Why You Should use Schluter Ditra on Your Tile Job
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- Опубликовано: 16 фев 2024
- Today I'm installing Schluter Ditra Membrane over my subfloor in the bathroom. This is a very useful and effective product for protecting your tile against cracks and waterproofing your bathroom. Cheers! Watch the entire project 👉🏼 • Soaker Tub Renovation ...
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"your gonna get an amazing bond" with the rubber float, and an amazing ab workout which I think we all need LOL. Nice work sir, I learned alot!
Glad I have him to help this green horn home builder I lived in shitty round down apts with slum lords sucking everyone money and not fixing anything so I saved and saved bought a trailer am rebuilding the whole thing drywall is hard I have no one helping either my mom is so proud of me am 53 had many surgeries in pain like nobody would want to feel and a part time job remember always fight for what you want and never give up or say I can’t do that cuz am doing it and sober that’s the kicker good luck to everyone be your own hero 😎😎😎
What a gem of a video! Thanks Jeff!
As always thanks for the awesome info!!! Keep it coming.
As a GC I always put down Ram board down after the subfloor is installed because of the damage of all the trades coming on site. Now you know of one person that protects the subfloor.
What kind of damage are you referring to?
Gotta love that Ram Board
Same
@@ThatDIYguy403 globs of drywall compound, paint, caulk, Spray foam. Everything. It costs more in time to clean all that than to put down ram board and take it back off
@@ThatDIYguy403hot sauce
Thanks for sharing your work.
My pleasure!
This video couldn't have come out at a better time! I started demo of my bathroom floor today and already have my ditra bought and ready for install. Thanks Jeff!
Maybe someone should tell him that stuff comes with peel and stick adhesive lol
Love your videos! Keep up the good work.
Thank you! Cheers!
Got your ab workout for the day!
Hand as a compass. Brilliant!
Pro move at 25:38 You made it look so smooth I barely noticed it, then had to go back to double check what you did!
3:51 "You got to be able to use your brain a little bit" 🤣 That is why I love your videos! Great sense of humor.
Glad you enjoy it! Cheers!
Great video Jeff. You saved me on the build of my buddies basement in Virginia a few years back when I was tiling around 1,000 sqft. That was exhausting, and took about 18 days to complete. But man, felt like a tile maniac after that. About to restart my renovation in Japan after many distractions. My bathroom is terrifying and at the moment is still just a hole in the ground after the demolition. I will be back for help on how to attack that. Cheers! Scott from Japan
I love Ditra!
After struggling with mixing thinset on bathroom number 1, almost burning out my drill, I invested in the Ridgid 7135 mixer last year and switched to using All-set most of the time. It have variable speed, soft start, has an effective auger on it, and gives dual handles to easily control.
24:26 I have been known to use a Marble Rolling Pin.. easy to adjust the pressure as needed. Use the float for the edges and corners.
15:00 I perform occupational exposure sampling for many substances, including silica and respirable dust, and yeah I 100% agree that you are definitely not hitting your exposure limit with a few of those mixes. After sampling some gravel pits where dust is mostly from traffic, way more of a hazard from a dusty road for sure.
I love your videos Jeff, you've talked me through some great remodel projects already. Extremely timely video for me as I'm working on my kitchen floor. Do you put Kerdi Band or something similar on the seams for waterproofing?
Jeff, as usual, you are the go to man for DIY. If I see another video that says something differeent, I always come back to "how would Jeff do that?".
What about the use of Kerdi Band along the perimeter to finish this off (if one is concerned about solid waterproofing of the floor)? I was hoping to see/hear your advise to retain the 1/4" expansion gap with using the band.
Awesome video. Learned so much and new techniques. Thank you. 🏆🏆🤗🤗
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video! Thank you for posting! 😊
Our pleasure! Cheers!
Used this stuff for the floor in front of my fireplace, nice to work with. Eventually will do our master bathroom floor with it as well.
Love the videos. He's just like every DYIer but more knowledge
That’s because he is (or was) a contractor
I was installing this stuff back in '05... Loved the product! Nice job
Nice Bro.....I Like yours Knowledgeable videos.....❤
Thank you so much 😀
"you dont need clean water, you just need wet water" love it!
Would love to see you do a wet-room style bath. I want a simple-to-manage bathroom with very few barriers, and super easy maintenance. This means a floor so that if the toilet or sink overflows, or a pipe bursts,, the overflow goes towards the drain.
Great idea!
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I KNOW, lol.
Would you only use this on plywood or also on concrete?
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I have seen it done on a wood base, but only before and after.
@@rebrokersabrina You can use it on both. First time tiling, and my first time using ditra in the bathroom instead of cement board. Its so easy to cut and lay to fit. Yeah it might be more expensive then cement board, but hey, its WATERPROOF form the get-go, which is ideal for BR! Getting the thinset measurement right is probably the only challenge you will have.
Hello, I haven't seen a video on a basement remodel using any of your drain/ insulation systems for a ceramic tile floor as the finished floor. Did I miss it? Is there a reason if none exist? Thanks for all your efforts to inform people on how things are done!
Hey Jeff, your channel is the best one on RUclips! Off this video topic but wondering if you’ll do a video for lally columns in basement? My first floor is sagging in the center and I’m looking to install 3 lally columns in a 20’ section. Wondering about jacking the house up “close” to level then installing permanent columns.
Please more links to every single item he uses! It is very helpful!
Great feedback. Thank you!
READ the instructions for mixing your thin set !!! .. Mix for 3 minutes, let set for 5, then , mix another minute .. Makes it spread so much better.
I can't stop watching these.
That's a good problem 😅
Asking for clarity and to double check :D
This ditra board goes directly on top of the subfloor correct?
Hey Jeff, can you use this on OSB particle board?
My recommendation is if you find you are doing a lot of tile get a dedicated tile mixer so you don’t burn out a drill!
definitely steven. I am working in Florida and trying to keep my tool purchases down to a minimum. Once I get back to Ottawa I will definitely be using my pro tools again. Cheers!
6:02 "Close as possible to perfect, that is perfect" 👈👍 100% true.
Jeff, do you have a video on how to build a shower pan for tile floor? My shower size is 7’6”x 4’ with a linear drain at the front of the shower. This will be my first time to build a shower “pan.” Thanks!
As usual great video. Question: I'm thinking of re-tiling bathroom floors, we have concrete floor underneath so would you still use the Schluter Ditra Membrane on top of the concrete? Would the benefit simply be to prevent the concrete from sucking out the moisture of the tile thinset too fast or what? Thanks In Advance! Always appreciate the effort you go through to educate people.
Thanks for another great video. I always learn so much watching you work! I'm about to do this to my bathroom and wanted to ask...would it help to use a primer (maybe SBR?) on the ply before installing the Ditra membrane? Thanks again!
using a multi surface bonding primer is a great way to get a great bond to Osb. I highly recommend it as a great way to protect yourself from delamination which can occur if your thinset is too dry when applying. the primer effectually makes the install almost idiot proof. Cheers!
Dragging the mud diagonally is sometimes better at filling cracks. I find it easier to grout tile that way.
Fantastic tutorial!
QUESTION….Can the Schluter membrane be applied over self leveling compound?
yes, always on top of the self leveling. not approved to pour self leveling onto ditra
yes, it is now. they have changed the recommendation in the last couple years now that it has been thoroughly tested. If you are using ditra heat you can also pour leveller on top if finishing with vinyl plank but never if finishing with tile.
Hi Jeff - would you also put Ditra down for a kitchen tile job?
One reason I would use a paintable/trowelable crack membrane (Redguard) instead of this is the addition of the height of the floor. If you can just get away with a slightly angled t-molding, this might raise your floor too high.
What drill do you recommend for DIY-ers to mix thinset?
Great video, as someone who has never done this before this video is very informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Cheers!
Great timing, we are going to get our basement renovated and was just looking into this product. Do you recommend using this over concrete on a basement floor bathroom (house was built 2020). Looking forward to the next video!
In my opinion it should be considered necessary! basement floors will crack and this membrane will protect against translation and cracking your tile.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Great, thanks for the reply. Makes sense, and this is not not very expensive material wise for small areas!
I have wood floor glued to cement. Should I tear up the floor or just tile on top of it? Do you seal the seams and transitions with the schluter kerdi strips? Is that necessary?
Jeff should you let it slag? How important is that and getting the water amount correct?
I’ve been weighing the powder and measuring water to mix up small amounts lol
I’m on my second bathroom in my house and it takes me all day to do something like this it seems
What about priming the plywood?
would this allow for in-floor heating elements?
Can you spread the extra thinset on top, even if you plan on not tiling until the next day?
Hey Jeff, does that bathroom sit against an outside wall? Asking for a friend
now i now why they made the ditra that sticks down... Jeff, what is your opinion of that?
I've read that the sub floor needs to be pressure treated exterior plywood. Did you use that? Also,was the sub floor sealed with a primer? I chose this product because it a was only a few dollars more than the treated 1/2" plywood sheet I would have used. That would have made the tiles a little higher than the adjacent hardwood. The lower profile with a floor leveller should maintain the height
Jeff
Great Videos
Can you give me the name of that knife please
I searched I can’t find it on Amazon
Thank you
Olfa knife
Awesome video, Jeff. Love the details of using Schluter's product. Can I use the same process with a cement basement bathroom floor as it is very level? It was only poured 4 yrs ago (new home in Niagara Region). Or should I install plywood first with Tapcon screws. Carpeting at the door threshold so I want the height to be as similar as possible.
no worries. direct bond to the concrete is perfect. Cheers!
happy to hear that. My OCD says thank you lol
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But I can't find the membership code in order to post in the forum. Can I get some guidance?
Do you need this on a cement floor, like in a basement? I have tile entries directly to the concrete with no issues... but that is a smaller area than a bathroom.
Can this stuff be applied over 23/32 OSB subfloor with 16in joists in a remodel job? Im assuming the original vinyl would have to be removed? Or is cement board better for remodel?
yes remove the vinyl and make sure the osb is screwed down. You can always check out the website for the product...they have installation assembly options listed there for different builds and materials. Cheers!
Hey Jeff. Off topic question for a new DIYer if you or someone else can help I'd appreciate it. Trying to build an IBC tote stand (4ft off ground) for water pressure to gravity feed my garden. Those totes are pretty heavy (2330 lbs full of water). I want to build this securely and properly without any chance of sheering screws or anything of that nature. Looking at building this with some 4 x 4's and some other materials as I have heard 4×4 posts can support at least 4,300 lbs. So having those as my foundation seems ideal. Though I don't know wtf I'm doing. Help?
Do you think that would work on an OSB wall to prepare for backsplash??
this product is not designed for wall applications. if you have osb as a wall right now then simply use a Multi Surface Bonding Primer and then you are ready to tile. Cheers!
Question: if I use regular modified thinset to set the ditra to plywood, can I use the same modified thinset to fill in the top of the ditra squares. Then the next day use the All Set to lay the tile?
Doesn’t sound like a good idea to me. IMHO the point is to fill the Ditra and bond the tile at the same time with the same thinset. His recommendation to use Schluter All Set is perfect as it works for adherence to the plywood and the tile to the Ditra!
you cannot use modified thinset to fill the ditra. it will not bond. and your tile install will be weak and fail from deflection. Cheers! not worth buying a bag of modified since you use so little of it anyway for setting the membrane.
Like the Bob Ross of DIY
hello jeff
If your plywood floor is fully screwed and rigid, what is the mode of tile failure this backing is protecting against? I can see it being sensible, I'm just not clear on exactly why.
Thoughts on the Ditra peel-and-stick? I watched a video that showed it was pretty tough (hard to remove) if you cleaned the floor properly.
The whole premise of the material is to get a good bond on the surface so if it does move, the cloth material can stretch or break. It's not actually the tile that moves if it does
I will stick with the original. Much easier to remove and rebuild from thinset!
Strange question. I’m looking at this product to raise the height of the tile to the height of my hardwood flooring that I am putting in the kitchen. I know this is expensive, but would it do the trick or is there something else? I’m installing over a cement foundation. I am great a DIY stuff, but not an expert at tile enough to add the extra height. Even with this 3mm added height, I still have to build us slightly.
Jeff, our son bought a house built in 1970. We have replaced the bathtub and installed concrete board, waterproofing membrane. All thru information and tips gleaned from your videos. Tile floor is next. There was tile on the floor. We have removed a few and there is concrete under the tile. Would you give as some advice on how to clean and prep the concrete prior to Ditra? Very much appreciated for any insight. Thank you
If there's concrete you don't need schluter. If the tiles are still good, just put your new tiles over the old tiles
I agree you don't need ditra. However, I would remove the tile. Then, follow the process to make sure the floor is flat ie. using self-leveling cement.
Probably fine without the ditra but remember concrete sweats so best to still use it even if your slab doesn't have cracks. I used some for my fireplace floor tiles because they would sweat if the ground is cold and fire going. Eventually that breaks down the thinset bond
1970n was before building code so there are many varieties of concrete under tile. if it was a 2" pour then it all must be removed and then build back from there. if it is a thinner pour it might also have metal lathe in it. in that case remove back to subfloor. and then screw down and prep for ditra. to be completely sure join the membership and send me a photo on our forum. I can advise from there. Cheers!
HELP I have removed the vinyl flooring in my current bathroom, which was only stapled by floor vent, and it's bare wood. It's a manufactured home and I'm working around existing sink bassinet and new walk in tub. Should I still cover exposed wood with this membrane process before tiling?
Did you have to add plywood onto the subfloor?
Hi there, I am replacing my tile baseboard in my bathroom, I will be cutting 9” all around my bathroom so much easier to take off that way and save time, when putting back the new drywall do I have to crack fill or put the new tile over the drywall?
if the tile is going to be cut the same height then simply screw the drywall on and tile away. Cheers! the use of caulking the plastic edging on the tile to the drywall will guarantee no cracks will form.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY ok thanks for your help…
If im doing vertical ship lap on the walls should i install tile first or shiplap? how to i finish the corner at the floor where they meet?
always do floors last and use a piece of trim to close it up. Cheers!
15:00 Right. People don't go outside when there is "smoke coming from a forest fire in Mexico", but have no problem driving on a highway for 50 minutes a day.
Hay thanks for tips you are sharing with us
I'm a professional painter in Morocco, is there a way To obtain a work contract in America
And If I come to America, can I get a job easily?
Would Ditra be used on a concrete floor?
cost/sqft value vs longevity comparison of different brand uncoupling membranes tho?
hard to compare, most of the knockoffs do not do any testing and simply market their product as comparable.
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Literally was thinking, “Jeff is mixing that concrete just like I mix my pancake batter.” Proceeds to tell me to think of mixing concrete like mixing pancake batter 👀
Its a good thing you wrote it out. Thougt he meant " concrete makes my pancakes better 😂
Best to use a pump sprayer
Where are you sourcing it from? Its so expensive from HD but Ive heard there are other channels you can get it for a lot less.
I buy mine from a tile supplier where I have my contractor discount and get a better deal. the cost is not a real concern. having a tile job fail is a much bigger problem. For me the ditra membrane is now part of all my assemblies.
Thanks for the reply! Agree it's better to be safe than sorry. Will you be going to IBS in Vegas?
Can somebody tell me the benefits of using ditra vs cement board for floor tile? Genuinely curious!!!
Ditra is an uncoupler material with an added benefit of providing some waterproofing. Cement board is not an uncoupler, so it is possible as the floor shifts or expands and contracts, tile or grout may crack. Ditra allows the subflooring to do its thing and the tile is left unscathed.
Is the PRIMARY use of that membrane simply to prevent tiles from cracking? or is there more to it? Built our home 20 years ago without this and not 1 cracked tile in kitchen, bathrooms, and front entrance - so trying to understand why I would 'invest' in this when redoing my floors. Thank you.
this replaces the need for a second layer of osb on wood floors before doing a direct bond install. it also prevents delamination that occurs during extreme weather events when the power goes out making the install a 50 year floor instead of one that will fail under certain conditions.
as a complete DIY beginner. I can see why you do this for washroom for waterproofing. However, what is the advantage of doing this for rest of the house ?
It's a separation membrane. Keeps any defects in subfloor transferring to tile ..
Why not run the membrane a little under the shower curb to eliminate the non waterproofed crevice as a weak point between them?
that is why we use the kerdi band tape to waterproof that joint
As a homeowner, I can conform that I would 1000% spend $300 on a one-time use contractor tool.
What is the purpose of the membrane? Does is protect the floor from Water? Or is it to protect the tile from breaking?
it does 4 main things. waterproofing, ands structure to reduce deflection, and provides a uncoupling system to protect tile from cracking due to expansion and contraction that occurs on direct bonding installations, it also acts as a crack isolation system so when installed on concrete if the concrete cracks that crack will not translate into the tile as well.
Hey I have been working with my father renovating bathroom but we never use this stuff. Main reason is the material is way to expensive and doubles the client cost. We use hardy board (cement board) for the shower and for the shower floor I see him put a mortar mix then a grey plastic follow by another layer of cement mix. Sorry I crude info I’m only now learning the trade as a 2 month apprentice. Is my dad doing things wrong or just an old way of waterproofing a shower?
Your dads making money
that style is perfectly acceptable according to building code. It also is a very low cost option to get a decent result. This product will out perform cement board since cement board is a direct bond installation process and does not provide protection from expansion and contraction like a membrane will. however if your working in a market that is looking for value vs longevity then his system is fine. Cheers!
Do I need to use this over a concrete floor?
I also have the same question.
Yes, definitely. all cracks in concrete are isolated and will not transfer into the tile when you use this product. Cheers!
Thanks for your help. Really appreciate it.@@HomeRenoVisionDIY
Cheers!
Another great video Jeff! I’m in the middle of my bathroom renovation. Using the wedi system. Question for you:
I want to mitre my outside corners but not sure if I can just use grout or if I need to use epoxy. And if I do need to use epoxy, any specific one you recommend?
Also, I’ve seen you remove MANY toilets throughout your videos and the awkward positioning that your son has to take. You must try liquid lock if you haven’t yet!
I would suggest that for anyone using a shower system that relies 100% on adhesive to seal that epoxy grout is a necessity. Cheers!
Nothing bonds like durock and screws
that system is still a direct bond system and does not protect the tile from delaminating during extreme weather. this product does.
Yeah.. i would definitely use my 2 20lbs weights on a mop handle. 😅
I threw old carboard over my subfloor when doing drywall. What's so difficult about that. They also sell rolls of thick brown paper...
site protection is definitely something to consider. Cheers! but I still recommend wetting the osb before applying the thinset or use a multi surface bonding primer.
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You're supposed to mix the mortar then let it sit for 10 min and the remix before using it. *Very important*
Is this product worth the extra time and expense?
definitely yes. it has so many advantages compared to direct bond installs. once you factor in the cost of a second layer of plywood compared to traditional installs you are almost breaking even. remember you don't need to have 2 layers of subfloor when using this.
I have (*had* I should say) the exact same drill.
It was a great hammer drill for the price, but mixing a full bag of mortar will let the smoke out, lol.
So for anyone who doesnt want to spend the money on a dedicated mixer, this works in a pinch but dont get carried away.
definitely mix small batches. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY some lessons you learn the hard way
我不明白他铺这层胶的作用，防水吗？不能，因为切孔时造成的缝隙已经无法防水
Ahh, so if you use the float correctly, you get a nice bathroom and six pack abs... niiice!
Pretty much! working hard is always a workout. Cheers! I guess I should be doing more flooring!
Seriously, though, I greatly enjoy and appreciate your work here. I'm a habitual cheapskate, DIY'er, and training to become a remodeling subcontractor/handyman, and have learned a lot from this channel.
Ok, now it’s official, I HATE YOU!! 😁 For the life of me, I could NOT draw that circle. I could even not cut the « orange thing » straight, even if the lines are there…. Wow! You are good!
I swear he said in one of his videos that if someone installs the subfloor before they do the other stuff to fire the contractors… maybe I was mistaken but still kinda funny
Not gonna buy the roller cart, but I was thinking I'll turn one of my table saw roller stand upside down, load a bag of thinset on it and roll with that.