I am NOT Senpai Material | Storytime
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Commissions are wild.
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A big thank you to the amazingly talented, kind artists who took the time out of their day to further hone their skills by drawing my nerdy self and my characters~
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❤ Featured Fanart ❤
A Succubus Ponder Sprocket by FrancisBTSBoi
/ francisbtsboi
A blushy B by 0Marche0
/ 0marche0
A chibi Ponder Sprocket and Fiend by Ribbisteak
/ ribbisteak
Ponder Sprocket and a tiny Fiend by Sbewyz
/ sbewyz
A quick doodle by Vampire_SFW
/ vampire_sfw
A B and Ponder Sprocket bust by ArtGamingWonder
/ artgamingwonder
"Doxxers Get Vored" by CleverFox94
(sorry, this twitter is NSFW so no direct link for you)
Ponder Sprocket being carried by a strong robo by Freakwithatag
/ freakwithatag
"B Meets Ren" by TheAnnonymousKat
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Fiend versus the duck by UmbraOdd
/ umbraodd
"Fiend be done with this sh*t" by RyanAnderson32
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"Oops" by PCVoltaArt
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I JUST noticed that the shifting highlights on Bea's hair is supposed to be one giant eye, and I LOVE that detail.
I noticed that too and I thought I was going crazy for a sec lol
SAME BRO I JUST REALIZED AND I WAS ABT TO COMMENT LMAO
lol it took me ages to notice that detail too but I think it’s just a cool concept!
@@Kittyboi.dude it took me forever to notice it as well 😭 good to know im not insane for not immediately knowing, especially as a character designer with some pretty wack character traits in my toolbox myself. either way, bea's hair highlights being an eye is INSANELY creative and cool, major props to bea for that!! super creative :]
when people realize it it makes them adore ponder
I have a sinking feeling that if you gave this guy a connect-the-dots drawing with all the dots numbered in order, they’d still be asking you how to draw a line.
Low key one of the best insults I've ever seen. I'm stealing this
This interaction feels like an AI trying to learn how to draw a human from scratch.
so far, every furry who's commissioned me has been nice. Recently got a 100 usd tip from one of them and most of them say 'take your time'.
Because most people don't like them. For good reason too
@@mrpickles-hb6zx Like literally every other group, there's the good ones, the bad ones, and the eh and meh.
@@mrpickles-hb6zxnormal people don’t hold any strong opinions about furries, hate to break it to you
@@mrpickles-hb6zxbecause most furries are understanding of artists. I’m a furry and an artist myself so
@@mrpickles-hb6zx I assure you an average civilian would just view a furry as a mascot so you’re just objectively wrong but also most furries are just nicer and better people than the ones who hate on them
Not an art commission but some online rando who read a dirty NSFW fanfic I wrote was offended when I rejected meeting them up for sex. They were pretty angry about the whole thing too.
AYO HUHH???? Bro that's TERRIFYING but i also kinda want details?
@@artykeldeo This was way back in the mid 2000's so all I can give is the abbreviated version. I'd been submitting NSFW fanfiction online and I got an email from someone who'd been reading my work, telling me how much they enjoyed it. I started messaging them back and fourth for a couple hours when they started asking about where I lived. When I asked why they started getting weirdly sexual, telling me if I answered them we could have a real wonderful time. I was still crazy awkward and still in the closet then so I refused to answer and told them I thought they were kinda creepy. This person didn't like my reply and started telling me that my work sucked and quickly turned to insulting me. I just stopped responding to them at that point.
that is WILD@@crotchwolf1929
bro that's like asking a gore artist to kill someone for you, this person's crazy 💀💀
i think you were messaged by the earliest ai ever designed by people studying how to drive someone to insanity
Man you know this guy hopped onto AI now
My seventh grade art teacher told me I would never be an artist if my sketches were so “scratchy”. Lol the funny part is that it was just a hobby and I had no interest in being a professional artist. I still don’t. But it’s a wild things to say to a 12 year old, unprompted.
Was your teacher stupid or???? 😭 it’s a SKETCH not the line art of course it’s gonna be a little messy
i had a similar experience but not with my art (thankfully)-
when i was in 2nd grade we were doing a "when i grow up" project or somethin, and i said i wanted to be a paleontologist cus i loved dinosaurs and she fr told me "hm.. you might wanna pick something else, your science grade is pretty low"
like lady i'm 7 T0T
@@Feddy816 The teacher probably meant that scratchy lines will distract your from getting the right form and a jumble mess of lines will distract the teacher to give you advice on what to improve, so the problem is lack of clarity tied to lack of good communication.
Don't blame the teachers if you're force to write forms every day after work and get payed lower than the hobby you have in selling fan art it's gonna make you second guess the life you have.
@@pandoranight3483 I feel like these types of teachers are just bitter and may be projecting
oh no, how dare the sketches have line petting, the very thing that CREATES SKETCHES.....stopping people from line petting is strictly for flat outlines. line petting may be appropriate for some fur or hair or to create different shapes, highligting, etc. become confident with long lines instead of small strokes on top of each other....FOR LINEART. even i do sketches like that sometimes. especially on paper. to build shapes, to keep the sketch light and make it darker in other areas.
Every time I find myself asking “wonder when Ponder will post again,” she magically posts the very next day.
I am magical.
real
Ty for summoning her
this happens to me a lot too😭i looked at her page the day she made a community post abt this video lmao
Do it more lol
I think the whole 'flattering an artist to break down their walls' is so prevalent and easy to fall for.
An example: A content creator I really liked kept shouting out my art and gushing about how wonderful it is on every stream, so when he and his friends (one of which WORKED IN THE COMIC INDUSTRY) came to me to do a six page fully colored comic on my own, and offered me 150 bucks on it only, I of course said yes. Even when they RANDOMLY ADDED THE SIXTH PAGE AND DID NOT COMPENSATE ME FOR IT. Bc I liked them, they kept flattering me AND they were industry professionals so of course they'd know what to charge me, right? Wrong. I was SO undercharged for my work and then also kept giving them FREE merch designs that I only made a buck per sell on, but never was payed for the actual design.
And I never said a thing until years later bc I was like 'Wow this big voice actor and contentcreators flatters my art', so I was on the floor being walked all over.
It was a learning experience for me, but Jesus christ was I mad in hindsight at myself, and at them for exploiting my inexperience and naiveness.
imma keep it short and sweet:
asked to draw realistic female dog bits on an anthro sketch commission i was doing for 5 bucks
and they were also creepily talkative, and kept asking me questions about the peice and about my life and im like "dude im just tryin to get my 5 bucks can ya not"
Please tell me you've heightened your prices since then bestie ❤
@@theblackcatgirl7013 YEAH even for someone as moths-in-my-wallet broke as me, 5 is WAYYYY low for anything bigger than the roughest MS Paint bust sketch. Seconding "OP please say you raised prices???"
@@theblackcatgirl7013 i have i have yes! thats so sweet tho thank you, made my day!
Bruhh 🚬🗿
bro didnt this happen in ‘BOLAVLK/WEREWOLF’ by sournoodl
The thumbnail itself I can already tell this is gonna be a doosy
Not my story, but my graphic design professor had an awful first commission experience. It was for some children's book illustrations, but she hadn't included a limit on the amount of revisions a client could ask for. She ended up doing 4 or five *finished* multi page watercolour illustrations for the price of 1. Always put the number of revisions in your terms and conditions!
ALWAYS DO THAT OR MAKE THEM PAY EXTRA! I had one person who was asking me to make adjustments up until the lineart stage of their commission and I was so frustrated. They stopped REAL FAST when I said I would be charging extra if they wanted any changes after that. Gosh, I can't imagine having to do that with traditional materials. Doing it on the computer was bad enough.
Back in the day when I did commissions on amino (for literally like 30 amino coins if you know what that means yea I know I was twelve), I had a repeat “customer” who would constantly send me the most insane, detailed characters (I was in the Warrior cat fandom so imagine a nightmare of stripes and gradients) and then get actively mad at me and blow my phone up if I forgot something - amino used dms as a primary communication method so this person had CONSTANT access to me. After genuine hours of my 12 year old time working for them, they got pissy when I wouldn’t draw softcore porn for them and blocked me. Godbless 🙏
Bruh all of us who did commissions on Amino as preteens need to set up a support club or smt cuz tell me why i was taking on groups of characters in full historical dress for 50 Amino coins ☝️😭
@@sweetlittlenothing7696 yall are so crazy I stopped going on that app when someone asked me to treat them like an actual pet cat
I HAVE A PANIC ATTACK WHEN I SEE AMINO BECAUSE. IT WAS SO WEIRD
like someone I actually used to RP with in a PUBLIC chat when I was 14 asked me to draw my character like sitting on his character's shoulders. But she was a full on adult android so it was like he was basically asking for his OC to be like yk between her legs 😭😭😭
AND THATS JUST ONE EXAMPLE IM IN TEARS
@@scp-phenomenon014 amino was genuinely like the 7th circle of hell - and I was on (what I’d consider) one of the better ones. I remember I was on this thing called supportclan which was basically like a help line except instead of trained professionals it was teenagers on a cat site. U’d have randoms dming kids about their
personal issues, n the kids had to answer. There was a quota of people helped and everything so if u couldn’t keep up u’d be kicked out and socially shamed. I joined when I was like 13, and the very first message I got was someone worried that they were a sadist. Cut to me age 13 googling shit like “how do u know if ur a sadist” jfc i am so glad it’s pretty much dead now cause that should not have been allowed.
Amino is so horrible, sorry you had to go through that. 💀
Honestly this is a pretty good prime example to artist and YOUNGER artists when doing commissions to just..be careful honestly. Like-I still appreciate your other storytime video regarding the guy with the ✨ imaginable ✨ comic he was making apparently. I'm really loving the storytime videos as they give pretty good lessons to other artists. I hate how the art community members are for lack of better word being pushed around from commissioners when..we ARTISTS DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING?? Unless we are getting paid we don't have to stuff like this everyday.
Anyways lil rant over Happy New Year's folk's. Here's to 2024!
One thing I’ve learned from my years of commissioning, “The people who will ask for the most are gonna try to pay you the least.”
Artists who do commissions, always have a section in your TOS that says that after a certain number of corrections you’re gonna start charging and enforce it!! This will keep you from getting a bunch of super minor correction notes that are going to be very time consuming, but can also get frustrating when they ultimately don’t make a significant difference in the final product. I’m talking a slight tilt of the head 0.000003 inches to the left
Seeing my fanart featured made be feel better! (Chronic pain sucks) As for my commission story, nothing really stood out, all but one. I just got on Twitter, I know I know, and some random guy messages me. He wanted to commission me, awesome! I thought, the first red flag that I shouldn’t have ignored was he started talking about NSFW stuff right away, when he knew I don’t do that as he saw my commission sheet. I shut that down quick, so he tried to go a different route. The customer starts talking about a certain character being stuck in quicksand, I was weary but he reassured me that it wasn’t sexual at all. He almost had me until he sent a reference of what he wanted, which was linked to a NSFW account. Apparently this was a fetish of some sort, he tired to trick me into a NSFW commission when he knew I don’t do those sort of commissions. (Sorry for the long comment but I wanted to tell this story lolz.)
As someone who’s learning how to draw slowly I find it incredibly funny and also infuriating how stupid this dude was being. Like mf there’s thousands of how to draw books and even like you mentioned HE HAD THE VERY SAME MARVEL BOOK YOU DID LIIIIIIKE BRO. Idk people be shitty and I appreciate this video, it was really good and entertaining.
I hope 2024 treats you well and looking forward to the content you’ll be making
i haaaate being asked to teach someone how to draw. like use your EYES
Knowing my fanart is at the end of a Ponder Sprocket video will always give me that warm fuzzy feeling. Really appreciate you and the work you do for everyone. Happy New Year!! 🎉
Oh I have a weird commission experience, it's part of the reason why I now assert in my terms that the relationship between client and myself is strictly professional for the duration of the commission and I have the right to refuse service without a refund if they treat me like a therapist. Friendly chat is okay, but I don't want to know about your personal life like that.
So I got a commission from someone I had sort of interacted with on an RP discord server (it was fully PG, reminiciant of LARP but...online. Because of The Plague). It was for a full body, fully rendered piece of their character. Everything was going fine until all of a sudden this guy - who I was NOT friends with by the way - started venting about his personal problems to me. At first it was just "Oh school is rough" but then it escalated into "This guy needs a therapist" terratory. It got so bad I dreaded sending him updates because he'd be constantly venting about problems I mentally could not handle and if I tried to offer advice (like go to a therapist) he'd give me all these reasons why he couldn't do that. For every. Single. Thing. I suggested. Including calling a helpline or joining an online support group because...I don't even remember. I guess venting to the artist he paid £30 to draw his character to was a better solution. The piece turned out horrible because I was rushing to get him out of my hair.
Once the commission was done, he seemed to think that because he laid his heart bare to me (without me ever saying it was okay.) we were friends, so he'd send me memes or tag me in stuff but that stopped when I stopped responding.
He did a few other things that just gave me SERIOUS ick (like acting like a character I was making for myself was FOR HIM and he had ANY say over the characters looks??) so now I draw a wide berth.
Moral of the story: Don't let clients tell you about their personal life, it's weird. If you wouldn't say it to a subway worker or a starbucks barista, don't say it to your artist!
thats happened to me. dude's started paying me 10 bucks though so that's good.
That exact loophole exploitation is why I have the *first* thing in my tos be "I reserve the right to refuse any commission for any reason." It is worded firmly intentionally, so if I missed something in my ToS I can point back to it, lol.
This hits a little too hard for me. I just got scammed out of $200 less than 2 weeks ago because someone wanted me to draw their pet. I don't even do art commissions, but I was swayed by the flattery of my shitty art. Look out for scams, especially around payment sites.
That's so common right now. Believe me, if anyone asks for art of pet or family with high price it's most likely a scam.
I’m sorry to hear this happened! I’ve noticed there’s been a wave of scammers checking for artists. Best way I’ve found to sort them out is to check out the account sometimes it’s private or has no recent activity for months. I also ask about payment methods, most try to give you a digital check, please be careful of these payment methods
Yeah I’ve had my fair share of experiences where I’ve gotten scammed out of my work although I kinda blame myself more so for not pressing the person to pay up need be.
Yeahhhh. My sister got a commission but then started complaining about how they’re trying to pay her by sending money and asking for some back and I was like “girl that’s a scam. I’ve heard of this before”
Thankfully she didn’t give out bank info so she didn’t lose any money and saved her from a scam
I do not yet have a bad commission experience as the artist but this one artist i commissioned twice had a horrible habit or repeatedly white-washing my characters despite my repetitive corrections of their races and colours, they would rarely lighten other features in the drawing and if they did it was minor and could be chalked up to lighting, whilst they would completely lighten the skin and claim it was just their style.
I also knew they had the capacity to draw black characters, I didnt know WHY they kept making my characters white. Hell, the only reason i commissioned them was because they kept up this sob story of their parents being low wage workers and needing to make money for groceries and bills while still going to college full time.
After the second commission i shamelessly edited the skin myself, feeling guilted, used and completely done with the individual. As a result I had zero respect for them, and their art as an extension, and never looked back.
I have better - and kinder - artists around me now who actually draw my black characters as black so. 👉😎👉
[Edit; I cannot currently give funds to the fundraiser, but I have been sharing as much as I can in regards to the struggles going on in a bunch of other countries. Thank you for adding the fundraiser and I'll be heading over to it when I do have funds to spare.]
Yeah there's no excuse for that. At age 13 I already knew how to color drop from photos and avoid the "colorpicking the highlights on accident" thing. That's the least they could've done, get the skintones SOMEWHAT close enough
Ugh, definitely had similar issues with commissioner finding "loopholes" in my TOS. Once upon a time I had commissions available where I had an "any extra character is free" for my sketches. Note: Don't do this. It was meant for things like group shots or whatnot, and I NIAVELY assumed people wouldn't try to haggle or press me on my terms.
So this guy comes to my DMs like "Hey... about those sketch comms. You specified that any extra character is free, right?" So I replied yes, assuming them to understand I meant in a single piece. Nope! We ended up """agreeing""" to do four full color separate sketches for the price of one (Bc they were "so nice and generous and don't wanna take advantage of someone by pressing for more than four since I DID SAY IT WAS FREE AFTERALL", sigh). They did this multiple times.
As said in the video, it's my own fault for getting into it, but damn.
PS: OOHH CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT EVENTUAL AI VIDEO!!
at first I thought them asking for art tips and showing you their attempts was cute- like- your work is inspiring them to do art- THAT stuff REALLY warms my heart! But once they start being weird and demanding over you not replying or doing the art they ordered fast enough for them- THAT ruins everything. It really puckers my lips
Also a tip for those who read this- when taking commissions try and keep in mind of your motivation and wellbeing. If you find yourself thinking to yourself that this is too much work for a commission then you should probably charge more. Keep in mind that you can always change your terms of service. Just make sure the people who already commissioned you before the change know about the change. Also keep some food, water and meds close by so you don't gotta keep getting up to take care of those needs. DONT FORGET TO DRINK AND EAT
Oh boy, Parasocial bullshit! I hope it hasn't crossed any legal boundaries.
Edit: Sounds legalish, but incredibly painful. That would burn me out for a month at least.
I started doing commissions just recently, I don't have any crazy stories although someone tried to convince me to do color for free last minute with a guilt trip. I told them no.
I like how ponder makes the shading on their avatar's bangs look and function like an eye! I didnt notice at first and was a bit confused until, Bam! I figure out what it was haha
Real
Always ready to watch videos about weird shit in a storytime format
The worst encounter I had so far was on DeviantArt. I'm dumb and do simple drawing requests for free just to kinda get out there. Well, someone noticed and tried to get me to make them a full-blown comic for free. I dropped multiple times that a comic would not be for free, requests are a single image. They ignored that and sent me a massive list of "comic ideas" that was mostly age regression my little pony. I no longer use DeviantArt because of it lmao.
I used to do requests on dA when I was in my early teens because other people I knew did them. Got tricked into drawing what I realized years later was technically fetish art of some obscure character... and they had the nerve to nitpick the details of this drawing that they did not pay for. They also wanted me to do 5+ detailed comic pages. Told them respectfully to fuck off and I never did requests again.
Man, I actually see nothing wrong in someone asking how you did something - even if they are *trying* to outmode you, it's not going to work, and ultimately anyone willing to put in the work to gain the skill to *successfully* outmode you is going to learn they actually genuinely like art and would rather draw in their own style - but the WAY this guy went about it, and just kept doing it. Just freakin' wild.
I have never been the most creative person, only recently have I really been trying. But back in the day I was friends with an artist I really admired. They had this such cool ass fucking half Tim Burton, half Jet Set radio style and I couldn't get enough of it. I wanted to commission them, but they were very hesitant, saying they were not good enough to open commissions.
I would ask once in a while, but it was always the same response. I could never get a full story as to why they thought this but from what I gathered the recording group they were a part of was using and abusing her art for their own benefit. Demanding free thumbnails, pfps, outro cards, banners, emotes, everything because they were recording friends and because of "blackmail".
I think like 3 years ago, they were cut off and exhiled from this group and has since been almost radio silence. They still post art here and there, and holy shit their style has gotten so damn good, but they seem rather "beyond the point of anti-social and borderline fearful of interactions" now. They were a friend, and atlest to me, still are. I may not be an artist, but it pains me to see what tends to happen to the quiet and passive artsy types.
HOO BOY. For the most part, as a furry artist I've had some pretty positive experiences with commissions. But, one interaction with a customer that struck me as odd was one who included hyper fetish art as a point of reference unsolicitedly for a sfw headshot. And they hastily only acknowledged it by saying "hope you don't mind the NSFW hehe" after. Like dude you could've fucking ASKED beforehand if you weren't sure. It wasn't even as though they only had NSFW art I could reference of their character either, they had a sfw gallery that was perfect for reference. As well as the fact that y'know.... image cropping is a thing if the upper body of the character was all I really needed.
the way you're shading the golden parts of these pokemon is just so MAGICAL, slowly building up the shine is just *chef's kiss*
Gee willikers Scoobs, it's almost like most of the answers to the apprentice questions was "STUDYING ART AND THE HUMAN FORM"
I love your green swamp monster gremlin character so much, especially the eye highlights, but being able to see your purple and gold pokemon piece was an absolute new year's treat. Went through your DA the other day and ansolutely fell for this and the cat kigurumi skeleton, so seeing the way it came to be brings me so much joy
I love how you draw Pokemon omg Lunala is so prettyyyy! They’re my favorite legendary!
This story is a doozy- I’m on FA and I get messages of people advertising themselves in my notes/dms and it’s so annoying 😭 I get it- you need to make your money but constantly messaging people about your work and prices is not worth it, especially to someone like me who isn’t looking for art at the moment.
I JUST realized, three videos later of the drawing avatar that ponders HAIR highlights I was wondering why they were changing in such specific positions until I saw that the highlights was a EYEBALL, I focused a little closer and I chuckled to myself, what a clever direction sprocket 💕💕💕
I also noticed her octopus is based on a blue ringed octopus, lmao
Omg the details make me happy to pay attention more closely! Thank you for pointing that out ^^@@Silver_wind_1987_
I actually have 3 octopus characters~!
Fiend is the working partner of the character, Ponder Sprocket and he’s the one based on a blue ring and is also technically a cyborg. The other two are Herbert and Beithir. Herbert’s the deuteragonist of a comic of mine called “Idle Tentacles” and Beithir…. well… you’ll see a lot more of *her* soon.
@pondersprocket2274 I love blue rings, their adorable, poisonous babies. My OC silverwind has a pet scraplet named Pyro. She programmed to be able to speak and do various tasks like helping her in the lab. She rescued the little dude from a trash bin while walking home one night. (Silverwind is a cybertronian! And she's megatrons, daughter. Yes, imma nerd. ) she's my more...Op do what I want character.
My wildest commission experience is definitely the time my ex asked me to draw rûle 34 of myself 💀
Im an r34 artist.. What the diddly damn😭
@@mrpickles-hb6zx unhinged behavior 💀💀💀
My soul just shit itself out of my body with that one. My lord.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013 Yeah. It was even wilder being on the receiving end of it 😭😭😭
Absolutely wild story. Honestly, my own social anxiety would have made me shut down and just likely ghost the individual the moment a nude came. Just couldn't do it.
I had an experience ages ago while I more regularly did art, which, while not a formal commission was basically some rando popping into a Picarto art stream I was doing with a buddy. I was just trying to catch up on gift art since I just didn't think my work was good enough to charge for, and my art was solely for me and RP buddies. Then comes this person who asked for an OC request involving her dragon/pony based around MLP hugging Sans from Undertale. I was still super bad at saying no, so I did so reluctantly.
Now, it was just a somewhat messy digital sketch with no colors, I made that clear, and at first they seemed fine with it, but I remember them continuously as I went asking for small adjustments and add-ons that seemed like extraneous details. Things like hints of a background becoming an actual light background, then mild bits of color for things like eyes, detail on the faces in separate panels because it was initially just going to be a sideways shot of the characters hugging. Stuff like that.
I eventually had to have my friend outright tell me I think that they didn't need any more when I wasn't obligated to do anything for them to begin with before I said that what was done was done, and this was the best they were going to get from me for a request piece.
They took the final step of me putting my foot down well enough, but they had been persistent and pushy I remember until that point before I finally got firm with them.
Not anywhere near as bad as anyone else's commission horror stories, but still funny to look back on. But artists, please do love yourself enough to set firm boundaries and not budge with people who get unreasonable. The fact that someone is paying you for work doesn't mean they're owed you always saying yes to their whims if they're pushing their luck too much.
For people who want to know about the Ren character in the fanart feature, it’s from a game and anime called Dramatical Murders! I’m genuinely surprised to see that little guy I haven’t heard of the show in a few years.
in middle school when I first did commissions I had a classmate who kept making me draw her and one of her former teachers in obviously romantic situations. I was severely underpaid ( 2 dollars per comm) which made me loose a lot of money since I was wasting my art supplies . She'd made me draw the same thing 10+ times and would copy my art and show it to me ....the biggest commission I ever did for her was a piece with 12 people that cost her 10 dollars and to this day, 5 years later, she never fully paid .
So glad the solid color talk sprite is there now, I can finally understand the sprite eye hair highlight! I don't know why it was so hard for me before 😅
There will actually be *lots* more solid colour talk sprites to come~! Stay tuned~ 03
worst commission experience was an artist stringing me along for a year and then messaging me (emojis included) "i cant draw or give you money because im in school 😳😳👉👈" and then they kept posting personal non school related art they made and didnt message me at all until i gave them a do or die type of message regarding artist bewares or something like that. I havent commissioned an artist since money doesnt come easy to me and I dont wanna lose out on another 70+ on an artist who doesnt try communication or compromise and just tried to get away with saying "i wont be giving you anything at all"
I’d love to watch a video about marvel comics, I could honestly watch ponder talk about anything for multiple hours at a time
I’ve got like a 5 video series on the speculator boom planned for the future. That work?
Its Dramatical Murder and it hurts to know that I know. I had not expected to see it mentioned here in the fanart feature but knowing you also know it exists makes me feel better about my own forbidden knowledge.
I have unfortunately been a bad commission customer to someone in the past. I was really awkward, over shared random things, and tried to be friendly with everyone I talked to. The problem with this is that I came off way too strong and creepy to people. When I was younger I was dumb 💀 I didn’t understand how to talk to people at all. In current time, I have learned how to hold more professional conversations with people. I’ve commissioned artists and I have also taken many commissions from others ( cause I’m also an artist). My advice to commissioners and customers is that you should always, ALWAYS treat people with respect. An artist your commissioning is not your friend, they are someone who is working for you. Be patient with them, be polite, keep in mind they may be working on other projects or dealing with life. Artists, be kind to your customers.
But for the love of Michelangelo, do NOT ever act like the person Ponder had to deal with. And don’t take advantage of one another.
ARTIST TIP:
If a major part of your friendship with someone involves you consistently drawing free art for them (especially if the person rarely, if ever, talks to you outside the context of you drawing free art for them), they're probably a pretty shallow person who's only really interested in you as an asset rather than a person, friend, etc. I know there are probably some exceptions out there, but if your relationship seems to mostly entail either you drawing art for them to get their attention, or them coming to you requesting free art, you probably either need to examine your own sense of self-worth, the person's intentions behind socializing with you, or both.
You have value as a person, and you shouldn't have to constantly shower someone with gifts and offerings like they're a deity you worship just for them to spend time with you. If that's the feeling you have when interacting with a person you frequently draw free art for, you need to either talk it out with them or cut them out of your life entirely. If you try telling them you can't keep drawing free art for them and they suddenly almost never talk to you, they weren't a friend worth keeping.
Honestly I would've charged him for the teaching as its own thing for a pretty high price
Im so happy you're expanding your forms of content creation to what is best and most enjoyable for you! I also appreciate you using your platform to help congo sudan and Palestine :))
An artist I'd been commissioning regularly for the past few YEARS told me LAST MONTH that he hadn't felt comfortable taking commissions from me for a long time because it stresses him out to make corrections to the piece?? I was never pushy about it and I've always been polite, but damn, if you don't want to make the art the way the customer is PAYING you to and has already given clear instructions that you IGNORE, i dunno man, put that in your TOS maybe?!?! He never once hinted that he wasn't okay with doing revisions, and then when he finally got the balls to say what he meant, I apologised for stressing him out, didn't put up a fight about not being able to commission him anymore, and he told me we were cool and could still be friends. Then like 2 weeks later I found out he'd blocked me on every social without warning, over being offended at something I worded badly because I'm not good at foreseeing how every little nuanced thing I type could be misconstrued as insulting???? he then told me his reasoning for blocking me is "we're just not compatible as friends" and to be fair if he's gonna regularly have such breakdowns in communication he's goddamn right we can't be friends :)
Hhhhh I understand being a chronic people-pleaser and struggling to stand up for yourself, but I earnestly believe that not establishing your boundaries at the beginning is harmful not just to yourself but to the other person you're lying to. Have you ever felt the heart-wrenching horror from being told something along the lines of "I never actually liked you, I was just pretending I did because I was scared of your reaction" by someone you greatly admired? After genuinely believing you'd been making the cool person happy and comfortable for so long, only to suddenly find out you've actually been hurting and scaring them without ever realising? It feels like your very soul has been swirlied in a vat of ice.
To be clear this paragraph wasn't directed at you about this Apprentice weirdo. It was directed at SEVERAL people who have led me on to think we were good friends but had secretly hated my guts over something about my personality I can't control. So if anybody reading this needs to start enforcing your own boundaries, but you're too scared of offending them, think of it this way: by making it clear where y'all stand from the get go, you are doing them a favour as well as yourself.
i've thankfully never had an experience such as this; moreover, my commissioners are mostly people i somewhat know (or even know well) and they're very sweet and understanding, and even people i DON'T know personally usually show these qualities when i do commissions for them.
i feel like if i had a commissioner like this, i would've flipped them off at the very first question of "uhmmm how do you do this thing", finished the piece, sent it to them and blocked them for good. no thank you, i'm an artist, not a teacher (unless i MYSELF offer help to someone I KNOW).
Ohhhh my gosh, with bad commission experiences - it was a request technically, BUT STILL - i had this guy in my DMs on Twitter asking for a James the Cat drawing, right? So i do it pretty quick, send it to the guy, done.
NOPE
Dude had found my channel and - DESPITE NO DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND AND THAT I HADN'T POSTED IN A COUPLE MONTHS - proceeded to ABSOLUTELY lose his mind when it turned out that I had not created a speedpaint of the piece. Like he blocked me, then unblocked me, then swore at me, then accused me of scamming (again, this was a REQUEST and was UNPAID), and accusing me of somehow taking the piece away from him after he downloaded it from the dms???
Even worse, after I blocked him he ended up making a TON of accounts that I had to block and he harrassed me with on MULTIPLE platforms. Then he left me alone before COMING BACK SIX MONTHS LATER.
When that didn't work, he came back six months after THAT.
THANKFULLY after that I haven't heard from him since, but it was a ROLLERCOASTER.
I'm so sorry that happened to you, I can't even comprehend why anyone would get so intense about not getting a process video to watch. Even crazier that he never asked in the first place but his reaction is still not okay even if he did ask you nicely.
@@inkypunk honestly, it was an off the wall situation and I was SO happy for it to be over!
just checked out your channel from this comment, nice content
@@mazyllendya thank you, I appreciate that!
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np! i love finding cool art channels from comments on cool art channels lol, keep up the awesome art :P
I’m an artist. I used to have my commissions open but recently closed them due to bank issues. Because I had some brand spanking new free time on my hands, I taught an associate how to start commissions and what decent prices would be (Base price for bust/half/full, then added price for any coloring and etc). A month or so in, they built their own commissions sheet and started up commissions, also adding their own creative additions to their prices. I decided to commission them, because I liked their art style! I payed for a half-body of a flat-colored character, which would have ended up $20 USD ($27 CAD). I payed for the price they gave me, and a few days later I got my commission!
I was totaled to an extra fee for time spent drawing, anatomy, and coloring, additions I wasn’t told I had to pay for after. These are their additions;
+$5 for heavier bodytype
+$5 for both eyes being drawn
+$5 for a hooked nose (my character doesn’t have her nose shown anyway???)
+$5 for saturated color-scheme
+$5 for heterochromia (something my character did NOT have when i sent the ref)
And +$10 for stylus nib replacement.
I was told to pay an extra $35 USD after already paying $20, meaning I would be paying $83 CAD total for a halfshot of an unrendered character.
I didn’t pay the extra 35, and I didn’t get my commission. When asked for a refund, I was not given one, and I am no longer in contact with that user.
What the FUCK.
Tldr; artist charges unnecessarily high for a piece, many of their price-additions being not asked for and also pretty offensive. Art was not given, refund was not given. huge L.
Before I even offered paid commissions, I offered free comms (which is my mistake). The commissioner wanted an NSFW character ref, and while working on it. They would call me constantly wanting to casually chat when I didn't want to unless it was about the commission. I made up excuses to avoid them, they even did creepy things I won't get into. Tldr, I no longer offer free anything unless I know em. (Tried keeping this short to spare the comment section and my sanity).
I wanted all of those references and drawing guides you sent that guy while you explained about his pestering 😭 I just love process
The absolute WHIPLASH I got when I popped up in the credits, OH MY GODDDDD I'M SO HAPPY!!! I nearly ran into a wall--AHHH
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ME 🎉 😭 I'm giddy ❤❤
I've only ever been a customer for ONE artist and it was for a gifted month of nitro (and they're a friend of mine) but even I know that all of these commission stories just. Wouldn't happen in a physical job. It baffles me. I know the reason for that and all but you wouldn't walk in and ask the McDonald's worker for a cheaper meal. I've made this promise to myself that I'd make sure to not step my boundaries as a customer if I ever asked for a commission in the future. Like I know I'd be hella stressed in the position of the artist in all these stories I see on RUclips.
Man
This makes me kinda happy that I have a short tether when it comes to prodding like this. I normally have very few qualms with pissing people off if I myself am not in a good mood.
Definitely tell your clients that you wanna get more money out of a commission if you feel you deserve it. Even if you don't feel you deserve it, if you've been getting prodded more than four times to add shit, you should still add more to the price to balance it out
i'm a writer who keeps back-and-forthing with myself as to whether i should take commissions or not (so far leaning towards no) but if i do ever take commissions i will definitely learn from this video and make my terms of service and prices absolutely airtight 🙏
Not only am I happy that this video could help out, I support your pfp as a fellow Donatello fan~
i remember underpricing myself so bad that i would get 10 cents for a headshot that took me an hour to draw. so. that was fun.
Reminds me of an (arguably very small in comparison) run-in I had with someone I commissioned. I had paid them to draw a Shaded headshot of a fully white dragon OC i had at the time. The way they shaded it with various tones of purple made it look like the character had strange patterns on them. (They used a mixture of cell and blurred shading) so I asked them to leave out the shading completely and still offered to pay full price as to not have wasted their time. They heavily tried to insist that the shading looks good and that they disagree, took a bit of back and forthing to make them change it in the end.
I remember being able to watch full play through of Dramatical Murder before youtube got really tight with censorship. I loved Ren as a dog, wasn't feeling it when they made him human
blessed with another video! i really enjoyed watching this while putting some parts of my journal together
i’ve been scammed from artists unfortunately, at first it was from deviantart and i didn’t exactly care since points were slowly becoming less important to me
although i was scammed over 100$ bucks and never received my piece nor a wip so i just gave up since i wasn’t going to confront since i also hate confrontation aghh
to be fair, i paid for these BEFORE i even got any art piece, so it’s not like i had a problem (or still do) but oh well, you live and learn :)
Bae ironically being a good teacher by showing situations and how to properly act in them
Whenever I feel bad about myself, I just remind myself, “at least I’m not a parasocial fan on deviantart”. Like why can’t people just be… como se dice… normal?
my other sort of nightmare exchange was someone who i thought was a friend offering art trades twice to me, and this is on me since the first time they never did their part, andforgot that, then the second time they also never did their part, and then they soft blocked me on twitter a couple months after. so. yeah i dont try to make art friends anymore either
Bro, I never noticed until today that Ponder's sona/character's bang-highlights look like one giant eyeball thats so cool!!
I had an experience with an entitled artist.
To keep the story short I'd commission them to make a zebra slasher themed character. We had agreed to it costing $30 total from start to finish.
Well a few weeks go by and I'd decided to ask for a update. I got told a sketch had been started but was never provided a image to go off of. I figured they where just busy. So I let it be.
Two more weeks go by and I still wasn't getting updates on the progress at all. So I ask again. It was at this time that they claim they are broke and they haven't even started my commission. They then ask for additional funds or the piece isn't getting finished.
I explained to them we already agreed on a cost and I couldn't afford to pay more just to get it finished.
Three weeks go by and once again they refuse to give updates and are begging for money. Basically holding my commission hostage.
It was at this point that I asked for a refund. Which they claimed they couldn't/wouldn't offer.
At that point I'd had enough and soft blocked the artist. I ended up reaching out to a friend to do the piece and got it completely done for the same price I'd paid the other artist. Working with my friend went so much better.
So I'm here to tell everyone that artists can sometimes be bad people to. It's not just customers that feel entitled.
Not me but a friend commissioned a girl to make a reference of her fursona (around 150-200usd) and she just didn’t do it. I don’t know the specifics, but they somehow were on daily specking terms and this girl would ask my friend for more money constantly. Guilt tripping like “I can’t afford rent” or “my dads sick”. I think this would be the inverse of the clingy commissioner.
Yippee! Something to listen to as I continue my endless Stardew Valley grind. Thank ya, Ponder! :D
Is it bad that this is the first episode where I realized B's hair doubles as an eye? lol
this reminds me of when I started getting a lot of followers on Instagram rapidly in 2020. (I've been at a stagnant ~1100 now since I don't post much these days) and this person - definitely a kid - kept asking for advice on their art without even asking if I wanted to give it. THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE. I gave them some advice, then THEY JUST KEPT ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE for MONTHS. I even did a few video tutorials for them and such because I'm not great at explaining my personal process, it sort of just comes to me. eventually I just ghosted them and they got the picture. but dude. they were hardcore into my art which is flattering but maaaan they really should have paid for the amount of literal teaching I was doing for them. I hope they actually learned something and my advice paid off 💀 pisses me off to this day
Omg my Succubus Ponder got featured!! It’s kinda out of date now in terms of my skill but I’m so happy that you liked it and that you decided to feature it! ^^
someone once attempted to commission a not safe for work drawing of MY OC with rengoku from demon slayer having a bath together. I re-iterate... MY OC, that I MADE. I dunno what they were going for there but it was weird
Ive been doing commissions for over 13 years at this point and I've been lucky enough not to really have problem clients, except for one. It wasn't even that bad they were just -really- picky. Like, picky to the point of wanting fluff on the calf a certain way, and same with the chibi anime style wings a certain style. It was tiresome but they were a decent repeat client for awhile.
I can totally sympathize with wanting to know how your favorite artist does things but MAN I’m too anxious to order food at a restaurant I cannot fathom doing this-
Thanks for the video. Overall, it looks like buddy was trying to extort art lesson quality without having to pay art lesson prices (thankfully they can now start bringing back some of the cost by appearing in a story-time).
That was my exact thought process in making the video~
I really hope the guy who dragged you through this watches this video and feels deeply deeply embrassed
fr that person was borderline emotionally and sexually abusive. Ponder is too kind as to not name them
This isnt about me specifically!!
I actually have seen unreasonable artists in the community I'm in! A lot of it is issues with TOS
Theres an influx of artists that have made it impossible to own their designs because of TOS issues
The main one I can think of is someone in the community privated their OCs on ToyHouse and the designer tried to force them to make it public again or authorize them so they can see the design.
When the OC owner denied the designer this, the designer accused them of drawing nsfw or bigotted content with the OC because 'it shouldnt be a problem if theres nothing for you to hide!'
It was very not good
The person who owned the OC privated it because their stalker likes to harass them by taking their OCs and drawing unsavory art of the OCs just to harass the person
Which the designer was informed of and didnt care
Wild ride all around
Very public blowup
An artist I commissioned once jumped in to join a bunch of accusers (they weren't even part of the situation?) and I didn't like how they handled controversy so I told them to stop showcasing the art I had them make on their profile and comm sheets. They got upset over it and started ranting about my decision on their page lol.
As someone who commissioned you in the past, I hope I never gave you any kind of stress of any kind, Ponder, and I deeply apologize if I did! >
Can confirm that you were a great client and I had absolutely no issues working for you~
@@pondersprocket2274Oh, that's such a relief! You're someone I look up to when it comes to morality and reason, and I would hate to be someone who doesn't bring the best of times to your stress level.
I respect your choice in not doing any more commissions; I hope you have an awesome 2024, Ponder!
Don't do commissions, but in an art trade, I drew someone's oc and the piece they drew of my oc was traced over a piece of fanart I did a while ago >:[
W O W.
Raise your hand if you immediately knew it was Dramatical Murder that Ponder was talking about at around 49:09 👋
I never thought of the hair being an eye, very cool
Almost an hour long video?! Artists are eating well tonight
Not exactly a commission, but more so experience with art requests and why I only give art to friends I KNOW I can trust.
I’m going to call this user K for privacy sake. When I was fresh into being into Kingdom Hearts and religiously used Amino (I plan on leaving that hell app soon). I was open to taking requests, and K messaged me asking if I could make five separate pieces of his characters plus a cover page for his fan fiction. I said sure, and thought nothing of it. It was 2020, and i was bored. However. K would constantly ask for updates, and that slowly drained my motivation. On top of that, he made comments that rubbed me the wrong way, even after completing his request. Such things like saying my KH OC, Akari, has nothing but a story (this was when someone was asking if they could draw characters for a mural they were making to get to know people. Something K also participated in), questioned why I asked for advice from an artist on how to do a stained glass effect, take inspiration from him to make Monsters Inc. designs… and there’s one comment that lead me to start distancing myself from him: “well I’ve got you and Square Enix beat in KH originality, but you certainly put more thought into your characters. And time.” That rubbed me the wrong way, because SE is literally the company that makes Kingdom Hearts. I have had to let K know SEVERAL times that constantly asking for updates and being rude was demotivating and thus lowering the quality of the drawings he wanted me to make.
Another event that lead me to stop talking to K was when they gave me critique. They were talking about the exaggerated expressions in anime, they suggested that I thicken the lines. They then said “so that the less educated readers can understand it”. I felt so scummy, as I trust readers of my fan comic to put two and two together.
Eventually, he started asking me if he could help me with my comic. At this point in time, chapter five was at least 1/4th drawn and I was halfway through finishing chapter 16’s script. I admit: I was fed up. I let him have it and let all of my grievances known.
He later tried to guilt trip me by saying I was his only friend. I blocked him and got flagged for bullying just for that lmfao fortunately, the moderator checked in on me and I gave screenshots. Haven’t heard from K since lol
So that’s my bad, I guess, “client” story lol I’ve since learned that not only do I need to communicate more. But I have since learned to set boundaries especially since I was trying to focus on my own story. But I am glad that I learned to be more vocal about my boundaries with art and found some friends who are willing to give feedback on pages and support my silly little fan comic
As a huuuuge DC comics nerd, I'd love to watch a video of you talking abt 90s comics!!
This is the video that made me realize the shine on your avatars hair...is meant to be to an eye. Thats a neat intwresting desifn choice i already liked the design for sure :3
One of the experiences that I remember that ruined my friendship with that person was asking for a commission of two ponies cuddling nuzzling and a string of other words. English is not my first language so I looked up what nuzzling was to make sure I understood it right, which was rubbing of noses. Okay. I sketched that out and he blew up on me for not reading his mind on what he wanted, which was cuddling specifically. When I pointed out that I looked it up, he wrote an insult I can't for the life of me remember. Something something insult of my work 20$ drawing. After I've finished the work I never spoke to him again. I think he was mentally ill to be fair. I hope he's getting treatment.
So funny to see these sorts of bad commission experiences be a constant in the professional artistic journey across the board.
I had someone come to me about a commission for a RWBY character.
I started sketching, but barely knew how to make smaller or taller characters at the time. It was a lot of struggle, especially considering the client was really adamant on the OC being a specific size. I'd never gotten a commission that wasn't a very VERY nice friend before, so some things that should be mandatory just weren't part of my process, like being paid BEFORE I start working on a commission. At some point I sent a sketch, but the person didn't respond. I started to worry, but convinced myself it was just cuz the client was busy or something.
Fast forward about a few days (maybe weeks?) later and they send me a new piece they got featuring the sketch I'd made as a reference.
They'd taken my sketch, given it to someone else as reference, and another artist had made a piece based on it.
I hadn't gotten paid for anything, and just to rub more salt in that wound, I'd gotten a "this is what I was asking for and that you couldn't do" slap in the face lmfao
I recently had a commissioner request their usual character plus an outfit they'd picked out, and usually I send the client the completed sketch and have to have THEIR PERMISSION to proceed. like they have to give me explicit permission just in case they claim they didn't later. When I sent over the sketch, they asked me to tweak a few things and that's fine. That's what the sketch is for! But it eventually got to the point where they were sending me message after message to fix insignificant details that literally do not matter(ex: a piece of hair that apparently was supposed to cross under another piece, the thickness of the lips down to the pixel, and the one that really upset me was the size of a singular face tuft like BRO) and so I eventually told them in the most professional manner that all of these tweaks were small and all it was really doing was taking my time away from other comissions I had lined up that actually had due dates(because they ALSO would be upset if I didn't answer as soon as bloody possible). This activated baby mode and they began telling me how "I can't talk to them that way" and that I was being unfair. They even got to the point where they criticized me for raising my prices and that "it was very hard for them to get that money cause they don't have a job"(which then??? why would you commission me???) and even told me that they just talked their one friend out of "sewer slide" that day, which was a MASSIVE red flag to me. So what I ended up doing was keeping the $15 for the sketch, and refunding the remaining $65 since I had only done the sketch at that point, which I also sent to them. When I did this, the insults began flying and they even tried to accuse me of lying about it, because the transaction didn't show up immediately on their Paypal.
TLDR: person commissioned me, wouldn't stop requesting tweaks to the sketch to the point where I was behind on commissions with actual due dates, I voiced this to them that I can't keep making minor changes, they then began to insult and guilt trip me for this, so I kept a small percentage of what they paid for the work I had already completed and refunded them the rest.
Says a lot when a person claims to have had to help a friend through something as traumatic as "sewer slide" and use that as a means of explaining why *you* should be nice to *them.* Taking their alleged friend's trauma and mental struggles and making it all about themselves for the sake of present day benefit through emotional manipulation and guilt. Not to imply that having to aid a person in that cannot be traumatic because it totally can, but I generally think it makes more sense to be concerned about the person who attempted, not the person who quelled the attempt.
Sadly, I've had a *lot* of experiences with someone like this and I'm sorry that you were subjected to that, it's never fun and nobody deserves that kind of emotional manipulation.
@@pondersprocket2274 aha thank you! I mean, it’s like you said, a bad commissioners experience is like a rite of passage. If anything, it felt more like conversing with a teenager than someone of my age(and I did check during the conversation just to make sure). When it was brought up, I tried to empathize and show some support, but also remind them that it didn’t really pertain to the conversation at hand. I tried to keep it as civil as possible, but I’ve been manipulated with that sort of thing before, so I wanted to shut that down as soon as possible.
I feel extremely dumb for not realizing sooner that the highlights on your sona's bangs are supposed to represent an eye
Oh boi
I actually never received unwanted sausage pics either, outside of that one account requesting to follow me and when I open the profile I was met with a handful of these types of posts 😭😭
And luckily didn't have any terrible commission experiences either! I'm great at avoiding bad things I guess. Really the "worst" was when someone asked me to draw their OC without saying please and in a way that confused me if it's a commission or if they want free stuff. The OC they showed also looked like the head was traced from lion king and the body from an NSFW artists base. I was just like uuh sure heres my kofi. They didn't respond for days then blocked me lmao💀
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I just noticed after years of following you that the hair shine is an eye
oh i have a story! i was friends with a guy who would gift me stuff on steam sometimes. except he would then, despite me never asking him to give me money in any form, would force a commission on me even when it was something i definitely couldnt draw. this wasnt his only issue but it is one!
“throwing the pen at my brother” resonates with me- I once broke a really expensive tv because I threw a bic pen at him, don’t worry I didn’t learn my lesson, because I broke another tv within a year
i was going to say i love b’s new design and then my sober ass went back to watch another video and realized the eye detail in the hair has been there a couple years