Garage Door - Air & Bug Sealing

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  • Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2020
  • On this episode Matt is using his current garage as a testing ground for some garage upgrades that he is hoping to employ at his new house!
    The goal is to have a similar level of control over his new garage, which will be conditioned by it's own mini-split unit, as he will have over his conditioned living space.
    The garage will be completely air sealed from the main house, and with the help of these new garage door tracks, ThermoTraks, his garage space will be air sealed as much a s possible. Tag along as Matt talks about his new ThermoTraks, as well as a number of other garage door upgrades!
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Комментарии • 1,4 тыс.

  • @youdig3691
    @youdig3691 3 года назад +1142

    "Toyota came out with some great ideas, I'm not affiliated with them or anything but they did send me a free car"

  • @jwsystems
    @jwsystems 3 года назад +10

    I will never put in uninsulated garage doors again. I installed Clopay "Classic Steel" 16x7 door with no windows with 18.4 R-factor and what a difference it made! My door faces west and the hot Texas Panhandle sun would heat up the garage in the afternoon to a mini oven before with the old insulated steel doors. After I installed the doors, I can go out in the garage in the afternoon and do some actual work in the garage as long as I haven't opened the door all day. I'm 100% believer in insulated doors!

  • @Gsnyder201
    @Gsnyder201 3 года назад +12

    I replaced the original wood garage door on my home about 20 years ago with an insulated steel door, and I think it has made a big difference. I will say, whoever installed this door did a great job because the door is still surprisingly weather resistant. I do like the idea of the new door tracks you showed, that is a neat idea.

  • @1956Taz
    @1956Taz 3 года назад +8

    Hi Matt! I just finished watching about your garage door sealing. One thing not to forget about that exhaust for the garage most fumes lay low to the ground reason for that you must step down into a garage from a living space, and so if you install the fans at a higher elevation you're going to cause the fumes to pull up before it leaves your house. You got to install that fan low to the ground in order to take all the fumes and exhaust out of your garage wall. So, that fan reduces your air sealing quality by putting that fan in, as you may know, those dampers don't close tight and you lose your air conditioning you lose your heating in your garage just a thought. Thank you for having such a great Channel I built two houses myself and I learned a lot of techniques while I was building my second one on the lake at Lake Hopatcong New Jersey. I Incorporated some tips of yours and it saveed me a lot of time and effort! Take care!

  • @mythoughts1................1
    @mythoughts1................1 3 года назад +6

    been waiting for a video of this type of upgrade to common garage door flashing. thank you Matt and Co.

  • @stevewilson7857
    @stevewilson7857 2 года назад +11

    I just bent my rails like these expensive ones. Garage is tighter now. Thanks for the tip!

  • @Speeglelookingglass
    @Speeglelookingglass 3 года назад +2

    You and your family deserve good things. You're a hard worker.

  • @TheMotorGuyDirect
    @TheMotorGuyDirect 3 года назад +18

    Around Chicago an insulated garage door is a must if plan on spending more than a few seconds in your garage in the winter.

  • @jlanemiller
    @jlanemiller 3 года назад +3

    Side mount is the way to go! Super quiet, super sleek. Love the myQ app especially during the construction process to allow me to know everything is safe while I’m not there. In my new construction garage we have 2- R10 insulated garage doors 18’x9’. ZipR9 on walls separating garage and living space. Motion sensor exhaust fans. Living in a cold climate with no heat and no cavity wall insulation yet the garage stays at 56° or higher even on the cold nights. It’s also a 1300sqft garage with 11’ ceilings. A warm garage is always nice to pull into or for those house projects

  • @MAC-ster
    @MAC-ster 3 года назад +17

    Really liked the follow up on the seal, something for other folks to look out for if they choose to use the product. It's not a bad thing that we have to change the way "we've always done it" to make things better. I think the company may use the feedback to make some design changes or recommendations to the end installer to correct the possible issue. Nice work, Matt!

    • @RedCandleWax24
      @RedCandleWax24 2 года назад +2

      It was installed incorrectly. According to manufacturer instructions.

  • @Prorex1911
    @Prorex1911 3 года назад +11

    I have a shop with commercial 10’ door and I got the uninsulated and then bought blue 1/2 poly foam and cut out and filled each pocket very tightly. Actually angled the tops and bottoms of each piece to slide in the groves. I put 2 pieces for every square, so I get a full inch of R value. It helps a TON as I keep my shop temperature controlled. It just looks ugly with the blue squares, but I’ll fix it eventually. Lol.

  • @looncraz
    @looncraz 3 года назад +3

    We were out of power for days due to the Texas Snowpocalypse ... having a battery backup for the garage door was just wonderful. Used it a dozen times (had to make many trips for supplies, fuel, etc... and leaving the only AWD car I have in the snow and ice didn't make sense).

  • @kccarl7447
    @kccarl7447 3 года назад +12

    Insulated doors are great 99.9% of the time. However, if you have heated garage and it is really cold out side the door can deform due to thermal dynamics. The outside metal shrinks and inside metal will expand (or not shrink), thus creating gap at the top as it bows inward. Outside temp zero farinhiet, inside 72F when i experienced this. I used an opposing squeeze camp and a board to push the top and close the gap. I have not figured out a more permanent solution as of yet. Just thought I'd share this experince. Best to all.

    • @Padoinky
      @Padoinky 7 месяцев назад

      Having had heated/cooled 4 car garages in my prior homes in Minneapolis-St Paul, Columbus OH, Carmel Indiana, DFW TX, and now NW Arkansas, I’ve never experienced winter temps in said garages in which the heater produced heated space over mid-60 temps (insulated garage walls, windows, utility doors and garage doors)

  • @wabio
    @wabio 3 года назад +22

    I'm right there with you Matt. My garage doubles as my workshop. It has full insulation (same as house), Clopay R18 doors, and a 24K mini split. I have adjusted the garage door tracks numerous times and now have it air tight and perfect. My only trouble spots are those notorious critter corners where the door, frame, and concrete intersect. I've got those gaps down to about pencil-sized hole and can probably live with that. Here's a tip: run the vinyl flap molding all the way down until it touches the concrete.....dont' cut it short. BTW, the Clopay 3-layer insulated doors are fantastic and well worth the cost if you spend as much time in the garage as I do. On a hot 100 degree summer day, the outside of the doors are scalding hot......but the inside is barely warm.

    • @Julia.Mandelbrot
      @Julia.Mandelbrot 4 месяца назад

      Mice don't have bones, they have cartilage. That's what enables them to squish through a pencil-sized hole. Recommend u fill that hole with steel wool, or make it smaller.

  • @richincody4132
    @richincody4132 3 года назад

    Fellow Pittsburgher now living in NW Wyoming just outside Yellowstone. Strong westerly winds here most of the time and my garage doors face west. Installed Clopay insulated doors that are also “wind rated.” Very happy so far. Also have 2 Chamberlain openers with My-Q. Installed mini split in garage for heating and cooling after watching your videos. Thanks for all your advice-I used much of it in my new build.

  • @captoblivious1
    @captoblivious1 3 года назад +27

    This video was packed with ideas! Really something for everyone. I have the same garage doors that i insulated with a foil faced 1/2" foam board. Foil facing toward the outside. I noticed a pretty big difference.

    • @grumpycat5991
      @grumpycat5991 2 года назад

      ^thinks infomercials are "educational"

    • @dontfit6380
      @dontfit6380 2 года назад +1

      @@grumpycat5991 actually he said it was full of ideas not educational. I knew nothing about those thermotraks. So yeah it did have some good ideas.

    • @Ilove3SGTE
      @Ilove3SGTE 2 года назад +1

      Just a tip, foil should always face an open air space. You should have at least a 1/2 inch air gap. Other wise it won't do nearly as much. My guess is that you live in a warm climate so it won't really matter. But for anyone reading foil faces inward in cold climates and not really needed in warm climates unless you have an air gap.

    • @EricPeelMusic
      @EricPeelMusic 2 года назад

      Foil facing inward helps in hot climates too. It reflects radiant heat from warmer surfaces to cooler surfaces, helping to cool all surfaces in the living space more evenly.

    • @Ilove3SGTE
      @Ilove3SGTE 2 года назад

      @@EricPeelMusic Balancing the heat in the room will have a fairly negligible effect on efficiency. It may improve comfort but the cost of the radiant barrier might not be made back by the small increas in efficiency. In cold climates the impact is much greater. That's why I suggest only using inward facing radiant barriers in cold climates. However radiant barriers used properly on the exterior can reduce heat gain significantly in hot climates.

  • @ksoman953
    @ksoman953 3 года назад +35

    Good stuff. You can use VOC sensors to trigger the exhaust. It'll help with your efficiency goals and also trigger based on actual air quality instead of just motion and false positives of motion. Thanks for your videos as always.

    • @CPTDanified
      @CPTDanified Год назад

      Does anyone have a link to a VOC sensor that can be used to automate the exhaust fan. I can only find them for humidity.

    • @-PORK-CHOP-
      @-PORK-CHOP- 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@CPTDanified Try enecont, we use these all the time for various rooms, can't put a link on here as YT just deletes any non YT links

  • @TheHappyHaole
    @TheHappyHaole 2 года назад +49

    I remember that 70s app my dad carried on him for when we left the garage door open, but we called it a leather belt! Never forgot to close it again.

    • @moto7622
      @moto7622 2 года назад +2

      fukn funny !

    • @gkountry664
      @gkountry664 2 года назад +1

      The Special Edition APP, Cowhide Leather !!!!!!!!!!!

    • @murphy4907
      @murphy4907 2 года назад +3

      I'm sorry your father abused you.

    • @jennoaks1934
      @jennoaks1934 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, that's funny.
      You're dad an mine must be related or gone to the same school.
      Cause my dad had the same exact to the t app. Man! was it effective.
      That app, helped me an my sister memorize so many important rules to live by..
      Don't be late for class
      Be home before the street lights came on
      No boys in the house.
      With this family being self employed, ANSWER CALL WAITING (the 80's it was home phones, not cellies that were our lifeline to the outside world. lol)
      That app sure did keep us in line,
      amazing how cellies weren't that well known back then. LMAO!

    • @jennoaks1934
      @jennoaks1934 2 года назад +2

      @Who Cares? either one hurts like hell!
      And basically has the same lasting effect.😳
      Humiliation. Fear. Pain. And the will to follow the laws of his house.
      This is the class you want to master!
      More kids these days are missing out on the true meaning of respect, discipline, manners...
      Due to THE APP not being installed in more households.
      An I say discipline, not abuse. There's a difference.

  • @tambarlas5248
    @tambarlas5248 3 года назад +6

    I loved the "real time" updates at the end.

  • @jeffirick9034
    @jeffirick9034 8 месяцев назад +2

    When I was stationed in Germany a couple years ago, our garage had a really nice door made by Hörmann. It was quiet (my wife's favorite characteristic), sealed well, looked good, and had good functionality. They're available here (manufactured in Illinois) and worth considering if you haven't already decided on a door.

  • @realrayra
    @realrayra 3 года назад +42

    'figure out how to get the garage door down'... you grab the handle for the manual disconnect and lower the door. Then re-engage it and fix it later at a more convenient time.

    • @adisharr
      @adisharr 3 года назад +3

      I know, it literally take 5 seconds to pull the handle especially on small doors.

    • @petersack5074
      @petersack5074 3 года назад +2

      ....been doin that for years. PLASTIC GEARS in the electric door opener.....???/ who woulda thunk......more modern junk......goto hell, you manufacturers...plastic.......our planet is drowning in that shit...

    • @Tinyteacher1111
      @Tinyteacher1111 3 года назад +1

      That’s what I was thinking! I’m 66, single and female, and I would never have called anyone because of that!

    • @96SupraTT
      @96SupraTT 3 года назад +1

      No need to disconnect the door. Just hold the button down to override the puppy saver sensor. It's a standard feature.

    • @adisharr
      @adisharr 3 года назад +1

      @@tomvanalst8533 Good point

  • @scorpio6587
    @scorpio6587 3 года назад +12

    I can confirm that an insulated door does make a significant and noticeable difference to the comfort and quiet of a garage, even in a temperate climate.

  • @tomwaller2953
    @tomwaller2953 3 года назад +4

    Last 3 homes I built for myself had insulated garage doors. Much quieter. Also specified extended life spring which is guaranteed for three times the up/down cycles.

  • @ricardoortiz9630
    @ricardoortiz9630 3 года назад

    I have been brainstorming how to fix this on my current house. So happy I saw this video.

  • @jezza6575
    @jezza6575 3 года назад +28

    I stuff foam pipe insulation inside the bottom seal on my garage door. Makes a better seal from the added rigidity and compression.

  • @johnduenwald6098
    @johnduenwald6098 2 года назад +3

    Matt, when you install the horizontal track, on the new house, try using follow the roofline incline track. Combined with the 8500 Chamberlain side mount operator, this will completely open up the ceiling space .

  • @emo65170.
    @emo65170. 3 года назад +2

    I had my original uninsulated 2 car wide garage door replaced with an Amarr brand insulated door and the difference was noticeable. What made even more difference was to apply dark window tint to the small windows in the garage door. The difference was pretty amazing. My garage door faces south east and that morning and noon sun would bake the inside of the garage. The dark tint easily lowered temps by 20 degrees.

  • @paulstaf
    @paulstaf 3 года назад +2

    I am in Dallas and installed an insulated garage door years ago. I have a window unit that cools my garage during the worst of the Summer and the insulated door makes a BIG difference.

  • @The_R_Vid
    @The_R_Vid 3 года назад +21

    I have been looking for a good way to seal my garage door for some time now, but didn't really know where to begin. This is brilliant.

    • @AidanSkoyles
      @AidanSkoyles 3 года назад +1

      Lol. Did you watch till the end? This ain’t it

    • @The_R_Vid
      @The_R_Vid 3 года назад +1

      @@AidanSkoyles I wrote that in the middle, when I realized what the bent tracks could do to clamp the seals. No doubt the bottom seal attachment leaves much to be desired.

    • @greatdoorsandgates4991
      @greatdoorsandgates4991 3 года назад +3

      DONT waste your money on those tracks/“green hinges”..... cut the RUBBER FLANGE off your existing weather seal (top/sides) install new 2” VINYL WEATHERSEAL STOP MOULDING! Adjust your track to be FUNCTIONAL 1st and as TIGHT OF A SEAL against the outside weatherseal as possible while the door still rolls smoothly (check by hand, 2fingers pressure should open/close the door) if it’s smooth and tight then run with your electric opener (reprofile the opener system if modern 2015+)

    • @davebrock6618
      @davebrock6618 2 года назад

      @Martin Boothe how do you add the chinking when putting on the bottom seal?

  • @warrennoll6730
    @warrennoll6730 3 года назад

    Green hinge garage door system works great as well. Has a spring on the hinge that pushes door against the weather stripping. Installed on our door in Missouri. Great product

  • @JacobAFarmer
    @JacobAFarmer 3 года назад

    Again, very timely. I have a similar garage under a kid's room. I was just pondering how I would air seal it. Thanks!!!

  • @robg7896
    @robg7896 3 года назад +4

    If I didn't have to spend so much to match your upgrades, I would really love this video.
    Good job and good ideas.

  • @dmilleraviation
    @dmilleraviation 3 года назад +3

    Highly recommend the side Mount garage door opener! Clean install and frees up a ton of space overhead. I used the Liftmaster 8500 but I’m sure there are others that might be better.

  • @smezzadesign4903
    @smezzadesign4903 3 года назад +2

    When I replaced our garage doors (insulated) I had the track radius increased. It not only made the garage door quieter as the curve was increased for a smoother ride but it raised the mounting height of the opener and upper tracks significantly! Wow does the garage feel much larger!!!

  • @papr4upapr4u68
    @papr4upapr4u68 3 года назад

    The lift master with the camera and the my IQ app is awesome for a garage door opener and thank you for showing the upgrades on the weatherstripping for the garage you couldn’t of made this video any sooner because I was just working that issue today thank you again Matt

  • @WilliamPozo
    @WilliamPozo 3 года назад +4

    The clopay insulated doors are excellent. I like them. In Miami they also carry the hurricane wind rating, which is crucial since they can get very heavy with both the insulation and wind ratings. Cheers!

    • @allent555
      @allent555 3 года назад

      These are the ones we have. They are great!!!

  • @mw1932
    @mw1932 3 года назад +6

    I installed the thermotrak system last year in my front and rear garage doors. Living in Minnesota we get all of the crazy temperatures and wind.. these tracks and new seal have helped immensely with keeping the space heated in the winter and cool in the summer.. highly recommend them

    • @cabby0120
      @cabby0120 Год назад

      Just ordered a set for my 9 ft. garage door. Hoping this is a solution for keeping garage cool in Florida summer.

  • @cyberoptic5757
    @cyberoptic5757 3 года назад

    Insulated door? YES. Worth it. I'm in Maine. It gets really cold here for four months and I chose the insulated door for the garage because it's heated by in-floor radiant. I like the extra weather stripping ideas in this video!

  • @ericthomas1825
    @ericthomas1825 3 года назад +1

    We live in Southern Az. My garage is 26x22 with 9ft ceiling fully insulated. It stays nice and comfortable. We have a Wayne Dalton 8300 door. It was 23° this morning and it was 69° in the garage. No heating or cool installed. I like the threma track and might have to look into getting them. Thanks for your show.

  • @michiganengineer8621
    @michiganengineer8621 3 года назад +5

    Here's a thought if you're concerned about garage air into the house. For the _CEILING_ of the garage (on your remodel there's no storage space) use some of the ZIP sheathing+drywall. That should prevent any air-leaks between the garage and the boys bedroom(s).
    .
    .
    I don't know what that "smart" exhaust fan system costs, but I installed an exhaust fan (16" designed for a barn) in _MY_ garage for undr $100.00 (discounting labor since I did it myself). Adding a motion sensing controller to the circuit powering that fan shouldn't cost more than another $50.00.

    • @donabele1243
      @donabele1243 3 года назад +1

      Makes no difference how many layers you add - carbon monoxide can diffuse through most materials if given the right concentration and time. Garage requirements under living spaces is for fire protection. If Dad decides to smoke a tailpipe in the garage, then son may be taking a dirt nap as well, regardless of 'tight' precautions!

  • @5150Lane
    @5150Lane 3 года назад +4

    The scheduled garage door close at night is great! Its saved me from leaving my garage door open over night several times. Also really like the quietness of the belt driven door openers versus the chain drive openers.

    • @tedmoss
      @tedmoss 2 года назад +1

      My neighbor tells me if I leave my garage door open.

  • @davidm.8309
    @davidm.8309 3 года назад +1

    Thank you. I have a CHI insulated door and its been great, seals very tight and well insulated. Mine were around an R-14 and I think they go to an R-17 or higher. It was a big upgrade from a wooden garage door.

  • @steveharris1695
    @steveharris1695 3 года назад

    I live in the PNW, switched to an insulated door about 10 years ago. It made what I consider a significant savings in my winter heating bill. For your existing door go to the home center and get foam board and use that to insulate your door.

  • @RandallWMillerJR
    @RandallWMillerJR 3 года назад +6

    Go direct drive on the new garage with a high lift track for the sloped ceiling. You will love it!

    • @Eaglefreek300
      @Eaglefreek300 3 года назад

      I was also going to recommend follow the slope as long as that beam is far enough back.

    • @horscategorie
      @horscategorie 3 года назад +1

      Yep - I have this and it is awesome.

  • @trevor61396
    @trevor61396 3 года назад +15

    Would love a vid on the updates you made to your current house and how they’re holding up 15 years later.

    • @robg7896
      @robg7896 3 года назад +1

      I believe that has already been done.

    • @eh_bailey
      @eh_bailey 3 года назад

      Yeah, he did a video a few months back reviewing the remodel and things he would and wouldn't do again.

  • @chrisE815
    @chrisE815 3 года назад

    Central NY here. Insulated door made a huge difference in temperature and comfort verses old wooden garage door with glass windows. Still not sealed perfectly, but that's why I'm watching this video!

  • @cliftontorrence839
    @cliftontorrence839 3 года назад

    Back in 1987/88 my custom built over sized heated garage became my home cabinet/fabrication shop. To reduce noise transmission, and for thermal stability I installed Double Metal garage door sections with 11/2"foam cores inside. Outside you could hear a bit of the router noise, but none of the compressor, table saw, duct collection, chop saw etc. sounds. I called it my shop. My peers all called it the operating room. Yes, the doors and seals are very important. cheers.

  • @DT-kr1km
    @DT-kr1km 3 года назад +4

    I love my insulated door. Much quieter and warmer in the winter.

    • @LouieXI0I
      @LouieXI0I 3 года назад

      ABSOLUTELY ! I PURCHASED A CMI DOOR WITH 18 R VALUE.

  • @raywilliams8050
    @raywilliams8050 3 года назад +3

    As soon as I watched this video, I ordered the Genie battery backup for my garage door. No more worrying about the power going out. Looking at the ThermoTraks now ...

  • @boydbuck377
    @boydbuck377 3 года назад +1

    Hey Matt thanks for the info on S Tracks. I am a big Garage guy. I have epoxied the floor, installed base molding and the best thing is the Liftmaster 8500 jack shaft opener with the MyQ interface. You should consider the 8500 for your house especially for applications where there is living space above the garage. This is a much quieter install.
    Keep up the good work.

  • @lohoch5506
    @lohoch5506 2 года назад

    I live in South Florida and a insulated garage door was a must. A side benefit, it added a whole level of quiet both from the out side but the sound of the door closing is much more quiet

  • @RayNLA
    @RayNLA 3 года назад +18

    I just came for the comment roast session 😂

  • @bruinflight1
    @bruinflight1 3 года назад +7

    I cut a 2-3" deep channel along the threshold for my door to sit down into. No more wind, no more leaves, no more bugs!

    • @oknave327
      @oknave327 3 года назад +1

      I need to do the same. How did the concrete look after you finished it? I have to figure out a way to make it not look like a hack job.

    • @greatdoorsandgates4991
      @greatdoorsandgates4991 3 года назад +4

      What about rain/water buildup? Also as your springs relax over time the door will sit lower and lower and likely to have the top of the door slip under the header and create a huge problem. There’s a product called “STORMSHIELD” you could use one on the outside and another on the inside of the door creating a damn but not interesting with the doors functioning.

    • @bruinflight1
      @bruinflight1 3 года назад +3

      @@oknave327 I eventually rented a gas powered cutter for about $150 for 4 hours; the cut looks fine but I will finish it on both sides with 2" aluminum angle along the edges and it looks bitchin gotta say.

    • @bruinflight1
      @bruinflight1 3 года назад +4

      @@greatdoorsandgates4991 good question about the water and something that was on my mind; the slab is divided right down the middle all the way to the street so I just widened it a little where it intersects with my channel. Water won't get into the garage even if the 'drain' gets clogged because the garage floor was poured about an inch above the threshold and the driveway slopes down enough too.
      As for the springs those are adjustable but I replaced the whole door with a coil-up.

    • @oknave327
      @oknave327 3 года назад +1

      Thanks for the follow up

  • @mrsmrich1
    @mrsmrich1 3 года назад

    I enjoy all the new products you show on your videos. Nice to know what’s out there.

  • @nunyabiznez1025
    @nunyabiznez1025 2 года назад

    Yes, I've installed insulation to each panels on my entire garage door and it keeps it cool in the summer and warm in the winter! I also did half insulated every windows throughout my house with the same 2" styrofoam with the silver on the other side and it saves us a lot during winter and summer months. Living in Vegas it only make sense to do it! We rarely turn on the heat or air conditioning except when it gets way too hot like 100 and up! Makes a huge difference in our bills.

  • @christophergruenwald5054
    @christophergruenwald5054 3 года назад +186

    I’m not affiliated with any of these companies and they aren’t paying. They just sent me a bunch of free stuff.

    • @acommentator69
      @acommentator69 3 года назад +2

      Lol

    • @LimitOfN
      @LimitOfN 3 года назад +11

      @@acommentator69 Exactly my thought. Just sending me free stuff for which I provide over the top endorsement for. "What a genius idea." After that ridiculous real home remodel (cant believe its still under construction), I stopped watching his videos for a while. I tried again with this, and I realized why I had stopped in the first place. He just doesn't get it...

    • @thanatos454
      @thanatos454 3 года назад +4

      @@LimitOfN He benefits from not getting it. Motivated reasoning.

    • @desertrider325
      @desertrider325 3 года назад +1

      Exactly lol.

    • @Slowhand871
      @Slowhand871 3 года назад +6

      He’s just doing product review. Pretty basic in the RUclips world. It’s great we get to see it.

  • @QuietTom
    @QuietTom 3 года назад +12

    Just about any of the major door manufacturers make a 2: insulated "sandwich" door which is a 2" polystyrene (base models) or olyurethane (high end) sandwiched between a steel outside and a steel inside, Higher end have thermal breaks between front and back.
    I have 25 years in the industry and have installed many brands, Clopay is my personal favorite.

    • @jessiehawes5062
      @jessiehawes5062 3 года назад +6

      I work at Clopay, appreciate the positive feedback.

  • @jonhansen4745
    @jonhansen4745 Год назад +1

    I love the concept of the adhesive weatherstrips on the sides of the doors. I will have to look into installing them on my own garage doors. The tracks are a cool concept also, but if you have quality HD adjustable tracks and hardware like the ones which came with our doors you don't need anything better. Heavy gauge tracks & hardware are a must in order to have tight fitting weatherproof doors.
    In 2011 we added a 28'X48' 2 car garage-shop to our home. Like you I wanted an area I can work in comfortably. The walls are 2X6 with blown in cellulose insulation & 16" of cellulose blown in the attic, so it is very well insulated & vented with ridge vent. We have a 36" Therma-Tru Fibergass walk door at both ends of the garage & went with (2) 8'X10' Ideal garage doors with windows at the top of them. They have full 2 inch "Intellicore" polyurethane insulation with an 18.4 R value & heavy gauge steel construction with lifetime paint warranty. Something I did to ensure a better seal at the bottom of the doors was to shove a 10' length of Styrofoam tubing (used to insulate copper water lines) inside the bottom weatherstrip. Both doors are extremely weather tight, water, & bug proof. Ideal is a division of Clopay & are made in America.
    Another weather stripping system you may want to check out is call Snirt Stopper. Their system looks amazing. www.stopthesnirt.com/

  • @wil8115
    @wil8115 3 года назад +1

    absolutely love my Chamberlin opener. so quiet.

  • @Tigglebitties
    @Tigglebitties 3 года назад +146

    You can't say you're not affiliated, then immediately say you're given the stuff for free. Goods have value. You're being paid

    • @mjt1517
      @mjt1517 3 года назад +4

      Who gives a shit? Do you feel cheated or mistreated? Grow up.

    • @guyh.4121
      @guyh.4121 3 года назад +1

      @@mjt1517 ...some do I guess. Advert Police.

    • @ToddCopeland
      @ToddCopeland 3 года назад +1

      @@mjt1517 I think he was up front about it (as required by law) but yes... if you receive the product for free, the law requires that to be known as it certainly influences the "honest" review. Those sensor metal tubes... $50!... for $2 worth of product that is basically some bent metal and a piece of foam. Doubt Matt would have paid $50 for the product.

    • @prolinebuilds7360
      @prolinebuilds7360 3 года назад +1

      Paid or not, I own a garage door company and was excited to see the dual weather stripping. I have already contacted the company that donated the material. I will pay for it and test it on my house before selling it with every door.

    • @dzerres
      @dzerres 3 года назад +1

      @@mjt1517 It's called "ethics". You obviously are not familiar with that term.

  • @DrivingWithJake
    @DrivingWithJake 3 года назад +62

    A big thing that I hate with most garages is not having a lot of extra space on either sides. I know you had limits with your new one keeping the slab, but I know if I build anything new it will have 4-5ft at least on both sides for storage shelves.

    • @darienredsox1878
      @darienredsox1878 3 года назад +3

      This is nice if you have the land, but in a lot of suburban areas houses are built with a footprint that takes up the maximum allowed amount of the lot. So, in some cases you would need to take away from the living area to do this.

    • @danielbuckner2167
      @danielbuckner2167 3 года назад +5

      Yup. I designed mine to have a workbenches down both sides and still pull in and open doors without hitting.

    • @Matt-mq1ep
      @Matt-mq1ep 3 года назад +1

      For sure. I have pallet racking down both sides of my garage for storage and can still open doors.

    • @JohnVanderbeck
      @JohnVanderbeck 2 года назад +1

      Just only put 1 car in the so called 2 car garages and you have plenty of room. They really aren't' big enough for 2 cars anyway tbh.

    • @gpzjeffrey7974
      @gpzjeffrey7974 2 года назад

      @@darienredsox1878 So be it!

  • @samuelletkeman
    @samuelletkeman 3 года назад +1

    I’m a garage door tech in the west texas area and our company uses CHI Doors with Liftmaster operators and I would highly recommend the CHI insulated doors. They’re great!

  • @watchluver
    @watchluver 2 года назад

    I'm just going to put some shims im my door track! thanks for the idea! 👍👍

  • @allent555
    @allent555 3 года назад +17

    We have insulated garage doors from the mfr, there is a huge difference in thermal control. They are like R11. We live in Florida.

    • @mv80401
      @mv80401 3 года назад +1

      R11?? I find that hard to believe. The best insulators like polyiso are R5 per inch so that door would need to be 2 inches thick AND have a solution for the seams and joints.

    • @skidmoro9642
      @skidmoro9642 3 года назад +1

      @@mv80401 standard sandwich doors are rated 10+ and if you have big bucks ..Haus doors go 18+

    • @mv80401
      @mv80401 3 года назад

      @@skidmoro9642 -- thanks, I checked it out and the good stuff exists indeed (just rarely comes standard)

    • @allent555
      @allent555 3 года назад +2

      @@mv80401 Correction it’s R20. It’s Coplay’s intelicore www.clopaydoor.com/residential/buyingguide/intellicore.

    • @benwhittle7204
      @benwhittle7204 3 года назад +1

      @@allent555 Wow they look like really nice doors for sure and would love one that's insulated as that. I'm having trouble believing their claims though, R10/inch is WAY higher than other known foam core insulations. R10/inch is up there with aerogel so unless they're doing something else that's getting those R-values, I'm somewhat dubious of those claims and if they're true, then they need to get into whole home insulation with whatever they're using as you could potentially get R60 insulation on a 6" stud or R80 on an 8" stud!

  • @TSPhotoAtlanta
    @TSPhotoAtlanta 3 года назад +3

    On an HVAC podcast I listen to they just did the whole episode on CO. They specifically talked about extra, especially garage type, intake or exhaust fans. In short, the tighter the house, the more you should be concerned with changing the, esp. negative, pressure balance. They wound up their story by saying your equipment and locations should be actually-tested in-use with a CO tester and monitoring installed. He said a lot of the assumptions, even many that are taught, may or may not stand up to testing in specific applications. CO is odorless, colorless, tasteless, and must be tested tomdetect. You may, MAY, smell and notice aldehydes as byproducts of combustion, but that's a maybe and you cannot depend on it!

  • @brianpalmer6423
    @brianpalmer6423 3 года назад

    Another very informative video. Thank you. When our house was built in 2008 I had them put Clopay insulated doors that are an R-15. Nice part about them is having metal on both sides so the insulation doesn't get damaged over time. They help keep out the cold on those 0 degree days. It is rare the temperature in my garage gets below freezing. During the summer I had someone ask me if my garage was air conditioned and I said no, just insulated. Thanks for showing products to better air seal around the garage door, which is the only thing I wish was done better. I will check them out. I would be interested to hear how the seal on the top is holding up a few weeks after you stapled it.

  • @brendan19841111
    @brendan19841111 3 года назад +2

    I ran a 3/8" rubber weather strip on the door to sandwich the exterior trim weather strip that has worked really for the past few years . I also self leveled the concrete apron that doors sit on to give the gasket a smooth level surface to seal against . At high noon I have no light shining through anywhere with the doors shut.

  • @philipallen8648
    @philipallen8648 3 года назад +13

    The last thing any car needs is a warm humid environment. No issue with any of your proposals but keep the humidity under control as low corrosion levels are one big advantage of a drafty garage.

  • @RobGraham048
    @RobGraham048 3 года назад +11

    I have had success with adding foam insulation into the frame of the door itself. making the uninsulated... insulated.

  • @mackfisher4487
    @mackfisher4487 3 года назад +1

    Garage door sensor install:
    I like how your installer coiled the low voltage cable into a springlike configuration, it keeps it neat and allows the slack one need for service. This is an old technique used by the phone company in the early days. (6:05)

  • @jamiecroom4483
    @jamiecroom4483 3 года назад

    Great video on options for our garages. Thanks Matt.

  • @steveeb00
    @steveeb00 3 года назад +12

    "You can hit this with anything: your bike, your car door, *your shin, your ankle*, and it isn't going anywhere"

  • @jwcates3
    @jwcates3 3 года назад +9

    One of do overs on our house, Matt, would be to have extra wide 9’ garage doors. The 8’ wide doors are just too narrow for most cars these days. You have to be really careful pulling in or out and the proximity alarms go crazy.

  • @wjthehomebuilder
    @wjthehomebuilder 3 года назад +1

    I've used the Wayne Dalton insulated doors before. One thing I notice with more air tight homes, is when you open the house to garage door, the garage door will move. So that upgraded garage door track looks like it would come in handy.

  • @marcemarc6516
    @marcemarc6516 3 года назад

    So worth it. Trying to seal up garage doors with large door stripping for commercial usage is a fight and never as good as it should be. I’m I. The northeast and this video just got saved

  • @neutrodyne
    @neutrodyne 2 года назад +8

    My garage door was not insulated so I added 1.5" Styrofoam sheets cut to fit inside the garage pannels. It helped a lot and made about a 10 degree difference in the garage temperature.

    • @Roxtarring
      @Roxtarring 2 года назад

      Which glue did you use?

    • @neutrodyne
      @neutrodyne 2 года назад

      @@Roxtarring Loctite
      PL 300 10 fl. oz. Foamboard Adhesive, but there are plenty of other ones out there that are made for Foamboard.

  • @snowpaw360
    @snowpaw360 3 года назад +3

    Well we just put foam boards in the door and we have an ac split, easily gets colder than inside the house now down here in Florida. (we set it to about 72 F when we are working hard in there)

  • @ronnie-being-ronnie
    @ronnie-being-ronnie 3 года назад

    My parents fiberglass garage door faced due east and the garage would be like an oven by 10:00 am. They replaced the standard door with an insulated door offered by a garage door company...nothing upgraded to the insulation, but they did get the model with windows. What a difference! It was really nice because their laundry was in the garage and it made it much more comfortable than baking hot, although the garage would still always be at the temperature and humidity of the outside air once the door was opened for a car. The natural light was nice, too.

  • @tinkermouse-scottrussell3738
    @tinkermouse-scottrussell3738 2 года назад

    I found the same problem with the upper seal I took some of the plastic bandings from my box store that wraps their lumber from their garbage and used it as a backer worked a treat.
    Play safe from Elliot Lake, Ontario, Canada.

  • @Bedevere
    @Bedevere 3 года назад +73

    What I learned today: make RUclips videos and companies will send you free stuff...

    • @MyDIYAdventures
      @MyDIYAdventures 3 года назад +3

      I’ve been waiting 2 years for the freebies to roll in!😂

    • @dennispope8160
      @dennispope8160 3 года назад +6

      Only if you have enough subscribers and view count!

    • @MyDIYAdventures
      @MyDIYAdventures 3 года назад

      @@dennispope8160 Which Matt definitely has!

    • @donabele1243
      @donabele1243 3 года назад +2

      @@MyDIYAdventures Not really - if you listen, he often says HE reaches out them (and I'm sure brags about his channel). IF he was a top channel THEY would be reaching out to him.

    • @Matlock69
      @Matlock69 3 года назад

      @@donabele1243 name me one better "Building Science" channel...I'll wait.

  • @GrahamKnights
    @GrahamKnights 3 года назад +4

    I always install exhaust fans in garages in our new builds. Removing fumes is one benefit, but here in the PNW especially, pulling into the garage with a rain-soaked car with a warm engine is a recipe for disaster (mold) since all new builds are drywall finish inside. If you want a climate controlled garage, get a make up air intake with powered damper to open when the exhaust fan runs.

  • @oldkayakdude
    @oldkayakdude 3 года назад

    I put in insulated doors when I replaced, made a noticeable difference in keeping the space cooler in the summer through the day.

  • @eh_bailey
    @eh_bailey 3 года назад +2

    Haha! "A couple staples later..." I really like the Chamberlin MyQ with the belt drive. Same comment as IG (LumberJohn), I used the R-6.5 Clopay garage door a few years ago. It has been great, and it was the best mix between cost and insulation, and it kills a lot of road noise.

  • @michaelespinoza2046
    @michaelespinoza2046 3 года назад +9

    I just installed the side mount Chamberlain. You'll love how quiet it is, and how much space overhead it saves.

    • @Chris_at_Home
      @Chris_at_Home 3 года назад +1

      I have a liftmaster that mounts on the shaft also. A much cleaner install without that crap over the door.

    • @D2O2
      @D2O2 3 года назад +3

      @@Chris_at_Home Plus the install is incredibly simple. I am on 1 year with mine with battery backup and wifi...love it and the app for remote control and monitoring. Worth the extra cost. Upgraded from a Wayne Dalton I-drive.

    • @MichaelM-to4sg
      @MichaelM-to4sg 3 года назад

      I too have the Liftmaster branded version w/battery backup. Smooth & quiet operation. No matter the label, they’re both owned by CGI( Chamerlain Group INC).

    • @jimhudson260
      @jimhudson260 3 года назад

      I just installed the same, replacing 25 year old opener. So much nicer and super quiet.

    • @greatdoorsandgates4991
      @greatdoorsandgates4991 3 года назад

      GO BUY THE GENIE for the TOP TIER JACKSHAFT sure to outlast the chamberlain 12v junk! Genies motor doesn’t have that POS cable tension monitor and is SAFER! Way more power and their transmission WONT WEAR OUT like the Liftmaster. Genie 24VDC NO CABLE TENSION, Liftmaster/Chamberlain 12vdc junk

  • @lordgarth1
    @lordgarth1 3 года назад +4

    I went with the green hinge system that pretty much does what those tracks do but by using springs on the hinges that push them tight.

    • @chappiedatass1361
      @chappiedatass1361 3 года назад +1

      Sounds like an extra point of failure compared to these tracks. The tracks won't wear over time but the springs will. Either way I'm sure they're both great products

    • @EXEON727
      @EXEON727 3 года назад +2

      I have the green hinge system as well, no issues for past 2 years and seals well.

  • @dhservers
    @dhservers 3 года назад +1

    Matt, Thanks always for your generous advice. I live in Michigan and purchased an insulated 16' x 8' x 2" garage door from Lowes and later I took photos of it during the winter with a Flir camera. The Flir showed wide areas where there was spotty insulation. I'm sure you have seen much better examples at the building shows you attend. GL on your new house.

  • @lightbillable
    @lightbillable 3 года назад +2

    You will love the side mount Liftmasters with automatic dead bolt locks. very quiet and totally secure with the dead bolt locking

    • @leetaylor3895
      @leetaylor3895 2 года назад

      After installing one on a new garage addition door for clearance, I removed a perfectly functional overhead drive system on the other overhead door, junked it, and replaced with another Liftmaster opener. Yes, they're that much better than the outdate gear/chain overhead openers.

  • @ThisTall
    @ThisTall 3 года назад +13

    I like the idea of a camera automatically filming the delivery guy instead of letting them into your house for delivery. But it would be much safer to build or buy a separate storage box on the side of the house they can access instead. Because you’re still giving a stranger a good look inside your home.

    • @jimkirby9959
      @jimkirby9959 3 года назад +2

      Right. That's like the problem we had when I was growing up on the South Side of Chicago. The garbage men passed through the alleys, "casing the joint" and their "associates" showed up later to relieve us of our stuff or, worse, report zoning violations to the authorities.

  • @gluuuuue
    @gluuuuue 3 года назад +16

    My family's homes have had problems with rats and other pest creatures coming in for a long time. (During my college years, there was some kinda animal(s) living in our attic, and I'd wake up, sometimes in the morning, sometimes late at night to sounds that sounded like something the size of a cat scrambling around up there or in the walls. And this went on for years until I started having nightmares about such animals coming through our walls. We also had pigeons that roosted outside the master bathroom window.)
    Now that I'm in charge of remodeling my family's homes, animal exclusion is something I'm paranoid about and have done more than a reasonable amount of research on. Screens, hardware cloth mesh, steel/copper wools impregnated with foams or elastomeric stretch fillers, bird spikes, you name it.
    Current product I'm interested in are Xcluder's fill fabrics and door bottoms. They have heavy-duty steel wool, more abrasive than a brillo scouring pad, made of stainless steel, stuffed into equally heavy-duty rubber, in door bottoms (regular and garage). They also have those automatic door bottoms, and they make commercial products as well. Most of their product line is focused on sealing rodentproof gaps that usually are targets for weatherproofing. Looking at these for closing and sealing all the various door gaps, particularly on our garage and side doors.
    Check out their stuff:
    buyxcluder.com/solutions/residential.html

  • @chriscahill1005
    @chriscahill1005 3 года назад +2

    Live just south of Chicago and installed an insulated door. Mine came from Sears they had the highest Rvalue door at 19.5 that was 7 years ago. with new insulation in the walls and ceiling the garage rarely dips below 35 during our deep freeze -40F it got to 26F

  • @williampresley5727
    @williampresley5727 3 года назад +1

    We added a commercial exhaust fan in our 3 car garage. When you pull 2 or 3 vehicles into the garage in the summer time the temp rises well over 100 degrees. Even though the ceiling is insulated, it still raise the temp in the bonus room above the garage. The exhaust fan solved all these issues. We run the exhaust fan 24 hours a day all summer long and it works great. All garages should have exhaust fans.

  • @bchmrk
    @bchmrk 3 года назад +3

    With all the smart solutions I would opt for a sidewinder garage opener versus an overhead one. Especially with bedrooms over the garage you want a silent opener.

    • @darienredsox1878
      @darienredsox1878 3 года назад

      Matt talked about using one in his new house. It looks like his old house has side mounted springs so one of these would not work.

    • @jimhudson260
      @jimhudson260 3 года назад

      @@darienredsox1878 Clopay has a conversion kit avail. Through Home Depot. Easy installation to remove old side springs and mount torsion bar.

  • @zephyrold2478
    @zephyrold2478 3 года назад +35

    You forgot to mention that with an "airtight" garage you got to have a supply of fresh air, othervise the exhaust fan will not exhaust anything.

    • @jonathanzappala
      @jonathanzappala 3 года назад +2

      He showed the intake on the exhaust fan

    • @zephyrold2478
      @zephyrold2478 3 года назад

      @@jonathanzappala Yes your right.

    • @BlackHorseRanchIdaho
      @BlackHorseRanchIdaho 3 года назад +8

      That is an outlet, not an intake as Matt says. I too am curious how you could handle makeup air.

    • @kadmow
      @kadmow 3 года назад +2

      Don't you too, have makeup air to your garage? - for my door we have a "controlled gap" at the edges. It helps to mitigate CO toxicity in a "sensorless system". (jk)

    • @BlackHorseRanchIdaho
      @BlackHorseRanchIdaho 3 года назад +4

      kadmow We have that same exact system, only our make up air is filtered by arachnid silk before it enters the garage. But I don’t think Matt has that system, so he may need a separate source for make up air. 🤔

  • @lilflexlewis5802
    @lilflexlewis5802 5 месяцев назад

    Just found your channel since i want to make my garage more better. Respect from NYC

  • @26-CJ
    @26-CJ 5 месяцев назад

    @Matt Risinger Hello. Thanks for the video. Looks like I am a few years late to reply. Just saw this video. Anyway I just moved into my Newley built home back in September 2023. We since had the brand new basic metal single panel 2 car garage door removed and replaced with the same looking door but it’s insulated. It’s metal on both sides. The nice thing it did was provided better sound proofing. We also removed our ceiling mounted garage door motor and went with a side mount jack opener. Also very nice. The bedroom above the garage area no longer has to has to hear the loud chain and loud door noises. The heavier door does not rattle all over inside the tracks.
    What we did see that was a negative. Within a couple days after the install. When we went into the garage and opened the door. We saw water dripping from the inside of the door. When we went to close the door water was squirting from all around the window panels. Yes we have windows across the top of the door all the way across. Anyway we were shocked about this. When we looked at our humidity and temp gauge in the garage. The humidity was around 80%. Since we have a more sealed in garage door. The moisture was building up significantly in the garage. This went away with the use of a dehumidifier. We do not have a MiniSplit in our garage. This water and humidity build up went away. We are now down around 40. Of course the days it rains is when the dehumidifier runs. Since it’s winter the cold air sucks moisture out or dries things out. So the dehumidifier barely runs. The reason this all happened is because the air gets trapped more inside the garage. What will really be hard is come summer. When the humidity will always be high. We live in South Carolina where it’s humid.
    We do have some small openings around the bottom of the door where the outside brick and the door trim meet. So that lets air or humidity into the garage. We do have a large ceiling fan on the ceiling in the garage. We have no idea what we will experience come summer. Hopefully we don’t find that the heat will also get trapped inside the garage now that we have an insulated door. We totally didn’t think this part out or expect this. We for sure will need to run a dehumidifier to control the humidity. We just hope that we can also somehow keep the heat from building up or being worse than it would have been with a basic metal non insulated door. I know that many of you would say install a MiniSplit. But we just do not want to have to do that.

  • @mjboy8790
    @mjboy8790 3 года назад +31

    WAIT..... you have a non insulated garage door? I surely would have never guessed that

    • @Mrcaffinebean
      @Mrcaffinebean 3 года назад +8

      Haha you know the old saying, “the cobbler's children have no shoes”

    • @tcoradeschi
      @tcoradeschi 3 года назад

      In the house when he bought it...

    • @bmbullman
      @bmbullman 3 года назад

      He lives in TX, no? It doesn't get cold there..

  • @brianmcnamara1431
    @brianmcnamara1431 3 года назад +157

    If the manufacturers are giving you product and you’re installing and talking about the product on your show, it is most definitely a paid advertisement 🙄🤣

    • @mjt1517
      @mjt1517 3 года назад +1

      It's not paid unless they sent him a check. Free goods, while they do have value, isn't money.
      Who cares anyway?

    • @robertwymer4952
      @robertwymer4952 3 года назад

      The products given to Matt are mostly samples (sometimes given to any who ask), likely incomplete, in that samples are not the complete kit adequate for instillation. Who profits here are the suppliers of these products and Matt's viewers. But you are ok -- being rational and fair is something we all struggle with.

    • @CaptainCrunch823
      @CaptainCrunch823 3 года назад

      I appreciate the disclosure and don’t believe that Matt would risk his reputation by recommending a crappy product just because he received a free sample worth a couple hundred bucks😊

    • @robertt8874
      @robertt8874 3 года назад +1

      You are completely right, I'm 100% sure this video is in violation of FTC guidelines. Receiving anything for free in exchange for an endorsement makes it a sponsored video. The only way this video would not be sponsored is if he had NOT mentioned the name of the product or company that makes the said product

    • @robertt8874
      @robertt8874 3 года назад +2

      @@mjt1517 The Federal Trade Commission cares, that's who. All free goods received count as sponsorship, not just cash. He has actually broken the FTC's law in this video, maybe other vids too, that could get him in serious legal trouble if people took the time to report him to the FTC.

  • @rraborn
    @rraborn 3 года назад +1

    Just put in 11 ft insulated garage doors as my garage floor is heated. Great ideas!

  • @scha0786
    @scha0786 3 года назад

    For the bottom seal of garage door, put 1”caulking backer foam on the inside of seal. Also up here in the north woods, we love our 2” spray foamed filled garage doors. Finally, for your new house check out lift master direct drive openers. No over track and super super quiet.

  • @jeffnarum1373
    @jeffnarum1373 3 года назад +10

    We install a product called "Xcluder"
    It's a garage door bottom gasket that has steel wool inside it.

    • @rpavlik1
      @rpavlik1 3 года назад +1

      Omg those are so expensive... Looks smart but holy expensive Batman. $153 for a two-car width door!?

    • @jeffnarum1373
      @jeffnarum1373 3 года назад +1

      @@rpavlik1 one of our clients had a rat chew some wires in her new Jaguar. Winter, climbed in her engine while it was warm. Apparently rats are not covered under a "bumper-to-bumper."

    • @rpavlik1
      @rpavlik1 3 года назад +1

      @@jeffnarum1373 I guess "expensive" is all relative...

    • @jeffnarum1373
      @jeffnarum1373 3 года назад

      @@rpavlik1 "There is nothing more expensive than trying to save money."