I'd garner to say love is in the mind, you will it and must keep willing it long after the immediate attraction has run out. Attraction is the gateway but not the finality of love. That's why the common saying of falling in and out of love, is a lie. It was attraction, not love, and once that shininess of it has run its course and your left with the raw individual person, choosing to stick by that person through thick and thin, through the arguments, the disappointments is a choice to love. Love is in the mind, you must will and choose it that's another way love generates apart from your biological genital organs, you create and build a relationship. The Christian perspective is that the sexual union between woman and man, in the context of marriage with the openness to generate new life, is a unique kind of love. That does not take away from other forms of love which are not inferior to marriage. Friendships that last lifetimes where a relationship is created and built can be just as fruitful although in a different sense to marriage. The belief that unless I have a romantic partner, I am destined to suffer loneliness or am unloveable is a lie that has lead many astray, (including myself) to seek sexual pleasure; mistaken as love, and to despair.
Love is in the soul and it doesn’t matter what orientation you are. Love which is true is always healthy even between two men or women. I see love as from a different dimension which is connected to ours however we can’t really control.
It's not to do with genitals or sex. It's about family unit. Gay men have more sexual encounters than even straight people. I never saw my straight buddies getting laid as much as my gay buddies. That does bot give them more stability in relationships. Straight couples who are in love, they come together to make a family, and they rely on each other through hard times and financial problems or kids etc. They have future plans. They way straight men would take care of their partners in everyway, who do not have any jobs, you will never see that kind of thing in gay relationship. Gay couples most often do not have shared future, no kids to look after, they do not have generations like grandkids etc. Straight people are more likely to be in that kind of family unit, that makes their ties stronger. Most gay couples I have seen stay together bcz they fear ending up alone, and they want to stay where they are, moving is more complicated. They go around having sex with other people. Only come together for nice photos, and travelling, and of course telling people how long they have been together. But they are not enough for each other, they are always looking for fresh meat. So many straight love is superficial, but in gay world that is much more prevalant.
@@alex0315 how abt u find a cure for homosexuality and turn everyone straight smart guy? Do u have it ?! Ofcoz not !!!so mind ur goddamn business .. live and let live.. where are u trying to go with “ they cant love each other , they cant be monogamous ???
You base your entire theory on personal experience of seeing your friends who are gay having more sex, rather than thinking critically, and from this extrapolate what this must mean somehow? My dude, what? For one, divorce rate is lower in gays. Think of how many more straight people do have kids on avg, and stick together for the sake of the kids despite wanting a divorce, if they didn't have that keeping them in place it's be even more skewed lol. @@alex0315
I’ve been with my husband since we were 18 years old. We celebrate 18 years together this month. We’re monogamous and are pretty boring. But more in love every day. Meanwhile I’ve witnessed five marriages come and go between my dad, my brother and my sister. We’re the normal, stable ones. What we do with our genitals is between us 🤷🏻♂️
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Congrats on a wonderful marriage. My husband and I were roughly the same age as you guys when we first dated and are now about 50. Also monogamous, but never boring, haha! I think meeting your spouse at a young age is a blessing, bc you have an opportunity to grow together, share milestones, build a life for each other, develop joint friendships and longer relationships with each other's families, and build a really deep foundation of trust. All wonderful things. It's sad that some ppl focus more on genitalia rather than the values that make a union work. Genitalia reflects happenstance, whereas behavior reflects morality, no matter how complicated of an argument you create otherwise. Let's be grateful for the blessings of love, commitment, and marriage. ❤️
It is so funny he reduced homosexual relationships to sexual activity and then said what gay men and lesbian women do sexually is not sex just to say we do not actually love each other. Sounds like a lot of twisting words and concepts of sexuality and sex to appeal to his own world view. Also as a gay man I find it funny that you guys are years strong in your homosexual relationships while so many religious heterosexual relationships are falling apart as we speak. Looks like love is much more than a religious concept.
I’m reminded of how some people think Frodo and Sam are gay because they hug and look at each other. It seems that intense platonic fraternity has been twisted to entail sexual attraction. Two men/women CAN love each other in deep and profound ways and it need not be sexual.
It is one of the saddest aberrations of our generation. The sexualization of all forms of love. A man should be able to tell his male friend that he loves him without it being implied he wants to have sex with him. That was how men used to talk in the past. Before psychoanalysis distorted everything. We used to be open to express love and care for one another without fearing giving off the wrong signals. And that was something we could _only_ do with one another. Precisely because it was something clearly unrelated with sex. A man could feel comfortable to express love to a non-kinsman without expecting any sexual misunderstanding only when he expressed that love to another man... How far we have fallen.
I have encountered people on Twitter who think as such. When I tell them of the devout Catholic who created the characters, they simply disregard his religious beliefs. It's an imposition of modern values on a beautiful work of art.
So what? What you said doesn’t challenge the meaningful distinction between philia and eros; that was my original point, that modern people have largely lost this distinction, and perhaps some same-sex attracted individuals are that way because they can’t tell the difference. In the realm of philia, men and women, men and men, and women and women, can all love each other without desiring or engaging in intimate genital activity with them, you are correct. Sexuality is precisely ordered by nature for men and women to become one flesh and to bring about the next generation. There remains the possibility for men and men/ women and women to erotically love each other by human freedom, which is not necessarily a good thing simply because it is a good thing when it’s philia. Adults and children can have philia love, perhaps like an athlete and his coach, but it obviously goes over the line when it becomes erotic; who’s to say this is not the same with same sex eros?
No, one is not, and this idea is quite wrong-minded given the way God actually allows this world to be, which is struggling to mirror anything divine in the midst of ineffable brokenness. Being gay is another form of being infertile. It’s just the way this world works, and sometimes, minor setbacks can actually become beautiful. We should be focusing on fixing the truly limiting issues humans face, and there is no shortage. The sinfulness of getting the theological accents in the wrong places cannot be overstated.
@@GhostScout42Yes There was a mistake if someone doesn't have legs. There are mistakes in nature. There was a mistake but it doesn't mean that person is bad or sinful. If a man is looking at a another man with lust and desire something went wrong with his nature.
Being gay has nothing to do with being infertile. Stop saying things that aren’t true. There are gay men out there who are married,and have children, and some of them have divorced their wives or their wives divorced them. Look it up and educate yourself before you make these statements.
@@7digitss Being gay does not make one infertile but the homosexual lifestyle is infertile. Nothing can come out of it. That's why it's unnatural, abnormal, and does not coincide with our very existence here which is to survive and procreate.
To me this sounds like weak moral theology as excuse for discrimination against homosexual persons. Sorry, but you can do all the fancy intellectual dancing you want, but two men or two women are capable of loving each other with the same depth, generosity and faithfulness as any heterosexual couple. And yes, it can be expressed genitally and safely as well. And no, this business of "openness to the creation of life" is a hypocritical double standard. The Catholic church will marry heterosexual couples that are past child bearing age. The church also recognizes that the generativity of straight couples can be expressed in other ways besides having children. Additionally, the early church fathers were not united in the opinion that all sex in heterosexual marriage must be for procreation. So, all in all to use these ideas to dehumanize homosexual persons is a hypocritical double standard. What is understood as gay marriage in our day, simply did not exist in the days the Bible was written. There was no concept of this, even in the late classical era. There is no passage about homosexuality in the Bible that could possibly refer to same sex marriage, and gay Christians are not claiming any special exemption from prohibitions against, rape, fornication or adultery. And as far as the Adam and Eve story are concerned, the church has managed to deal with new moral challenges and to respond to them. Just because it isn't in the Bible does not make it wrong. So really what this comes down to is centuries of prejudice that has been rationalized by theology. The German bishops have it right: the Church's moral theology is medieval and is causing needless suffering to millions. Please stop rationalizing it, and instead, do something more constructive by demanding of our leaders to address these inconsistencies and hypocrisies.
So basically he says, you can only love someone (truly) love someone if you have sex with the other. But one of you should have a penis and the other a vagina and there should be new life at the end. So all other people including heterosexuals who can't birth a child, do not love each other truly. What about two people in a friendship who love each other so deeply they would die for each other? (Jesus says there's no greater love then a friend giving up his live for the other) This is such a hurtful message for a lot of people.
I enjoying hearing what straight people have to say about being gay. Or what white people have to say about being black. Or what men have to say about being a woman. So insightful.
Yes, sexual organs have the special ability to start creating new persons, but who has the audacity to decree that is their ONLY purpose? We have mouths that are used primary to eat but we use them to speak, to breathe, to kiss... It's illogical nonsense to restrict the multiple uses of our bodies, as it is of the mind, the heart, the soul... We have the imperative to love in all its forms.
Think about those other examples you mentioned. Eating can be rightly ordered to God, or you can overindulge and fall into gluttony. We can use our speech to praise God and show love to each other, or we can use it to spread gossip and speak blasphemy. So you see we can use our minds and bodies to do good things in the sight or God, or we can use them to do disordered and destructive things. So literally every culture has a set of norms that make up a moral framework that regulates human behavior toward whatever they view as good. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, we have our own set of beliefs that do the same that either originate from God himself or another holy individual writing the inspired words of God. And there's a long history and tradition of thought that has gone into it, so it's worth considering.
He never said that is their only purpose, he is saying that is a the most important component of their true purpose. To render the act steril is kinda like if you could kiss, speak do anything with your mouth, but not eat.
@@jessicablack7503 I agree that the male-female conjunction in necessary to produce a new generation. That indeed seems it's primary function. But its purpose is for two people to feel a spiritual/cosmic kind of melding that is the exultation of love in body and mind. And in that exultation feel the splendor of God's spirit. But as Killian Miller notes, all spiritual bonding need not be also physical.
@@jessicablack7503 How is then the enforced celibacy of gay people not all about rendering sterile the body part made for generation? How am I, as a person struggling with SSA, ever to look at my genitals and not feel like they're being sterilized and rendered as null in this life?
My husband and I have been married for twenty years. Meeting him brought meaning to my life that I never had before. I am not interested in the opinions of a man who buries his head neck deep in his own behind.
This type of christian love idea is what eliminating the option to put our differences aside. There are more types of love than love to god, and the same sex couples just ask for you to accept this
@smiledaydreammusicandrecov4463 God either exists or he does not. All evidence points to the existence of a creator. You have free will to accept God, or to deny God. (example: if the Big Bang theory is true, which I think it is, where did it come from? Either you believe in eternal matter or an eternal creator.) Love is a free decision, true, real love is desiring the best for another even at the expense of yourself. It's a decision. Not a fleeting emotion.
This type of preaching only caters to straight men. Straight men wouldn’t understand what it’s like to love the same sex, or what sex is really like for a woman but they tell that it’s wrong if it doesn’t cater to them.
There are tons of straight couples that are unable to have children, but they can still love each other. Also, the majority of people have sex for a romantic connection, or just pleasure, that's the way people are. You can't speak about people's experiences and whether or not they love their partner because you haven't been in their shoes, and even then what does it matter to you? Who are you to judge, and why should it even bother you in the first place? Please just live and let live
@Shareace Gray There is nothing experientially different about heterosexual sex or homosexual sex, besides the obvious. Men and women do not become a single organism as he claims, that's just nonsense. You can argue that reproduction is(or was) the determining factor is how genitals work(just as the rest of our bodies) but it doesn't really mean that they're a good match. I'm going to be blunt here. The average vaginal canal is only two to three inches long, whereas the average penis is over five inches long with variation, to the point where it's not uncommon for the male partner to have triple the length necessary. The Clitoris is poorly stimulated by penetration in most women, the male prostate is almost never stimulated during normal heterosexual sex, despite it being more sensitive than most parts of the male body. But that doesn't matter, sex is not an equation where you have to match. It's a socio-psyological experience just as much as a physical one and to claim that one is inherently better because it can produce children isn't even relevant.
Infertile straight couples are still OPEN to having children, regardless of whether they actually can or not. I don't think you heard the video; any relationship, hetero or homo can be one of real love in that each person wills the very good of another. Having sexual relations is a different matter all together. The goal of this truth is for people to find happiness and peace. A heterosexual loving relationship that is freely given, totally giving of self, faithful and devoted, and FRUITFUL in that it is open to creation does that. A sexual homosexual relationship can not be fruitful, it's a self-serving relationship not open to creating a new being. We are to judge and proclaim what is truth. The Bible verse about "judging" means we can not judge who will make it to heaven....that is God's job. We can judge right actions and wrong actions. (Killing an innocent person is wrong...that's an example our judgement used in the right way)
@@robertmathews5245 Producing children is not the sole goal of factor in sex or marriage. And frankly a gay trans person has more chance of having children than any straight couple who are missing any of the crucial functions or parts. Not to mention that Queer people are open to having children, they have children all the time. Love is the fundamental doctrine of our faith, to say that love is worthless without children is tantamount to heresy, and while I don’t say this often, you should feel ashamed for devaluing love.
@@Grokford yes, I know several gay persons who bought children and now they own them and purport they “have” them. It’s horrible. People in the future will look at this with the same right condemnation as we now look at slavery.
So does this mean gay people who can not be made to be attracted to the opposite sex can never experience the "two becoming one flesh as a living sign of the eternal life giving love of the Trinity"? Does this mean that an attraction to the opposite sex is a requirement for a human being to ever be able to experience the renewal of their sexual desire as such that it mirrors the Love of the Trinity? So gay people can't ever be united with God then because they can't be made attracted to the opposite sex? I mean, just how important is it to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex? Please answer.
For the 1st question yes..the same goes to heterosexual people that never marry. We have desire and they are not bad but as they do not correspond to the free total faithful fruitful love of God, we cannot live out our desire. It sounds unfair but that is where we have to deny ourself. It's the cross we need to carry to follow Him. Heterosexual couples that do marry surely have their own cross and need to deny themselves in other ways. The 3rd question I think it is not that way because sexual relationship is not the only way one can be united with God...We can be close to God through other vocation, through our work, our ministries, our charities..etc.
@@shabellap840 At the very least then, the cross of sexuality is more like a curse to escape from that haunts us all our lives than anything resembling "good news"... and it would've been better if God didn't make me capable of being attracted to others at all. And how do you experience the "renewal" of your sexual desire such that it "mirrors the Divine Life of the Trinity" via your work? God doesn't make things for no purpose, and He "makes all things new," right? Well how does He "make new" my desires via my work life then? I mean, it's either that (that our sexual desires get redeemed via our.... work?), or there's no hope for the redemption of the bodies of the unmarried. Also, I am not a work-machine. I need affection at some point in my life. I can't just work myself into the ground and go without human contact.
Okay. Sex is not a symbol of the trilogy, that it not it's function. No one is required to have any sex at all or get married. Both Jesus and Paul validate celibacy as legitimate. But Queer love is no different than the love between a heterosexual couple. Any conception of Queer people that denies their fundamental human capacity to love is a false start.
The trilogy is a a deeply intimate perfect union and like mindedness; this description can’t possibly describe its depth. The sexual union between a man and a woman is a foreshadowing of that union. We are created in the image of the trilogy; therefore we behave as such….when done in goodness of course.
How can you draw conclusions about what you haven't experienced? "True love and sex." Who determines this? You? religious ideology? Or a couple who feels love, sexual attraction and orgasm. Sex is more than a reproductive instinct. Love, relationships are more than sex. The psychophysiology of love is the same for heterosexuals, bisexuals and homosexuals. These are just facts. But people have different temperaments, characters, etc. And yet, some people, regardless of orientation, meet each other just for sex, but sometimes we fall in love with someone... We want to live with someone and go through life together... People build comfortable relationships with those they want to.
!!!!!!!! The psychophysiology of love & or sex is the same for heterosexuals, bisexuals and homosexuals (this has already been scientifically proven) !!!!!!!!!!!
My husband has been ridiculed and told by his friends to leave me because I am gay. Yet he stayed by my side. We received death threats and etc. because we are in relationship with each other. He loved me so much to the point of him cutting off his homophobic friends and homophobic family for me. He literally sold his entire house, car, and everything he had until he became homeless just to get money to see me and start a new life with me from his home country over 2,000 miles away. He has unhesitatingly done things for me most people would think twice about doing for their partner. So as a gay person in a relationship do not tell me gay people cannot love each other and it is lust. You have no idea what it means to love as a gay man. We do not have to prove that we can love each other to your heterosexual satisfaction. We actually have to fight for our love whereas your love is given to you on a silver platter as a heterosexual person. ----------------------------- Reply to Killian: Male and female was not created. Sex is something which evolved over time. Yes they can reproduce with each other. But just because you can produce with someone does not mean you should now be romantically/sexually involved with them. That is not the reality of what we observe. I never said two male men can have children together. But the way still can have kids brought surrogacy and sperm donation. Nature is not a fool it knows the difference between vaginal sexual intercourse and achievement of sexual reproduction. Also homosexuality is not an imitation of heterosexuality. It is different from heterosexuality. Same sex acts between males does imitate what a woman feels like, you want to know why? Because they are male men of the same sex not females/women. Same sex acts are a form of sexual intercourse specifically anal and oral. Also yes you are right same sex acts are not sex in the sense of heterosexual activity. But once again this goes back to your bias of comparing homosexuality to heterosexuality when they are two separate phenomenon. Another thing genital stimulation is a form of sexual intercourse. Stimulation can be by self (e.g., masturbation) or by a sexual partner (sexual intercourse or other sexual activity), by use of objects or tools, or by some combination of these methods. Source: Wikipedia, [6] Based on "masturbation" in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003 Gay people do not use the male-female dynamic. What exactly do you mean by that? Gay people use sexual reproduction. Sexual reproduction is distinct from sexual intercourse, sexuality, and etc. I think you are confusing all three as the same when they are not. You do not have to be in a romantic/sexual connection to reproduce children. It all goes back to what you said as long as you have a sperm cell, egg cell, and a place for the zygote to grow sexual reproduction is achievable. Using IVF and sperm donation does not erase the fact you are gay meaning you still have exclusive romantic/sexual attraction to the same sex. Also I would like to point out some heterosexual couples are indefinitely infertile and cannot have biological children together at all. So for them it is an impossibility. Para 5 response: How do gay people contribute to society? They have children and sexually reproduce. Also they contribute to the economy. Compared to the heterosexual community homosexual male men couples have a lower rate of divorce, less cases of domestic abuse, and etc. Source: rgfamilylaw.com Same sex couples are better at raising children while attending school. Source: University of Oxford You want to know what is more important than family in terms of society. Connection between people in the society itself. So if a heterosexual couple financially and medically take care of each other does that mean they are platonic friends too, or are they actually a couple who take care of each other because they may actually love each other so they decided to be in union together? Why is it different for a homosexual couple who takes care of each other because they genuinely love one another? Homosexual communities influence heterosexual communities in ways such as lesser competition for a heterosexual person to find a mate because they are not heterosexually inclined, reproduction because some gay people reproduce people who turn out to be heterosexual also in terms of science some great scientists were actually homosexually inclined. They made discoveries which influence us today. Also in what ways do homosexuals remaining single benefit society? Honestly after listening to you I would say your valid are filled with discriminatory bias because you constantly compare homosexuals to a heterosexual lifestyle which is ignorant. It is ignorant because we are not authentically heterosexual meaning we will never fit into the heterosexual lifestyle. We can pretend to be heterosexual but that is not real. It is a lie and as I said pretending.
I would not say there is absolutely no love among SSA people, and as you mention some people sacrifice a lot just to be together. But if you have to fight for it, perhaps it isn’t natural. This goes back to what love is. Is it just sexual in nature? Or is that merely one aspect of “willing the good of the other (the definition of love)?” The sexual union is still disordered no matter how much genuine love you have for each other in other respects like sacrificing friends and property, because you cannot ever do what a man and a woman can do; at best it is an imitation of what man and woman do. If you only love those who love you and hate those who oppose your situation, what reward is there in that?
@@killianmiller6107 What about homosexual couples who did not have to fight for a successful relationship? Does that mean it is natural that they did not fight for it? I now I said heterosexuals have their love given to them on a silver platter but let us say that is not the situation. What about heterosexual couples who fought for their relationship too? Does it mean they now have an unnatural relationship because they fought for it? Also what makes homosexuality sexually disordered? Explain that for me in detail. We are adults here. And yes I agree with you homosexuals can never do what a man and woman can do. Many homosexuals try to fit into heterosexual normatives without realizing they cannot because they are homosexual. We as homosexuals must make a culture and lifestyle suitable for ourselves rather than trying to pretend to fit into heterosexual lifestyles. Also it is not an imitation of a heterosexual union because it is a homosexual union. Once again it goes back to what I said trying to fit homosexuality into heterosexual norms is not suitable. We as homosexuals must figure out our own culture fit for us just like heterosexual people do as well. Another thing we do not hate others who oppose our situation. As a matter of fact we stay far away from them because they do not actually respect the fact we are a homosexual couple and try to force their traditional hetero-normative ideologies onto us. The reward of doing such a thing is that we are much happier together in our homosexual union compared to forcing ourselves into a traditional heterosexual union not suitable for us as homosexuals.
I do not see how a homosexual culture could even sustain itself if it didn’t entirely rely on heterosexuality being way more prominent. It’s similar to the saying “liberals don’t have kids, they have yours” because libs are more likely to support abortion and contraception, and their ideology is very prominent in education, entertainment, and media, so the kids that conservatives/moderates have are converted to liberalism. Society and culture by extension only exists as long as it perpetuates itself through generations. You see how this follows? There are indeed ways to play a part in generating the culture without bringing about its next generation, such as through charitable living and dedicating yourself to a fruitful vocation, that’s why not all people are called to marriage or even priesthood, but some to consecrated singlehood. The argument being that active gay unions are not a fruitful vocation any more than simply being very close friends is.
I have always been attracted to other males since I was a 5 year old boy. I remember crushing on male cartoon characters like Bugs Bunny when I was that age, then my crushes toward males turned sexual and toward humans in late elementary and middle school and I fantasized sexual acts and intimacy with other boys at school on my own. This just came naturally and no one exposed me to anything and I was never abused growing up. My family was prudish, conservative religious, and anti-gay and I did not even know what the term gay even meant even though I had these intense sexual and affectionate desires for other boys at school. And then as I got older, I continued to exclusively have crushes and sexual feelings for other boys and men. I am now 37 years old and am still the same... always have been. The idea of kissing or having any affection with females makes me feel disgust and queasiness. And I am a man who does not bond with females and feel a repulsion toward being around them honestly. I kept this to myself my entire life so not even my parents know this for sure, but my family wonders why I am nearly 40 years old and have never married, nor had a single girlfriend, and never express any interest in women or talk about them. I was raised Christian conservative and praying for years for Jesus to do his will with this, but nothing ever changed in me after many decades so Jesus either does not exist or doesn't care about my sexual orientation. So here I am a 37 year old man, who has never felt any sexual attraction to females ever in his life and all my sexual and affectionate feelings are toward men and boys only, starting at age 4 or 5. I am convinced this is just how my mind and soul is wired. I then read the Bible in the my early thirties and I saw so much barbarism in it, saw it's contradictions and problems, the atrocities committed by Christians throughout history, and realized after going to church and praying for many, many years that there was never any evidence any god or Jesus was ever listening to me in my own life, I then became an Ex-Christian atheist or agnostic. I am no longer religious and see Earth as largely a mystery as to its origins. I see Christianity as just another religion among thousands created by humans to explain a mystery of a world and to control others.
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I'm sorry that you've struggled with keeping this secret for so long. It seems many gay men turn to God to change their orientation once they recognize it, only to find that God doesn't grant that wish. I went through this as a teenager, even to the point where I thought God was leading me towards heterosexuality when, in fact, it was an important lesson that no matter how much we desire something and commit to being good and kind and honorable in life, He still sometimes says no to our petitions. Sadly, as in your case, this causes many struggling gay men to be disappointed in God to the point where they doubt His very existence. I believe that's a knee jerk reaction to feeling unheard, when in fact it's an opportunity to deepen our understanding of, and relationship with, God. The biggest realization I had while still a teenager was that it's not my place to question God's creation, but it's my obligation to honor and respect it. Asking God to "change" what I had always felt my whole life, as you did, was arrogant and naive. We don't second guess God. Some people are born with no arms, some with cerebral palsy, and that isn't something that God changes after the fact either. God created nature, nature created us, so we are who we are meant to be. Now, how do we honor and respect that creation? That's where religions and their denominations differ and disagree, and of course everyone thinks they've got it right and everyone else has it wrong. I would encourage anyone to focus less on seeking or debating the perfect answer than always reminding oneself that we are all obligated to honor and respect creation in ourselves and others. When we're in tune with that creation, and we have constant awareness, gratitude, and awe of God's gifts to us, then our behaviors follow intuitively, and we don't desire unhealthy behaviors in the first place.
@@tstieber I no longer feel any shame or care that I am gay. I am proud of my sexual orientation and just see as apart of me. I actually like being more different in this regard from the mainstream. If I ever partner with anyone, it will be a male and not a female. As I know now that is my nature. And my atheism/agnosticism came from my own reading of the Bible and seeing it's serious problems and then realizing after several decades of prayer that no one is really listening to me or if they are, they don't care what I have to say. There was never any kind of relationship except wishful thinking or in my imagination to some god out of a Bronze Age book.
@@timothydowd4180 fair enough. Thx for sharing that. My connection to God was always deep and intense, even though I grew up in a completely agnostic household. Go figure! Glad you found your path and your comfortability with the reality of who you are. Best of luck!
@@timothydowd4180 Hey Tim, I don't know about the Church you went to, but I just wanted to say that I think you might be misinformed about the Catholic teaching on homosexuality and sexuality in general. Many Christians are under the false impression that they can get married and suddenly they don't have to fight lust anymore, and therefore gay people are simply out of luck. Not true at all. We are ALL called to carry this cross. We are all broken. Gay, straight, bisexual, whatever. I am a married straight man, but I am not allowed to use my wife as a "release" valve to satisfy my broken lustful desires. I have a very, very lustful heart. I fixate on every beautiful woman I see. Some of my earliest memories are of being a little kid at the mall with my mom and staring slack-jawed at the teenage girls walking around. But that's not right, that's disordered. Just like a person born blind has a disorder, and we should try and either fix it or use it for some good. The Church isn't picking on you because you are gay, it's calling ALL of us to overcome our disordered passions and love each other as God intended.
It is not enough to provide reasoned argument for heterosexual normalcy. What is the vision for those with homosexual orientation to live out their life as Christians? The Catechism states that 'they do not choose their condition..' and the Church generally agrees that they cannot change their orientation. It has to be more than just be a list of 'don't's. There has to be a positive vision for life and concrete welcome and support. How about a video on that?
@@pastorbri A lot of heterosexuals don't treat love and sex in the same category...A heterosexual couple in a committed relationship/marriage/family is different..
Instead of seeing sex as only between man and woman. Open your mind to the benefits of same sex activity. Closeness, bonding, a deeper spiritual love. If it can exist between opposite sex it can exist between the same.
Just because a gay couple can still love each other doesn’t mean their love isn’t misplaced. A love between two of the same sex is meant to be platonic, not erotic. Think of those who are in an incestuous relationship for example: they can still genuinely love each other, but the fact that they’re in an incestuous relationship is where they fall short of that love. If there are any benefits evident within a gay relationship, it’s the manifest results of the genuine bits of love still present within any unhealthy relationship. However, that doesn’t mean the genuine bits of love justify where the love becomes misplaced.
Genital union is not the exclusive manner of engendering life. The love of two people of the same sex may also be open to procreation. See the many gay and lesbian couples who have children, and the many gay and lesbian couples who contribute to the quality of life of society in services, in the arts, etc.
Sorry, by *his* made up definition, it doesn't count! By pure luck of the draw, heterosexuals are automatically superior just by existing. If you can't make a baby, then your actions as a human being will never be good enough. To think that this man invokes his faith to make such an argument makes me want to apologize to God on his behalf... 😢
How bizarre that love is so very,very centered on biological reproduction and organs. Homosexuality is not an activity, it was and always will be a form of affection and love.
@@ctfh1236aslong as you are not a homosexual yourself you wont ever know if its lust or love thats first of all second of all if people tell you that they love each other they usually do
To love another person is to will their good - and the good of that person’s eternal soul. You are really just engaging in feel good behavior to express your feelings, but Satan deceives. Nicholas Cage said it well in Moonstruck when he wanted to bed Cher- -I don’t care if I go to hell I don’t care if YOU go to hell …
Given that all couples, gay or straight, have the capacity to fulfill the first three of his definitional criteria, and only the last one requiring openness to the possibility of procreation differentiates gay and straight unions, he is essentially saying that true love hinges exclusively on procreation and nothing else. Considering the number of out of wedlock babies, infertile couples, or those beyond child-bearing age, that's totally illogical on multiple levels. Keep in mind, this is just one guy who cleverly made up his own criteria specifically so that they would automatically exclude gay unions by definition, but that doesn't mean whatever he made up is irrefutable. As someone in an indescribably wonderful 31 year same-sex relationship, I can only shake my head at this gentleman's lack of insight into the human heart and psyche. How sad I am -- for him -- that he puts this much effort into making up his own definitions to minimize the total commitment that people make to each other, and to think that being straight by luck of the draw makes him morally superior. It's amazing how publicly arrogant some people are and don't even recognize it.
@@tstieber Ok well you are incorrect about the main points. To marry in the Catholic Church, a couple needs to be able to create what the Church calls a “one flesh union”, which the Church teaches can only be accomplished through the union of one man and one woman. Also, love does not require natural procreation, he is clear about that. It requires full openness to life through natural conception between the partners and only the partners, in keeping with the idea that God in his love is faithful and makes a complete gift of Himself to us, and sex that withholds the fertility of one of the partners does not correspond to the example set by God. A homosexual couple can provide each other with companionship, but that does not require marriage, they cannot fulfill the other two conditions, according to the Church. I’m guessing you would argue that they can, but the Church has the authority to decide who is married in the Church, and the meaning of the terms in its own marriage laws.
@@JGComments I do understand and acknowledge the Catholic doctrine, and of course any church does and should have the right to define its religious marriage laws, I'm merely pointing out the superficial inconsistencies. Referencing my original comment about heterosexual couples that are infertile or too old to conceive, it would seem that the church should not marry them either, since they would be incapable of fulfilling the core condition of the church required for marriage. But this is not the case. According to my brief online research on AI, "the Church acknowledges that natural biological processes may prevent couples from having children, and this does not invalidate the marriage. The essential aspect is that the couple is open to the possibility of children if it were possible and that they fulfill the other purposes of marriage, including mutual support and love." That seems like a pretty convoluted argument, to say that marriage must be about having and raising children, but if that's not possible, then just get married anyway as long as you are of the mindset that you would be open to procreation in theory. There are many homosexual couples who would be absolutely open to procreation if they were biologically programmed to be attracted to the opposite sex so that they could accomplish it. Their sexual orientation would also be a 'natural biological process' that prevents them from having children. But the exception only applies to heterosexuals, which is where there is a logical inconsistency. The church makes a blanket exception for heterosexuals only, in complete contravention of its stated objective, and that exception makes the stated objective essentially meaningless. As for the other purposes of marriage not related to procreation, why would you say that a homosexual couple could not fulfill them? Those are not dependent upon gender and are in fact being fulfilled by many couples.
@@tstieber First of all, thank you for your respectful stance toward the Church and its authority to define the rules of its community. The church only requires that the couple not be impotent, i.e. that they be able to complete the marital act. If they are infertile, the reasoning is that God could intervene and provide a child if He so wished. This even applies to extreme situations such as a woman that had a hysterectomy. The key is the disposition of the couple toward unity and procreation, an openness to life whenever they engage in the marital act. When sex is divorced from these, the Church considers this disordered, meaning aimed at the wrong thing, and therefore sinful. This is what the Church calls lust. So for example, a heterosexual married couple that desired a sterile relationship (ie were unwilling to have children) would be disordered. In the case of a homosexual couple, the Church cannot marry them and the relationship is intrinsically disordered. This is because if God is love, and God commands that marriage be one woman and one man, to reject this command is definitionally contrary to love and the good of each partner. This is the same standard that is applied to heterosexuals who cohabitate. This command is very clear in Scripture, from the establishment of marriage in Eden to Mosaic law, to the pattern given by Christ and his affirmation of all of the Mosaic law, and finally to the writings of the Apostles. Also, the Church does not require that the couple have children, again only to be open to having children. There are many reasons that the Church calls “just” reasons to not have children, such as not being able to afford to care for the child, and in these situations, the Church requires that the couple abstain,since the marital act is always to be engaged in with full openness to life. Again, the homosexual couple might wish to have natural children and might wish to for a one flesh union, but they simply cannot achieve either in terms of how the Church defines these. They cannot, for example, achieve the type of unity that God commands and that we were designed for, The nature of the relationship is incompatible with the purposes and meaning of Catholic marriage. The Church doesn’t not consider their drive to be natural, but to be a deep seated desire that is disordered. Again, this is also the same stance the Church takes toward the heterosexual couple who refuses to marry or have children, or who refuses to abstain when they are not open to having children for a just reason, there is no special rule for homosexuals. Homosexuals are simply not able to create a marriage as the Church defines it.
church lectures often young people they misinterpret sexual attraction as true love and that everyone before marriage can express their love in non-sexual way. and now here we are flattening the complex and deep relationship (called love) between two people and bringing it down only to fertility. hey Mr. Smart Guy say that again to married couples who have to carry the burden of infertility . I think I should assume all the titles of vids uploaded have nothing to do with content of the vid. I was wondering what's wrong with love of same-sex couple on the emotional level and what do I get? lecture about physical love. I wish the author could raise a bit the level of debate. I'm so disappointed 😞
Same, I'm Christian and also pansexual, I wanted useful information, not a close minded discussion giving praise to fertility instead caring deeply for a loved one.
So many questions! So what does that mean for... Christian couples who don't have sex? Or are they encouraged that their genitals join and create life? And if so, I'm assuming sex should only be to procreate? That it's strictly intercourse? What about Christian couples who are infertile? What does that mean for them?
Homosexuality evolved. It reinforces a SUPERIOR bonding of the family unit. Extra protection and SUPERIOR mental capabilities as homosexuals buck trends, take more chances, and are generally more successful, giving a greater advantage to the family units offspring.
Even straight couples have sex for pleasure and not just for procreation - I’ve never heard of love for genitals --- it usually starts w a look, a conversation etc…..
A whole lot of heterosexual couples have gotten married and not been "head over heels" in love. I know one woman who said on the day of the wedding, that divorce was always an option. A friend of mine told me not to care if a girl was the right party or religion or liked sports. Just marry a good person. Fortunately, I ignored that advice. I know men whose relationships soured, in part, because their wives feigned interest in sports or music, and then flipped after the wedding. You have to think that 2 gay men or women who have similar views on issues ranging from baseball teams to the discipline of children will have the kind of love that a heterosexual couple who got married solely because of looks and bedroom performance won't.
Two men and two women can have great friendships and live together as roommates if they want, but because they cannot marry or produce children, any romance or sexual interest they have serves no purpose
@@kathyalex778 What?! How stupid offensive are you?! Serve no purpose?! The romancve and sex are the reward themselves. There doesn't have to be anything else.
@@kathyalex778it serves no procreative purpose, which could be an argument regarding marriage, for example, but it is not an argument about the definition of "true love." That's just his made up definition. It's a ridiculous definition, bc what about heterosexual couples who can't get pregnant bc of fertility problems or age? Not true love by his definition. He's trying really hard here, but he's defining the wrong thing
Ey so you shouldn't engage in premarital sex, right ? And sex between a man and a man/ a women and a women isn't really sex ? Well my oh my it looks like none of the gays will ever break the law of chastity
The good Lord has brought me and my husband a same sex attracted neighbor. By providence I have been cooking him dinner once a week and showing him Christs love. I don’t know if he knows if I am a Catholic but I pray for him as I make the food. We never know how our Lord is using us to reach the suffering. May the good Lord be with you all ❤.
what about transgenders that are together? gay and lesbian in marriage with kids and is raising their own family? are you saying, they are an exemption of your ignorance?
Was roped into this video by the controversial question of the video title and all I have to say is “Wow”. What a beautiful, purposeful, and considerate answer to such a complicated question. I’ve watched a couple of your videos on The Good News Of Sex and Marriage, and have found all of them to be very well-done. You have my subscription.
The man said that gay sex is impossible, but that gay sex was a ruining the sexual representation of God. The man is essentially making it all up, none of this is scriptural.
YESSS HE HAS HIS ANSWERS FROM THE BOOK THEOLOGY OF THE BODY BY JOHN PAUL II AND BENEDICT AND FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.....NO ONEEE IS BORN GAY NOR TRANS AND GENETIC SCIENCE AND THE WORD OF GOD PROVE IT.....LOOK FOR FRANCIS COLLINS WORK HE IS THE FARHER OF HUMAN GENOMA.....AND THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS GOD DIDNT CREATE ANY OF THOSE DISORDERED BEHAVIOURS.....ROMANS 1, 24 32....CORINTIANS.....APOCALYPSE.....GENESIS....ETC
Respectfully, can we start asking legitimate questions concerning this topic without letting our mortal biases creep in? Many gay Christians, such as myself, and outsiders NEED the church to actually understand us first before making conclusions they know nothing about. It's a luxury to judge others with one-off verses and call it "clear text" because you were fortunately born straight and never had to struggle with your existence, but millions and millions of people have a different reality. Maybe answering legitimate questions might reveal the Truth one way or another, or bring more people to Christ. For one, "genital union" is not in the Bible as the only acceptable union (Song of Songs). People born without genitals or both genitals are male or female? What about chromosomes? If the biological fact is "genitals", why is the biological fact of homosexuality ignored? Or intersexuality? If the issue is not being able to procreate, why is celibacy okay? Why are non-procreative forms of sex okay with straight couples? If women mirror the bride of the church and men mirror God, does that mean God represents a male genital and the church represents a female genital? Or is it the essence of man and woman? If then genitals don't define man or woman, what does?
Thank you for your honest comment @nicholasguzman5560 ! If you'd be open to a fuller and more nuanced explanation of the topic, Christopher has a best selling book where he addresses in detail many of your legitimate questions. He speaks from his own experience as a broken and fallen man that has experienced the joy of what Christ came to reveal about our humanity and sexuality. You can find it here: shop.corproject.com/products/good-news-about-sex-and-marriage
It actually took us about ten minutes to figure out of this was parody or real, it's trying so hard to create an argument for looking down on others in a loving way and without any understanding of reality. But everyone wants to be an expert these days, and some will buy into it...
Love is not reducible to sexual expresion. Love as a romantic feeling is beyond sexo and genitals, is About complementation and sacrifice The way two people ended up functioning as one in The persuit of a shared project and goals. Also neuropsycology has conclued there are not differences betwen what a same sex couple feel for one each other or what an heterosexual couple also feel: The exact same brain áreas are stimulated and The same fisiological responses are registrated, that is a biological truth not An interpretation of Nature based on an ancient book you don't understand.
@2:42 -- And you lost. Elderly couples get into new, loving relationships all the time. Their unions are most certainly *not* open to the possibility of new life. This is why your side lost on marriage. Your definition of love and marriage was carefully reverse engineered to *not* include gay couples (who obviously can't procreate), but that definition almost always leaves out the elderly. Your side could never figure out how to include one but not the other.
yah, right? love is about genitals and genital pleasure for him. God is love, and He sacrificed His son because of His love for us. Jesus, was not made by fucking. even Jesus, was not carried through a semen from a penis.. Come on now!
@killianmiller6107 50% of hetro marriage & christian too end in divorce. Gay marriage at 2%. So much for the godly family unit. Male to male bond & female to female is a superior bond beyond hetro comprehension.
So, love between two people of the same sex is not love if its sexual. Because of...the Bible. When I watch a video like this, I always think of the children and young people with same-sex attraction who grow up in communities where this type of reductive christianity is taught. They grow up knowing they are not real (thats what John MacArthur teaches) and that the love they feel is not real either. They suffer from massive self-hate and feel they are not worthy of anything good. They are told that God is monitoring their every thought and if they won't change, they will go to hell. Mr. West, you have no idea what you are talking about. I would love to see you tell the gay couples who have been together for years that their love is really not love at all. You use the Bible as an instrument of social control. Saying things like "people only know real love if they love god" is really ridiculous.
To be fair, you might have noticed that none of what he was saying was from the Bible. It was mostly cultural bias and bad folk-etymology. People can't even be consistent. That's how you can tell that they're more attached to their beliefs than their faith.
How did you reduce mr West’s talk to that? Did you hear it? At all? True real love is desiring the absolute best for the other person. Male to male, male to female, female to female…doesn’t matter. I have sincere care for you to the point of dying for you. That’s love. sex is not live. Sex is an expression of love.
@@Grokford Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality (malakoi and arsenokoitai), nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality (arsenokoitai), enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. - 1 Timothy 1:9-10
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392 Those are now well-known mistranslations. You do realize don't you that homoxesuality is a trait not something you practise, so the meaningless of that translation should have been a red flag.
I think a better way to address this issue is to ask, are you in love with your partner or their body? Really think about it honestly. If they admit to love the bodily attraction more than treating people as people, that's treating people like objects.
That's not wrong but it's also completely irrelevant. There are many Queer people who have primarily physical relationships and attractions, just as there are many straight people who do the same. But unless you have some profoundly detailed data that proves that not a single Queer person loves their partner then it's not really a useful criticism of Queer love or sexuality.
I think a successful marriage comes from both a deep soul connection and a physical attraction at the same time. True for straight and gay ppl the same
I talked to a Lesbian Friend and this is what they argue about the sexuality topic: Men do not care about women"s pleasure since all they think is about penetration which gives them pleasure but most times does not give an orgasm to the woman. They believe that men are selfishly just thinking about getting in and out will the women is not even at 50% harraused, therefore lesbians prefer homosexual sex since another woman will put on the work to pleasure the other person. I understand the point of view and unfortunately had no argument to say otherwise even if I know that homosexual relationships are sinful, maybe and just maybe, men have something to do with the huge amount of women who have turned gay lately.
It is so selfish. Imagine having a problem with someone choosing their own lifestyle, because of the way nature made them which doesn’t even affect you in any way. How can people be so self centered and selfish in this world. It seems like almost every human has to always have some generalized enemy/ies. I’m sure that god loves gay and straight people equally, because the being gay itself does not in any way affect human society badly. I hate when people think they know more than god does. It really shows the abuse of power in this world. Love is in the soul and it doesn’t matter what orientation you are. Love which is true is always healthy even between two men or women. I see love as from a different dimension which is connected to ours however we can’t really control.
People don’t “turn gay”. I know countless straight women who say men are selfish- that doesn’t mean they’re lesbian because they can’t choose who they’re attracted to
Whatever the Catholic Church is in denial about their sexual misconduct with children. So you don't really have a solid case against anybody's sex life.
You will never know how it feels like to be told that my love is ultimately wrong. And I highly doubt that scientists can find any difference between the feelings of two people not willing to reproduce and does who do. That's just not how it works. I really hope that one day you realize that the relationship between my husband and me actually IS true love.
Thank you for your honest comment! We hold brothers and sisters with same sex attraction close to our hearts. We are always trying to convey our message with charity. If you'd be open to more nuance on where Christopher is coming from, here are some other videos that could help: ruclips.net/video/ONHPwfl9_VI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/7jbhFD8oYQ0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/IrVwbpTcjZ0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/kTP8ChVHK2k/видео.html
What kind of question is this? Its disgusting how people who are meant to bring people together through God dehumanise people for loving each other to the point of questioning something that is entirely not their business.
The issue of gays and their rights to enjoy love in the way heterosexuals do has been at the forefront of late. I am not referring to one-night hookups which are forbidden in the same way they are for heterosexuals but rather, couples living in loving monogamous same-sex relationships that reflect the love God has for all His subjects. While I agree that gay marriage as defined presently by the Catholic Church is not possible, there remains a growing effort for the Church to recognize the love, partners in monogamous gay unions, have for each other. While this type of marriage sacramentally is not possible, allow me to explain what might be. There is a social/sexual revolution coming in the Church. In one aspect of this coming revolution, the Church wants to expound on Pope John Paul’s central idea in “Theology of the Body” and how it centers on the fact that God wants a deep intimate loving relationship with each of us in the same way a committed monogamous heterosexual couple enjoys. It is not meant to reflect this in the physical sense but is mirrored in that way, to reflect the deep love God has for each of us, and the Church attempts to bring to light, to celebrate the joy and exultation that comes from such a love. The Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality has long been that it is not inherently sinful, as a person does not choose to be either homosexual or heterosexual. However, the Church has always taught that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered” and “contrary to natural law”. According to the Catholic theology on sexuality, all sexual acts must be open to procreation by nature and express the symbolism of male-female complementarity. The Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality has been founded on the belief in a natural order created by God, as it has been based on the idea that sexual acts should be by the natural law of procreation and male-female complementarity. This theology has been used to form the Church’s view on the sacrament of Marriage and the notion that marriage is only permitted for a union between a man and a woman. “Male and female he created them.” (Gen. 1:27) Recent scientific developments, however, may influence how the Church addresses this issue in the future. Some feel God may be working in His Church to rectify a wrong that has survived for centuries. Could the coming changes in the Church and yes, changes are coming, possibly be the work of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus promised? Could Pope Francis be His messenger in all of this? The principle of doctrinal development in Catholicism allows for the Church's understanding of its teachings to evolve and develop over time while still preserving the core truths of the faith. Some examples of this are Original Sin, the Trinity and the doctrine of Purgatory, the Eucharist, the Canon of Scripture, religious liberty, social justice, and the role of women in the Church and society, but to name a few. Should the beliefs of the Church in the area of homosexuality and same-sex unions not evolve when presented with modern scientific evidence that proves otherwise or, should She remain with Her head in the sand in the interest of maintaining the status quo and “preserving the gospel”? The Catechism says, the Church and Her theology, cannot be at odds with science (CCC 159). The Church teaches that faith and reason must always be in agreement or, one or both, are in error (CCC 36, 286). Medical experts have stated they can find no studies to show that homosexuality is an abnormality in the human person. Experts now widely agree (American Psychological Association (APA), World Health Organization (WHO), American Medical Association (AMA), World Medical Association (WMA), National Academy of Sciences (NAS), National Library of Medicine, and many other numerous research studies) that homosexuality is a natural variation of human sexuality rather than a conscious choice made by individuals or an unnatural disorder the homosexual was born with. Scientific studies NOW conclude that homosexuality will make up 3% of the population, no matter what, and that homosexuality IS part of the natural order. So, it seems our knowledge of this matter has changed. Should not our theology develop and evolve in light of these new findings? After all, aren’t homosexuals made in the image and likeness of God, as we all are? If we are not to dispute the scientific and medical consensus, the question then becomes, are homosexuals not allowed to carry out God’s plan of love and commitment in the best way possible, in loving monogamous same-sex unions? Are they not allowed to participate in true love and commitment that mirrors Christ’s love for us on the cross in the same way heterosexual couples who have impediments to marriage, are given dispensations by the Church, even though they cannot fulfil all marriage requirements? It is through no fault of their own, that gays are who they are. God made them as surely as he made you and me, and we all know, God doesn’t make junk.
This is a bunch of bs. What happens if a straight couple never have children or cant. By him its nor a real marriage. I have been in a mongamous relationship with two men one is 23 years 7 of which has been with russell. He passed away 2 months ago. I loved both of them deeply and not just sexually. We would do anything for each other too. With all you see now people dont take marriage seriously. Get married then divorced a week later. But he wants to judge what we do because we cant make a baby. I wouldnt want to have a child now anyways. Too crazy to try and bring a life that will be raised right. Problem with a lot of things now a days. But if you look in the bible to have 10 wifes it was ok but not for us to love one another. No one should judge anyone thats not for us to do.
Thank you for your honest and vulnerable comment! Christopher's intention is never to condemn or wag fingers. If you'd be open to it, here are some videos which will provide a more nuance: ruclips.net/video/7jbhFD8oYQ0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/kTP8ChVHK2k/видео.html ruclips.net/video/ONHPwfl9_VI/видео.html
This sounds sus. Are you a psychologist? If not, how many gay people did you talk to, how many straight and gay married couples did you consult, how much psychological research did you study to reach your conclusions about love? Are you even married yourself?
This man has a very narrow minded material conception of love. Bodily love is lower than mental spiritual love. When you love God you are loving spiritually. Every human being has the image of God within him. Loving another human being like we love God is the hisghest possible form of love. This is not only possible between two people of the same sex but is the actually the highest form of love that exists. If in this love there is sexual union of whatever description the fact that in a same sex union no children will be produced is meaningless and is a materialistic viewpoint. The divine creation is composed of both material as well as spiritual creation. Writing a symphony is an act of creation. In the same way generating new spiritual heights through a sexual union between two people of the same sex is a form of creation and is at a higher level of creation than the creation of babies.
You are preaching to the choir. The atheistic mind does not believe in God, remember? The atheist will kill your argument with one assertion- "God does not exist". But, they are their own "god" and anything is permissible.
Today I just lost my job. I told at work that God loves homosexual people. I told that homosexual people requires help that the world is not providing. I also told that teachers that are explaining the biology differences between men and women are being fired from their works and I also told that abortion is wrong. I got fired. I Lost My job. A woman also complained about the fact that I use a rosary around my hand. I am sad because not only did My workplace is firing me due to my beliefs, but also because the person who complained about me, modified what I really said and lied. I am sad but I am aware that this is just the beginning. Pray for me
They do and they love each other. Jonathan loved David with a love much greater than the love that he had for his wife. That's a very fiery, amorous type of love. Modern day gays will be extremely jealous of that.
@@user-sf5fk6ox4c I'm gay myself and looked into this before, but everything I've read is that there is no historical evidence of sexual intimacy between them. So we will never know for sure. It doesn't matter. It's still a lovely bond between them
@@peraman2022 we recently read this story in my weekly study group. The way the original Hebrew describes the connection really equates it to the depth of any heterosexual relationship. But I definitely got the impression from the story that Jonathan was more into David than vice versa, as David played the field with a lot of women, while Jonathan seemed like he was likely gay based on his father's seeming disapproval and concern over their relationship, whatever it outwardly projected in those days
@@tstieber I also believe that Jonathan was more into David than the other way around. This is often the case with relationships where one partner is more into it than the other.
Hi, thank You for an insightful take on a most disruptive issue. Please ttheres slso great confusion about the vow of celibacy and ptiests. ( its interpreted very loosely & given grest leeway as such to mean non marriage but not sex per se with women.( correct this if i zm wrong) What is the teaching on this issue in s future vid. Tq.
So I guess the whole reason why God created Eve in the first place doesn’t matter, the whole verse that says “it is not good for man to be alone, and I shall create him a companion” doesn’t matter? Because love is all about being able to have kids … got it (This is sarcasm) What’s more important, finding true companionship in someone else or being able to have kids with them? Because where does that leave every single couple who can’t have kids for one reason or another?
If God is love , why is there so much hate in the world? Doesn't the Bible say he created us in his image? I was with my partner for 28 years, and when he was diagnosed with leukemia, l took care of him and cleaned him until he passed because l loved him. We are both anti- church, but believed in God. It is true what you say. God is love, but the church preaches hate!
Jesus would be ashamed of all these so called Christians ✝️ claiming, "we hate the sin not the sinner!" No lets be real, many of my fellow Christians hate both! What is opposite of love , hate. God is love so what is opposite of God? We all know this. So our fellow Christians become hypocrites and think they have God on their side and so get on the moral high ground and spew hatred and anti Christian beliefs. Lets go back 2000 years. St paul and the other disciplines had to create a new moral code separate from the jews , they couldn't agree on everything but one of the main aspects was to keep the 10 commandments and then follow the teachings of christ. Our Lord was already dead and arisen and ascended to heaven and st matthew had not started to take the accounts to create the first beginnings of the new testament. So they didnt have a name or a doctrine or the new testament as it was all still fresh. The Lord, Jesus of Nazareth , loved the outcasts, ate with them, washed their feet. Forgive them, he was one of them! The pharisees and the high priests depised Jesus. And all he preached was love and forgiveness! Be like christ! When you judge and shun the homosexual community you are shunning Christ! Please look up matthew 12-33
Your vision of sex is reductive and dismissive of people’s lived reality. You offer nice clear-cut little boxes to tell us which sex is ‘love’ and which isn’t. So much so that anything less than heterosexual sex cannot even be categorised as sex at all! « It’s simply impossible for two persons of the same sex to have sex » (4:30) ...If this ‘logic’ were true then same-sex rape would also be ‘impossible’. Tell that to all the boys and men who have been raped by other men! ! I’m sorry but sometimes feelings and the heart do count in defining the morality of an issue and not just whether you’ve the right sexual plumbing etc.
you cut out the last part of the sentence. This doesn’t mean it is impossible for two people of the same sex to engage in sexual activity, it means it is impossible for them to have sex in the proper way for which sex was intended, being between a married man and woman with the intention of bonding and being open to children. Any sexual acts that don’t fit that description, including between two people of the same sex will always be a twisted, corrupted form of sex, this of course includes sexual abuse between two men or two women.
Love is sitting for days, (for years) with your partner while he has round after round of chemotherapy to fight an aggressive blood cancer. Drive him home, make him dinner, put him to bed.
Gay couples have exactly the same feelings toward each other as anyone else. To deny this and say it is not love is to deny their humanity. This is just bigotry dressed up in sweet sounding religiosity.
I saw a gay mans response to this subject on another video. He bragged about having 400 different sexual partners. I’m certain love had nothing to do with his relationships.
@@michaelibach9063 and straight men can have relationships that are not loving too. And gay men can have relationships that are loving. Everyone is human. We are all capable of the same depth of feeling. And the same depth of sin.
How could you even know if two people have the same feelings? You cannot see things that are subjective like feelings. This is why all forms of debate and argumentation must be centered around objective truths, which cannot be denied (for example that sex exists for the purpose of reproduction)
I disagree with this dude, even though I do believe in God. I had two gay friends who are Christian and in a relationship, but I end it the friendship. Regardless, it doesn't matter. Love is love.
I think we should be more open-minded towards homosexual people cause they already feel alienated in this world. Being a homosexual man, I will not disobey god's will. All what I do need in life is the possibility of not feeling alienated every time because such videos on social media. I want to forget that I have a wrong sexual orientaion, and I m believing it. But, it is surely very hard for me to live in such psychologically destructed conditions. Stop reminding us of a crime we have never done.
Hello and thank you for your honest and vulnerable comment @oussamasoussi8010 ! We're absolutely certain that Christopher's intention is not to make people feel alienated in any way. He recently recorded this video where he shares more of his personal story that hopefully gives you a better window into where he's coming from: ruclips.net/video/mRuJjScVq-U/видео.htmlsi=S8MyFQTjhQsvjsRK
They said gay is a sin and cant get married yet straight people tell others not to get married. Either way we all get to suffer. My only hope rn is the blood of Christ is powerful enough to wash me clean and without sin. I'm not to challenge it by trying to be someone I'm not. I've been there miserable and couldn't enjoy life with Christ.
True love always creates; God-Son-Holy Spirit circle of love created mankind by and for love. We humans, in image of the trinitarian love, join together in love relations to create another human being.
What's your opinion on later in life marriages that have no possibility of procreation? Better not to marry, no sex, and just date for companionship? Interesting thing to think about. Not sure of the answer TBH
A very, very, hard subject to explain. The arguments are remarkably presented. Congratulations for that and thank you very much for the time you have given to the matter. I felt that this does not only apply to homosecual love but rather to all kind of sexual interactions devoid of the deep significance of God's plan. 🕊
The man said that gay sex is impossible, but that gay sex was a ruining the sexual representation of God. The man is essentially making it all up, none of this is scriptural.
Christopher, the Church is not saying that it is wrong at all to love one another. We should love one another. The Church follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. He is the Head of the Church, we are the body of the church. We are all called to be great saints by Jesus, to do God's Will. Jesus Christ says that a man should not have sex with another man and a woman should not have sex with another woman. God is the one who teach us that. God gave us free-will, so do what you think is right for you. Christians are nice people. They are trying to do God's will. We are all sinners. We need the grace of God to find the Truth. If you are not a Christian, why do you care what we think? If you are a Christian, ask God to teach you what is right. Our soul is eternal. We can choose to do God's will or our own will. Eternity with God or without God. You are not going to convince Christians that Jesus is wrong about that. I am not here to judge you. Find your answers in God. I hope my comment is not offensive to you or anyone else. We are all brothers and sisters and should get along well, loving one another and praying for one another.
Actually, that's false. Scripture never mentions anything about female-female sex. There is also no generalizable prohibition on homoeroticism in any form.
@@Grokford Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality (malakoi and arsenokoitai), nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality (arsenokoitai), enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. - 1 Timothy 1:9-10
To active church members I kindly ask you to defund hate by defunding religion. Stop tithing. Many have quietly made this decision and it’s the loudest voice the church is hearing. Defund hate today. I have and it’s one of the most meaningful and rewarding decisions I have made in support of my gay brothers’ and sisters’ happiness and fulfillment. Thank you.
Philosophy is a great strength of the Roman Catholic magisterium. They engage with philosophy and take it serioiusly like no other branch of Christianity. However, God does not call us to defend philosophy, but to defend the Good News of Jesus Christ. When the magisterium painted themselves into a corner by dogmatizing philosophical ideas, they put shackles on the Good News. The Good News still saves our souls, but it is less of an effective witness than it would be without the shackles of taking certain particular philosophical ideas and making them dogma. The Eastern Orthodox understand this and therefore have many fewer dogmas. Have you actually Googled to search for lists of Roman Catholic dogmas? There are so many obscure items that are not necessary for salvation, but are claimed to be. We CAN instruct in faith and morals without freezing in place certain philosophical ideas forever and teaching that those particular ideas are inseparable from the Good News.
Jesus believe the end of days was coming, he was calling for people to repent, follow him, do what he taught, and therefore you would enter the Kingdom of God here on Earth when God brought it about. Procreation didn't matter because the world is ending. Even St Paul when talking about marriage doesn't say it is for the purpose of having children. Paul actually encourages individuals to never have sex. Paul believed the world was about to end. Procreation was meaningless. Jesus was about love and if sex is done with love, whether same sex or otherwise, i believe Jesus would be okay with that. And if God is not okay with that then God can judge one day, if ever. But human beings cannot judge lest ye be judged. As Jesus said. So keep hurtful words to yourself and care for your own soul. Jesus loved sinners. Forgave them too. And Jesus thought lots of things were sin. Christians that make lots of money and don't give lots of it way to the poor, sinners. Jesus had far more to say against the rich than he did the sexually immoral. Two people of the same sex loving each and other having sex is not the same as the way a Roman might have sex with a male prostitute or slave. Very different contexts. The truth is lust didn't just mean sex two thousand years ago. It meant eating lots of food, wearing fine clothes, getting too drunk, desiring power and wealth, living too comfortably. There's a reason some Christians used to wear hair shirts. The reality is most Christians today in rich countries live lives in lust. Television, the internet, nice vacations, lots of food etc... All distractions from God. So if we really want to push authentic Christianity then we should be encouraging Christians to move away from a lot of that stuff. Reduce materialism and pray to God far more. But how many churches are saying that?
My thoughts about gay couples. They can be like brothers, not as lovers. They can love opposite sex. I might be wrong. idk. I always watch romance movies with male and female together. Makes me hot and crazy inside. But when I start watching gay couples. It doesnt feel the same. Male an female produce babies.
Eros, as philia and storge creaturely lovrs, must bow and always abide under the guidance and soveriegnty of agape and He who showed us its meaning, God who is Love.
First line doesn't make sense Eros as philia and storge what? creaturely lovrs? Lovrs isn't a word and idk if you meant creaturely but that line doesn't make sense with the following thought "must bow etc."
This is what I know I love a dude better than a woman I have no sexual desire for women are no attraction to be with In a union with a woman , love is for humans whether man an r woman r same sex I am in stronger love with a dude than a woman all that I say is just ur opinion
Thank you for sharing your perspective. If you'd be open to a deeper explanation of the topic and the reasoning behind it, Christopher has a best selling book where he goes deep into these issues. You can find it here: shop.corproject.com/products/good-news-about-sex-and-marriage
Be perfect, as your father in Heaven is perfect..I have yet to meet such a Christian. Far from it. That is the Word so why are you not following that. I don't think you are diving very deeply at all in the mysteries of life. I don't believe you love "sinners" at all. People considered evil are not included and you do not want them around you. Only if they are ready to join the church.
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Regardless of your sexual orientation love is on the heart not on the genitals
I'd garner to say love is in the mind, you will it and must keep willing it long after the immediate attraction has run out. Attraction is the gateway but not the finality of love.
That's why the common saying of falling in and out of love, is a lie.
It was attraction, not love, and once that shininess of it has run its course and your left with the raw individual person, choosing to stick by that person through thick and thin, through the arguments, the disappointments is a choice to love. Love is in the mind, you must will and choose it that's another way love generates apart from your biological genital organs, you create and build a relationship.
The Christian perspective is that the sexual union between woman and man, in the context of marriage with the openness to generate new life, is a unique kind of love.
That does not take away from other forms of love which are not inferior to marriage. Friendships that last lifetimes where a relationship is created and built can be just as fruitful although in a different sense to marriage.
The belief that unless I have a romantic partner, I am destined to suffer loneliness or am unloveable is a lie that has lead many astray, (including myself) to seek sexual pleasure; mistaken as love, and to despair.
Love is in the soul and it doesn’t matter what orientation you are. Love which is true is always healthy even between two men or women. I see love as from a different dimension which is connected to ours however we can’t really control.
It's not to do with genitals or sex. It's about family unit. Gay men have more sexual encounters than even straight people. I never saw my straight buddies getting laid as much as my gay buddies. That does bot give them more stability in relationships.
Straight couples who are in love, they come together to make a family, and they rely on each other through hard times and financial problems or kids etc. They have future plans. They way straight men would take care of their partners in everyway, who do not have any jobs, you will never see that kind of thing in gay relationship.
Gay couples most often do not have shared future, no kids to look after, they do not have generations like grandkids etc. Straight people are more likely to be in that kind of family unit, that makes their ties stronger.
Most gay couples I have seen stay together bcz they fear ending up alone, and they want to stay where they are, moving is more complicated. They go around having sex with other people. Only come together for nice photos, and travelling, and of course telling people how long they have been together. But they are not enough for each other, they are always looking for fresh meat.
So many straight love is superficial, but in gay world that is much more prevalant.
@@alex0315 how abt u find a cure for homosexuality and turn everyone straight smart guy? Do u have it ?! Ofcoz not !!!so mind ur goddamn business .. live and let live.. where are u trying to go with “ they cant love each other , they cant be monogamous ???
You base your entire theory on personal experience of seeing your friends who are gay having more sex, rather than thinking critically, and from this extrapolate what this must mean somehow? My dude, what? For one, divorce rate is lower in gays. Think of how many more straight people do have kids on avg, and stick together for the sake of the kids despite wanting a divorce, if they didn't have that keeping them in place it's be even more skewed lol. @@alex0315
I’ve been with my husband since we were 18 years old. We celebrate 18 years together this month. We’re monogamous and are pretty boring. But more in love every day. Meanwhile I’ve witnessed five marriages come and go between my dad, my brother and my sister. We’re the normal, stable ones.
What we do with our genitals is between us 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you for sharing your perspective. If you'd be open to a deeper explanation of the topic and the reasoning behind it, Christopher has a best selling book where he goes deep into these issues. You can find it here: shop.corproject.com/products/good-news-about-sex-and-marriage
Congrats on a wonderful marriage. My husband and I were roughly the same age as you guys when we first dated and are now about 50. Also monogamous, but never boring, haha! I think meeting your spouse at a young age is a blessing, bc you have an opportunity to grow together, share milestones, build a life for each other, develop joint friendships and longer relationships with each other's families, and build a really deep foundation of trust. All wonderful things. It's sad that some ppl focus more on genitalia rather than the values that make a union work. Genitalia reflects happenstance, whereas behavior reflects morality, no matter how complicated of an argument you create otherwise. Let's be grateful for the blessings of love, commitment, and marriage. ❤️
It is so funny he reduced homosexual relationships to sexual activity and then said what gay men and lesbian women do sexually is not sex just to say we do not actually love each other. Sounds like a lot of twisting words and concepts of sexuality and sex to appeal to his own world view.
Also as a gay man I find it funny that you guys are years strong in your homosexual relationships while so many religious heterosexual relationships are falling apart as we speak. Looks like love is much more than a religious concept.
Same. Been with my husband for 9 years and plan on many more
I was with my partner for 30 years. We were married for 2 1/2 years until he passed away in 2020. Yes gay couples love each other.
Basically he’s saying having sex and getting a girl pregnant is the only way to love…😂 How shallow
I’m reminded of how some people think Frodo and Sam are gay because they hug and look at each other. It seems that intense platonic fraternity has been twisted to entail sexual attraction. Two men/women CAN love each other in deep and profound ways and it need not be sexual.
It is one of the saddest aberrations of our generation. The sexualization of all forms of love. A man should be able to tell his male friend that he loves him without it being implied he wants to have sex with him. That was how men used to talk in the past. Before psychoanalysis distorted everything. We used to be open to express love and care for one another without fearing giving off the wrong signals. And that was something we could _only_ do with one another. Precisely because it was something clearly unrelated with sex. A man could feel comfortable to express love to a non-kinsman without expecting any sexual misunderstanding only when he expressed that love to another man... How far we have fallen.
I have encountered people on Twitter who think as such. When I tell them of the devout Catholic who created the characters, they simply disregard his religious beliefs. It's an imposition of modern values on a beautiful work of art.
so can a man and a woman love without it being sexual....so what?
@@VABJMJ I think 2 hetero men will know they can love without it being sexual so don't worry about it
So what? What you said doesn’t challenge the meaningful distinction between philia and eros; that was my original point, that modern people have largely lost this distinction, and perhaps some same-sex attracted individuals are that way because they can’t tell the difference.
In the realm of philia, men and women, men and men, and women and women, can all love each other without desiring or engaging in intimate genital activity with them, you are correct. Sexuality is precisely ordered by nature for men and women to become one flesh and to bring about the next generation. There remains the possibility for men and men/ women and women to erotically love each other by human freedom, which is not necessarily a good thing simply because it is a good thing when it’s philia. Adults and children can have philia love, perhaps like an athlete and his coach, but it obviously goes over the line when it becomes erotic; who’s to say this is not the same with same sex eros?
Marrage and divorce statistics would dissagree with you since gay men have the lowest divorce rates
Your never going to get rid of a person's attraction to the same sex
No, one is not, and this idea is quite wrong-minded given the way God actually allows this world to be, which is struggling to mirror anything divine in the midst of ineffable brokenness. Being gay is another form of being infertile. It’s just the way this world works, and sometimes, minor setbacks can actually become beautiful. We should be focusing on fixing the truly limiting issues humans face, and there is no shortage. The sinfulness of getting the theological accents in the wrong places cannot be overstated.
A person with no legs will never grow them. Doesnt mean there was a mistake
@@GhostScout42Yes There was a mistake if someone doesn't have legs. There are mistakes in nature. There was a mistake but it doesn't mean that person is bad or sinful. If a man is looking at a another man with lust and desire something went wrong with his nature.
Being gay has nothing to do with being infertile. Stop saying things that aren’t true. There are gay men out there who are married,and have children, and some of them have divorced their wives or their wives divorced them. Look it up and educate yourself before you make these statements.
@@7digitss Being gay does not make one infertile but the homosexual lifestyle is infertile. Nothing can come out of it. That's why it's unnatural, abnormal, and does not coincide with our very existence here which is to survive and procreate.
To me this sounds like weak moral theology as excuse for discrimination against homosexual persons. Sorry, but you can do all the fancy intellectual dancing you want, but two men or two women are capable of loving each other with the same depth, generosity and faithfulness as any heterosexual couple. And yes, it can be expressed genitally and safely as well. And no, this business of "openness to the creation of life" is a hypocritical double standard. The Catholic church will marry heterosexual couples that are past child bearing age. The church also recognizes that the generativity of straight couples can be expressed in other ways besides having children. Additionally, the early church fathers were not united in the opinion that all sex in heterosexual marriage must be for procreation. So, all in all to use these ideas to dehumanize homosexual persons is a hypocritical double standard. What is understood as gay marriage in our day, simply did not exist in the days the Bible was written. There was no concept of this, even in the late classical era. There is no passage about homosexuality in the Bible that could possibly refer to same sex marriage, and gay Christians are not claiming any special exemption from prohibitions against, rape, fornication or adultery. And as far as the Adam and Eve story are concerned, the church has managed to deal with new moral challenges and to respond to them. Just because it isn't in the Bible does not make it wrong. So really what this comes down to is centuries of prejudice that has been rationalized by theology. The German bishops have it right: the Church's moral theology is medieval and is causing needless suffering to millions. Please stop rationalizing it, and instead, do something more constructive by demanding of our leaders to address these inconsistencies and hypocrisies.
So basically he says, you can only love someone (truly) love someone if you have sex with the other. But one of you should have a penis and the other a vagina and there should be new life at the end.
So all other people including heterosexuals who can't birth a child, do not love each other truly.
What about two people in a friendship who love each other so deeply they would die for each
other?
(Jesus says there's no greater love then a friend giving up his live for the other)
This is such a hurtful message for a lot of people.
I enjoying hearing what straight people have to say about being gay. Or what white people have to say about being black. Or what men have to say about being a woman. So insightful.
@EmperorofChinaItwillgrowlargerbecause they’re usually wrong
Imagine the shock if you discover your son or daughter turns out gay. (Hold your breath)
Yes, sexual organs have the special ability to start creating new persons, but who has the audacity to decree that is their ONLY purpose? We have mouths that are used primary to eat but we use them to speak, to breathe, to kiss... It's illogical nonsense to restrict the multiple uses of our bodies, as it is of the mind, the heart, the soul... We have the imperative to love in all its forms.
Think about those other examples you mentioned. Eating can be rightly ordered to God, or you can overindulge and fall into gluttony. We can use our speech to praise God and show love to each other, or we can use it to spread gossip and speak blasphemy. So you see we can use our minds and bodies to do good things in the sight or God, or we can use them to do disordered and destructive things. So literally every culture has a set of norms that make up a moral framework that regulates human behavior toward whatever they view as good. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, we have our own set of beliefs that do the same that either originate from God himself or another holy individual writing the inspired words of God. And there's a long history and tradition of thought that has gone into it, so it's worth considering.
He never said that is their only purpose, he is saying that is a the most important component of their true purpose. To render the act steril is kinda like if you could kiss, speak do anything with your mouth, but not eat.
@@jessicablack7503 I agree that the male-female conjunction in necessary to produce a new generation. That indeed seems it's primary function. But its purpose is for two people to feel a spiritual/cosmic kind of melding that is the exultation of love in body and mind. And in that exultation feel the splendor of God's spirit. But as Killian Miller notes, all spiritual bonding need not be also physical.
I agree. If genitals were only meant for generating, then what is the reproductive purpose of the female orgasm?
@@jessicablack7503 How is then the enforced celibacy of gay people not all about rendering sterile the body part made for generation? How am I, as a person struggling with SSA, ever to look at my genitals and not feel like they're being sterilized and rendered as null in this life?
Wait... How do you know it's not "real"
You are straight right? So how do you know what being gay is like?
My husband and I have been married for twenty years. Meeting him brought meaning to my life that I never had before. I am not interested in the opinions of a man who buries his head neck deep in his own behind.
Omg do a RUclips channel explaining how yall met please I'm eager too know. And congratulations ❤❤❤❤
31 years here, and life has been filled with joy and love. It's humbling to be with someone who is always there for you
This type of christian love idea is what eliminating the option to put our differences aside.
There are more types of love than love to god, and the same sex couples just ask for you to accept this
@smiledaydreammusicandrecov4463 God either exists or he does not. All evidence points to the existence of a creator. You have free will to accept God, or to deny God. (example: if the Big Bang theory is true, which I think it is, where did it come from? Either you believe in eternal matter or an eternal creator.) Love is a free decision, true, real love is desiring the best for another even at the expense of yourself. It's a decision. Not a fleeting emotion.
There is mixed up feelings when you are confused
This type of preaching only caters to straight men. Straight men wouldn’t understand what it’s like to love the same sex, or what sex is really like for a woman but they tell that it’s wrong if it doesn’t cater to them.
There are tons of straight couples that are unable to have children, but they can still love each other. Also, the majority of people have sex for a romantic connection, or just pleasure, that's the way people are. You can't speak about people's experiences and whether or not they love their partner because you haven't been in their shoes, and even then what does it matter to you? Who are you to judge, and why should it even bother you in the first place? Please just live and let live
@Shareace Gray There is nothing experientially different about heterosexual sex or homosexual sex, besides the obvious.
Men and women do not become a single organism as he claims, that's just nonsense.
You can argue that reproduction is(or was) the determining factor is how genitals work(just as the rest of our bodies) but it doesn't really mean that they're a good match.
I'm going to be blunt here.
The average vaginal canal is only two to three inches long, whereas the average penis is over five inches long with variation, to the point where it's not uncommon for the male partner to have triple the length necessary.
The Clitoris is poorly stimulated by penetration in most women, the male prostate is almost never stimulated during normal heterosexual sex, despite it being more sensitive than most parts of the male body.
But that doesn't matter, sex is not an equation where you have to match. It's a socio-psyological experience just as much as a physical one and to claim that one is inherently better because it can produce children isn't even relevant.
Infertile straight couples are still OPEN to having children, regardless of whether they actually can or not. I don't think you heard the video; any relationship, hetero or homo can be one of real love in that each person wills the very good of another. Having sexual relations is a different matter all together. The goal of this truth is for people to find happiness and peace. A heterosexual loving relationship that is freely given, totally giving of self, faithful and devoted, and FRUITFUL in that it is open to creation does that. A sexual homosexual relationship can not be fruitful, it's a self-serving relationship not open to creating a new being. We are to judge and proclaim what is truth. The Bible verse about "judging" means we can not judge who will make it to heaven....that is God's job. We can judge right actions and wrong actions. (Killing an innocent person is wrong...that's an example our judgement used in the right way)
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Producing children is not the sole goal of factor in sex or marriage.
And frankly a gay trans person has more chance of having children than any straight couple who are missing any of the crucial functions or parts.
Not to mention that Queer people are open to having children, they have children all the time.
Love is the fundamental doctrine of our faith, to say that love is worthless without children is tantamount to heresy, and while I don’t say this often, you should feel ashamed for devaluing love.
@@Grokford yes, I know several gay persons who bought children and now they own them and purport they “have” them. It’s horrible. People in the future will look at this with the same right condemnation as we now look at slavery.
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This guy just compared adoption to slavery, point and laugh everybody
So does this mean gay people who can not be made to be attracted to the opposite sex can never experience the "two becoming one flesh as a living sign of the eternal life giving love of the Trinity"? Does this mean that an attraction to the opposite sex is a requirement for a human being to ever be able to experience the renewal of their sexual desire as such that it mirrors the Love of the Trinity? So gay people can't ever be united with God then because they can't be made attracted to the opposite sex? I mean, just how important is it to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex?
Please answer.
For the 1st question yes..the same goes to heterosexual people that never marry. We have desire and they are not bad but as they do not correspond to the free total faithful fruitful love of God, we cannot live out our desire. It sounds unfair but that is where we have to deny ourself. It's the cross we need to carry to follow Him. Heterosexual couples that do marry surely have their own cross and need to deny themselves in other ways. The 3rd question I think it is not that way because sexual relationship is not the only way one can be united with God...We can be close to God through other vocation, through our work, our ministries, our charities..etc.
@@shabellap840 At the very least then, the cross of sexuality is more like a curse to escape from that haunts us all our lives than anything resembling "good news"... and it would've been better if God didn't make me capable of being attracted to others at all. And how do you experience the "renewal" of your sexual desire such that it "mirrors the Divine Life of the Trinity" via your work? God doesn't make things for no purpose, and He "makes all things new," right? Well how does He "make new" my desires via my work life then?
I mean, it's either that (that our sexual desires get redeemed via our.... work?), or there's no hope for the redemption of the bodies of the unmarried.
Also, I am not a work-machine. I need affection at some point in my life. I can't just work myself into the ground and go without human contact.
Okay.
Sex is not a symbol of the trilogy, that it not it's function.
No one is required to have any sex at all or get married. Both Jesus and Paul validate celibacy as legitimate.
But Queer love is no different than the love between a heterosexual couple.
Any conception of Queer people that denies their fundamental human capacity to love is a false start.
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Where in the Bible does it say anything about sex as a living sign of the trinity?
The trilogy is a a deeply intimate perfect union and like mindedness; this description can’t possibly describe its depth. The sexual union between a man and a woman is a foreshadowing of that union. We are created in the image of the trilogy; therefore we behave as such….when done in goodness of course.
So sad. Poor guy is just afraid. You can hear in his voice he is lying and knows it.
How can you draw conclusions about what you haven't experienced? "True love and sex." Who determines this? You? religious ideology? Or a couple who feels love, sexual attraction and orgasm. Sex is more than a reproductive instinct. Love, relationships are more than sex. The psychophysiology of love is the same for heterosexuals, bisexuals and homosexuals. These are just facts. But people have different temperaments, characters, etc. And yet, some people, regardless of orientation, meet each other just for sex, but sometimes we fall in love with someone... We want to live with someone and go through life together... People build comfortable relationships with those they want to.
Oh, they are a wonderful couple! (but they don't love each other). Oh, they are a bad couple, their love is not right (but they love each other).
Compatibility of characters, sexual compatibility, coincidence of interests and goals (+ inexplicably pleasant together, there is an attraction).
!!!!!!!! The psychophysiology of love & or sex is the same for heterosexuals, bisexuals and homosexuals (this has already been scientifically proven) !!!!!!!!!!!
My husband has been ridiculed and told by his friends to leave me because I am gay. Yet he stayed by my side. We received death threats and etc. because we are in relationship with each other. He loved me so much to the point of him cutting off his homophobic friends and homophobic family for me. He literally sold his entire house, car, and everything he had until he became homeless just to get money to see me and start a new life with me from his home country over 2,000 miles away.
He has unhesitatingly done things for me most people would think twice about doing for their partner.
So as a gay person in a relationship do not tell me gay people cannot love each other and it is lust. You have no idea what it means to love as a gay man. We do not have to prove that we can love each other to your heterosexual satisfaction. We actually have to fight for our love whereas your love is given to you on a silver platter as a heterosexual person.
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Reply to Killian:
Male and female was not created. Sex is something which evolved over time. Yes they can reproduce with each other. But just because you can produce with someone does not mean you should now be romantically/sexually involved with them. That is not the reality of what we observe.
I never said two male men can have children together. But the way still can have kids brought surrogacy and sperm donation. Nature is not a fool it knows the difference between vaginal sexual intercourse and achievement of sexual reproduction.
Also homosexuality is not an imitation of heterosexuality. It is different from heterosexuality. Same sex acts between males does imitate what a woman feels like, you want to know why? Because they are male men of the same sex not females/women.
Same sex acts are a form of sexual intercourse specifically anal and oral. Also yes you are right same sex acts are not sex in the sense of heterosexual activity. But once again this goes back to your bias of comparing homosexuality to heterosexuality when they are two separate phenomenon. Another thing genital stimulation is a form of sexual intercourse. Stimulation can be by self (e.g., masturbation) or by a sexual partner (sexual intercourse or other sexual activity), by use of objects or tools, or by some combination of these methods.
Source: Wikipedia, [6] Based on "masturbation" in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003
Gay people do not use the male-female dynamic. What exactly do you mean by that? Gay people use sexual reproduction. Sexual reproduction is distinct from sexual intercourse, sexuality, and etc. I think you are confusing all three as the same when they are not. You do not have to be in a romantic/sexual connection to reproduce children. It all goes back to what you said as long as you have a sperm cell, egg cell, and a place for the zygote to grow sexual reproduction is achievable. Using IVF and sperm donation does not erase the fact you are gay meaning you still have exclusive romantic/sexual attraction to the same sex. Also I would like to point out some heterosexual couples are indefinitely infertile and cannot have biological children together at all. So for them it is an impossibility.
Para 5 response: How do gay people contribute to society?
They have children and sexually reproduce. Also they contribute to the economy. Compared to the heterosexual community homosexual male men couples have a lower rate of divorce, less cases of domestic abuse, and etc.
Source: rgfamilylaw.com
Same sex couples are better at raising children while attending school.
Source: University of Oxford
You want to know what is more important than family in terms of society. Connection between people in the society itself. So if a heterosexual couple financially and medically take care of each other does that mean they are platonic friends too, or are they actually a couple who take care of each other because they may actually love each other so they decided to be in union together? Why is it different for a homosexual couple who takes care of each other because they genuinely love one another? Homosexual communities influence heterosexual communities in ways such as lesser competition for a heterosexual person to find a mate because they are not heterosexually inclined, reproduction because some gay people reproduce people who turn out to be heterosexual also in terms of science some great scientists were actually homosexually inclined. They made discoveries which influence us today.
Also in what ways do homosexuals remaining single benefit society?
Honestly after listening to you I would say your valid are filled with discriminatory bias because you constantly compare homosexuals to a heterosexual lifestyle which is ignorant. It is ignorant because we are not authentically heterosexual meaning we will never fit into the heterosexual lifestyle. We can pretend to be heterosexual but that is not real. It is a lie and as I said pretending.
I would not say there is absolutely no love among SSA people, and as you mention some people sacrifice a lot just to be together. But if you have to fight for it, perhaps it isn’t natural. This goes back to what love is. Is it just sexual in nature? Or is that merely one aspect of “willing the good of the other (the definition of love)?” The sexual union is still disordered no matter how much genuine love you have for each other in other respects like sacrificing friends and property, because you cannot ever do what a man and a woman can do; at best it is an imitation of what man and woman do. If you only love those who love you and hate those who oppose your situation, what reward is there in that?
@@killianmiller6107 What about homosexual couples who did not have to fight for a successful relationship? Does that mean it is natural that they did not fight for it?
I now I said heterosexuals have their love given to them on a silver platter but let us say that is not the situation. What about heterosexual couples who fought for their relationship too? Does it mean they now have an unnatural relationship because they fought for it?
Also what makes homosexuality sexually disordered? Explain that for me in detail. We are adults here.
And yes I agree with you homosexuals can never do what a man and woman can do. Many homosexuals try to fit into heterosexual normatives without realizing they cannot because they are homosexual. We as homosexuals must make a culture and lifestyle suitable for ourselves rather than trying to pretend to fit into heterosexual lifestyles.
Also it is not an imitation of a heterosexual union because it is a homosexual union. Once again it goes back to what I said trying to fit homosexuality into heterosexual norms is not suitable. We as homosexuals must figure out our own culture fit for us just like heterosexual people do as well.
Another thing we do not hate others who oppose our situation. As a matter of fact we stay far away from them because they do not actually respect the fact we are a homosexual couple and try to force their traditional hetero-normative ideologies onto us.
The reward of doing such a thing is that we are much happier together in our homosexual union compared to forcing ourselves into a traditional heterosexual union not suitable for us as homosexuals.
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@@killianmiller6107 It is the AI. Just continue trying to post it so we can have a conversation.
I do not see how a homosexual culture could even sustain itself if it didn’t entirely rely on heterosexuality being way more prominent. It’s similar to the saying “liberals don’t have kids, they have yours” because libs are more likely to support abortion and contraception, and their ideology is very prominent in education, entertainment, and media, so the kids that conservatives/moderates have are converted to liberalism. Society and culture by extension only exists as long as it perpetuates itself through generations. You see how this follows? There are indeed ways to play a part in generating the culture without bringing about its next generation, such as through charitable living and dedicating yourself to a fruitful vocation, that’s why not all people are called to marriage or even priesthood, but some to consecrated singlehood. The argument being that active gay unions are not a fruitful vocation any more than simply being very close friends is.
Too many "what ifs". Let me ask you: what if every word coming out of your mouth is bullshit, huh?
I have always been attracted to other males since I was a 5 year old boy. I remember crushing on male cartoon characters like Bugs Bunny when I was that age, then my crushes toward males turned sexual and toward humans in late elementary and middle school and I fantasized sexual acts and intimacy with other boys at school on my own. This just came naturally and no one exposed me to anything and I was never abused growing up. My family was prudish, conservative religious, and anti-gay and I did not even know what the term gay even meant even though I had these intense sexual and affectionate desires for other boys at school.
And then as I got older, I continued to exclusively have crushes and sexual feelings for other boys and men. I am now 37 years old and am still the same... always have been. The idea of kissing or having any affection with females makes me feel disgust and queasiness. And I am a man who does not bond with females and feel a repulsion toward being around them honestly.
I kept this to myself my entire life so not even my parents know this for sure, but my family wonders why I am nearly 40 years old and have never married, nor had a single girlfriend, and never express any interest in women or talk about them.
I was raised Christian conservative and praying for years for Jesus to do his will with this, but nothing ever changed in me after many decades so Jesus either does not exist or doesn't care about my sexual orientation. So here I am a 37 year old man, who has never felt any sexual attraction to females ever in his life and all my sexual and affectionate feelings are toward men and boys only, starting at age 4 or 5. I am convinced this is just how my mind and soul is wired.
I then read the Bible in the my early thirties and I saw so much barbarism in it, saw it's contradictions and problems, the atrocities committed by Christians throughout history, and realized after going to church and praying for many, many years that there was never any evidence any god or Jesus was ever listening to me in my own life, I then became an Ex-Christian atheist or agnostic. I am no longer religious and see Earth as largely a mystery as to its origins. I see Christianity as just another religion among thousands created by humans to explain a mystery of a world and to control others.
Thank your for sharing your testimony and being open to the content of this video. We honor your journey and pray that the Lord will meet your right here you’re at. We invite you to go deep diving in the Theology of the Body. It might give you a new perspective into the deepest desires of your heart.
I'm sorry that you've struggled with keeping this secret for so long. It seems many gay men turn to God to change their orientation once they recognize it, only to find that God doesn't grant that wish. I went through this as a teenager, even to the point where I thought God was leading me towards heterosexuality when, in fact, it was an important lesson that no matter how much we desire something and commit to being good and kind and honorable in life, He still sometimes says no to our petitions. Sadly, as in your case, this causes many struggling gay men to be disappointed in God to the point where they doubt His very existence. I believe that's a knee jerk reaction to feeling unheard, when in fact it's an opportunity to deepen our understanding of, and relationship with, God. The biggest realization I had while still a teenager was that it's not my place to question God's creation, but it's my obligation to honor and respect it. Asking God to "change" what I had always felt my whole life, as you did, was arrogant and naive. We don't second guess God. Some people are born with no arms, some with cerebral palsy, and that isn't something that God changes after the fact either. God created nature, nature created us, so we are who we are meant to be. Now, how do we honor and respect that creation? That's where religions and their denominations differ and disagree, and of course everyone thinks they've got it right and everyone else has it wrong. I would encourage anyone to focus less on seeking or debating the perfect answer than always reminding oneself that we are all obligated to honor and respect creation in ourselves and others. When we're in tune with that creation, and we have constant awareness, gratitude, and awe of God's gifts to us, then our behaviors follow intuitively, and we don't desire unhealthy behaviors in the first place.
@@tstieber I no longer feel any shame or care that I am gay. I am proud of my sexual orientation and just see as apart of me. I actually like being more different in this regard from the mainstream. If I ever partner with anyone, it will be a male and not a female. As I know now that is my nature. And my atheism/agnosticism came from my own reading of the Bible and seeing it's serious problems and then realizing after several decades of prayer that no one is really listening to me or if they are, they don't care what I have to say. There was never any kind of relationship except wishful thinking or in my imagination to some god out of a Bronze Age book.
@@timothydowd4180 fair enough. Thx for sharing that. My connection to God was always deep and intense, even though I grew up in a completely agnostic household. Go figure!
Glad you found your path and your comfortability with the reality of who you are. Best of luck!
@@timothydowd4180 Hey Tim, I don't know about the Church you went to, but I just wanted to say that I think you might be misinformed about the Catholic teaching on homosexuality and sexuality in general.
Many Christians are under the false impression that they can get married and suddenly they don't have to fight lust anymore, and therefore gay people are simply out of luck. Not true at all. We are ALL called to carry this cross. We are all broken. Gay, straight, bisexual, whatever.
I am a married straight man, but I am not allowed to use my wife as a "release" valve to satisfy my broken lustful desires. I have a very, very lustful heart. I fixate on every beautiful woman I see. Some of my earliest memories are of being a little kid at the mall with my mom and staring slack-jawed at the teenage girls walking around.
But that's not right, that's disordered. Just like a person born blind has a disorder, and we should try and either fix it or use it for some good.
The Church isn't picking on you because you are gay, it's calling ALL of us to overcome our disordered passions and love each other as God intended.
It is not enough to provide reasoned argument for heterosexual normalcy. What is the vision for those with homosexual orientation to live out their life as Christians? The Catechism states that 'they do not choose their condition..' and the Church generally agrees that they cannot change their orientation. It has to be more than just be a list of 'don't's. There has to be a positive vision for life and concrete welcome and support. How about a video on that?
love is not a sin, what more needs to be said?
@@pastorbri Love and Sex are two different things...
@@teres469 and yet heterosexuals do sex and love as one thing, are heterosexuals all wrong too?
@@pastorbri A lot of heterosexuals don't treat love and sex in the same category...A heterosexual couple in a committed relationship/marriage/family is different..
According to Jesus, those not married (one man, one woman, for life) need to live in celibacy.
Instead of seeing sex as only between man and woman. Open your mind to the benefits of same sex activity. Closeness, bonding, a deeper spiritual love. If it can exist between opposite sex it can exist between the same.
Just because a gay couple can still love each other doesn’t mean their love isn’t misplaced. A love between two of the same sex is meant to be platonic, not erotic. Think of those who are in an incestuous relationship for example: they can still genuinely love each other, but the fact that they’re in an incestuous relationship is where they fall short of that love. If there are any benefits evident within a gay relationship, it’s the manifest results of the genuine bits of love still present within any unhealthy relationship. However, that doesn’t mean the genuine bits of love justify where the love becomes misplaced.
Even if that is the case. History has shown it cannot be changed. So what is the solution? There is none.
There is something profoundly creepy about people who want to monitor the sex and love lives of mutually consenting adults@@MattisWell.20
Genital union is not the exclusive manner of engendering life. The love of two people of the same sex may also be open to procreation. See the many gay and lesbian couples who have children, and the many gay and lesbian couples who contribute to the quality of life of society in services, in the arts, etc.
Sorry, by *his* made up definition, it doesn't count! By pure luck of the draw, heterosexuals are automatically superior just by existing. If you can't make a baby, then your actions as a human being will never be good enough.
To think that this man invokes his faith to make such an argument makes me want to apologize to God on his behalf... 😢
How bizarre that love is so very,very centered on biological reproduction and organs. Homosexuality is not an activity, it was and always will be a form of affection and love.
It is NOT love, it is LUST, an evil addiction. Period.
@@ctfh1236Nope you’re wrong
@@ctfh1236
The types of relationships I endorse = Love
The types of relationships I reject = Lust
@@ctfh1236aslong as you are not a homosexual yourself you wont ever know if its lust or love thats first of all second of all if people tell you that they love each other they usually do
To love another person is to will their good - and the good of that person’s eternal soul. You are really just engaging in feel good behavior to express your feelings, but Satan deceives. Nicholas Cage said it well in Moonstruck when he wanted to bed Cher- -I don’t care if I go to hell I don’t care if YOU go to hell …
Given that all couples, gay or straight, have the capacity to fulfill the first three of his definitional criteria, and only the last one requiring openness to the possibility of procreation differentiates gay and straight unions, he is essentially saying that true love hinges exclusively on procreation and nothing else. Considering the number of out of wedlock babies, infertile couples, or those beyond child-bearing age, that's totally illogical on multiple levels.
Keep in mind, this is just one guy who cleverly made up his own criteria specifically so that they would automatically exclude gay unions by definition, but that doesn't mean whatever he made up is irrefutable.
As someone in an indescribably wonderful 31 year same-sex relationship, I can only shake my head at this gentleman's lack of insight into the human heart and psyche. How sad I am -- for him -- that he puts this much effort into making up his own definitions to minimize the total commitment that people make to each other, and to think that being straight by luck of the draw makes him morally superior. It's amazing how publicly arrogant some people are and don't even recognize it.
To be fair, he is reading out of the Catholic Catechism, and from the letters of speeches of Pope John Paul 2, he didn't "make up" these ideas.
@@JGComments That's interesting to know, but it doesn't change the inconsistency of the argument.
@@tstieber Ok well you are incorrect about the main points. To marry in the Catholic Church, a couple needs to be able to create what the Church calls a “one flesh union”, which the Church teaches can only be accomplished through the union of one man and one woman. Also, love does not require natural procreation, he is clear about that. It requires full openness to life through natural conception between the partners and only the partners, in keeping with the idea that God in his love is faithful and makes a complete gift of Himself to us, and sex that withholds the fertility of one of the partners does not correspond to the example set by God. A homosexual couple can provide each other with companionship, but that does not require marriage, they cannot fulfill the other two conditions, according to the Church. I’m guessing you would argue that they can, but the Church has the authority to decide who is married in the Church, and the meaning of the terms in its own marriage laws.
@@JGComments I do understand and acknowledge the Catholic doctrine, and of course any church does and should have the right to define its religious marriage laws, I'm merely pointing out the superficial inconsistencies. Referencing my original comment about heterosexual couples that are infertile or too old to conceive, it would seem that the church should not marry them either, since they would be incapable of fulfilling the core condition of the church required for marriage. But this is not the case. According to my brief online research on AI, "the Church acknowledges that natural biological processes may prevent couples from having children, and this does not invalidate the marriage. The essential aspect is that the couple is open to the possibility of children if it were possible and that they fulfill the other purposes of marriage, including mutual support and love." That seems like a pretty convoluted argument, to say that marriage must be about having and raising children, but if that's not possible, then just get married anyway as long as you are of the mindset that you would be open to procreation in theory. There are many homosexual couples who would be absolutely open to procreation if they were biologically programmed to be attracted to the opposite sex so that they could accomplish it. Their sexual orientation would also be a 'natural biological process' that prevents them from having children. But the exception only applies to heterosexuals, which is where there is a logical inconsistency. The church makes a blanket exception for heterosexuals only, in complete contravention of its stated objective, and that exception makes the stated objective essentially meaningless.
As for the other purposes of marriage not related to procreation, why would you say that a homosexual couple could not fulfill them? Those are not dependent upon gender and are in fact being fulfilled by many couples.
@@tstieber First of all, thank you for your respectful stance toward the Church and its authority to define the rules of its community. The church only requires that the couple not be impotent, i.e. that they be able to complete the marital act. If they are infertile, the reasoning is that God could intervene and provide a child if He so wished. This even applies to extreme situations such as a woman that had a hysterectomy. The key is the disposition of the couple toward unity and procreation, an openness to life whenever they engage in the marital act. When sex is divorced from these, the Church considers this disordered, meaning aimed at the wrong thing, and therefore sinful. This is what the Church calls lust. So for example, a heterosexual married couple that desired a sterile relationship (ie were unwilling to have children) would be disordered. In the case of a homosexual couple, the Church cannot marry them and the relationship is intrinsically disordered. This is because if God is love, and God commands that marriage be one woman and one man, to reject this command is definitionally contrary to love and the good of each partner. This is the same standard that is applied to heterosexuals who cohabitate. This command is very clear in Scripture, from the establishment of marriage in Eden to Mosaic law, to the pattern given by Christ and his affirmation of all of the Mosaic law, and finally to the writings of the Apostles.
Also, the Church does not require that the couple have children, again only to be open to having children. There are many reasons that the Church calls “just” reasons to not have children, such as not being able to afford to care for the child, and in these situations, the Church requires that the couple abstain,since the marital act is always to be engaged in with full openness to life. Again, the homosexual couple might wish to have natural children and might wish to for a one flesh union, but they simply cannot achieve either in terms of how the Church defines these. They cannot, for example, achieve the type of unity that God commands and that we were designed for, The nature of the relationship is incompatible with the purposes and meaning of Catholic marriage. The Church doesn’t not consider their drive to be natural, but to be a deep seated desire that is disordered. Again, this is also the same stance the Church takes toward the heterosexual couple who refuses to marry or have children, or who refuses to abstain when they are not open to having children for a just reason, there is no special rule for homosexuals. Homosexuals are simply not able to create a marriage as the Church defines it.
church lectures often young people they misinterpret sexual attraction as true love and that everyone before marriage can express their love in non-sexual way. and now here we are flattening the complex and deep relationship (called love) between two people and bringing it down only to fertility. hey Mr. Smart Guy say that again to married couples who have to carry the burden of infertility . I think I should assume all the titles of vids uploaded have nothing to do with content of the vid. I was wondering what's wrong with love of same-sex couple on the emotional level and what do I get? lecture about physical love. I wish the author could raise a bit the level of debate. I'm so disappointed 😞
Same, I'm Christian and also pansexual, I wanted useful information, not a close minded discussion giving praise to fertility instead caring deeply for a loved one.
So many questions! So what does that mean for...
Christian couples who don't have sex? Or are they encouraged that their genitals join and create life? And if so, I'm assuming sex should only be to procreate? That it's strictly intercourse?
What about Christian couples who are infertile? What does that mean for them?
Homosexuality evolved. It reinforces a SUPERIOR bonding of the family unit. Extra protection and SUPERIOR mental capabilities as homosexuals buck trends, take more chances, and are generally more successful, giving a greater advantage to the family units offspring.
Even if all of this is correct, why would God then create individuals with homosexual orientations?
To stem over population
Even straight couples have sex for pleasure and not just for procreation - I’ve never heard of love for genitals --- it usually starts w a look, a conversation etc…..
A whole lot of heterosexual couples have gotten married and not been "head over heels" in love. I know one woman who said on the day of the wedding, that divorce was always an option.
A friend of mine told me not to care if a girl was the right party or religion or liked sports. Just marry a good person.
Fortunately, I ignored that advice. I know men whose relationships soured, in part, because their wives feigned interest in sports or music, and then flipped after the wedding.
You have to think that 2 gay men or women who have similar views on issues ranging from baseball teams to the discipline of children will have the kind of love that a heterosexual couple who got married solely because of looks and bedroom performance won't.
Two men and two women can have great friendships and live together as roommates if they want, but because they cannot marry or produce children, any romance or sexual interest they have serves no purpose
@@kathyalex778 What?! How stupid offensive are you?! Serve no purpose?! The romancve and sex are the reward themselves. There doesn't have to be anything else.
@@kathyalex778it serves no procreative purpose, which could be an argument regarding marriage, for example, but it is not an argument about the definition of "true love." That's just his made up definition. It's a ridiculous definition, bc what about heterosexual couples who can't get pregnant bc of fertility problems or age? Not true love by his definition. He's trying really hard here, but he's defining the wrong thing
This is a red herring.
Being gay is the attraction to same gender love is different from attraction attraction is different from love
Ey so you shouldn't engage in premarital sex, right ?
And sex between a man and a man/ a women and a women isn't really sex ?
Well my oh my it looks like none of the gays will ever break the law of chastity
The good Lord has brought me and my husband a same sex attracted neighbor. By providence I have been cooking him dinner once a week and showing him Christs love. I don’t know if he knows if I am a Catholic but I pray for him as I make the food. We never know how our Lord is using us to reach the suffering. May the good Lord be with you all ❤.
what about transgenders that are together?
gay and lesbian in marriage with kids and is raising their own family?
are you saying, they are an exemption of your ignorance?
Was roped into this video by the controversial question of the video title and all I have to say is “Wow”. What a beautiful, purposeful, and considerate answer to such a complicated question. I’ve watched a couple of your videos on The Good News Of Sex and Marriage, and have found all of them to be very well-done. You have my subscription.
The man said that gay sex is impossible, but that gay sex was a ruining the sexual representation of God.
The man is essentially making it all up, none of this is scriptural.
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Respectfully, can we start asking legitimate questions concerning this topic without letting our mortal biases creep in? Many gay Christians, such as myself, and outsiders NEED the church to actually understand us first before making conclusions they know nothing about. It's a luxury to judge others with one-off verses and call it "clear text" because you were fortunately born straight and never had to struggle with your existence, but millions and millions of people have a different reality. Maybe answering legitimate questions might reveal the Truth one way or another, or bring more people to Christ.
For one, "genital union" is not in the Bible as the only acceptable union (Song of Songs). People born without genitals or both genitals are male or female? What about chromosomes? If the biological fact is "genitals", why is the biological fact of homosexuality ignored? Or intersexuality? If the issue is not being able to procreate, why is celibacy okay? Why are non-procreative forms of sex okay with straight couples? If women mirror the bride of the church and men mirror God, does that mean God represents a male genital and the church represents a female genital? Or is it the essence of man and woman? If then genitals don't define man or woman, what does?
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I have never laughed so hard in my life for a long time. Reading these comments sure brings some serious chuckles.
It actually took us about ten minutes to figure out of this was parody or real, it's trying so hard to create an argument for looking down on others in a loving way and without any understanding of reality. But everyone wants to be an expert these days, and some will buy into it...
Love is not reducible to sexual expresion. Love as a romantic feeling is beyond sexo and genitals, is About complementation and sacrifice The way two people ended up functioning as one in The persuit of a shared project and goals. Also neuropsycology has conclued there are not differences betwen what a same sex couple feel for one each other or what an heterosexual couple also feel: The exact same brain áreas are stimulated and The same fisiological responses are registrated, that is a biological truth not An interpretation of Nature based on an ancient book you don't understand.
@2:42 -- And you lost. Elderly couples get into new, loving relationships all the time. Their unions are most certainly *not* open to the possibility of new life. This is why your side lost on marriage. Your definition of love and marriage was carefully reverse engineered to *not* include gay couples (who obviously can't procreate), but that definition almost always leaves out the elderly. Your side could never figure out how to include one but not the other.
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Thank you so much for this. Very important answers for very important questions.
Nice to see another Catholic content creator commenting a video from a colleague. :-))
@@timebank1949 catholics do make stuff up though eh
Wow! I could not watch the whole video. His narrow minded and limited understanding of human beings is astonishing.
yah, right?
love is about genitals and genital pleasure for him.
God is love, and He sacrificed His son because of His love for us.
Jesus, was not made by fucking.
even Jesus, was not carried through a semen from a penis..
Come on now!
@killianmiller6107 50% of hetro marriage & christian too end in divorce. Gay marriage at 2%. So much for the godly family unit. Male to male bond & female to female is a superior bond beyond hetro comprehension.
When do men have prostate then?
So, love between two people of the same sex is not love if its sexual. Because of...the Bible.
When I watch a video like this, I always think of the children and young people with same-sex attraction who grow up in communities where this type of reductive christianity is taught. They grow up knowing they are not real (thats what John MacArthur teaches) and that the love they feel is not real either. They suffer from massive self-hate and feel they are not worthy of anything good. They are told that God is monitoring their every thought and if they won't change, they will go to hell.
Mr. West, you have no idea what you are talking about. I would love to see you tell the gay couples who have been together for years that their love is really not love at all.
You use the Bible as an instrument of social control. Saying things like "people only know real love if they love god" is really ridiculous.
To be fair, you might have noticed that none of what he was saying was from the Bible.
It was mostly cultural bias and bad folk-etymology.
People can't even be consistent.
That's how you can tell that they're more attached to their beliefs than their faith.
How did you reduce mr West’s talk to that? Did you hear it? At all? True real love is desiring the absolute best for the other person. Male to male, male to female, female to female…doesn’t matter. I have sincere care for you to the point of dying for you. That’s love. sex is not live. Sex is an expression of love.
@@Grokford
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality (malakoi and arsenokoitai), nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality (arsenokoitai), enslavers, liars, perjurers,
and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.
- 1 Timothy 1:9-10
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392 Those are now well-known mistranslations. You do realize don't you that homoxesuality is a trait not something you practise, so the meaningless of that translation should have been a red flag.
@@MusicalRaichu Will you kindly point out the mistranslation, please?
I think a better way to address this issue is to ask, are you in love with your partner or their body? Really think about it honestly. If they admit to love the bodily attraction more than treating people as people, that's treating people like objects.
Profound
thats most heterosexuals stuffed then
That's not wrong but it's also completely irrelevant.
There are many Queer people who have primarily physical relationships and attractions, just as there are many straight people who do the same.
But unless you have some profoundly detailed data that proves that not a single Queer person loves their partner then it's not really a useful criticism of Queer love or sexuality.
I think a successful marriage comes from both a deep soul connection and a physical attraction at the same time. True for straight and gay ppl the same
I talked to a Lesbian Friend and this is what they argue about the sexuality topic: Men do not care about women"s pleasure since all they think is about penetration which gives them pleasure but most times does not give an orgasm to the woman. They believe that men are selfishly just thinking about getting in and out will the women is not even at 50% harraused, therefore lesbians prefer homosexual sex since another woman will put on the work to pleasure the other person. I understand the point of view and unfortunately had no argument to say otherwise even if I know that homosexual relationships are sinful, maybe and just maybe, men have something to do with the huge amount of women who have turned gay lately.
It is so selfish. Imagine having a problem with someone choosing their own lifestyle, because of the way nature made them which doesn’t even affect you in any way. How can people be so self centered and selfish in this world. It seems like almost every human has to always have some generalized enemy/ies. I’m sure that god loves gay and straight people equally, because the being gay itself does not in any way affect human society badly. I hate when people think they know more than god does. It really shows the abuse of power in this world. Love is in the soul and it doesn’t matter what orientation you are. Love which is true is always healthy even between two men or women. I see love as from a different dimension which is connected to ours however we can’t really control.
@@Alexander12345. If God says homosexuality is not ok, who are we to set another reality? cheers.
People don’t “turn gay”. I know countless straight women who say men are selfish- that doesn’t mean they’re lesbian because they can’t choose who they’re attracted to
The reason it's a challenge to accept that genitals are for generating life is because life is hard. It takes sacrifice to foster and care for life.
but millions of heterosexuals can't or choose not to create life, should we condemn them too?
@@pastorbri yes.
@@machrider3223 really, we can condemn almost everyone then......
It also takes responsibility. Maybe it is easier to say that having a child is a responsibility, not a right.
@@mht5875 if only homophobics would take responcibility for their sin.
Whatever the Catholic Church is in denial about their sexual misconduct with children. So you don't really have a solid case against anybody's sex life.
Wow. The dogma is real with the religious crowd.
If all love were to merit the same form of expression, I’d never want to be alone with someone who loves potato chips.
they would just be fat....no issue there......just greed.
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Straight couples dont seem to truly love each other either. I know this title is clickbait, but its still disgusting.
You will never know how it feels like to be told that my love is ultimately wrong. And I highly doubt that scientists can find any difference between the feelings of two people not willing to reproduce and does who do. That's just not how it works. I really hope that one day you realize that the relationship between my husband and me actually IS true love.
Thank you for your honest comment! We hold brothers and sisters with same sex attraction close to our hearts. We are always trying to convey our message with charity. If you'd be open to more nuance on where Christopher is coming from, here are some other videos that could help:
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Occasionally saw your video and can’t believe what for shit I listened to.
Love is something/someone you can't live without.
That's not love, that's dependency. If you aren't content with yourself, you certainly don't belong in a relationship.
@@rmathews4so if ur married you would easily say “if you die I will manage on my own” ??
Why do they have a habit of just ghosting anyone who makes a good point?
What kind of question is this? Its disgusting how people who are meant to bring people together through God dehumanise people for loving each other to the point of questioning something that is entirely not their business.
The issue of gays and their rights to enjoy love in the way heterosexuals do has been at the forefront of late. I am not referring to one-night hookups which are forbidden in the same way they are for heterosexuals but rather, couples living in loving monogamous same-sex relationships that reflect the love God has for all His subjects.
While I agree that gay marriage as defined presently by the Catholic Church is not possible, there remains a growing effort for the Church to recognize the love, partners in monogamous gay unions, have for each other. While this type of marriage sacramentally is not possible, allow me to explain what might be.
There is a social/sexual revolution coming in the Church. In one aspect of this coming revolution, the Church wants to expound on Pope John Paul’s central idea in “Theology of the Body” and how it centers on the fact that God wants a deep intimate loving relationship with each of us in the same way a committed monogamous heterosexual couple enjoys. It is not meant to reflect this in the physical sense but is mirrored in that way, to reflect the deep love God has for each of us, and the Church attempts to bring to light, to celebrate the joy and exultation that comes from such a love.
The Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality has long been that it is not inherently sinful, as a person does not choose to be either homosexual or heterosexual. However, the Church has always taught that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered” and “contrary to natural law”. According to the Catholic theology on sexuality, all sexual acts must be open to procreation by nature and express the symbolism of male-female complementarity.
The Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality has been founded on the belief in a natural order created by God, as it has been based on the idea that sexual acts should be by the natural law of procreation and male-female complementarity. This theology has been used to form the Church’s view on the sacrament of Marriage and the notion that marriage is only permitted for a union between a man and a woman. “Male and female he created them.” (Gen. 1:27)
Recent scientific developments, however, may influence how the Church addresses this issue in the future. Some feel God may be working in His Church to rectify a wrong that has survived for centuries. Could the coming changes in the Church and yes, changes are coming, possibly be the work of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus promised? Could Pope Francis be His messenger in all of this?
The principle of doctrinal development in Catholicism allows for the Church's understanding of its teachings to evolve and develop over time while still preserving the core truths of the faith. Some examples of this are Original Sin, the Trinity and the doctrine of Purgatory, the Eucharist, the Canon of Scripture, religious liberty, social justice, and the role of women in the Church and society, but to name a few. Should the beliefs of the Church in the area of homosexuality and same-sex unions not evolve when presented with modern scientific evidence that proves otherwise or, should She remain with Her head in the sand in the interest of maintaining the status quo and “preserving the gospel”? The Catechism says, the Church and Her theology, cannot be at odds with science (CCC 159). The Church teaches that faith and reason must always be in agreement or, one or both, are in error (CCC 36, 286).
Medical experts have stated they can find no studies to show that homosexuality is an abnormality in the human person. Experts now widely agree (American Psychological Association (APA), World Health Organization (WHO), American Medical Association (AMA), World Medical Association (WMA), National Academy of Sciences (NAS), National Library of Medicine, and many other numerous research studies) that homosexuality is a natural variation of human sexuality rather than a conscious choice made by individuals or an unnatural disorder the homosexual was born with.
Scientific studies NOW conclude that homosexuality will make up 3% of the population, no matter what, and that homosexuality IS part of the natural order. So, it seems our knowledge of this matter has changed. Should not our theology develop and evolve in light of these new findings? After all, aren’t homosexuals made in the image and likeness of God, as we all are?
If we are not to dispute the scientific and medical consensus, the question then becomes, are homosexuals not allowed to carry out God’s plan of love and commitment in the best way possible, in loving monogamous same-sex unions? Are they not allowed to participate in true love and commitment that mirrors Christ’s love for us on the cross in the same way heterosexual couples who have impediments to marriage, are given dispensations by the Church, even though they cannot fulfil all marriage requirements? It is through no fault of their own, that gays are who they are. God made them as surely as he made you and me, and we all know, God doesn’t make junk.
This is a bunch of bs. What happens if a straight couple never have children or cant. By him its nor a real marriage. I have been in a mongamous relationship with two men one is 23 years 7 of which has been with russell. He passed away 2 months ago. I loved both of them deeply and not just sexually. We would do anything for each other too. With all you see now people dont take marriage seriously. Get married then divorced a week later. But he wants to judge what we do because we cant make a baby. I wouldnt want to have a child now anyways. Too crazy to try and bring a life that will be raised right. Problem with a lot of things now a days. But if you look in the bible to have 10 wifes it was ok but not for us to love one another. No one should judge anyone thats not for us to do.
Thank you for your honest and vulnerable comment! Christopher's intention is never to condemn or wag fingers. If you'd be open to it, here are some videos which will provide a more nuance: ruclips.net/video/7jbhFD8oYQ0/видео.html
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This sounds sus. Are you a psychologist? If not, how many gay people did you talk to, how many straight and gay married couples did you consult, how much psychological research did you study to reach your conclusions about love? Are you even married yourself?
Aw hell naw the christains gate keeping love 💀
This man has a very narrow minded material conception of love. Bodily love is lower than mental spiritual love. When you love God you are loving spiritually. Every human being has the image of God within him. Loving another human being like we love God is the hisghest possible form of love. This is not only possible between two people of the same sex but is the actually the highest form of love that exists. If in this love there is sexual union of whatever description the fact that in a same sex union no children will be produced is meaningless and is a materialistic viewpoint. The divine creation is composed of both material as well as spiritual creation. Writing a symphony is an act of creation. In the same way generating new spiritual heights through a sexual union between two people of the same sex is a form of creation and is at a higher level of creation than the creation of babies.
This is an excellent response. 💕
It doesn't matter what the church says. It matters what the bible says.
You are preaching to the choir. The atheistic mind does not believe in God, remember? The atheist will kill your argument with one assertion- "God does not exist". But, they are their own "god" and anything is permissible.
Today I just lost my job. I told at work that God loves homosexual people. I told that homosexual people requires help that the world is not providing. I also told that teachers that are explaining the biology differences between men and women are being fired from their works and I also told that abortion is wrong. I got fired. I Lost My job. A woman also complained about the fact that I use a rosary around my hand. I am sad because not only did My workplace is firing me due to my beliefs, but also because the person who complained about me, modified what I really said and lied. I am sad but I am aware that this is just the beginning. Pray for me
What about people who are sterile. They can't love since they can't reproduce.
They do and they love each other. Jonathan loved David with a love much greater than the love that he had for his wife. That's a very fiery, amorous type of love. Modern day gays will be extremely jealous of that.
@GaruyHfield. Nice try. There definitely was a sexual love between Jonathan and David. It is holy.
@@user-sf5fk6ox4c I'm gay myself and looked into this before, but everything I've read is that there is no historical evidence of sexual intimacy between them. So we will never know for sure. It doesn't matter. It's still a lovely bond between them
@@tstieber It was a deep connection between the two of them that rivalled David's love of women.
@@peraman2022 we recently read this story in my weekly study group. The way the original Hebrew describes the connection really equates it to the depth of any heterosexual relationship. But I definitely got the impression from the story that Jonathan was more into David than vice versa, as David played the field with a lot of women, while Jonathan seemed like he was likely gay based on his father's seeming disapproval and concern over their relationship, whatever it outwardly projected in those days
@@tstieber I also believe that Jonathan was more into David than the other way around. This is often the case with relationships where one partner is more into it than the other.
Wow, I love this channel. God bless you!
Hi, thank You for an insightful take on a most disruptive issue. Please ttheres slso great confusion about the vow of celibacy and ptiests. ( its interpreted very loosely & given grest leeway as such to mean non marriage but not sex per se with women.( correct this if i zm wrong) What is the teaching on this issue in s future vid. Tq.
🤔 if ears are for hearing and eyes are for seeing then should people who vow celibacy be castrated or have their genitals removed ??
So I guess the whole reason why God created Eve in the first place doesn’t matter, the whole verse that says “it is not good for man to be alone, and I shall create him a companion” doesn’t matter? Because love is all about being able to have kids … got it (This is sarcasm)
What’s more important, finding true companionship in someone else or being able to have kids with them? Because where does that leave every single couple who can’t have kids for one reason or another?
If God is love , why is there so much hate in the world? Doesn't the Bible say he created us in his image? I was with my partner for 28 years, and when he was diagnosed with leukemia, l took care of him and cleaned him until he passed because l loved him. We are both anti- church, but believed in God. It is true what you say. God is love, but the church preaches hate!
Jesus would be ashamed of all these so called Christians ✝️ claiming, "we hate the sin not the sinner!" No lets be real, many of my fellow Christians hate both! What is opposite of love , hate. God is love so what is opposite of God? We all know this. So our fellow Christians become hypocrites and think they have God on their side and so get on the moral high ground and spew hatred and anti Christian beliefs. Lets go back 2000 years. St paul and the other disciplines had to create a new moral code separate from the jews , they couldn't agree on everything but one of the main aspects was to keep the 10 commandments and then follow the teachings of christ. Our Lord was already dead and arisen and ascended to heaven and st matthew had not started to take the accounts to create the first beginnings of the new testament. So they didnt have a name or a doctrine or the new testament as it was all still fresh. The Lord, Jesus of Nazareth , loved the outcasts, ate with them, washed their feet. Forgive them, he was one of them! The pharisees and the high priests depised Jesus. And all he preached was love and forgiveness! Be like christ! When you judge and shun the homosexual community you are shunning Christ! Please look up matthew 12-33
Your vision of sex is reductive and dismissive of people’s lived reality. You offer nice clear-cut little boxes to tell us which sex is ‘love’ and which isn’t. So much so that anything less than heterosexual sex cannot even be categorised as sex at all! « It’s simply impossible for two persons of the same sex to have sex » (4:30) ...If this ‘logic’ were true then same-sex rape would also be ‘impossible’. Tell that to all the boys and men who have been raped by other men! !
I’m sorry but sometimes feelings and the heart do count in defining the morality of an issue and not just whether you’ve the right sexual plumbing etc.
Its not his vision. Its biology.
you cut out the last part of the sentence. This doesn’t mean it is impossible for two people of the same sex to engage in sexual activity, it means it is impossible for them to have sex in the proper way for which sex was intended, being between a married man and woman with the intention of bonding and being open to children. Any sexual acts that don’t fit that description, including between two people of the same sex will always be a twisted, corrupted form of sex, this of course includes sexual abuse between two men or two women.
@@androidaw7927 Speaking of biology, does a homosexual individual get more aroused by the same sex or by the opposite sex?
@@questionasker8791 yeah. Thats a dumb question
@@androidaw7927 It is a really dumb question, I agree! So what does biology tell us?
Love is sitting for days, (for years) with your partner while he has round after round of chemotherapy to fight an aggressive blood cancer. Drive him home, make him dinner, put him to bed.
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Gay couples have exactly the same feelings toward each other as anyone else. To deny this and say it is not love is to deny their humanity. This is just bigotry dressed up in sweet sounding religiosity.
I saw a gay mans response to this subject on another video. He bragged about having 400 different sexual partners. I’m certain love had nothing to do with his relationships.
@@michaelibach9063 and straight men can have relationships that are not loving too. And gay men can have relationships that are loving. Everyone is human. We are all capable of the same depth of feeling. And the same depth of sin.
Love is not a mere feeling.
@@peterlee4753 and unicorns exist too, lol
How could you even know if two people have the same feelings? You cannot see things that are subjective like feelings. This is why all forms of debate and argumentation must be centered around objective truths, which cannot be denied (for example that sex exists for the purpose of reproduction)
I disagree with this dude, even though I do believe in God. I had two gay friends who are Christian and in a relationship, but I end it the friendship. Regardless, it doesn't matter. Love is love.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. This video might provide more nuance if you'd be open to it. ruclips.net/video/IrVwbpTcjZ0/видео.html
What about heterosexuals who cant have children, is it a sin for them
I think we should be more open-minded towards homosexual people cause they already feel alienated in this world. Being a homosexual man, I will not disobey god's will. All what I do need in life is the possibility of not feeling alienated every time because such videos on social media. I want to forget that I have a wrong sexual orientaion, and I m believing it. But, it is surely very hard for me to live in such psychologically destructed conditions. Stop reminding us of a crime we have never done.
Hello and thank you for your honest and vulnerable comment @oussamasoussi8010 ! We're absolutely certain that Christopher's intention is not to make people feel alienated in any way. He recently recorded this video where he shares more of his personal story that hopefully gives you a better window into where he's coming from: ruclips.net/video/mRuJjScVq-U/видео.htmlsi=S8MyFQTjhQsvjsRK
They said gay is a sin and cant get married yet straight people tell others not to get married. Either way we all get to suffer. My only hope rn is the blood of Christ is powerful enough to wash me clean and without sin. I'm not to challenge it by trying to be someone I'm not. I've been there miserable and couldn't enjoy life with Christ.
True love always creates; God-Son-Holy Spirit circle of love created mankind by and for love. We humans, in image of the trinitarian love, join together in love relations to create another human being.
Bullshit
What's your opinion on later in life marriages that have no possibility of procreation? Better not to marry, no sex, and just date for companionship? Interesting thing to think about. Not sure of the answer TBH
A very, very, hard subject to explain. The arguments are remarkably presented. Congratulations for that and thank you very much for the time you have given to the matter.
I felt that this does not only apply to homosecual love but rather to all kind of sexual interactions devoid of the deep significance of God's plan.
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The man said that gay sex is impossible, but that gay sex was a ruining the sexual representation of God.
The man is essentially making it all up, none of this is scriptural.
It's actually not very hard to explain at all. He's making it complicated
Wow! Such a fine high horse.
counting down how long before your hosts start cancelling this channel...
Christopher, the Church is not saying that it is wrong at all to love one another. We should love one another. The Church follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. He is the Head of the Church, we are the body of the church. We are all called to be great saints by Jesus, to do God's Will. Jesus Christ says that a man should not have sex with another man and a woman should not have sex with another woman. God is the one who teach us that. God gave us free-will, so do what you think is right for you. Christians are nice people. They are trying to do God's will. We are all sinners. We need the grace of God to find the Truth. If you are not a Christian, why do you care what we think? If you are a Christian, ask God to teach you what is right. Our soul is eternal. We can choose to do God's will or our own will. Eternity with God or without God. You are not going to convince Christians that Jesus is wrong about that. I am not here to judge you. Find your answers in God. I hope my comment is not offensive to you or anyone else. We are all brothers and sisters and should get along well, loving one another and praying for one another.
Actually, that's false.
Scripture never mentions anything about female-female sex. There is also no generalizable prohibition on homoeroticism in any form.
@@Grokford some Protestant bibles don’t, simply because they have censored the Word. Read the Catholic Bible!
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Do you have a passage for that, or are you just kicking the can down the road.
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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality (malakoi and arsenokoitai), nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality (arsenokoitai), enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. - 1 Timothy 1:9-10
Man, go talk to a snake.
To active church members I kindly ask you to defund hate by defunding religion. Stop tithing. Many have quietly made this decision and it’s the loudest voice the church is hearing. Defund hate today. I have and it’s one of the most meaningful and rewarding decisions I have made in support of my gay brothers’ and sisters’ happiness and fulfillment. Thank you.
Philosophy is a great strength of the Roman Catholic magisterium. They engage with philosophy and take it serioiusly like no other branch of Christianity. However, God does not call us to defend philosophy, but to defend the Good News of Jesus Christ. When the magisterium painted themselves into a corner by dogmatizing philosophical ideas, they put shackles on the Good News. The Good News still saves our souls, but it is less of an effective witness than it would be without the shackles of taking certain particular philosophical ideas and making them dogma. The Eastern Orthodox understand this and therefore have many fewer dogmas. Have you actually Googled to search for lists of Roman Catholic dogmas? There are so many obscure items that are not necessary for salvation, but are claimed to be. We CAN instruct in faith and morals without freezing in place certain philosophical ideas forever and teaching that those particular ideas are inseparable from the Good News.
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Jesus believe the end of days was coming, he was calling for people to repent, follow him, do what he taught, and therefore you would enter the Kingdom of God here on Earth when God brought it about. Procreation didn't matter because the world is ending. Even St Paul when talking about marriage doesn't say it is for the purpose of having children. Paul actually encourages individuals to never have sex. Paul believed the world was about to end. Procreation was meaningless. Jesus was about love and if sex is done with love, whether same sex or otherwise, i believe Jesus would be okay with that. And if God is not okay with that then God can judge one day, if ever. But human beings cannot judge lest ye be judged. As Jesus said. So keep hurtful words to yourself and care for your own soul. Jesus loved sinners. Forgave them too. And Jesus thought lots of things were sin. Christians that make lots of money and don't give lots of it way to the poor, sinners. Jesus had far more to say against the rich than he did the sexually immoral. Two people of the same sex loving each and other having sex is not the same as the way a Roman might have sex with a male prostitute or slave. Very different contexts. The truth is lust didn't just mean sex two thousand years ago. It meant eating lots of food, wearing fine clothes, getting too drunk, desiring power and wealth, living too comfortably. There's a reason some Christians used to wear hair shirts. The reality is most Christians today in rich countries live lives in lust. Television, the internet, nice vacations, lots of food etc... All distractions from God. So if we really want to push authentic Christianity then we should be encouraging Christians to move away from a lot of that stuff. Reduce materialism and pray to God far more. But how many churches are saying that?
If God is love, same sex love isn't real love.
Gay love is real love, ergo...
I love my dog that doesn’t mean to have sex with my dog. 🐩 😂😮😂
Ya well the defense of raw doging it with your pet and your bf is that one can consent
My thoughts about gay couples. They can be like brothers, not as lovers. They can love opposite sex. I might be wrong. idk. I always watch romance movies with male and female together. Makes me hot and crazy inside. But when I start watching gay couples. It doesnt feel the same. Male an female produce babies.
I’m bisexual, when I’m in love with a man I feel the exact same way as when I’m in love with a woman.
Eros, as philia and storge creaturely lovrs, must bow and always abide under the guidance and soveriegnty of agape and He who showed us its meaning, God who is Love.
so homophobia is clearly not love
@@pastorbri Obviously the entire point of this video is that homophobia IS. You got time like that to troll Catholic websites bro?
First line doesn't make sense Eros as philia and storge what? creaturely lovrs? Lovrs isn't a word and idk if you meant creaturely but that line doesn't make sense with the following thought "must bow etc."
@@aaronocello7836 homophobics rarely make any sense to be fair.
@@aaronocello7836 you call Gods people trolls....is satan your god?
This is what I know I love a dude better than a woman I have no sexual desire for women are no attraction to be with In a union with a woman , love is for humans whether man an r woman r same sex I am in stronger love with a dude than a woman all that I say is just ur opinion
Thank you for sharing your perspective. If you'd be open to a deeper explanation of the topic and the reasoning behind it, Christopher has a best selling book where he goes deep into these issues. You can find it here: shop.corproject.com/products/good-news-about-sex-and-marriage
Amen brother we are in the end times
I would argue that humanity has been through far darker periods than today.
Be perfect, as your father in Heaven is perfect..I have yet to meet such a Christian. Far from it. That is the Word so why are you not following that. I don't think you are diving very deeply at all in the mysteries of life. I don't believe you love "sinners" at all. People considered evil are not included and you do not want them around you. Only if they are ready to join the church.