here for these two but moving forward you'll see the high-round groups.
Hi guys. In my experience, if you change bullets or especially powder types, it can take a round or two for the POI to settle in its new location. Not always, but often. I think you saw some of that here. It would be a good idea to give each ammo type an off group fouling shot, or at least track if the first shot is consistently the outlier. Thanks!
I haven't been able to find an answer online but I'm wondering if the PSA Saber 10 barrel will fit a clone M110 gas block and muzzle break so I can get a clone M110 barrel suppressor on it.
Geez that M80 performance. Considering many buying this have lower budget range and will likely feed it more cheap ammo... I mean it's okay for a rifle to do not as well with M80, but being that bad with it is simply unacceptable.
We can all thank Nutnfancy for buying the one case of M80 ball 15 years ago that happened to shoot some good groups in a couple rifles. From now on, the question will always be asked, "Yeah, but how does it shoot ball?
It's more down to cost and availability. If you're just plinking, you don't want to pay 50-100% more for "match" ammo that your gun may not even like and your retailer may not even carry. Reloading is the answer: match grade ammo for M80 ball cost.
@Borderline5440 I work in the gun industry and run into this ALL THE TIME. Guys will buy a Scar20 or Hk Mr762 only to complain it wont shoot. Turns out theyre only willing to shoot the cheapest ammo they can find. I wish more people understood that garbage in ment garbage out.
I would have the same face if I see a stainless steel bbl precision AR shot like that. Shows CL barrel can be very accurate if done correctly. And a SS bbl doesn't mean anything by itself. Oh yeah and the nightmare with M80.😂😂😂
I have this PSA. With regard to accuracy, mine tends to be ammo fussy. Mine shoots best with 175 gr. GMM, consistently 1 MOA with that load. I have shot about 10 different loads, including Federal M80, about 2-3 MOA with that balll ammo. Overall it is a 1.5-2. MOA rifle. I have shot steel out to 630 yards, no problem hitting what I am shooting at. For the price I’m satisfied. The rifle has been 100% reliable. The Schmid DLC trigger is the best version of that trigger I have used. Expectations should be realistic given the price point.
Its a decent upper lower. Barrel is trash. Bought one anyways, yarded the barrel and BCG for a Shilen barrel and matched bolt head, swapped the carrier for a Lantac enhanced. For a sub 1500 308, its cool. But for a stripped upper and lower for below 350, be even cooler. Only other “easy” to get slant back receivers are the Zev Tec kit (which is superb) in my opinion.
My PSA Sabre has been sent back twice on reliability issues. Got it back and it worked for one range trip flawlessly. Now I went and the firing pin broke. I probably could’ve gotten a DD with the amount of range and time I’ve invested in this metal paperweight.
In all 3 of my 308 semi's I'll replace the firing pin with a geissele super duty ar10 firing pin and keep the included firing pin as backup. Ar10s are known to chew through poor quality firing pins.
Remember when comparing accuracy to an KAC rifle to divide the group size by 2 to convert to a KAC MOA. Therefore al those groups are sub MOA. KACs definition of MOA accuracy when contesting their accuracy guarantee, is that it is a deviation from the point of aim. A 2 MOA group is only 1 MOA off the point of aim, therefore 1 MOA group.
More like PSA owners calculating quality control. Even though your FSB is so crooked you can’t hit paper at 25M and the gas tube is so bent it’s smacking the side of the gas key, it’s a quality rifle.
I really hope it performs well for the price. I dont expect it to outshoot a 6k+ rifle but if its accurized well beyond an average ar-10 its worth it for the price.
I have one of these and my buddy is shooting it. I heard there were issues with the gassing and burrs in the barrel that took nearly 100 rounds and constant cleaning to correct. Looks like you guys had much better luck with yours.
Standard barrel break in (per the Military manuals) is to be expected. Trust me, I never bothered breaking in barrels until I started shooting long range.
Would be awesome to see you guys shoot through loopholes and set up more real world engagement scenarios. A target mounted to an RC car moving laterally and all kinds of interesting things you could do.
I have the PSA M110 clone used here, groups between 1.0 and 1.5 depending on the ammo and weight. 168s work well, 175s are 1 or below but 147s group like hammered shit. 6 inch groups with that stuff. EDIT: Apparently alot of people have a very similar result you guys got as well as my findings. The gun is super ammo picky but works very well once you find what it likes, ive seen tons of videos of it grouping ball like a worn out ak. No idea why that is, but I've been able to get FGMM 168/175 and AAC 168/175 for a good price and that stuff works in my rifle so i can't complain.
As a Mock-110 owner, I couldn't get anything under about 2" with 175gr, didn't matter who made the round. The best consistent tight groups I've had, has been with: FGMM 168gr, S&B 168gr, and AAC 168gr with a Sierra bullet.
For my range ammo I use Aguila 150gr 7.62x51 and was able to group sub 1.5” with 10 round groups consistently. I use Hornady Whitetail 150gr for most of my hog hunting and have had the same results. Sub 2” groupings consistently.
Well it's a Budget M110 they skimped on the barrel to lower costs. It would be interesting to see how a $200-$300 premium barrel would perform in this rifle. Even with the base rifle cost of $1,500 adding $300 worth of premium barrel would still be under $2,000 for the build and you would have 2 barrel's. If you sold the PSA barrel for $200 that would bring the rifle cost with the new barrel down to $1,600 or so. There's just so many options available for the AR-10 that you can really go in any direction here.
@Borderline5440 go shop around for AR-10 barrels and see what you can find for what price. Even if you had to reduce the price down to $100 that's still better than a complete loss.
The PSA rifle comes with various barrel options, it happens the one they have here is the cheapest base 4150cv barrel, but they have AR10's available with a 416R barrel which tends to be more accurate, but they also have other options such as a Faxon Match barrel and they have also had FN CHF CL barrels for a few years also.. I have PSA's cheapest AK, the GF3 and I can shoot anywhere from 2-4MOA groups with just cheap Russian steel cased Barnaul ammo, and that is a freaking AK shooting really cheap 7.62X39 steel cased stuff.. I'm not a good shooter at all when it comes to experience, barely shoot it and don't practice often, but when I first bought the PSA AK it only had Irons on it and believe it or not they were right on out of the box and the front sight was not canted at all, which is common with AK'S, but anyway I put 4inch shotgun clays on the berm at a 100 yard range , so it would be likely about 110 yards out and I was consistently hitting the 4in clays with Irons, and that was the first time I had shot the gun and before that I had not touched a rifle in several years other than an occasional AR and a Ruger 10/22, so again I'm certainly not what is considered a "good" shot.. Perhaps I just got lucky and got a really good example PSA budget base model AK $600? Oh and it has been 100% reliable so far with about 800 rounds fired through it.. The only issue I ever had was ammo related with cheap Tula hard primers not igniting in a handful of rounds..
I think a lot of guns are pretty accurate, the issue becomes how long can you shoot it before the barrel is bad or it's not made well and gets hot. I think the basic rifles a guy may use to shoot a groundhog should be something like this though.
I have a 20 inch non-110 stainless barrel from PSA and it really likes federal 175 SMK. Got pretty outstanding results last time i took it out with that stuff. Some certainly sub MOA but not all of them.
Ive had my PSA billet .308 "M110" for a year now. Have shot around a dozen different brands and weighs. My rifle enjoys 168gr. Shoots under 2MOA. The Hornady Black 168gr. holds a sweet spot of .8 - 1.2 MOA
I think in one group you had a flier, and it would be interesting with Nosler to have you just shoot 10 groups. On the 150gr, is it possible that the rifle is over gassed? Great video as always, very interesting.
My PSA 308 was very picky about what it liked. Hornady Match 178 would just about keep its shots touching at 100 yards. Everything else was better described as a shotgun pattern rather than a group. The only handload that I could get to shoot as well as the Hornady match was the Nosler Accubond LR 190 gr.
That rifle needs to shoot 110-168grain Ammo “if” it has a 1/10 twist, your scars , and other sniper rifles have a 1/12 twist for that heavy grain 175 -178 grain stuff, how I found this out was I have and old savage 110 tactical in 308 with a 1/10 twist barrel , and it shoots sun moa @ 100-500 yds with hornady 168 grain , it doesn’t shoot the 175-178 grain stuff as good. Several years ago I purchased a FN SPR A5M bolt action, it had the 1/12 twist barrel , it’s not as accurate as the savage I still have but it did like that 175 grain and the 178 grain stuff better. Ok now let’s talk AR’s I have a gen one sig 716 patrol with a rra trigger in it and that rifle has a 1/10 twist barrel, that gun will shoot M80 ball 147-150 grain fmj with sub MOA accuracy, I was really shocked it’s so accurate with a 16” barrel, maybe I have one that built on a Sunday, it would be cool for y’all to test those lol
My PA-10 in 308 with a 20 inch barrel shoots just under 2 moa with 165 gr rem core lokt tipped. I love the thing, I've had no malfunctions except two I D 10 T Errors.
I got my PSA M110 "clone" this past summer and tried quite a few 308 factory ammos through it. Using Hornady group calculator for best 9/10 shots for a group at 100y. It liked Federal GMM 175gr OTM at 1.3moa. The GMM 175gr SMK and 168gr SMK were both 1.7moa. AAC 175gr SMK was about 1.9moa It didnt like Black Hills 168gr (2.5moa) Hornady 178gr (3moa), Fiochii 168gr (3moa) AAC 147grain was close to a 4" group at 100y. I took it out to distance and walked it out to 600yards pretty well. Past that i need more practice for wind and spotting rounds. But so far its been a great gun.
@9HoleReviews Close enough for Government work. Other reviews have had decent to good groups with Federal GMM. I know Federal has always been the standard for factory ammo, but I wonder if there's more to it, such as the PSA barrel process. And I'm satisfied with GMM getting my rifle close to an actual 110 in groups.
While not the PSA m110, I had multiple people tell me that the HK 416 I was buying would never print decent groups or run any "non-military" ammo well. A few 1"-.72 moa groups later, turns out guns are not all made the same lol. It is crazy how a slightly different barrel shape, nut, or even muzzle device / suppressor can change the entire shooting profile of a rifle.
My son has a PSA-10 complete lower and a PSA-10 complete upper with 20 inch stainless heavy barrel. These parts were bought separately, not a complete rifle. It shot shoots MOA or better and isn't super finicky about ammo. $179 lower and $399 upper. My Aero M5 likes 168s over 178s.
The biggest thing i took away from this test was that all the bullets had very similar design. 170ish grainers. I'm sure you guys are aware that rifles can like different ammo and bullet design has the biggest impact. So maybe throw in some 150s 168 and 180-200 next time
@@eriklambert3809 If you were to buy the full rifle with the intent to trash the factory barrel/bolt for new ones, it makes more sense to build a ground up gun with better parts like aero receivers
This shows why on all boxes of ammo. Besides weight and velocity being shown. They will need to include appropriate or approximate barrel twist rates are advised for this type of ammo.
I gotta say, although not anywhere near top tier, my PSA sr25ish PA65 GEN 3 I got about 3 years ago puts a handload with a few different charge weights (varget, nosler brass berger 175s) into .75" groups consistently. Of course I bedded the barrel in and tossed in a lantac match bolt carrier, but I dont know how much different that made.
I have a PSA PA10 not the M110 clone. Comes with a Giesele 2 stage trigger. It is the updated Gen 3 with adjustable gas block. I've put a bit over 200 rounds through it. It does recoil pretty hard which kind of surprised me. I had been wanting to get the Sabre M110 clone, but the forged and not the billet version.
I've got the 6.5 creedmoor version and it will print 1/2 inch groups with AAC match ammo. Every 6.5 creedmoor version I've seen have been very accurate.
You see that's the thing. He never tested with AAC ammo. I've heard the scientists that work in the lab at AAC have analyzed the exact chamber dimensions of the PSA rifles and have matched the powder charge and seating depth to have the perfect amount of jump according to their laboratory testing of barrel harmonics. You could see how poorly the Ball ammo did. I'm speculating here, but I would imagine with the right barrel tuner you could cut that group in half and it would be just as good as the KAC.
I think anyone buying one of these and expecting them to shoot like a good bolt gun in the group department is going to be sorely disappointed. However as a budget DMR that can get you hits on a man to 700 yards, it can work ok. Personally, I would save up more money and go for something like an LMT MWS, but to each his own.
Factory ammo is why i reload. My 556 PSA 18" nitride with nothing "expensive fancy" added is a dream. Harris bipod. Nikon 12x. Magpul furniture. I have the reduced power spring kit and the polished milspec trigger set. Nothing fancy. Even bad ammo is under 2". My reloads from 55 to 75 I can expect 1" or less. I've been very hesitant about getting an "AR10" variant...for this reason.
I was pretty interested in the 110 Sabre but after this.... YIKES!!! Try it again with a variety of hunting ammo, supposedly it's sub moa with that stuff!!
Both of my PSA Gen3 with 2 stage triggers needed their gas blocks adjusted seriously! 1 in 6.5 and 1 in .308. After adjusting the gas block the 6.5 is amazing. The .308 is ammo picky. It loves Wolf steel!!! Which frustrates me. It also loves Hornady Black the most. I have shot multiple 5 shot groups under a 1/2" moa with it. I had a 20 shot group at 1.25. They can do it but adjust thatbgas block to find the sweet spot!
I own a S&W AR-10 with Federal GMM 150gr will shoot 5/8 in moa , under 1 moa with Federal fusion 150gr I have free-floated handguard 18in barrelled deer slayer!
I have a Mega build with a JP Barrel that is very very good with anything from 165 grain on up. (Actually it's just really good with any long, boat tail bullet, honestly) It shoots better than I can. M80 ball, however? Almost just like what you see this PSA do. Shotgun patterns. Now, I have ANOTHER Mega with ANOTHER JP barrel...but it's 18 inch instead of 22 inch. It's the only difference. Shoots the same M80 ball into 2 inch groups with no problem. I feel like, with the flat based bullet and the 1/10 twist barrels that velocity seems to be a component of the issue.
Guys, that barrel is loose. Circle strings are the sign. Remove, lap , torque to 65ftlbs. The ball ammo is getting tipped on the ramps. Find some federal eagle ball and notice the far shorter coal, and the magic consistency that will bring.
I own and shoot the same rifle in the 6.5 creedmoor configuration and it shoots a million times better…it’s simply amazing how different the two calibers shoot…i have not seen one single example of the 308 version that comes even remotely close to the 6.5 version…wild
From my experience i've noticed, the PSA ar10 barrels hate 7.62x51 based ammo, especially m80 ball. For sone reason though, they love 308 based ball ammo. I've had the same experience with the match grade ammo out of my pa10. Just random groups with any 76251 ammo
I was thinking about getting the PSA M110, but switching the guts out and swapping for a better barrel as well. It would void their warranty, but that was just what I was thinking lol
This video made the same mistake that a million accuracy testing videos have made prior to it. You have to shoot a round or two of the next ammo in to the berm, then your 5-round group, to kind of re-season the barrel to the next projectile and powder type. Otherwise, you usually get first round flyers.
Since you're doing affordable stuff can you do the Mossberg Patriot night train. It is considered to be the most affordable long-range set up out of the box and I'd like to see a good display of how accurate it can be.
Seeing that PSA rifle make a 6inch plus group at 100 yds immediately reminded me a story when I was at the range, and someone I knew was having trouble hitting a reduced torso target at 200 using a PSA AR10 and ball ammo. That same day, me and one other managed to semi consistently hit the same target using our red dotted AR15's at the same distance also with ball ammo
Alot of that depends on the gun. With PMC Bronze 5.56 (korean surplus m193) my Hk Mr556 holds like 1.25moa 10 shot groups. Its insanely good for cheap ball. Sometimes you just luck out and find she prefers beer over champaign
@@nateh2652 For clarification, this is not me slandering PSA, but the reason I remember this is because at the time, I was a much more novice shooter and hitting out to 200 yds was impressive to me and I was very confused how a seemingly good DMR was having trouble hitting the same target, so Henry having a 6inch plus group helps me understand what I could've been seeing that day
@RyuTheAsian47 cheap is cheap. Psa makes good stuff, but understand the limitations. A quality barrel is #1 and these guys just dont have that. A ton of other folks are chiming in saying a quality barrel swap makes these things into beasts. Remember, its a 1.5k psa trying to replicate a 10k Knights.
@@nateh2652 because there comes a point where you're not paying for more quality but just the retard brand. thats all it is. 10k knights is not only fucking stupid youd be an idiot to actually shell out that kind of cash for a meh gun.
My SCAR 17 shoots 2 MOA with M80 ball (MagTech). So, I'm pretty dang happy that I didn't get a budget rifle. If that's what you can afford, that's great. But this should show that those who 💩 on higher end rifles are generally coping.
My PSA is doing identical performance to Henrys....you will get a average group (5 shot)..then a few unexplainable flyers...This happens regardless of the shooter.... stretch it out to a 10 shot group it gets worse... everything is tight... multiple vetted scopes....I believe it is the bore on these barrels...I bet they have tight and loose spots in them....thus not stabilizing the bullets very well.
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Guys FYI we've decided after recording this video and the SCAR20 that we'll always shoot the 9-shot groups, really sorry they aren't here for these two but moving forward you'll see the high-round groups.
Hi guys. In my experience, if you change bullets or especially powder types, it can take a round or two for the POI to settle in its new location. Not always, but often. I think you saw some of that here. It would be a good idea to give each ammo type an off group fouling shot, or at least track if the first shot is consistently the outlier. Thanks!
I haven't been able to find an answer online but I'm wondering if the PSA Saber 10 barrel will fit a clone M110 gas block and muzzle break so I can get a clone M110 barrel suppressor on it.
I was wondering the same thing and asked that lol. @@andyshubert
Geez that M80 performance. Considering many buying this have lower budget range and will likely feed it more cheap ammo...
I mean it's okay for a rifle to do not as well with M80, but being that bad with it is simply unacceptable.
@@andyshubert Good point, I'd like to see this
I remember Hop from TFB trying a PSA .308 and finding out it liked Wolf the best.
I guess PSA knows their “bulk steel case” customers.
I've tried by best to find Wolf steel, not happening.
Wolf gold also used to be really consistent
Like really abnormally so
@@MyLonewolf25 Wasn't Wolf Gold .223 actually just rebadged Taiwanese milspec 5.56 ammo?
@@tstststs That is correct.
@@Ratkill9000 made in Russia
My PSA (non-M110) shoots match ammo 3-4 MOA, but will put 150gr hunting soft points into 3/4" (5 shot) groups. It's wild
Mine also (non m110) shoots 3-4 ish plus inch groups with match too. Going to swap out the barrel
I get sub-MOA from my PSA but only with Barnes TTSX, $60/20rds though...
2-4MOA with M80 ball
I had the same result with hunting rounds. Very wild.
dude should we have tried it with hunting ammo? I've never seen weird performance like this
@SuspiciousGanymede Post the 2moa with m80 or you're full of it
We can all thank Nutnfancy for buying the one case of M80 ball 15 years ago that happened to shoot some good groups in a couple rifles. From now on, the question will always be asked, "Yeah, but how does it shoot ball?
It's more down to cost and availability. If you're just plinking, you don't want to pay 50-100% more for "match" ammo that your gun may not even like and your retailer may not even carry.
Reloading is the answer: match grade ammo for M80 ball cost.
@@Borderline5440With one or two guns equivelent of an investment cost...
Wasn't he the guy that shot the hood of his truck because he forgot height over bore? Edit: I'm wrong, that was Sootch00 🤣
@Borderline5440 I work in the gun industry and run into this ALL THE TIME. Guys will buy a Scar20 or Hk Mr762 only to complain it wont shoot. Turns out theyre only willing to shoot the cheapest ammo they can find. I wish more people understood that garbage in ment garbage out.
That was sootch@@rhubarbpie2027
Josh’s initial facial reaction. 🤣
That’s reason enough to watch the video !
I would have the same face if I see a stainless steel bbl precision AR shot like that.
Shows CL barrel can be very accurate if done correctly. And a SS bbl doesn't mean anything by itself.
Oh yeah and the nightmare with M80.😂😂😂
3:08 I love the face makes Josh makes here.
me too lmao
I have this PSA. With regard to accuracy, mine tends to be ammo fussy. Mine shoots best with 175 gr. GMM, consistently 1 MOA with that load. I have shot about 10 different loads, including Federal M80, about 2-3 MOA with that balll ammo. Overall it is a 1.5-2. MOA rifle. I have shot steel out to 630 yards, no problem hitting what I am shooting at. For the price I’m satisfied. The rifle has been 100% reliable. The Schmid DLC trigger is the best version of that trigger I have used. Expectations should be realistic given the price point.
I have the same experience with mine
This is a helpful comment.
That receiver set with a premium barrel would be a pretty cool setup
Was just thinking that with a Criterion barrel.
or a Douglas barrel, either or.
Its a decent upper lower. Barrel is trash. Bought one anyways, yarded the barrel and BCG for a Shilen barrel and matched bolt head, swapped the carrier for a Lantac enhanced. For a sub 1500 308, its cool. But for a stripped upper and lower for below 350, be even cooler.
Only other “easy” to get slant back receivers are the Zev Tec kit (which is superb) in my opinion.
That’s what I did. Put a 24 inch 6.5 creedmoor barrel on it from Krieger and it prints 3/4 MOA
there are some cheap blem Stag10 sets on Aeros website currently. They’re slant cut
My PSA Sabre has been sent back twice on reliability issues. Got it back and it worked for one range trip flawlessly. Now I went and the firing pin broke. I probably could’ve gotten a DD with the amount of range and time I’ve invested in this metal paperweight.
In all 3 of my 308 semi's I'll replace the firing pin with a geissele super duty ar10 firing pin and keep the included firing pin as backup. Ar10s are known to chew through poor quality firing pins.
Budget groups from a budget rifle... what a concept
Saved me 11 minutes…thanks. That’s what I figured.
@@goodbonezz1289shame on you for not knowing otherwise
To be fair bolt guns for less money have shot better than the psa m110
@@davebrown6483That’s not surprising at all. You’re comparing a bolt gun to a semi auto. A 1k bolt gun will beat nearly any semi auto at grouping lmao
Josh's face was so expressive with the groupings.
Good call grinding the PSA rail and not the Knights Rail covers 👍🏾
I don't see the point
Those rail covers are awful and they're everywhere
Knights doesn't even do plastic injection molding; they didn't make them
im liking this new format of you guys just shooting and chilling out
Henry out there crushing my dreams of being movie level accurate with any rifle
4:55 It sure did like that. So much that it made a smiley face.
How could you not like the second group? It was a perfect smiley face
Remember when comparing accuracy to an KAC rifle to divide the group size by 2 to convert to a KAC MOA. Therefore al those groups are sub MOA. KACs definition of MOA accuracy when contesting their accuracy guarantee, is that it is a deviation from the point of aim. A 2 MOA group is only 1 MOA off the point of aim, therefore 1 MOA group.
So its like PSA owners calculating accuracy? Hitting a 1 MOA target 1 time means its a 1 MOA all day gun. 😅
More like PSA owners calculating quality control. Even though your FSB is so crooked you can’t hit paper at 25M and the gas tube is so bent it’s smacking the side of the gas key, it’s a quality rifle.
@@joesephkingston1621 if it fires 120rds = “Thousands of rounds no malfunctions”
Sounds like someone is pissin’ in the wind. Do they do reach arounds for that price?
@@ronenton4037 Thousand rounds with zero malfunctions, but had 28 magazine failures.
They said soon and they delivered! Let's go, can't wait to watch this!
“What do you guys think a rifle grouping like this at distance is going to do?” - Josh
Me - “miss.”
00:37 "... group well(S)"? This was a nice one, Josh 😁
I really hope it performs well for the price. I dont expect it to outshoot a 6k+ rifle but if its accurized well beyond an average ar-10 its worth it for the price.
I have one of these and my buddy is shooting it. I heard there were issues with the gassing and burrs in the barrel that took nearly 100 rounds and constant cleaning to correct. Looks like you guys had much better luck with yours.
Standard barrel break in (per the Military manuals) is to be expected. Trust me, I never bothered breaking in barrels until I started shooting long range.
Would be awesome to see you guys shoot through loopholes and set up more real world engagement scenarios. A target mounted to an RC car moving laterally and all kinds of interesting things you could do.
I have the PSA M110 clone used here, groups between 1.0 and 1.5 depending on the ammo and weight. 168s work well, 175s are 1 or below but 147s group like hammered shit. 6 inch groups with that stuff.
EDIT: Apparently alot of people have a very similar result you guys got as well as my findings. The gun is super ammo picky but works very well once you find what it likes, ive seen tons of videos of it grouping ball like a worn out ak. No idea why that is, but I've been able to get FGMM 168/175 and AAC 168/175 for a good price and that stuff works in my rifle so i can't complain.
As a Mock-110 owner, I couldn't get anything under about 2" with 175gr, didn't matter who made the round. The best consistent tight groups I've had, has been with: FGMM 168gr, S&B 168gr, and AAC 168gr with a Sierra bullet.
S&B 168 was surprisingly good out of my Axis as well.
Josh is the '9 Hole Reviews', 'Uncle Roger'-- *FUIYOH!!*
Edited to say: It is high time for an "Uncle Roger/Cousin Larry" collab! 😏
For my range ammo I use Aguila 150gr 7.62x51 and was able to group sub 1.5” with 10 round groups consistently. I use Hornady Whitetail 150gr for most of my hog hunting and have had the same results. Sub 2” groupings consistently.
Yeah I was able to get close to a 1” group at 100yds with the águila 150gr. My non M110 pa10 seemed to really like it.
Will you do similar testing on PSA's mk12 clone
I was gonna ask this as well. If/when Wa takes its head from out its ass and repeals the awb, i was gonna get the mk12 mod0 sabre upper.
Mine does about 1.2 - 1.5 inches with AAC 77gr.
@TheDraeg thanks for the data point
So awesome! Running the NL 10x42s right now. Would love the extra magnification!
Well it's a Budget M110 they skimped on the barrel to lower costs. It would be interesting to see how a $200-$300 premium barrel would perform in this rifle. Even with the base rifle cost of $1,500 adding $300 worth of premium barrel would still be under $2,000 for the build and you would have 2 barrel's. If you sold the PSA barrel for $200 that would bring the rifle cost with the new barrel down to $1,600 or so. There's just so many options available for the AR-10 that you can really go in any direction here.
That factory barrel probably doesn't cost anywhere near $200, so getting $200 for it secondhand is wildly optimistic.
@Borderline5440 go shop around for AR-10 barrels and see what you can find for what price. Even if you had to reduce the price down to $100 that's still better than a complete loss.
The PSA rifle comes with various barrel options, it happens the one they have here is the cheapest base 4150cv barrel, but they have AR10's available with a 416R barrel which tends to be more accurate, but they also have other options such as a Faxon Match barrel and they have also had FN CHF CL barrels for a few years also..
I have PSA's cheapest AK, the GF3 and I can shoot anywhere from 2-4MOA groups with just cheap Russian steel cased Barnaul ammo, and that is a freaking AK shooting really cheap 7.62X39 steel cased stuff..
I'm not a good shooter at all when it comes to experience, barely shoot it and don't practice often, but when I first bought the PSA AK it only had Irons on it and believe it or not they were right on out of the box and the front sight was not canted at all, which is common with AK'S, but anyway I put 4inch shotgun clays on the berm at a 100 yard range , so it would be likely about 110 yards out and I was consistently hitting the 4in clays with Irons, and that was the first time I had shot the gun and before that I had not touched a rifle in several years other than an occasional AR and a Ruger 10/22, so again I'm certainly not what is considered a "good" shot..
Perhaps I just got lucky and got a really good example PSA budget base model AK $600? Oh and it has been 100% reliable so far with about 800 rounds fired through it.. The only issue I ever had was ammo related with cheap Tula hard primers not igniting in a handful of rounds..
I think a lot of guns are pretty accurate, the issue becomes how long can you shoot it before the barrel is bad or it's not made well and gets hot. I think the basic rifles a guy may use to shoot a groundhog should be something like this though.
I have a 20 inch non-110 stainless barrel from PSA and it really likes federal 175 SMK. Got pretty outstanding results last time i took it out with that stuff. Some certainly sub MOA but not all of them.
So my PSA M110 puts one hole all 5 rnds fired OR only one rnd hits the target & 4 complete fliers off the target 😂.
Ive had my PSA billet .308 "M110" for a year now. Have shot around a dozen different brands and weighs. My rifle enjoys 168gr. Shoots under 2MOA. The Hornady Black 168gr. holds a sweet spot of .8 - 1.2 MOA
I knew it was gonna be bad when the camera zoomed out for the ball group 😂
I think in one group you had a flier, and it would be interesting with Nosler to have you just shoot 10 groups. On the 150gr, is it possible that the rifle is over gassed?
Great video as always, very interesting.
My PSA 308 was very picky about what it liked. Hornady Match 178 would just about keep its shots touching at 100 yards. Everything else was better described as a shotgun pattern rather than a group. The only handload that I could get to shoot as well as the Hornady match was the Nosler Accubond LR 190 gr.
That rifle needs to shoot 110-168grain Ammo “if” it has a 1/10 twist, your scars , and other sniper rifles have a 1/12 twist for that heavy grain 175 -178 grain stuff, how I found this out was I have and old savage 110 tactical in 308 with a 1/10 twist barrel , and it shoots sun moa @ 100-500 yds with hornady 168 grain , it doesn’t shoot the 175-178 grain stuff as good. Several years ago I purchased a FN SPR A5M bolt action, it had the 1/12 twist barrel , it’s not as accurate as the savage I still have but it did like that 175 grain and the 178 grain stuff better. Ok now let’s talk AR’s I have a gen one sig 716 patrol with a rra trigger in it and that rifle has a 1/10 twist barrel, that gun will shoot M80 ball 147-150 grain fmj with sub MOA accuracy, I was really shocked it’s so accurate with a 16” barrel, maybe I have one that built on a Sunday, it would be cool for y’all to test those lol
Good info, always first class, thanks
Clint Smith says pick the ammo you want to shoot and trade guns until you get one that shoots it well.
I do this except i cant bring myself to trade off guns😂
Clint Smith must have had a shitload of money.
My PA-10 in 308 with a 20 inch barrel shoots just under 2 moa with 165 gr rem core lokt tipped.
I love the thing, I've had no malfunctions except two I D 10 T Errors.
GREAT stuff guys.
Going for that iconic smiley face from Lethal Weapon with the 2nd group, huh? ;)
That skeptical Asian Dad face at :30 had me rolling
New cast!🎉🎉
I got my PSA M110 "clone" this past summer and tried quite a few 308 factory ammos through it. Using Hornady group calculator for best 9/10 shots for a group at 100y.
It liked Federal GMM 175gr OTM at 1.3moa. The GMM 175gr SMK and 168gr SMK were both 1.7moa.
AAC 175gr SMK was about 1.9moa
It didnt like Black Hills 168gr (2.5moa) Hornady 178gr (3moa), Fiochii 168gr (3moa)
AAC 147grain was close to a 4" group at 100y.
I took it out to distance and walked it out to 600yards pretty well. Past that i need more practice for wind and spotting rounds. But so far its been a great gun.
so pretty close to what we're seeing
@9HoleReviews Close enough for Government work. Other reviews have had decent to good groups with Federal GMM. I know Federal has always been the standard for factory ammo, but I wonder if there's more to it, such as the PSA barrel process. And I'm satisfied with GMM getting my rifle close to an actual 110 in groups.
Nice smile face print on that second group! 😂
The 9 Hole-Uncle Roger collab is gonna be sick!
While not the PSA m110, I had multiple people tell me that the HK 416 I was buying would never print decent groups or run any "non-military" ammo well. A few 1"-.72 moa groups later, turns out guns are not all made the same lol. It is crazy how a slightly different barrel shape, nut, or even muzzle device / suppressor can change the entire shooting profile of a rifle.
That's an AK's grouping 😂 based as always Henry, never change.
My son has a PSA-10 complete lower and a PSA-10 complete upper with 20 inch stainless heavy barrel. These parts were bought separately, not a complete rifle. It shot shoots MOA or better and isn't super finicky about ammo. $179 lower and $399 upper. My Aero M5 likes 168s over 178s.
The biggest thing i took away from this test was that all the bullets had very similar design. 170ish grainers. I'm sure you guys are aware that rifles can like different ammo and bullet design has the biggest impact. So maybe throw in some 150s 168 and 180-200 next time
168 maybe, but this is in appropriate to shoot 200's, also the is not a common projectile for LR applications with 7.62 NATO
I’ve always wanted an M110 for 1500 this is definitely going into the safe.
Worth the $?
After watching...no.
Well, depends. Just have to factor in a barrel and bolt. You can still do 2 of these with barrels and setup for cheaper than the Scar20
This is also the billet version and not the forged. Forged has the forward assist.
@@eriklambert3809 If you were to buy the full rifle with the intent to trash the factory barrel/bolt for new ones, it makes more sense to build a ground up gun with better parts like aero receivers
You guys absolutely rock
This shows why on all boxes of ammo. Besides weight and velocity being shown. They will need to include appropriate or approximate barrel twist rates are advised for this type of ammo.
That ball ammo shooting is still better group then the upper I got off of delta team tactical with match grade ammo through it
I gotta say, although not anywhere near top tier, my PSA sr25ish PA65 GEN 3 I got about 3 years ago puts a handload with a few different charge weights (varget, nosler brass berger 175s) into .75" groups consistently. Of course I bedded the barrel in and tossed in a lantac match bolt carrier, but I dont know how much different that made.
pretty sure barrel twist is for 168 grain ammo. My POF shoots dime size groups with 168 and it opens up if I go down to 150grain.
Nice Seamaster, Henry! 👍
I have a PSA PA10 not the M110 clone. Comes with a Giesele 2 stage trigger. It is the updated Gen 3 with adjustable gas block. I've put a bit over 200 rounds through it. It does recoil pretty hard which kind of surprised me. I had been wanting to get the Sabre M110 clone, but the forged and not the billet version.
My reactions was about the same with ball ammo, but there is that some, time,rifle, will be able to just do just right
I've got the 6.5 creedmoor version and it will print 1/2 inch groups with AAC match ammo. Every 6.5 creedmoor version I've seen have been very accurate.
You see that's the thing. He never tested with AAC ammo. I've heard the scientists that work in the lab at AAC have analyzed the exact chamber dimensions of the PSA rifles and have matched the powder charge and seating depth to have the perfect amount of jump according to their laboratory testing of barrel harmonics. You could see how poorly the Ball ammo did. I'm speculating here, but I would imagine with the right barrel tuner you could cut that group in half and it would be just as good as the KAC.
Loves 168 gr. OTMs also they come in with the gas turned up
Psa has the armalite M153GN18 on sale for 999$ you should get it and do a video on that rifle I absolutely love mine it's my favorite I have
Day one of demanding Josh's reactions as a little inset in every one of these videos moving forward.
When he said " the best" i damn near fell out my seat😂
I think anyone buying one of these and expecting them to shoot like a good bolt gun in the group department is going to be sorely disappointed. However as a budget DMR that can get you hits on a man to 700 yards, it can work ok. Personally, I would save up more money and go for something like an LMT MWS, but to each his own.
Factory ammo is why i reload. My 556 PSA 18" nitride with nothing "expensive fancy" added is a dream. Harris bipod. Nikon 12x. Magpul furniture. I have the reduced power spring kit and the polished milspec trigger set. Nothing fancy.
Even bad ammo is under 2". My reloads from 55 to 75 I can expect 1" or less.
I've been very hesitant about getting an "AR10" variant...for this reason.
I was pretty interested in the 110 Sabre but after this.... YIKES!!! Try it again with a variety of hunting ammo, supposedly it's sub moa with that stuff!!
Both of my PSA Gen3 with 2 stage triggers needed their gas blocks adjusted seriously! 1 in 6.5 and 1 in .308. After adjusting the gas block the 6.5 is amazing. The .308 is ammo picky. It loves Wolf steel!!! Which frustrates me. It also loves Hornady Black the most. I have shot multiple 5 shot groups under a 1/2" moa with it. I had a 20 shot group at 1.25. They can do it but adjust thatbgas block to find the sweet spot!
I made the exact same face at the exact same time as Josh with that second shot. LOL
Oh my, that Ball grouping
Man, that Last group.... it just hurt LoL
It's all about the barrel. My Aero M5 with a Lilja barrel holds half inch groups with my hand loads.
It's the same thing Colt did with the AR15a4 clone and they charged a lot of money for none clone .
I own a S&W AR-10 with Federal GMM 150gr will shoot 5/8 in moa , under 1 moa with Federal fusion 150gr I have free-floated handguard 18in barrelled deer slayer!
I have a Mega build with a JP Barrel that is very very good with anything from 165 grain on up. (Actually it's just really good with any long, boat tail bullet, honestly) It shoots better than I can. M80 ball, however? Almost just like what you see this PSA do. Shotgun patterns. Now, I have ANOTHER Mega with ANOTHER JP barrel...but it's 18 inch instead of 22 inch. It's the only difference. Shoots the same M80 ball into 2 inch groups with no problem. I feel like, with the flat based bullet and the 1/10 twist barrels that velocity seems to be a component of the issue.
I no fucking joke clicked on to your profile to comment asking for y’all to review one of these.
Guys, that barrel is loose. Circle strings are the sign. Remove, lap , torque to 65ftlbs. The ball ammo is getting tipped on the ramps. Find some federal eagle ball and notice the far shorter coal, and the magic consistency that will bring.
Love your KAK grip
I own and shoot the same rifle in the 6.5 creedmoor configuration and it shoots a million times better…it’s simply amazing how different the two calibers shoot…i have not seen one single example of the 308 version that comes even remotely close to the 6.5 version…wild
Haha minute of TORSO! GEEEEZ
From my experience i've noticed, the PSA ar10 barrels hate 7.62x51 based ammo, especially m80 ball.
For sone reason though, they love 308 based ball ammo.
I've had the same experience with the match grade ammo out of my pa10. Just random groups with any 76251 ammo
That would lead me to believe the barrel is out of spec. It probably shoots flat based bullets better.
I get sub moa out of 175 grain sierra match kings (hpbt). Already killed 2 hoga with this rifle, shits great.
Need to get an SRCartel gas block so you can run the M110 suppressor
I was thinking about getting the PSA M110, but switching the guts out and swapping for a better barrel as well. It would void their warranty, but that was just what I was thinking lol
Dear Josh: Hornady is not "Hornaday" 😝
thx for the video
Thanks for saving my money.
These kinds of results make me want to remove the barrel, accurize the upper, reinstall the barrel with proper torque specs, and regroup.
This video made the same mistake that a million accuracy testing videos have made prior to it. You have to shoot a round or two of the next ammo in to the berm, then your 5-round group, to kind of re-season the barrel to the next projectile and powder type. Otherwise, you usually get first round flyers.
Since you're doing affordable stuff can you do the Mossberg Patriot night train. It is considered to be the most affordable long-range set up out of the box and I'd like to see a good display of how accurate it can be.
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Henry's fried rice doesn't cut the mustard, bring on Uncle Roger to lay down some sub moa fried rice!
Try some Federal 150 gr soft points(blue box), that stuff shoots amazingly well from many rifles.
Seeing that PSA rifle make a 6inch plus group at 100 yds immediately reminded me a story when I was at the range, and someone I knew was having trouble hitting a reduced torso target at 200 using a PSA AR10 and ball ammo. That same day, me and one other managed to semi consistently hit the same target using our red dotted AR15's at the same distance also with ball ammo
Alot of that depends on the gun. With PMC Bronze 5.56 (korean surplus m193) my Hk Mr556 holds like 1.25moa 10 shot groups. Its insanely good for cheap ball. Sometimes you just luck out and find she prefers beer over champaign
@@nateh2652 For clarification, this is not me slandering PSA, but the reason I remember this is because at the time, I was a much more novice shooter and hitting out to 200 yds was impressive to me and I was very confused how a seemingly good DMR was having trouble hitting the same target, so Henry having a 6inch plus group helps me understand what I could've been seeing that day
@RyuTheAsian47 cheap is cheap. Psa makes good stuff, but understand the limitations. A quality barrel is #1 and these guys just dont have that. A ton of other folks are chiming in saying a quality barrel swap makes these things into beasts. Remember, its a 1.5k psa trying to replicate a 10k Knights.
@@nateh2652 because there comes a point where you're not paying for more quality but just the retard brand. thats all it is. 10k knights is not only fucking stupid youd be an idiot to actually shell out that kind of cash for a meh gun.
My SCAR 17 shoots 2 MOA with M80 ball (MagTech). So, I'm pretty dang happy that I didn't get a budget rifle. If that's what you can afford, that's great. But this should show that those who 💩 on higher end rifles are generally coping.
That thing groups exactly like my Bergara 20”. The only ammo I’ve found that shoots under a minute is the s&b 168 otm, or hand loads
My PSA is doing identical performance to Henrys....you will get a average group (5 shot)..then a few unexplainable flyers...This happens regardless of the shooter.... stretch it out to a 10 shot group it gets worse... everything is tight... multiple vetted scopes....I believe it is the bore on these barrels...I bet they have tight and loose spots in them....thus not stabilizing the bullets very well.