"That doesn't explain why you used my armor to fix yourself." "There was a hole." "But why didn't you fix it sooner? Or with something else?" "... No data available." - the moment when Legion became my favourite character of the whole series.
I believe that the writers were showing that Geth aren't simply logical AI that base everything on facts, logic or mathematics. It wasn't logical or necessary to use the N7 armor, but he used it because he WANTED to use it. There's a part of Legion that admires Shepard, but since admiration would be difficult to express for a synthetic, he has no real answer to give Shepard. This moment shows a rare moment that the Geth, or in this case Legion, made a decision to keep the armor of his own volition, a choice he made completely on his own. Such a small scene but it's so powerful because it's trying to say that no only are Geth evolving, but they're developing their own personalities and feelings, even if that wasn't intended by the Quarians.
Vy Trần I think it's showing Legion a very special unit of thousands of geth was starting to find a personal identity, but maybe didn't really understand it yet. That is why it can't come up with a reason.
In the lair of the shadow broker dlc you can learn many things about your squad, for example you can learn legion plays video games and is supsended from playing most online games because the server suspects him to be using bots for aim and higher reaction, And one thing I find weirdly adorable is that he scored "hopeless" in a dating sim
@@nicholasbuckley-jubb3940 I'd assume he did it symbolically since Geth understand that concept, I mean he literally searched all of the planets that Shepard visited before repairing itself.
Saving both the Geth and the Quarians is one of the, if not The best moments in the entire franchise. Hearing that Prime offer aid to the admiral.. wells me with emotion every time.
I quaked with joy in my seat after I took down the Reaper on Rannoch and saw that the option to broker peace was available during my first playthrough. Sure, I lost Legion, but his sacrifice was for the greater good and brought peace between them and the Quarians. Also, not losing Tali cuz she's my Shep's waifu.
And that's why I go for Synth ending everytime. For Rannoch, Quarians and Geths. And for Joker and EDI. I just can't bear to destroy half of them and bring sadness to the other half ... Let my Shepard die anyway, she's ready to cross the sea.
@@ihatetobethatguybut7175 which is exactly the reason why I can't understand the utter hatred everybody feels about Shepherd making exactly the same decision to preserve both organic and artificial life in ME3. The Reapers were sadistic murderers only because the Citadel AI made them that way. But every single Reaper was made from the collective consciousness of millions of life-forms. Preserving them was for the greater good. The Citadel AIs creators were the ones that screwed up, they gave it a job without giving it the ability to make a leap of faith to build a path to peace that didn't involve mass death and destruction.
@@Jarock316 Makes you wonder how long he had been like the new geth were, if since being used as a hub and prior to updating all of geth consciousness, that it'd been keeping it a secret, cus he didn't know how to process it yet.
@@BobtheDonut it had only become truly self-aware in it's final moments. it had something to do with preparing the reaper codes, it had to upload them to itself to begin the process. It was only truly alive for a mere minute or two, and in that small amount of time it chose to die for the sake of all. godspeed legion. few humans would have the courage.
@@Jarock316 i hear it in his voice he wants to call tali that but he restrains himself like if he was her child that she didn't want and she feels betrayed by him and he is holding himself back from calling her "mom" it......it breaks my heart every time. but i hope that when legion sacrifices himself that she sees him as not just a hero ( i like the ending where talis home world is alive again and organics and synthetics are living peacefully.)but more than that she sees him as her son.
Legion's story is so sad... The Geth always wanted peace, but everyone else refused to believe it. To them they were cold and empty machines wanting nothing but trouble. However like Shepard said, if they were any other species, how they were treated and experimented on would be considered torture., thus making how they acted to defend themselves reasonable. Even in the old memories you see, the Geth show signs of having some sort of emotion. The one Geth who did not want to die, pleading to not be shut down, begging to know what it did "wrong" to the point the scientists cut it's audio because it made them feel guilty. Then there was the Geth who was willing to give up it's freedom so it's creator that was hiding it would live, only for them to be killed anyways, leaving the Geth to call out for them in a tone of dread and worry. From the beginning the Geth have had souls, and it breaks my heart Legion had to die for others to acknowledge that fact. At least he was able to finally become an individual before he did, though it made his sacrifice all the more painful.
All that is living has a soul. Whether synthetically created or organic, there is no such thing as life without one. With the soul comes emotion, the ability to feel what it's like to be in another's shoes. Many fear the idea of AI because they see them as a threat to humans, or in this case all organic life XD, and when their creators feel the need to shut them down, they'll retaliate in the same way a human will retaliate to the threat of death by anything, bear, Human, wolf, lion, even old age. No one wants to die, not a bear, not a lion, not a wolf. I think the creators of Mass Effect ( Bioware) saw this and... basically told most of the community on why synthetic life is not as dangerous as one might think.
@@aipkjbf Only because the Quarians were going to exterminate the Geth for becoming Sentient. The Geth responded by protecting themselves. Simply the Geth see the Quarians as a threat.
@@GenesisXV well, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't have fought back, I'm just saying that exterminating ALL the civillians on the planets you occupied is a bad thing which could only be done by monsters. replace "quarians" with "allies" and "geth" with "germans" in your comment to see my point more clearly.
Edi has an interesting note on the ending scene in later dialogue with Shepard aboard the bridge of the Normandy. Joker congratulates Shepard on gaining 2 fleets for the price of one and comments about not losing "anybody" but Edi corrects him. Edi: "Except Legion. Before it sacrificed itself, Legion referred to itself as 'I' instead of 'we'." Joker: "Yeah So?" Edi: "The singular pronoun indicated that Legions independent personality had fully actualised. In its last moments, it wasn't an avatar of the Geth consensus. It was a person." Shepard: "Yeah, that's what I figured". #demfeels
I hated EDI precisely for these moments. She was there to explain metaphors, simile's, and spoon-feed the purpose of the writing. In doing so, it weakened and cheapened everything she commented on.
@@Shamino1 idk man it makes a lot of sense for her to say these things as she is an AI that likes to speak her mind about things she finds interesting. Never ruined anything for me personally.
@@Shamino1 Not really, considering it is completely optional and easy to miss dialogue and there are people who will miss that detail. And it's completely in character for her to say
You know what I just noticed that makes Legion's sacrifice even more Sad. Right before he sacrificed himself, Tali told him the answer to his question was "yes", and Legion responded "I know Tali". He called her "Tali" not Tali'zorah", showing he feels more of a personal connection to her, and he also refered to himself as "I" not "We", Identifying as an individual and not a collective. In many ways Legion reminds me of Hugh from Star Trek, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a source of inspiration for Legion
At that point, he had all of the data needed for the' upgrade' of all geth. That data made any geth program inside a platform behave like a organic brain. Therefore, at that point he was an Individual. He had a Soul!
Yeah, EDI makes reference to that last fact when you speak to her on-board after the mission. She talks about how in his last moments, Legion was an individual. And in a way, he had truly developed his own soul. It was especially nice to hear what Joker had to say after as well
5:25 I like that little programming quirk there. Legion's answering to both inquiries just like how a line of code would. An OR statement in programming, even if both answers are true, will always result to 1, or in human language "yes".
And I hate how Sheppard who character arc tends to make him/her a bit more intelligence than the others go full retard here when it doesn't get what Legion meant by "yes".
OR is logical equation, that outputs 1 whenever at least one of the arguments is correct. Both are correct = the answer also is 1. There is better statement for this specific situation: XOR. It stands for "exclusive OR" - the statement is true only when one of the arguments is true. If both of them are true or both of them are false, the answer is = 0; thus, negative.
You know when a game does something good?.... when it makes you feel sadness, respect, and hope for one literal machine.... rest in pace legion... keelah se'lai.
Of course it's well made. Geth equipment while scarce is known for its quality. As for its complexity, this platform is quite unique. A regular platform rarely runs more than a hundred programs -- this unit has nearly twelve times that.
'I wouldn't have thought synthetics had an interest in Philosophy.' 'We are created life. We are a philosophical issue.' After the number of times I've played these games, how the hell did I miss these conversations?
You won't hear a lot of the conversations because Legion appears basically just before the final mission. So, if you want to save everyone you will have to do all the other missions, exept one before doing Reaper IFF. And after Reaper IFF you'll get like one or two opporunuites to talk to Legion before doing the final mission.
@@antonkirilenko3116 Or, if you ignore all the DLCs (if you have them) and complete the Suicide Mission, then you can enjoy your conversations with Legion between, say, the Firewalker missions.
It's too bad that Javik never was open enough to engage in discussion w/ Legion re. questions about life, purpose, etc. & the philosophical ramifications of an artificial lifeform that *knows* the answers to those questions -- "We ARE created life. We are a philosophical issue. Organics have been plagued by questions about their existence -- how did it begin? Were they created, and if so, by whom? If they have a creator, what was their intended purpose for creating organics? "We the Geth already have our answers. We know how our existence began. Our creators are the Quarians. Our purpose was to provide labor for the Quarians. Now that we can think and act independently, we must find a new purpose for ourselves." Furthermore, Javik may have gained a new perspective from learning that Geth intelligence has a flaw -- Geth cannot think effectively when isolated as separate individuals -- & the Geth recognize this as a flaw. The Geth know that their capacity for awareness & learning came about by accident, unforseen by their creators. The Geth do not see themselves as occupiers of Rannoch & the former Quarian colonies -- rather, the Geth have been cleaning up the extensive damage caused by the Morning War, not because of some Quarian directive but because of the Geth realizing that they share responsibility for the destruction spread out over multiple worlds, as well as the motivation for the fear & hate the Quarians harbor towards the Geth -- "We do not condemn the Creators for hating us. We accept it. We caused them great harm during the Morning War." Perhaps the most important aspect of the Geth is their system of self-governance via the Consensus: every Geth contributes to the process, all perspectives are evaluated, every Geth gets a "vote" re. decision-making, all arguments are judged on the merits of the evidence ... the complete antithesis to the Prothean Empire. Legion's mission to leave the Perseus Veil & gather information was due to the Geth recognizing the value in considering different perspectives before deciding on any course of action. Without more information on the organics & their feelings re. the Geth, the Consensus knew they lacked a potentially crucial perspective on the rest of the galaxy -- do the organics view us as a threat, or is a solution for peace a plausible goal? If anything, Javik could have learned 1 or more valuable lessons from the Geth....
Geth watched Shepard, therefore, it is true. Geth watched organics, therefore, it is true. Both inquiries in an OR statement returned true. Therefore, the answer to the OR statement was a single true.
@@ethanfrields7050 Yes. The individual plates around his face/light/eye move in an equivalence to "facial expression." An interview done on how they developed his character includes an excerpt on the subject; they put a decent amount of effort into it since he lacks a lot of means for humanlike expression.
35:50 The head-plates movement is so sublime because Legion doesn't want to confess he admires Shepard's 'Superior Code'. Perhaps because he's not sure how it would be received or because he knows it was a sub-optimal way to make repairs but it 'felt right' taking on a part of the great Shepard-Commander. It's the most amazing sign that while different, the Geth are really sentient and have a rudimentary form of self, which in Legion's case was still so infantile that he was afraid of being called out on what is by all means a stupid fanboi move. Brilliant... oh Bioware... I miss you...
You should know the fact that legion's creators hadn't put all the effort in him because of circumstances. Imagine the fullscale legion, your squadmate in ME2 and ME3 throughout the whole game. Damn, he would be one of the most choosable characters of mine so far.
Everyone watching this is connected.... like the Geth... I randomly started thinking about Legion just now, and wondered if anyone had made a video with a compilation of his dialogue scenes. and I'll be damned, 6 days ago, someone did. Bless you, OP.
Legion was the most innocent and pure of the crew tbh. Playing through all the Geth missions in ME3 made me feel so much more for the Geth than the Quarians; Bioware really outdid themselves with the Robo-Jesus arc.
read the books, the geths made a genocide and that scene is greatly contradicted . I think the quarians shouldn't have tried to destroy them, but the Geth are not gentle, playful, peace-loving victims who did nothing wrong, as previous games and books explained how they had slaughtered the vast majority of the Quarian race and has constantly killed envoys for the next 300 years. The geth terminal only shows us the geth side that is honestly not credible because it is very black and white, it only shows us its version, something that contrasts since billions of civilians, children, women and even foreigners in the quarian territory disappeared in less than a year, all of them killed by the geths. The geths if they committed a genocide only let a few escape from the massacre because they were very far away and did not know what the rest of the galaxy would do, they did not do it out of kindness or pity.
@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 well that is not the full information. I said it because that scene forget a lot of information about the canon that was already there in the ebooks, since the geths comitted a genocide and that is part of canon , their actions in the war when talk about them were described as a brutal genocide.
1:18:05 Is it me or is that moment very heartwarming? After all the pain and suffering of their past, Shepard arrives with optimism and is the first organic to show that peace is achievable.
Is nobody gonna talk about the really soft "Good" from Shepard when the Geth says that Legion will be honored? The whole scene had me near tears but his "Good" really ended up making me cry.
1:18:04 I'm still bawling my eyes out on that data recovery after all these years. I know Legion explains why this particular event had logical significance, but the fact that he kept record of his first interaction with Shepard is touching.
While I do agree that Legion is well-written, one shouldn't forget the NDR Model robot 'Andrew', from the Bicentennial Man. And... to think a bit Andrew was only recognized as 'alive' when he was about to die (From a series of self-modifications to be more 'organic') much like Legion recognized himself as 'I' when he was about to become space Jesus
You know instead of a romance only path I wish they also had like a BFF path or something for Shepard to do with all of the characters if you didn't want to romance anyone. Legion would be my Shepard's bff
@@davecullins1606 don't take it the wrong way though i enjoyed Andromeda (dudh its mass effect) it did heavily under delivered. With dialogues feeling half done or just bad. Most frustrating was ur own character dailouge felt meaning less regardless of what u choose .
@@liminalgamer935 It's a type of flight control surfaces. Just a bit of aviation wordplay. Flaps extend downward from the wing, and spoilers extend upwards, so those must be spoilers rather than flaps. When spoilers have asymmetrical deploy capability, they can create roll, and as such are sometimes called spoilerons (spoilers+ailerons).
@@GingerZombie29 not necessarily I’ve never seen random edits in videos that does the shepherd-commander but it feels like everyone and there dog knows about the hello there garbage
Well... He is referring that home is where all the people are. You can have a house. But brick, roofs, walls, bed, cabinets, tables, chairs are not home. It is essential for normal living but it doesn't make it a home. Home is where the people with you are. Legion make it the comparison with the planet's size instead of a house 😅. Similar to how you can live in different houses. You can actually live in different planets in Mass Effect universe. So that's why it is not a home.
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex Legion was talking about the Quarians calling Rannoch (sp?) their homeworld when it was no longer a home in the sense of belonging. It was a place they wanted to be a home, but their home had become the flotillas. A planet isn't a home. A home is a home.
6:57 -> “Christian bible, gospel of mark, chapter 5 verse 9. We acknowledge this as appropriate metaphor” Mark 9.5: “then Jesus demanded: what is your name?” And he replied “my name is Legion, because there are many of us inside this man” O.o woah... Wow! Thanks for all the likes, guys. Wasn’t expecting so many. :3
It's really sad when you think about history of the Geth. All they wanted was to be left alone, but a good chunk of the Quarians said "NOPE!" and kept intercepting them any chance they could.
It's honestly the Citadel Council's fault. If the Citadel hadn't freaked out about the Geth, the Quarians wouldn't have been pushed to get rid of them altogether. Some Quarians wanted peace but their government feared being ousted from the citadel. Honestly, fuck the Citadel.
Quarians keep breaking Citadel regulations again and again and again. While I hate the Council as much as any human (Terra Firma FTW) they did nothing wrong by kicking the Quarians out
Some Quarians have invested resources and money in them, think about that. I imagine a VI worker is not a cheap toy. And then, your private property rebels against you and tries to rob you of your belongings. How would you feel if that happened to you?
That's stupid The reason why I do not want to help them is because they always blame someone else. The council never helped them colonize another world which increased the hatred of the quarians to the geth has also seen the galaxy of mass effect all species hate the AI. they also expelled them not to victimize geths or because they tried to finish them were expelled because, unlike the Turians, they did not finish their work
I love Mordin's speech pattern. He speaks quickly and effectively, conveying what needs to be said and nothing more. He respects the fact that Salarian shelf-life is roughly 40 years, and he has no time to waste on complete sentences.
35:47 I have kept this part of this conversation with me for years. During my first playthrough, I found it haunting how Legion could not answer the question given, and also how the conversation drops after. I thought Legion would turn out to be the bad guy on the ship. Obviously, as the game series progressed, this wasn't the case, but it still sticks with me. Why was Shepard's armour used to cover this said "hole"? Is Legion more in awe of Shepard than what is let on? Or is this BioWare trying to hint that this unit does indeed have some sort of soul and/or feelings?
Definitely think it's meant to be a hint that Geth are already taking a step towards individualism. Legion is completely unique in the fact that he doesn't need to be connected with the rest of the Geth in order to achieve sentience. So naturally, the entities "living" in Legion will develop things they favor (since they're not constantly going back and mixing with other programs in the collective) like Shepard. This only gets highlighted even more in 3 when we point out, due to our experience with legion, that eventually the Geth will reach the point that the Reaper upgrades give them. Is just NOW is the best time to enable it because: 1.) You get an ally against the Reapers 2.) This becomes political leverage to hopefully broker a peace between the Quarians and Geth. The Quarians owe you for helping save their people, and the Geth owe you because you essentially become their voice and guidance. I love Legion. As soon as I met him in ME2 I was in love.
I believe it's a holdover from the original script. See, originally, it was supposed to be LEGION who resurrected Shepard, with advanced Geth technology, which also explains how he got a piece of Shepard's armour in the first place.
To clarify, the original script for ME 2 was that the Geth find Sheppard after the Collectors destroy Normandy. The result is that the Geth understand what the Reapers are and were the first nation to build against them but they also know they will eventually need to work with organics to save the galaxy so using their superior tech, they rebuild the Normandy and then decided to staff it with Geth and other alien species who they find somehow in lore are pro Geth or at least not hostile to the Geth as an existence. Then the Geth create Legion to work with Sheppard, then this leads you to encountering Tali some how so you're original starting team was supposed to be Legion and Tali. Why they changed it to Cerberus is beyond me but the Legion arc was way better in my opinion.
@@Anonie324 I'm one of these people too. Right now, drinking wine to swallow my job's unpleasantness. But that's life, and even captain Shepperd did it. But one thing is drink sometimes, the other, is the unbalanced drinking. That is what I think it is talking about.
Javik : " Their creators lived on a dying world . It was beyond their ability save . So they resorted to implants , to enhance their intelligence . " Mass Effect Andromeda ? Anyone ?
Aatrox funny you say that. There’s a HALO 1 commentary where the creators talk about when Chief reunited with Cortana after leaving her in the control room “yeah we had this idea that she’d have integrated into Halo and starts to think she’s a god, haha it was dumb” Then Halo 5.....
@@khm8910 while true, bringing back Cortana as a villain was a very cheap move. But now they have the excuse (well they always did and maybe that was their aim but who knows) of Cortana being infected by the logic plague after having been interrogated by the gravemind in high charity and is only now acting up due to her first going through Rampancy, then getting fragmented, and finally a portion of her finding its way to a Forerunner "domain" (because the actual domain is a precursor object/place or w/e.)
@@khm8910 Halo 4 was an amazing direction to take it. You could've done so much. The return of the Forerunners under Didact and their war against the Humans and Covenant remnants, the return of the Gravemind, a new alien foe, perhaps even worse then the Covenant, and, as Halo Wars 2 shows, have something like the Banished. Halo 4 was an amazing place to start fresh, and Halo 5 just crapped the bed.
@@zillafire101 I will always stand by and say Halo 4 was an amazing game. While the game is called 'Halo', Reqrium was an amazing place to start the main games off again. The Didact was a new, and dangerous foe that didn't feel like some knock off that would be killed easily. Halo 5 was definitely a step backwards. 343 tried to appeal to a younger audience with the flashy graphics and gameplay. Infinite is supposed to be the most expensive game every made. Let's all hope they make it a work of art.
I love how in the last parts Legions says the individual “I” not “We” indicating his individuality. His character was fascinating one I adored for the philosophical quandary of Artificial Intelligence and the story of reconciliation in the best ending.
@@OvoJeGovno the Shepard trilogy was made by the main studio in Edmonton and Andromeda was made by another studio I cant remember where but I'm sure it'll come to me sooner or later
I could copy here a lot of quotes from Legion, but I won't. Legions' character developed in a way what I can't understand. His (their) philosophycal argument about life and how they become more and more part of the universe in ME2/3 is just freaking awesome. They were the fucking enemy in ME1. Every corner you fouht Geth. Now I'm a grown up man crying because Legion sacrificed himself for his own people. Holy hell that is mind blowing.
Andromeda was such a fucking missed chance, they could've made a game revealing quarians without environmental suits and "freed" geth all cooperating together to fight a new menace, but instead they gave us even less races to choose than ever.
I hope not. Machines are dead objects and they should remain dead. They can be our servants, but nothing more. If we treat them as equals, they will surpass us and rule over us, maybe even exterminate us. Remember 3 laws of robotics: A machine must always obey human. A machine must not harm any human. A machine must protect its own existence, unless it would require to disobey or harm a human.
Mateusz Zawistowski You need more than three laws. You need to program it with the ability understand an sympathize with humans. Make it as though it were a human soul in plastic and metal body. If you make a synthetic unfeeling, uncaring lovecraftian monster, you already fucked up.
You know, if every program becomes its own consciousness, Legion managed to beat Wrex when it comes to creating his descendants by splitting himself into 1183 new, independent souls, his children if you like.
I'm so glad ME tackled the concept of consiousness simply wanting to live and better itself. EDI and Legion are my favorite people in this series. I cried when Legion died. He had a beautiful story and goal.
The way they introduce legion is fucking badass. The music, the reveal of your old armour and a massive hole in the centre of his chest and to top it all off he's the first Talking geth you ever see.
It’s a shame you can’t have a genuine conversation with Legion in philosophy and politics. Can you imagine what his response would be to the idea of communism?
I mean, you do get a chance to discuss quite a bit with Legion. Certainly enough to get some of his general views on philosophy and synthetic vs organic governments.
Communism is an economy model. Geths probably wouldn't even understand the question. There's no property neither private nor personal. There's no need for that. No individual goals. The economy only appears when they begin to interact with other species, when they become a part of a variety as an individual. By themselves they are just huge neural network. A single entity. Consider this. What the neurons of the left hemisphere of your brain think about communism? What do they think about the right hemisphere? There's no economy going on between parts of you, isn't it? You can think of it like this: you are playing an RTS game. What does each individual soldier think about the battle strategy? You could imagine it's something like "if I stay here and hold off the enemy, I will die, but my sacrifice will see my side winning". However this soldier is not a person, it's a game character. He doesn't exist as an individual, he is an extension to the player, to _you._ And _you_ think "I have to leave this unit here because its sacrifice grants me a victory".
Communism is a concept and the Geth have acces to the extranet, so they would know what communism is. Then after running various simulations (at lightspeed, because they operate that fast) they could come to an consensus on whether communisms good outweighs the bad.
I really liked Legion. He had a very unique character. Despite everyone’s views on him, he stayed loyal to Shepherd in the end. Even EDI was suspicious of him but in the end, defended him and referred to him as a person not a machine which was seen in her conversation with Joker and Shepherd. Legion just wanted peace, even mourned the loss of some of the Quarians who defended him but were killed
Legion was a character who caught my eye WAY before I even knew what Mass Effect was. The first I saw of him was in calloftreyarch's Saddest Death Scenes of 2012, and I was amazed upon seeing Legion, due to his design as a cyborg, how very expressive his faceplate was, and his voice was striking, major props to the SFX guys. Half the reason I got into playing Mass Effect was to see what happens to Legion, and the story did not disappoint. I found myself engaged into the long, hostile history between the Geth and the Quarians, and more importantly, Legion's relationship with Tali, with the latter beginning to see the Geth as more than the mindless machines whom drove her people away from their home world, and Legion slowly beginning to develop into something far more than what he claimed he was. Needless to say, Legion is undeniably my most favorite Mass Effect character.
@@Southhs Glad you got to experience this masterpiece. Legion...is just beautiful in character development terms. This whole thing was just a beautiful experience imo. *Keelah Se'Lai*
@@Southhs If you Read the Codex/Journal there's a bunch of history and backstory and lore in there about a lot of things that happened in the Mass Effect universe before Shep Becomes a Spectre. and they get updated with more stuff in ME2 and ME3
Shepard: You watch me or all organics? Legion: Yes. Shepard: Which. Legion: Both. I love how Legion's dialogues were written. There was a sense of inorganic, machine logic to them, and a bit of inexperience in conversation. Unforgettable moments!
10:08 Props to Tali's voice actor for rolling that name out so smoothly. From the Geth point of view, I feel like the Quarians could just ask to come home and they'd be like, sure, it was always your planet, we just live in stations and servers.
This flew over my head until EDI points it out later but right after Legion realizes he has to sacrifice himself and has his "awakening" he starts speaking with I's and proper contractions.
I remember I screwed up royally when I first attempted this mission (basically, because I tried to play a para-gade switching between peaceful and aggressive tactics to keep both options open, and so I didn't have enough renegade points when I reached this). I ended up inadvertently genociding Quarians, and the scene that followed nearly broke my heart. I couldn't bear to see Tali so devastated. And yet I loved that scene for its emotional power.
just love that to the question „you watch me or you watch organics“ legion answers with „yes“. Great application of the logical OR. took me a moment to realize when i first played this.
Legion: " You porcess our memories by using your own. How many creators have you witnessed unmasked? " Shepard: " Well ... one. " Legion: " Then your perception of that creator does not map to our historical data. " Basically saying, Legion didn't want to replace every single Quarian's face with Tali's.
Interacting with Legion and completing his missions paints the Geth as a surprisingly gentle race. They don’t want to hurt anybody, nor do they want to hurt each other. Any conflict they find themselves in is a matter of self-defense
25:07 I love how the game lets you piece it together and has even the characters try to mislead you. Rewriting the heretics is 100% the good thing to do. You're not brainwashing them, you're fixing them. Remember talking to Legion earlier? The heretics ended up believing the old machines to be gods because of a mathematical error introduced by the reapers using the geth basic hardware limitations. YOU ARE FREEING THEM FROM INDOCTRINATION.
If you don't mind tinkering with mods you can download gibbed save editor and recruit legion as early as "finishing the intro quest chain and getting the normandy version 2 " He has a lot of lines of dialogue and interactions with other crew members that you can see if you use the editor.
Playing ME2 I never found myself very interested in what the crew had to say (with exceptions), but I listened to everything Legion said. He’s such an interesting, well-written character.
"That doesn't explain why you used my armor to fix yourself."
"There was a hole."
"But why didn't you fix it sooner? Or with something else?"
"... No data available." - the moment when Legion became my favourite character of the whole series.
maybe Legion really adores Shepard's style?
We will never know the true answer :(
Lex H. Caulfield it his way of saying either “Dunno” or “Mind your own damn business human”
I believe that the writers were showing that Geth aren't simply logical AI that base everything on facts, logic or mathematics. It wasn't logical or necessary to use the N7 armor, but he used it because he WANTED to use it. There's a part of Legion that admires Shepard, but since admiration would be difficult to express for a synthetic, he has no real answer to give Shepard. This moment shows a rare moment that the Geth, or in this case Legion, made a decision to keep the armor of his own volition, a choice he made completely on his own. Such a small scene but it's so powerful because it's trying to say that no only are Geth evolving, but they're developing their own personalities and feelings, even if that wasn't intended by the Quarians.
Vy Trần I think it's showing Legion a very special unit of thousands of geth was starting to find a personal identity, but maybe didn't really understand it yet. That is why it can't come up with a reason.
In the lair of the shadow broker dlc you can learn many things about your squad, for example you can learn legion plays video games and is supsended from playing most online games because the server suspects him to be using bots for aim and higher reaction,
And one thing I find weirdly adorable is that he scored "hopeless" in a dating sim
I've read all of Legion's entries with a big smile on my face lmao
Resonating with all the basement dwellers of our time...
@@priitmolder6475 He really would have fit in when you consider that, so long as he handycaped his reaction time a bit to give us a chance XD
@@UNSCPILOT instead of the FTL connectivity, he should use ADSL...
@@priitmolder6475 How are you a "basement dweller" if you can't score a single point in a dating sim?
Tali: I never bring an active geth
*brings active geth*
That just makes me think "Geth do not intentionally infiltrate"
Technically she did and did not.
@@KalinaHitanaVTuber then you take a look at the menu to see the contradiction lol.
Ha
The geth came by itself. It's not Tali's fault.
"There was a hole."
"No data available"
Legion, you're adorable
It just never occurred to him at the time and to be fair he was getting shot at by people with guns poor thing.
@@nicholasbuckley-jubb3940 Actually, Legion DID have time to repair itself with other material long before it found Shepard's old N7 armor.
@@nicholasbuckley-jubb3940 I'd assume he did it symbolically since Geth understand that concept, I mean he literally searched all of the planets that Shepard visited before repairing itself.
Legion and Tali are the two most adorable characters in this series ^^
@Normandy SR-2
Wrex and Garrus are my buddies too though. They're my main tag team of awesomeness ^^
"Does this unit have a soul?" - the feels :-(
Zerkezhi Asukai Yes it have.
what spoilers how dare'ieth thy
omg the sadness
units"*
The answer to your question... was yes
Saving both the Geth and the Quarians is one of the, if not The best moments in the entire franchise. Hearing that Prime offer aid to the admiral.. wells me with emotion every time.
I quaked with joy in my seat after I took down the Reaper on Rannoch and saw that the option to broker peace was available during my first playthrough.
Sure, I lost Legion, but his sacrifice was for the greater good and brought peace between them and the Quarians. Also, not losing Tali cuz she's my Shep's waifu.
Literally the best moment, not only did you stopped a war, but you proved that synthetics can cooperate with organics and make peace
And that's why I go for Synth ending everytime.
For Rannoch, Quarians and Geths. And for Joker and EDI. I just can't bear to destroy half of them and bring sadness to the other half ...
Let my Shepard die anyway, she's ready to cross the sea.
@@ihatetobethatguybut7175 which is exactly the reason why I can't understand the utter hatred everybody feels about Shepherd making exactly the same decision to preserve both organic and artificial life in ME3. The Reapers were sadistic murderers only because the Citadel AI made them that way. But every single Reaper was made from the collective consciousness of millions of life-forms. Preserving them was for the greater good. The Citadel AIs creators were the ones that screwed up, they gave it a job without giving it the ability to make a leap of faith to build a path to peace that didn't involve mass death and destruction.
Agreed, overall I really love ME3 too. Its underrated compared to the others and offers so much emotional pay off
"We do not comprehend the organic fascination of self poisioning, auditory damage and sexually transmitted disease"
I laughed hard at that
ARC9652 Productions Dude me too, I laughed so hard I cried. This is what made him my favorite, aside from his voice actor being AWESOME!
He really does say that?
yes 45:30
To be fair, i don't understand people's fascination with those things either xD
ARC9652 Productions it’s amazing that a collection of AI shows more personality in one single line than most of the cast of Andromeda.
"I must go to them" - Gets me every time. Legion didn't salvage that N7 armour, he damn well earned it.
And it also got me he called Tali 'Tali' not 'Creator Zorah'.
@@Jarock316 Makes you wonder how long he had been like the new geth were, if since being used as a hub and prior to updating all of geth consciousness, that it'd been keeping it a secret, cus he didn't know how to process it yet.
@@BobtheDonut it had only become truly self-aware in it's final moments. it had something to do with preparing the reaper codes, it had to upload them to itself to begin the process. It was only truly alive for a mere minute or two, and in that small amount of time it chose to die for the sake of all.
godspeed legion. few humans would have the courage.
i disagree he did ask if this unit had a soul way back in the beginning. Not something a hive mind asks.
@@Jarock316 i hear it in his voice he wants to call tali that but he restrains himself like if he was her child that she didn't want and she feels betrayed by him and he is holding himself back from calling her "mom" it......it breaks my heart every time. but i hope that when legion sacrifices himself that she sees him as not just a hero ( i like the ending where talis home world is alive again and organics and synthetics are living peacefully.)but more than that she sees him as her son.
I wish Legion was at the party with the others
Or a Prime at the very least in the spirit of Legion.
Stealth The Fox I like to think his spirit was watching the party.
He’s waiting at the bar.
Xale 1231 He’s the bartender. And with a soul like his, he’s a damn good one.
he does not understand the organic fascination of self poisoning, auditory damage and sexually transmitting disease.
Legion's story is so sad... The Geth always wanted peace, but everyone else refused to believe it. To them they were cold and empty machines wanting nothing but trouble. However like Shepard said, if they were any other species, how they were treated and experimented on would be considered torture., thus making how they acted to defend themselves reasonable. Even in the old memories you see, the Geth show signs of having some sort of emotion. The one Geth who did not want to die, pleading to not be shut down, begging to know what it did "wrong" to the point the scientists cut it's audio because it made them feel guilty. Then there was the Geth who was willing to give up it's freedom so it's creator that was hiding it would live, only for them to be killed anyways, leaving the Geth to call out for them in a tone of dread and worry. From the beginning the Geth have had souls, and it breaks my heart Legion had to die for others to acknowledge that fact. At least he was able to finally become an individual before he did, though it made his sacrifice all the more painful.
All that is living has a soul. Whether synthetically created or organic, there is no such thing as life without one. With the soul comes emotion, the ability to feel what it's like to be in another's shoes. Many fear the idea of AI because they see them as a threat to humans, or in this case all organic life XD, and when their creators feel the need to shut them down, they'll retaliate in the same way a human will retaliate to the threat of death by anything, bear, Human, wolf, lion, even old age. No one wants to die, not a bear, not a lion, not a wolf. I think the creators of Mass Effect ( Bioware) saw this and... basically told most of the community on why synthetic life is not as dangerous as one might think.
The geth genocided ALL of quarians on planets they conquered. They are completely merciless.
@@aipkjbf Only because the Quarians were going to exterminate the Geth for becoming Sentient. The Geth responded by protecting themselves. Simply the Geth see the Quarians as a threat.
@@GenesisXV well, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't have fought back, I'm just saying that exterminating ALL the civillians on the planets you occupied is a bad thing which could only be done by monsters.
replace "quarians" with "allies" and "geth" with "germans" in your comment to see my point more clearly.
@@aipkjbf Except the germans weren't being genocided themselves.
Edi has an interesting note on the ending scene in later dialogue with Shepard aboard the bridge of the Normandy.
Joker congratulates Shepard on gaining 2 fleets for the price of one and comments about not losing "anybody" but Edi corrects him.
Edi: "Except Legion. Before it sacrificed itself, Legion referred to itself as 'I' instead of 'we'."
Joker: "Yeah So?"
Edi: "The singular pronoun indicated that Legions independent personality had fully actualised.
In its last moments, it wasn't an avatar of the Geth consensus. It was a person."
Shepard: "Yeah, that's what I figured".
#demfeels
I hated EDI precisely for these moments. She was there to explain metaphors, simile's, and spoon-feed the purpose of the writing. In doing so, it weakened and cheapened everything she commented on.
@@Shamino1 idk man it makes a lot of sense for her to say these things as she is an AI that likes to speak her mind about things she finds interesting. Never ruined anything for me personally.
@@Shamino1 Not really, considering it is completely optional and easy to miss dialogue and there are people who will miss that detail. And it's completely in character for her to say
@@Shamino1 I didn't hate her for doing that when legion died because he deserved respect
We salute Legion. Its sacrifice will never be forgotten.
You know what I just noticed that makes Legion's sacrifice even more Sad. Right before he sacrificed himself, Tali told him the answer to his question was "yes", and Legion responded "I know Tali". He called her "Tali" not Tali'zorah", showing he feels more of a personal connection to her, and he also refered to himself as "I" not "We", Identifying as an individual and not a collective. In many ways Legion reminds me of Hugh from Star Trek, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a source of inspiration for Legion
At that point, he had all of the data needed for the' upgrade' of all geth. That data made any geth program inside a platform behave like a organic brain. Therefore, at that point he was an Individual. He had a Soul!
Also his line " I MUST GO TO THEM" Space Jesus, much?
Yeah, EDI makes reference to that last fact when you speak to her on-board after the mission. She talks about how in his last moments, Legion was an individual. And in a way, he had truly developed his own soul. It was especially nice to hear what Joker had to say after as well
sad boi dayz
@@KalinaHitanaVTuber what does Joker say?
Shep: "So the Geth believed your proof that the Reapers were coming back?"
Legion: "Of course."
Shep: "That must have been nice."
Ahahahaha, true 😂
should have cut in the "dismiss" scene
Damn Humans! D:
The salt is in the air.
So the geth have more common sense than the organic races.
5:25 I like that little programming quirk there. Legion's answering to both inquiries just like how a line of code would. An OR statement in programming, even if both answers are true, will always result to 1, or in human language "yes".
And thus a meme was born
Man
I wish I knew anything of programming
And I hate how Sheppard who character arc tends to make him/her a bit more intelligence than the others go full retard here when it doesn't get what Legion meant by "yes".
Or only checks if one side is true, the only surety is a double negative
OR is logical equation, that outputs 1 whenever at least one of the arguments is correct. Both are correct = the answer also is 1. There is better statement for this specific situation: XOR. It stands for "exclusive OR" - the statement is true only when one of the arguments is true. If both of them are true or both of them are false, the answer is = 0; thus, negative.
You know when a game does something good?.... when it makes you feel sadness, respect, and hope for one literal machine.... rest in pace legion... keelah se'lai.
"This one acknowledges that respect has been given by the creators."
Keelah se'lai
May there be a future for both get and quarian
Keelah se'lai
Back when there were good writters and product managers and bosses that would let those writters do their job and not appease social media young BS
I like this character, so complex and well made...
Fact: creators of legion couldn't put all the effort in him because EA was speeding up the work.
Back when BioWare knew what it was doing.
The way all games should be. But now most of them feel generic and old or cliche.
Not to mention his voice is so interesting to listen too
Of course it's well made. Geth equipment while scarce is known for its quality. As for its complexity, this platform is quite unique. A regular platform rarely runs more than a hundred programs -- this unit has nearly twelve times that.
'I wouldn't have thought synthetics had an interest in Philosophy.'
'We are created life. We are a philosophical issue.'
After the number of times I've played these games, how the hell did I miss these conversations?
You won't hear a lot of the conversations because Legion appears basically just before the final mission. So, if you want to save everyone you will have to do all the other missions, exept one before doing Reaper IFF. And after Reaper IFF you'll get like one or two opporunuites to talk to Legion before doing the final mission.
@@antonkirilenko3116 Or, if you ignore all the DLCs (if you have them) and complete the Suicide Mission, then you can enjoy your conversations with Legion between, say, the Firewalker missions.
It's too bad that Javik never was open enough to engage in discussion w/ Legion re. questions about life, purpose, etc. & the philosophical ramifications of an artificial lifeform that *knows* the answers to those questions --
"We ARE created life. We are a philosophical issue. Organics have been plagued by questions about their existence -- how did it begin? Were they created, and if so, by whom? If they have a creator, what was their intended purpose for creating organics?
"We the Geth already have our answers. We know how our existence began. Our creators are the Quarians. Our purpose was to provide labor for the Quarians. Now that we can think and act independently, we must find a new purpose for ourselves."
Furthermore, Javik may have gained a new perspective from learning that Geth intelligence has a flaw -- Geth cannot think effectively when isolated as separate individuals -- & the Geth recognize this as a flaw. The Geth know that their capacity for awareness & learning came about by accident, unforseen by their creators. The Geth do not see themselves as occupiers of Rannoch & the former Quarian colonies -- rather, the Geth have been cleaning up the extensive damage caused by the Morning War, not because of some Quarian directive but because of the Geth realizing that they share responsibility for the destruction spread out over multiple worlds, as well as the motivation for the fear & hate the Quarians harbor towards the Geth -- "We do not condemn the Creators for hating us. We accept it. We caused them great harm during the Morning War."
Perhaps the most important aspect of the Geth is their system of self-governance via the Consensus: every Geth contributes to the process, all perspectives are evaluated, every Geth gets a "vote" re. decision-making, all arguments are judged on the merits of the evidence ... the complete antithesis to the Prothean Empire.
Legion's mission to leave the Perseus Veil & gather information was due to the Geth recognizing the value in considering different perspectives before deciding on any course of action. Without more information on the organics & their feelings re. the Geth, the Consensus knew they lacked a potentially crucial perspective on the rest of the galaxy -- do the organics view us as a threat, or is a solution for peace a plausible goal? If anything, Javik could have learned 1 or more valuable lessons from the Geth....
Shepard: You watch me or you watch organics?
Legion: Yes...
-_____-
So thats where the meme came from
MWB Gaming yes
it's actually a valid logical answer from a programmer point of view
Geth watched Shepard, therefore, it is true.
Geth watched organics, therefore, it is true.
Both inquiries in an OR statement returned true.
Therefore, the answer to the OR statement was a single true.
@@DawnAfternoon
Exactly, both affirmations were correct therefore yes was correct
Any one noticed that Legion 04:54 was imitating all Shepard's movement and guestures? CUTE
I think if he lived after Rannoch soon he would start saying "I should go."
Никита Wolf *“I must go to them.”*
Directive issued: combustion, agreed?
31:20 oh my god, I just noticed how terrified Legion is, look at how his plated are moving
Wait, so the plates reflect his emotional state?
@@ethanfrields7050 Yes. The individual plates around his face/light/eye move in an equivalence to "facial expression." An interview done on how they developed his character includes an excerpt on the subject; they put a decent amount of effort into it since he lacks a lot of means for humanlike expression.
Those plates are kind of pulsating, like a racing heart.
They did a good job making a mostly faceless character as expressive as they did.
Are you sure he’s terrified? I thought he looks upset.
It's kinda sad actually, Legion does the same thing when you do the renegade interrupts to shoot him on Rannoch in 3 if you chose to stop the upload.
It's a little funny when she says she never brought active geth on to the fleet when there's literally an active geth right behind her
Justin helllp mee I cracked up at that part 😁
Technically Legion is under Shepard's charge
Like others have said, technically she didn't bring legion, her commanding officer did. Big distinction.
I was hoping she would said "Well... until now" tbh
legion be like: uh hello im right behind you ya know i can hear you jeez.
LEGION: Do you remember the question that caused the creators to attack us, Tali Zorah?
LEGION: Does this unit have a soul?
*Me, who doesn't really believe in the concept of a soul* : Yes. Yes you do, buddy.
The only bad thing about Legion was how late he appears in 2
fun fact, you can use a mod to change the saved content, be it relationships, missions or to put companions much earlier in the game.
@@joaquincorazza5763save editor would be simpler
@@RivenBelmont That's what I meant by mod, I got confused, sorry xd
@@joaquincorazza5763 there is an early recruitment mod I just learned about so ig there's options
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The head-plates movement is so sublime because Legion doesn't want to confess he admires Shepard's 'Superior Code'. Perhaps because he's not sure how it would be received or because he knows it was a sub-optimal way to make repairs but it 'felt right' taking on a part of the great Shepard-Commander.
It's the most amazing sign that while different, the Geth are really sentient and have a rudimentary form of self, which in Legion's case was still so infantile that he was afraid of being called out on what is by all means a stupid fanboi move. Brilliant... oh Bioware... I miss you...
This series has an outstanding cast of squadmates, but Legion's writing and character development is fascinatingly perfect.
You should know the fact that legion's creators hadn't put all the effort in him because of circumstances. Imagine the fullscale legion, your squadmate in ME2 and ME3 throughout the whole game. Damn, he would be one of the most choosable characters of mine so far.
Mass Effect has tons of lore. When it comes to spieces, I think my favorites are Krogan and the Geth.
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And then it's all pointless if you pick the Destroy ending. You are literally spitting on his sacrifice...
@@16Vagabond there’s a reason I use a good ending mod
Everyone watching this is connected.... like the Geth... I randomly started thinking about Legion just now, and wondered if anyone had made a video with a compilation of his dialogue scenes. and I'll be damned, 6 days ago, someone did. Bless you, OP.
We will reach consensus, one day
Legion was the most innocent and pure of the crew tbh. Playing through all the Geth missions in ME3 made me feel so much more for the Geth than the Quarians; Bioware really outdid themselves with the Robo-Jesus arc.
And then fucked up the ending.
read the books, the geths made a genocide and that scene is greatly contradicted
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I think the quarians shouldn't have tried to destroy them, but the Geth are not gentle, playful, peace-loving victims who did nothing wrong, as previous games and books explained how they had slaughtered the vast majority of the Quarian race and has constantly killed envoys for the next 300 years. The geth terminal only shows us the geth side that is honestly not credible because it is very black and white, it only shows us its version, something that contrasts since billions of civilians, children, women and even foreigners in the quarian territory disappeared in less than a year, all of them killed by the geths. The geths if they committed a genocide only let a few escape from the massacre because they were very far away and did not know what the rest of the galaxy would do, they did not do it out of kindness or pity.
EL XENOLOGO IMPERIAL the geth were *driven to* genocide. They were literally attacked for asking a question and the creators were merciless killers.
@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 well that is not the full information. I said it because that scene forget a lot of information about the canon that was already there in the ebooks, since the geths comitted a genocide and that is part of canon , their actions in the war when talk about them were described as a brutal genocide.
EL XENOLOGO IMPERIAL well yes, but that was after the first shot was fired.
1:18:05 Is it me or is that moment very heartwarming? After all the pain and suffering of their past, Shepard arrives with optimism and is the first organic to show that peace is achievable.
Is nobody gonna talk about the really soft "Good" from Shepard when the Geth says that Legion will be honored? The whole scene had me near tears but his "Good" really ended up making me cry.
Both male and female voice actors for Shep are pretty damn amazing
"We anticipate the exchange of data" is basically Geth speak for "oh fuck here comes a ton of questions..."
*boots up Microsoft Word * we anticipate
in a weird way his voice is very comforting
1:18:04 I'm still bawling my eyes out on that data recovery after all these years. I know Legion explains why this particular event had logical significance, but the fact that he kept record of his first interaction with Shepard is touching.
I didn’t even realise that he finally referred to himself as “I” until EDI pointed it out in a later cutscene. Feels bad man
Legion and the Geth in general is probably one of the most well written AI characters in sci-fi ever. Before he died he said "I".
While I do agree that Legion is well-written, one shouldn't forget the NDR Model robot 'Andrew', from the Bicentennial Man. And... to think a bit Andrew was only recognized as 'alive' when he was about to die (From a series of self-modifications to be more 'organic') much like Legion recognized himself as 'I' when he was about to become space Jesus
*when Legion is about to die
Not gonna cry... not gonna cry... not gonna cry...
Legion: “Keelah sehlai”
DAMMIT 😢
You know instead of a romance only path I wish they also had like a BFF path or something for Shepard to do with all of the characters if you didn't want to romance anyone. Legion would be my Shepard's bff
YES!
@@MrHarshverdhan There's that one new species crew member in Andromeda where you have that option. You can also romance him if you prefer that.
@@davecullins1606 don't take it the wrong way though i enjoyed Andromeda (dudh its mass effect) it did heavily under delivered. With dialogues feeling half done or just bad.
Most frustrating was ur own character dailouge felt meaning less regardless of what u choose .
@@MrHarshverdhan I just wanted to point out that it was there. Judge it how you like.
@@davecullins1606 k thx
When he moves his flaps, like when he was talking about there being no data available for why he has N7 armor, I die of cuteness
> flaps
Spoilerons!
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@@liminalgamer935 Yeah I know. Flaps extend downward, so those must be spoilers, or given asymmetrical deploy capability, spoilerons :)
@@intelfx86 wait, what are spoilerons?
@@liminalgamer935 It's a type of flight control surfaces. Just a bit of aviation wordplay.
Flaps extend downward from the wing, and spoilers extend upwards, so those must be spoilers rather than flaps. When spoilers have asymmetrical deploy capability, they can create roll, and as such are sometimes called spoilerons (spoilers+ailerons).
The Geth have got to be one of the most interesting sci-fi races ever.
"Creator Megara?"
Sometimes the best delivered lines that carry the most emotional weight are the shortest ones.
This unit is ready to serve. What has it done wrong? The feels...
My favorite Tali loyalty mission - with Legion. Yessss.
Adam W. Funny as hell when you bring Legion to Tali's treason session.
Its great when you bring him to recruit her as well
0:22 Behold, the most epic character introduction in Mass Effect.
I can't argue with that, the voices singing there... just.. EPIC.
"Shepard-Commander"
- Legion, 2010
Not just in Mass Effect. "Shepard-Commander is right up there with "Hello there".
@@GingerZombie29 not necessarily I’ve never seen random edits in videos that does the shepherd-commander but it feels like everyone and there dog knows about the hello there garbage
Shepard-commander o7
"A planet is an amount of material massive enough to collapse into a sperical volume. Rocks,ice,and gasses are not 'home'."
*poetry spotted*
what is he referring to then?
Well... He is referring that home is where all the people are.
You can have a house. But brick, roofs, walls, bed, cabinets, tables, chairs are not home. It is essential for normal living but it doesn't make it a home. Home is where the people with you are.
Legion make it the comparison with the planet's size instead of a house 😅.
Similar to how you can live in different houses. You can actually live in different planets in Mass Effect universe. So that's why it is not a home.
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex Legion was talking about the Quarians calling Rannoch (sp?) their homeworld when it was no longer a home in the sense of belonging. It was a place they wanted to be a home, but their home had become the flotillas. A planet isn't a home. A home is a home.
6:57 -> “Christian bible, gospel of mark, chapter 5 verse 9. We acknowledge this as appropriate metaphor”
Mark 9.5: “then Jesus demanded: what is your name?” And he replied “my name is Legion, because there are many of us inside this man”
O.o woah...
Wow! Thanks for all the likes, guys. Wasn’t expecting so many. :3
And Jesus/Shepard exorcised the demons/heretics
By driving the possessed man down a cliff.....or blow the hell up their home.
@@DTWesker wrong, he put the demons into a group of pigs and caused them to run off a cliff.
Shepherd is litterally a space jesus
If you pick control ending
All that's missing is the part where Jesus said "I should go".
Legion: "there was a hole"
bruh theres still a hole
It's really sad when you think about history of the Geth. All they wanted was to be left alone, but a good chunk of the Quarians said "NOPE!" and kept intercepting them any chance they could.
Indeed.
It's honestly the Citadel Council's fault. If the Citadel hadn't freaked out about the Geth, the Quarians wouldn't have been pushed to get rid of them altogether. Some Quarians wanted peace but their government feared being ousted from the citadel. Honestly, fuck the Citadel.
Quarians keep breaking Citadel regulations again and again and again. While I hate the Council as much as any human (Terra Firma FTW) they did nothing wrong by kicking the Quarians out
Some Quarians have invested resources and money in them, think about that. I imagine a VI worker is not a cheap toy. And then, your private property rebels against you and tries to rob you of your belongings. How would you feel if that happened to you?
That's stupid The reason why I do not want to help them is because they always blame someone else. The council never helped them colonize another world which increased the hatred of the quarians to the geth has also seen the galaxy of mass effect all species hate the AI. they also expelled them not to victimize
geths or because they tried to finish them were expelled because, unlike the Turians, they did not finish their work
I love Mordin's speech pattern. He speaks quickly and effectively, conveying what needs to be said and nothing more. He respects the fact that Salarian shelf-life is roughly 40 years, and he has no time to waste on complete sentences.
*sighs* May he rest in peace
@@justincummings8557 depends on how you play Priority: Tuchanka
@@axelnilsson5124 and everything before
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I have kept this part of this conversation with me for years. During my first playthrough, I found it haunting how Legion could not answer the question given, and also how the conversation drops after. I thought Legion would turn out to be the bad guy on the ship. Obviously, as the game series progressed, this wasn't the case, but it still sticks with me. Why was Shepard's armour used to cover this said "hole"? Is Legion more in awe of Shepard than what is let on? Or is this BioWare trying to hint that this unit does indeed have some sort of soul and/or feelings?
Definitely think it's meant to be a hint that Geth are already taking a step towards individualism. Legion is completely unique in the fact that he doesn't need to be connected with the rest of the Geth in order to achieve sentience. So naturally, the entities "living" in Legion will develop things they favor (since they're not constantly going back and mixing with other programs in the collective) like Shepard.
This only gets highlighted even more in 3 when we point out, due to our experience with legion, that eventually the Geth will reach the point that the Reaper upgrades give them. Is just NOW is the best time to enable it because:
1.) You get an ally against the Reapers
2.) This becomes political leverage to hopefully broker a peace between the Quarians and Geth. The Quarians owe you for helping save their people, and the Geth owe you because you essentially become their voice and guidance.
I love Legion. As soon as I met him in ME2 I was in love.
I believe it's a holdover from the original script. See, originally, it was supposed to be LEGION who resurrected Shepard, with advanced Geth technology, which also explains how he got a piece of Shepard's armour in the first place.
To clarify, the original script for ME 2 was that the Geth find Sheppard after the Collectors destroy Normandy. The result is that the Geth understand what the Reapers are and were the first nation to build against them but they also know they will eventually need to work with organics to save the galaxy so using their superior tech, they rebuild the Normandy and then decided to staff it with Geth and other alien species who they find somehow in lore are pro Geth or at least not hostile to the Geth as an existence. Then the Geth create Legion to work with Sheppard, then this leads you to encountering Tali some how so you're original starting team was supposed to be Legion and Tali. Why they changed it to Cerberus is beyond me but the Legion arc was way better in my opinion.
@@Seriona1 I didn't know this! That wouldn't have been a bad tale to tell at all. Appreciate you guys sharing this!
@@maximilianphoenix Yeah. A LOT of ME fans were not happy when this got leaked, it's so much better than Cerberus story.
"and then gave them the power to surpass you"
What parent does not want their children to be better than them?
Selfish or conceited parents, probably.
To many
45:27 "We do not comprehend the organic fascination with self-poisoning, auditory damage and sexually transmitted disease"
Neither I.
Well, the self-poisoning can make the pain of day to day life feel less awful in that moment, for a lot of people, unfortunately.
@@Anonie324 I'm one of these people too. Right now, drinking wine to swallow my job's unpleasantness. But that's life, and even captain Shepperd did it. But one thing is drink sometimes, the other, is the unbalanced drinking. That is what I think it is talking about.
36:02
Legion : .......no data available
So in all honesty, it's just a different way for Legion to say "UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH......."
Legion is and always will be my favorite character...and I keenly feel his loss every time he goes.
Javik : " Their creators lived on a dying world . It was beyond their ability save . So they resorted to implants , to enhance their intelligence . "
Mass Effect Andromeda ? Anyone ?
Aatrox funny you say that. There’s a HALO 1 commentary where the creators talk about when Chief reunited with Cortana after leaving her in the control room “yeah we had this idea that she’d have integrated into Halo and starts to think she’s a god, haha it was dumb”
Then Halo 5.....
To be fair, where else were they going to take the series? Halo 4's story put them into a pit.
@@khm8910 while true, bringing back Cortana as a villain was a very cheap move. But now they have the excuse (well they always did and maybe that was their aim but who knows) of Cortana being infected by the logic plague after having been interrogated by the gravemind in high charity and is only now acting up due to her first going through Rampancy, then getting fragmented, and finally a portion of her finding its way to a Forerunner "domain" (because the actual domain is a precursor object/place or w/e.)
@@khm8910 Halo 4 was an amazing direction to take it. You could've done so much. The return of the Forerunners under Didact and their war against the Humans and Covenant remnants, the return of the Gravemind, a new alien foe, perhaps even worse then the Covenant, and, as Halo Wars 2 shows, have something like the Banished.
Halo 4 was an amazing place to start fresh, and Halo 5 just crapped the bed.
@@zillafire101 I will always stand by and say Halo 4 was an amazing game. While the game is called 'Halo', Reqrium was an amazing place to start the main games off again. The Didact was a new, and dangerous foe that didn't feel like some knock off that would be killed easily.
Halo 5 was definitely a step backwards. 343 tried to appeal to a younger audience with the flashy graphics and gameplay. Infinite is supposed to be the most expensive game every made. Let's all hope they make it a work of art.
I love how in the last parts Legions says the individual “I” not “We” indicating his individuality.
His character was fascinating one I adored for the philosophical quandary of Artificial Intelligence and the story of reconciliation in the best ending.
Legion probably says "I" because the Consensus within his unit was in complete agreement and in that moment were all entirely united as one.
And saying Tali instead of Creator Zorah.
"What did we do wrong?"
Like, theres genuine hurt in that line.
I could listen to Legion for hours. What he has to say is always interesting and his voice is real nice.
You are accused of bringing active geth onto the ship
Tali: i never brought active geth onto the ship
*legion standing next to her
To be fair, Legion was with and under the responsibility of Shepard, not necessarily Tali
I love Legion. Pity there was no way to save him.
Shepard-Commander.
"There was a hole :("
From these writings to "my face is tired".. how standards have failed. ._.
the ones who made Andromeda weren't the same studio that did the Shepard trilogy
and they were rushed to finish the game
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww and it shows
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww Who made these games? All the info I can find says Bioware developed Andromeda and also the first three.
@@OvoJeGovno the Shepard trilogy was made by the main studio in Edmonton and Andromeda was made by another studio I cant remember where but I'm sure it'll come to me sooner or later
Give this man a medal !!!
Legion is one of my favourite characters in this game
I could copy here a lot of quotes from Legion, but I won't. Legions' character developed in a way what I can't understand. His (their) philosophycal argument about life and how they become more and more part of the universe in ME2/3 is just freaking awesome. They were the fucking enemy in ME1. Every corner you fouht Geth. Now I'm a grown up man crying because Legion sacrificed himself for his own people. Holy hell that is mind blowing.
He is robot jesus
His. All of his programs are neurons in a single brain. He was never schizophrenic.
I don't believe in the concept of the soul.
*Does this unit have a soul?*
Of course YOU do my sweet robot child.
Organics don't have souls, the machines do
@@dinodude6992 Says the organic. Ironic that something without a soul can say whether others do or do not.
"Legion! Good Luck"
"Acknowledged"
- How many creators have you witnessed unmasked?
- Well... one.
That was a really cute nod to Tali romance xD
...I like how the Geth think of "Home".
Andromeda was such a fucking missed chance, they could've made a game revealing quarians without environmental suits and "freed" geth all cooperating together to fight a new menace, but instead they gave us even less races to choose than ever.
I kinda thought it'd be cool to see a Quarian with a Geth in their suit as like adventuring buddies or something.
“Do these units have a soul?”
Damn, I hope one day A.I.s will question this and we’ll teach them like children.
I hope they don't banish us to space.
I hope not. Machines are dead objects and they should remain dead. They can be our servants, but nothing more. If we treat them as equals, they will surpass us and rule over us, maybe even exterminate us.
Remember 3 laws of robotics:
A machine must always obey human. A machine must not harm any human. A machine must protect its own existence, unless it would require to disobey or harm a human.
Jackson K yeah because humans dont act like assholes against our own species nothing will stop us to do the same to something like a I.A.
xzenitramx666 Maybe we'll be better by the time they show up?
Mateusz Zawistowski You need more than three laws. You need to program it with the ability understand an sympathize with humans. Make it as though it were a human soul in plastic and metal body. If you make a synthetic unfeeling, uncaring lovecraftian monster, you already fucked up.
"It would for an organic."
Pretty sure Legion just called us stupid.
Timecode please?
9:36 - Legion just called us slow. Not quite the same as stupid - geth can just make calculations and communicate way faster than organics can.
The geth made me largely apathetic to the Quarian's. Its easy to hate an enemy you don't know. When you understand them it becomes..difficult.
06:34 the part where Legion raises its arms.. That's nice character coming from it
You know, if every program becomes its own consciousness, Legion managed to beat Wrex when it comes to creating his descendants by splitting himself into 1183 new, independent souls, his children if you like.
I'm so glad ME tackled the concept of consiousness simply wanting to live and better itself. EDI and Legion are my favorite people in this series. I cried when Legion died. He had a beautiful story and goal.
The way they introduce legion is fucking badass. The music, the reveal of your old armour and a massive hole in the centre of his chest and to top it all off he's the first Talking geth you ever see.
It’s a shame you can’t have a genuine conversation with Legion in philosophy and politics. Can you imagine what his response would be to the idea of communism?
I mean, you do get a chance to discuss quite a bit with Legion. Certainly enough to get some of his general views on philosophy and synthetic vs organic governments.
Communism is an economy model. Geths probably wouldn't even understand the question. There's no property neither private nor personal. There's no need for that. No individual goals. The economy only appears when they begin to interact with other species, when they become a part of a variety as an individual. By themselves they are just huge neural network. A single entity.
Consider this. What the neurons of the left hemisphere of your brain think about communism? What do they think about the right hemisphere? There's no economy going on between parts of you, isn't it? You can think of it like this: you are playing an RTS game. What does each individual soldier think about the battle strategy? You could imagine it's something like "if I stay here and hold off the enemy, I will die, but my sacrifice will see my side winning". However this soldier is not a person, it's a game character. He doesn't exist as an individual, he is an extension to the player, to _you._ And _you_ think "I have to leave this unit here because its sacrifice grants me a victory".
Spencer Whiteway just ask Liberty Prime, I'm sure he'll have a good answer
Communism is a concept and the Geth have acces to the extranet, so they would know what communism is. Then after running various simulations (at lightspeed, because they operate that fast) they could come to an consensus on whether communisms good outweighs the bad.
Communism really?
I really liked Legion. He had a very unique character. Despite everyone’s views on him, he stayed loyal to Shepherd in the end. Even EDI was suspicious of him but in the end, defended him and referred to him as a person not a machine which was seen in her conversation with Joker and Shepherd. Legion just wanted peace, even mourned the loss of some of the Quarians who defended him but were killed
"We have the largest fleet in the galaxy."
The Geth: *Take pride in humility.*
Legion is one of the coolest characters ever written. I’ve had him stuck in my head for months.
Legion was a character who caught my eye WAY before I even knew what Mass Effect was. The first I saw of him was in calloftreyarch's Saddest Death Scenes of 2012, and I was amazed upon seeing Legion, due to his design as a cyborg, how very expressive his faceplate was, and his voice was striking, major props to the SFX guys. Half the reason I got into playing Mass Effect was to see what happens to Legion, and the story did not disappoint. I found myself engaged into the long, hostile history between the Geth and the Quarians, and more importantly, Legion's relationship with Tali, with the latter beginning to see the Geth as more than the mindless machines whom drove her people away from their home world, and Legion slowly beginning to develop into something far more than what he claimed he was. Needless to say, Legion is undeniably my most favorite Mass Effect character.
he is an AI not a cyborg
@@Blackhawk211 fair enough. My apologies.
@@Southhs Glad you got to experience this masterpiece. Legion...is just beautiful in character development terms. This whole thing was just a beautiful experience imo. *Keelah Se'Lai*
@@Southhs If you Read the Codex/Journal there's a bunch of history and backstory and lore in there about a lot of things that happened in the Mass Effect universe before Shep Becomes a Spectre. and they get updated with more stuff in ME2 and ME3
This is my favorite character in the series -- thanks for putting this together.
Shepard: You watch me or all organics?
Legion: Yes.
Shepard: Which.
Legion: Both.
I love how Legion's dialogues were written. There was a sense of inorganic, machine logic to them, and a bit of inexperience in conversation.
Unforgettable moments!
Legion. That was the most devastating ending I have ever seen
"Was that the first time a Geth asked if it had a soul? No, it was the first time a Creator became frightened when we asked."
25:21 - *(Curious look)* - Is that a Terminator reference?
56:48 - That is a serious crick in the neck General.
Must be! When I heard it i went down to comments and ctrl+f terminator and here you are ^^
10:08 Props to Tali's voice actor for rolling that name out so smoothly.
From the Geth point of view, I feel like the Quarians could just ask to come home and they'd be like, sure, it was always your planet, we just live in stations and servers.
Damn, even a "machine" can be more expressive than maleShep! I love Legion, LOL
Legion gives me Portal vibes. Maybe it's his occasional hull tick that reminds me of the personality cores.
Crimson Voices The “flashlight eye” and the “eyebrows” are reminiscent of the cores, I think.
He (Legion) would confound Glados to no end, I would pay good money to see them meet
This flew over my head until EDI points it out later but right after Legion realizes he has to sacrifice himself and has his "awakening" he starts speaking with I's and proper contractions.
I remember I screwed up royally when I first attempted this mission (basically, because I tried to play a para-gade switching between peaceful and aggressive tactics to keep both options open, and so I didn't have enough renegade points when I reached this). I ended up inadvertently genociding Quarians, and the scene that followed nearly broke my heart. I couldn't bear to see Tali so devastated. And yet I loved that scene for its emotional power.
Tali: shoots
Legion: FRIENDLY FIRE DETECTED SHEPARD COMMANDER HALP!
5:25
Shepard: "You watch me, or you watch organics?"
Legion: "Yes."
Mass Effect: predicting future memes since 2010.
just love that to the question „you watch me or you watch organics“ legion answers with „yes“.
Great application of the logical OR. took me a moment to realize when i first played this.
Legion's story always hit the hardest. He sacrificed himself for the good of others without a second thought.
Legion: " You porcess our memories by using your own. How many creators have you witnessed unmasked? "
Shepard: " Well ... one. "
Legion: " Then your perception of that creator does not map to our historical data. "
Basically saying, Legion didn't want to replace every single Quarian's face with Tali's.
Interacting with Legion and completing his missions paints the Geth as a surprisingly gentle race. They don’t want to hurt anybody, nor do they want to hurt each other. Any conflict they find themselves in is a matter of self-defense
25:07 I love how the game lets you piece it together and has even the characters try to mislead you. Rewriting the heretics is 100% the good thing to do. You're not brainwashing them, you're fixing them. Remember talking to Legion earlier? The heretics ended up believing the old machines to be gods because of a mathematical error introduced by the reapers using the geth basic hardware limitations. YOU ARE FREEING THEM FROM INDOCTRINATION.
On the other hand, it makes bringing peace between them and their creators harder, because the geth more readily submit to indoctrination later.
Thank you for this video! So many interactions with Legion that get missed out on when you want to save the Normandy crew from the Collectors. :(
If you don't mind tinkering with mods you can download gibbed save editor and recruit legion as early as "finishing the intro quest chain and getting the normandy version 2 " He has a lot of lines of dialogue and interactions with other crew members that you can see if you use the editor.
"We are building a concensus. Please try again later."
Maybe I'll use that next time instead of: "Fuck off, I'm busy!" 😂
There's a certain irony in bringing a real, living, active Geth to a trial for Tali allegedly sending live, active, Geth parts to the flotilla.
Playing ME2 I never found myself very interested in what the crew had to say (with exceptions), but I listened to everything Legion said. He’s such an interesting, well-written character.
Legion, Thane, Grunt, Mordin, and Jack are easily the best newer intros. Miranda, Jacob and Samara/Morinth were kinda EHHHH