I Bought A New Car From A Dealer And It's Not A Toyota (Here's Why)
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- I Bought A New Car From A Dealer And It's Not A Toyota (Here's Why)
My name is Brandon and I am a used car dealer. I created Car Questions Answered to share the ins and outs of the used car market from my perspective. I share with you updates on car prices, what's happening at the dealer auctions, and what it's like being a dealer. My goal is to share information to help you make the best decisions while buying a car to save you money. I do not want car dealers taking advantage of you.
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Bought a new 22 Pro. The A/C would whistle around 35mph. They had to remove the complete dash for the repair. During the repair the dealer never had fender covers on and the tech scratched the fender down to the metal and they had to repaint it twice and it still wasnt right. Every oil changed they never filled the washer or checked my air filter. When I showed the managers no body cared. Toyota isnt what it use to be. I just sold it last week with only 11k on the clock. Looking at other brands.
Stay out of stealerships and buy used....you will not become wealthy turning over new vehicles. Did you figure out how much it cost you to trade out of a vehicle with 11k on it? My guess is you are still upside down if you financed it and now the hole gets deeper. Welcome to the land of broke americans staying in debt on vehicles for a lifetime.
I wouldnt get anything done at a dealership unless it was required under warranty work.
If Im there more than 15 to 20 minutes, Im out the door.
Why dont you just take her to the auction?
So true👍
i made the mistake of watching this video for more than 15-20 minutes. could have been said in 5 minutes.
@johnweiland9389 agreed SOOO muchh!! Within 15 mins, I'm walking up to the desk and being likee.. what's going on!? I been here 15 mins, all I asked was for yall to print out an out the door paper...! I have stuff to do places to bee! Also if a place says u gotta go on a wait list then mustt pay mark ups!! After u just waited 2-3 weeks for the damn car imma laugh in they faceless and b GONEEE!!
@@EMA-uk5ob It's true what they say about the reduced attention span of computer generations. No nuance for you.
Tesla has the best sales experience. They don't negotiate; the price is the price and you have very limited options. However you know what you are going to get and they don't make you wait for hours for a sales person. They update the software every few months and add features at no charge. If you don't want electric don't buy one but the sales experience is head and shoulders above any other dealer. The cars come pretty much standard and about the only options are paint and wheels. If you like paying out the wazoo for gasoline then buy a gas car and pay about $1800 to $2000 a year for gasoline. We bought our Tesla model Y LR June 13th 2023. As of today June 4th 2024 we have driven the car 14,193 miles and have spent so far as of today $573 dollars on electricity. The car has averaged the equivalent of 133 MPG as of today over the last year. The cost to operate the car is 0.04037 cents per mile for the last year. No oil changes and basically no maintenance on the car at all. After rebate and trade in I paid about $43K for the car last June, that's about the same or less than an ICE vehicle with no yearly maintenance cost.
I feel your pain. I've had a love hate relationship with Toyota (and Honda) dating back almost 50 years. Because their vehicles are in demand, they really don't think they have to go out of their way to please customers. If you don't buy their cars, somebody else will. I was actually thrown out of the dealership in Arlington, VA after I complained about them not delivering my tags for over 60 days. When I asked if they could issue a dual title with my name and the dealership on it so I could register the vehicle myself (back in the 90s that was a thing), the woman screamed at me and tossed me out of her office. There was another incident when I was serving in the Military. In 1980, I walked in with my re-enlistment bonus looking to purchase a 79 Celica. No dealer would even talk to me. Here I am with 13 grand burning a hole in my pocket and every dealer in the place just walked right past me. I would buy a Toyota from a private party without hesitation but I will never step into another Toyota dealership. Same goes for Honda.
Wow.. Reminds me when I was fresh out of college. I was looking for my first new car. I went to a Ford Dealership, and they wouldn't talk to me, because I only had an Offer Letter.. I ended up getting financing with Pontiac (!) on a Firebird Formula, just down the road.
As a former Dealer . I don't understand ever buying a new vehicle. So many vehicles at the auction. Some coming off lease. New cars always lose you a lot of money. That is a fact.
Exactly. This guy has his choice to hand-pick a great used car; why is he buying new to begin with?
@nwsvndr Probably because he has to much RUclips money and needs a tax deduction.
Me neither, it gets you to the store...? How much money to you need to pay NOT to ride the bus...? Life is about %, not $.
Well as is the case now used vehicles with low mileage come out to the same out the door as a new model of the same year or later .Example I was looking at a 2023 Accord with 5k miles it’s 30k out the door and across the street you have the same new model for 30k OTD with a warranty .Its not like it used to be at all and these pricks aren’t dropping prices
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I was planning to buy a new Tundra, but changed my mind due to quality issues. I ended up buying a 24 Chevy HD2500 ZR2 with a 6.6 V8. Great truck, no regrets. Bye Toyota.
How much?
I changed my mind when they quit making the 5.7 V8
From the little research that I’ve done, Toyota chose to switch to turbos and not the emissions mandates. They chose to get them incentives to maximize profits I guess? Sucks when you have to deal with this new system for the lifespan of the vehicle.
Had a 2016 tundra for eight years and zero issues. Now? Not a chance I would even consider a tundra. Sad
@@Aw3someOpZ , it had to do with ever stricter CAFE standards. Government demands vehicles get ever better gas mileage even if consumers don't want it.
I ordered a burger meal at the drive thru window. The menu said it came with large onion rings. I don't stomach them. I asked to substitute the more expensive large onion rings for small size fries. I was asked to wait. The floor manager told me to drive ahead to the parking lot and wait, the manager would calculate the higher price. I said I'll pay full price, I just want fries instead. An hour later, with no meal, I went home to a frozen pizza.
I love Toyota but the drop in performance engines for turbo BS will make me think twice about getting one.
The turbo's are a stop gap to comply with emissions. They expect everyone to go out and buy new cars before the 10 years are up for compliance.
According to Scotty Kilmer, one should only purchase a Toyota or Honda made in Japan.
People are still listening to this old clown?
Wrong answer, Toyota HQ just got raided by the Japanese Ministry of Transportation for lying and cheating their data record. They are really going from bad to worse.
i watched the entire video and brandon never said what he bought instead of a sienna. why the tease? not good. just clickbait at this point
He never does what you're claiming. Look at it again the whole title is about what it took for him to buy something different than a Toyota.... Not that he would say what brand it is.
Honda Odyssey
Kia Carnival
Buggati
@@wgterry73ifyWeak.
Turbos are hard on engines and wear them out much faster. Avoid all turbos.
Turbos make diesels drivable.
We have a 1999 Mercedes Benz E300D turbo diesel, runs well. 275k.
Never engine issues.
Got a 2013 Buick Regal TType, 300k on it and still going. Do your maintenance
The thing about Mercedes and even Ford eco boost turbos is they have been doing it for a while. Ford f150 and other models with turbos boost have decent performance and reliability mix. Easy to get 200-300k miles
I wanted to buy a CR-V recently but they are turbo-only, so no Honda for me.
Toyota lost me this year (after 20 years of driving them) when they eliminated the V6 for the Tacoma and the V8 for the Tundra. I haul firewood and a boat frequently, and need a dependable truck I know can handle it.
He probably bought an Odyssey. No markups, no massive price increases and can be had below suggested retail price.
You know he did, could buy a Chrysler. 👍👍👍
A buddy of mine is wanting an entry level Tacoma, it's the 2 door extended cab with no frills. He ordered one and they told him 5 to 6 months. When he asked why, he was told the base models don't make as much for Toyota as the upper levels do. He's looking at other options.
Nissan Frontier is the truck he is looking for.
Note that the new extended cab is like the annoying ones from the '80s with no access doors. You just end up with a pile of dusty semi-accessible crap back there, you can't put a kennel for a dog on one side, or conveniently access a cooler.
I have a Tacoma with the Access Cab (2005-2023 have the short suicide doors).
I would hate being forced to get a 4 Door that I don't want, but I wouldn't get the Extended Cab. It's a PITA and there's a good reason they didn't make them that way for 20 years.
It feels to me like Toyota figured that they could build stuff people don't really want, jack up the price, and still sell just as many trucks. They appear to be learning otherwise.
@@user-xh2yg4uv9q I mentioned that to him. I think it's one of his options.
@@barrydworak He wants it for the longer bed. Personally, I agree with you, but his moola.
@@subiesojourner777 oh that's right. Until recently, Toyota let you get a 6 foot bed with a 4 door. The truck was a little long for my taste, but a young woman I knew showed me one like that. She had a degree in design, was good at DIY, and had built out so she could sleep in the back comfortably, hang clothes, store her stuff all in a regular shell, and still have a 4-adult car. She even let a friend crash in it on a trip with her, though they were both small women.
But now, I think you're stuck with the 5 foot bed if you get the 4 door. The Access Cab was ideal if you didn't want a really long wheelbase. Why they quit offering that, I'm not sure.
I think Nissan made a huge mistake with dumping the Titian. They could be hitting Toyota hard with that V8 that most truck guys want. If they would do a comeback campaign and show off that V8, it would be a guaranteed hit.
Ridiculous! Just say which car you bought. You are complaining about Toyota dealership not giving you the price. You are doing the equivalent in the youtube world. Just state the name of the car you bought and you can tell us the details of the negotiation later.
Toyotas r a joke. Teslas r way better option😂😂😂
Honda Odyssey
You want a different video than the topic of this one.
@@653j521 I want him to talk about evs. He is buying a tesla
Do you know how RUclips works?🤦♂
I don't pay any attention to people who talk about how "underpowered" a particular vehicle is. I test drive it to see if it feels OK to me. I believe people who focus on that are stop light drag racers and anything less that burning rubber is "underpowered".
One anecdote: My daughter has a hybrid Camry and I don't consider that underpowered in any way. If you put your foot down hard on the go pedal, it goes, very well!
Especially a van. This is literally propaganda given the failure to use anything but a reader comment to make a statement as a supposed professional.
But, my Toyota Previa is a supercharged 4 cyl van with surprising power.
My friends 08 sienna can smoke the tires. I'd never own something that don't have decent power to get me out of a situation.
I keep hearing fanboys hating on my naturally aspirated 3rd gen Tacoma, V6. It's not smooth like butter but the driving is fine and she is amazing off-roading. I don't need to go 70mph in logging road. It would be nice to have a diesel hilux they make abroad but thsi engine is solid and folks have crossed the 300k miles on this V6. Slow and steady wins the race.
Silly me, as a first time viewer I assumed he would share what he bought. Learned my lesson.
He gave you the topic and you didn't believe him.
Power should not be a problem with a Toyota hybrid. When you need it, the electric motor teams up with the ice engine to provide the needed power. The Prius is actually a pretty hot little car when you floor it. They actually have a governor on them.
I've been a mechanic for over 35 years and Toyotas aren't as great as everyone makes them out to be. The mid 2000s 2.4 was a oil burner. The V-6s were a good engine but do tend to coke/sludge up a little.
A 20 min video not telling us what other vehicle he bought instead the video is him complaining about a dealer wasting his time not telling him what he wants to know. Pot - kettle. I don't disagree with the idea ...but this video is the definition of "irony"
so what did he buy I could not take anymore....
@@Chips2323 ya this video annoyed me and I unsubscribed
When I bought my Lucerne in 2022, the salesman discounted it about 5½-6% due to a broken door handle and trunk latch (I got them fixed for less than the discount). I did try to get a little more off but nothing doing.
I also heard about one guy in middle Tennessee who kept running into "Market Adjustments" on Corollas. He finally found a dealer in Colorado who would sell at MSRP. So he booked a one-way flight to Colorado and drove his new Corolla back to Tennessee.
Mountain states Toyota will sell at MSRP or below
@@SLHJR0390 I think this was in 2021, when almost all new car dealers had no new inventory. At the time,most/all Nashville-area Toyota dealers were charging $5-6k MA's for new Corollas.
@@kennethross786 they are one of the ones around here that will discount and not mark up. I havent seen the usual suspects of the TRD PROs, and speciality units marked up in the last two years from them. We wound up going with them after a month of going back and forth via email and text. Got a good deal where everyone else around here wanted MSRP or above for all sorts of crazy reasons.
I appreciate your content brother. Last year around this time I negotiated a car deal a few thousand under bluebook on a used 2020 Ford explorer. I did this negotiation from Japan to a dealership in Ohio and had it delivered to house. I was moving into in Maryland the day after I moved in. It can absolutely be done and I never set 1 ft inside a dealership.
I own a Prius and it has the power to merge with traffic. When you read reviews you look at all the reviews. This bad review could be from a person that drives a V8 pickup and it will feel low powered. A Tesla owner may say a Ford F150 truck has no acceleration. It's all relative to what you drive now.
In my opinion you should NEVER EVER pay junk fees or market adjustments. Let the vehicles rot on the lot.
The only reason markups exist is because of stupid people.
I have purchased many vehicles over 40 years from dealers in my hometown which is 300 miles from where I live. They ask me what dealers where I live will give me for the car I trade, then they always, always, always substantially beat the lowest price I can get from dealers here in the city. That's trust.
Thanks for being transparent. I’m a lil anxious when it comes to new car purchases. I take real good care of the cars I own just so I don’t have to put up w/dealership BS. Negotiating is not one of my strong points. With that said, Wifey wants a new Cadillac this yr. This helps me out a lot man. I am not patient so I pay more money out the door, rather than chip teeth w/those guys. Day wasted!! I rather work over time in the heat of the day with no break than deal w/them Suckas. Real Talk!! I’ve learned a lot watching your channel. You’re Cool Man keep up the good work.
We are a Toyota family that just traded one in and bought two new suburus. Toyota is now suffering in quality, can’t manage their inventory and prices are too high. They are losing customers. We won’t replace those cars for 7-8 years. Wife is looking at a Mazda and Suburu too.
Subaru of America is terrible. They won’t be there for you when you have problems. Worst customer service of all of them. Their cars don’t last, don’t hold their value, and the maintenance is expensive.
Subaru will be good until they hit 100-150k. Be careful of blown head gasket.
@@AnhH88 Subaru of America will not be there for the customer. You can forget it. Like I said, they’ll give you a 500 dollar coupon off toward a new Subaru and maybe a 500 dollar Subaru loyalty bonus towards that purchase. They will not take care of you at all.
Thanks for your update on the big 3
And this is why I’ll save for a few years and buy from an individual. I’d rather go back and forth with an individual and be done with it in basically minutes rather than hrs and still get nowhere
Congratulations! Looking forward to viewing next video.
We visited a local Toyota dealer Friday looking at hybrid Rav4 or Cross. The sales man was polite seemingly honest, very helpful. He provided detailed answers to our questions and best of all no games. Saturday the phone started ringing. My wife got a voice mail no name number did not match the sales man. Then got three more calls. Each one a different sales person last one being a sales manager basically asking when we will buy. WTF! What happened to the first guy? Four cold calls in one day. Toyota have some class this is abuse.
I was loyal to Toyota. This time I bought a new Chevy Malibu RS for 22k. Corolla and Camry are hard to find and are jacked up over sticker. Just saying
Malibu for 22k.... you're way smarter than the average bear. Congrats! Didn't know Chevy still made them. Like the Cruze and other mainline smaller models from GM they're a smart buy.
Now I realize this was a few years back, but Toyota used to offer a Toyota Friends and Family deals at some local California dealerships. I bought a 2016 New Toyota 4Runner for $2000.00 of the MSRP. Which of course I loved! If the dealer's weren't so greedy these days they'd certainly bring in more buyer's with incentives like that. And oh yeah I still have the 4Runner today. Your dealings with that specific dealership certainly reminds me of some other run in's I've had over the year's. I hope you and your wife get a good deal somewhere else.
I gave up on Toyota. I'm looking Mazda CX5 or CX9 used, but EVERY dealer all try and do the add-ons and I immediately walk out when they show me that crap.
Got to echopark if available in your location. Sure they will push their crap but you are not required to get it. Just properly vet and inspect the car.
I got a 4Runner from there and added 40k miles on 2 years without issue. Sold it cause I got tired of filling up the rig every three days lol
Not in the rural area I live in. Never the add ons. They might pull that crap in the large city which is 60 miles from me.
Plus the CX-5 is 0% interest for 36 months
We love minivans we settled on a 2019 Dodge Grand caravan 28k miles got it for $18,500... Screw paying over 40 grand for a minivan
Dude also you tried to buy the most coveted car that is in the market as well. What did you think was going to happen? Here in Canada they are telling people 2 year waiting for one of the Seienna.
We just bought a 2024 Chevy Silverado customer Trail Boss Z71. They were asking for $56, 000 plus a few more in markups after about 2 hours of negotiation. We got them down all the way to 48,000 after taxes. So before taxes it was about $44 to 45,000.
My husband and I have only owned 2 cars in the 21 years we been married. I am horrible at car lots. I lose my temper and just walk out. I am a point A to point B type person. So we don’t buy cars because I can’t handle all the BS at car dealers. our last mini van we paid cash and I refused to pay more than we had back in 2012!
Got a 23 Charger scat pack started at 58k and there was 11k off between dodge and the dealer. Turned it down. But I waited until the last day of the month after memorial day and got another 5k off to close the deal. I knew from car edge there was a big incentive from dodge to the dealers for 23s and they were motivated to sell. And i know from experience salesmen are always more ready to deal when thier sales month closes. After my trade and equity I had in my trade I was out the door for 29,245.00. All over the phone and drove 5 hours to pick it up. There are deals out there you just gotta work for them.
I just picked up a 2024 Kia Sorento X-line SX Prestige for over 6% off MSRP & avoided all the fake fees & dealer add-ons they try to throw at you. Researching the estimated dealer invoice, age in the market, special manufacturer & dealer deal offers help a lot in negotiating a better deal.
:) THANKS MUCH for sharing! You are spot on1 toyota has shot themselves in the foot and higher! NO MORE Brand loyalty at all! They don;t deserve it at ALL. ESPECIALLY with the Sienna, I too wanted, BUT, not on a wait list, mediocre power, AND not able to remove middle row seats! Looking forward to finding out what you DID buy for sure! ALL the BEST and Cheers ! ! !
I have a 2024 Corolla SE hybrid. I've put 6000 miles on it. I promise you there is zero problem getting the hybrid to speed and high end interstate speed. Been driving it all over the Chicago area and to Michigan.
Perfect!!
I have to agree with you on dealer practices, from sales to service. I just got a new Subaru, which was mostly painless... but even they tried to charge $250 for window etching (not even the vin, just some 800 number that people are supposed to call). As soon as I questioned it, they knocked it off the price. In the service department, the soft upsell is sure to get many people suckered in to un-needed service... "you should get the $150 fuel system service" which is a $10 bottle of Techron. You need to know enough to ask some questions... most will give you straight answers if you ask, but most people are either uninformed, or "shy".
I rent sienna hybrid 3 weeks ago for 600 miles trip. I can tall you, it has lots of power. If you want to buy it, rent it first and you will see.
Excellent advice!
When my 2016 tundra was totaled, I never even considered a new style tundra because there were too many things I didn't like about it, the main reason being the lack of a V8. I ended up buying a 2023 Tacoma and like it so far.
I bought a new car too. Of course, I’m not going to tell anyone what it is…
GREAT POST! Thanks for speaking the truth. Wilmington NC Toyota has 4k of add ons on their Camry and will not take them off the did reduce the price off MSRP but would not take the add ons off. I took what would have been my down payment ($4,700) and went today and bought a 2004 Avalon garage keep with only 96k miles the classic little old ladies car. Thanks Toyota of Wilmington from keeping me from making a 28k dollar mistake.
Years ago I bought a 2002 Avalon with 204,000 miles and my husband thought I was nuts! We had it for years and when I traded it it had almost 300,000 miles. (I really should have kept it but my husband persuaded me it was getting too old!). I traded for a 2013 Avalon. In my opinion the 2013 isn't the same quality as the 2002. I have had to fix many things on the 2013 and the only thing I did to my 2002 was oil changes, tires, and brake pads. You will love it!! Blessings!
@@kwhite7344 Thank you Kwhite!
My husband has always loved Toyotas. But the service department at our local dealer did us wrong. My husband sent me (a gray haired old lady) to bring the car in to get the seatbelt fixed. When we made the appointment my husband told them that the seatbelt buckle needed to be replaced because our son with autism jammed a small toy in it and when trying to pry it out cracked the plastic and the spring came out. When I went to bring the car in they told me that they needed to determine the problem and sent me to the waiting room. An hour and half later, they said it would be over $500.00 for the seatbelt buckle and that I would have to come back because they would have to order the part. He also told me that there was only one seat belt buckle available and so I shouldn't delay so he could order it. He also told me that my car battery was shot and that I needed to replace it ASAP and they could do it for $349.00 today. I told him that we had not had any problems with starting and I would go home and discuss it with my husband and get back to them. The car started right up and the next day we drove the car to a different independent mechanic who tested the battery and said there was absolutely no problem with the battery and he replaced the seatbelt buckle for around $200.00.
I then called the service manager at Toyota to let them know that I no longer trust them and that I would no longer be bringing my cars to them. He half-heartedly apologized but tried to tell me that the mechanic must have ran my battery down and that one of their battery chargers they have had problems with. Anyway, my husband just bought his first Subaru, made in Japan, and so far loves it. Blessings!
They need to make a Sienna Prime.
I had to have an AWD Minivan and the Sienna was it! I also researched the most dependable years and went with a 2013. I was also able to pay cash for a low mileage van. My other option was a Highlander and didn't like trying to see over the hood!
I bought my last two vehicles only by email for negotiating and used phone for final call for coordination. I am in Texas, I bought my CT200h from a large multibrand dealer in Massachusetts and then my Toyota Tacoma from a Kia dealer in San Antonio. Flew to each place to deliver the check, test drive/inspect, and take delivery.
I will never work with a dealership that says I have to come in to negotiate.
Hi Brandon, I looked at the internet pricing including calculating my trading but when I got there they beat the amount off listed in the add and gave me more for my trading than there site calculated. It was great deal I feel. This was on a Kia sportage hybrid which are selling very quickly here in Pittsburgh area. Just FYI for those looking fo buy.
I drove a year old Camry as a rental car about 10 days ago. The hood shook like my previous 2011. Beyond that, the handling was honestly scary at higher speeds. I’m thankful I didn’t lose control of the car going over bumps on the freeway. My 2011 was definitely better.
I work at an auto auction driving all cars all day… got in a Lexus LX600 (1,700 miles) & the power window was broken… couldn’t believe it!!! Just mind blowing on a near 100k vehicle from Toyota- amazing vehicle, don’t get me wrong… just super surprised to see something like that broken already…. Surely it’ll be under warranty- but still
No one merges on the highway on a exit ramp. Most of the time you do make sense. Speed limit fifty five on the frontage road. On a exit ramp I downshift to a lower gear or occasionally hit the brakes. I don't drive automatic transmission vehicles because I like to have more control of my vehicles.
We ended up doing a lease at my wife's dealership. Gave us a hell of a discount overall and got us an extremely high quality vehicle for under a toyota pricing lol. No hate getting a new car, there are options and avenues that are available to ppl now that weren't available a few months ago.
Your wife has a dealership and you're bragging about getting a discount? Hmmm...
@@nwsvndr She works at one, yes. We definitely took advantage of the opportunity as well.
With your adventure to bay a new car, dealers wonder why consumers are frustrated and consider car max. I have bought one SUV ( in 2010) and attempted to bay another last year. finally found a 2023 Santa Fa, still had a non negations point on two add ONS. Thanks for your stories!! I keep watching even though I am out of the Car market.
Recently bought a 2024 Rav4 Adventure. I wouldn't buy anything with turbo on the Tundra or Tacoma right now until they get all the kinks worked out.
We were looking at buying a Corolla hatch at the beginning of the year. Found that Toyota was only allocating a few (total) of these cars every few months to dealerships in our area, so we'd have to jockey in line and then wait for months for delivery (and no choice about color etc). So we looked around and found Mazda hatch (made in Japan, regular automatic tranny vs CVT on the corolla). The Mazda hatch comes with more bells & whistles compared to the corolla. It's a beautiful ride. I worry that Toyota is going down the same route as Honda (lowering quality).
Careful what you buy, we know some of these manufactors are in trouble. However I am sure they will be bailed out for mismanagement and union petions. I refuse to buy from a manufactor that has been bailed out.
I was going to buy a RAV4. But the Toyota dealer did not have on. So I purchased a Mazda CX-5 plus.
They don't have any here where I live either.
I had a look at the Crown last time I was at the dealership. I got in all of the seats and was disappointed in headroom and legroom. I used to have an Avalon and those old ones had a lot of space. I checked the specs and the space is the same as the Camry. So I'm curious as to the target market for the Crown. I just want a Camry LE in the lot.
As a hybrid owner you don't buy a hybrid for power you buy it for mileage. My 2019 Honda Insight gives me 52mpg everyday and when traveling I get 63mpg and power living in the mountains of east Tennessee isn't a problem!
Agree, Tommy's videos are very addicting. It's a shame the industry (car dealers) have made buying cars so difficult. Don't they realize they are LOSING sales as people just don't want to deal with it. We did order a highly sought after car in the height of the Covid crisis. Got it at MSRP, was not my local dealer who had $15,000 in markup. Yet the last step of the process, the finance guy tried every trick in the book to get us to suck into add ons. My answer to everything "I'm not interested, please move on." I must have repeated that EXACT line 25 times. He'd parrot back: "Why are you not interested." My answer remained the same "I'm not interested, please move on." I wasn't there to make a friend. I was there to pick up a car I bought on the internet.
Im a toyota fanboy as well still have one been driving them for 20 years. Its bad up here in Vancouver Canada. We were in the market for a rav 4 hybrid. They told us its 2 year wait list withba deposit and the used model was going for 5k over a new model. So we test drove some other cars and cx5 was the clear winner plenty in stock to test and negotiate.
It depends on the dealership. I don’t own a car dealership and can get stats on the car and not have to wait. I did that with both Toyota and a Lexus.
Hi Brandon. About a month ago I went to a Jeep dealer. After 3.5 hours i left with a 39-month Lease on a 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve. 17 days later I get a voicemail from the dealership saying I need to come in to re-sign some paperwork(not sure what that meant exactly). I went in the next day and sat down with the Finance person who did my deal. Apparently the deal did not go through, something about LTV being too high. We had to remove an Extended Warranty that I included in the deal. I told them that I thought the "10-day Rule" applied and they have to honor the deal. I was told by a 2nd, more senior, Finance person that it doesn't matter and that the deal is considered Final when the bank signs off on it. I told him that he was wrong but I really didn't care to take up that fight. I just wanted to close the deal on the Jeep. So the net result was we took out the Extended Warranty and they actually gave me an even better monthly price prior to adding the Extended Warranty. Probably cause they didn't want to take the Jeep back after 17 days and probably knew the "10-day" rule does apply. Curious what your thoughts are on this situation. Thanks, love the videos. Brian from Las Vegas. :)
You are right about Toyota add ons. I just bought a 2024 Corolla hybrid. I had to pay for all the add ons which I didn't want. But they gave me $2400 for my trade in which was a totalled car. And I got $400 for being a student. And I got 4.99% for 72 months.
You were able to sell a Toyota dealer a totaled car? Wow. I hope they are just selling at auction for parts.
72 months! 6 years! Please don’t tell me you are a finance or accounting student.
I have a 2012 AWD sienna with about 155k miles we really like it. In about 3 or 4 years I’m replacing it with a 2 or 3 yr old Honda pilot because I don’t want a 4 cylinder hybrid
EV's have MOTORS, Trucks have ENGINES. lol
Just goes to show cash is King and loyalty means nothing not only for Toyota to the returning customer but for yourself as brand loyal.
Cost as a percentage of MSRP is also a terrible way to pick anything. That's why so many stores jack up prices so they can give a pretty discount to people who think that has any relationship to value at all.
Just watched an episode of Delivrd. I prefer CarEdge's style of negotiating. Worked for us.
New top trim RAV4's were hard to come by last year and the used ones were still overpriced...but eventually another suv caught my eye's... I decided to go with the Forester Wilderness after researching both vehicles.
I'm looking for a sienna to and I agree that the new model is weak for towing. Would you consider to buy 2022 v6 Siena? 2021?
Don't buy the V6 2021-22 Sienna. Because if you do, it's for sure had an engine swap.
@nwsvndr I didn't find a bad review on the v6, so I usually tow a vw bug so I think it would be better for me a v6 rather than a hybrid
@@CesarFlores-il6di they stopped offering the V6 in 2020, was my point. Sorry for not simply just pointing that out directly. If you want the V6, you have to buy 2020 or earlier models. They increased the power slightly in 2017 (and replaced the 6-speed with the 8-speed transmission , so look into the 2017-2020 models - or 2011-2016 with the 6-speed because the 8-spd reportedly "hunts" a bit, although it's not a major problem).
@@nwsvndr thank you for sure 2020 it is
Own a 2013 Sienna Limited, great truck no Hybrid crap, loaded with 3 people and all our stuff back and forth to Fla. from The God-forsaken-frozen-wasteland of MI. we get 25 MPG (real world) and travels perfectly with plenty of power. Great truck.
What happened to the grey F150 you bought?
Negotiation is a skill many don't have. I sure don't. Couldn't get a discount on a used vehicle or numbers over the phone, they just want to run your credit. Still got the vehicle tho because I have looking for this type of car for a while. Drove out of town for it, took it that day also cuz I don't have time to come back for it. I really needed a vehicle.
Absolutely even if you're not one to speed you need power for safety reasons to be able to get on a freeway or pass efficiently. Underpowered, turbo engines are not going to last.
My daughter and her husbaand bought a 2024 Highlander 6,000 under MSRP. They did have a trade and some cash so I am sure they made the money up in their trade.
Mazda all the way!! No Toyotas for me
I have bought 4 new Toyotas since 1991. Each time, the cost of a new vehicle was equal to a 2 year old used vehicles. Looking at the math, the cost per year was the same or better with new. Tacomas are nearly $10,000 more than a Nissan Frontier. Depreciation is not a factor because I will use it up. I use trucks and cars gently nowadays.
You are speaking all wrong don't start talking about 10% off MSRP we went in at below invoice and near holdback in negotiations with Toyota and Honda. I know the power of the Sienna kept you at msrp, we had a sienna they arent all that great. We got both prices at below invoice and settled on the Honda. What we did is use sams club, costco, and also contacted internet dealers online. We narrowed prices dramactically. They were calling my fake phone number and email address like crazy for new price deals for a month.
That being said we have a honda and toyota dealer near us that basically will do anything to sell a car. How about $1500 off a no hassle price. Listen we have dealers who can't believe what the price we just got last week. They say we are lying, we are not, some dealers have 15 employees some have 95 employees working in a single day. Who is going to be able to deal in that situation? Overhead at certain dealers means they can't drop prices. So if people are getting crappy deals go online and get quotes first. See which dealers you can ignore right from the start. Also the dealers we went to half had no option cars, half had zero cars without options. That is just the way some dealers are. find out the ones to avoid. I have purchased new cars and one dealer wouldnt move $300 off the final price, I went with same offer to another dealer and deal made. next day dealer who wouldnt move $300 more on price called to see if I would go in to buy said no bought last night at another dealer. Actually got better tires on the cheaper deal so even better.
Just did this on an outgoing 2024 4Runner purchase , 2700 below MSRP
Taking a step back….and he’s back in four days! 😂😂😂😂😂
Electric motors have more torque… you should get better performance over a regular. Unless Toyota undersized the electric motor.
Research doesn't mean reading comments. That can point you in the right direction or give you a warning to look into something but alone its less than worthless.
I'm not buying ANY new vehicle now. Looking for older car to rebuild. My 2017 Ford Edge motor croaked at only 70K miles. Cracked cylinder. I'd rather pay a premium for a 60s car with a great body and rebuild it front to back. I bought a 2003 Ram 2500 crew that needed a rebuilt rear end. I got it cheap, motor and transmission was great. Had the rear end rebuilt and the transfer case rebuilt. Cost 3K. Truck has run perfect since then for 25k miles for a fraction of what new would've cost.
My neighbor traded his 2022 Sienna in for a 2024 Chrysler Pacifica non-hybrid. I don't know what happened, but he told me he would never buy another Toyota.
Great information but sure wish I knew what you ended up buying
You got a honda mini van good 👍🏻 job 😊
We love our 2022 Sienna XLE. The power is not a big issue for me, it dose take a little longer to get to speed but not much difference than the V6. We drive a lot so saving money on gas has been a game changer. For me the trade for MPG from power was well worth it. The van gets us to where we want to go and I love that it pretty much drives its self with the radar cruise control. I do not have any significant complaints after driving 40k miles. The buying process was frustrating so I get it. We found ours at a great deal but it was a labor intensive process just to find one that we could actually buy.
I'm interested in knowing more about your used Tesla venture.
I agree. There has been too much going on and, a lot of their vehicles are now 1st Gen which WILL have issues. just wait a year or two for them to get settled
I was planning on getting a toyota but because they are keeping inventory artificially low on purpose trying to keep the prices jacked up I'm going with a different brand. Im still waiting on a massive correction... it will come as long as everyone refuses to pay these ridiculous prices! Most new cars should be 15k to 40k max!!
Thanks for the video, I was looking for a new Sienna... good video (Toyota fan boy)
Wouldn’t buy a Toyota after 2015. It’s problem after problem, too many recalls. The quality of their vehicles coming out of the factories are being made with cheap materials.
I brought a 24 CRV Sport-L back January I'm not playing those stupid games with the dealership. I manage to get 4% off MSRP, without any add-ons only thing I paid for was nitrogen filled tires for about $35 they were trying to get $90 out of me no sir you tired.
I know what you got ! It was one of those 2022 new Ram trucks and a camper shell !
The Lexus rx350 with the 4 cylinder turbo engine is apparently also having some issues according to complaints online
I knew any vehicles made during the pandemic were going to have problems, sadly even Toyota. My first shock was how bad the Tundra did in collisions tests. Very poor. I was looking at one, but not now.