I’m using OMV as a backup system, not as a NAS. I’ve set up random leftover disks in mergerfs and use rsnapshot every night to back up my main NAS. For my use case, it’s perfectly adequate, and free!
I've recently started using OMV on a Raspberry Pi 5 as a NAS. The Pi has a 2.5GB Ethernet adapter. OMV was easy to set-up (two shares: a pair of HDDs in Raid 1, and an SSD). With that setup it has been working very well for me - even at 2.5GB speeds. Plus its open source and free (although donations are accepted!) Not everyone needs, or wants, more.
I have OMV installed on an old desktop with a few drives installed. Added OMV Extras and then installed Docker Compose to run a few containers. Works flawlessly.
Same. I've used Unraid, OMV, and FreeNAS before it was TrueNAS. They each serve their purpose. I liked Unraid's Docker and VM implimentation, but didn't like the storage. I liked OMV for a simple NAS, but I wanted more. I loved FreeNAS, and then TrueNAS, before SCALE was released, and continued to use CORE until SCALE was out. Moved to SCALE right away to get KVM and the debian base.
@novudusomasekhar702 running your own VPN service on the server with a node client installed on each endpoint. OR using a decentralised VPN model, something like Tailscale or ZeroTeir. Works similar but your have account authentication and acts as more of a VLAN rather than a VPN. I have used both of these options in the past, and it really depends on whether you have your own Domain, and/or whether your ISP allows port forwarding. Or if you are locked behind a CG-NAT. Google is your best friend. Happy homelabbing :))
I gotta say, you did a crappy job giving it a fair comparison and were unprofessional about it. In reality, it's far easier to setup OMV than TrueNAS, you were just negative the entire time. It's far better because they use general terms, so everything is self explanatory. Whereas TrueNAS requires KBs and videos to get it going cause their names and ways of doing things are not straight forward. What's worse of what you're doing with this video is diminishing a great competitor, and with that comes reducing competition, even with something that's FREE! I am currently using TrueNAS, but I don't think it's the greatest at all, you can't even turn off caching, which is a huge downside for me cause it actually slows down my all NVMe array.
Funny because when I was setting up OMV, it took me ages to realise that I needed an extra SMB share on top of a regular share. When setting up TrueNAS scale I didn't even notice, since when you create a share, by default TrueNAS creates a SMB share automatically for you unless you uncheck a box. Also, full disk encryption doesn't need a plugin, 20 extra steps to setup , and manual changes to the configuration to unlock disks at boot.
For me open media vault gives me everything i need. It's a solid base for my nextcloud, jellyfin, cups and pihole docker container and that is exactly what i need. It is free unlike unraid and is based on linux unlike true nas which is a huge benefit when it comes to containerization. You can run pretty much everything on it whereas you are much more limited using freebsd.
I have it running and most of my self hosting through portainer and docker. Plus my NAS. DBtech is/was the one who advocated for OMV. Yes, in the past it was meh, now it has been solid for me. Truenas was my first but I migrated to OMV. I tried unRaid as well and went back to OMV. Its simple, not overly complicated, more support, and it works. Also it is run by one person. I support the project every year $.
Nice job on supporting the dev. I just tried it and was so excited about the simplicity. How much more do you need than file storage for a nas? LIKE REALLY? It's about getting a job done and OMV slam dunks it.
Lightweight. Can select between NFS and Samba shares.Has rsync. Requires actual knowledge of linux permissions and how to reconcile them with samba permissions. Don't need any docker crap, since it going to be a VM on a proxmox host. Cool! I love it! Later edit: Pending config doesn't bother me, it's a last chance to review settings before applying (and regretting).
New to OMV but you don't have to apply changes everytime it already makes the changes but reverts them if not applied. So you can make several changes then hit apply once instead of doing it with every small change.
Thanks for the video. I have a question: is it possible to replace Qnap’s operating system with OpenMediaVault? I stopped using my server for its original purpose and would like to experiment with different things for fun. I have a Qnap TS-453Be and would like to try flashing or installing something else on it.
This is my first video of yours ive found, and ao I dont know your background. Comparing this to my very old qnap, this is no more or less hard than that. Also, this is far more capable with regards to security. OMV seems to have featires geared straight at medium business, not the home user. All the things you complain about are very intuative to someone used to enterprise storage management. Including forcing you to apply changes. This way you can stack several changes and apply them all at once - pretty standard stuff. I agree that this is NOT a good fit if it is "my first NAS," and some alerts to guide the user as you suggest would go a long way to that. But from what it looks like, this is maintained by one person. Given what this can do, that's damned impressive and is worth some amount of respect. Also - the network usage you were looking for is under diagnostics. I think you might be able to ahow that on the customizable dashboard, but I havent gitten that far yet 😂 From someone who has worked on enterprise and cloud storage solutions for decades, OMV is really, really easy. But I totally agree that for someone who has never been exposed, this is not intuative, and ither NAS products are privably a better place to start.
What a farce. Bashing OMV again and again. I think we got it by now that you strongly dislike it and want more/other features. You obviously don`t get the concept. Its design is modeled after corporate equipment and therefore not for everybody. If you are after a jack of all trades solution, this is not for you. So please, stop bashing OMV, you are making a fool of yourself.
So if it "meh" to you, what do you suggest is easier for newbies to setup and run as a lightweight NAS? OMV has worked well for me but I am all ears for something similar yet easier. Cheers!
it is meh, It took me 2 full days to setup that overcomplicate POS sotware up and running and it doesnt work that well. Yeah sure, if you are a linux or network buff, maybe its easy, but for the every joe, that one of the most difficult thing you could ask for
OMV is amazing. I honestly can't find a reason to dump OMV for anything else. Portainer, Casaos for dockers. KVM plugin for VMs and LXCs I have no need for Proxmox but I'm running it in KVM just for fun. What am I missing??
I just set up an OMV7 system as my first Linux NAS. I would say it's OK. The main weakness is the UI, which isn't super polished. But, it works for what's intended. Aside from the UI, I was actually pleasantly surprised with the Docker Compose support, especially the Add From Example option. And, if you don't want to use it directly, they have built-in examples to get Portainer and/or Yacht running, which I did in just a few seconds. But, after using OMV for a few weeks, I started questioning whether I needed any NAS OS at all (OMV, TrueNAS, UnRAID, whatever). It might be better to just run a Linux server such as Debian or Ubuntu, and install some combination of CasaOS, Webmin, Cockpit, Houston, and various Docker containers, including Portainer or Yacht. If the HW is powerful enough, you could even include a desktop to RDP in, if that's more comfortable than working through Web UI or ssh.
Got into Homelab because OMV made it possible, as my 15 year old laptop was good for running nothing except OMV as Trunas Scale was too heavy for it, 2 years running strong
I think OMV is a great NAS OS, not an Appliance NAS OS. It is very very flexible compared to unraid or truenas mainly due to access to the debian package manager. I personally prefer how the settings are not obfuscated/merged so I can actually know what I am doing in the GUI as it follows how you would do it in the CLI in terms of steps.
I'm not sure every NAS os can be used without looking at some docs and for a Foss os there are some pretty good guides. Don't forget Unraid is not free or opensource. Regarding the apply config , I think you save 1 click if using truenas for lots of options. Regarding truenas, I see more videos with problems when trying to use docker than than I see in the OMV forums. I really like OMV it works great on my JBOD system. Truenas just looks to much hassle to learn for my uses, plenty of docker, vm, backups etc. Plus if you want the most out of OMV, you really need to install the OMV extras,thete are lots of plugins. I don't think lots of reviewers get OMV, to me it is extremely configurable and a lot more lightweight than other NAS OS. I'm sticking with, I like it and I like the forums.
I’m glad you like it. It certainly has its use cases and while I may not be a primary user I’m not oblivious to the fact all software doesn’t have to cater to me.
I struggle to see how OMV couldn’t be considered intuitive. I’m an absolute novice in this world, but I was able to get OMV setup with a RAID1 and an SMB share running with minimal issue. The only snag I ran in to was needing to install the md plugin to setup the RAID1. On the flip side I couldn’t even get TrueNAS Scale to install properly on my machine, despite trying different methods of writing the ISO. I wanted to use TrueNAS, but for now OMV does the trick. If I cannot get nextcloud and tail scale running I may reconsider trying to start fresh with TrueNAS.
@@TheeAbstractHero If you're going to be using docker, then both of these should work fine. You could also use a VM if you prefer. I thought I was the only one who thinks Truescale looks more complicated than need be 😄
@@try-that I should be trying it out soon once i get the data migrated over from all of my machines, however as RaidOwl had said in the video the snapshots seem to be a bit off-putting. Looks like I'll have to try to find out!
@Raid Owl I am new to home lab and installed OMV 7. Having no Linux experience, it was a challenge. I find it works okay for me as a NAS. I tried to play around with Docker and ran into so many problems. I ended up installing Portainer and was able to create a container for Heimdall and OpenSpeedTest on there. I also find the UI on OMV very difficult to work with. What is your go to NAS OS?
@@RaidOwl Hey, can we get a video on custom app docker container implementation on TrueNAS scale? Several of my apps are now without good support due to Truecharts jumping ship, And I like to feel a bit more confident with the Docker setup with some Wise Owl guidance.
I ran OMV 7 on my proxmox cluster for a few months - I'd say it was "fine", but I didn't love the UX either. But it was lightweight and I could run it without passing through raw drives because I wanted to dump the whole thing to the backup server at once. TIP: Don't use USB drives as storage in proxmox, only regret awaits those who dare. And ESPECIALLY don't ZFS them. Just saying.
I have OpenMediaVault on one of those CM3588 NAS Kits; thanks for your run thru; while I've figured out some stuff on my own, some stuff you went over helped; apparently there's some differences for things like snapshots with BTRFS vs ZFS. Other parts were interesting too. Thanks. Interestingly, I was annoyed because I saw NO metrics on the network interface; interestingly enough, it was not configured, yet working but no metrics .. YAY..
You are a nice guy and I like most of you video's, but just don't know a lot about linux. That's why you are having a hard time with OMV. In my opinion, OMV is just a UI above debian, nothing more. It has handy feature if you know how linux/debian works..... and I think you don't know that enough to understand how thinks work or where certain UI chooses come from.
I agree 100%. It's a lightweight, simpleish NAS OS that will run on anything. If it's all that will work on your machine, you'll find a way to do what you need.
XigmaNAS kinda broke me a bit, so OMV seems intuitive to me now (everything's relative!) I really wish omv-extras was installed out of the box too, as I had to use that to get ZFS, Docker Compose, and Plex.
Maybe it's just me, but all of that seems like it would be quicker and easier to mkdir's, adduser, install samba, smbpasswd, edit smb.conf, edit exports, restart some services, and add an rsync cron job. Add mdadm for flavor. I'm really baffled how things have not gotten universally easier for what should be simple tasks in 20+ years. I guess the dashboard is nice.
Regarding trying the hiemdell container install pretty poor of you really most people would look at the compose file first. I'd have liked you to have a better look at the compose plugin, it does everything from editing to backing up, scheduling backups, auto updates etc. I've not used portainer since. It will interesting to see what truenas does for it's new docker implementation. After compose plugin, Unraid docker looks pretty long winded. But like you said, with PCs there is no right way of doing stuff.
Yeah I mean this was an unscripted first look. The idea was to explore and see if OMV has become more intuitive and it seems like it hasn’t. I don’t doubt that there is functionality that I missed but…I’m okay with that lol.
Last time I tried the two, TrueNAS Scale had just released and it felt less than fully feature complete. The big problem I see is that TrueNAS Scale does not support hardware raid, where OMV does.
I got one of those with the 16gb ram and 64gb emmc and it came with OMV preinstalled. I really tried to make it work... and I could not for the life of me get it to even install docker correctly. I wound up installing the ubuntu image to the emmc and then installing casaOS. it has been a much better experience. The brick wall has found my head so much less since I ditched OMV.
Agree with your frustrations. I have an old Atom Z8350 system, and just set a SMB share for quick file transfers. It is stable with very low resources. Thank you for the video! Click to apply Pending configuration changes!
I wonder if someone already got the idea to write a few wizards for OMV to declutter some work flows, so you dont have to jump through a dozen menus to set everything up - for which you need to know that that is needed first.
Looking at omv instead of truenas in proxmox set up running on a terramaster f4-424, Only need shares ,also with true nas you cant use a "das" bought the d8 hybrid Which i think you can with this ?
I'm using OMV 7 for home NAS on Dell OptiPlex 7090 with a USB JBOD. Thoughts, OMV has always made you select an option and then confirm the action. Yes that is a bit of a pain, but it's really not that big of a deal. Deployment of Docker takes getting use to. You can circumvent Docker on OMV and do.command line or install Portainer. Getting OMV 7 setup the way you want is not as easy as other softwares. I did try True NAS in my environment. It did not like my USB JBOD. To be fair, neither True NAS or OMV 7 allow you to do RAID beyond RAID 0. In the end, I have OMV 7 configured the way I want it, and it works well.
Oh my, first time in seeing the openmedia vault, that reminder to accept what you wanted to do, dude, you held it together well..ive had that in other softwares and it does my head in each time (most likely as it wasnt as obvious theres something more to do Before it does it). That and the firey hoops you need to jump through to create a share..linux knowledge or not, it should be more intuitive if they want widescale takeup.
I'm running OMV7 on a RPi5. I just got used to it, but file sharing truly wasnt intuitive. It took me days to learn how to manage BTRFS in the CLI, it annoyed me so much. I don't mind their proprietary Docker frontend. I'm making do with what I'm willing to pay for, but with my server up without dowbtime for 20 days I'm satisfied with it ... I do hope they overhaul file sharing in future revisions.
The irritation is strong in this one... OMV was the first NAS OS I tried, I think it was OMV 3.something. There was a jump to 4.something and once I got it all working, I used that NAS with two 1 TB drives in it for years. Configuration has always been archaic and tedious, and it appears nothing has changed. I suppose it would still work on that Celeron 1007U I have collecting dust in the basement.. but who cares?
OMV is perfectly fine for a low power nas on a pi but thats about all from my experience. If you want a nas OS that can do docker and other things it can but its not really the best tool for the job. I had to jump through hoops to get docker and portainer working right
I use OMV as a NAS. Docker, kubernetes, add on applications etc. I run in Proxmox. I don't need or want that stuff running in my NAS. I agree with most/all of your critiques of OMV. BUT, I have to say I keep coming back to OMV because TrueNAS is my nemesis. For whatever reason, I cannot get NFS on TrueNAS to play nice with K3S or Nextcloud running in a VM (but storing its user data on an NFS share in my NAS). I can make K3S and Nextcloud work perfectly fine with Synology, Terramaster, and OMV, but not TrueNAS. In TrueNAS I set up permissions for my shares and I when I come back to the UI, the permissions have changed. WTF? I really, really want to love TrueNAS Scale, but sadly, no. I will give HexOS a try, and I will give Houston a try. Maybe one of those can unseat OMV as my NAS virtualization software.
Useful video as always - thanks for that... I think your criticism of the UX is warranted; even if the product only aspires to be something on a Raspberry Pi, it's still not that great. It looks like it's been designed by a developer as a programming exercise - which is a shame because there are a few other projects that do a lot of the same things but better.
My experience has been mixed. OMV is mostly ok as an 'install and forget about it' NAS application without too much overhead. Does what I need it to do pretty reliably. That said, I'll never try using it for containerization again. I had a power blip that caused an unexpected outage. At the time OMV 5 with Docker and Portainer, and I had a few hosted containers running in the OMV instance because I thought it made sense. The unexpected outage broke everything -real- bad, and I'm still to this day something of a linux noob. Between poor documentation, me not knowing what I had to do to fix it, and a tangled mess of BS that looked like turning a couple of toddlers loose in your network closet to rerun all the drops, it was a problem. Got it sorted eventually, but that one instance proved to me that's just a 'we also do this, but not that well' function on their resume.
I used OMV 5.0 as my first NAS on an old Dell PowerEdge tower - file transfers were slow as hell. Then OMV 6 came out with docker removed and replaced with their own container manager. It was a mess and pain in butt to work. I ended up ditching it and getting a Synology for my main NAS and another mini server which I installed Debian along with Cockpit and 45 Drives file server and user access plugins, and Dockge container manager that I strictly use for handbrake. They both work great. Much better than OMV ever did. Just a basic Ubuntu server with samba and docker would EVEN be better than OMV. As it isn’t such a confused and convoluted mess.
Dang, the sarcasm is strong in this one. If we didnt see your hands every now and then, I'd swear you were wearing gloves just to type on this system lol. And the "My test of ONE of these apps proves that they all work perfectly..." love it!
Rockstor seems better at pretty much everything. It's easier to add and remove disks to/from a pool, handle disks with existing partitions and deal with full disk encryption.
Just installed this today and yeah its really basic but does what i need it todo - backup my other server with rsync. Would hate to use it for anything more
I started out using OMV on a Raspberry Pi 4. The only way I could figure out how to do that at the time was to install OMV on top of Raspbian. This caused all sorts of username issues and every time the system restarted, I'd have to SSH in and change passwords and fix it. The whole system was not very intuitive, but it did work for me for about a year before I gave up on it. I thought about trying it again for a backup system, but realized Portainer would be a chore to install, so I decided against it.
If you're using it as a home consumer and dont like having your hand held; then no, its not for you. For my first NAS on pi its certainly a learning curve. But im enjoying it so far.
OMV is my first NAS OS, the fact that your getting slightly annoyed by OMV makes me wonder if I'm normal 😅. My build is a bit on the cheap side but had to go with SSD (power consumption, noise and physical size) with different drive sizes so I can utilize MergerFS, I know, not a good choice but it's just for media that I'm not afraid to lose. Docker sucks in this thing
I used version 6 and really liked it, (two years?) but installed a new setup on 7, and ended up dumping OMV and just doing a Ubuntu share of a 10 TB hard drive. OMV was frustrating, for instance, Upload files to the share, it works, then the files permission changed and I am not able to do anything with the saved files...
For this thing being supposed to be a NAS os there are A LOT of somewhat not very handheld steps to do in order to create a very core thing for a NAS! This feels like this NAS wants to give off the impression that every new homelaber is handheld but in reality easy things (at least they should be easy for a NAS) are unnecessary complicated by way too much different steps!
Does OMV support Legacy Bios which is G41 motherboard with dual core processor 2gb DDR3 Ram. I have turned OMV iso through balena etcher but not booting in to nas OS. Any fix plz.
One of my OMV7 systems, mainly used as a backup location, is a Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L mobo with a Core Duo E7500 CPU and 4gb DDR2 RAM. You should be ok though some Legacy Bios's can be 'quirky' regarding the option to choose to boot from a USB drive. Try using Rufus instead of Etcher to re-flash your USB drive with the following settings: "Partition scheme as MBR" , "Target system BIOS or UEFI" and under "Volume" set "File system FAT32 (Default)"
A short version of my comment that I made If you want simple media sharing use your router If you have a Wi-Fi 6 router or an up you should have no problem doing it shouldn't be an issue I just bought a router for about 150 bucks I only wanted 1 gigabit connections because I'm doing a lot of custom stuff remodeling all that The whole thing of it is the router will do a lot better than this which has not changed also the router flat out told me hey you just made a folder I see it but you haven't assigned any users that are able to access this very easy to do they even have a wizard isn't that nice hell you can take routers and flash them with Linux distributions and you'll find out you can even get more nast features most modern routers like Wi-Fi 6 will have FTP and all the other stuff you pretty much need which is great if it's a small home network nothing too crazy you'll get all your videos and everything cuz I've done it and I've used a Roku of all devices and we know how those things can get very picky and if that can work then it's the option I'm going with
@@RaidOwl Thanks for quick reply I have tried Cloudflare tunnel with a domain I own, I am able to open OMV web ui from the domain but not able to access shared folder even though i have enaled nfs smb share. I am kind of noob for network related stuff
The honesty is refreshing. Thank you for showing everyone how unintuitive the nas functions of OMV is. Most people have never explored unraid or truenas and so don’t know that it doesn’t have to be this way and this isn’t the norm
UI isn't insanely good. But I tend to do the setup and I don't have to fiddle around with it after that for multiple years. Not everyone has TrueNAS or Unraid needed hardware.
I'm using OMV for docker apps and VMs but I must say docker on this OS SUCKS... That's why I'm using portainer to manage my docker apps. And yeaaaah setup is not easy... With every iteration it's a bit easier...
I have seen some of your other videos which were great, but I'm sorry, but I couldn't watch this video all the way though, you were so pissed off about something it was uncomfortable to watch and I had to turn it off.
You started negatvely and ended the same so...what is your problem?! So what is a good NAS os in your opinion... I have used it for years and it has got better... So you like running your mouth off so prey tell us what is best...??? What is something that isn't light weight?!
Ok your opinion...still doesn't explain why you felt the need to slag off Openmediavault...you were negative from start to finish...not a good review...for all the bells and whistles TrueNAS does the same...and not better NAS Network Attached Storage...Openmediavault does a good job of offering a sound NAS web interface if you want people to follow your videos try being constructive instead of mr doom and gloom...I don't personally like TrueNAS...but don't feel the need to slag it off to make a review.
@@RaidOwl One more thing people doing comparisons should do is look into the behind the scenes of these different NAS solutions...TrueNAS is a huge company with many employees working on the project while OMV has basically the developer and one other doing all the work TrueNAS is not really aimed at the home user where OMV is....this sort of information gives the viewer watching perspective......😀
honestly after watching your walkthrough i probably would just prefer to install debian & do everything from the command line. What does OMV really add? A crappy UI or maybe if you REALLY want a UI use CasaOS.
Openmediavault sucks. I tried it some years ago and it was unreliable. Sudden crashes and disappeared disks let me switch to another thing. My small solution was Debian with cockpit which works really fine and reliable. That's what I want from a NAS it should just work. Yesterday I wanted to try a newer version of openmediavault and installed it. Copied all my data onto my disks and after some reboots OMV can't find my disks anymore 😂 Thats like years ago. The system sucks. Truenas seems to be better at first sight but it has slightly more system requirements like RAM. So my small setup only has around 40 GB RAM for all my vms and container and I think running truenas with 8 GB will work but it will be it's at lower end. Should I deal with it anyway?
I’m using OMV as a backup system, not as a NAS. I’ve set up random leftover disks in mergerfs and use rsnapshot every night to back up my main NAS.
For my use case, it’s perfectly adequate, and free!
I've recently started using OMV on a Raspberry Pi 5 as a NAS. The Pi has a 2.5GB Ethernet adapter. OMV was easy to set-up (two shares: a pair of HDDs in Raid 1, and an SSD). With that setup it has been working very well for me - even at 2.5GB speeds. Plus its open source and free (although donations are accepted!) Not everyone needs, or wants, more.
I personally really like it (easy to install - easy to set up - lightweight and stable 💯💪🏻)
I have OMV installed on an old desktop with a few drives installed. Added OMV Extras and then installed Docker Compose to run a few containers. Works flawlessly.
OMV was my gateway drug to TrueNAS.
Same. I've used Unraid, OMV, and FreeNAS before it was TrueNAS. They each serve their purpose.
I liked Unraid's Docker and VM implimentation, but didn't like the storage.
I liked OMV for a simple NAS, but I wanted more.
I loved FreeNAS, and then TrueNAS, before SCALE was released, and continued to use CORE until SCALE was out. Moved to SCALE right away to get KVM and the debian base.
@@suntoryjim How can you access shared folder out side home network?
Any link to document is grateful!
@novudusomasekhar702 running your own VPN service on the server with a node client installed on each endpoint. OR using a decentralised VPN model, something like Tailscale or ZeroTeir. Works similar but your have account authentication and acts as more of a VLAN rather than a VPN. I have used both of these options in the past, and it really depends on whether you have your own Domain, and/or whether your ISP allows port forwarding. Or if you are locked behind a CG-NAT. Google is your best friend. Happy homelabbing :))
@@novudusomasekhar702Zerotier or Tailscale
Bro, you cannot create a Cher if you don't believe in life after love ? 😂
We've all been there! I mean, if I could turn back time 😅
I gotta say, you did a crappy job giving it a fair comparison and were unprofessional about it.
In reality, it's far easier to setup OMV than TrueNAS, you were just negative the entire time.
It's far better because they use general terms, so everything is self explanatory. Whereas TrueNAS requires KBs and videos to get it going cause their names and ways of doing things are not straight forward.
What's worse of what you're doing with this video is diminishing a great competitor, and with that comes reducing competition, even with something that's FREE!
I am currently using TrueNAS, but I don't think it's the greatest at all, you can't even turn off caching, which is a huge downside for me cause it actually slows down my all NVMe array.
Lol ok Victor
Funny because when I was setting up OMV, it took me ages to realise that I needed an extra SMB share on top of a regular share. When setting up TrueNAS scale I didn't even notice, since when you create a share, by default TrueNAS creates a SMB share automatically for you unless you uncheck a box.
Also, full disk encryption doesn't need a plugin, 20 extra steps to setup , and manual changes to the configuration to unlock disks at boot.
OMV does what I need and was easy to set up. Never run it on a PI though. Its great for what it is.
Why never on pi? It works fine on a pi
Each time you said OMG with the Pending message got funnier and funnier. Love your style. Thanks for the video.
Just watching a man slowly drift into insanity
Strong disagree, but mostly just so I can feel something.
I feel you homie
For me open media vault gives me everything i need. It's a solid base for my nextcloud, jellyfin, cups and pihole docker container and that is exactly what i need. It is free unlike unraid and is based on linux unlike true nas which is a huge benefit when it comes to containerization. You can run pretty much everything on it whereas you are much more limited using freebsd.
I have it running and most of my self hosting through portainer and docker. Plus my NAS. DBtech is/was the one who advocated for OMV. Yes, in the past it was meh, now it has been solid for me. Truenas was my first but I migrated to OMV. I tried unRaid as well and went back to OMV. Its simple, not overly complicated, more support, and it works. Also it is run by one person. I support the project every year $.
Nice job on supporting the dev. I just tried it and was so excited about the simplicity. How much more do you need than file storage for a nas? LIKE REALLY? It's about getting a job done and OMV slam dunks it.
4:34 Bless you, bro
Yo thanks, the Holy Ghost got me.
Mormon?......@@RaidOwl
@@gpatkins lol no
Lightweight. Can select between NFS and Samba shares.Has rsync. Requires actual knowledge of linux permissions and how to reconcile them with samba permissions. Don't need any docker crap, since it going to be a VM on a proxmox host. Cool! I love it!
Later edit: Pending config doesn't bother me, it's a last chance to review settings before applying (and regretting).
New to OMV but you don't have to apply changes everytime it already makes the changes but reverts them if not applied. So you can make several changes then hit apply once instead of doing it with every small change.
Thanks for the video. I have a question: is it possible to replace Qnap’s operating system with OpenMediaVault? I stopped using my server for its original purpose and would like to experiment with different things for fun. I have a Qnap TS-453Be and would like to try flashing or installing something else on it.
This is my first video of yours ive found, and ao I dont know your background. Comparing this to my very old qnap, this is no more or less hard than that. Also, this is far more capable with regards to security. OMV seems to have featires geared straight at medium business, not the home user. All the things you complain about are very intuative to someone used to enterprise storage management. Including forcing you to apply changes. This way you can stack several changes and apply them all at once - pretty standard stuff. I agree that this is NOT a good fit if it is "my first NAS," and some alerts to guide the user as you suggest would go a long way to that. But from what it looks like, this is maintained by one person. Given what this can do, that's damned impressive and is worth some amount of respect. Also - the network usage you were looking for is under diagnostics. I think you might be able to ahow that on the customizable dashboard, but I havent gitten that far yet 😂 From someone who has worked on enterprise and cloud storage solutions for decades, OMV is really, really easy. But I totally agree that for someone who has never been exposed, this is not intuative, and ither NAS products are privably a better place to start.
What a farce. Bashing OMV again and again. I think we got it by now that you strongly dislike it and want more/other features. You obviously don`t get the concept. Its design is modeled after corporate equipment and therefore not for everybody. If you are after a jack of all trades solution, this is not for you. So please, stop bashing OMV, you are making a fool of yourself.
Oh no! I’m such a fool!!! Oh nooooooooo!!!!
@tristen_grant How DARE I voice my opinion?!?!
So if it "meh" to you, what do you suggest is easier for newbies to setup and run as a lightweight NAS? OMV has worked well for me but I am all ears for something similar yet easier. Cheers!
it is meh, It took me 2 full days to setup that overcomplicate POS sotware up and running and it doesnt work that well. Yeah sure, if you are a linux or network buff, maybe its easy, but for the every joe, that one of the most difficult thing you could ask for
OMV is amazing. I honestly can't find a reason to dump OMV for anything else. Portainer, Casaos for dockers. KVM plugin for VMs and LXCs I have no need for Proxmox but I'm running it in KVM just for fun. What am I missing??
I just set up an OMV7 system as my first Linux NAS. I would say it's OK. The main weakness is the UI, which isn't super polished. But, it works for what's intended. Aside from the UI, I was actually pleasantly surprised with the Docker Compose support, especially the Add From Example option. And, if you don't want to use it directly, they have built-in examples to get Portainer and/or Yacht running, which I did in just a few seconds. But, after using OMV for a few weeks, I started questioning whether I needed any NAS OS at all (OMV, TrueNAS, UnRAID, whatever). It might be better to just run a Linux server such as Debian or Ubuntu, and install some combination of CasaOS, Webmin, Cockpit, Houston, and various Docker containers, including Portainer or Yacht. If the HW is powerful enough, you could even include a desktop to RDP in, if that's more comfortable than working through Web UI or ssh.
Got into Homelab because OMV made it possible, as my 15 year old laptop was good for running nothing except OMV as Trunas Scale was too heavy for it, 2 years running strong
I think OMV is a great NAS OS, not an Appliance NAS OS.
It is very very flexible compared to unraid or truenas mainly due to access to the debian package manager. I personally prefer how the settings are not obfuscated/merged so I can actually know what I am doing in the GUI as it follows how you would do it in the CLI in terms of steps.
I'm not sure every NAS os can be used without looking at some docs and for a Foss os there are some pretty good guides. Don't forget Unraid is not free or opensource.
Regarding the apply config , I think you save 1 click if using truenas for lots of options.
Regarding truenas, I see more videos with problems when trying to use docker than than I see in the OMV forums.
I really like OMV it works great on my JBOD system. Truenas just looks to much hassle to learn for my uses, plenty of docker, vm, backups etc.
Plus if you want the most out of OMV, you really need to install the OMV extras,thete are lots of plugins.
I don't think lots of reviewers get OMV, to me it is extremely configurable and a lot more lightweight than other NAS OS.
I'm sticking with, I like it and I like the forums.
I’m glad you like it. It certainly has its use cases and while I may not be a primary user I’m not oblivious to the fact all software doesn’t have to cater to me.
Good points, OMV is great for a lightweight foss OS
I struggle to see how OMV couldn’t be considered intuitive. I’m an absolute novice in this world, but I was able to get OMV setup with a RAID1 and an SMB share running with minimal issue. The only snag I ran in to was needing to install the md plugin to setup the RAID1.
On the flip side I couldn’t even get TrueNAS Scale to install properly on my machine, despite trying different methods of writing the ISO. I wanted to use TrueNAS, but for now OMV does the trick. If I cannot get nextcloud and tail scale running I may reconsider trying to start fresh with TrueNAS.
@@TheeAbstractHero If you're going to be using docker, then both of these should work fine. You could also use a VM if you prefer. I thought I was the only one who thinks Truescale looks more complicated than need be 😄
@@try-that I should be trying it out soon once i get the data migrated over from all of my machines, however as RaidOwl had said in the video the snapshots seem to be a bit off-putting.
Looks like I'll have to try to find out!
@Raid Owl I am new to home lab and installed OMV 7. Having no Linux experience, it was a challenge. I find it works okay for me as a NAS. I tried to play around with Docker and ran into so many problems. I ended up installing Portainer and was able to create a container for Heimdall and OpenSpeedTest on there. I also find the UI on OMV very difficult to work with. What is your go to NAS OS?
TrueNAS is my personal go to but for newcomers I like to recommend they try Unraid.
UnRAID
@@RaidOwl Hey, can we get a video on custom app docker container implementation on TrueNAS scale? Several of my apps are now without good support due to Truecharts jumping ship, And I like to feel a bit more confident with the Docker setup with some Wise Owl guidance.
I ran OMV 7 on my proxmox cluster for a few months - I'd say it was "fine", but I didn't love the UX either. But it was lightweight and I could run it without passing through raw drives because I wanted to dump the whole thing to the backup server at once. TIP: Don't use USB drives as storage in proxmox, only regret awaits those who dare. And ESPECIALLY don't ZFS them. Just saying.
Thank you for the laughs mate. Sitting at home sick as 🤧, I needed the entertainment 😂
I have OpenMediaVault on one of those CM3588 NAS Kits; thanks for your run thru; while I've figured out some stuff on my own, some stuff you went over helped; apparently there's some differences for things like snapshots with BTRFS vs ZFS. Other parts were interesting too. Thanks.
Interestingly, I was annoyed because I saw NO metrics on the network interface; interestingly enough, it was not configured, yet working but no metrics .. YAY..
I use OMV as a quick and dirty PXE server and use as a SMB share to backup a system I am repairing/upgrading.
Good video, Nice week !!
You are a nice guy and I like most of you video's, but just don't know a lot about linux. That's why you are having a hard time with OMV. In my opinion, OMV is just a UI above debian, nothing more. It has handy feature if you know how linux/debian works..... and I think you don't know that enough to understand how thinks work or where certain UI chooses come from.
Have been running OMV on my RPi 4B now for about 5 years. It's been great and will continue to use it until the Pi dies.
I agree 100%. It's a lightweight, simpleish NAS OS that will run on anything. If it's all that will work on your machine, you'll find a way to do what you need.
XigmaNAS kinda broke me a bit, so OMV seems intuitive to me now (everything's relative!) I really wish omv-extras was installed out of the box too, as I had to use that to get ZFS, Docker Compose, and Plex.
Do I agree with you? Yes.
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OMV is great at what it does. Runs on almost anything.
Agreed
Maybe it's just me, but all of that seems like it would be quicker and easier to mkdir's, adduser, install samba, smbpasswd, edit smb.conf, edit exports, restart some services, and add an rsync cron job. Add mdadm for flavor. I'm really baffled how things have not gotten universally easier for what should be simple tasks in 20+ years.
I guess the dashboard is nice.
Regarding trying the hiemdell container install pretty poor of you really most people would look at the compose file first.
I'd have liked you to have a better look at the compose plugin, it does everything from editing to backing up, scheduling backups, auto updates etc.
I've not used portainer since.
It will interesting to see what truenas does for it's new docker implementation.
After compose plugin, Unraid docker looks pretty long winded.
But like you said, with PCs there is no right way of doing stuff.
Yeah I mean this was an unscripted first look. The idea was to explore and see if OMV has become more intuitive and it seems like it hasn’t. I don’t doubt that there is functionality that I missed but…I’m okay with that lol.
The whole uncommitted changes is more of a firewall thing, you see it on big corpo firewalls like palo alto .
Last time I tried the two, TrueNAS Scale had just released and it felt less than fully feature complete. The big problem I see is that TrueNAS Scale does not support hardware raid, where OMV does.
If I wanted more out of my setup I'd probably use another distro, but I'm just using OMV on a CM3358 for backups and that works fine.
Yeah I mean it “works” for simple solutions. So if that’s your use case then OMV is perfectly fine.
I got one of those with the 16gb ram and 64gb emmc and it came with OMV preinstalled. I really tried to make it work... and I could not for the life of me get it to even install docker correctly.
I wound up installing the ubuntu image to the emmc and then installing casaOS. it has been a much better experience. The brick wall has found my head so much less since I ditched OMV.
Anything out other than OMV which use different sized disks?
Agree with your frustrations. I have an old Atom Z8350 system, and just set a SMB share for quick file transfers. It is stable with very low resources. Thank you for the video! Click to apply Pending configuration changes!
I wonder if someone already got the idea to write a few wizards for OMV to declutter some work flows, so you dont have to jump through a dozen menus to set everything up - for which you need to know that that is needed first.
I use OMV7, the default image is pretty mid but the plugins make it way way better
Looking at omv instead of truenas in proxmox set up running on a terramaster f4-424,
Only need shares ,also with true nas you cant use a "das" bought the d8 hybrid
Which i think you can with this ?
I'm using OMV 7 for home NAS on Dell OptiPlex 7090 with a USB JBOD. Thoughts, OMV has always made you select an option and then confirm the action. Yes that is a bit of a pain, but it's really not that big of a deal. Deployment of Docker takes getting use to. You can circumvent Docker on OMV and do.command line or install Portainer. Getting OMV 7 setup the way you want is not as easy as other softwares. I did try True NAS in my environment. It did not like my USB JBOD. To be fair, neither True NAS or OMV 7 allow you to do RAID beyond RAID 0. In the end, I have OMV 7 configured the way I want it, and it works well.
Oh my, first time in seeing the openmedia vault, that reminder to accept what you wanted to do, dude, you held it together well..ive had that in other softwares and it does my head in each time (most likely as it wasnt as obvious theres something more to do Before it does it). That and the firey hoops you need to jump through to create a share..linux knowledge or not, it should be more intuitive if they want widescale takeup.
I'm running OMV7 on a RPi5. I just got used to it, but file sharing truly wasnt intuitive. It took me days to learn how to manage BTRFS in the CLI, it annoyed me so much. I don't mind their proprietary Docker frontend. I'm making do with what I'm willing to pay for, but with my server up without dowbtime for 20 days I'm satisfied with it ... I do hope they overhaul file sharing in future revisions.
4:33 What a lovely day for an exorcism.
Wait til you play that clip backwards
@@RaidOwl Huh.. it says: "All Hail TrueNAS, Like and Subscribe"
The irritation is strong in this one...
OMV was the first NAS OS I tried, I think it was OMV 3.something. There was a jump to 4.something and once I got it all working, I used that NAS with two 1 TB drives in it for years. Configuration has always been archaic and tedious, and it appears nothing has changed. I suppose it would still work on that Celeron 1007U I have collecting dust in the basement.. but who cares?
Omv 6 is excellent, omv 7 is good too. So, which is the problem?
The GUI is a bit of a problem.
OMV is perfectly fine for a low power nas on a pi but thats about all from my experience. If you want a nas OS that can do docker and other things it can but its not really the best tool for the job.
I had to jump through hoops to get docker and portainer working right
I use OMV as a NAS. Docker, kubernetes, add on applications etc. I run in Proxmox. I don't need or want that stuff running in my NAS. I agree with most/all of your critiques of OMV. BUT, I have to say I keep coming back to OMV because TrueNAS is my nemesis. For whatever reason, I cannot get NFS on TrueNAS to play nice with K3S or Nextcloud running in a VM (but storing its user data on an NFS share in my NAS). I can make K3S and Nextcloud work perfectly fine with Synology, Terramaster, and OMV, but not TrueNAS. In TrueNAS I set up permissions for my shares and I when I come back to the UI, the permissions have changed. WTF? I really, really want to love TrueNAS Scale, but sadly, no. I will give HexOS a try, and I will give Houston a try. Maybe one of those can unseat OMV as my NAS virtualization software.
thanks for this update om OMV
I don't feel so bad now in failing to get everything running on my Pi4
Useful video as always - thanks for that... I think your criticism of the UX is warranted; even if the product only aspires to be something on a Raspberry Pi, it's still not that great. It looks like it's been designed by a developer as a programming exercise - which is a shame because there are a few other projects that do a lot of the same things but better.
My experience has been mixed. OMV is mostly ok as an 'install and forget about it' NAS application without too much overhead. Does what I need it to do pretty reliably. That said, I'll never try using it for containerization again. I had a power blip that caused an unexpected outage. At the time OMV 5 with Docker and Portainer, and I had a few hosted containers running in the OMV instance because I thought it made sense. The unexpected outage broke everything -real- bad, and I'm still to this day something of a linux noob. Between poor documentation, me not knowing what I had to do to fix it, and a tangled mess of BS that looked like turning a couple of toddlers loose in your network closet to rerun all the drops, it was a problem. Got it sorted eventually, but that one instance proved to me that's just a 'we also do this, but not that well' function on their resume.
That could happened with any NAS software if you don't have an UPS.
there is podman for containers as default, not docker 😉
Ew
I use it since version 3, main issu is the samba transferts are slow. For the rest it does what i want.
I used OMV 5.0 as my first NAS on an old Dell PowerEdge tower - file transfers were slow as hell. Then OMV 6 came out with docker removed and replaced with their own container manager. It was a mess and pain in butt to work. I ended up ditching it and getting a Synology for my main NAS and another mini server which I installed Debian along with Cockpit and 45 Drives file server and user access plugins, and Dockge container manager that I strictly use for handbrake. They both work great. Much better than OMV ever did.
Just a basic Ubuntu server with samba and docker would EVEN be better than OMV. As it isn’t such a confused and convoluted mess.
What's a better alternative? (for a beginner with little knowledge)
Unraid
Dang, the sarcasm is strong in this one. If we didnt see your hands every now and then, I'd swear you were wearing gloves just to type on this system lol. And the "My test of ONE of these apps proves that they all work perfectly..." love it!
Thanks for this, I Guess I'll stick with TrueNas and Synology then!
Rockstor seems better at pretty much everything. It's easier to add and remove disks to/from a pool, handle disks with existing partitions and deal with full disk encryption.
But it's not 100% free.
@Robert65536 it actually is. They even explain why there is a paid for version.
@@bufordmaddogtannen You can be their beta tester or you need to pay for the stable branch.
@@Robert65536. Just use the "unstable", which still works perfectly fine.
@@Robert65536 the beta works perfectly fine. No "need" to pay unless you want to.
Just installed this today and yeah its really basic but does what i need it todo - backup my other server with rsync. Would hate to use it for anything more
I started out using OMV on a Raspberry Pi 4. The only way I could figure out how to do that at the time was to install OMV on top of Raspbian. This caused all sorts of username issues and every time the system restarted, I'd have to SSH in and change passwords and fix it. The whole system was not very intuitive, but it did work for me for about a year before I gave up on it. I thought about trying it again for a backup system, but realized Portainer would be a chore to install, so I decided against it.
If you're using it as a home consumer and dont like having your hand held; then no, its not for you. For my first NAS on pi its certainly a learning curve. But im enjoying it so far.
OMV is my first NAS OS, the fact that your getting slightly annoyed by OMV makes me wonder if I'm normal 😅. My build is a bit on the cheap side but had to go with SSD (power consumption, noise and physical size) with different drive sizes so I can utilize MergerFS, I know, not a good choice but it's just for media that I'm not afraid to lose. Docker sucks in this thing
Opensource can do a lot of things you want, but also totally suck.
Commercial software can do a lot of things you want, but also totally suck.
100% agree. It just feels clunky to use
I used version 6 and really liked it, (two years?) but installed a new setup on 7, and ended up dumping OMV and just doing a Ubuntu share of a 10 TB hard drive. OMV was frustrating, for instance, Upload files to the share, it works, then the files permission changed and I am not able to do anything with the saved files...
It feels like you came into this already not liking OMV.
For this thing being supposed to be a NAS os there are A LOT of somewhat not very handheld steps to do in order to create a very core thing for a NAS! This feels like this NAS wants to give off the impression that every new homelaber is handheld but in reality easy things (at least they should be easy for a NAS) are unnecessary complicated by way too much different steps!
Does OMV support Legacy Bios which is G41 motherboard with dual core processor 2gb DDR3 Ram.
I have turned OMV iso through balena etcher but not booting in to nas OS. Any fix plz.
One of my OMV7 systems, mainly used as a backup location, is a Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L mobo with a Core Duo E7500 CPU and 4gb DDR2 RAM.
You should be ok though some Legacy Bios's can be 'quirky' regarding the option to choose to boot from a USB drive.
Try using Rufus instead of Etcher to re-flash your USB drive with the following settings: "Partition scheme as MBR" , "Target system BIOS or UEFI" and under "Volume" set "File system FAT32 (Default)"
A short version of my comment that I made If you want simple media sharing use your router If you have a Wi-Fi 6 router or an up you should have no problem doing it shouldn't be an issue I just bought a router for about 150 bucks I only wanted 1 gigabit connections because I'm doing a lot of custom stuff remodeling all that The whole thing of it is the router will do a lot better than this which has not changed also the router flat out told me hey you just made a folder I see it but you haven't assigned any users that are able to access this very easy to do they even have a wizard isn't that nice hell you can take routers and flash them with Linux distributions and you'll find out you can even get more nast features most modern routers like Wi-Fi 6 will have FTP and all the other stuff you pretty much need which is great if it's a small home network nothing too crazy you'll get all your videos and everything cuz I've done it and I've used a Roku of all devices and we know how those things can get very picky and if that can work then it's the option I'm going with
How to access the shared folder (SMB or NFS) from outside home network?
Set up a VPN connection back into your home network/subnet and access your share from there.
@@RaidOwl Thanks for quick reply
I have tried Cloudflare tunnel with a domain I own, I am able to open OMV web ui from the domain but not able to access shared folder even though i have enaled nfs smb share.
I am kind of noob for network related stuff
Your constant snark doesn't inform - it just annoys me. I can't say I've actually learned anything from your videos, so I unsubscribed. Bye.
Who are you?
You complain too much about something that's free.
thanks for watching!
The honesty is refreshing. Thank you for showing everyone how unintuitive the nas functions of OMV is. Most people have never explored unraid or truenas and so don’t know that it doesn’t have to be this way and this isn’t the norm
UI isn't insanely good. But I tend to do the setup and I don't have to fiddle around with it after that for multiple years. Not everyone has TrueNAS or Unraid needed hardware.
I'm using OMV for docker apps and VMs but I must say docker on this OS SUCKS... That's why I'm using portainer to manage my docker apps. And yeaaaah setup is not easy... With every iteration it's a bit easier...
Dark Mode for life! 😎🤘
This was a great way to let me know that when i put together a real NAS I can cross this off the list. Fun watching him struggle bus on this one haha.
This video needs a "surely" counter.
I have seen some of your other videos which were great, but I'm sorry, but I couldn't watch this video all the way though, you were so pissed off about something it was uncomfortable to watch and I had to turn it off.
Lol
Its nice project, but truenas is still to go OS.
agreed
This video reminds me that OMV is still a point-and-click nightmare. An exercise in not how to do GUIs.
Connection lost...
Tldr ovm still sucks if you are used to the likes of truenas unraid etc
You started negatvely and ended the same so...what is your problem?! So what is a good NAS os in your opinion...
I have used it for years and it has got better...
So you like running your mouth off so prey tell us what is best...??? What is something that isn't light weight?!
TrueNAS
Ok your opinion...still doesn't explain why you felt the need to slag off Openmediavault...you were negative from start to finish...not a good review...for all the bells and whistles TrueNAS does the same...and not better NAS Network Attached Storage...Openmediavault does a good job of offering a sound NAS web interface if you want people to follow your videos try being constructive instead of mr doom and gloom...I don't personally like TrueNAS...but don't feel the need to slag it off to make a review.
@@martynpage4823 cool
@@RaidOwl One more thing people doing comparisons should do is look into the behind the scenes of these different NAS solutions...TrueNAS is a huge company with many employees working on the project while OMV has basically the developer and one other doing all the work TrueNAS is not really aimed at the home user where OMV is....this sort of information gives the viewer watching perspective......😀
@@RaidOwl Dude, enough with the childish replies. When someone disagrees with you don't take it personally.
honestly after watching your walkthrough i probably would just prefer to install debian & do everything from the command line. What does OMV really add? A crappy UI or maybe if you REALLY want a UI use CasaOS.
Hester Tunnel
Casa OS is better for a non critical system
But Casa OS is not a full OS. Try Zima OS.
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Create disk... bla bla bla... I have already done that...
Waste of time watching this crap
Thanks for the comment!
Openmediavault sucks. I tried it some years ago and it was unreliable. Sudden crashes and disappeared disks let me switch to another thing. My small solution was Debian with cockpit which works really fine and reliable. That's what I want from a NAS it should just work. Yesterday I wanted to try a newer version of openmediavault and installed it. Copied all my data onto my disks and after some reboots OMV can't find my disks anymore 😂
Thats like years ago. The system sucks. Truenas seems to be better at first sight but it has slightly more system requirements like RAM. So my small setup only has around 40 GB RAM for all my vms and container and I think running truenas with 8 GB will work but it will be it's at lower end. Should I deal with it anyway?
Pretty crazy that people would use this when Unraid exists
$$$
@@RaidOwl I mean, yeah but the cost is negligible, and Unraid destroys it in pretty much every aspect.
I use omv over truenas and unraid for a really basic reason. Truenas and unraid don’t support sleep, why they do not, no idea.
@@vollhorst140 because servers should always be on
@@vollhorst140 unraid supports sleep via plugin