Nearly jerked a tear when you were talking about the experiences through your life that were memorable but not necessarily fun. Great video, thank you.
except this is a fucking game. Some of us have an actual Real Life outside in the real world and come to gaming to unwind not get frustrated and waste out precious little free time. Once again the only people defendind tarkov are sweaty unemployed try hards and cheaters.
I think you're hitting on the main issue I have with Tarkov. This game hits me so viscerally that it stays with me even when I'm not playing it. While I can appreciate the accomplishment of a bunch of devs to make a game that is capable of effecting my physiology, I find it exceedingly stressful. It actually ends up limiting how much I can play the game.
I used to be in the same boat as you. I was so obsessed with EFT and wanted to get good at it so badly that i couldn't think about anything else. I literally had dreams that were just me playing EFT. Surviving a raid, hell, even just killing another player felt like a shot of heroin. But at the same time, every failure was absolutely crushing. I would often call it a day as soon as i survived a single raid because i would rather just stop playing than deal with the frustration of dying. Eventually i stopped playing solo because i simply couldn't maintain a positive attitude if i wasn't with friends. But even then the stress proved to outweigh the highs for me and i gradually stopped playing altogether. Now i just play the single player mod from time to time and im much happier. Lets me enjoy the same gameplay loop but with way less stress. Of course it isn't nearly as much of a rush as live EFT, but personally i would rather my games be a little boring as opposed to so intense that i hear footsteps in my dreams, haha.
@@yellowsaurus4895 Tarkov is always fun with friends because you can set personal goals and play for the sake of playing. It's when you obsess with missions or grinding for gear that the game becomes unejoyable. I'll usually only load in with a 50K kit. Something like an SKS, PACA and Steel Pot. I don't care if I lose it as long as I die taking a few players or bots with me. Learning to treat the game casually was what it took for me to begin enjoying it for all it offers.
@Dylan Wight well yes, but all games are more fun with friends so that's really not saying much. And im gonna have to disgaree with your second point: for me, completing quests and grinding for better gear is 100% the only thing that's enjoyable in Tarkov. I'm obviously in the minority with this opinion, but i really don't like the gunfights in EFT. For all the praise it gets, Tarkov has got to be one of the clunkiest and worst-feeling games I've ever played. There are a myriad of fps games that are way more fun and less time consuming if i just want to shoot people in the face. The thing that drew me and im sure many other players to EFT is the uniqueness of its gameplay loop, not the gameplay itself.
@@dylanwight5764 and i mean, as much fun as it would be to play more casually, I don't have that luxury. I'm lucky if i manage survive more than 3 minutes into a raid; I can't afford to bring in 50k worth of gear just hoping to get a couple kills. And now thanks to the way they changed the flea market and found in raid status on items, it's even harder for someone like me to make money than it was before.
I remember playing Tarkov for the first time and sitting in a corner with a P226, feeling my heart beat in my neck. Scared to even move and panicking when I saw another human. Tarkov does not feel fun. But you definitely feel something when you play that keeps you interested
I just started to play Tarkov, and it’s the most intense Game I’ve ever played. I am level 7 now, and upgraded to the Edge of Darkness edition. I love this game! Last week I played a woods night raid, i was sneaking around and tried to figure out where I am, and where I have to go. I heard the sound of someone turning around, and hitting the bushes. My heart rate was over 9000! I spotted him, saw him turning slowly to find me, because he heard me too. I one tapped him with a straight shot in to his ear. I waited a few minutes, and sneaked over to loot his body, got a full modded Svds with a thermal scope on it, and other nice stuff. Most satisfying moment since playing FPS games! (Started with CS 1.4) ✌🏻
Sure it's not a cute fantasy game where you shoot rainbows happily, but if you succeed at a raid, like the experience and want more, it's fun. Fun means entertaining, not funny.
I lost every ounce of interest the second I noticed rate items I find once an entire wipe if I'm lucky loose any ability to be marketed cause I died with them in my ass.
Man, this was extremely well worded. Masterfully thought out and explained. If I ever want to make someone understand why I'm a gamer I'll show them this video. Great job!
This is a great perspective, that over the years I've played the game, I've never had and it really does do a lot to change the way I look at certain aspects of the game, and very much make me look forward to rest of this series!! Good job:)
I dunno, I just call disconnecting right before a player pushes you or when a grenade looks like it went through a window but didn't etc, being tarkov'd
As a fan of horror games, I think I know exactly what Nikita means. The feeling of having lived through a precarious and stressfull situation, but having overcome that challenge. Its kind of joyous, buit also makes you feel really alife. I guess that kind of fear for your life is usually something we dont get anymore in our modern lifes, but games can unlock some of that. But of course, that means you have to overcome it. One of my clearest experience with games in that regard would be finishing Amnesia, pretty much one of the most terrfying things ive ever played; or when I was younger, watching the grudge and the ring. Overcoming movies, even most horror games isnt hard though; its just continuing onwards. Tarkov has a much higher barrier, because succeeding means often hundreds of hours of improvement, but one that is satisfying in much more ways, and much procedural and open. Its, besides Starcraft 2 multiplayer, the only game that really truly stressed me out. But I also keep playing it for the feelings of success and progress it can provide, the crazy tense situations and how even in defeat I can sometimes find some successes. I wonder how that feeling will change, should I actually reach a thousand hours in the game (atm im like 300h, prolly pretty bad for that much time). Eg someone like Pestily, who played it for an unbelievably long time, seems to still gain a metric ton of joy out of Tarkov.
You're such a thinker Veritas, your mind mustn't stop! I love how your content always feels to me like in a moment you're like "Hmmm, well this moment/idea/issue intreguid/irritated/stuck with me, I'm going to touch on that briefly" and it ends up a kind of in depth but focused philosophical assessment 😂. Keep it up bro, I must read The Jaunt!
Alright, watched through. Very good point on the idea behind Tarkov to be "satisfying/fulfilling" rather than "always fun." Also, good summary of "getting Tarkov'd" detracting from said fulfillment due to unforseen issues, and not direct/intentional game design.
800 hours under my belt in Tarkov, and i still remember the first time i won an against-all-odds solo fight against a squad. I remember every aspect of it, from the armor i was wearing, to the ammo i was running, to the loot i got out of raid. All of it, and i remember it like it was yesterday. It was such an incredibly exciting experience unlike anything I've ever experienced in a video game, and the part of my brain that stored that memory wasn't triggered by "fun," it was triggered by fear and dread, and the ultimate triumph over it.
Very good video Veritas. I applaud you finding Latin to be interesting and enlightening, one piece to the puzzle of seeing everything in bigger picture.
My man is a segway genius. I wasn't sure where it was going in parts of the video, yet it kept me hooked. Well done and helped me understand what Nikita means rather than resent it. Thanks for the hard work.
When Veritas mentioned how living vicariously through Roleplaying can lead to untapped emotions and experiences that are near impossible to achieve in reality brought light to a previous feeling i once had about how roleplaying in video games has helped train my imagination and nervous system to become more intune with exhibiting empathetic behaviour amongst friends, family and passerbys. i'm just some shit head trying to get it right in life.
I would say, that Battle State isn't trying to make something that garuntees fun, but rather, a chance at fulfillment. A chance to beat the odds, and a chance to win through skill, hard work, time, and sacrifice. I would say, quite simply, that they aren't trying to make a game. They are making art.
Games are art, and all those things you just mentioned are basic game design. Tarkov is fun, despite what these guys think. Its just frustrating as well. And the struggle to get those great raids is part of the challenge, and increases how rewarding it can be when things go well.
It is art. But the real art of gaming is creating the situations and circumstances where even a beginning player can have some minor success, encouraging them to keep trying. It is at the moment Tarkov's biggest issue, the hurdle to jump to be reasonably successful using whatever measurement suits you is perhaps a little too high. Just like any other gaming network, Tarkov need enough new player grist for the regular player mill. Historically, when a game fails either to attract or worse to maintain interest, it fails. Please consider the all mighty Fornite, you only have to scan for "is fortnite dead" to realize that it's salad days are way past already. Tarkov in remaining a beta product for years is running the risk of burning out the potential player pool before making a product that is appealing enough to enough people to keep it rolling.
@@OldManBadly Yeah, I agree with the new player thing. its hard to get a new person to start playing when death is around every corner. I think they need to add a low loot value map that you can only access between level 0-10. just to ease new players in.
Yeah as others have said, games and art are one in the same the only difference being that gaming is a form of interactive art, what you've stated isn't a particularly good argument. but if you're not enjoying Tarkov because you don't feel like you can learn due to the complexity, size and ruthlessness of the combat, solo tarkov is a option and after some solo practice with actual progression so you can learn some missions and weapons properly and eventually you'll be gagging for some proper PvP back on the official servers because you'll actually have a bit of confidence with maps, have a basic understanding of what weapons you get on with rather than just being the free and easy kill for veteran Tarkov plays who have been playing for several years. BSG should genuinely be taking notes, incorporating solo tarkov into the game would open it up to so many more people and ultimately get more people into PvP
@@psyanide1603 I agree. I have played some in the offline mode, but I realize it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Without the inherent risks, there is little return. I am a fish in Factory normally, but offline mode I take out a dozen SCAVs without too many issues. So there is a bit of back and forth. Letting new players enjoy a solo situation for the first couple of levels probably wouldn't hurt!
Most of the comments i saw said, well everything i was thinking about after watching this. Still, wanted to say thank you for producing such awesome content, it feels deep, refreshing and more feelings that i can't express because of language barrier, still learning. Big up from France dude, i really love your content, been following you for 3 Years+. Keep it up, please for the sake of having clean content around.
When you have to pause the video to hit the like button because even half way through this deserves your appreciation more than anything you watched all day. Came for some meme fun against Tarkov and left rethinking real life experiences. Bravo
This is God tier content. Well Done. Puts into words, sounds, and visuals what ultimately the game means to me. And regardless of how it gives me the most frustration - the overwhelming satisfaction it can provide is why it has been my number 1 game for over a year now. Love it.
I really like how you think of things in a philosophical, theoretical way. I love listening to your long winded thoughts that go much deeper than the typical analysis of a certain subject. Keep up the awesome work.
Not only as a amateur linguist but as a self reflective human being, this video hit me in all the right spots. It made me look at how I see and play tarkov and why I love it so much. Thanks for this superb videoessay.
I thoroughly enjoy watching the people play the game, and the idea. But as much as I want to believe it doesn't need to be fun, it kind of does by nature. A wise man once said, "if it's not fun, why bother" and it's true, if the game is not fun to play, why bother. But other people do enjoy it so they do have fun. But if a person specifically has no fun when playing it, why bother? Because it's not fun. Either way, great video man!
I hope you are proud of your content man cause this shit is awesome and no one else I know is doing stuff like this. I really appreciate your intellectual insights into things and how they relate to gaming ❤️
Easily the best video you've ever made Veritas, Bravo. I think you just found your calling on RUclips with longer format Video Essays. I need more of this injected in my veins -Lazarus
Really puts in perspective on what Nikita wanted the game to be and it all makes sense now. he's an artist and the game is his canvas and he is painting the Mona Lisa. I think I speak for most of the EFT community when I say I didn't understand why Nikita said the game shouldn't be fun but we took it too literally.
I agree with this a lot, and there are really only a few games I can think of that give me such moments of frustration but also such senses of accomplishment and triumph. Like those moments when you've had a rough few raids, you've lost a lot of your best gear, and you go into a raid with a pistol and a prayer and end up getting the drop on someone much better geared, or find some nice gear and get out with it. Being in intense fights that lats for what seem like an eternity and having to adapt on the spot to try to not only prevail, but just survive. It's a swath of emotions that paint a much larger picture.
Wasn't sure what to expect with this video but it was well done and thought-provoking. These are the type of videos where I feel like your skillset really shines. @Veritas Thank you for contributing this kind of stuff to the community!
I think there is an important distinction between terms like fun, enjoyment, satisfaction, etc. These terms are often used interchangeably even though they may be mutually exclusive. And they are also often influenced by their counterparts, for example, it's more satisfying to beat a Dark Souls boss after being stomped and frustrated for days.
This is exactly the type of videos the tarkov community needs to see every once in awhile. So well executed, and certainly changed the way I look at it now too.
I appreciate a video like this that stimulates my mind and took thought/creativity to make, a far cry from most of the low IQ “content” most “creators” are getting rich off of...good work bro 🤘🏻
I sure do love the experience of falling through the floor at Mach 9. On a completely unrelated note, great video with compelling narration and fantastic editing. Games need not always be 'fun', but then again, 'fun' is subjective. What others may view as 'fun', some may view as boring, or even torturous. Like P90X, some people have a blast feeling like they're about to die, and others just feel like they're about to die, without the, "having a blast" part. 'Fun' changes over time as well, what was fun when you were nine is most likely not 'fun' when you're twenty, or maybe it is for you, but not for others. There is no, and will never be, an exact way to word 'fun' for each person alive, but for each person, they'll, "Know it when they see it".
Extremely good video Veritas. I've said basically what you said before. I play the game for the emotion it induces. The vertigo, the adrenaline, the stress, the accomplishment it produces. I love tarkov to bits. No game has given me the same feeling.
This is exactly why I started playing tarkov. It's hard but rewarding when you get it right. I still get scared if I'm in a room alone and I hear a 5 man heading my way. This is exactly why I love tarkov and dark souls
I remember once in shoreline. Got into the powerplant when I heard someone outside. Not knowing if it was a pmc or npc, I stayed there for the remaining 19 minutes lol. Tried scaring them off, looking through the windows, but never left. The fear and pride I felt wouldn't let me. Losing it all to the game going MIA was a far better option than giving my shitty gear and pathetic loot. At that time, I remember the fear and despair. It felt real.
The very reason you listed for good games existing is why, as an example, the first Medal of Honor games was made in a leap of faith. I still remember playing MoH Rising Sun as a 6 year old; let me tell you, that was not easy, but I still remember that feeling of defending and watching as Pearl Harbor, and USS Arizona, is destroyed before my eyes, with the music to match. It's not a happy scene, it was horrible....jaw dropping. It *demanded* your attention. That's how games should be.
The reason I keep coming back to Tarkov is because this is the only game that has ever actually got my heart pumping not even real life has had me so fucking pumped up and ready to literally fight for my life (maybe cause I never really done anything in my life but lets not talk about that)
I love this style of video! Really engages my brain and opens my mind in a different way! It's great to hear an intelligent take on this sort of topic and looking forward to seeing the future segments of this. Fully agree with the sentiment around the game not necessarily feeling fun but the enjoyment and fulfillment coming from a different place to your usual AAA title. Also agree that progression for this game won't come from making it easier/harder/more fun etc.. but more to do with immersion and its ability to make you feel more while playing it. Thanks for the awesome vid Veritas!
Yeah, the feeling Tarkov leaves me is pure frustration because of how broken the basic mechanics of recoil control alone causing missed shots, misaligned sights, zeroing not working, ammo not working properly vs armor etc etc and etc etc.
that's why i had to put it down its a super broken game. People just say get good when they really mean just spend 500 hours grinding skills and farming money so you can use gear that works consistently and even then you got a bunch of random variables to worry about. I mean for fuck sake its a time investment as is learning how this monstrosity of a game even works. I have you know a job and school i cant be bothered with this shit.
Even though I'm not able to watch much anymore since having to start adulting, I always love to see and watch an amazing video from you as always V :D Cheers to another fantastic video and almost 13 months on twitch!
That feeling of absolute anxiety as you go through a solo raid with no idea what to do? Yeah, that is definitely one hell of an experience. Tarkov nails it.
Very good video Veritas. This brings up something that has frustrated me about the game, and it has nothing to do with “fun.” The part where you explained that the "veteran" community (Especially pro/popular streamers) start to emotionally plateau and receive less satisfaction from game makes perfect since to me. I used to be a door gunner in a UH60 Blackhawk, the first couple years I literally couldn’t imagine anything cooler, by year 10 it was boring (outside of combat). The issue I take with this phenomenon, is when those veterans have the majority of the (heard) voice when it comes to proposed changes to the game. When Nikkita is sitting in a chat with 5 bored players all giving their opinion on game changes, it looks like most of them are trying to make the game harder so they can get the same amount of enjoyment that they once did.
For me, "Gettin' Tarkov'd" has very little to do with whether I find the game enjoyable, or "fun". Yes, the experience of "Getting Tarkov'd" does diminish the enjoyment factor, but it doesn't strip it away completely. In my eyes, coming from Arma, where the therm "Gettin' Arma'd/DayZ'd" originated from, the "Gettin' [X]'d" experience has more to do with a weird, minute and rare occurrence, akin to a glitch or bug (and most usually *an* actual glitch or bug permitting the specific occurrence), which leads to an immediate negative experience, but isn't a constant issue. To that end, "Getting Tarkov'd" would be something along the lines of an 0.7 AI Scav lasering you with a TOZ through a rock from 20 meters away. Or you emptying a 60-rounder of M995 into a Raider's head, only for him to turn around and headeyes you through your Altyn because the server was out of sync. On the other end, I wouldn't consider getting sniped from the other end of the map as a "Gettin' Tarkov'd" moment. Shitty and unpleasant, sure, but not the same as, while definitely "unfair" - not at all random, unavoidable, or dependant on any sort of bug or glitch (except when it is, in which case - refer to above). In this regard, I don't see why "Gettin' Tarkov'd" should, or in fact would, make the game less enjoyable on the whole. Now here's the thing. For me at least, from a linguistic point of view, the "fun" Nikita refers to when talking about Tarkov sounds more like it's intended to mean the "gleeful" type of fun, like when you're watching your favourite comedian or a good movie. In that meaning, no part of EFT is "fun" - at no point do I remember either myself or anyone I've played with being rapturously gleeful while playing Tarkov. Yes, sure - we've been cheerful, at certain moments, usually after great fights, but most commonly - the cheerfulness comes from our rapport more so than our exploits in the current raid. And more importantly - it remains even after we get squad-wiped by Killa after he super-slides into us through a frag and a flash. Does that mean the game's not enjoyable - not at all. It's just a different kind of enjoyment that's harder to classify as objectively "fun".
This is very well stated. There needs to be a conversation, but not out of hate but how to make the enjoyment happen over the user frustration of weird things happening.
Almost broke my monitor today out of frustration. Never really lose my composure, but Tarkov really got to me today. Spawn snipes, constant disconnects, late spawns, losing mil after mil. And what does youtube reccomend....this. lol EDIT after watching: Its honestly what I needed. A refresh on the perspective. Thanks man.
12:35 - 13:11 you need a montaaage (montage) even Rocky had a montaaage! (Montage) 🎶 Found this channel by searching your name after seeing your streamer clip and thinking, “That game looks familiar.” Didn’t expect you to be touching on some thought-provoking shit, very well done.
As you said, I don't know if this is exactly what Nikita meant when he said 'EFT is not meant to be fun.' But all the points you made throughout the video are very valid and the only way to move forward as a community is to stop whatever shenanigans are going on right now. Otherwise, we'll never get a chance to experience this game in the way developers had intended in the first place.
i do remember my first raid on woods i literally stood behind foliage and i was scared to move for 10 mins while my first shoreline while it was half i thought everything around the swamp was full of snipers :D . Funny part after all these years its always good to play the game all emotions are strong yet and thats why i love tarkov , every raid i am immersed with the game and actually i am having fun without the need to have fun . Amazing video as always veritas !
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Now I kinda want to do an audiobook-style read through of The Jaunt as a video for the channel... hmmmm....
Do it, You won't, I dare you.
I'd listen to it.
fuckin do it
Please do this, i find your voice very calming. I truly enjoy listening to your brain spill its guts in the most articulate of ways.
Please
Back when I had hair...
Had to do a double take when I saw your comment
I did not expect to see stilymoist here
Pestily is 🦄🐄❤️
Can can always try bald with different types of facial hair could look good
What's your favorite building on Reserve?
Nearly jerked a tear when you were talking about the experiences through your life that were memorable but not necessarily fun. Great video, thank you.
almost got two out of me
except this is a fucking game. Some of us have an actual Real Life outside in the real world and come to gaming to unwind not get frustrated and waste out precious little free time. Once again the only people defendind tarkov are sweaty unemployed try hards and cheaters.
I think you're hitting on the main issue I have with Tarkov. This game hits me so viscerally that it stays with me even when I'm not playing it. While I can appreciate the accomplishment of a bunch of devs to make a game that is capable of effecting my physiology, I find it exceedingly stressful. It actually ends up limiting how much I can play the game.
I used to be in the same boat as you. I was so obsessed with EFT and wanted to get good at it so badly that i couldn't think about anything else. I literally had dreams that were just me playing EFT. Surviving a raid, hell, even just killing another player felt like a shot of heroin. But at the same time, every failure was absolutely crushing. I would often call it a day as soon as i survived a single raid because i would rather just stop playing than deal with the frustration of dying. Eventually i stopped playing solo because i simply couldn't maintain a positive attitude if i wasn't with friends. But even then the stress proved to outweigh the highs for me and i gradually stopped playing altogether. Now i just play the single player mod from time to time and im much happier. Lets me enjoy the same gameplay loop but with way less stress. Of course it isn't nearly as much of a rush as live EFT, but personally i would rather my games be a little boring as opposed to so intense that i hear footsteps in my dreams, haha.
@@yellowsaurus4895 same i absolutely cant play solo and even after few raids with friends im psychically exhausted
@@yellowsaurus4895 Tarkov is always fun with friends because you can set personal goals and play for the sake of playing. It's when you obsess with missions or grinding for gear that the game becomes unejoyable. I'll usually only load in with a 50K kit. Something like an SKS, PACA and Steel Pot. I don't care if I lose it as long as I die taking a few players or bots with me. Learning to treat the game casually was what it took for me to begin enjoying it for all it offers.
@Dylan Wight well yes, but all games are more fun with friends so that's really not saying much. And im gonna have to disgaree with your second point: for me, completing quests and grinding for better gear is 100% the only thing that's enjoyable in Tarkov. I'm obviously in the minority with this opinion, but i really don't like the gunfights in EFT. For all the praise it gets, Tarkov has got to be one of the clunkiest and worst-feeling games I've ever played. There are a myriad of fps games that are way more fun and less time consuming if i just want to shoot people in the face. The thing that drew me and im sure many other players to EFT is the uniqueness of its gameplay loop, not the gameplay itself.
@@dylanwight5764 and i mean, as much fun as it would be to play more casually, I don't have that luxury. I'm lucky if i manage survive more than 3 minutes into a raid; I can't afford to bring in 50k worth of gear just hoping to get a couple kills. And now thanks to the way they changed the flea market and found in raid status on items, it's even harder for someone like me to make money than it was before.
I remember playing Tarkov for the first time and sitting in a corner with a P226, feeling my heart beat in my neck. Scared to even move and panicking when I saw another human.
Tarkov does not feel fun. But you definitely feel something when you play that keeps you interested
I just started to play Tarkov, and it’s the most intense Game I’ve ever played. I am level 7 now, and upgraded to the Edge of Darkness edition. I love this game! Last week I played a woods night raid, i was sneaking around and tried to figure out where I am, and where I have to go. I heard the sound of someone turning around, and hitting the bushes. My heart rate was over 9000! I spotted him, saw him turning slowly to find me, because he heard me too. I one tapped him with a straight shot in to his ear. I waited a few minutes, and sneaked over to loot his body, got a full modded Svds with a thermal scope on it, and other nice stuff.
Most satisfying moment since playing FPS games! (Started with CS 1.4)
✌🏻
Idk man. Awesome vid but I still just call it fun. Fire fights are fun to me, period. Winning is fun, but fun isn’t winning.
Sure it's not a cute fantasy game where you shoot rainbows happily, but if you succeed at a raid, like the experience and want more, it's fun. Fun means entertaining, not funny.
I lost every ounce of interest the second I noticed rate items I find once an entire wipe if I'm lucky loose any ability to be marketed cause I died with them in my ass.
@@accountdatenvergessen6528 You missed the best time for the game already. It's not accessible for normal people with jobs and a life now.
I like how such an intuitive video essay spawned from one word Nikita couldn't think of. Very well done.
This is extremely well made.
I agree except for the distortion overlays its annoying to look at.
Totally agree. I love his analytical approach to all aspects of his content.
I'm loving this long-form video essay style that youtubers are going with nowadays.
It really is
First moonshine scav run of the new patch ... and i get the Veritas guitar pick ... pog
lol same xD
Man, this was extremely well worded. Masterfully thought out and explained. If I ever want to make someone understand why I'm a gamer I'll show them this video. Great job!
This is a great perspective, that over the years I've played the game, I've never had and it really does do a lot to change the way I look at certain aspects of the game, and very much make me look forward to rest of this series!! Good job:)
I dunno, I just call disconnecting right before a player pushes you or when a grenade looks like it went through a window but didn't etc, being tarkov'd
That is indeed being Takov'd, in one clear sentence. Nice work mate.
Expectation is the root of human misery
Veritas: Come for figuring out how the hell to play Tarkov, stay for some of the most thought provoking content on game design on RUclips
I was curious about The Jaunt when you mentioned it, so I paused the video and read the story.
THANKS
Do more of this content - I want it man. Even just straight etymology videos.
Your use of entomology instead of etymology really bugs me. Lol. 😂
Next Veritas video is an insect science video confirmed
@@MrBasilDuke I beyond appreciate that comment hahaha
@@AdRandy hahaha so right. No more commenting on youtube videos before bed for me
As a fan of horror games, I think I know exactly what Nikita means. The feeling of having lived through a precarious and stressfull situation, but having overcome that challenge. Its kind of joyous, buit also makes you feel really alife. I guess that kind of fear for your life is usually something we dont get anymore in our modern lifes, but games can unlock some of that.
But of course, that means you have to overcome it. One of my clearest experience with games in that regard would be finishing Amnesia, pretty much one of the most terrfying things ive ever played; or when I was younger, watching the grudge and the ring. Overcoming movies, even most horror games isnt hard though; its just continuing onwards.
Tarkov has a much higher barrier, because succeeding means often hundreds of hours of improvement, but one that is satisfying in much more ways, and much procedural and open. Its, besides Starcraft 2 multiplayer, the only game that really truly stressed me out. But I also keep playing it for the feelings of success and progress it can provide, the crazy tense situations and how even in defeat I can sometimes find some successes. I wonder how that feeling will change, should I actually reach a thousand hours in the game (atm im like 300h, prolly pretty bad for that much time). Eg someone like Pestily, who played it for an unbelievably long time, seems to still gain a metric ton of joy out of Tarkov.
You're such a thinker Veritas, your mind mustn't stop! I love how your content always feels to me like in a moment you're like "Hmmm, well this moment/idea/issue intreguid/irritated/stuck with me, I'm going to touch on that briefly" and it ends up a kind of in depth but focused philosophical assessment 😂. Keep it up bro, I must read The Jaunt!
Alright, watched through.
Very good point on the idea behind Tarkov to be "satisfying/fulfilling" rather than "always fun." Also, good summary of "getting Tarkov'd" detracting from said fulfillment due to unforseen issues, and not direct/intentional game design.
800 hours under my belt in Tarkov, and i still remember the first time i won an against-all-odds solo fight against a squad. I remember every aspect of it, from the armor i was wearing, to the ammo i was running, to the loot i got out of raid. All of it, and i remember it like it was yesterday. It was such an incredibly exciting experience unlike anything I've ever experienced in a video game, and the part of my brain that stored that memory wasn't triggered by "fun," it was triggered by fear and dread, and the ultimate triumph over it.
Your editing and vision for videos is getting to be next level. You do such a spectacular job.
Very good video Veritas. I applaud you finding Latin to be interesting and enlightening, one piece to the puzzle of seeing everything in bigger picture.
My man is a segway genius. I wasn't sure where it was going in parts of the video, yet it kept me hooked. Well done and helped me understand what Nikita means rather than resent it. Thanks for the hard work.
When Veritas mentioned how living vicariously through Roleplaying can lead to untapped emotions and experiences that are near impossible to achieve in reality brought light to a previous feeling i once had about how roleplaying in video games has helped train my imagination and nervous system to become more intune with exhibiting empathetic behaviour amongst friends, family and passerbys.
i'm just some shit head trying to get it right in life.
We all are brotha
Welcome to being a sociopath. We have meetings on Wednesday’s.
im not sure you know what a sociopath is... and im not a sociopath btw. sorry bubby. i dont fake emotions to get people to like me.
I would say, that Battle State isn't trying to make something that garuntees fun, but rather, a chance at fulfillment. A chance to beat the odds, and a chance to win through skill, hard work, time, and sacrifice. I would say, quite simply, that they aren't trying to make a game. They are making art.
Games are art, and all those things you just mentioned are basic game design. Tarkov is fun, despite what these guys think. Its just frustrating as well. And the struggle to get those great raids is part of the challenge, and increases how rewarding it can be when things go well.
It is art. But the real art of gaming is creating the situations and circumstances where even a beginning player can have some minor success, encouraging them to keep trying. It is at the moment Tarkov's biggest issue, the hurdle to jump to be reasonably successful using whatever measurement suits you is perhaps a little too high. Just like any other gaming network, Tarkov need enough new player grist for the regular player mill. Historically, when a game fails either to attract or worse to maintain interest, it fails. Please consider the all mighty Fornite, you only have to scan for "is fortnite dead" to realize that it's salad days are way past already. Tarkov in remaining a beta product for years is running the risk of burning out the potential player pool before making a product that is appealing enough to enough people to keep it rolling.
@@OldManBadly Yeah, I agree with the new player thing. its hard to get a new person to start playing when death is around every corner. I think they need to add a low loot value map that you can only access between level 0-10. just to ease new players in.
Yeah as others have said, games and art are one in the same the only difference being that gaming is a form of interactive art, what you've stated isn't a particularly good argument. but if you're not enjoying Tarkov because you don't feel like you can learn due to the complexity, size and ruthlessness of the combat, solo tarkov is a option and after some solo practice with actual progression so you can learn some missions and weapons properly and eventually you'll be gagging for some proper PvP back on the official servers because you'll actually have a bit of confidence with maps, have a basic understanding of what weapons you get on with rather than just being the free and easy kill for veteran Tarkov plays who have been playing for several years.
BSG should genuinely be taking notes, incorporating solo tarkov into the game would open it up to so many more people and ultimately get more people into PvP
@@psyanide1603 I agree. I have played some in the offline mode, but I realize it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Without the inherent risks, there is little return. I am a fish in Factory normally, but offline mode I take out a dozen SCAVs without too many issues. So there is a bit of back and forth. Letting new players enjoy a solo situation for the first couple of levels probably wouldn't hurt!
Most of the comments i saw said, well everything i was thinking about after watching this.
Still, wanted to say thank you for producing such awesome content, it feels deep, refreshing and more feelings that i can't express because of language barrier, still learning.
Big up from France dude, i really love your content, been following you for 3 Years+.
Keep it up, please for the sake of having clean content around.
When you have to pause the video to hit the like button because even half way through this deserves your appreciation more than anything you watched all day. Came for some meme fun against Tarkov and left rethinking real life experiences. Bravo
This is God tier content. Well Done. Puts into words, sounds, and visuals what ultimately the game means to me. And regardless of how it gives me the most frustration - the overwhelming satisfaction it can provide is why it has been my number 1 game for over a year now. Love it.
I really like how you think of things in a philosophical, theoretical way. I love listening to your long winded thoughts that go much deeper than the typical analysis of a certain subject. Keep up the awesome work.
Not only as a amateur linguist but as a self reflective human being, this video hit me in all the right spots.
It made me look at how I see and play tarkov and why I love it so much.
Thanks for this superb videoessay.
I thoroughly enjoy watching the people play the game, and the idea. But as much as I want to believe it doesn't need to be fun, it kind of does by nature. A wise man once said, "if it's not fun, why bother" and it's true, if the game is not fun to play, why bother. But other people do enjoy it so they do have fun. But if a person specifically has no fun when playing it, why bother? Because it's not fun. Either way, great video man!
That was an experience, god damn dude!
Can't wait for the next video in the series.
This has given me a different view of the game's meaning and direction. Thank you for making this.
I hope you are proud of your content man cause this shit is awesome and no one else I know is doing stuff like this. I really appreciate your intellectual insights into things and how they relate to gaming ❤️
This is a great video that kinda makes you think, not just about tarkov. Excited for more.
Easily the best video you've ever made Veritas, Bravo. I think you just found your calling on RUclips with longer format Video Essays. I need more of this injected in my veins
-Lazarus
This is amazing. I'm so glad to have this being talked about deeper than just a "ha ha tarkov not fun hee hee" meme.
Alot of time and work has been put into this video, thank you Veritas ! Amazing video
Great vid veritas, well put together. I can't wait for the rest of the series.
Love the video, extremely well put together. Great work.
One of the best videos ever put together.
I studied Latin myself for several years. And language and the pursuit of happiness
Really puts in perspective on what Nikita wanted the game to be and it all makes sense now. he's an artist and the game is his canvas and he is painting the Mona Lisa. I think I speak for most of the EFT community when I say I didn't understand why Nikita said the game shouldn't be fun but we took it too literally.
I think that he should have said "making the game fun is not the top priority". Maybe that would have been more accurate?
I agree with this a lot, and there are really only a few games I can think of that give me such moments of frustration but also such senses of accomplishment and triumph. Like those moments when you've had a rough few raids, you've lost a lot of your best gear, and you go into a raid with a pistol and a prayer and end up getting the drop on someone much better geared, or find some nice gear and get out with it. Being in intense fights that lats for what seem like an eternity and having to adapt on the spot to try to not only prevail, but just survive. It's a swath of emotions that paint a much larger picture.
Wasn't sure what to expect with this video but it was well done and thought-provoking. These are the type of videos where I feel like your skillset really shines. @Veritas Thank you for contributing this kind of stuff to the community!
I think there is an important distinction between terms like fun, enjoyment, satisfaction, etc. These terms are often used interchangeably even though they may be mutually exclusive. And they are also often influenced by their counterparts, for example, it's more satisfying to beat a Dark Souls boss after being stomped and frustrated for days.
This is content. You don’t assign personal opinions as fact you actually analyze I love it
I'm 26 and still laughed at "Gaiety".
He meant intellectual age ;)
This fits beautifully with phenomenology. An interesting spection.
Thanks for giving me new words to look up the definitions for!
@@VeritasGames Don't get lost in phenomenology too much you'll go mad. I know you'll love it though.
This is exactly the type of videos the tarkov community needs to see every once in awhile. So well executed, and certainly changed the way I look at it now too.
I've always admired your thoughtful, analytical approach to Tarkov, solid work as always.
I appreciate a video like this that stimulates my mind and took thought/creativity to make, a far cry from most of the low IQ “content” most “creators” are getting rich off of...good work bro 🤘🏻
Hold up here partner. There ain't no shame in low IQ content, don't be so pessimistic about it
Maybe games don't need to be fun but try to be fun at parties at least eh?
Yes bro, I think you have hit some great points. Keen to see more!
Probably the best non tarkov video that completely explains the vision of tarkov.
I got tarkoved last night when the server kept disconnecting me the one time I decided to not bring a budget kit.
You could make a video explaining why popcorn "pops" and it'd be very interesting. Never stop making content man.
Always a good day when V uploads a new video ! :>
I sure do love the experience of falling through the floor at Mach 9. On a completely unrelated note, great video with compelling narration and fantastic editing. Games need not always be 'fun', but then again, 'fun' is subjective. What others may view as 'fun', some may view as boring, or even torturous. Like P90X, some people have a blast feeling like they're about to die, and others just feel like they're about to die, without the, "having a blast" part. 'Fun' changes over time as well, what was fun when you were nine is most likely not 'fun' when you're twenty, or maybe it is for you, but not for others. There is no, and will never be, an exact way to word 'fun' for each person alive, but for each person, they'll, "Know it when they see it".
Extremely good video Veritas.
I've said basically what you said before. I play the game for the emotion it induces. The vertigo, the adrenaline, the stress, the accomplishment it produces. I love tarkov to bits. No game has given me the same feeling.
The game, like life, starts becoming fun once you start to learn to survive on your own. Loved the vid man
Came in expecting a pat on the back for my trash plays. Left enlightened.
Yes plz. Give us more. Much appreciated!
What a brilliant video, I feel like I learn something new everytime you put something out.
Well done Veritas. Different, enjoyable and can see your personality in it. Keep it up!
This is exactly why I started playing tarkov. It's hard but rewarding when you get it right. I still get scared if I'm in a room alone and I hear a 5 man heading my way. This is exactly why I love tarkov and dark souls
I remember once in shoreline. Got into the powerplant when I heard someone outside. Not knowing if it was a pmc or npc, I stayed there for the remaining 19 minutes lol. Tried scaring them off, looking through the windows, but never left.
The fear and pride I felt wouldn't let me. Losing it all to the game going MIA was a far better option than giving my shitty gear and pathetic loot. At that time, I remember the fear and despair. It felt real.
The very reason you listed for good games existing is why, as an example, the first Medal of Honor games was made in a leap of faith. I still remember playing MoH Rising Sun as a 6 year old; let me tell you, that was not easy, but I still remember that feeling of defending and watching as Pearl Harbor, and USS Arizona, is destroyed before my eyes, with the music to match. It's not a happy scene, it was horrible....jaw dropping. It *demanded* your attention. That's how games should be.
The reason I keep coming back to Tarkov is because this is the only game that has ever actually got my heart pumping not even real life has had me so fucking pumped up and ready to literally fight for my life (maybe cause I never really done anything in my life but lets not talk about that)
I am looking forward to it. And I agree that Nikita ment it in the manner you believe
I love this style of video! Really engages my brain and opens my mind in a different way! It's great to hear an intelligent take on this sort of topic and looking forward to seeing the future segments of this. Fully agree with the sentiment around the game not necessarily feeling fun but the enjoyment and fulfillment coming from a different place to your usual AAA title. Also agree that progression for this game won't come from making it easier/harder/more fun etc.. but more to do with immersion and its ability to make you feel more while playing it. Thanks for the awesome vid Veritas!
I think you hit the nail on the head with this one man. Good job on the vid!
Yeah, the feeling Tarkov leaves me is pure frustration because of how broken the basic mechanics of recoil control alone causing missed shots, misaligned sights, zeroing not working, ammo not working properly vs armor etc etc and etc etc.
that's why i had to put it down its a super broken game. People just say get good when they really mean just spend 500 hours grinding skills and farming money so you can use gear that works consistently and even then you got a bunch of random variables to worry about. I mean for fuck sake its a time investment as is learning how this monstrosity of a game even works. I have you know a job and school i cant be bothered with this shit.
really good video veritas. I think you hit the nail on the head and made me think how I react to tarkov in the good and bad times :/
Even though I'm not able to watch much anymore since having to start adulting, I always love to see and watch an amazing video from you as always V :D Cheers to another fantastic video and almost 13 months on twitch!
This starts off like mailroom Charlie from Always Sunny with vocab but gets deep as hell. Great vid Veri!
That feeling of absolute anxiety as you go through a solo raid with no idea what to do? Yeah, that is definitely one hell of an experience. Tarkov nails it.
You're not just a passivbobsrervr in this world.
This has quite literally changed almost my entire outlook on life.
GGWP I haven't played Tarkov in months but this video (which has hooked me for the series) has also got me on the game today
Making me smarter outside of Tarkov. I am back in college because of you. Thanks, I appreciate your POV on this game and respect your grind.
This was way deeper than I expected when I looked for a tarkov video
Nice veritas. Well done hope BSG watch that video!!
I've watched your content before and liked it, but this video made me subscribe. A little bit of philosophy and self reflection is always a treat!
One of your best ones yet.
thanks Veritas i Really enjoyed this video high quality !!
Very good video Veritas. This brings up something that has frustrated me about the game, and it has nothing to do with “fun.” The part where you explained that the "veteran" community (Especially pro/popular streamers) start to emotionally plateau and receive less satisfaction from game makes perfect since to me. I used to be a door gunner in a UH60 Blackhawk, the first couple years I literally couldn’t imagine anything cooler, by year 10 it was boring (outside of combat). The issue I take with this phenomenon, is when those veterans have the majority of the (heard) voice when it comes to proposed changes to the game. When Nikkita is sitting in a chat with 5 bored players all giving their opinion on game changes, it looks like most of them are trying to make the game harder so they can get the same amount of enjoyment that they once did.
For me, "Gettin' Tarkov'd" has very little to do with whether I find the game enjoyable, or "fun". Yes, the experience of "Getting Tarkov'd" does diminish the enjoyment factor, but it doesn't strip it away completely. In my eyes, coming from Arma, where the therm "Gettin' Arma'd/DayZ'd" originated from, the "Gettin' [X]'d" experience has more to do with a weird, minute and rare occurrence, akin to a glitch or bug (and most usually *an* actual glitch or bug permitting the specific occurrence), which leads to an immediate negative experience, but isn't a constant issue.
To that end, "Getting Tarkov'd" would be something along the lines of an 0.7 AI Scav lasering you with a TOZ through a rock from 20 meters away. Or you emptying a 60-rounder of M995 into a Raider's head, only for him to turn around and headeyes you through your Altyn because the server was out of sync.
On the other end, I wouldn't consider getting sniped from the other end of the map as a "Gettin' Tarkov'd" moment. Shitty and unpleasant, sure, but not the same as, while definitely "unfair" - not at all random, unavoidable, or dependant on any sort of bug or glitch (except when it is, in which case - refer to above).
In this regard, I don't see why "Gettin' Tarkov'd" should, or in fact would, make the game less enjoyable on the whole.
Now here's the thing. For me at least, from a linguistic point of view, the "fun" Nikita refers to when talking about Tarkov sounds more like it's intended to mean the "gleeful" type of fun, like when you're watching your favourite comedian or a good movie. In that meaning, no part of EFT is "fun" - at no point do I remember either myself or anyone I've played with being rapturously gleeful while playing Tarkov. Yes, sure - we've been cheerful, at certain moments, usually after great fights, but most commonly - the cheerfulness comes from our rapport more so than our exploits in the current raid. And more importantly - it remains even after we get squad-wiped by Killa after he super-slides into us through a frag and a flash. Does that mean the game's not enjoyable - not at all. It's just a different kind of enjoyment that's harder to classify as objectively "fun".
This is very well stated. There needs to be a conversation, but not out of hate but how to make the enjoyment happen over the user frustration of weird things happening.
Almost broke my monitor today out of frustration. Never really lose my composure, but Tarkov really got to me today. Spawn snipes, constant disconnects, late spawns, losing mil after mil. And what does youtube reccomend....this. lol
EDIT after watching: Its honestly what I needed. A refresh on the perspective. Thanks man.
Thank you for this work Veritas. Well done.
12:35 - 13:11 you need a montaaage (montage) even Rocky had a montaaage! (Montage) 🎶
Found this channel by searching your name after seeing your streamer clip and thinking, “That game looks familiar.” Didn’t expect you to be touching on some thought-provoking shit, very well done.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Great video.
As you said, I don't know if this is exactly what Nikita meant when he said 'EFT is not meant to be fun.' But all the points you made throughout the video are very valid and the only way to move forward as a community is to stop whatever shenanigans are going on right now. Otherwise, we'll never get a chance to experience this game in the way developers had intended in the first place.
This is a brilliant segway into the discussions that need to be had about the game, well thought out
Someone double this guy's sub count.
Well done as always V 👍🏼
i do remember my first raid on woods i literally stood behind foliage and i was scared to move for 10 mins while my first shoreline while it was half i thought everything around the swamp was full of snipers :D . Funny part after all these years its always good to play the game all emotions are strong yet and thats why i love tarkov , every raid i am immersed with the game and actually i am having fun without the need to have fun . Amazing video as always veritas !
Very well written and executed. Bravo, sir.
An absolute masterpiece
Tarkov is Like a sky dive rather than a football game Its a thrill ride
I appreciate you making this.
Dude, the fucking videos you make are unmatched. It in it's self, is artwork, a masterpiece in its own way, as the last flower that touched your skin.