I get that the point was to make something terrible. But, somehow, making something terrible to be terrible ended up just being terrible and I hate it. At the very least now we can't say To Boldly Flee is the worst movie ever because holy shit that was bad.
Yesterday, I watched an old video of Todd in the Shadow with Lindsay Ellis and they made a gag about being forced to be in a movie because of contractual obligation. When you know the whole story, that joke become kinda tragic
Ok but does anybody know where you can find any Nostalgia Chick videos, most of the specific ones i want to watch, Lindsay has scorched from the earth. Edit: Nevermind. There's a channel called Vintage Chez Lindsay. It's got most of the Nostalgia Chick instalments on there.
@@nxgan1088 oh also she deleted some more recent videos which I found on Yahoo's video service One of my favorites being her food video collab food of yore with mara wilson
i get “the way to make a good movie is to make a shitty movie” but no one goes out of their way to intentionally make a shit movie. tommy wiseau honestly thought the room was a dramatic masterpiece. the guy who made manos made it to prove that he could make a horror movie. and they’re both incredibly terrible but they are beloved because they aimed high and we’re fascinated with the crash landing. to boldly flee didn’t even get off the ground.
Exactly. A bad movie that is trying to be bad and knows it's trying to be bad could never have the same kind of lasting impact that a movie that's bad but trying to be good does. The experience of watching a movie that ends up being terrible, but is made with utter un-self-conscious sincerity in the material is what can lead to something unique and special, and those are the ones that are remembered.
Plus good movies literally do have genuine staying power due to how good they are. The Room came out in 2003. How many people remember that movie better than Kill Bill or Pirates of the Caribbean or Lost in Translation? Manos came out in 1966, and you can't seriously say that more people remember it over The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
I noticed a while ago that Doug's joke in all these movies is that he's an insane monster of a boss and everyone hates working for him. Guess it makes sense in hindsight.
I am always stunned when he pulls out a clip from years ago pretty much showing that he actually has planned out the entire Quinton cinematic universe already.
This was my introduction to Quinton channel, and I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway. He did a great job giving context to new viewers. But after the bee movie "gag" and the monolog in the first iCarly ideo explaining similar things it doesn't surprise me at all. I'm so sure this was a thing way way back and he was like "this is gonna be so great, I'm gonna set up all this stuff and just shoot it down. It's gonna be amazing." And it was.
The worst part is in his original appearance, back in the actual Battlefield Earth review, they did exactly that. They just couldn't be arsed to do the joke again here.
And the funniest thing about Phelous' acting? Dude has done a entire live-action series about him parodying Mortal Kombat! He has the most amount of experience in this, and he KNOWS. He KNOWS how bad TBF is.
Same with the special effects. I heard that he did most of the special effects in the movie because he was also skilled with that and while some of the effects look okay for a amateur movie, others look like he just gave up halfway through and if he did give up, I don't blame him one bit.
The teeth-brushing thing is almost certainly a reference to Superman Returns (2006). When Lois Lane sneaks aboard Luthor's yacht, Lex enters the scene in almost exactly the same way, and delivers his line "Lois Lane?" in a similarly bewildered tone.
At least now we know that it was Doug and Rob holding everyone back. The creators who left Channel Awesome did an anniversary audio drama exploring a Lovecraftian story and its pretty fricking amazing storywise.
Yep. And Linkara actually did well as a project runner. Like, obviously, it being an audio drama, he didn't have to worry about lots of the issues Doug did, but also, like, one major bit of criticism Doug got was about how he wrote every character like himself, especially since he hadn't even watched most of their content, and insisted they read the lines the way he would. Meanwhile, Lewis actually watched several episodes of everyone's work to get a general feel for their style, and also allowed them to improvise and come up with their own lines if they thought they had something better. I think one specific example was when Diamanda Hagan noted that a line he had written for her contradicted something from her show, and he immediately agreed to allow something different, rather then pulling Doug's whole "oh well, no one will notice" shtick. This is also the reason the AT4W movie is way more enjoyable then TBF, despite being, objectively, not really much better written: Because it at least feels like the people making it wanted to be there.
i'm going to defend the toothbrush thing cause i have adhd and absolutely walk around the house while brushing my teeth because just standing still in the bathroom does not spark joy. also sometimes i wake up in the middle of the day shut up you're not my mom
i have adhd and a very hard time brushing my teeth, but i tried walking around my house to do it and it was SO much easier! thank you for the unintended suggestion.
I had been a fan of Brad's for years, i liked him more than NC but that moment made me unsub and never look [back]. like jesus fucking christ what a shitty thing to say. and before that there were rumors of him and his ...group of people... harassing Lupa after the google doc dropped. He's a shit "friend" if he ever were really one and not just pretending. iirc she moved somewhat closed to him years ago and he just.. .shit on her and Phelan and everyone else.
That line seems more like a joke. Brad had nothing to do with any of the issues at CA, he's just a content creator, he has nothing to do with management decisions. And he never harassed Lupa or Phelan
@@princesstamika Theyre not rumors. Lupa has mentioned many times that Brad and his people pulled shitty things to them. I think one time was trying to frame Lupa and Phelan for something as well as harass them. What's more insidious was that they used their dead relative to get more pity points and make Lupa more of the bad guy even if Lupa and Phelan werent doing anything.
I hope I misheard that. Speaking of 'Moulin Rogue,' Doug was probably the only one proud of that review, which may have been all that mattered to him. I have heard that he's a bit of a control freak...!
I stopped watching him after The Wall Review. I'm a huge prog fan and The Wall is my favorite album and one of my favorite movies. This review made me sick. Also, the other reviews since 2015 are almost all of them stupid.
15:30, Doug didn't even get the ending of Battlefield Earth right. The planet didn't explode because the atmosphere was flammable. It exploded because the atmosphere was reactive to gamma radiation from the warhead they sent through the teleporter. That's still stupid on the movie's part, but it's stated clearly in the movie and it goes to show Doug doesn't really know what he's talking about when he criticizes movies.
Actually you're wrong the atmosphere does blow up because it was flammable.... The chain reaction was caused by the bomb! But we've detonated bombs here on Earth and didn't have that therefore the atmosphere being flammable played a big part in that bomb exploding the atmosphere. You should probably give that movie another watch yourself.
@@mrwednesdaynight I refuse to believe that people irrationally yelling at pieces of media could ever say or do anything wrong! They definitely know what they're yelling about..... Right?
Being unintentionally self-revealing is one of the very few things Doug excels at. He's remarkably good at playing himself, and I dont mean in the acting sense.
I think that you can. Enjoy someone’s entertainment with out enforcing people I enjoy Nestalgia critic and cinema snob as well as the anim Reina kenchin which was made by a bad person. Or High-school dxd Issca Heyoto who the voice actor did awful things
I have an inkling, having scrolled through the comments. Please, oh please, let it be Johnmas-heavy. I both get and respect the “lore movie/Doug Walker” spiel there at the end, but I’ve been hoping for the return of Johnmas for many a moon and this looks like the last chance for it. EDIT: 48:06 - F*** YEAH!
I get it though. I was one of the few ProJared fans before everything came out (specifically his D&D stream with Holly) and I still have nightmares about him that's just me yelling at him.
@@frogglen6350 He still put the show in jeopardy by sleeping around. It was obvious from multiple screenshots (from Holly and Jared themselves) that Heidi didn't want the two together. If he wanted to divorce her, fine. If she redacted her consent to the open relationship and Jared stopped, I would see an argument for her overreacting, but the facts is that he tried keeping it a secret instead. Yeah it's their personal lives but I have a right to not support him or holly for it.
Ya know, on a very basic level, having to go save their friend because they're trapped in "the plot hole" is a funny idea, could even be clever. And then Doug Walker proves that he's got good ideas and no idea how to execute them. What's I think is even more sad, is the fact that he's actually way better doing things like his editorials. Yeah I didn't always agree but the man could make good points.
I agree. Using a space anomaly called a plot hole as a plot device that affects reality is a pretty good idea. Too bad he completely botched the execution.
I feel the same way about how one of the lines in the Doug Meets the Critic scene is actually surprisingly poignant: "You're the writer! Tell me what to do!" "You're the character! Tell me what to write!" Like, anyone that has done tabletop RPGs knows how that is: if you have fully fleshed out your character, that's how it feels to write that character: you feel almost like you're observing and transcribing the actions of said character. It no longer feels like you're just making them ride the railroad from story beat to story beat, you're watching them consider their options and willingly heading down the path made of story beats. Yet, when Doug does it, it comes across as "God. Look how hard and important it is to be a writer."
I always preferred his essays over his (at the time) contemporaneous “reviews” because he was not only good at making semi-educated and concise points but he was also _sincere_ in his essays. His brand of “sarcastic” “parody” never felt genuine to me and muddied his own points when he would eventually get to actually discussing the films near the end. I’d argue sincerity itself is the sincerest form of praise. Being straight to the point and enthusiastic about what you’re talking about (with maybe the occasional joke) works much better with my autism, but I don’t think autism should be the only reason to make clear points.
Doug Walker once said that his favorite character in Daria was Jane Lane and he said he wanted to be like her but he was more closer to being like Upchuck, that creep who keeps saying “feisty” all the time. This doesn’t surprise me honestly.
I can’t believe I’m coming to Mr. Walker’s defense, but I think wishing you were more Jane and less Upchuck is pretty relatable. Ideally you’d make some progress with it, eventually, but that’s the Daria in me talking.
I love how Quinton makes a lore movie that's even MORE crudely made than To Boldly Flee on purpose, and somehow it's far better than anything Doug Walker ever made.
@Hans Hanzo I haven't even seen all of Quinton's videos, and already his lore movie makes more sense than To Boldly Flee... or any of Doug's lore movies for that matter.
It helps that he actually explains the lore for those of us not really familiar with his older work (the only stuff I’ve really seen from that era is the Fairly OddParents movies).
That's what gets me about the AVGN movie and NC movies why are they three hours long? Lord of the Rings is 3 hours long do they have even the 10,000th the story ? Theres a reason the old Laurel and Hardy pictures are 30 minutes long. Name me just 1 good comedy move that longer than 100 mins ? At a stretch they should be 75 minutes maybe 85 if they add an elaborate title sequence and bloopers in the credit.
You know underneath the shit I think there is a good movie concept there, cause there are two interesting ideas: -A character meeting their writer -A plot hole being a physical anomaly If the critic was well written and everything was less heavy-handed it could be a satisfying cynical comedy ending in redemptive self sacrifice. Maybe someone should make a parody of this movie with the joke being that it's good, and since it's a parody they can take all the characters and concepts under fair use.
The title of the film is a mistake on the part of Doug where he didn’t understand a plot point in Star Trek V which I think perfectly represents Doug Walker
Deigo Quixotwry The part where he complains about why no other ship went to meet God even though it was explained the planet was surrounded by an energy field which although could be passed through was made to have people fear it strongly so they would never attempt it
@@brendanmccabe8373 Yeah, IIRC the only reason they were doing it in the first place is because the Vulcan terrorist guy (Spock's brother or something, IIRC?) basically kidnapped them and forced them to. How does *Star Trek V* actually make more sense than Doug's movie?
"I watch Channel Awesome when I was a kid". Dude, the channel's not even 15 yet. It's so weird to me, a person in my 30s, to think about how "when I was a kid" was only like 8 years ago for some adults.
As a child, one perceives time as much more slow and grand, but as an adult, you start to slow down, making it seem as though time is moving more quickly. I'm a millenial who was born in the early 2000's, and I perceive the 90s as having happened eons ago, but my dad remembers it like it was just yesterday
Indeed, even with all the shitshow before that I still liked Brad but now he really showed his colors by still being associated with such a rotten group.
SammEater Brad had built up a very likable persona. The type of person he presented himself to be back then was actually a really big influence on me. He threw it all away (along with many of his own friends) when given the choice to either keep making money with Doug or continue to feint any illusion of being a decent human being.
Honestly, Scott the woz has really mastered the “lore movie” genre. Enough jokes to stand on its own but supported even more by its call backs. Doug just threw his RUclips friends in front of a green screen and called it a day.
Scott the Woz's works are really a masterpiece. Borderline forever has got to be the single best youtube special I have ever had the joy of seeing. The amount of jokes they manage to land perfectly while calling back to their character traits are amazing. I am truly in awe with Scott's brand of humor.
"And on the pedestal, these words appear: 'I'm the Nostalgia Critic I remember it so you don't have to'..... Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
@@bassistwithadeathwish7277 Or you played Civ IV. It was one of the tech quotes in that game, said by the late Leonard Nimoy. It's where I learned the quote personally.
I feel like there's an elephant in the room. Channel Awesome style reviews weren't really reviews, they were basically just abridged versions of the movies in questions so you didn't have to wait through the bad/boring parts of a movie to see the funny parts. The reviewer themself was basically just a talking head to summarize the parts they skipped. Often this basically just cribs on some well known thing's success/fame/infamy (The Room, anything people are actually nostalgic about), but sometimes this is still worthwhile, with stuff that is actually unwatchable. I tried to actually watch "Yor: The Hunter from the Future" once, it gets awkward fast, I just started feeling sorry for the actors.
Phos9 definitely a thing born from a time when nobody knew what the fuck we were doing. I think the weirdest thing of all looking back is that the format never got better. That he had so much money to improve the content but it never got better.
In a roundabout way he does. The main defense to his production quality I hear is that its meant to look awkward and imcomplete, that it somehow adds to the humour or charm like in the Room. In reality of course it comes across as someone whose too lazy to improve his craft.
But the room has actual production values. And Tommy set out to make a Gone with the Wind or Requium for a Dream. If you set out to make a cult classic you set out to make a bad movie ultimately. Can you actually name me a single so bad it's good that was intended to be like that? Of course not the Room Troll 2 Jaws 3D ect where all meant to be unironically good.
The only enjoyment I pulled from those old NC movies was the feeling of watching people I enjoyed having fun making a movie together. Then you learn that none of them had any fun so... yeah. There is nothing positive I can say about them now.
I can't stand Nostalgia Critic's screaming any more. However, Doug Walker doing his serious bits with this patronizing, whiny and stupidly sentimental style is infinitely worse.
I remember there was a time when I was kind of impacted by it, but even then there was usually something about it that felt forced. Nowadays, knowing how indifferent he seems to have been to the actual wellbeing of people, it really sits horribly with me.
On a side, ex-fans have been calling Brad "Bradakin" because he's basically gone to the dark side and has gone full Vader. Again, he hates being called Bradakin, so that just makes them wanna do it more
haha, wow! It's super weird watching a video and suddenly an old Dumb Words ep shows up. My mom was a camera operator for a good ten years, but eventually moved to be the lead grip on various productions as well as a regular lead grip for coverage on the SXSW music festival, among a few other things. She's extremely experienced in what it takes to put together and manage a group of filmmakers, she does it every year when SXSW rolls around, so she def knows when someone's doing something wrong. Also Doug brushing his teeth has been a mystery for me since I first watched TBF and I'm glad I'm not the only person bothered by it
Maybe it's an attempt at cinematic shorthand: you know it's his home, because he feels comfortable enough there to brush his teeth in the living room. On that level, I thought it was fairly effective.
Interestingly, James made the opposite of a lore movie. Instead of building upon years of AVGN lore, his movie had a completely new story line, new characters and so forth. In part due to this, it was a pretty bad movie, though still leagues above anything Walker ever made.
If I remember correctly, Rolfe got his education in film, and it's been something he's been doing since he was a child. It helps explain why he was able to make his movie in the first place, in that scope of ambition.
Consensual Genocide It was at least competently made, and honestly I found it fun to watch. It was a little corny, sure, but it’s kinda supposed to be. It’s not trying to be some kind of serious drama.
@@rassilontdavros3004 Agree. I too enjoyed the AVGN movie for what it was. However it wasn't particularly well received among the fans and I wonder if it would have been more liked had there been some fan service in it. Still, I don't fault James for doing his thing. Nothing but admiration for the guy.
Consensual Genocide I never saw it. It came out when I was a kid and totally obsessed with AVGN but I didn’t have any money to buy it myself. Can’t believe I’ve still not seen it
I went through a similar Channel Awesome phase in high school and it really did shape me. I even met Rob and Doug at a convention (as well as Brad Jones, Linkara, Lindsay Ellis, Nella, and Todd in the Shadows) and told them of my college plans and how they inspired me. Lindsay Ellis inspired me to become a feminist and rethink my conservative worldview. I used to watch Brad Jones’ Midnight Screenings at night to help me fall asleep when my fear and depression made it difficult to relax. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. These people were so influential to me. As a result I had a similar period of deep pain after everything came out. I was having trouble concentrating on my homework and was just generally so upset. I felt so stupid that something like this could shake me so much, but my therapist said that it sounded like I was going through some sort of grief and that I should cut myself some slack. It was strange. I still follow people like Lindsay, Todd, Allison, Phelan, Linkara, MikeJ, and some others. But not with the same intensity as I used to. It’s amazing to see how much Lindsay Ellis’ content has improved. I just love the video essays she does now. This is just to say, you’re not alone in feeling viscerally upset by this whole situation.
Same here, I loved the site so much in my high school years and it was very sad to see what it ended up becoming. I was a huge fan of Spoony especially. It goes to show that what I enjoyed as a teenager doesn't really resonate now, and that people on the internet are just that: people. I held up these people in such high regard and forgot they weren't characters.
Honestly I’m the same way even though I followed everyone else to RUclips besides doug it isn’t the same but I still really like Todd and rap critics videos because they actually have something to say so does everyone you have mentioned. Literally the one person that has not evolved from the channel awesome persona is doug and that actually is a real tragedy. It will never change unless he realizes what many others realized. That he is a shell of his former self and he needs to change or risk being the villain for many years to come. It’s so weird to see the two juggernauts of the mid 2000s Internet doug Walker and AVGN have two different receptions now. AVGN has a pretty good reception and justifiably so because he actually makes good content still. On the other hand doug dug a hole for himself he can’t seem to ever get out of.
I discovered Linsday Ellis separately from Channel Awesome some time after the controversy, she's probably my favorite video essayist right now. And looking up her older vids... damn I agree she's grown quite a lot. I'd go as far as to suggest that just leaving that stepping stone behind boosted her development as a content creator.
Quinton, I was planning to leave once the review was done. But I can't. I'm stuck here, watching the entire video in shocked awe. What horrors have you wrought, what deals have you made with dread old things that lurk between the stars. What did you see to drive you this mad. And why can't I look away.
"Don't laugh at his jokes," maybe; "Don't want to sleep with him," I'd be very surprised. The guy's egotistical about his writing and his content and can be an incompetent filmmaker, but I've heard he's a pretty nice guy outside of that. Plus, I'm pretty sure he was married at this point.
Superdark33 the reason is probably that iirc star wars could still be seen as "nerdy" until the new trilogy hit, yet well-known enough to be safe to reference and have everyone get it. Like haha we are nerds too here's a (not really) nerdy thing Maybe some people could still argue it is, but idk.
I feel like I just witnessed a dead loved one rise from the grave, break into my house, ask if I have any sharp cheddar cheese, insult my cat, and then climb right back into their grave never to be seen again. I'm confused and I don't have a cat and I'm kinda disappointed that I couldn't at least give them the cheese and I kinda wonder what would have happened if I did.
It's really hard to explain I guess but I kind of empathise with it. I'm 20 now, but I remember watching some of those videos as they came out and actually found out about a lot of movies because of them. Plus back then he was one of the bigger guys on the internet and it was weirdly inspiring. As a kid. Back then. Kids are dumb more at 11. I also just consider the 00's internet as a whole nostalgic. A lot more low-budget content seemed cool, the whole culture was different, and it certainly wasn't as mainstream/corporate as it is right now. It just felt more personal overall and just... that's hard to explain too. But I'm biased there so eh judge for yourself Don't get me wrong, I also know I'm still dumb. I'm not Doug :^).
Man I remember being in the sixth grade when this came out and when Doug started talking to his own character I thought “huh this is a little egotistical”
The level of film making skill displayed in Channel Awesome's films would've gotten me a 40 minute rant from my teacher in 12th grade. edit: Why does Doug always shoot in low angle shots?
Because he thinks he's awesome. It's a godly/power/high impact camera angle that should be used sparingly, in case that needs to be said. One of the few movies that use it somewhat liberally is actually A New Hope, except, back then at least, George Lucas knew not only how to use it but why, and A New Hope is a propulsive action film with epic heroes in the making. Doug just remembers something one of his film studies profs said about low angles being for power/awesome/pay-attention-to-this-guy shots and thought "Oh, that's me. I'll just use that all the time, I guess."
Honestly Logan Paul did a better job addressing his controversy than the Walker brothers. I'm not saying this as a fan of his, nor am I saying he what he did wasn't a serious misdeed. Yet, it was Logan Paul, the screaming man-child, who made a video blog apologizing not just for his own wrong doing, but for belittling the issues of suicide and mental illness. Meanwhile, Channel Awesome released a disrespectful non-apology and then made the whole mess worse by dumping a bunch of emails that violated a bunch of people's privacy. Logan Paul is more mature than the men behind Channel Awesome
It's hilarious to me the Doug thinks he peaked at his Moulin Rouge "review" when it was there I kind of realized he kind of sucked at analyzing and reviewing. Also his reasoning for disliking that movie was so eye roll worthy.
@@nerdyneedsalife8315 But that's the thing his reasoning for why it's pretentious doesn't make sense. I don't care that he didn't like the movie Im annoyed that he disliked it because Bad Luhrman just has style that's not for him this he thinks it's bad.
@@nerdyneedsalife8315 No I get that but it really it just seemed to boil down to "This movie doesnt mesh with my tastes therefore I hate it & deem it pretentious" aka Doug is lame...
I have never cared for "RUclipsr Movies", even from creators I love, such as RedLetterMedia and AVGN. Despite me watching all their episodes several times over, There is a reason their content work on the RUclips format, it was molded and created for that platform. Trying to take that and create it into a movie pretty much always just leads to a lackluster experience that 1) Doesn't please the fans of the original shows 2) Doesn't please new fans or general "movie goers". It falls flat on all fronts by trying to be something it's not.
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@Helen G. Pitts "Previous month I managed" something's wrong with your spam script, it should say September instead of just "Previous month", shouldn't it? Also why would you say "twenty four months" instead of two years? Absolutely terrible writing.
Banjo Peppers it’s because it’s copy-pasted spam, that way they don’t have to change it every month. Also it was likely written by someone who’s not a fluent English speaker.
I like how this is both a scathing review of "to boldly flee" and also just a better movie than to boldly flee, while also not taking itself too seriously and just being a fun video made by friends.
I never watched any Nostalgia Critic, never knew anybody who did, and have no fond memories- or really memories at all, really- about him or his work. The time I could've spent back then watching his early videos and becoming a fan only to be betrayed later was instead spent with just, like, having a really bad life at the time. All that is now better in retrospect because as a result I never had to watch To Boldly Flee. Instead, I got to watch this with no context. As someone with no idea what was going on, this was the best kind of unwatchable. Thanks, I hate it.
One of my favorite things about Linkara is his ideal that you should build off of bad stories instead of ignoring them. An ideal he puts into use by having The Plot Hole as a part of a storyline, even after he left
@@cractor6307 This guy named Jeremy Hambly got banned from playing sanctioned Magic: The Gathering for life. He used his platform to harass cosplayer Christine Sprankle, directly or indirectly (via his fans), for months. Christine would quit playing MTG, stop cosplaying, and leave social media because of it. Anyway Quinton looks just like the guy, especially when he's scruffier.
GreatCanadianGuy that’s a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Hambly is the one who got harassed and kicked out of MTG. But when you live in a echo chamber, just like Quinton, you get a wrapped view of reality. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of you
The Multiplication Man scene made me legitimately laugh so hard. That scene was way better than Doug’s shitty Monster Squad or Hocus Pocus videos. Or pretty much anything since his failed Demo Reel/movies shit.
The only thing good about the Hocus Pocus "review" was how Tamara and Beth were carrying Doug the whole time, both in terms of acting and singing. The costumes were pretty damn good tho
@@Advent3546 I know. Honestly, I still love the old stuff. Doug fell in love with sketch comedy and convinced himself that was the only way to take his brand. His reviews, even a lot of the post-to boldly flee stuff had very lucid analysis and jokes, but that's not what he wants to do. Between that and change the channel, the well is poisoned for a lot of us former fans.
@@yy-hj4br can't do sketch comedy if you make the whole joke about how you're smarter than the joke or material. His new It review/recap wasn't bad but then it went back downhill once again with his condescending attitude. I feel bad for the guy because it's plain to see he wants to do sketch comedy, but two things are working against him: people want NC not DW and he's not good at it and seemingly doesn't want to learn how to improve.
To anyone about to/just starting to buckle in for this video: I highly recommend watching the "Quinton Reviews Cinematic Universe" playlist first. It'll.... it'll make sense.
As someone who's seen very little of Quentin's older review content, the seemingly random and impenetrable lore enhances the experience. It's as totally nonsensical as I'd expect an old CA movie to be, but watchable.
The weird thing about the NC is that, I've watched a lot of internet stuff and it all hold up. But the NC, just doesn't. You know, the AVGN, DBZ and YGO Abridged, Cinema Snob. I watched them like 10 years ago and I can watch them now and still really enjoy them. But the NC, I'm just like, I used to find this funny? I just don't understand it. Even when I watch YGO Abridged and some of the jokes justhaven't aged well I can still appreciate that it was good back in the day. But the NC, it's just, it wasn't good back in the day. He was never particularly funny. I'm not a film nerd but even I can see how shallow his analysis of a film actually is. It feels so strange because he was this massive looming figure. Him and the AVGN were just the biggest of them all. Every angry game guy wanted to be the AVGN and every angry film guy wanted to be the NC. But, James is still funny and still smart and still brilliant. His stuff is genuinely top quality. I don't understand why we were all fooled into believing that the Walker brothers were anything other than average.
There were a few times, I think, he did have decent critical analysis. Like his editorials and his review of Patch Adams. But outside of that, I really can't think of anything.
@@legofan370 yeah. He did have some good ones. If he had grown and improved like other creators on the site. I would not have a problem with his old stuff not being that good.
Idk they both got really defensive of Doug during the whole Change the Channel thing and it put a bad taste in my mouth...I actually really liked Tamara before that
There's the classic "if you can't do it better yourself, don't complain" aspect to Doug. The only thing is he actually proved he couldn't do it better.
@Heavy Metal Collector His own stuff is better if you like deadpan, as he just gets to let his dead pans fly as if thrown from the hands of a mighty god.
I watched this movie when it came out (still being a fan of CA at the time) and yknow, i didn't care about it much back then either but upon a rewatch (admittedly a skimming rewatch, i couldn't do it) it SERIOUSLY aged like milk. Like for example there was a moment where Brad leaned over to a then-closeted Kinley Mochrie and whispered "remind me to ask if he's a transvestite" about Spoony and my brain just about melted from cringing
When he was a child, he caught a fleeting glimpse, out of the corner of his eye. He turned to look but it was gone, he cannot put his finger on it now. The child is grown, the dream is gone, he has become comfortably numb.
This wasn’t a movie, this was a contractually obligated playdate with Doug.
Yes.
Tim Cosgrove That wasn’t contractually obligated...
Hahahahahahaha
Absolutely!
@@chownful Super intelligent response. Glad only the best go for CA.
@@chownful Subjective really. CA has gone down the shitter.
"Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go brush my teeth."
Me (sees whole hour of runtime left): oh jesus christ no.
"It struck me as funny. Do you understand?"
I scrolled down to the comments just to make sure someone else had the same reaction I did
Quinton: Oh jesus christ yes
I get that the point was to make something terrible. But, somehow, making something terrible to be terrible ended up just being terrible and I hate it.
At the very least now we can't say To Boldly Flee is the worst movie ever because holy shit that was bad.
@@dracocrusher this has better production value, and has a better idea of what it is, so nah. It's not amazing, but better then Flee at least.
Yesterday, I watched an old video of Todd in the Shadow with Lindsay Ellis and they made a gag about being forced to be in a movie because of contractual obligation. When you know the whole story, that joke become kinda tragic
Atlas Geneticist it was From Justin To Kelly
Ok but does anybody know where you can find any Nostalgia Chick videos, most of the specific ones i want to watch, Lindsay has scorched from the earth.
Edit:
Nevermind. There's a channel called Vintage Chez Lindsay. It's got most of the Nostalgia Chick instalments on there.
@@nxgan1088 oh also she deleted some more recent videos which I found on Yahoo's video service
One of my favorites being her food video collab food of yore with mara wilson
nxgan I would sell my kidney to find her video with Todd and Lupa about Spider-Man musical
@@nxgan1088 It's Nostalgic Woman now. I don't get the name change, I'm just informing people of it.
i get “the way to make a good movie is to make a shitty movie” but no one goes out of their way to intentionally make a shit movie. tommy wiseau honestly thought the room was a dramatic masterpiece. the guy who made manos made it to prove that he could make a horror movie. and they’re both incredibly terrible but they are beloved because they aimed high and we’re fascinated with the crash landing.
to boldly flee didn’t even get off the ground.
Bad movies are only entertaining when they try to be competent. Its not as funny when the people behind it are in on the joke.
Exactly. A bad movie that is trying to be bad and knows it's trying to be bad could never have the same kind of lasting impact that a movie that's bad but trying to be good does. The experience of watching a movie that ends up being terrible, but is made with utter un-self-conscious sincerity in the material is what can lead to something unique and special, and those are the ones that are remembered.
If you try to create a drama and fail, you get a comedy
If you try to create a comedy and fail, you get a terrible movie
Plus good movies literally do have genuine staying power due to how good they are. The Room came out in 2003. How many people remember that movie better than Kill Bill or Pirates of the Caribbean or Lost in Translation? Manos came out in 1966, and you can't seriously say that more people remember it over The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
No I think it got off the ground. I mean, how else do you throw something in the trash?
I noticed a while ago that Doug's joke in all these movies is that he's an insane monster of a boss and everyone hates working for him.
Guess it makes sense in hindsight.
Write what you know.
@Nerdy Alien No, it aged BEAUTIFULLY because it's true.
“Now get back in the closet, I’ll let you out when I need a Sam and Max joke”
Yep, seems way more realistic now
I like Doug walker he's a funny guy
the king of weird he’s funny, I agree. But he’s been very rude to the people he’s working with.
The most unbelievable part of To Boldly Flee was that it even had a script and wasn't entirely made up by Doug as they were filming.
Dumb My Little Pony jab is dumb. That's one of the few things I remember about this... "Special."
“I’m the woke version”
Doug what does that even mean
I assume he meant "haha look morty is BLACK"
He woke fuhhhhhh
Black woke, white broke
Atlas Geneticist
This but unironically cause I’m black and that’s self affirming cause I have depression
Woken Doug Walker
"My fanbase and dignity shall be DELETED!"
I am always stunned when he pulls out a clip from years ago pretty much showing that he actually has planned out the entire Quinton cinematic universe already.
This was my introduction to Quinton channel, and I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway. He did a great job giving context to new viewers. But after the bee movie "gag" and the monolog in the first iCarly ideo explaining similar things it doesn't surprise me at all. I'm so sure this was a thing way way back and he was like "this is gonna be so great, I'm gonna set up all this stuff and just shoot it down. It's gonna be amazing." And it was.
Not shooting the battlefield earth guy at a Dutch angle for ever scene is such a wasted visual gag
They could have gradually tilt it more and more for every time it cuts to him
The worst part is in his original appearance, back in the actual Battlefield Earth review, they did exactly that. They just couldn't be arsed to do the joke again here.
@@axelbergstrom4585 And put an ever weirder color filter over the shot. Sepia-puce-salmon-magenta-neon yellow
@@jazitbe part of me wants the tilt to hit such an extreme the actor suddenly starts tumbling over like the whole set is skewed
@@axelbergstrom4585 that would have been hilarious and it ends with him completly on the side
It's a real power move to rip on a movie, and then completely show it up by making a better version of it in the same video. Respect.
Where
@@TwilightKnight2 Skip to @43:55 if you don't care for Quinton shitting all over Channel Awesome.
@@QJ89 no thanks
QJ89 I, on the other hand, thank you. I came to watch the movie again.
@@holographicbunny3297 Fair nuff
And the funniest thing about Phelous' acting? Dude has done a entire live-action series about him parodying Mortal Kombat! He has the most amount of experience in this, and he KNOWS. He KNOWS how bad TBF is.
Same with the special effects. I heard that he did most of the special effects in the movie because he was also skilled with that and while some of the effects look okay for a amateur movie, others look like he just gave up halfway through and if he did give up, I don't blame him one bit.
@@vontavius01 This lead to Doug saying that Phelan 'half-assed' the special effects. This became a bit of a running gag with Phelous
@@vontavius01 he does a commentary with lupa and brad and all 3 of them just murder the video. It's epic.
@@judyhopps9380 where i can find the video?
@@judyhopps9380 please tell me how to find it😭
The fact that you blur out ToddintheShadows face when his whole thing is not showing his face, comedy gold.
The teeth-brushing thing is almost certainly a reference to Superman Returns (2006). When Lois Lane sneaks aboard Luthor's yacht, Lex enters the scene in almost exactly the same way, and delivers his line "Lois Lane?" in a similarly bewildered tone.
God of course it's a reference. Everything the Critic does is a reference
Yeesh, any time I think he may have done something slightly original, it's just another reference...
I don't think I ever would have made that connection, but the Superman Returns connection makes too much sense to be a coincidence.
I knew it reminded me of something! Actually it reminded me of the same bit in Megamind which would be undoubtedly referencing Superman
Ok now we gotta ask why was Lex Luthor doing that?
At least now we know that it was Doug and Rob holding everyone back. The creators who left Channel Awesome did an anniversary audio drama exploring a Lovecraftian story and its pretty fricking amazing storywise.
That's because Linkara can actually write and cares about his friends.
Link, please? That sounds sick!
But where
Yep. And Linkara actually did well as a project runner. Like, obviously, it being an audio drama, he didn't have to worry about lots of the issues Doug did, but also, like, one major bit of criticism Doug got was about how he wrote every character like himself, especially since he hadn't even watched most of their content, and insisted they read the lines the way he would. Meanwhile, Lewis actually watched several episodes of everyone's work to get a general feel for their style, and also allowed them to improvise and come up with their own lines if they thought they had something better. I think one specific example was when Diamanda Hagan noted that a line he had written for her contradicted something from her show, and he immediately agreed to allow something different, rather then pulling Doug's whole "oh well, no one will notice" shtick. This is also the reason the AT4W movie is way more enjoyable then TBF, despite being, objectively, not really much better written: Because it at least feels like the people making it wanted to be there.
@@billyweed835 " Because it at least feels like the people making it wanted to be there."
That was what I was thinking about this video too. :P
"I would like to end this video on a discussion of Doug Walker..."
*sees there's still well over an hour of video left*
Time to fastforward.
i'm going to defend the toothbrush thing cause i have adhd and absolutely walk around the house while brushing my teeth because just standing still in the bathroom does not spark joy. also sometimes i wake up in the middle of the day shut up you're not my mom
i have adhd and a very hard time brushing my teeth, but i tried walking around my house to do it and it was SO much easier! thank you for the unintended suggestion.
i have adhd and i do it too :D feels good to be not alone in this
I DON'T have adhd and I do this. I'm a little concern now.
I have adhd too! I thought I was the only one
I see nothing wrong with this(probably because I do the same thing)
Multiplication Man is the most Filthy Frank character that Filthy Frank never made.
I now consider this L O R E
Mick 92 it's the Deepest Lore
“ Logan Paul filmed a dead body and he’s still doing fine”
ok bradican
I had been a fan of Brad's for years, i liked him more than NC but that moment made me unsub and never look [back]. like jesus fucking christ what a shitty thing to say. and before that there were rumors of him and his ...group of people... harassing Lupa after the google doc dropped. He's a shit "friend" if he ever were really one and not just pretending. iirc she moved somewhat closed to him years ago and he just.. .shit on her and Phelan and everyone else.
true thou
That line seems more like a joke. Brad had nothing to do with any of the issues at CA, he's just a content creator, he has nothing to do with management decisions. And he never harassed Lupa or Phelan
@@princesstamika Theyre not rumors. Lupa has mentioned many times that Brad and his people pulled shitty things to them. I think one time was trying to frame Lupa and Phelan for something as well as harass them. What's more insidious was that they used their dead relative to get more pity points and make Lupa more of the bad guy even if Lupa and Phelan werent doing anything.
Honestly, Lupa acts like such a flake that I don't know what to believe anymore.
“As I got older, stopped watching them, and that’s mainly because I started to like good content.”
I hope I misheard that.
Speaking of 'Moulin Rogue,' Doug was probably the only one proud of that review, which may have been all that mattered to him. I have heard that he's a bit of a control freak...!
I stopped watching him after The Wall Review.
I'm a huge prog fan and The Wall is my favorite album and one of my favorite movies. This review made me sick. Also, the other reviews since 2015 are almost all of them stupid.
666th like haha :)
tbh he still likes ralphthemoviemaker and his skits are just as bad as NC's skits
I watched all his stuff.. then I found channels like YMS and RLM and never went back
"Hey. You're being a bit of a Doug Walker." Oof! I don't think I'd ever recover if somebody read me for filth like that.
Tohru
this madman really made a whole ass movie parody of to boldly flee and slapped it at the end, and even plugged his sponsor throughout
And I will not be watching it because I got better things to do
@@frogglen6350 But you had time to converse in a comment section?
Of which converse??
converse shoes.
@@2Dzz
Quinton fans are super weirdos
"If you're in the 9th grade, this seems brilliant"
Wow, okay Quinton, you didn't need to call my 9th grade self out like that
Jeeves Anthrozaur He said tenth lmao
I'm feeling so attacked right now.
Same
@@notaninstrument7707 no he said ninth
15:30, Doug didn't even get the ending of Battlefield Earth right. The planet didn't explode because the atmosphere was flammable. It exploded because the atmosphere was reactive to gamma radiation from the warhead they sent through the teleporter. That's still stupid on the movie's part, but it's stated clearly in the movie and it goes to show Doug doesn't really know what he's talking about when he criticizes movies.
He does address that in one of his "fuck-up" videos, I believe.
Actually you're wrong the atmosphere does blow up because it was flammable.... The chain reaction was caused by the bomb! But we've detonated bombs here on Earth and didn't have that therefore the atmosphere being flammable played a big part in that bomb exploding the atmosphere. You should probably give that movie another watch yourself.
That one of the frustrating things about Angry Internet Reviewers. Upon further investigation, they didn't seem to know what they were talking about.
@@mrwednesdaynight I refuse to believe that people irrationally yelling at pieces of media could ever say or do anything wrong!
They definitely know what they're yelling about.....
Right?
Being unintentionally self-revealing is one of the very few things Doug excels at. He's remarkably good at playing himself, and I dont mean in the acting sense.
Wouldn't that be self-sabotage?
This movies so bad there isn’t even a thumbnail.
It's just Doug walker looking at something
For some context for people who watch this video later. When it was first premiering, there was no thumbnail, just a default youtube one.
@@squidyy2k I thought you were talking about the actual nostalgia critic movie
I think the real idiot, is the uploader who made the mistake.
I really enjoyed To Boldly flee. that and the brawl are the only two of the anniversary movies I'll still watch.
I forgot what multiplication man’s deal is so when he came on screen and said he’s Multiplication Man I thought initially. “Oh he does math.”
Well he probably does
Ah I understand - you must have mixed him up with El Nombre... somehow. Or someone like him.
quinton you tricked me into watching a movie
I think that you can. Enjoy someone’s entertainment with out enforcing people I enjoy Nestalgia critic and cinema snob as well as the anim Reina kenchin which was made by a bad person. Or High-school dxd Issca Heyoto who the voice actor did awful things
@@hellriderindustries3083 huh
@@hellriderindustries3083 No one asked
@@hellriderindustries3083 Okay seriously though, is this extreme satire or you’re being deadass right now
@@hellriderindustries3083 What?
phelan background acting in the most passive aggressive way possible is the most Phelan move possible
Agreed
I actually wanted to find a way to just watch all of his scenes because he’s my favourite youtuber
Says, “to end this video…” looks at timecode and there is still over an hour.
Oh god what do you have planned
I fully expect to see him kidnapped and forced at gunpoint to extend the video.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 you were technically right
Exactly
I have an inkling, having scrolled through the comments. Please, oh please, let it be Johnmas-heavy.
I both get and respect the “lore movie/Doug Walker” spiel there at the end, but I’ve been hoping for the return of Johnmas for many a moon and this looks like the last chance for it.
EDIT: 48:06 - F*** YEAH!
@@holographicbunny3297 holy hell reading through this weeks later and I'm so happy someone other than me remembers Johnmas
Quinton really sounds like he's on the verge of tears when talking about Doug Walker.
Well he has admitted that TGWTG (pre-exposed) is the inspiration for him to become a reviewer.
I get it though. I was one of the few ProJared fans before everything came out (specifically his D&D stream with Holly) and I still have nightmares about him that's just me yelling at him.
@@ViktorTheMusician
Pro Jared debunked that. Way to fall for sheep mob hate mentality
@@frogglen6350 He still put the show in jeopardy by sleeping around. It was obvious from multiple screenshots (from Holly and Jared themselves) that Heidi didn't want the two together. If he wanted to divorce her, fine. If she redacted her consent to the open relationship and Jared stopped, I would see an argument for her overreacting, but the facts is that he tried keeping it a secret instead. Yeah it's their personal lives but I have a right to not support him or holly for it.
@@ViktorTheMusician
"By just sleeping around"
Ya mean spending months gathering evidence while seeking mental health?
The best thing about this is imagining Quinton explaining everything to his high school media teacher.
At least he didn't go rogue on him
"That's gonna start a forest fire."
"You are totally right, lets get out of here before we're killed or blamed."
Honestly my favorite line.
Ya know, on a very basic level, having to go save their friend because they're trapped in "the plot hole" is a funny idea, could even be clever. And then Doug Walker proves that he's got good ideas and no idea how to execute them. What's I think is even more sad, is the fact that he's actually way better doing things like his editorials. Yeah I didn't always agree but the man could make good points.
I agree. Using a space anomaly called a plot hole as a plot device that affects reality is a pretty good idea. Too bad he completely botched the execution.
The thing is: having a cool idea is the easy part of the proccess, having it translate to paper in a way that makes sense is the actual work.
I feel the same way about how one of the lines in the Doug Meets the Critic scene is actually surprisingly poignant: "You're the writer! Tell me what to do!" "You're the character! Tell me what to write!"
Like, anyone that has done tabletop RPGs knows how that is: if you have fully fleshed out your character, that's how it feels to write that character: you feel almost like you're observing and transcribing the actions of said character. It no longer feels like you're just making them ride the railroad from story beat to story beat, you're watching them consider their options and willingly heading down the path made of story beats.
Yet, when Doug does it, it comes across as "God. Look how hard and important it is to be a writer."
I always preferred his essays over his (at the time) contemporaneous “reviews” because he was not only good at making semi-educated and concise points but he was also _sincere_ in his essays. His brand of “sarcastic” “parody” never felt genuine to me and muddied his own points when he would eventually get to actually discussing the films near the end. I’d argue sincerity itself is the sincerest form of praise. Being straight to the point and enthusiastic about what you’re talking about (with maybe the occasional joke) works much better with my autism, but I don’t think autism should be the only reason to make clear points.
Doug Walker once said that his favorite character in Daria was Jane Lane and he said he wanted to be like her but he was more closer to being like Upchuck, that creep who keeps saying “feisty” all the time. This doesn’t surprise me honestly.
I can’t believe I’m coming to Mr. Walker’s defense, but I think wishing you were more Jane and less Upchuck is pretty relatable.
Ideally you’d make some progress with it, eventually, but that’s the Daria in me talking.
Daniel Horn We both know that little to no progress has even been made on Doug’s part
Not to mention, his writing's bad. Don't people know the difference between good and bad?
Daniel Horn I read that in Daria’s voice.
I think BRADICAN is upchuck but yes i do agree with that observation too
I love how Quinton makes a lore movie that's even MORE crudely made than To Boldly Flee on purpose, and somehow it's far better than anything Doug Walker ever made.
It def helps that it is less than half the length. Boldy flee is more than 3 hours and the parody part of the video is around an hour.
@Hans Hanzo
.... I'm not sure how it is sliders, given that the whole parallel universe thing is at least as old as OS star trem.
@Hans Hanzo I haven't even seen all of Quinton's videos, and already his lore movie makes more sense than To Boldly Flee... or any of Doug's lore movies for that matter.
It helps that he actually explains the lore for those of us not really familiar with his older work (the only stuff I’ve really seen from that era is the Fairly OddParents movies).
That's what gets me about the AVGN movie and NC movies why are they three hours long? Lord of the Rings is 3 hours long do they have even the 10,000th the story ?
Theres a reason the old Laurel and Hardy pictures are 30 minutes long. Name me just 1 good comedy move that longer than 100 mins ? At a stretch they should be 75 minutes maybe 85 if they add an elaborate title sequence and bloopers in the credit.
You know underneath the shit I think there is a good movie concept there, cause there are two interesting ideas:
-A character meeting their writer
-A plot hole being a physical anomaly
If the critic was well written and everything was less heavy-handed it could be a satisfying cynical comedy ending in redemptive self sacrifice. Maybe someone should make a parody of this movie with the joke being that it's good, and since it's a parody they can take all the characters and concepts under fair use.
The title of the film is a mistake on the part of Doug where he didn’t understand a plot point in Star Trek V which I think perfectly represents Doug Walker
Was it the part where kirk asks why would a god need a star ship?
Deigo Quixotwry The part where he complains about why no other ship went to meet God even though it was explained the planet was surrounded by an energy field which although could be passed through was made to have people fear it strongly so they would never attempt it
The Nostalgia Critic: he misinterprets media so you don't have to!
@@brendanmccabe8373 Yeah, IIRC the only reason they were doing it in the first place is because the Vulcan terrorist guy (Spock's brother or something, IIRC?) basically kidnapped them and forced them to. How does *Star Trek V* actually make more sense than Doug's movie?
"I watch Channel Awesome when I was a kid". Dude, the channel's not even 15 yet. It's so weird to me, a person in my 30s, to think about how "when I was a kid" was only like 8 years ago for some adults.
As a child, one perceives time as much more slow and grand, but as an adult, you start to slow down, making it seem as though time is moving more quickly.
I'm a millenial who was born in the early 2000's, and I perceive the 90s as having happened eons ago, but my dad remembers it like it was just yesterday
@@th3rasave Hate to break it to you...but you're a Zoomer. Everyone born from 2000 onwards is.
@@Hanfgurkenhasser shh, I'm smart
@@th3rasave Fine, I will grant you the honorary title of "Millenial in Mind".
@@Hanfgurkenhasser yayyy ^w^ *claps happily*
Change the Channel didn’t kill Doug Walker, he was already dead. Change the Channel killed Bradican Jones
Indeed, even with all the shitshow before that I still liked Brad but now he really showed his colors by still being associated with such a rotten group.
SammEater Brad had built up a very likable persona. The type of person he presented himself to be back then was actually a really big influence on me. He threw it all away (along with many of his own friends) when given the choice to either keep making money with Doug or continue to feint any illusion of being a decent human being.
@@CorrectFossa It is a shame. At least Phelous didn't fell like that.
@@SammEater Phelous didn't have a choice he's married to Luppa...
@@styx84 Which explains his bored expression through the "movie". Haha
Honestly, Scott the woz has really mastered the “lore movie” genre. Enough jokes to stand on its own but supported even more by its call backs. Doug just threw his RUclips friends in front of a green screen and called it a day.
Scott the Woz's works are really a masterpiece. Borderline forever has got to be the single best youtube special I have ever had the joy of seeing. The amount of jokes they manage to land perfectly while calling back to their character traits are amazing. I am truly in awe with Scott's brand of humor.
Hell, Quinton was IN borderline forever
I get kinda tired of that stuff being every single episode. for me what made those cool is that they happened like twice a year
Yeah Scott is really Doug walker but like the complete opposite of him
I remember really enjoying Scott the Wozs content 5 years ago but eventually flanderization got to him and all his videos blend into each other
"I used the lore movie to destroy the lore movie."
Reduced to atoms
"And on the pedestal, these words appear:
'I'm the Nostalgia Critic
I remember it so you don't have to'.....
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
not remembering him, that we most certainly did
Ah yes I see you, like me, are a fellow denizen of the English GCSE class (or you just like the poem I dunno)
@@bassistwithadeathwish7277 and I see you, like me, like star vs the forces of evil
@@cybercrasherstv
Eyyyy
@@bassistwithadeathwish7277 Or you played Civ IV.
It was one of the tech quotes in that game, said by the late Leonard Nimoy. It's where I learned the quote personally.
Can't believe I actually got most of the lore in this, even if only in a "oh yeah I kinda remember that" way
Same, but mostly because I sometimes come back to Quinton's older videos because I still enjoy them.
I, sadly, got every bit right off the bat. When Wyatt showed up I literally fell off my chair the first time around.
Quinton realizing he's basically trapped in a lore movie is gold.
I feel like there's an elephant in the room. Channel Awesome style reviews weren't really reviews, they were basically just abridged versions of the movies in questions so you didn't have to wait through the bad/boring parts of a movie to see the funny parts. The reviewer themself was basically just a talking head to summarize the parts they skipped. Often this basically just cribs on some well known thing's success/fame/infamy (The Room, anything people are actually nostalgic about), but sometimes this is still worthwhile, with stuff that is actually unwatchable. I tried to actually watch "Yor: The Hunter from the Future" once, it gets awkward fast, I just started feeling sorry for the actors.
The room was not super well known when he made that review...
I don't know, I felt after To Boldy Glee most reviews tried even harder to get away from that style.
Phos9 definitely a thing born from a time when nobody knew what the fuck we were doing. I think the weirdest thing of all looking back is that the format never got better. That he had so much money to improve the content but it never got better.
You're not wrong. Now they're just filled with unfunny sketches that only Doug and Rob find funny.
He was really the CinemaSins of his time
Quinton: You ruined my life!
Critic: I don't even know who you are
Choncino if all goes according to plan, he will
Critic: I... AM... INEVITABLE
Quinton: And... THEN YOU FROZE
Nostalgia Critic: For you, when I graced your channel, it was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was yesterday.
hey @@jakek1735 ...
@@jakek1735 do you belive un god?
The Room is a masterpiece. Doug Walker WISHES he could make something like The Room
In a roundabout way he does. The main defense to his production quality I hear is that its meant to look awkward and imcomplete, that it somehow adds to the humour or charm like in the Room. In reality of course it comes across as someone whose too lazy to improve his craft.
But the room has actual production values. And Tommy set out to make a Gone with the Wind or Requium for a Dream. If you set out to make a cult classic you set out to make a bad movie ultimately. Can you actually name me a single so bad it's good that was intended to be like that? Of course not the Room Troll 2 Jaws 3D ect where all meant to be unironically good.
The room is a piece of shit that became a so bad it’s good.
@@nifralo2752 The Room was absolutely meant to be taken seriously, it just came out like shit.
Even The Room used actual sets compared to Doug’s woeful green screens
The only enjoyment I pulled from those old NC movies was the feeling of watching people I enjoyed having fun making a movie together. Then you learn that none of them had any fun so... yeah. There is nothing positive I can say about them now.
Man... That was a trip.
The Premiere was almost a hostage situation. We don't deserve you Quinton. Love your content.
I can't stand Nostalgia Critic's screaming any more. However, Doug Walker doing his serious bits with this patronizing, whiny and stupidly sentimental style is infinitely worse.
It's ironic he calls Pink Floyd's The Wall "whiny" when Doug HIMSELF is whiny!
Does he even know anything about film ?
I remember there was a time when I was kind of impacted by it, but even then there was usually something about it that felt forced. Nowadays, knowing how indifferent he seems to have been to the actual wellbeing of people, it really sits horribly with me.
YES.
Nostalgia Critic I can still get into...sometimes. But Doug Walker himself is remarkably uninteresting.
so Avengers Endgame is technically a lore movie then
Yes
I'd even Argue that endgame/infinity war is on the same quality of to boldy flee
fishnchipz Uh oh, looks like we got an edgelord
@@manicallydepressedclown ok boomer
@@TheSonOfRyan See you're reviving an old dead 4chan meme with the 'ok boomer'.
On a side, ex-fans have been calling Brad "Bradakin" because he's basically gone to the dark side and has gone full Vader. Again, he hates being called Bradakin, so that just makes them wanna do it more
haha, wow! It's super weird watching a video and suddenly an old Dumb Words ep shows up. My mom was a camera operator for a good ten years, but eventually moved to be the lead grip on various productions as well as a regular lead grip for coverage on the SXSW music festival, among a few other things. She's extremely experienced in what it takes to put together and manage a group of filmmakers, she does it every year when SXSW rolls around, so she def knows when someone's doing something wrong.
Also Doug brushing his teeth has been a mystery for me since I first watched TBF and I'm glad I'm not the only person bothered by it
Kinda lame Quinton didn't even link to your discussion or even name you
@@Tacom4ster eh. I'm not a youtuber anymore so it doesn't really matter to me.
Maybe it's an attempt at cinematic shorthand: you know it's his home, because he feels comfortable enough there to brush his teeth in the living room. On that level, I thought it was fairly effective.
hey I watch your videos
Aren't you that girl who made a livestream about Mr Enter's book?
James Rolfe seems like a better filmmaker than Doug Walker.
Interestingly, James made the opposite of a lore movie. Instead of building upon years of AVGN lore, his movie had a completely new story line, new characters and so forth. In part due to this, it was a pretty bad movie, though still leagues above anything Walker ever made.
If I remember correctly, Rolfe got his education in film, and it's been something he's been doing since he was a child. It helps explain why he was able to make his movie in the first place, in that scope of ambition.
Consensual Genocide
It was at least competently made, and honestly I found it fun to watch. It was a little corny, sure, but it’s kinda supposed to be. It’s not trying to be some kind of serious drama.
@@rassilontdavros3004 Agree. I too enjoyed the AVGN movie for what it was. However it wasn't particularly well received among the fans and I wonder if it would have been more liked had there been some fan service in it.
Still, I don't fault James for doing his thing. Nothing but admiration for the guy.
Consensual Genocide I never saw it. It came out when I was a kid and totally obsessed with AVGN but I didn’t have any money to buy it myself. Can’t believe I’ve still not seen it
"When I stopped being able to respect him, I stopped being able to respect myself" is sincere and full of fucking integrity.
an adult human saying they watched channel awesome as a kid has aged me 20 years
"Doug Walker is now God"
I choose death.
@Dr. Spog Zallagi Then I can finally kill the bastard
@@jfarrar19 And then you become God. Or the Nostalgia Critic... or both? *shudder*
@@PanzerPlant Thou art God. Always remember that.
I shall go into Diavolo's universe then, thank you.
"Now if you'll excuse me, I have to brush my teeth."
*sees the video has over an hour left*
o no honey what are you doing
Skip to @43:55 if you don't care for Quinton shitting all over Channel Awesome.
No
@@QJ89 Only for him to shit on CA in parody form. Didn't you pay any attention?
I went through a similar Channel Awesome phase in high school and it really did shape me. I even met Rob and Doug at a convention (as well as Brad Jones, Linkara, Lindsay Ellis, Nella, and Todd in the Shadows) and told them of my college plans and how they inspired me. Lindsay Ellis inspired me to become a feminist and rethink my conservative worldview. I used to watch Brad Jones’ Midnight Screenings at night to help me fall asleep when my fear and depression made it difficult to relax. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. These people were so influential to me. As a result I had a similar period of deep pain after everything came out. I was having trouble concentrating on my homework and was just generally so upset. I felt so stupid that something like this could shake me so much, but my therapist said that it sounded like I was going through some sort of grief and that I should cut myself some slack. It was strange.
I still follow people like Lindsay, Todd, Allison, Phelan, Linkara, MikeJ, and some others. But not with the same intensity as I used to. It’s amazing to see how much Lindsay Ellis’ content has improved. I just love the video essays she does now.
This is just to say, you’re not alone in feeling viscerally upset by this whole situation.
Same here, I loved the site so much in my high school years and it was very sad to see what it ended up becoming. I was a huge fan of Spoony especially.
It goes to show that what I enjoyed as a teenager doesn't really resonate now, and that people on the internet are just that: people. I held up these people in such high regard and forgot they weren't characters.
Honestly I’m the same way even though I followed everyone else to RUclips besides doug it isn’t the same but I still really like Todd and rap critics videos because they actually have something to say so does everyone you have mentioned. Literally the one person that has not evolved from the channel awesome persona is doug and that actually is a real tragedy. It will never change unless he realizes what many others realized. That he is a shell of his former self and he needs to change or risk being the villain for many years to come. It’s so weird to see the two juggernauts of the mid 2000s Internet doug Walker and AVGN have two different receptions now. AVGN has a pretty good reception and justifiably so because he actually makes good content still. On the other hand doug dug a hole for himself he can’t seem to ever get out of.
I discovered Linsday Ellis separately from Channel Awesome some time after the controversy, she's probably my favorite video essayist right now. And looking up her older vids... damn I agree she's grown quite a lot. I'd go as far as to suggest that just leaving that stepping stone behind boosted her development as a content creator.
Yo, you got to meet Todd In The Shadows? I'm so fucking jealous. Also what was he like?
Conservative to feminist is a downgrade. Sad!
After Dan Olson's review of Doug Walker's The Wall, I just came back to watch this, I really love it
Quinton, I was planning to leave once the review was done. But I can't. I'm stuck here, watching the entire video in shocked awe. What horrors have you wrought, what deals have you made with dread old things that lurk between the stars. What did you see to drive you this mad. And why can't I look away.
It almost feels like this whole movie is basically a foreshadowing of what happened to these people in real life.
doug walker is the kinda guy who gets angry at women when they don't laugh at his jokes/don't want to sleep with him
all of dougs jokes are references
"Don't laugh at his jokes," maybe; "Don't want to sleep with him," I'd be very surprised. The guy's egotistical about his writing and his content and can be an incompetent filmmaker, but I've heard he's a pretty nice guy outside of that. Plus, I'm pretty sure he was married at this point.
@The Eye Creature how is being a feminist bad?
I love the fact despite Quinton is explaining how he has a time traveling VCR. Multiplication Man is still fucking screaming.
I am aghast that To Boldy Flee was supposed to kill the Nostalgia Critic the same way CTRL ALT DEL killed Ethan.
Never really thought of it like that.
@@lightpostfilms9721 OH GOD I didn't even think of that until now. Why did you put that in my brain?? Now I'm contemplating that! NOOOO.
Also consider: The CAD animated series thing also had its plot be "basically star wars".
Superdark33 the reason is probably that iirc star wars could still be seen as "nerdy" until the new trilogy hit, yet well-known enough to be safe to reference and have everyone get it. Like haha we are nerds too here's a (not really) nerdy thing
Maybe some people could still argue it is, but idk.
I feel like I just witnessed a dead loved one rise from the grave, break into my house, ask if I have any sharp cheddar cheese, insult my cat, and then climb right back into their grave never to be seen again. I'm confused and I don't have a cat and I'm kinda disappointed that I couldn't at least give them the cheese and I kinda wonder what would have happened if I did.
hey ty for that
It's weird how people can refer to Channel Awesome videos as "childhood memories." It makes me feel old.
No shit. I am older than most of these creators including Doug, so I wouldn't think middle schoolers would have been watching at the time.
Count me as another old guy confused about Doug being part of anyone’s childhood
It's really hard to explain I guess but I kind of empathise with it. I'm 20 now, but I remember watching some of those videos as they came out and actually found out about a lot of movies because of them. Plus back then he was one of the bigger guys on the internet and it was weirdly inspiring. As a kid. Back then. Kids are dumb more at 11.
I also just consider the 00's internet as a whole nostalgic. A lot more low-budget content seemed cool, the whole culture was different, and it certainly wasn't as mainstream/corporate as it is right now. It just felt more personal overall and just... that's hard to explain too. But I'm biased there so eh judge for yourself
Don't get me wrong, I also know I'm still dumb. I'm not Doug :^).
Yeah... I was watching in *law school* so when people talk about it as childhood memories, it just makes me feel ancient.
"You're being a Doug Walker" is the inverse of "You're not being who Mr Rogers thought you could be"
Holy shit I love that second one I’ve never heard it before. I’ve got to use that line more often
Man I remember being in the sixth grade when this came out and when Doug started talking to his own character I thought “huh this is a little egotistical”
"Doug Walker is Now God"
- Quinton
Wasn't he always
@Billie, Doug-damnit
"oH mY gOD dOESN'T tHIS rEMIND yOU oF jESUS?"
@Billie yes
@Billie if God was cruel and uncaring, than yes
This is simultaneously the greatest thing and worst thing ever created.
It just so perfectly embodies all the things wrong with Channel Awesome-era storytelling.
It’s a plot hole.
The level of film making skill displayed in Channel Awesome's films would've gotten me a 40 minute rant from my teacher in 12th grade.
edit: Why does Doug always shoot in low angle shots?
maybe the tripod isn't tall enough?
No idea, but I do know that low angles were usually used in fascist propaganda films to make the person seem grander.
@@carydorse705 this is exactly where my mind went
Because he thinks he's awesome. It's a godly/power/high impact camera angle that should be used sparingly, in case that needs to be said. One of the few movies that use it somewhat liberally is actually A New Hope, except, back then at least, George Lucas knew not only how to use it but why, and A New Hope is a propulsive action film with epic heroes in the making. Doug just remembers something one of his film studies profs said about low angles being for power/awesome/pay-attention-to-this-guy shots and thought "Oh, that's me. I'll just use that all the time, I guess."
The rant about Doug brushing his teeth in the living room had me rolling.
THIS SCENE KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT
Isn't this a sight gag about seeing something unexpected?
You may be wrong, but you do have some fair points.
Honestly Logan Paul did a better job addressing his controversy than the Walker brothers. I'm not saying this as a fan of his, nor am I saying he what he did wasn't a serious misdeed. Yet, it was Logan Paul, the screaming man-child, who made a video blog apologizing not just for his own wrong doing, but for belittling the issues of suicide and mental illness. Meanwhile, Channel Awesome released a disrespectful non-apology and then made the whole mess worse by dumping a bunch of emails that violated a bunch of people's privacy.
Logan Paul is more mature than the men behind Channel Awesome
Did Logan Paul also make a video apologizing for being racist toward and also harassing Japanese people during that same Japan vlog?
Logan Paul’s apology was garbage and it still was better than how Channel Awesome basically said “sorry you were offended”
It's hilarious to me the Doug thinks he peaked at his Moulin Rouge "review" when it was there I kind of realized he kind of sucked at analyzing and reviewing. Also his reasoning for disliking that movie was so eye roll worthy.
I haven't watched that movie in a while but didn't he hate it because it was pretentious?
@@nerdyneedsalife8315 But that's the thing his reasoning for why it's pretentious doesn't make sense. I don't care that he didn't like the movie Im annoyed that he disliked it because Bad Luhrman just has style that's not for him this he thinks it's bad.
@@cosmosblue772 Oh I'm not saying his reasoning was good, I just wanted to make sure I was right about his reasoning
@@nerdyneedsalife8315 No I get that but it really it just seemed to boil down to "This movie doesnt mesh with my tastes therefore I hate it & deem it pretentious" aka Doug is lame...
@@cosmosblue772 Which is his critique to everything he doesn't like
I have never cared for "RUclipsr Movies", even from creators I love, such as RedLetterMedia and AVGN. Despite me watching all their episodes several times over, There is a reason their content work on the RUclips format, it was molded and created for that platform. Trying to take that and create it into a movie pretty much always just leads to a lackluster experience that 1) Doesn't please the fans of the original shows 2) Doesn't please new fans or general "movie goers". It falls flat on all fronts by trying to be something it's not.
"Because in five minutes YOU'LL BE IN A HOLE IN THE GROUND!!!"
*jogger goes by casually*
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I think that was supposed to be the Evil Dad.
@Helen G. Pitts "Previous month I managed" something's wrong with your spam script, it should say September instead of just "Previous month", shouldn't it? Also why would you say "twenty four months" instead of two years? Absolutely terrible writing.
Banjo Peppers it’s because it’s copy-pasted spam, that way they don’t have to change it every month. Also it was likely written by someone who’s not a fluent English speaker.
I wonder what their story was?
I like how this is both a scathing review of "to boldly flee" and also just a better movie than to boldly flee, while also not taking itself too seriously and just being a fun video made by friends.
I never watched any Nostalgia Critic, never knew anybody who did, and have no fond memories- or really memories at all, really- about him or his work. The time I could've spent back then watching his early videos and becoming a fan only to be betrayed later was instead spent with just, like, having a really bad life at the time.
All that is now better in retrospect because as a result I never had to watch To Boldly Flee. Instead, I got to watch this with no context. As someone with no idea what was going on, this was the best kind of unwatchable. Thanks, I hate it.
You dodged a bullet, my dude.
Yeah..
One of my favorite things about Linkara is his ideal that you should build off of bad stories instead of ignoring them. An ideal he puts into use by having The Plot Hole as a part of a storyline, even after he left
I don't think that word means what you think it means
@@hansjuker8296 please learn to read🤦♀️
@@gracekim1998 you mad bro?
this has been the best intentionally-so-bad-it's-unironically-good-at-being-bad-that-it's-good film i have ever seen.
Someone hasn't seen Charlie Kelly's commercial for Kitten Mittons
Every RUclipsr: reviews Nostalgia Critics the wall, usually within 10-15 minutes
Quinton Reviews: AMATEURS
"You're that guy that got banned from playing Magic The Gathering!"
Thanks for that. Couldn't have laughed harder. xD
I didn't get that reference, what is it?
I believe it's the guy who posed behind people's... behinds.
@@cractor6307 This guy named Jeremy Hambly got banned from playing sanctioned Magic: The Gathering for life. He used his platform to harass cosplayer Christine Sprankle, directly or indirectly (via his fans), for months. Christine would quit playing MTG, stop cosplaying, and leave social media because of it.
Anyway Quinton looks just like the guy, especially when he's scruffier.
GreatCanadianGuy that’s a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Hambly is the one who got harassed and kicked out of MTG. But when you live in a echo chamber, just like Quinton, you get a wrapped view of reality. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of you
@@orenalbertmeisel3127 Your own behaviour here does not inspire any confidence in the character reference given, quite the opposite.
I didn't watch this for a year because I was too afraid it would be cringe. It was cringe, but for all the right reasons. I love this.
The Multiplication Man scene made me legitimately laugh so hard. That scene was way better than Doug’s shitty Monster Squad or Hocus Pocus videos. Or pretty much anything since his failed Demo Reel/movies shit.
The only thing good about the Hocus Pocus "review" was how Tamara and Beth were carrying Doug the whole time, both in terms of acting and singing. The costumes were pretty damn good tho
Phelous is the hero we deserve.
He's a real human bean, a saint, and a bat hero to us all. After watching this "review" I appreciate him a whole lot more now.
Phelous is funny and wholesome
Phelous actually has hilarious reoccurring characters. The Old Man and the Mayor crack me up every time.
@@kayakat1869
Heeeeeeeeeee
@@kayakat1869 Also Wabu and the various Goodtimes animals!
I'm ready. Also now with his "the Wall" parody,any previous "movie" of his pales in comparison to how bad it was.
Previous longtime Doug Walker fan speaking. It was so awful I questioned why I even stuck around as long as i did.
@@Advent3546 I know. Honestly, I still love the old stuff. Doug fell in love with sketch comedy and convinced himself that was the only way to take his brand. His reviews, even a lot of the post-to boldly flee stuff had very lucid analysis and jokes, but that's not what he wants to do. Between that and change the channel, the well is poisoned for a lot of us former fans.
@@yy-hj4br can't do sketch comedy if you make the whole joke about how you're smarter than the joke or material. His new It review/recap wasn't bad but then it went back downhill once again with his condescending attitude.
I feel bad for the guy because it's plain to see he wants to do sketch comedy, but two things are working against him: people want NC not DW and he's not good at it and seemingly doesn't want to learn how to improve.
I stopped following Doug's uploads a while ago. The WHAT now??
@@FrenkTheJoy buddy, you are in for a "treat"
Can I get a DVD of this movie tossed at me with mild force? The humor was so dry it cleared up my chest congestion. Perfection. Utter perfection.
To anyone about to/just starting to buckle in for this video: I highly recommend watching the "Quinton Reviews Cinematic Universe" playlist first. It'll.... it'll make sense.
ruclips.net/p/PLNkfKT_xRl1OoLwjg0LQ58cphMZP8JUyy
Quiton the quitonain should have drank his rhino milk this morning
As someone who's seen very little of Quentin's older review content, the seemingly random and impenetrable lore enhances the experience. It's as totally nonsensical as I'd expect an old CA movie to be, but watchable.
God damn, I remember watching almost all of those videos for the first time from that playlist.
Also, I'm a bit surprised to see you here Lindsey
The weird thing about the NC is that, I've watched a lot of internet stuff and it all hold up. But the NC, just doesn't. You know, the AVGN, DBZ and YGO Abridged, Cinema Snob. I watched them like 10 years ago and I can watch them now and still really enjoy them. But the NC, I'm just like, I used to find this funny? I just don't understand it. Even when I watch YGO Abridged and some of the jokes justhaven't aged well I can still appreciate that it was good back in the day. But the NC, it's just, it wasn't good back in the day. He was never particularly funny. I'm not a film nerd but even I can see how shallow his analysis of a film actually is. It feels so strange because he was this massive looming figure. Him and the AVGN were just the biggest of them all. Every angry game guy wanted to be the AVGN and every angry film guy wanted to be the NC. But, James is still funny and still smart and still brilliant. His stuff is genuinely top quality. I don't understand why we were all fooled into believing that the Walker brothers were anything other than average.
ultimatetadpole
To be fair, DBZA really doesn’t start holding up until Episode 8/9 or so.
There were a few times, I think, he did have decent critical analysis. Like his editorials and his review of Patch Adams. But outside of that, I really can't think of anything.
@@legofan370 yeah. He did have some good ones. If he had grown and improved like other creators on the site. I would not have a problem with his old stuff not being that good.
I think it's more a case of like Adam Sandler he never evolved but also he never went away.
@@legofan370 His nostalgic commercial videos and the review of It (the miniseries) still seem great to me.
Johnmas doing the A-pose to assert dominance before just shooting Bee Quinton was the best possible way that scene could've been done.
So this is how sick he was of doing the character after five years. Now he's been doing it for nearly 13...
He only has himself to blame because he sold the character to Mike "A good CEO only in his mind" Michaud for the dumbest reasons.
Doug Walker is trapped in a hell of his own making, and that hell wears a cap and a red tie.
I feel so bad for Malcolm and Tamara cause they're a lot funnier than Doug
Look on the bright side, at least Rachael got out before #Changethechannel happened to focus on her own career.
Troy Jardine true facts
....what’s she doing now btw?
really? I thought Tamara has some issues being on a review channel when 98% "Tamara never seen" almost every movie their is in existence.
Malcolm seems alright enough, but wasn't there some scandal with Tamara being publicly shitty to one of her Patreon supporters or something?
Idk they both got really defensive of Doug during the whole Change the Channel thing and it put a bad taste in my mouth...I actually really liked Tamara before that
There's the classic "if you can't do it better yourself, don't complain" aspect to Doug. The only thing is he actually proved he couldn't do it better.
The best parts of To Boldly Flee are Phelan's "I'm so done with this shit" expressions in the backgrounds
You mean the only parts that are good at all
@@RickRaptor105 I rather liked Sad Panda's role
Phalan was just low-key the best reviewer on the site in general just for his extreme, ultra deadpan.
He's such a mood. Phelan is underrated.
@Heavy Metal Collector His own stuff is better if you like deadpan, as he just gets to let his dead pans fly as if thrown from the hands of a mighty god.
Quinton i love your shirt so much, thank you for being a supportive dude with awesomeness videos, while having the added touch of Garfield
I watched this movie when it came out (still being a fan of CA at the time) and yknow, i didn't care about it much back then either but upon a rewatch (admittedly a skimming rewatch, i couldn't do it) it SERIOUSLY aged like milk.
Like for example there was a moment where Brad leaned over to a then-closeted Kinley Mochrie and whispered "remind me to ask if he's a transvestite" about Spoony and my brain just about melted from cringing
I feel like the majority of the nostalgia critic fanbase was middle/high schoolers
I got in to him when I was 19. Does that make me a minority?
Yes he was the first series I saw with so much swearing in it (I was age 13).
I defiantly was.
I think I was 14-15 when I started watching him
*is
"The Guy who got banned from Magic the Gathering"
lol
Head-canon: Doug Walker hates _The Wall_ so much because he realises it's a film about him
When he was a child, he caught a fleeting glimpse, out of the corner of his eye. He turned to look but it was gone, he cannot put his finger on it now. The child is grown, the dream is gone, he has become comfortably numb.
It’s not