Is Double Brokering OKAY?! | DEBATING Issues in Trucking
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Is Double Brokering OKAY?! | DEBATING Issues in Trucking
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Hold on…. Is double brokering OKAY!?
In this video, Ronen reacts to a recent heated phone call he received after releasing our recent video on exposing double brokers in our trucking industry. The conversation was lengthy & very passionate, but were there some valid points thrown around? What are your thoughts on double brokering? Do you agree with this caller? Or do you agree with where Ronen still stands on the issues we are facing today?
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:23 Ronen receives a call about double brokering
02:57 Caller calls out double brokering youtube video
04:39 What caller thinks double brokering is
05:01 DOUBLE BROKERING news in the trucking industry
06:54 Owner has more than 7 MC Numbers
07:39 There is no legal regulation about double brokering
10:24 Ronen explains licensing for carriers and brokerage
11:08 What you should do instead of double broker
12:59 Open to debate different opinions about double brokering
14:42 Why caller thinks double brokering is okay
18:18 Caller threatens to double broker load
21:27 WHY??
26:14 Ronen's life background
31:51 EMAIL RONEN at sponsorship@ettransport.ca
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This was quite entertaining lol. Glad you didn't just hang up on him for us to benefit. Something is obviously fishy with his company. I worked for ET for a few months. They are legit. If you drive 3k a week you will make almost 2k as a company driver. The only slightly misleading thing about about ET is their trucks mpg. They do get good mpg but that is because they don't haul 40,000lb. It's usually 20-30,000lbs. I don't know how they get good loads like that. Also the only other thing about ET is that they somehow get loads higher than the national average. So I'm not 100% sure how much of a cut they take if you're an owner operator.
Thanks for the honest review!
Wow. I'm surprised you entertained this guy. That man was extremely unprofessional. Ronin, I'm glad you take a stand on corruption. It's rampant in this business.
A lot of people think that double brokering is some form of myth. We entertained the conversation to show that this is a very real issue
I am 80 years old and have owned trucks for 60 years. English was my third language, but I was born in Texas and I get accused of having a Texas accent, But I doubt that people that merely talk to me on the phone realize that I learned English in School. First of all, when someone keeps saying "believe me", I assume the guy to be full of shit. And if someone criticizes my ancestry, they don't need to do business with me. They can go protest with the college students. I still have 3 land lines at my office that have been listed for over 50 years. The guy reminds me of the scam telemarketers that call landlines in hopes of reaching some elderly person and scamming them. I wouldn't waste my time debating with such a jerk.
I agree!
I love it how you put these guys on the spot. Keep up the great work. You great at what you do. The only way we get guys like this out of the industry is just this.
Thanks for watching!
It's good to know these types of losers are feeling the pain and people pushing them out. Keep up the good work Ronan and give them HELL. I love exposing these frauds on my channel. Listening to this guy I had to take an aspirin lol. I would love to know all the mc numbers this guy is using and put him on full blast.
@@overdp SPEAK ENGLISH THIS JIBBERISH IS UNCOMPREHENDABLE
We'll see about that call and let you know how it goes
I'm not in the industry, my wife's son is thinking about it, but I came across your channel and impressed how you do business and you being upfront and honest. If I was to get into the industry I WOULD WANT TO WORK FOR YOU!!
All my best
Thanks for the warm words!
You are right Mr. I just found myself in the middle of what double brokering looks like this week twice. One i found out to late and the other right at the beginning of booking a load. It's now gone to some serious investigations and who knows if I'll ever get paid now. I now call every shipper to find who the original brokers are now. Works every time.
Hopefully, it gets resolved soon!
The guy with 7 MC and 3 brokers companies is the problem in the trucking,and his accent too 😂
Haha!
😢😢 agreed Ronen, this dude was hurt by the truth. I have one mc,one dot, had to put in my startup time. Stayed clean and honest. The only thing I had a problem with was brokers taking 35-40%. If dispatchers who do more for the drivers are ok with 10% or less, why can brokers make so much of the load? They're not the ones responsible
Much respect to you!
If he has more than one MC he has a bad reputation if you had a good reputation he only needs one MC
No but why else would you need more than one?
Ronen , hats off to you in dealing with this clown. I would NOT have handled this call as well as you did.
Thanks for watching!
A lot of little brokers used to do that but with all the stealing going on they trying to stop it. Plus the guy has to understand that each broker has a contract and you have to honor it. If they don't want to double broker its in the contract.
Yup! A contract is a contract. If a contract states that a load should only be brokered to a specific person, and you sign it, breaking that contract is a legal dispute. So, if they sign a contract that says a load can't be double brokered, the result is the same
We need someone that fights the carrier side. Outside of not getting paid, the fact that so many people took money out of the load is a major problem. The carrier has to pay almost 45% in maintenance and fuel if not more.
Hi! Hello! That's us! We do that!
It’s not ok to double broker. But repowering ok ok
Never okay to double broker
This is a video where I need to keep my comments to myself 🤢 fun video Ronen, thanks for sharing
Haha, you don't want to leave a certain imprint on your digital footprint good fella
Awesome, Ronan! Great job!
Thanks for watching!
Your caller is right in many points. It's the nature of transportation business
Okay, many is a stretch. It's the nature but that doesn't make it legal or even ethical
@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News you right, but government won't step in an save the day
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News by the way wife and I love your videos
Very informative. Good job
Thanks for watching!
The guy does have a valid point on one thing
when you have new carrier that enter the market lot of brokers dont give them a chance to work with them , because they have ridiculous requirements .
I remember when we started in 2021 and once I was looking for load from Kelowna BC to Portland OR , Fastfrate had posted on loadlink , I contacted them, talked about the load and everything had been agreed , when they ask for the MC number it came out as 4 months old , they refused to give me the load and said their requirement was it needs to be 12 months active, I told them I have a good record I worked with other brokers and can provide you references and also will provide a tracking link once load is picked up , they did not listen and refuse to give me the load. Had to come empty back to Vancouver to pick up an different load.
What i believe one thing is to stop double brokering is to , cut out ridiculous requirements for new carriers , when you are tracking a shipment it always states the truck number and company name so you know its being picked up by the carrier that original picked up the load.
Yeah he did make some points
“5000 trucks, 7 MC numbers” probably running illegal logs too.
Oh most definitely
Hi Ronen, this is Marian Neagu, I've been working with ET last summer for about 45 days, I like your videos and ET is a decent company to work with, but you know is not perfect. I left ET because I've been pushed to do an interstate job, I've done my delivery in Atlanta, did my pick up in Gainesville, and on my way home, I've got a call from my dispatch telling me to drop my loaded trailer and pick up another mty and do another pick up. I refuzed to do that job and they let me come home with my initial load. Maybe you don't know everything in your company or you look the other way, but this is one of the reasons I letf. Some other safety reasons accumulate, but that's another story.
We're sorry to hear that! Please feel free to message us with the details so we can look into this issue where still possible
People like that give trucking industry a bad rap. He is mad because he finally got caught, frickin scammer
It's not even like we caught him either. He CALLED us. Like willingly? To tell us that he saw our video on double brokering and we're wrong? I can't fathom what gave him the confidence
Landstar is king of double brokering
No kidding....... thought they were all directly connected
I mean if he was bold enough to call us to let us know that he thinks double brokering is fine, clearly they must be
Load king transport in Woodbridge is going out of business. They have no contracts and robbing from every drivers pay cheque.
Can you send us an email with the details to sponsorship@ettransport.ca? We'd like to look into this further.
See now I'm a drive and when them brokers like to call me every 10 or 15 mins After I have downloaded their application I don't Answer The phone, And if they are relentless after that they get cussed out and blocked.
Gotta do what ya gotta do
This dude and others like him is what's wrong with our industry
Just one of the challenges we have to face unfortunately
I am sorry you have to deal with this.
Haha, we all do just some of us are less aware than others
This "billionaire" sounds like Mathew from India, and this call from IRS😂😂😂
Haha!
Seven MC#, 5k drivers that must be SUPER EGO HOLDINGS 😂😂😂
Most likely lol 😂
LOL!
What they do they charge 10 to 20 % dispatch off of whatever price they come off of their own broker company not off of broker they booked it with. A little fee here and there and they pocket 2 or 3 times more of what they should. California style dispatch service firms.
Wow
License Revocation: The FMCSA has the authority to revoke or suspend the operating authority of a broker engaged in double brokering. This means that the broker may no longer be able to legally operate as a freight broker.
YUP!
I love this, it's like trolling in a modern warfare lobbie
The MW lobby would eat him alive
12:47 One reason perhaps you might have multiple MC's Is the d o t enforcement people will give out So many little mini violations of truck standards ( like a disabled marker light) to a trucking fleet that you will not be able to move your fleet under a mc number until the violation cure it self over a 6 month period.
I think anything over like 20% violation rate makes al you shut down until you Fully correct it
If you have multiple MC's then you can continue to move freight under the different numbers as the violations cure themselves
Hmm, I still feel like it's generally not a good sign for someone to have numerous MCs
@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News If it sounds sketchy it probably is. Multiple MCs sounds sketchy.
You are right Ronen. At the end of the line the person that is actually doing the load doesn’t really get paid a good percentage. Because he only gets whatever is left behind after all the double brokering
Thank you! That's literally it!
You are the man
Thanks!
Buddy just basically told on himself
Confidently too!
He does have valid points…co brokering that includes being transparent is legal.
We don't discredit that, we just said we disagree with a lot of said points. As for the co brokering, our contract does differentiate
question maybe you can help me when i call the warehouse what dept do i ask to get on the bid list? ty
You can just inform whomever answers that that's your intention and they will either transfer you or give you the necessary information on where to go
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News ty
What about the issue of Canada not having a “broker licence” intra-Canada that is. I’m not sure about Ontario but here in western Canada I know most of these carriers brokering are not licensed.. and can’t even get a bond even if they wanted to unless you’re looking to cross border broker.
That's a severe issue but the regulation is kept to a minimum I realize
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News I agree with you and this video, its a risky game. I'm just so surprised even to this day Canada has not looked to regulate this.
States he has multiple brokerages then proceeds to list brokerages that don’t belong to him.
Haha! Clearly his definition of having multiple brokerages translates to being an employee at multiple brokerages
So, being a broker, will you also give dispatch services for the locations where you don't have your own load?
We don't offer dispatch services at all actually
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News and let's say, you offer dispatch services as well along with your brokerage license, will it be illegal? just asking.
And yes, I really learnt a lot from your videos and shorts. Keep up the good work.
It's about ethics. I trust you on a load, you do it, you don't hand it to someone else I don't know. The legal and insurance sides are secondary details.
I don't think many of them really... value ethics
Double brokering violates broker/carrier agreement and the liability falls back on original broker. If original broker does not know about the carrier selling the load to another carrier that is where the problem is
Yes!
Impacts & Legal Consequences: Double brokering can lead to a lack of transparency, potential delays, damaged goods, and payment disputes. Engaging in this practice is illegal according to MAP 21 legislation, and the penalties can include fines, license revocation, and even imprisonment
Thank you very much!
You are right ronen
Thanks for watching!
The reason why I think double brokering should be ilegal it’s because the double broker takes (10-20)% another percentage off the original broker who takes😮 (25-40%) making it even more cheap load to the carrier that decides to take the LOAD! So at the end we as carriers take 60 or even less percentage of the LOAD!😩😩
I was very entertained on watching this video🤣. Thanks for making content Ronan! By the way I saw Raj in Illinois! I think he recorded me saying a couple of words haha!!
I mean it already is
That guy was very upset about double brokering 😂😂😂😂…. I think that is what he does for a living
12 years experience!
“Buddy” instant dbl broker
Beware the buddy!
As a carrier who books my own loads anytime i hear an eastern European or indian accent I automatically hang up 😅 or if their MC is not approved by my Factoring company miss me with that Quck Pay ACH or Zelle to many scammers in the industry
That caution will save your business someday!
12 years? Dang talk about admitting to a scam.
Disgusting isn't it
At least he was committed!
I think that guy is Ukraine
I know all of companies who have a carrier MC and also have seperate brokerage MC as well
So basically what they do is book a load with carrier MC and sell that laod through their brokerage MC
What I have absorbed is that they usually do pay the carrier but it is much lower rate compare to let's say if you get it from original broker
and they make $50-100 per load.
Interesting
Expose his name and company. Bet he’s from a foreign country and from Chicago.
🐒 🙈 🙊 with a voice
Maybe we will!
Hey Ronen, a good guy on youtube who exposes double brokering is reviewing this video in a few minutes if you'd like to watch. Axel Live is his name
Send us the link to the video, we'd love to check it out!
the caller should understand the keyword: Transparency. He does not practice transparency and that is double brokering.
YES! Transparency is KEY!
There's a fine line and it's even thinner when a carrier is acting as a broker. This guy calling is like a disguised dispatch or a kind of guru with his multiple MCs and multiple brokerages. The load I'm on now is tendered by a carrier acting as freight broker. The shipper was aware of my carrier name and the BOL signed between shipper and broker was mentioning my carrier as effective hauler. This is a crystal clear situation and no way a double brokerage scenario. All three parties recognize the involvement of each. If someone in the chain not aware of one other then we are deep into multi brokerage.
That's truth!
Shouldn’t share family pictures on RUclips. Dude this is an obvious rule of the internet
I'm sure Ronen knows what he's doing
I think what this guy is referring to is the difference between double brokering and scamming, double brokers try to pay carriers on time and as stated in the RC because their brokerage companies and their carrier MC’s depend on it, an example would be (abc brokerage) they have a lot of bad comments, they don't pay on time , don't pay the full amount of the amount stated in the RC, question- would you take a load next time from their brokerage company ? No of course not , also their carrier companies try to be clean(411, highway...) to work debt.
And about the scammers I will say that they can change broker/carrier MC every day because they get reports quickly and close their brokerage.
DB - they help the industry to develop, if a broker has a problem to cover a shipment, and the carrier who could move this load set up and can work only with double broker (no way to work with load owner) and ready to pick that up - let him to pick up that load, do not tell to your customer bad words like (please take of me from shipment, I can not cover this one).
Keep your customers warm and safe they need your coverage
Thanks and Regards
Double brokering in and of itself is an illegal practice. If a carrier has an issue, don't broker the load to someone else. Return the load to the original broker, and let them inform the customer that there will be a delay.
I understand your position , but look at the situation , my customer told me that if I can not cover the load I should not take and risk our business relationship (the load is 1400 miles and must be loaded on a plane the next day to fly to another country) . So if there is a problem with the carrier, and I know a double broker or co-broker who can cover this load for me I will let him do it so as not to spoil the relationship with the client and so that this paid space on the plane does not leave empty. This carrier did not call me because my company only works with MC over 6 months old but they are great carriers and will do landstar loads before they will have 6 months authority to move my loads
In this format I agree to work with double brokers , or co brokers like landstar.
Don't be fooled, I don't hear any accent in your voice at all.. which you can't say with the dude, he sounds Russian to me. I also think it's good that you are fair and honest, I appreciate that.
Well, of course to HIM Ronen would sound like he has an accent.
I’m 67 and seem to be able to fill out brokerage setup packets online. I am slightly hard of hearing as I’ve driven old school Detroit Diesels and can relate to not doing business with foreigners. It’s not because I’m racist but if I can understand what the person on the other end of the phone is telling me. If I can’t understand the broker when asking about load details I just tell him I’m not interested and to have a good day. If his dispatcher can’t speak English I don’t do business with him again.
I am for dispatch services that speak multiple languages to assist people with heavy accents to get loads. Also as we move to digital platforms accents are less of an issue. Occasionally I’ve take loads where I’ve never talked with the broker and only communicated by email and text.
I mean we are in an English speaking country, so the bare minimum for business should be being able to fluently speak and write English
Notice who is yelling?
They always raise the voice when they want to silence us
Double brokering is bad because it takes away from what the driver ultimately gets paid because drivers should be paid as much as reasonably possible... ( so drivers stick around in the industry)
Yup!
Dispatch services is like 4 to lo 6 %%% even i did talk to some dispatch like that
Yep
Good job he sounds like chicago land companies at end of the day it hurts the carrier if load keepa getting passes around there no money to haul the load profitability guys like that guy needs to be pushed out
Mhmmmm
Those people double broke the are the one who killing this industry 😊😊😊😊😊
Yup!
Sounds like a Double broker hurt because he isn't getting away with it anymore
Yupppp!
I think this guy was really just messing with you. He may have worked as a broker before which is why he has “some” understanding but what he’s saying doesn’t make sense
I don't think his fuse would've blown like that if he was simply messing around lol
Guy on phone sounds "real legit"???😅😅
Real legit!
800$ a week or 45$h witch one do you prefer
The red pill or the blue pill?
@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News you walk in a room or cafeteria full of truckers and say I'm paid 45 . That's when you see agent Smith 👀 everywhere 😇
i believe that capitalism works best when governments stay out of the system, but you need some entity, in this case, government to create a fair system. A fair system takes into account both sides of the load, brokers and carriers. Are all systems foolproof? No, but in this case, double-booking should NOT be legal. Screw these scammers. If they allowed double-broking loads, you allow unscrupulous companies to book a load, then get paid on that load, but fail to pay the actual carrier. Further, this is also a problem that the carrier is getting screwed because each broker will take his cut because the other brokers do not add any value to the load. IF that is this guys business model, he needs to change his model and carriers (especially owner operators) should be informed that the load is double-brokered. As the trucker, we don't need the added headaches and risks involved.
If there are operators stupid enough to deliver a double-brokered load, then it is on them. These operators are running higher risks without being compensated.
screw this guy and his business model.
You have a great point BUT. Brokers are in fact, NOT the other side of the load. Shippers are. The customers, the manufacturing companies, etc, those are who stands on the other side of the load. Brokers are middle men who simply hop in the center to intercept the shippers' loads and get it to carriers
I pull double brokered freight all the time. I'll lose 50 on a load to not stop my day to fill out a packet
You are a part of the problem this industry has.
Multiple mc it’s really bad
Steel form drivers and big accident no responsibility at all the guy he wants to do this i think he has 18 years experience for accident and stealing from the driver 😂😂
Thank you Ronan to show us how to be worried about those people
Haha, thanks for watching!
Why why why😂😂😂
Why?!
The main point is that he is a parasite on a contract between two parties where he is not needed. And if you're going to argue that this is some kind of anarcho-capitalism then you got to take all the laws off the table
😅😅😅
Well I'm going to have to disagree and agree Amtrak's to break down and some don't depends on the miles and the engine
Hm?
רונן כל הכבוד לך אתה עושה עבודה נפלאה
Ronen* but thanks for watching!
It is so obvious that he is trying to put you down to make you doubt about your opinion because he is afraid that his malpractice get dismantled. Obviously he is an unethical individual who likes to live from the sweat of others.
That's how they go about it lol
The last video affected his business in very bad way.😂😂😂😂
Haha, he was probably working with Viva Unique or something
Bro!!! All this time I thought you were Arab! 😂😂😂 thanks for the video!
Lol, Ronen has a nonstop guessing game surrounding his origins
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News whatever his origins are thanks for all the videos. Keep it up!
Thirty-two minutes of nonsense and no one cared about the drivers. When I drove we dealt with the actual shippers. Screw all these so called freight “movers” who are raping the drivers by using their MCC’s.
Um, we care about the drivers, that's why we're not accepting double brokering lol. Beyond it being illegal, the drivers basically get cents, if anything at all!
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News I talking about all brokers period. As I stated, I had my MCC and posted rates which I dealt with the actual receivers of the freight. My rates were slightly higher than others but I guaranteed their meat would be there every Sunday night no matter what the weather was like. Mid-70’s I was doing $2.50/mile. My wife would do all the paperwork. My backhaul would cover all fuel and road tax. I was grossing well over $170k/year. I doubt very much 90% of drivers who use load boards can make that claim. BTW, that $170k works out to a little over $800k in 2024 numbers. Enjoy your day.
Lol "buddies" was the only one with an actual accent. I think you hurt his feelings because he knows he's a slim ball.
Potentially
That broker sounds so smart, and his accent sounds like a real American.😂😂😂
A real scamer!!!!
Haha, right?
That’s guy is so annoying!!
Haha, thanks for watching!
😮
Haha, thanks for watching
If you are taking double brokerd loads the money that should have been paid to the carrier and giving it away to some scam artist who is lowering your pay and making it harder to run your company
Simple mathematics
Why why why😂
That part cracked me up too, Ronen is HILARIOUS
Who the fuck wants to work with TQL
Haha, great question
They should ✋️ stop out of country people Dispatcher all should be illegal 😤 and less you live in the USA or asual citizens
What if they migrate and become citizens?
25:07 4%-6% for doing nothing IMO worth that much 😳
Haha yeah
Do not forget that cobrokering is legal. Fair? It's not double brokering
As long as the transparency is maintained and you aren't breaking a contract
He SAYS he's been in business for 12 years but sounds like he hasn't been in North America for 6.
Claims you called him.names?? Hahaha.
And then asking how much you earn per year.
His accent sounds WAY thicker than yours.
It's entirely plausible that many of those 12 years were spent in foreign lands
His English is not well, but he is double brokering is double brokering
Drinking and talkin it’s no good
Yup!
It's illegal..
They don't even care, a simple google search would confirm that
Two immigrants arguing on the phone about trucking industry in America 🇺🇸 😂…..we are all doomed
Aren’t all Americans immigrants?
I doubt that you are native American Yuseff.
With a name like "Yuseff" you and your ancestors must be native to America 😅😂
Apparently you don't know he is Canadian.
@@YanilMiami305maybe Native middle eastern!! 😅
TOO MANY SKETCHY IMMIGRANTS trying and fkn the trucking industry , this needs to stop…
A lot needs to stop!
Lol
Thanks for watching!
Good to know you are Indian haha
Did you watch the entire video?
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News yes but I know you are not Indian, was the joke for that the guy was telling you haha
Haha I was guessing Iranian and Armenian
Haha, Ronen def thought the former but the latter checked out
Y’all are still complaining about double brokering? It’s the scam era for our industry now, I’d rather give my load to a DB than to a BS scammer.
I mean, we aren't complaining. He called us to tell us that he doesn't like our video exposing an entirely different broker
Fake video for views
So, let me get this straight. You think we sat on a phone for over half an hour with someone, orchestrated the whole call, just for views? Do we not have better things to do? Lol, our usual videos aren't even near this length, we have nothing to gain for wasting time on a fake call XD
Ronen is such a smart guy this is just one of his another made up videos hired actor or one of his employees I can’t believe this for same reason why I don’t believe his dispatch videos, reason is I’ve heard these voices in his company worked with ET in the past.
As spoken by a person with no grammar whatsoever. I do got hear this voices ever before. 😂
@@deluxetransport3208I doubt the authenticity of this video he makes them for views
Sure we did! Because clearly, we don't have 100s of trucks to manage and a company to run. So hiring someone to spend well over 30 minutes chatting our VPO's ear off seems like such a great idea
here i am working away like usually do” so ronen randomly working spoke to someone for 15 odd minutes someone who’s extremely rude and unpleasant to talk to? Give me a damm break you guys can fool these naive owner operators lol this is clearly a made up video for a good cause obviously i will give the credit where it’s due so kudos great acting by both 👏