That’s John being coy he knows he’s in it atp let’s be real that’s like the only person bringing all the money. I could see him being there and they don’t know who’s behind the mask but yeah tf
Yea John was trippin with that one lmao no chance Spiderman isn’t gonna be in it unless something awful happens between sony and Disney like a massive brawl at a meeting 😂
People often forget that there's gonna be a shitload of other heroes that'll join and fight alongside the avengers even if they're not avengers themselves, so the complaints about that don't really make sense to me. Like you're gonna have Fantastic 4 fighting alongside the thunderbolts and plenty of others
Yeah. Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and the Guardians weren't official Avengers yet still appeared to fight Thanos. I see no reason why characters who aren't "officially" Avengers (the Eternals, Shang Chi, etc) won't be there.
@@stephenschiffman5940 I think it depends it made sense for that to happen in infinity war and endgame that was a reality altering threat but if it’s a smaller threat then maybe not so much… that being said the next 2 avengers movies sound like similar kinda threats.. at least from the titles so who knows
I can’t believe it took them that long to get to Bucky, and it took a viewer to let them know. He was Cap’s first and best friend, and now that he’s for the most part “overcome his demons” he’s primed and ready to be a team player. Especially now that he’s pretty much joined with Sam in most things.
I doubt Steve Rogers will show up. He messes with Sam Wilson's presence far too much for the MCU to do it. Chris Evans wouldn't be comfortable taking up the spotlight like that. His story is done. Let it be done. Same with Tony. Don't ruin their character arcs.
I mean technically every hero in the mcu is an avenger when it comes to these massive avenger culmination films, plus with them doing secret wars I’m pretty sure almost everyone we’ve seen and will soon see will play a part. But in terms of like the core team, similar to the og 6, I think it’ll be: - cap (Sam) - Carol Danvers - Thor - ant-man and/or wasp (depending on which or any of them die) - rhodey - hulk and/or she-hulk - maybe Hawkeye (depending on if they make him a thunderbolt or not) - maybe photon/spectrum (Monica rambeau) And obviously you’ll have characters like spidey, strange, fantastic 4, bucky, blade, some eternals, whoever the new black panther is, some of the younger avengers etc. all in there contributing, but they won’t be considered core avengers
There’s a good chance he might not be in one of them but both of them? Not a chance he’ll definitely be in secret wars with out a doubt and I don’t believe for a second he won’t also be on the other avengers movie
Maybe been as Avenger but Carol is more old and had more experience in war than him, not only in the army but also in others worlds. One thing is not liking the actress for whatever reason and the other is that her character doesn't have the merits. Let's be real if it wasn't for the hate for the comment that get way out of proportion and she been a women, which is stupid, other artists said worst things and nobody said nothing, she is the perfect candidate and more when in the marvels I bet she will learn how to work in a team.
I personally would be over the moon if we got Layla/scarlet scarab in the avengers and moon knight built up for midnight sons, playing similar to guardians and fantastic four of being honorary avengers in big crisis moments. Characters I wanna see continuously popping up are Sylvie, scarlet scarab, makkari, phastos, and ghost. They all deserve some spotlight and I’d love to see them involve themselves in the last two avengers films and then on
I think the new Avengers team will be broken up into 2 diff units, one to protect the earth, and the other to fight in space and beyond. Earth team - Sam, Bucky, Rhodes, Scott Lang & Hope V. Dyne, Shang-Chi, Spider-Man, Strange, Thor, new Panther, She-Hulk & Bruce ( hopefully world war Hulk ), Peggy Carter, F4, Hercules, White Vision, Daredevil, Photon, and Wanda ( curveball pick ). Cosmic team - Cap Marvel, Nova, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, and Beta Ray Bill. As for other groups down the road; 616 Illuminati - Wong, Namor, Reed Richards Thunderbolts - Zemo, Abomination, John Walker, Yelena, and Ghost. Young Avengers - Kate Bishop, Kamala Khan, America Chavez, Cassie Lang, Speed & Wicken, Ironheart, Echo, and Isaiah Bradley's grandson from Falcon & Winter Soldier.
I like this breakdown a lot, idk if you know anything about Hickmans Secret War run but your breakdown reminds me of Avengers World basically. So that’s cool how you did this.
I dunno why this is so difficult... most likely every main characters is going to be there. The only thing worth discussing is who are going to be the snubs (like Ant-Man and Hawkeye in inifity war) and who are the suprise appearances by secondary characters (like Valkery in End Game). So in this case, I could see Bucky being snubbed purely because he don't know if he's going to appear in Captain America 4 and if Sebastian Stan even wants to continue and suprise appearances could be Katie from Shang Chi and Jane Foster.
Right but there’s a difference between being there and being an avenger their asking who will be on the team who will be the core members yeah most of the hero’s from phase 4 will most likely show up but that doesn’t make them avengers and they’ll probably have limited screen time 🤷♂️
I think there is a meaningful distinction between the questions "who will be an avenger?" and "who will show up in an avengers movie?". Especially in the movie called Secret Wars. If that movie is anything like either version of the comic book story with the same name, it will involve almost all the characters who are currently in play in the MCU, including the FF and maybe some X-Men. That doesn't necessarily make them all avengers. Although I guess it does if Cap shows up to lead them all in a charge and yell "avengers assemble!"
I mean, at least in the Secret Wars final battle, one would have to consider just about every single character in the MCU would be there like in Endgame, right? I know that may be unrealistic expectations, and that’s not necessarily going to the expectations I cling on to, but it’s a possibility and worth discussing.
Honestly I could see the avengers movie being like a debut for Miles Morales in the same way Civil War was for Peter. I feel like some sort of Spider-Man has to show up tho because he plays a big part in the secret wars comics.
The question is whether the Young Avengers are separate from the Dang Dynasty team or if Riri, Kate, Peter, and other youngsters are apart of the main team
I think this will be the main lineup: * Captain Marvel * Doctor Strange * Captain America * Black Panther * Ant-Man and the Wasp * The Scarlet Witch * The Hulk * War Machine * Shang-Chi * Hawkeye (Clint Barton) * Thor * Spider-Man I hope that Marvel more explicitly defines teams going forward. It would be cool if they decide to “call in” another team (Thunderbolts, Young Avengers, Guardians, Fantastic Four…), but I think other teams need more explicit rosters/lineups like the Eternals and Guardians have. That means they need a team organizer, though, like Nick Fury was. They also need a new home base! Sidenote: I hope Marvel makes a website in the future where you can follow along with current team rosters and stuff. It is expanding so much, with so many characters, that it would be cool to see and follow along that way.
It really depends on how "Avengers" is defined in the next movies. Will there be a real core team of 6, 7 or 8 people, or will every hero that has been built up to that point and appears in the movies automatically count as part of the Avengers?
Well no they’ve literally never done that you don’t become an avenger just because you showed up doctor strange was never an avenger he just helped them where as spider-man was officially made an avenger by Tony stark Wich suggests to me that you have to be made one and at this point the only one who can do that is Nick furry given that both Steve and Tony are gone I doubt they’ll change that I guess somone else could from a team but then is it really the avengers if some random hero’s decide to make a team that has nothing to do with the old one?
Sam is definitely gonna lead them, like 100%. He's been an avenger since Age of Ultron with Capt. Marvel being the co-lead and them setting up Civil War 2 or Avengers vs X-men, I could see after Secret Wars in phase 7+
I think it will play out like this...Capt Marvel and Strange co-lead in The Kang Dynasty, but they clash and make rookie mistakes. Sam steps up in Secret War to lead.
My guess for the main 6: -Captain America (obviousley) -Ant-Man/wasp (as they're the ones who already met Kang) -Captain Marvel -Spider-Man -Shang-Chi (because of the director) And then for secret wars I think it'll be basically everyone in the MCU
@@Doomer253 since you asked I’ll tell you it’s literally the eternity saga we introduced eternity in Thor love and thunder also marvel has trademarked a seventh avengers film titled avengers eternity wars Among other movies that they’ve also trademarked most of which is unannounced for the moment
New Captain America, She-Hulk, Ant-Man, The WASP, Black Panther, Shang-Chi, Ms. Marvel, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, and War Machine will be the core group, and everyone else will be a pop up in various scenes throughout the movie. I'm going by what I saw in the Disney Cruise Ship short film. They had some of the core group members I had mentioned in the film fighting Ultron.
Steve Rogers will definitely be there and definitely will be the leader of the Avengers but let me explain Steve is now old can't fight with Shield that goes to Sam but he can lead from Avengers HQ come up with the plan still give those uplifting speeches monitor everyones progress because every team needs a guy in the chair and of course say Avengers Assemble
The older Chris Hemsworth, the better his character will get over time. Him getting old in real life could be used so well leading him to an old King Thor, with the Odin force and everything. As far as Blade, I think he'll actually be a key Avenger in the MCU. I just have a feeling. He'd be the most surprising member I don't think we'll have a film called Young Avengers. I feel like a lot of these characters that are supposed to be on a "young" team won't be teens anymore lol. I mean everyone keeps saying Kate Bishop, but she was about to graduate college I believe in Hawkeye. She's an adult lol Side note: That Ray guy doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about 😂
I would maybe add Okoye. She was already working with the Avengers during the Blip when Black Widow was leading. I don't think she will be at the compound full time, her main concern is Wakanda, but I think she might play a bigger role.
Sony legally has to let Spider-Man be in the avengers if they want him since Tom’s got one more team up movie on his contract. Although frankly I think he’ll show up at the end of the Kang Dynasty with the Fantastic Four as a cameo after the Avengers lose and he’ll be a big part of Secret Wars with Miles and stuff
It might help to think of slightly different rosters for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Infinity War excluded characters like Hawkeye, Ant-Man, and Wasp and didn't give a ton of screen time to Steve Rogers, and then Endgame compensated for that by bringing back those characters and giving Cap some prominent screen time. Maybe similarly there are some character's who won't be featured fighting Kang but will appear in Secret Wars.
If White Vision isn’t going to be an Avenger than what’s the point of the Hex Vision unlocking his mind and memories? Like where else would he fit in if he’s not going to be on the Avengers?
He has visions memories but he’s not really vision vision would absolutely have rejoined the avengers white vision might not necessarily he Doesn’t know who he is and needs to discover who he and what he is before he does anything
The ones who would be out of The New Avengers Team would be as under: 1. Dr. Strange (why...? bcoz in his movie in the post credit scene Clea comes to get Dr Strange from 616 Earth universe reality to another dimension "as she says you have caused an incursion and now you need to fix it") 2. Ms. Marvel (she most probably would be in Young Avengers team than The New Avengers Team) 3. Nick Fury (He is in space with skrulls and also he would a part of Secret Invasion series and The Marvels movie too but don't see him as an Avenger) 4. Fantastic Four (they haven't ever been a member of The Avengers excluding only Thing as a New Avenger) 5. Hawkeye & Hulk (I Have doubts about them joining the New Avengers but they would rather show up in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars like any other team factions or characters forming an Avengers universe in a way) The Ones I would add on would be only 5 characters: 1. Blade (He has also been a member of New Avengers and Mighty Avengers and looks like he will get his own supernatural team soon in Phase 6 with Dr. Strange, The Ghost Rider, himself, Werewolf By Night, Moon Knight, Hellstrom "we need to see him at some point", Elsa Bloodstone and Clea) 2. Moon Knight (he has been a member of Avengers, New Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Secret Avengers and also as a Defender) 3. Daredevil (He is also been an Avenger and New Avengers in the comics) 4. Black Knight (I feel he will be a part of The New Avengers as he has been an Avenger in the comics) 5. Wonder Man (I Think He would join the New Avengers as he is also been an avenger in the comics and he is getting his own series on Disney+ as well in phase 6) 6. Sersi (along with Black Knight she has also been a member of Avengers in the comics and looks like post the eternals movie Black Knight and Sersi are on Earth) My Final Team that I am speculating and assuming the MCU would make these as The New Avengers as under: 1. Captain Marvel 2. Ant Man 3. War Machine 4. Black Panther "most probably looks like Shuri" 5. Shang-Chi 6. Wong "The Sorcerer Supreme" 7. White Wolf "Bucky" 8. WASP 9. She-Hulk 10. Thor 11. Photon / Spectrum 12. Blade 13. Moon Knight 14. Daredevil 15. Wonder Man 16. Black Knight 17. Sersi Thanks this would be the most likely team of The New Avengers....!!!! Then we have the Young Avengers as they will too be a part of the Multiverse Saga. The team members would be as under what I am assuming or speculating what it would be and how: 1. Ms. Marvel "Kamala Khan" 2. Hawkeye "Kate Bishop" 3. Iron Lad - (heavily rumored to be a Young Avenger member as he was in the initial formation of the team lead by White Vision) 4. Wiccan (Wanda Vision series) 5. Speed (Wanda Vision series) 6. Hulkling (expected to show up in The Marvels movie which is Capt Marvel 2 movie that would be related to Skrull-Kree fight) 7. Patriot (we saw him in Falcon and The Winter Soldier series) 8. Stature "Cassie Lang" (Ant Man's daughter) 9. America Chavez (Dr. Strange: In The Multiverse Of Madness and is she also a member of The Young Avengers) 10. Nova "Sam Alexander" (rumors are that two Novas might pop up in the Nova series on Disney+ coming in phase 6 and he looks like a pretty solid choice to be a Young Avenger as he is also in the comics) Thanks
Idk John, I think you’re 100% wrong about Moon Knight and Blade not being in there, my brother.There’s no way Moon Knight is a one and done character, I’m 99.9% sure they’ll have him return for one of the Avengers films. And Blade as well. All of these new characters they’re bringing to the table are gonna be in it. Secret Wars is most likely gonna be the last large scale Avengers film for a loooong time, therefore I think they’re gonna go all out on this one. Just look at how the infinity saga played out, literally every hero was included
Considering Kang will be conquering at different time periods, the giant roster of heroes will probably be divided into smaller groups to battle Kang in different eras
I think it's not going to be a full-blown Avengers team up movie more like a central team. My guess is Captain America, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Spiderman, Shang-Chi, Hulk (maybe), Black Panther, Thor
black knight is a significant avenger dane whitman is pretty cool...scarlet witch should be on the avengers to but dr strange mom might make that difficult.
Or could be one avengers working in small fractions, like they had in Justice league Unlimited , Batman Green Lantern Hawkgirl working one side and Sups , Wonder Woman and Flash from other side. If Kang Dynasty happens in distant future 30th century and on different planet one high blow like in endgame wont be practical
What if we have two movies with two different lineups? If both movies are coming out the same year and with different directors, then it could be that these are two separate avengers teams so they can shoot both movies simultaneously. Perhaps they all cameo in the other movie, but what if both fights are happening simultaneously so the team has to split up and we see the same time period from two different perspectives?
A few different groups are coming I feel . Young Avengers -Spider man -Ms.Marvel -patriot ( Eli Bradley) -Kate Bishop -America Chavez -young Loki?? -love ??? -wiccan and speed ?? -Cassie Lang?? -iron heart Thunderbolts -Black widow -Abomination -US Agent -taskmaster?? -ghost?? -Zemo?? -Agatha harkness? Midnight Suns -Dr.Strange -Blade -Daredevil -Moonknight -echo?? -Black Knight?? And then the avengers -captain America -She Hulk -Shang chi -Captain Marvel -Thor -maybe some of the eternals
I totally agree with John and how if you’re in an Avengers movie and in the final battle, automatically they’re an Avengers (Endgame). But to go with a definitive team, like Ray was suggesting, this incarnation has; - Cap (Sam Wilson) - Cap Marvel - Ms. Marvel - Shang-Chi - Thor - War Machine - New Black Panther -Ant Man & Wasp - White Vision or Spidey Having a good group of 10 and when making this list, I thought this team would be for Kang Dynasty. And I know we haven’t seen Vision but this a perfect opportunity to bring him. But also if they swap Vison with Spidey because he’s the money maker. But when Secret Wars I feel everyone will be there. The OG 6, this new team, and maybe young Avengers. So seeing Steve and Tony team up with the new group will be mind blowing. But these are my thoughts, thanks and love y’all!
I think they will have an Avengers team made of older characters Falcon, Wong, Ms Marvel, Hulk etc that get taken out or sidelined early in Kang Dynasty and the Young Avengers/newer characters must come together in their absence to fight Kang.
When we were talking about Sony and Marvel’s newest Spiderman deal the deal said 1 new solo movie and two team up movies, the solo movie was No Way Home and the team up movies are these two new Avengers movies
you cant take off dr strange, the scarlet witch which is the answer to johns question who could ve fought thanos on their own. Spidey has to be there, maybe three of them
I feel like the young avengers will go up in kang dynasty and something will go wrong and they’ll fail, which then sets up secret wars and for the real avengers to come in and save the day
I think it’s reversed for the first film. Older characters group of avengers will fail against Kang and the Young Avengers have to step up to take him on and form this new group to save the Avengers. Then in Secret Wars a random group of heroes will be sucked into battle world to fight villains led by Dr Doom
So there was a run of Avengers that dealt with Kang. The run was called Kang Wars. That team was... Capt. America(Sam) Thor (Jane F.) Wasp Spider-Man(Peter) Vision Hercules
Real talk, I think they're gonna be splitting into multiple teams to fight different Kangs in different settings. leaders are gonna be Cap america, cap. Marvel , and he'll Ms. marvel leading the young avengers or "champions"! This is gonna be epic
It's crazy how sam is captian america... and everybody just ignores it ... this is why I love fatws because this is one of the main points of the show... they will never let sam be cap..even though he earned it.. sad shit...people called it woke shit but everyday people prove fatws show right lol...
Bruce is showing he has learned control of his transformation to Hulk and Professor Hulk is the balanced version but I think that there is room we could see the OG Hulk & professor Hulk
The leak says everyone dies....but the next line says scott is alive but all thebother any family people are dead except cassie just shrunk out of existence so... probably will be back
You can tell the confusion created by phase 4 just by seeing the ridiculously long list of avengers candidates.. and we didn’t even mention moon knight.
If they bring back Steve Rogers, they will completely detract from Sam and a lot of people will be pissed. That is a REALLY bad idea. Sam already is being pushed aside because people are trying to make Captain Carter a thing. Sam is Captain America. People need to move on. Chris Evans wants to move on. I have to wonder if they made Bucky Cap, would people would be dying to have Steve Rogers to come back...?
I like your theory on swan song for Jeremy Renner. I would LOVE to see Hawkeye lead a team like he did in the comics with the West Coast Avengers. I predict Downey and Evans, maybe even Johansson will return in Secret Wars.
The only reason. I would say Ms. Marvel is on the team. It would make sense. If because she’s worked with the main avengers. What’s why she would lead the young avengers.
Maybe yes or maybe not. Since she will be in The Marvels and was basically the protagonist of the Video Game she's got the best shot out of the other young ones as she might be involved with the cosmic stuff happening. Then again could be she's part of the movie but not an official full on avenger. Maybe in training or something
Spider-Man gets the black suit in the “Secret Wars” comic, and we know a piece of the symbiote now exist in the MCU, and the Secret Wars logo is black and white. Not only should Spidey be in these movies, but they should kick off a PROPER “Venom story” in the MCU🙏🤞
@@barbiquearea They don't have to have Brock infect him. IF Kang is responsible for Secret Wars, he could have tracked down and captured the bit of symbiote that was left after NWH, took it to an underground lab on Battleworld, and that's where Spidey finds it, like in the comics. And then in his next movie he can infect Brock, and get things back on track.
Spider-Man is Marvel’s biggest character he’ll 100% be in every Avengers movie.
@@VPhantom-rf3qo Yeah no shit Sony and Disney have a contract for Disney to use Spider-Man.
@@rl8259 right now spiderman has 1 more marvel appearance ... not full movie... appearance.... and then Sony is going to run spiderman into the ground
@@WritersOnTheWall Sony will obviously renew their contract with Marvel
That’s John being coy he knows he’s in it atp let’s be real that’s like the only person bringing all the money. I could see him being there and they don’t know who’s behind the mask but yeah tf
Yea John was trippin with that one lmao no chance Spiderman isn’t gonna be in it unless something awful happens between sony and Disney like a massive brawl at a meeting 😂
People often forget that there's gonna be a shitload of other heroes that'll join and fight alongside the avengers even if they're not avengers themselves, so the complaints about that don't really make sense to me. Like you're gonna have Fantastic 4 fighting alongside the thunderbolts and plenty of others
Yeah. Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and the Guardians weren't official Avengers yet still appeared to fight Thanos. I see no reason why characters who aren't "officially" Avengers (the Eternals, Shang Chi, etc) won't be there.
@@stephenschiffman5940 I think it depends it made sense for that to happen in infinity war and endgame that was a reality altering threat but if it’s a smaller threat then maybe not so much… that being said the next 2 avengers movies sound like similar kinda threats.. at least from the titles so who knows
I can’t believe it took them that long to get to Bucky, and it took a viewer to let them know. He was Cap’s first and best friend, and now that he’s for the most part “overcome his demons” he’s primed and ready to be a team player. Especially now that he’s pretty much joined with Sam in most things.
I doubt Steve Rogers will show up. He messes with Sam Wilson's presence far too much for the MCU to do it. Chris Evans wouldn't be comfortable taking up the spotlight like that. His story is done. Let it be done. Same with Tony. Don't ruin their character arcs.
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I hope not. And I dont think Marvel would do so. Especially with Chris Evens being so adamant about people moving on from him.
He will return....
@@comicdoctor he won't. Good luck convincing Chris Evans to do it
@@gus9663 chris evans literally re upped with marvel get your facts in order 🤣🤣🤣
Every Avengers team needs a Marvel Legend. Morbius needs to be a member
Not gonna happen. In fact, he was never an Avenger in the comics
I mean technically every hero in the mcu is an avenger when it comes to these massive avenger culmination films, plus with them doing secret wars I’m pretty sure almost everyone we’ve seen and will soon see will play a part. But in terms of like the core team, similar to the og 6, I think it’ll be:
- cap (Sam)
- Carol Danvers
- Thor
- ant-man and/or wasp (depending on which or any of them die)
- rhodey
- hulk and/or she-hulk
- maybe Hawkeye (depending on if they make him a thunderbolt or not)
- maybe photon/spectrum (Monica rambeau)
And obviously you’ll have characters like spidey, strange, fantastic 4, bucky, blade, some eternals, whoever the new black panther is, some of the younger avengers etc. all in there contributing, but they won’t be considered core avengers
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There’s no way they’re leaving Spider-Man out of the next avengers movies. No way
Erin’s reaction when Ray said he thinks Thor won’t be in Avengers is the best
Absolutely no way Thor isn’t in these Avengers movies
There’s a good chance he might not be in one of them but both of them? Not a chance he’ll definitely be in secret wars with out a doubt and I don’t believe for a second he won’t also be on the other avengers movie
Sam is literally an avenger since the end of Age of Ultron. He’s far more experienced than Carol Danvers at being an Avenger
Maybe been as Avenger but Carol is more old and had more experience in war than him, not only in the army but also in others worlds. One thing is not liking the actress for whatever reason and the other is that her character doesn't have the merits. Let's be real if it wasn't for the hate for the comment that get way out of proportion and she been a women, which is stupid, other artists said worst things and nobody said nothing, she is the perfect candidate and more when in the marvels I bet she will learn how to work in a team.
@@hey608 whoa hold up bruh. I don’t dislike Carol Danvers. How the hell did u arrive at that?
No spider-man in Kang Dynasty.
Yes spider-man in Secret Wars.
Symbiote suit in Secret Wars
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They really dropped the ball by not giving Sam Wilson the serum to make him stronger. Something about a regular guy as captain American seems weak.
Spider-Man will be saved for Secret Wars. They have one crossover movie on the Sony deal left.
I personally would be over the moon if we got Layla/scarlet scarab in the avengers and moon knight built up for midnight sons, playing similar to guardians and fantastic four of being honorary avengers in big crisis moments. Characters I wanna see continuously popping up are Sylvie, scarlet scarab, makkari, phastos, and ghost. They all deserve some spotlight and I’d love to see them involve themselves in the last two avengers films and then on
John will not let Sam Wilson have his moment. Hilarious.
I think the new Avengers team will be broken up into 2 diff units, one to protect the earth, and the other to fight in space and beyond.
Earth team - Sam, Bucky, Rhodes, Scott Lang & Hope V. Dyne, Shang-Chi, Spider-Man, Strange, Thor, new Panther, She-Hulk & Bruce ( hopefully world war Hulk ), Peggy Carter, F4, Hercules, White Vision, Daredevil, Photon, and Wanda ( curveball pick ).
Cosmic team - Cap Marvel, Nova, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, and Beta Ray Bill.
As for other groups down the road;
616 Illuminati - Wong, Namor, Reed Richards
Thunderbolts - Zemo, Abomination, John Walker, Yelena, and Ghost.
Young Avengers - Kate Bishop, Kamala Khan, America Chavez, Cassie Lang, Speed & Wicken, Ironheart, Echo, and Isaiah Bradley's grandson from Falcon & Winter Soldier.
I like this breakdown a lot, idk if you know anything about Hickmans Secret War run but your breakdown reminds me of Avengers World basically. So that’s cool how you did this.
You guys are insane to think Spiderman won’t be in either Avenger movies especially Secret Wars. Crazy.
Loki joining the Avengers will complete his arc. It would make sense and give his story a beautiful end
I dunno why this is so difficult... most likely every main characters is going to be there. The only thing worth discussing is who are going to be the snubs (like Ant-Man and Hawkeye in inifity war) and who are the suprise appearances by secondary characters (like Valkery in End Game). So in this case, I could see Bucky being snubbed purely because he don't know if he's going to appear in Captain America 4 and if Sebastian Stan even wants to continue and suprise appearances could be Katie from Shang Chi and Jane Foster.
Right but there’s a difference between being there and being an avenger their asking who will be on the team who will be the core members yeah most of the hero’s from phase 4 will most likely show up but that doesn’t make them avengers and they’ll probably have limited screen time 🤷♂️
I think there is a meaningful distinction between the questions "who will be an avenger?" and "who will show up in an avengers movie?". Especially in the movie called Secret Wars. If that movie is anything like either version of the comic book story with the same name, it will involve almost all the characters who are currently in play in the MCU, including the FF and maybe some X-Men. That doesn't necessarily make them all avengers. Although I guess it does if Cap shows up to lead them all in a charge and yell "avengers assemble!"
At least Justice League isn't so confusing...
I mean, at least in the Secret Wars final battle, one would have to consider just about every single character in the MCU would be there like in Endgame, right? I know that may be unrealistic expectations, and that’s not necessarily going to the expectations I cling on to, but it’s a possibility and worth discussing.
The avengers movies are doing the multiverse so Dr Strange is def there
Honestly I could see the avengers movie being like a debut for Miles Morales in the same way Civil War was for Peter. I feel like some sort of Spider-Man has to show up tho because he plays a big part in the secret wars comics.
Nah . No need for miles , peter parker is enough
That would be nice to see Miles in live action.
Spiderman might not be in Kang Dynasty but he has to be in Secret Wars.
The question is whether the Young Avengers are separate from the Dang Dynasty team or if Riri, Kate, Peter, and other youngsters are apart of the main team
The Mighty Avengers vs New Avengers split could be inspiration too
I think this will be the main lineup:
* Captain Marvel
* Doctor Strange
* Captain America
* Black Panther
* Ant-Man and the Wasp
* The Scarlet Witch
* The Hulk
* War Machine
* Shang-Chi
* Hawkeye (Clint Barton)
* Thor
* Spider-Man
I hope that Marvel more explicitly defines teams going forward. It would be cool if they decide to “call in” another team (Thunderbolts, Young Avengers, Guardians, Fantastic Four…), but I think other teams need more explicit rosters/lineups like the Eternals and Guardians have. That means they need a team organizer, though, like Nick Fury was. They also need a new home base!
Sidenote: I hope Marvel makes a website in the future where you can follow along with current team rosters and stuff. It is expanding so much, with so many characters, that it would be cool to see and follow along that way.
I think Yelena Belova will be an Avenger. She's Black widow's sister. I don't think the Eternals or any group of heroes will be on the team.
It really depends on how "Avengers" is defined in the next movies. Will there be a real core team of 6, 7 or 8 people, or will every hero that has been built up to that point and appears in the movies automatically count as part of the Avengers?
Well no they’ve literally never done that you don’t become an avenger just because you showed up doctor strange was never an avenger he just helped them where as spider-man was officially made an avenger by Tony stark Wich suggests to me that you have to be made one and at this point the only one who can do that is Nick furry given that both Steve and Tony are gone I doubt they’ll change that I guess somone else could from a team but then is it really the avengers if some random hero’s decide to make a team that has nothing to do with the old one?
Sam is definitely gonna lead them, like 100%. He's been an avenger since Age of Ultron with Capt. Marvel being the co-lead and them setting up Civil War 2 or Avengers vs X-men, I could see after Secret Wars in phase 7+
I think it will play out like this...Capt Marvel and Strange co-lead in The Kang Dynasty, but they clash and make rookie mistakes. Sam steps up in Secret War to lead.
@@Doomer253 That also works out. I just see Capt. Marvel definitely clashing with someone. They've already shown that attitude about her.
@@HomeBodyMous I like Capt Marvel, they just need to find the right tone for her.
@@Doomer253 yep the tone of Rouge I swear if the rumors are true about doom I might be done with marvel
@@treyday4846 What rumor?! Oooh Do tell!
My guess for the main 6:
-Captain America (obviousley)
-Ant-Man/wasp (as they're the ones who already met Kang)
-Captain Marvel
-Spider-Man
-Shang-Chi (because of the director)
And then for secret wars I think it'll be basically everyone in the MCU
I'd say that's a lock.
I already know where we’re going after secret wars you people have no idea what feige Has planned
@@zombiexslayer614 Feel free to say it. Scoops Ahoy!
@@Doomer253 since you asked I’ll tell you it’s literally the eternity saga we introduced eternity in Thor love and thunder also marvel has trademarked a seventh avengers film titled avengers eternity wars Among other movies that they’ve also trademarked most of which is unannounced for the moment
@@zombiexslayer614 Trademark department and Legos. The bain of Marvel.
New Captain America, She-Hulk, Ant-Man, The WASP, Black Panther, Shang-Chi, Ms. Marvel, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, and War Machine will be the core group, and everyone else will be a pop up in various scenes throughout the movie. I'm going by what I saw in the Disney Cruise Ship short film. They had some of the core group members I had mentioned in the film fighting Ultron.
Steve Rogers will definitely be there and definitely will be the leader of the Avengers but let me explain Steve is now old can't fight with Shield that goes to Sam but he can lead from Avengers HQ come up with the plan still give those uplifting speeches monitor everyones progress because every team needs a guy in the chair and of course say Avengers Assemble
Spider-Man will 100% be apart of the next Avengers movies. No way Marvel Studios will sideline the biggest Marvel character in such a major event
The older Chris Hemsworth, the better his character will get over time. Him getting old in real life could be used so well leading him to an old King Thor, with the Odin force and everything.
As far as Blade, I think he'll actually be a key Avenger in the MCU. I just have a feeling. He'd be the most surprising member
I don't think we'll have a film called Young Avengers. I feel like a lot of these characters that are supposed to be on a "young" team won't be teens anymore lol. I mean everyone keeps saying Kate Bishop, but she was about to graduate college I believe in Hawkeye. She's an adult lol
Side note: That Ray guy doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about 😂
I would maybe add Okoye. She was already working with the Avengers during the Blip when Black Widow was leading. I don't think she will be at the compound full time, her main concern is Wakanda, but I think she might play a bigger role.
Sony legally has to let Spider-Man be in the avengers if they want him since Tom’s got one more team up movie on his contract. Although frankly I think he’ll show up at the end of the Kang Dynasty with the Fantastic Four as a cameo after the Avengers lose and he’ll be a big part of Secret Wars with Miles and stuff
You’re forgetting the young avengers. Completely overlooked
They talked about why they left them off the list in the video, due to us not knowing too much about how they’ll use them yet
It might help to think of slightly different rosters for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Infinity War excluded characters like Hawkeye, Ant-Man, and Wasp and didn't give a ton of screen time to Steve Rogers, and then Endgame compensated for that by bringing back those characters and giving Cap some prominent screen time. Maybe similarly there are some character's who won't be featured fighting Kang but will appear in Secret Wars.
Agree. It's two films. It would be smart to spread the characters and focus.
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If White Vision isn’t going to be an Avenger than what’s the point of the Hex Vision unlocking his mind and memories? Like where else would he fit in if he’s not going to be on the Avengers?
He has visions memories but he’s not really vision vision would absolutely have rejoined the avengers white vision might not necessarily he Doesn’t know who he is and needs to discover who he and what he is before he does anything
The ones who would be out of The New Avengers Team would be as under:
1. Dr. Strange (why...? bcoz in his movie in the post credit scene Clea comes to get Dr Strange from 616 Earth universe reality to another dimension "as she says you have caused an incursion and now you need to fix it")
2. Ms. Marvel (she most probably would be in Young Avengers team than The New Avengers Team)
3. Nick Fury (He is in space with skrulls and also he would a part of Secret Invasion series and The Marvels movie too but don't see him as an Avenger)
4. Fantastic Four (they haven't ever been a member of The Avengers excluding only Thing as a New Avenger)
5. Hawkeye & Hulk (I Have doubts about them joining the New Avengers but they would rather show up in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars like any other team factions or characters forming an Avengers universe in a way)
The Ones I would add on would be only 5 characters:
1. Blade (He has also been a member of New Avengers and Mighty Avengers and looks like he will get his own supernatural team soon in Phase 6 with Dr. Strange, The Ghost Rider, himself, Werewolf By Night, Moon Knight, Hellstrom "we need to see him at some point", Elsa Bloodstone and Clea)
2. Moon Knight (he has been a member of Avengers, New Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Secret Avengers and also as a Defender)
3. Daredevil (He is also been an Avenger and New Avengers in the comics)
4. Black Knight (I feel he will be a part of The New Avengers as he has been an Avenger in the comics)
5. Wonder Man (I Think He would join the New Avengers as he is also been an avenger in the comics and he is getting his own series on Disney+ as well in phase 6)
6. Sersi (along with Black Knight she has also been a member of Avengers in the comics and looks like post the eternals movie Black Knight and Sersi are on Earth)
My Final Team that I am speculating and assuming the MCU would make these as The New Avengers as under:
1. Captain Marvel
2. Ant Man
3. War Machine
4. Black Panther "most probably looks like Shuri"
5. Shang-Chi
6. Wong "The Sorcerer Supreme"
7. White Wolf "Bucky"
8. WASP
9. She-Hulk
10. Thor
11. Photon / Spectrum
12. Blade
13. Moon Knight
14. Daredevil
15. Wonder Man
16. Black Knight
17. Sersi
Thanks this would be the most likely team of The New Avengers....!!!!
Then we have the Young Avengers as they will too be a part of the Multiverse Saga.
The team members would be as under what I am assuming or speculating what it would be and how:
1. Ms. Marvel "Kamala Khan"
2. Hawkeye "Kate Bishop"
3. Iron Lad - (heavily rumored to be a Young Avenger member as he was in the initial formation of the team lead by White Vision)
4. Wiccan (Wanda Vision series)
5. Speed (Wanda Vision series)
6. Hulkling (expected to show up in The Marvels movie which is Capt Marvel 2 movie that would be related to Skrull-Kree fight)
7. Patriot (we saw him in Falcon and The Winter Soldier series)
8. Stature "Cassie Lang" (Ant Man's daughter)
9. America Chavez (Dr. Strange: In The Multiverse Of Madness and is she also a member of The Young Avengers)
10. Nova "Sam Alexander" (rumors are that two Novas might pop up in the Nova series on Disney+ coming in phase 6 and he looks like a pretty solid choice to be a Young Avenger as he is also in the comics)
Thanks
Idk John, I think you’re 100% wrong about Moon Knight and Blade not being in there, my brother.There’s no way Moon Knight is a one and done character, I’m 99.9% sure they’ll have him return for one of the Avengers films. And Blade as well. All of these new characters they’re bringing to the table are gonna be in it. Secret Wars is most likely gonna be the last large scale Avengers film for a loooong time, therefore I think they’re gonna go all out on this one. Just look at how the infinity saga played out, literally every hero was included
Moon Knight and Blade will be Midnight Suns
Considering Kang will be conquering at different time periods, the giant roster of heroes will probably be divided into smaller groups to battle Kang in different eras
I think it's not going to be a full-blown Avengers team up movie more like a central team. My guess is Captain America, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Spiderman, Shang-Chi, Hulk (maybe), Black Panther, Thor
black knight is a significant avenger dane whitman is pretty cool...scarlet witch should be on the avengers to but dr strange mom might make that difficult.
How can you leave Spidey off the list when he gets the symbiote in Secret Wars???
That's the other secret wars, this secret wars is probably the multiverse one
This is kind of the problem they need to recreate a core team again, not have 50 people. The Avengers had 6 core members and side characters/heroes.
Blade’s going to be in Midnight sons with moon knight and black knight. Mark it down!
As a BIG steve and capt america fan. Steves arc is done in the MCU. Sam is the Captain America now and I am more than happy with it❤️❤️🖤🖤
YOU'RE AN AVENGER! YOU'RE AN AVENGER! YOU'RE AN AVENGER!..
I believe we’ll see multiple teams. Kinda like infinity war pacing. Regular avengers, young avengers, thunderbolts, midnight sons, fantastic 4 esc
Or could be one avengers working in small fractions, like they had in Justice league Unlimited , Batman Green Lantern Hawkgirl working one side and Sups , Wonder Woman and Flash from other side. If Kang Dynasty happens in distant future 30th century and on different planet one high blow like in endgame wont be practical
This is a really interesting idea
I think Captain Marvel will start as the leader, but over the run of the movie, Sam Wilson will become the new leader of the Avengers.
What if we have two movies with two different lineups?
If both movies are coming out the same year and with different directors, then it could be that these are two separate avengers teams so they can shoot both movies simultaneously. Perhaps they all cameo in the other movie, but what if both fights are happening simultaneously so the team has to split up and we see the same time period from two different perspectives?
Interesting idea
I like it
A few different groups are coming I feel .
Young Avengers
-Spider man
-Ms.Marvel
-patriot ( Eli Bradley)
-Kate Bishop
-America Chavez
-young Loki??
-love ???
-wiccan and speed ??
-Cassie Lang??
-iron heart
Thunderbolts
-Black widow
-Abomination
-US Agent
-taskmaster??
-ghost??
-Zemo??
-Agatha harkness?
Midnight Suns
-Dr.Strange
-Blade
-Daredevil
-Moonknight
-echo??
-Black Knight??
And then the avengers
-captain America
-She Hulk
-Shang chi
-Captain Marvel
-Thor
-maybe some of the eternals
Where would Daredevil & Deadpool go?
@@RyanDaly daredevil to midnight suns , i couldn’t see deadpool with any of them . Maybe his on group X-force in the future
I think Secret Wars and Kang Dynasty will be like Infinity War and Endgame where Almost every MCU character will be in it.
Spider-Man and Daredevil for sure
I totally agree with John and how if you’re in an Avengers movie and in the final battle, automatically they’re an Avengers (Endgame). But to go with a definitive team, like Ray was suggesting, this incarnation has;
- Cap (Sam Wilson)
- Cap Marvel
- Ms. Marvel
- Shang-Chi
- Thor
- War Machine
- New Black Panther
-Ant Man & Wasp
- White Vision or Spidey
Having a good group of 10 and when making this list, I thought this team would be for Kang Dynasty. And I know we haven’t seen Vision but this a perfect opportunity to bring him. But also if they swap Vison with Spidey because he’s the money maker. But when Secret Wars I feel everyone will be there. The OG 6, this new team, and maybe young Avengers. So seeing Steve and Tony team up with the new group will be mind blowing. But these are my thoughts, thanks and love y’all!
I know its a far fetched but... what if theres are gonna be two Avengers teams, a movie for each
Doctor Strange will be pivotal in this film, especially as it’ll be about the multiverse and love the idea of Loki from the series being involved! 👌
I think they will have an Avengers team made of older characters Falcon, Wong, Ms Marvel, Hulk etc that get taken out or sidelined early in Kang Dynasty and the Young Avengers/newer characters must come together in their absence to fight Kang.
Never heard anything about people thinking Ant-Man would die. Where did that come from?
Yea that felt like that came out of nowhere!
Aww you saw my Big Hero 6 comment 😂 19:44
When we were talking about Sony and Marvel’s newest Spiderman deal the deal said 1 new solo movie and two team up movies, the solo movie was No Way Home and the team up movies are these two new Avengers movies
Simple answer everyone will be in it
you cant take off dr strange, the scarlet witch which is the answer to johns question who could ve fought thanos on their own. Spidey has to be there, maybe three of them
I feel like the young avengers will go up in kang dynasty and something will go wrong and they’ll fail, which then sets up secret wars and for the real avengers to come in and save the day
I think it’s reversed for the first film. Older characters group of avengers will fail against Kang and the Young Avengers have to step up to take him on and form this new group to save the Avengers. Then in Secret Wars a random group of heroes will be sucked into battle world to fight villains led by Dr Doom
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I could see War Machine being the leader before Sam
Nah. Too much of a smart A
I could see Rhodey in a leadership role along with Sam, Carol and Strange. But in the field it'll be either Sam or Carol.
Spiderman will be in both and future Avengers movies. So feel free to add him on the list.
So there was a run of Avengers that dealt with Kang. The run was called Kang Wars. That team was...
Capt. America(Sam)
Thor (Jane F.)
Wasp
Spider-Man(Peter)
Vision
Hercules
That Profesional Hulk is a joke.
Real talk, I think they're gonna be splitting into multiple teams to fight different Kangs in different settings. leaders are gonna be Cap america, cap. Marvel , and he'll Ms. marvel leading the young avengers or "champions"!
This is gonna be epic
Secret Wars is going to have literally everyone.
Hercules?
Maybe they could add Wonder Man on the Avengers roster. They could tie in his origins about being created by Baron Zemo.
It's crazy how sam is captian america... and everybody just ignores it ... this is why I love fatws because this is one of the main points of the show... they will never let sam be cap..even though he earned it.. sad shit...people called it woke shit but everyday people prove fatws show right lol...
Bruce is showing he has learned control of his transformation to Hulk and Professor Hulk is the balanced version but I think that there is room we could see the OG Hulk & professor Hulk
WCU - Wong Cinematic Universe
The leak says everyone dies....but the next line says scott is alive but all thebother any family people are dead except cassie just shrunk out of existence so... probably will be back
But how much of this list are actually skrulls?
15:50 Thumbs up for the Polyphonic Spree reference.
If Chadwick Boseman is still alive, Black Panther would definitely be in the new team.
You can tell the confusion created by phase 4 just by seeing the ridiculously long list of avengers candidates.. and we didn’t even mention moon knight.
They did mention moon knight saying they don't think he'll be in the avengers.
Why didn't you talked about Daredevil!
Can't get rid of Stephen, he's the Tony Stark of this phase.
If they bring back Steve Rogers, they will completely detract from Sam and a lot of people will be pissed. That is a REALLY bad idea. Sam already is being pushed aside because people are trying to make Captain Carter a thing. Sam is Captain America. People need to move on. Chris Evans wants to move on. I have to wonder if they made Bucky Cap, would people would be dying to have Steve Rogers to come back...?
Great video guys, loving those glasses Erin!
The roster is three times longer, and half as cool.
I like your theory on swan song for Jeremy Renner. I would LOVE to see Hawkeye lead a team like he did in the comics with the West Coast Avengers. I predict Downey and Evans, maybe even Johansson will return in Secret Wars.
I hope Rhodey gets to have a leadership role moving forward. love me some War Machine
Excellent segment!!! So interesting!!
whatever happened to White Vision? 🤔
I’m not sure if I like the new Avengers lineup but we’ll see how well the MCU will turn out.
If we're leaving names off of the list to accommodate a future team of younger heroes, then Ms Marvel has to be off of the list, right?
The only reason. I would say Ms. Marvel is on the team. It would make sense. If because she’s worked with the main avengers. What’s why she would lead the young avengers.
@@Danvers89 I guess that makes sense. We'll see what they do in The Marvels.
Maybe yes or maybe not. Since she will be in The Marvels and was basically the protagonist of the Video Game she's got the best shot out of the other young ones as she might be involved with the cosmic stuff happening. Then again could be she's part of the movie but not an official full on avenger. Maybe in training or something
Yall need to know about the Peter Gyrich phase where the team had too many members and was forced to cut the roster down. Meta gags all around
Spider-Man gets the black suit in the “Secret Wars” comic, and we know a piece of the symbiote now exist in the MCU, and the Secret Wars logo is black and white. Not only should Spidey be in these movies, but they should kick off a PROPER “Venom story” in the MCU🙏🤞
Interesting idea. I could see Eddie Brock making an appearance and infecting Peter with a symbiote.
@@barbiquearea They don't have to have Brock infect him. IF Kang is responsible for Secret Wars, he could have tracked down and captured the bit of symbiote that was left after NWH, took it to an underground lab on Battleworld, and that's where Spidey finds it, like in the comics. And then in his next movie he can infect Brock, and get things back on track.
I think Moon Knight will be in Midnight Sons along with Blade, Black Knight , Ghost Rider and Dr. Strange