7 Reasons that Aptera might not be for you.
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- As the saying goes, if you try to please everyone, you'll please no one. Aptera is targeted at a VERY specific demographic and it's totally ok if you're not in that group.
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All the current cars on the road are weird and ugly, Aptera is the first sane vehicle in more than a century.
Future generations, when they compare their future iterations of Aptera (yes that is the car of the future generations) with the conventional cars we have today, will be feeling the same way we feel today when we see cars of the 1920s.
All other cars are Ugly?? No … maybe consistently aerodynamically similar designs and esthetics ( accept Tesla’s cybertruck … but Aptera! )
Aptera Is the only one that is TOTALLY obsessed with BOTH aerodynamics and engineering EFFICIENCY... AND UNCOMPROMISING ABOUT IT
and Yes it’s a unique design solution because of that )!
Jet’s … and dolphins and sharks … are the closest thing to this Aptera styling uniqueness.
I love it. ( but then I always have loved jets, sharks and dolphins too ).
I like that opinion, it made me laugh. All cars on the road are just cliche to me, they look similar and for good reason: Same objective and the same resources. Aptera's SEV has a different objective, negating an entirely different approach.
I mean that’s your opinion I love my taycan turbo s and my p100d model x. There are many beautiful cars, aptera is… okay in the looks department, but I’ll reserve final judgement until my gamma shows up
still... looks like a airplane without wings
I’m 100% in agreement and this is exactly what I’m looking for in a most efficient vehicle. I see comments from some on the web wishing for changes in Aptera. Everyone needs to realize what it is and what changes would detract from that and also greatly delay its introduction. You did a good service pointing out these factors. I hope to see Aptera meet and maybe exceed the production schedule. With the price of energy increasing for the foreseeable future, Aptera is needed today.
Types of comments from some people:
* I want it to look boxy and normal like all the other vehicles and hold 6 passengers and hold a bike and rook rack with no drag and it should tow a solar array the size of two football fields and be able to mine Bitcoin with the solar panels and have an hydraulic suspension so that I can slowly take it low-riding down Nevada Avenue and it should be a convertible, but still meet safety ratings and ohm the convertible roof should be solar too and it should not only float but propel itself on water but why stop there as it should go under the water like in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and it Maybe change the name from Aptera to Tera so that you could put wings on it because it's already aerodynamic and and and.... if you incorporate all of my changes then it will never be built! lol
*NO*
I want all-wheel drive, 3 rows....with tesla acceleration.
@@fanfare100 dang I'm canceling my reservation right meow! I thought it could at least mine doge coin =/ =b lol enjoyed your comment 👍
@@osl5686 the all wheel drive aptera does 3.5s 0-60 I believe, I'd say tesla like
omg, ppl need to put up (the deposit) or stfu.
Thank you very much for bringing theses points to discussion.
I love avery thing about the Aptera. I'm retired and it is perfect vehicle for me. I think it will be an excellent choice for all retirees to see the Country. It is also and excellent choice for senior couples and young couples without children.
It is a way to reduce CO2 footprint and be good to the environment.
I have full confidence that Aptera will be a huge success.
It only needs to advertised to be known for the general public. I guess it will once it to production then all majors TV stations and newspapers cannot ignore it.
Aptera keep the good work. We love you!
Yes this is my vehicle for retirement also, although it looks like I may retire before my reservation is ready.
It simply looks like an airplane without wings...not sure how anyone could not see the beauty in that. (I am a pilot). Yes, because of that it is pretty efficient (unlike airplanes in general), but the best way to reduce carbon footprint is to take public transit and forgo the idea of owning a car in the first place. Cars are a very selfish high carbon machines no mater how you look at it. If they ever get to production stage, I'm in...but if you have to have one, best leave it int he driveway until you are going somewhere that public transit can't take you. 'Fortunately?' for me I can justify owning one because in the small rural town I live in there is no public transit.
Enjoy your retirement...at my advanced age I am still not there.....
I have driven small two seat cars most of my life, even with a family of 5 children. As a second car of course. My wife always schemed to get my two seater. She is already scheming how to get my Aptera when delivered. We are now empty nesters. Expect the Aptera to do better than the Mini did in the UK in the 60's and 70's and in the U.S. lately.
The large amount of cargo space in the back should in theory make the Aptera perfect for DoorDash and/or Instacart - which is my use case.
I wonder how this would do in snowy conditions (with proper tires)? I would think the 3 motor option would be reasonable in this regard, but that third wheel dragging in the center of the lane where snow is typically built up would be scary... although at least the heavy drag would be at the back and center keeping it going fairly straight.
the other day on the way home from work and out to the bar (a 9 mile total trip) I passed 3 Miatas, 3 BMW z3s, and a Fiat 124 Spyder.. all 2 seaters, all tiny trunks. These 3 cars are not for everyone and the Aptera can take handle much more luggage.
"all tiny trunks", you nailed it. I would call them boxes of matches.
Hey! You'd be surprised how much you can fit in a Miata trunk! It's a lot deeper than it looks! (Yes, I have a Miata RF)
But, yeah, I just looked. 4.48 cubic feet in the Miata vs. 25 cubic feet in the Aptera. About the only thing I can think of is that the Aptera may not be very deep. So you have a lot width but not a lot of height--at least down at the ends.
Again, I love the car. But it's "weird," which means I need to see/feel/drive one before I'll buy it.
The Miata, z3, 124 Spider are all 2 seat convertible sports cars. The aptera is not a convertible nor a sports car. You can take all 3 to Laguna Seca for a day on the track, you're not doing that on the aptera.
I drove a 1981 Fiat Spider for 15 years. It had a beefy chrome luggage rack on the trunk lid. I bungeed all kinds of stuff to that. And we'd simply put the top down and bring our yearly Christmas tree home like the world's largest rear-view mirror pine scent. 99% of time, it was me driving it solo. You can make anything work if you want to.
@Linus A I'm guessing you haven't seen its 0-60 times or its swerve test.
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I had a chance to ride in Luna yesterday. Only 2 wheel motors, but mind blowing in the twisties for an "economy" car. The prototypes are even more beautiful in person and considering that the suspension in production models will be even better, Aptera will be a thrilling ride.
That must have been a thrilling experience. How much investment did you make in the company to earn you this honor?😁
@@adimchionyenadum2962 It was thrilling.
I doubt that it has anything to do with my investment, which is rather small in the grand scheme. They do know I was a charter brand ambassador and had more than 30 thousand views on the r/ApteraMotors sub reddit last month that I created.
@@n.brucenelson5920 So maybe the Aptera sub reddit did the trick . Of course you have been particularly active for Aptera. I remember you introduced me to the Brand Ambassador Club. You remember I was a member long before it was officially launched.
@@adimchionyenadum2962 I remember but I didn't remember I was the one who Introduced you.
I can be proud of that!
@@n.brucenelson5920 Yeah, you were the one, and I bet you can take credit for it. I can attest that you have been a particularly good Aptera Ambassador, and I think you deserve the honor that Aptera has accorded you. Congratulations!
I have an Aerospace engineering degree, so love efficient aerodynamic design, The only thing I need is to replace the Nissan Leaf or its battery that I own due to battery degradation. So waiting a couple of years will be hard.
Put my deposit in 6-8 months ago. In the meantime, I’ll drive my new Tesla Y. Can’t wait to see Aptera’s production start! This is a true form of “hybrid”, using solar to convert to electric energy for transportation.
Love it! Solar/plug "hybrid" 😀
Have you gotten the car yet?😊
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Reason 8: if you live in Europe. The car width is just too wide for the narrow European roads and car park spaces. I checked and realised that I won't be able to get out of the car if parked in most local underground parking. Really hope Aptera will come out with a narrower car as I really like it.
It’s not much wider than a model 3, if not slimmer. There’s a RUclips short talking about the width of the aptera vs that of different regions streets
@@braydonvg03 Aptera is 88” wide, while TM3 is “only” 76” wide mirrors folded (which is considered already quite wide in Europe). These 12” make a lot of difference as I could park a TM3 but not an Aptera in my underground carpark.
This will probably be true in Hawaii also. Their parking spaces are intentionally small.
I'm in. I can wait, I luv the efficiency, I luv the styling, and I have no nee to tow. One passenger and limited load capacity fit my needs.
As a long time motorcyclist, I'm used to these limitations. Thanks for video.
Thanks for doing this video! Many people make these arguments and claim that the Aptera is a bad vehicle because of one of your points listed. And I always jump in by saying that the Aptera EV has a specific and LIMITED appeal. And for many buyers it is simply not a good fit for their needs or expectations in a car. And that is fine because the car market is big enough to fully support niche vehicles that don't try and do everything for everyone. I believe that Aptera will sell every one of these EVs that they can build. And for those buyers (like me and you) this EV is an ideal fit. A couple additional points that people have objection to are that the Aptera has 3 wheels, and it's not a "car", and also that the outboard wheels make the Aptera too wide. So if you feel that a vehicle with 3 wheels is absurd, unsafe or impractical, or feel that because it's 88" wide up front that it will be a problem to drive in your area, then it's not a vehicle that you will want. Or at least hold off on judgement to see how the Aptera works in real life, once the Aptera is formally tested and available to personally test drive.
Yeah, it seems like such a basic concept that different vehicles are for different needs. The Aptera is a vehicle for a certain use case and it's awesome for that use. I just want people to understand what they are getting when they order it!
No matter what vehicle one buys there will be compromises. I for one am not willing to sacrifice our planet to get from place to place. People need to wake up, stop indulging themselves, smell the coffee and do everything we can to fight climate change. Regardless of what compromises buyers might make, buying an Aptera is a big step in the right direction towards saving our planet.
I would have worded the title of this video differently:
"Seven things people who are considering an Aptera should consider" might have been more appropriate.
It is advice rather than a warning.
As to a trailer, they can be used to extend the utility of a vehicle. I agree any trailer attached to an Aptera must be light and small. While it would reduce efficiency when in use, the rest of the time you are driving the most efficient vehicle there is.
I was trying to be a little provocative. Too much?
@@ApteraOwnersClub yes it was too much. What he suggested is completely right because you can't talk about something you have actually had access to. In my opinion you should have waited for it to come out test drove one and then give your opinion because as of right now the things you mentioned are solely things that you should consider if you're thinking about purchasing one compared to the people who actually know that they want the car
@@ApteraOwnersClub The title I see is "7 Reasons that Aptera might not be for you." I don't see any problem with that.
I beg to disagree regarding some of these reasons:
1. Yes, THIS Aptera is a two seater, but they are planning and already designing bigger super efficient vehicles with more seats. All you have to do is hold your breath while waiting! ;-)
2. Yes, if you need a car right now you'll have to buy a different one, but I'd recommend to get a used one just to bridge the time until getting hold of the Aptera you can reserve for just 100 bucks right now.
3. If you live in NY, Massachusetts or Alaska, don't have and don't want to have a motorcycle license AND don't want a driver who drives your car - oh well, bad luck! (remember The Beatles? "Baby you can drive my car, yes I'm gonna be a star... and maybe I'll love you")
4. Towing a small trailer: I clearly remember thet (IIRC) Steve Fambro said at some point in an interview that they were definitely planning to add the towing possibility for Aptera, and even that such a trailer would offer more solar panel surface. Which would be an excellent weight to Watt ratio if you ask me. And without any doubt ist would be relatively easy to design an aerodynamic and in any way efficient trailer at comparably low costs. My bet is that Aptera motors will go for it.
5. If you don't care about efficiency you still can and should buy an efficient car, especially when it doesn't cost more than a not efficient one. Yes, you can buy it and not care about its virtues, no problem there. Except of not being able to put very bulky stuff in (big bags and big suitcases will fit though) they made no trade-offs they only made it look different for the sake of efficiency. And other small cars will not allow transporting a sofa inside either, so what.
6. If you hate this styling... ok then you probably would be well off wearing dark glasses in order to be able to ignore other beautiful things in this world as well. Yes I know I am not very tolerant towards people with (in my not so humble opinion) have a bad taste! LOL ;-)
7. You don't want to get attention... I can tell you that it's just a learning process in life. I am a rather shy and modest guy and even though managed to get used to get attention when I started to commute with an aerodynamically enclosed human powered tricycle (velomobile, model "GoOne Evolution"). Yes, I had to learn answering questions as well as sometimes telling people politely that right now I had no time to answer questions. It will help having some information (stickers, flyers) ready to hand out or even put a stickes with a QR-Code on the Aptera so people can scan it and read all they might want to know.
My comment was very similar to yours except yours was more thorough
I would definitely tow an aerodynamic trailer with a good 400w on top of it.
I think it's the perfect vehicle for road trips and short Trips around town .
Yes!
That and I hope to take it cross-country and camping too.
Cross country? It says in the ad “up to 40 miles a day on solar power”. It’s just a plug in EV with a little solar charging.
@@Harikarikillboy-fs5vl 40 miles is about what a lot of people drive to get to work, get groceries or drive their kids to school,so it works great for short distance, and if you need to make a long drive, you get between 250 and 1000 miles per recharge, depending on the model.
@@yourfather8865 This. This would be my primary car since I'm single. Going to work foe me is about 10 miles, round trip. My gym is on the way. I only grocery shop once a week and the stores are within 5 minutes from home. This vehicle would be perfect for me. I would never have to charge it throughout the week. My only issue is when I drive to St. Louis twice a month (160 mi. round trip). The car would easily get me there and back, 3 times. Yes, I may have to charge it when I come back, but since I'd be spending 10 miles a day (Mon-Sat), but possbly gaining 40 mi/day via solar, I may not even have to do that. :-)
If you're a motorhead this is really the EV for you. It's one of the few options which endorses the right to repair, and is seemingly the exact right fit for someone who wants to wrench on your projects, but still needs something reliable to run for parts and get to work.
I am absolutely fascinated and in love with this vehicle. My only issue is with the high price. When it was announced and available I put down my deposit. I invested in the company as much as I could at the time. I don't have two nickels to rub together. But, somehow I am going to have this vehicle. I live in New Jersey and I have a motorcycle license because I ride. I'm not crazy about the attention that it might bring to me. But, I think I can handle it. The efficiency is absolutely the attraction. I promote the company for this vehicle every chance I get. I love sharing my referral link. I wish there was more benefits to that. I'm saving my nickels from the edge of my seat.
maybe I'm wrong but the 3 wheel set up was probably to avoid all the requirements for a 4 wheel vehicles licensing, crash testing, so on. Licensed as a motorcycle.
Love it would buy one today if i could, as long as its good in snow
The reason is because everything on it is set up for the best efficiency. The shape is so that the car isn't pushing against as much wind, giving more range. That's also why it has 3 wheels, you can still drive it while having less wind affecting the vehicle and reducing rolling resistance.
Edit: They still treat it like a car, they want all the safety features that a car needs and will be doing crash testing to show that it's safe.
@@Sam-gf1eb nah. It's for the reasons laid out above. This is common for many manufacturers to skirt the incredibly expensive restrictions on 4 wheel automobiles.
@@MastaSquidge Do research before you make assumptions. Other companies do it for money, none of them went based on efficiency though
@@Sam-gf1ebthey literally mentioned it in one of their interviews...
Who has 2 thumbs and is "weird and awesome"? THIS guy!! lol This car is for ME!
Really like the concept of this vehicle and I'm tempted to drop the money for a pre-order to support the company at the risk of not getting the finished product.
The two strikes against it for me are the sheer width of the vehicle (which appears to be necessary for the aerodynamics) which will make it interesting on some of the rural roads round here and more importantly having such a unique vehicle by a small company is going to make getting repairs done a massive issue, especially outside of the US. Loving that After is planning on releasing as much info/guides as possible to support repairs but I can't see many none specialist garages touching it with a barge pole 😢
Well the pre order money is refundable so there's really not much risk. $70 bucks with the link in the description and if they go belly up, you'll get the $70 back because it's held in an escrow account.
I drive a BMW i3. I’m used to weird looking cars that stick out. I love this thing!
I don’t have a partner, I have a Hyundai Kona EV now so I can wait, I hope people notice the car so they learn about this car. 🖖🏼
Fun, practical commentary. Love it!
If I didn't think I would destroy it on the logging road to my place this would be perfect for us.
Of the reasons listed, #2 and #7 would be my reasons to hold back from getting one.
#2. If something happens to my current car, I'll need a new one right away. Otherwise, we're good.
#7. I'm fine with answering questions and what not. But sometimes I take longer to do stuff in traffic than people would like so I like being able to blend. But the Aptera would be worth it in my opinion.
I personally think that if they can implement an attachable tow hitch, the attachment point covered by a small panel for aerodynamics when not in use, then they should.
Just because it's meant to be aerodynamic doesn't mean it should be incapable of towing at any point during it's life. Does Aptera's "vision" include _"nobody should ever be towing anything, it's inefficient, it's not aero"_ ? I don't think so. At the very least I think they should plan and release a guide for how and where a tow hitch could be best attached. It doesn't matter if the towing capacity is limited, unless it's barely able to tow an empty small utility trailer. What matters is that if the owner would like to tow something too large to fit inside, and it's not too heavy for the vehicle to handle it, then they're able to do it.
The hitch would be for a bike rack. Yeah, that affects aero, but I don't think that's a major concern for short drives to a place to ride, particularly if it takes slow roads to get there.
There are several folding bikes out there that should fit underthe hatch thus not requiring a hitch mount.
@@richardkozloski8019 I'm aware and they're great for commuters and circus bears, but I build custom bikes and need a hitch mount. Also, plenty of people have mountain bikes they might not want to take apart to try to jam into the back of an Aptera, particularly if covered in mud.
The precept of this article is worse than annoying. I woke in a good mood this morning…then I unfortunately crashed into this crummy idea of rubbing everybody’s apprehensions about owning a radically futuristic mode of transportation, as if how fun it would be to think backwards for the sake of some counter-argument:
Yes. It is not a sedan. Isn’t it more like a fighter jet? (I want to argue, btw, that storage capacity in the Aptera is more comparable to a standard design than this article suggests. The motors are inside the wheels, for instance. That leaves cubic space for you.) Yes. It is not for the shy person. Yes. There is absolutely nothing comparable to an Aptera on the road today, or coming in the near future. So…,Can we talk about what makes this car so freaking valuable now?
Yes, please. PS, thanks for doing the article, even tho’ I didn’t like it; I appreciate getting updates on release dates. In fact, I’m totally starved for information.
Maybe Aptera Owner's Club should do a counter video on the reasons why everybody should want to own this piece of concept, world-unique, futuristic, tricycle, car.
I kind of agree with you. Since this site posted what may be reality of the delivery projections, I have stopped fantasizing about the Aptera. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed a slow down on Aptera news on RUclips?
My current car lease is up in a year and I was hoping to have my 1 Kmi Aptera by then. But it looks like I am going to have settle for something else.
@@IDNHANTU2day I think Aptera did the right thing to give a realistic estimate of their production scheme. This would help everybody rationalize their expectations and go about their business. Creating a buzz and hype that you can't satisfy is a worse option.
live in the SC countryside where we get a LOAD of sun but the clearance of this great car,......, on even just the average paved road, parking lot speed bumps would easily take out all the areo-skirting. Pitty- I'd get one hands down and would if they re-thought out the clearance design- even if there was a model that was not as aerodynamic to make it drivable on REAL roads in the country. To my own thinking, they made huge trade off in losing a lot of folks that would definitely buy one with this issue.
best reason to buy it: if you can use it on Autobahn, you will be one of the fastest electric cars because everyone else tries to save battery capacity ^^
I think the Achilles heel of the vehicle is it’s unusual width. It defo won’t be easy to park with it in dense urban areas.
I would say that the Aptera is not the best vehicle for a dense urban area. There are better options for that use case.
8. Safety
9. Ride Comfort
10. Width
11. Proven reliability
Remove where you said "Safety" 😂😂😂😂
Edit: Mbad, remove everything except width
Good job overall. One you missed is the weight. Many people don't want to drive an 1800 pound vehicle when new EVs are coming in at 4,000 to 6,000 pounds.
Also the legal issues with cameras replacing the mirrors atm
I have no problem with the design. It carries more than my old 1984 Pontiac Fiero 2M4. I love 2 seaters. I'm fine with waiting
Aptera has a lot of glass area, has to live outside. I hate driving with dirty windows, but don’t want to have to wash them all every day. Solution: a dust cover that protects the glass without interfering with the solar array - and how do you secure that and get it on and off quickly and easily? Oh, and it needs to be durable, and not real bulky.
Hello, I would like to tell you the envy aroused by this vehicle in France. You would be amazed at the enthusiasm caused by the creation of this car and I hope with all my heart that the Aptera company will decide to sell its vehicles in Europe. Do you know more about Aptera's business plan to expand its market outside the United States?
Yes they absolutely intend to expand to international markets and they have several brand ambassadors in Europe so Europe is definitely an intended market. I suspect that it will be several years before the vehicle makes it over there
@@ApteraOwnersClub Yes, it will be necessary to go through the different levels of approval in force
No doubt it is going to get many attentions driving Aptera on the road for now.
Very useful indeed. Congrats once again for the good job you are doing. I have #8 reason why you shouldn't order an Aptera: If you live in Europe! I don't see us getting ours any time soon.
We have two kids and plan to have more. I spend most of my driving time by myself going to work and running errands.
I currently drive a 2008 Mazda MX5, which is a small two-seat vehicle. I see this as a futuristic two-seater that also has the convenience of more carrying capacity than the MX5 does. Sure, it's a much different experience than driving an open air car, but that's not what's important to me with this car. A small vehicle that can carry one passenger, and some cargo (or my pup) in the back, and have excellent efficiency and range, is very attractive to me. I just reserved one today.
I also drive an '08 MX-5 PRHT but love the idea of owning an Aptera. I also live in San Diego and, as such, could be one of the first early adopters. But I can not wait, and already await delivery on an Arcimoto FUV. Next month Sept 10/11th, is the Fully Charged Live event and hope to see a gamma version.
I think this will sell in Europe where gas costs appr. $7 gallon and people are used to small cars.
the only issue with the European market for Aptera is that it's pretty wide at 88 inches.
Number seven will be true for about a year until we start seeing more on the road. Keep up the excellent reports.
Hope so!
In California or BC sure but in areas that even tesla are rare these things will be like seeing a unicorn. Even if they make 10000 per year it will take time until its a relatively common sight.
I understand Aptera needs to raise additional $ 50 mill.
I'd like to know where I can go and invest some money.
I really love the the concept and have reserved my Aptera .
Test it in snow country where the sun don't shine and salt and ice build up on your electric motors and wheel fairings. Airplanes take their wheel fairings off in the winter so the wheels don't freeze up. I can't imagine worse conditions for it, but that's where I live. We drive 700 miles to our son's house, 400 one day and 300 the next. So, after sitting in the parking lot all night, will it be ready for the last 300? Can you charge it from a wall outlet? And, I love it, I hope it works under these conditions, best of luck to you!
My concern is since it’s so light wait what’s preventing people from stealing it? Just picking it up putting it in a truck? I bet four guys could do that. I’ve had my car stolen before so now I look at that
I was contemplating the design of a very lightweight, aerodynamic PV panel trailer for additional charging capacity.
A semi self-driving trailing cargo only version of aptera sounds like a good "compromise", or single wheel aerodynamic trailer
Towing - lot of people have a 6x4 garden trailer that they might use a few times in the summer. Or they may have a motorcycle trailer that's useful. Simply doesn't matter if you violate the efficiency principle occasionally. Main thing is a hard point for a hitch and issues around how it affects the rear end.
New York just passed a new auto cycle law
The Aptera is a perfect company car for me, the two concerns I have in the UK are that it’s currently too wide & I’m not sure how they are going to fit a UK rear number plate into the current space. I guess they will be working on both of these points!
I love the Aptera car, and I am probably one of millions of people who would love to own an Aptera. Aptera would renew the car industry globally. Where are the investors who can make Aptera the new global car player and make the car industry truly more sustainable? If it’s taking ages and Aptera will remain a small outlet from California? Aptera can be the new Apple equivalent for the global car industry.
No lie I was sad when I saw how long it's going to take I still want my Aptera but damn 😂😂
😂😂. I feel you
Great vehicle !! Why !!! doesn't ANYone talk about how their design operates in wind, water, snow ??????? BTW thank you for speaking English and not BRITISH !!!
I drive a Gen 1 Honda Insight that weighs about the same as an Aptera, and even without ABS/traction control has decent performance in snow and wind. The superior traction control and aerodynamics of the Aptera should make it even better. The designer of the production wheel covers is from Mass. and is familiar with the kinds of winters they get there. Also the motors have been tested in 10 ft of salt water, so they are well sealed against environmental intrusion.
I would buy this car for the styling alone. I cant stop looking at this car.
launch vehicle will be too expensive, Im assuming around $35,000. The same price of a model 3. the market is going to be so small for this product with tesla in the picture.
I want one that goes 1000 miles I’m taking it across country to my sisters I can afford to go back-and-forth if I’ve got that
Wow, people need an explanation about a 2 seater not being able to carry 7 people.
If you have one two gallon bucket and a 3 gallon bucket, how many buckets do you have?
This video is a bit tongue in cheek
I'm six foot 5 inches tall. I can fit into a Toyota Corolla. I'm just wondering if I will fit in this Aptera. I put an order in for one. I just hope the seat can be put back as far as possible. :)
You should fit!
See video of Jack of Fully Charged (same height).
#3 can be updated; I believe that Massachusetts is now the only state requiring a motorcycle license for autocycles.
I reserved one of these. Not sure if I’ll end up getting one. I am looking for a no frill basic commuter for around town. If Tesla comes up with their $5000 car, that will be my car. One advantage I see Aptera has over low cost EVs is that I could drive to LA with it once in awhile, 350 miles round trip. With all the add ons my Aptera came to $36000. That’s a bit expensive for a commuter. However, one great advantage Aptera offers is the ability to do long distance rides.
$5000 Tesla car = Golf cart
Great video. Hope this company is a success.
Us too!
If an owner had a teardrop trailer (aluminum body for heat sink) that you could load camping gear, bedding, atv, motorcycles, cooking gear, etc. in. wanted to tow it behind an aptera; then wouldn't it be a good idea to coat the outside with solar panels? extending the range and charging ability (when parked as well as when moving). Even better would be to sell the solar panels with instructions on how to connect them, cable and connectors, gluing instructions, etc. Then the panels could be put on any trailer. I have a 14' cargo trailer with solar power installed that would love
to be coated on all sides and the top. 245 sq. ft. of solar panels is a lot !! my mppt solar charge controller only allows 150 volts of PV input, that's about 1770 solar cells that could be on the cargo trailer, not counting the back ramp/door. the aptera has 193 solar cells. 9 times the cells = 40 miles x 6 = 240 more miles minus the towing energy it takes to tow the trailer. One trailer side
will probably not be in the sunshine.
The Aptera, is for me. And I agree it is not for everyone. I am fortunate, I can have two vehicles. My second vehicle is a truck, so I can haul supplies. I live in an area where I will have to plug in my Aptera. (I have no problem with getting motorcycle license so I can travel anywhere.) but, by the time I get my vehicle who knows what laws will change, I may not have to get a motorcycle vehicle license. [towing capacity is under 2000 pounds depending upon additional weight you can figure on about 1200 pounds… it is not how do you say a towing vehicle] hence, my work truck will also be my towing vehicle if I go fishing I need a boat. For pleasure, nothing that you have mentioned is annoying to me, it is part of the package. I’m also retired so I have the time.
I have chosen the Aptera… trading off my dream vehicle of a 59 bugeye sprite. Attention is not a problem because I’ve developed a habit of ignoring other people, this is a trade-off for me. I’m looking at it as I am being an ambassador for the vehicle. I do agree it’ll be impossible for me to ignore people when I’m driving my Aptera. On the other hand, one very very positive thing is, if the car is stolen it will be noticed and recovered.
My dad many years ago was at an auto show of classic vehicles. Somebody decided to steal a 1938 Pierce arrow (straight 12 engine, it is big and silver) it was spotted before the people even knew that it was stolen in the morning. Not a good vehicle to car-jack.
Good to know that in MA, I will need a motorcycle license which I kind of want anyway.
The last time I checked, (when I took the MC course), here in MA, you can take the MC test with an autocycle. Your endorsement would just be restricted to that type of vehicle. You would not be legal to operate a conventional MC.
My State Farm agent told me this would be classified as a sports car because it's a two seater. So I pay more to insure it.
Also, my state requires two plates front/back. I don't see a spot to put front plates.
I think your agent thinks it's a car. It's legally a motorcycle.
I paid the $100 because I like the aerodynamic design, I have to ride 70 km every weekday and whenever the weather suits, I ride these tours with my CBR1100xx and at the end of the day we both (bike and rider) are not getting any younger ;)
If you use the link in the description you could pay $70 instead of $100
@@ApteraOwnersClub I've always ordered in January 2021 (No.16329)
@@peterh1512 nice you're in early! :)
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Circus elephant: is this car for me???
No, if you're a circus elephant, you will not fit into an Aptera.
It certainly isn't for me right now. I didn't drive a preorder today. I agonized about only having only 4 seats in the Volt. In the years I've been driving it, it's gone from sometimes being an issue to virtually never an issue. Two years from now, who knows?
I'm in Ontario Canada. Autocycles in Ontario require a license depending on seat type. If it is a chair and has a steering "wheel" then a car license is all that is needed, if it has a saddle seat or handlebars, then a motorcycle license is required. Unfortunately either way a helmet is required even if fully enclosed. (at least as of the last I toughly looked into it a couple of months ago)
This and I sometimes need more then 2 seats is why I unfortunately am looking at other cars. And due to price tag and other factors (live in apartment with no place to charge at home or work) I will likely need to get an ICE car. Really unfortunate, as I love the look and design principles of the Aptera.
yes that's unfortunate that the laws haven't caught up with modern vehicles like the Aptera
I wonder if they will go to hydrogen fuel route in the future
Are the seats comfortable for long trips?
I've got the same question. I live in Florida so this car is a no-brainer, but all of my family lives on the west coast, from San Diego to Yakima Washington.
I placed an order for my Aptera a few weeks ago. No hurry here, I will keep my current weird car (Smart electric) until my Aptera is ready. Maybe I keep the Smart for winter driving days and the Aptera for all other days. It will be nice to have an electric car I can travel cross country in with no range anxiety!
Question is will Aptera have a dealer network once the cars are in production and being delivered? I did send a query to Aptera about a possible bike rack (not a trailer) as I ride a lot of places not that close to home and I am getting old enough to not want to have to lift a road bike into the back of the car if there is another option. Good video and I joined the club - thanks!
The only "reason" I see is the delay until 2025. The price is not bad when compared with a similar daily driver. I hope they get this working soon. I'm very interested on this but I see that waiting list and wow.
Most likely price will be a 25 to 50 higher by then and then you add the options
Thanks, appreciated your response re foul wx operations. Good points on your article. I live in Alaska and think this teardrop vehicle is the
greatest thing ever to come down the pike !!! I have designs for acquiring one as soon as they are in production !! First, however, I must convince
my wife how cool she would look driving one and her Rav4 wears out !! Good days to you!!
The eighth reason may be that the current trim cost are going to increase. I expect we are looking at $5K based on supply chain and inflation. It still may be a good value but will be more costly than the Honda, Toyota and Hyundai hybrids. Not really apples to apples but practicality wise they are superior for their price.
To me it looks like the primary reason would be that it's just too wide to be practical in many places.
The ideal Aptera owner....A Twenty-four year old white male, no secondary education, matter of fact, never graduated high school. This individual has but only one or two close friends, never found nor has a passion for much of anything. He spends a few hours a day "working" remotely on his computer. He makes enough money to "play with", but accumulates most of it. He still lives with his parents, they are "well off", his parents had made lucky & timely investments. He is socially inept, but well read...not classical literature but mountains of Japanese "comic-book" characters....he is quick to point out they are not comic-book derived. He does not have a drivers license nor desires one, the very concept of a personal car & the freedom it allows seem strangly alien to him. This consuming lifestyle has him becoming obese, his skin pale from being inside so much. This individual is the ideal "call the guy" type, would not know how to change a tire if his life literally depended on it...His bedroom is perpetually dark as the lightbulbs have burned out & he hasn't bothered to change them....Then, one day, an Aptera rolls up to his parents nice drive-way & our pale overweight 24 YO emerges into the sunlight & hears, "son, I bought you your own car"....the guy squints a puzzled look...
It could be designed to haul a trailer and it probably should be eventually, or at least a heavy duty model that will have a tow package. But they possibly could do it without changing on the car itself, just a removable trailer hitch, and still maintain its current efficiency, but don't expect that level of efficiency when the trailer is hooked up. But this is the part of the design i was talking about, the trailer itself. The trailer will have any needed extra battery power the car might need due to hauling the trailer attached, to keep the range acceptable. Also they put the car and trailer in the wind tunnel and come up with natures shape for best efficiency, and build the trailer accordingly. Then the car itself never changed, not even a single pound of battery weight was added to it, because it is in the trailer. The only time you need the extra battery power is when you are hauling anyway, so go ahead and use that information it is free, because i love you. lol
That is assuming the motor is strong enough to haul the trailer at speeds, but i believe it probably will be because i heard them talking about how they believe Germany will notice a good efficiency at high speeds, so the motors are most likely decently sized(hefty). But if they needed to come out with a heavy duty model in order to haul trailer at speed, like i mentioned earlier, then it will have bigger motors and maybe more battery. But of course the heavy duty model will be less efficient, but will haul more stuff. But another possibility is to just install the motors on the trailer itself if you needed more HP to haul the trailer with a reasonable load, if the current motors on car are too small.
But hopefully once they get the car and trailer in the wind tunnel design right, it won't need a heavy duty model or extra motors in the trailer, and you can just use the current model car as is. Then unhook the trailer and its battery and you have the same exact car, same shape, weight, and number of wheels. But the trailer will look weird too because it will be designed in a wind tunnel, but an awesome aero look blended with aero of car. It will probably look like an extended tail, aligning and matching with the flat horizontal fin on the back of the car swooping on a curve downward and then swooping back up in a gradual curve.
But actually once you get into the wind tunnel adding trailers, then it is highly possible part of the car might need to be changed, and depending on the change might not hurt the car itself, but until i test it myself in a wind tunnel i just don't know. Just try to find the best combination for best efficiency without trailer and then with trailer, and marry those two. If the shape they already have is truly the best shape for the car itself, then they already have that done. Now they just need to find the best shape that goes with it for the trailer. But regardless, even if it can't be done, even if no matter what shape they try it still drags the same or very close to it, it still can be done, just not very efficiently. The the extra battery power will be in the trailer so it still can drag against the wind and still get some range. But remember , it is not that with this car and trailer that you would be hauling everyday, or even once a month. So, when disconnected from trailer have fun never having to recharge, but once you want to haul a load of something, or go camping you can, hook it up.
But CERTAINLY, the trailer will have those same solar cells everywhere possible, along with a battery at the bottom. Not only that, if it is a camper model, then it will open up when camped, and take up more area and those additions that open up will be solar cells on the outside too to get more energy for camping lights, cooking, hot water, fridge, etc...
They were limited by range, so in essence limited by the density of energy they could store in the car, minus the amount they could capture back using the solar cells. That is why it is a only a 2 seater, and no trailer hitch. But in the very near future there are other ways to get more energy dense materials, that weigh less. So it means in the near future they will most likely be making a 4 door, it will most likely look very similar but a little bigger and load capacity a little bigger(doubled) and still get 1000 mile range and more. But until solar cells improve they will be limited at 40-50 mile range extension from that, closer to 50 because it will be a bigger car can have more cells.
Unles you have more than two people to transport, there is no reason why this vehicle is not the right vehicle for you! This is a god send to the solar vehicle market....Do your duty!!
I would be interested to see the collision testing.
Ah crap! I live in NY. I hope by the time these are production ready that NY allows people to buy and drive them without having to get a motorcycle license.
I'm wanting to find out if any winter driving was performed as I live in Alberta Canada I am concerned about driving in snow. Sometimes roads are not ploughed and I'm especially concered how the rear wheel boot will stand up to pushing all the snow that will be built up in the centre of the lane, The wheel cover clearance is very close so will there be interference for ice build up in this area?
1000 mile range and level 2 autonomy is all I needed to hear.
None of the things mentioned is an obstacle for me, still a No Brainer!
Check your facts, I'm pretty sure Aptera has a tow hitch package. It's one of the topics I discussed before putting in my reservation.
you are correct. they do plan on a hitch. 300lbs max towing so it's pretty limited towing and it will kill the efficiency but they do plan on it for now.
The Apetera is the only car I would buy other than a Tesla.
Is there a theft deterrent? If someone breaks in can they just push a button to start it?
No there's going to be a card key or app key very similar to Tesla
I'm wondering if jurisdictions that require a motorcyclist license to drive an Aptera will allow you to take a motorcycle driver's test in an Aptera.
Somehow I doubt it
I am afraid you have to take a bi-cycle test in order to get a tricycle license. Entirely absurd.
My first vehicle was a Honda Express: sort of a moped without pedals, if that makes any sense. Anyway the thing didn't have a clutch and was more like riding a scooter. Technically it was road-legal (unlike a moped) so I had to get a motorcycle endorsement on my license -- even though to this day I don't know how to drive a "real" motorcycle.
HOW About getting in & out.? For seniors.
I think it's pretty similar to getting in and out of a civic
Do your daily stretching and strength routines (you DO have those, right?) and getting in and out of a car ought not be an issue. (77 here).
It fits everything I need I would prefer mine with a stupid cool joystick instead of a steering wheel and pedals and while we are at it it needs to sound like a Jetsons car and I’m all over that shit. Love it and I’m a die hard v8 muscle car, Ferrari, Porsche and other lover. I just think the whole future of transportation needs a massive overhaul but never replace displacement at the same time. Best of both worlds. If it moves and has a throttle of any kind I want it.
My son's reasons: 1) Too inefficient (his cargo e-trike gets 40 miles/kWh). 2) Have to have insurance. 3) Can't drive it on bike trails. 4) Too expensive (his e-trike is about $5k). 5) Too heavy (his e-trike weighs under 100 pounds).
For shorter distances, nothing beats a bicycle. I will continue to use my bike on all trips less than 20 miles. But really hard to do 200 mile trips on a bicycle. Or if I want to go on hike in the mountains and the trailhead is 60 miles away from my house. By the time I road my bike there, is have to turn around and come back home.
@Aptera Owner's Club A recumbent trike is way more comfortable than a bicycle. His has a 100 mile range with 2 of 5 batteries installed and it's a tandem that can tow. So, from his point of view, it's better than any car.
I'm interested in an Aptera to replace my Prius Prime but I really need a third seat. Looks like there's plenty of room so I'll wait and see.
the 2 seats will be a dealbreaker for most. its also inefficient compared to an ebike.
Perfect companion to my Cybertruck...
I dont care this is the coolest fucking thing ever and the geek in me is just losing it over this and I’m obsessed and in love.
I am extremely interested in the Aptera but would like to ask what may be considered a Stupid Question. I am not looking for the Aptera to be a luxury vehicle; however, I watched a video yesterday with Jay Leno test Driving I believe the Gamma prototype with the Aptera CEO. Every time they accelerated from a stop I heard a loud whirring sound and then once up to speed it quieted but was still noticeable. To me this would be annoying while driving. Will this be taken care of once it goes into production?
One fine future day, I could buy a drone with all the gas money I didn’t spend after buying my first Aptera. Program it to just follow me in the lead car, and, presto, no need (or want) for a conventional trailer. Now I could tow two more human beings, too, another thing a trailer can’t do. [Quote: the best part is no part.-Elon Musk]
Agree- I used to be a Tesla fan, but Elon Musk is such a grossly immature man and incompetent leader who can't seem to enforce quality control. It's only amazing and disgusting that Tesla, with a mere 5% of the world's car market, has a market capitalization equal to all the other major car makers in the U.S., Japan, Korea, and Europe combined. When investors finely get over the spell Musk has cast on them, that stock will drop like a decabling elevator.
Does anyone know if we will be able to get financing for the Aptera? I would LOVE to own one but I don't have the funds to purchase one outright.
What happens if I live in New Jersey and go to New York. Do I still need a motorcycle license if I’m from a state that isn’t needed?