That's the coolest interpretation I've read of that. Personally, I just saw it as being from Charlie's perspective--as a poor kid, all he sees is other people enjoying things he can't and there's no visible reason because kids don't focus on the mundane parts of reality, like paying for things. To him, it's a party and he doesn't have an invitation.
@@neonsmoviereviews7969 Slugworth Jay: "Stop being pissed off about being so tiny and get me that Everlasting Gobstopper recipe. I'll make you a giant!" "But sir, you're smaller than I am!" [Slugworth Jay canes them to death]
@@roberte2945 The 'self-made millionaire' is a lie that relatively wealthy and privileged people tell to justify their increase in wealth and privilege.
@@TWRehab comfort in not being rich, not so much mediocrity. A job, a home, a puppy that loves you... a family if you're lucky. High expectations being destroyed with no guidance can leave one in a depressed, bitter state. Been there.
@@metalnut92 Having said that the number who succeed is far outweighed by the number who probably tried just as hard and for whatever reason failed so I change my mind and have decided you have a point. It's what happens when you reply instinctively before thinking.
Gene Wilder's is a more spetacular version (as well as more humorous version) while Johnny Depp's was more realistic (as in how awkward he always is due to his relationship with his father and being a shut-in for decades). Both movies have their own merits and are different styles of movies. Sad that people can't enjoy both of them without comparing them.
@@Ironica82 Deep never felt like a goofy magician who tripped on acid and never came down. There were parts of his awkwardness that might have worked if it was the base of his performance but it wasn't Burton just let him do whatever he wanted.
I take Gene's Wonka as a guy who grew up the proper way, but sees a world that is one or the other. Charlie had a side of child like innocence, but was wise and mature for his age that brought promise.
The reason everything in Willy's office is cut in half was because the director Mel Stuart couldn't bear the thought of - after having gone through all the whimsical and creative rooms in the factory - ending the movie in an ordinary office. Everything was cut in half to make the room look more Wonka-esque. And in my opinion, I also like to think it reflects the fact that Wonka may have all the imagination and an endless sense of wonder.....but is still an incomplete man.
What a simple idea that created an amazing set piece. There's a great lesson there of how limitations (the tiny budget) can breed creativity and something simple on paper looks much grander in action.
Having everything cut in half is definitely more on theme for the rest of the movie and is more fun for kids. But it would have been interesting change and contrast for Willy Wonka to have a regular boring office. Inferring that Wonka might not be as crazy as he puts on. (Or is he)
@@noone3216 There’s weird stuff all throughout the movie that gave it character and made it memorable, different creative things open to interpretation. Unlike the Burton version that is totally bland and whacky just for the sake of it.
@@AndI0td763I always like media which gives more to the audience the deeper they look. You see it with the classic books, Great Gatsby or Mockingbird, the deeper you look the more there is to see. Its why we write essays on them in English class. But some movies do it too. In Frozen, there is parallelism and foreshadowing hidden in the characters, the visuals, the plot, heck, even the music. Good movies have both good plot, visuals, characters, etc, but they also have a deeper meaning to lots of things. You can see Wonka as a bit incomplete behind the scenes, the factory that the kids are supposed to see is perfect, but everything about Wonka's private space is only half complete. Not everything has to be some literary device, especially in a fun kids movie, but it's nice when there are a few scattered throughout.
I always thought Grandpa Joe was the one positive character in Charlie's life but, it turns out, he's the villian? (Not the mother with her dream stomping?)
5:45 I actually really appreciate that Charlie’s mom doesn’t just blatantly tell him untrue things to motivate him, just tells him pragmatically what’s likely to happen, especially since the character doesn’t know they’re in a movie where this situation is guaranteed, unlike the viewers.
Yeah that's really good. It seems like there's an unspoken requirement for parents to lie to their kids in movies just so they can be horribly disillusioned by the time they grow, everyone is so used to constantly lying to each other
This reminds me of that episode from The Next Generation called Deja Q where the character, Q, a being part of the Q Continuum is turned into a normal being after he's given the choice of being turned into whatever sort of mortal being he wants to be because of some of his actions. During of the episode, both he and Data go to Ten Forward because the former is hungry for the first time now that he's human. He's unsure what to eat and Data tells him that he observed that humans often eats thing based on their mood. Q says he's in a very bad mood and Data answers by telling him that Deanna Troi, the ship Counselor, Troi, has a habit of consuming chocolate sundae when she's in a bad mood. Q then proceeds to ask for ten chocolate sundaes. All of this talk about chocolate also reminds me how I ate chocolate chip cookies not long before I made this post which reminds me of that DS9 episode, Paradise where the antagonist character pulls out all sort of stupid crap out of her ass, exactly like I'm doing now.
When it asks the operator what a computer would do with a lifetime supply of chocolate It's then implied that the operator tells it to stick it up its ass lol
“I will ask the computer to locate the three remaining golden tickets” “‘I won’t tell you. That would be cheating.’ I am now telling the computer that if it does tell me, I will share the reward with it” “‘What could a computer do with a lifetime supply of chocolate’ I am now asking the computer what it CAN do with a lifetime supply of chocolate!”
Computer 🖥️: "What would a computer do with a lifetime supply chocolate?" Computer Salesman 😠: "I'm now telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate!"
Gene Wilder did say something about the remake: "I think it's an insult - Warner Brothers' insult, I think" "Johnny Depp, I think, is a good actor, but I don't care for that director [Burton]. He's a talented man, but I don't care for him doing stuff like he did." "The thing that put me off ... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much ... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him" "It's just some people sitting around thinking, 'How can we make some more money?' Why else would you remake Willy Wonka? I don't see the point of going back and doing it all over again"
He's right. Depp could have been a great Wonka, but the direction and the tone they went with was just so god awful. Tim Burton flanderized himself and it's a shame, if it had been more like his older movies it could have been good.
The best thing about Wonka's office is that when he is reading the half contract he reads a bit then says, "etc. etc.", when he skips over the part that is cut off. It's comedic but he plays it so serious and straight that I don't think most people even notice it. It's genius.
i only realized this just now watching this video. i always thought he was just kinda abridging it as he went because he was so angry, never occurred to me that it was because half the words were missing. so goddamn brilliant
As do I. What a wonderful actor who made a bunch of great films in the 70's, from the comedies with Mel Brooks ("The Producers," "Blazing Saddles," ":Young Frankenstein") to "Silver Streak" where he was the reluctant action hero and a genuine romantic lead. He was such a every-man you couldn't help but root for him.
@@jamesallen9325 One of my favourite facts about Young Frankenstein is that apparently the 'Igor, take the bags' scene took nearly 100 takes to shoot because no one was able to keep a straight face and the camera crew kept laughing so hard the camera was shaking.
Staying in bed is one strategy for reducing caloric needs, which is used in famines and which was used even by students in the Great Depression. In the novel, Charlie's father has the job of twisting the top onto toothpaste containers. They are so poor that Charlie gets one bar of chocolate each year, which he just looks at and smells for months before opening it and beginning to nibble.
@TubasaurusRex In the book he is 96 and I think that's supposed to be the case for the movie too, they just casted someone who could move around when he needed to.
This is one of my favorite RLM videos. It's so nice hearing Mike and Jay talk so highly about a movie and not be completely miserable from the latest garbage action movie.
From Wikipedia: In 2007, Gene Wilder said he chose not to see the film. "The thing that put me off... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him." In 2013, when Wilder was asked about the Burton adaptation, he said, "I think it's an insult. It's probably Warner Bros.' insult." He also criticized the choices that Burton made as a director, saying, "I don't care for that director. He's a talented man, but I don't care for him doing stuff like he did."
Coming back to this years later to write a comment no one will see, but, I always loved the reveal of the Wonka office with only half of everything. Literally, in terms of the filmmaking, they didn't want a boring office after all of the whimsy of the rest of the factory, but I think by doing so, they stumbled upon something thematically brilliant. You see, all the rest of the factory was intended to be seen by the guests. It could be easy to say that all of the wild sights were just a staged experience to thrill the kids on their tour, and that none of it actually reflected the work of Wonka's business. His office, however, was never a part of the tour. No one was supposed to see it. So, to find it's in just as unusual a state as the rest of the factory legitimizes that there's a madness to Wonka's method. He isn't just some businessman with a quirky sense of showmanship, but is actually something of a mad genius whose works are born from methods totally unorthodox to the regular world. That office proves the "magic" of Willy Wonka and his factory is real.
Gene Wilder didn't see it, saying, "The thing that put me off... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him. Good call, Gene.
@WR Smithers 'even a broken clock is right twice a day' is very unfair. He is very good in a bunch of movies and whatever he is, he is most certainly not 'just a hack'. Just to be clear, I have no love for the man, but look at his earlier filmography, he wasn't beloved 15 years ago for nothing.
Mike is my favorite, though I love all the RLM guys. His eyes... he is intelligent but his eyes have the same worldly sadness I carry. Empaths often lose themselves feeling everyone else. My dad drank himself to death because it turned into something he was afraid of and refused to embrace. Seeing Mike sing cheers me up but I know the gentle melancholy is always there, and trying to find the best in an awful world. Maybe that was too deep, but depression is real and gets worse because we never address what's truly going in internally nor externally.
I really like the scene with Charlie's mom when she's at work. She's where he gets his honesty from. She doesn't sugar coat things, she tells him how you could have a bag full of money and the odds of finding a ticket are still so far against you. And in a house of 6 (mom, charlie, 4 elderly) she seems to be the only provider, plus maybe charlie on his paper route. So she knows poverty and just wants Charlie to be more of a realist who spends his earnings on his own well being rather than essentially gambling and remaining broke. The song she sings after he leaves is saying that despite her words to him she really does love her son and thinks he deserves the best in life and he really should hold on to his dreams. To grandpa Joe's devil on the shoulder, she is the angel on Charlie's other shoulder. The last thing before Charlie runs off, she tells him things will change when he least expects it. I'm sure that after getting yelled at (or next to) by Wonka the last thing Charlie expected was his quick turn around into kindness and giving over the factory. Mom did good raising him.
Thanks for defending Charlie's mom and her song. It is indeed a lull part in the film that i found boring as a kid but going back to it as an adult I was able to appreciate the emotions and parental love in its lyrics. This is a film that in a lot of ways can be appreciated more as an adult.
There's three basic styles of conflict in literature: hero vs villain, hero vs environment, and hero vs self. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is very much a hero vs environment story, because our protagonist has everything they need to reach the end and simply must resist being changed by their environment. In a sense, that means the _setting_ is the antagonist. The Wonka factory tour is a trap designed to catch the corruptible, and the tour is Charlie's opponent, not Willy Wonka. Grandpa Joe does indeed personify cynicism, showing us what a Charlie who fails the test might eventually become, but that doesn't make Joe a villain. He just ends up being one of the many obstacles in the environment. The other kids all fail at least in part due to their parents' enabling behavior, and so Joe is the final obstacle for Charlie in the same way that the other kids' adult mentors had failed them. Charlie remaining true to himself is not just a victory against the factory tour, but the environment in which he was raised and the poor circumstances of his birth. It's one of those classic rags to riches American dream style stories, which makes it no small wonder that a modern remake was doomed to fail.
Bam. Nailed it. Only the pure soul who doesn't cave to environment, no matter the pressure, gets the golden ticket. The real golden ticket is unconditional love and loving yourself, family, and being good (yup, actual morality) no matter your circumstances. I miss these notions. We often wonder why depression levels have skyrocketed in this country... Well, when you're too afraid to put morality in tales anymore, you're making hollow, empty tales.
@@bennysizzle79 Well if we want to talk about the significance of the ticket, it's the literal 'ticket to success'. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory preaches karma; that success comes to those that are honest and not easily swayed by those around them, and that opportunities to rise above your social class are found by exemplifying these traits. It relies on a certain optimism, where the better of a person you are, the better the odds of a good thing coming your way, rather than the traditional 'patience and honest work' of the classic American dream. For me, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a demonstrable turning point to the end of an era, where getting rich quick and golden opportunities begin to overpower the concept of working your way to the top. In other words, it's a story about the American dream that also heralds the death of the American dream. On the surface the story is about overcoming circumstance, but when you really break it down, overcoming difficulty and a good work ethic have little to nothing to do with Charlie's golden ticket: It's about luck, knowing the right people, and if you can't inherit wealth from your parents, find a new 'parent' to inherit from, because the only way to ride the elevator past that glass ceiling is if business daddy invites you on.
That was something of a surprise, wasn't it? Not that he liked the movie but loved it enough that he'd spout lines strait from the movie. You could almost see him as a child asking about all the candy "names" shown in the opening credits. Though I do feel sorry that Gene Wilder was subjected to the remake, I can't imagine what it must have felt like to see a much beloved cult classic that he was personally part of remade into something so very upsetting.
@@DracoMetallium Star Trek TNG is Mike's mental safe place. When he thinks about it, Picard goes "slide!". You know he's happy about the present when he never mentions TNG.
I was waiting for it to escalate the way he delivered the line. Like “grabs her fucking face and SLAMS HER INTO THE GROUND”. Or something to that effect.
according to IMDB it's because the people making it couldn't bear to have such a magical fantastical set for the whole factory and then just have a normal office at the end, so they cut everything in half.
The subtle shot at 38:55 of Wonka pulling a hair out of Mike TV's head and the cut to the adult actor and slow zoom on his bald head made me burst out laughing. The editing in RLMs videos is just as witty as the commentary at times and here it's just thrown into the background while Mike makes a larger point about the movie.
Charlie's mother tries to spare his feelings in case he doesn't find a golden ticket but she still encourgaes him before he leaves the laundry. - Mother: "Charlie, you'll get your chance. One day things will change." - Charlie: "When? When will they change?" - Mother: "Probably when you least expect it." This is exactly what happens to Charlie in the movie. Things change when he least expects it. Cheer up Charlie is my favorite song in the movie. It's about not giving up hope.
I love how in the end you get a sense that Wonka has been deeply hurt in life. He's hilariously cynical throughout the movie, but had a shred of hope for Charlie. Then tries to move on as yet another hope is dashed, keeps it polite until they keep after him. Then he just loses it. Gene Wilder is amazing.
Gene Wilder was amazing at freaking out in any movie, it's clear he has always had some input into his character, or chose characters to play that fit his style. The freak outs are always so earned, it's a boiling point, taken out of context I realize that some of them don't seem as realistic or natural as in the context of what he's done with a character up to that point. He's one of the best by far, it's hard for me to think of an actor who can have so many perfect inflections in his voice and little eye movements that encapsulate a feeling so well. He had this grounded in reality but animated way about him, it's hard to take your eyes off anything he's doing. It also payed off that he was so nice because he had amazing supporting roles that elevated other performances in movies, famously with Richard Prior.
I disagree, I always thought the blow up was Wonka’s final test to see if Charlie was truly good, or if he would cave in for the money from Slugworth just out of spite. You can see him buried in his work as they approach him as if yelling at them is the last thing he wants to do. Wonka knows Charlie already learned his lesson for taking the lifting drink when he mentions they bumped into the ceiling, having a near death experience in the process. The only way to see if Charlie was truly good and worthy was if he would actually accept his wrongdoing and think for himself, rather than follow along with whatever Grandpa Joe said. All those elements make the specific part where Charlie hands the gobbstopper back over so important. Wonka’s finally found the correct child to take over for him. Also worth noting that after it was all revealed to be a charade, Wonka begs Charlie to forgive him and says it was all a test to see if he truly was good. Damn, this is a good movie.
What I still love is that this interpretation makes complete sense, but you can also buy it as a performance, which it obviously also is. You never know where Wonka's coming from until the end when he goes out of "character." I really don't think it came down to the fizzy lifting drinks though. I think Wonka kind of had Charlie in mind from the beginning and the temptation customized for him wasn't actually intended to eliminate him (it would have been a tube to nowhere rather than a grisly metal fan). The Gobstopper was the real test and as a morality/fairy tale the tour through the factory was a formality. He needed Charlie to think the drinks were the sticking point though.
I always thought it was funny that the main character in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is Charlie and the main character in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka.
I always remembered having the opinion that Gene Wilder was the better actor, but those were both in my top 10 or so greatest performances of all time of course i was like 8-12 somewhat so i couldn't see like actual great movies but
you could also say that it's the movie telling kids "there will be people who won't believe in your dreams, but sometimes they just don't want you to be disappointed"
Yeah. I always saw it as her just wanting to temper in Charlie's expectations, seeing the life they have. It can come off as mean, but she just doesn't want him to feel the immense disappointment, and heartbreak that telling a kid they can do anything, or chase your dreams, can cause when reality hits them. Luckily Charlie got his wish, but that doesn't happen often in real life. Also helps to hammer in the cynicism of an adult, who has seen their dreams come and go, juxtapose to the head in the clouds lifestyle children lead.
He’s a old man remembering his favorite childhood films,you usually feel happy when looking back on your childhood films. Not mention both films are family movies, and good family movies make you feel like a child agin
Oh no, Mike is so broken he's willingly digging through childhood memories and nostalgia for some good feelings and cheer. Rich needs to come back and give purpose to him again.
You can literally hear Mike's voice crack during the Plinkett ST:P review when he begins the old man and the train set analogy. Funny is funny, but destroying a series that was ultimately about hope is devastating, and Mike fucking knows that.
I hope he keeps doing re;views of other classics he loves. I know things like Empire or Raiders of the Lost Ark have been talked about to death but Mike just has a special way of talking about movies he loves.
Charlie: "Why doesn't she listen to Mr. Wonka, Uncle Joe?" Uncle Joe: "Because she's a nitwit, Charlie." The Literal next scene they both steal fizzy lifting drinks
30:28 According to Mel Stuart's book "Pure Imagination: The Making of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", the reason everything in Willy's office is cut in half was because Stuart couldn't bear the thought of, after having gone through all the whimsical and creative rooms in the factory, ending the movie in an ordinary office. Everything was cut in half to make the room look more Wonka-esque.
@@basicfacekick Yeah it really shows Wonka's integrity in a weird way. Either he is completely committed to this role of an eccentric weirdo, or he sincerely sees the world completely differently to most other people.
@@Kuonji I love the divorce explanation. It also fits with Wonka making everyone sign these impossible-to-read contracts. He's making sure nobody takes him to the cleaners ever again.
Grandpa Joe is less of a villain, and more of a dark shadow of Charlie's future I think. He's the example of the selfish person that Charlie must be tempted to be because of how poor he is.
He’s also the representation of ones irresponsible side, but he can also have good intentions..for example wanting charlie to have some fun given that his life is spent working to support his poor family.
I have not seen this old version yet, so I am stunned: THIS IS MUNICH! My home town Munich, capital of Bavaria in Southern Germany. And it is shown as it used to be after WW II until the 80ies, much poorer then today, but a happier, comfy place. The first scene is at the Stachus close to Maxburg, with the Lady's Cathedral (Frauenkirche) in the background. I think the street scenes were shot in the Au, back then a working class quarter with rather outdated, not-in-a-good-way-vintage houses. The newspaper man sells, amongst other things, Merian books, which were the no.1 travel magazines for people to dream of nice places. The little boy drinks Paulaner beer, with the old label, that was unfortunately changed when the big six breweries of Munich all tried to update and now kinda look the same. Mr. Wonkas place (exterior) itself was a former gasoline factory that ceased to exist, but it once stood in Moosach, North-Western Munich, where I am living. I knew this already thanks to some local history publications.
Just started to watch. That's awesome! Ich komme zwar nicht aus München, wohne aber seit zehn Jahren hier. Habe den alten Wonka Film auch noch nicht gesehen, jetzt mach ich's auf jeden Fall 😉 Liebe Grüße
He never actually said he was embarrassed, that was just a clickbait misrepresentation. He talks a lot about the early Boingo years now, other than a general self embarassment that anyone has looking back at themselves decades ago
No idea why Danny (or Rick, for that matter) would be embarrassed about Oingo Boingo, because they were a great experimental band. Moreover, if anyone would like to see a movie made by the Elfman brothers that features the band's entire original lineup, check out _Forbidden Zone._ It's a wild ride.
I can definitely see where Jay was coming from. It wouldn't have been a *perfect* fit, but I can see the odd synthesizer and drums, mixed with the semi-psychadelic vocals of their music working for the Oompah Loompahs. That is, if Elfman had been granted full control over the music and Burton didn't decide to... Burton-ify it.
I love how grounded the first movie was. It had a very old world feel to it, like the people who worked on it actually lived through poverty and could thus portray it with realism.
We have empathy for the Charlie, because he is portrayed realistically, honestly both in the factory and in the real world. I had empathy for no one in the remake, everything was so fake that I couldn't get into that headspace. I didn't notice it, but my brain did.
A lot of it also was due to the budget. They really managed to make a set look like a fantastical but practical factory, unlike the book which was far more out there.
I really like Charlie in this version because of that. Like he's got a great heart but you get the sense he's a little jaded, but not unrealistically so. He's a good kid but he knows how much it sucks being poor, and doesn't really believe he ever had a real chance to get a ticket because he knows good things don't usually happen, especially not for him. He only got a ticket because he found a little extra money and wanted some chocolate to feel better. He wasn't looking for it. Which makes it feel all the better that sometimes good things can just happen out of nowhere.
The problem with Tim Burton is simple: he's forgotten that form over function makes for dull movies. weirdness to be weird doesn't make a movie interesting; you need something real behind it.
Yeah like I know they get compared a lot as being equally insufferable to certain people but I think that's the reason why people are more receptive to Wes Anderson film's than most Burton film's in the last twenty years. Anderson has an equally aggressive style but within that style there is still usually an emotional hook of characters with compelling arcs. Like Ralph Fiennes while in a dollhouse still feels like a living, likable person and a lot of effort was put into his personal story and not just the models of the Grand Budapest hotel. Burton on the other hand doesn't always put equal effort into style and substance which defines his best film's like Ed Wood or Big Fish.
Hint, Tim Burton has always put form ahead of function. The only times his movies have ever been good are when individual performances shine through (PeeWee, Beetlejuice) or when the characters perfectly line up with Burton’s tone (Nightmare, Batman). Even at his best, Burton can barely get 30-40min of compelling screentime smashed inbetween piles of shit.
@@Jaxck77 while I think he's made some good and occasionally even great movies and think you're a bit harsh there I do agree that Burton isn't the greater storyteller. Honestly I've never understood why he's put on so many great directors lists when his filmography pretty damn hit or miss and honestly has more bad remakes at this point than great film's.
I agree. Tim Burton never lets you forget that he's directing and it's usually to the detriment of everything else. "You are watching a Tim Burton™ movie and don't you ever forget it."
Before the virus I had a weekly piano gig at a hotel and there wasn’t one week where I didn’t play Pure Imagination. People would be so pumped and exclaim “Willy Wonka!” It’s one of the most beautiful songs to me. Truly timeless. I love how the line “living there, you’ll be free, if you truly wish to be,” feels as you watch Gene Wilder say it. You really see the longing in him to truly believe in that himself. You can see his lack of hope when he interacts with those terrible kids, and that’s what’s so amazing about Charlie; he reignites Wonka’s hope.
Very interesting that you say everyone skips Charlie's moms song. I watched this movie with my dad as a kid and this was his absolute favorite song in the whole movie. I would want to skip it but he would say no and sing along. Grateful for those experiences, because after I lost him, this song also became my favorite in the movie, and his spirit still sings me that song to mine every so often. ❤ Miss ya dad. He would have really enjoyed hearing you guys talk about this movie.
I know people hate Cheer Up Charlie but I'm certainly not one of them. I think it's a sweet song and I even get misty eyed cuz it makes me think of my mum.
24:58 “That money was for tobacco.” “I told you, Charlie, I’ve given it up.” I love that so much, because I’m sure he didn’t really wanna quit smoking as much as he wanted to make Charlie happy.
I've been saying this for over 10 years. I can't say I originally thought of it though. There is/was a Cracked article years back that pointed this out.
Someone had a good write-up of this concept online years back. The family can't eat but yet Joe is stashing secret money that he uses to buy Charlie a Wonka bar. When Charlie finally finds the golden ticket, Joe pops out of bed, proving that he's able-bodied and could have been working to support the family all along, singing "I'VE got a golden ticket" when it should be Charlie's, etc.
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"Little people were in short supply in 1971 in Germany." It's almost like somebody tried to get rid of them or something.
I love charlies mothers song, its beautiful - its just her trying to lower his son's expectations so he doesnt becum too broken hearted by the world like she has been. some parents do that one way or another, and its just a great soft conflict that charlie faces and makes him finding the golden ticket more of an amazing moment.
I remember telling my step mother I wanted to be an astronaut, and was very serious about it around 11 or 12. She just looked me dead in the eyes and said "give up on your dreams now, it's easier that way" and went back to what she was doing. Harsh, but understandable later in life.
@@LegionEmu396 well, I think it's just wrong, saying stuff like that to the kids. Everyone should have a dream, a goal, something. What's the point of living if you don't?
I always assumed the candy man scene wasn't literal; it was Charlie's interpretation of what it must be like in the store (since later on we see that the candy man is quite no nonsense when it comes to payment)
Interesting thought. We do only see the character twice, and it's those two contrasting personas. Cashier: What? Charlie: Aren't you gonna sing for me? Cashier: ....what are you talking about?
Yeah, it's an exaggerated and visually interesting way of showing how Charlie perceives all the fun and things and goods that he's missing out on because he's poor.
God gene absolutely made this film. The comment of how all his lines are flirting the line of sincere or sarcastic is ace. One of my all time favorite movies from my childhood. Great music. Great lines. Incredible set pieces. Great prequel to snowpiercer.
I don’t know. I feel like the change in directors was a bad choice for the wonka franchise as snowpiercer’s tone was much darker. If they had stuck with the same director, the arc would have been more complete.
It's so neat hearing Mike and Jay talk about how they saw this movie as little kids, because I also saw it as a little kid and I'm half their age. It really is a classic.
Ironically, Burton followed the novel more faithfully than the original. However, his version is a perfect example of why writing an adaptation, which captures the essence of the source material while at the same time diverging from it, is an art. Wilder is the only Willy Wonka I acknowledge.
@@help4343 True but many of the scenes like showing him go to the island of the Oompa Loompas, showing what the kids look like after their ordeal in the factory, and even the introduction of the kids are lifted straight from the book.
Burton's film is an odd one because it follows the book more closely - except for Wonka. Depp didn't want to be too close to Wilder's iconic performance so he overcompensated by doing the Michael Jackson thing. I feel like Burton's film with Wilder as Wonka would be a pretty great movie.
As a fan of the book over the 71 film I know I would enjoy the Burton/Wilder combo more than I currently like either film separately. Neither film works as well as the book for me for very different reasons. I've never liked how the 71 film has Charlie act just as badly as the other kids with the Fizzy Lifting and yet he gets away with it as the other kids are punished for equal violations. Then again, 05 does such a weird thing with Wonka and the Oompa Loompas. I guess I just see both films as flawed and missing the spirit of the book.
If I recall correctly the german restaurant where Augustus Gloop's family is interviewed at was an actual one, and the extras in the background are crew members having their lunch.
I read the witches when i was about 12. It was so disturbing, and the book was dotted with pictures that stand out, like the witches being very uncomfortable trying to squeeze their square feet into heels, and scratching their bald heads because their wigs were itchy. Nobody wrote for kids like Roal Dhal
@@Charles12 the book is definitely more disturbing. There is a bit in the book about a child who disappeared when he had in fact been turned into a porpoise by one of the witches. He said goodbye to his family or friend, can't remember which, and swam off, never to be seen again. I just remember being really upset by that.
28:20 Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how the wrapper that Veruca throws curls neatly around Wonka and doesn't even touch him, emphasizing just how unfazed he is by her outburst
The only part in the tim burton version that made me laugh and I still remember is when it shows grandpa joe from 30 years ago working at the factory and it fast forward to present and he looked exactly the same.
The part where Wonka speaks to Veruca Salt while imitating her father makes me laugh - "I'm sorry dear, Mr Wonka is being most unreasonable" (or something to that effect)
There is a brilliant, transcendent line from this movie that I sincerely quote every time I face a setback in life that feels so bad I want to cry: "I bet the gold makes the chocolate taste terrible"
Jay's right. This is like Apocalypse Now. Journey by boat into a surreal world of excess, gradually losing members along the way, killing animals onscreen, thrilling airborne sequence, very psychedelic.
there's something really powerful about this, Ghostbusters, Star Wars and Home Alone all kind of being slapped together, seat of your pants films that absolutely should not have worked on paper and they all became classics because the people involved all had to be as creative as they possibly could be
That's what happens when you have limitations; If you have to work around something, or invent something to make it work, then you get creative and experiment a little which tends to have good results at least most of the time. It makes you take more time to think things through and really collaborate and come up with some more ideas, some of which end up being better or working better during filming than the original plan or idea. Now, everyone just says "fuck it, if we can't do it we'll just throw up a green screen and CGI it", which eliminates a lot of world building consideration earlier in the process etc.
@@crystalrowan Jaws is the crowned-king of this. They made a shark movie where the shark only shows up nearly an hour and a half into a 2 hour 10 minute movie, and *EVEN THEN* only gets FOUR FUCKING MINUTES of screentime. It is the epitome of the concept of "less is more".
@@JohnSmith-hd2tl The Nazis killed any one with mental or physical defects. So there might have been some younger people with dwarfism it would limit the number since those people are rare to begin with.
when they play this on TV, Charlie's mom's song is cut out for time. For the longest time I didnt know about that sequence as I only had it recorded from TV.
I understand why they chose this movie now. All these folks screaming, fighting, battling for the high horse. Who among them truly deserves the golden ticket? I think too much sometimes, but my instincts are keen.
Tim Burton is brilliant when he is producing his own original stories like Edward Scissorhands. The problems start, when he's brought in to adapt something.
The problem his style runs into, is when he started it was a unique aesthetic, mixing dark & gothic with this childlike sensibility; it was a dark, children's fairytale. Though because it was so influential, it was unashamedly imitated to the point it now seems parodic or pastiche, especially when Burton uses his own style! That art direction adds minimal narrative depth and mostly works to create the Burton mood. Unfortunately, when you know the style of sets and props are not solid physical works, but rather all digital artifice, that style is robbed of any secondary appreciation for the imaginative craft that could have gone into it.
"We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; -- World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems." -- From "Ode," by Arthur O'Shaughnessy.
That's a really good poem when you think about how the people who start trends or make advancements in the world tend to be outcasts or those who are isolated because they don't "fit-in".
Apparently Gene Wilder did see the remake. Here’s what he said: “I think it’s an insult. Johnny Depp, I think, is a good actor, but I don’t care for that director [Tim Burton]. He’s a talented man, but I don’t care for him doing stuff like he did.’”
@@zinnydin2345 Speaking in 2013, Wilder was blunt when asked for his opinion of the movie remake. "I think it's an insult - Warner Brothers' insult, I think," he said. "Johnny Depp, I think, is a good actor, but I don't care for that director [Burton]. He's a talented man, but I don't care for him doing stuff like he did." Depp's performance in the film proved divisive, with many viewers preferring Wilder's sly, impish take on Wonka to Depp's rather more cartoonish interpretation. In a 2007 interview, Wilder admitted he couldn't bring himself to see the film. "The thing that put me off ... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much ... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him," he said. Even before the film's release, Wilder had dismissed the entire idea as a money-making exercise. "It's just some people sitting around thinking, 'How can we make some more money?' Why else would you remake Willy Wonka? I don't see the point of going back and doing it all over again," he said before the film hit cinemas. While that may not have been the intention, it was certainly the result: Burton's remake grossed almost half a billion dollars worldwid
@@MistaTwigz That film is absolutely dreadful. Tryhard hair and makeup, horrible bland cinematography and washed out colours, and two lead actors who can't sing and show no emotion throughout. If you want to see what Sweeney Todd is supposed to be then watch the filmed Broadway show from 1980 with George Hearne and Angela Lansbury. The Tim Burton version misses the mark entirely.
"We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world forever, it seems. With wonderful deathless ditties And out of a fabulous story We build up the world's great cities, We fashion an empire's glory: One man with a dream, at pleasure, Shall go forth and conquer a crown; And three with a new song's measure Can trample an empire down. We, in the ages lying In the buried past of the earth, Built Nineveh with our sighing, And Babel itself with our mirth; And o'erthrew them with prophesying To the old of the new world's worth; For each age is a dream that is dying, Or one that is coming to birth." ~ Arthur O'Shaughnessy, 'Ode' ~ Many of Wonka's poetic quotes are real poetry. When Wonka is singing while on the mixing bowl-bicycle (right before the candy explodes in Mike Teevee's mouth), he's singing lines from Shakespeare's As You Like It.
'Up the airy mountain, Down the rushy glen, We daren't go a-hunting. For fear of little men.' The poetry, quotes and references in this movie are all pitch perfect. They washed over me as a child, but fired my love of literature as I grew up. Quite a feat for a movie that has one of it's messages being TV rots the brain!
the guy outside the wonka factory is, i believe, a knife sharpener. that's a thing in germany. businesses will drive through your neighborhood offering knife sharpening services
A gent used to roll up outside my house upto around the late 70s, early 80s calling out his trade for knife and scissor sharpening. I was but a wee youngen then but I remember the scene well.
I really do love this movie. I watched it so many times growing up. When they talked about a villain I realized it wasn't a person but just greed. The greed over the golden tickets or the kids getting punished for taking more than they should. In the end, charlie chooses not to be greedy and gives the everlasting gobstopper back and wins. A good story that teaches a moral lesson.
And then taking him on an elevator that takes you up into the sky while finding amusement in his fear that he's going to get crushed by the ceiling. In an original deleted scene, right after they blow through the factory roof, Willy Wonka turns to Charlie and says "Don't fuck me, Charlie. Don't you ever try to fuck me."
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The candy store scene is important because it establishes that Charlie Bucket is so poor he can't afford free candy
I figured he couldn't go in since he was working the paper route but your theory is so ludicrously sad I'll accept it
Brian Kaslewicz It comes off that way. Anybody above 10 would say, “he’s missing out free candy and song.”
That's the coolest interpretation I've read of that. Personally, I just saw it as being from Charlie's perspective--as a poor kid, all he sees is other people enjoying things he can't and there's no visible reason because kids don't focus on the mundane parts of reality, like paying for things. To him, it's a party and he doesn't have an invitation.
@@vaeringjar1387 i think he was just joking
He's so poor that the newspaper route he works for gets paid by Charlie.
Petition for Mike to re-enact the entire Willy Wonka movie from memory
We need a commentary track.
Heck, they should release commentary tracks after every Re:View they did!
I want a commentary track for Willy Wonka in which Mike gradually segues into an hour-long monologue about Star Trek.
He needs to play every character, like that time Cher played everyone in West Side Story
Jay would be Slugworth
@@neonsmoviereviews7969 Slugworth Jay: "Stop being pissed off about being so tiny and get me that Everlasting Gobstopper recipe. I'll make you a giant!" "But sir, you're smaller than I am!" [Slugworth Jay canes them to death]
"His mother tells Charlies to lower his expectations and not dream... Which is a bit weirrrrd"
- Mike & Jay confirmed not British.
@@roberte2945 The 'self-made millionaire' is a lie that relatively wealthy and privileged people tell to justify their increase in wealth and privilege.
Its true. There is great comfort in mediocrity.
@@TWRehab comfort in not being rich, not so much mediocrity.
A job, a home, a puppy that loves you... a family if you're lucky.
High expectations being destroyed with no guidance can leave one in a depressed, bitter state.
Been there.
@@metalnut92 Richard Branson and Alan Sugar would disagree.
@@metalnut92 Having said that the number who succeed is far outweighed by the number who probably tried just as hard and for whatever reason failed so I change my mind and have decided you have a point. It's what happens when you reply instinctively before thinking.
"Stop, don't, come back" I love the apathetic way Gene delivers that line.
“Help. Police. Murder.”
It's perfect!
@@WhatBSees 💀 love it
Yeah,
like + 1 dead selfish brat = World just got better.
DARK 🤣
Still use it in everyday life
‘She’s telling him not to follow his dreams. It’s really bizarre.’
Actually it’s really British.
Haha
Giving your children the gift of measured expectations
@@janeeyre1990 When and she gave the gift of saying "Fuck you" instead
English.
Actually it's parenting during the 70's
Johnny Depp’s Willy Wonka was like a kid that never grew up, while Gene Wilder’s was like a kid that grew up but wished he didn’t.
aaw - thats so on point!
Gene Wilder's is a more spetacular version (as well as more humorous version) while Johnny Depp's was more realistic (as in how awkward he always is due to his relationship with his father and being a shut-in for decades). Both movies have their own merits and are different styles of movies. Sad that people can't enjoy both of them without comparing them.
@@Ironica82 Everyone can have their own opinions, but yours is wrong. (jk)
@@Ironica82 Deep never felt like a goofy magician who tripped on acid and never came down. There were parts of his awkwardness that might have worked if it was the base of his performance but it wasn't Burton just let him do whatever he wanted.
I take Gene's Wonka as a guy who grew up the proper way, but sees a world that is one or the other. Charlie had a side of child like innocence, but was wise and mature for his age that brought promise.
"Don't forget what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he always wanted.
He lived happily ever after."
That man was Rich Evans.
And all Rich ever wanted was to run the Chyron for one episode starring Mike.
So he got that juicy Shaq meat?
RIP sweet prince, you will be missed
Richard Evans, 1932-2020
He got aaaaaaiiiiiidddddssss!!!
Well when your are banging Julia Roberts, your life would be complete too. Dick the Birthday Body has had a great life.
The reason everything in Willy's office is cut in half was because the director Mel Stuart couldn't bear the thought of - after having gone through all the whimsical and creative rooms in the factory - ending the movie in an ordinary office. Everything was cut in half to make the room look more Wonka-esque. And in my opinion, I also like to think it reflects the fact that Wonka may have all the imagination and an endless sense of wonder.....but is still an incomplete man.
What a simple idea that created an amazing set piece. There's a great lesson there of how limitations (the tiny budget) can breed creativity and something simple on paper looks much grander in action.
Having everything cut in half is definitely more on theme for the rest of the movie and is more fun for kids.
But it would have been interesting change and contrast for Willy Wonka to have a regular boring office. Inferring that Wonka might not be as crazy as he puts on. (Or is he)
I took it more to mean like, everything in the room is half gone, including wonka
@@noone3216 There’s weird stuff all throughout the movie that gave it character and made it memorable, different creative things open to interpretation. Unlike the Burton version that is totally bland and whacky just for the sake of it.
@@AndI0td763I always like media which gives more to the audience the deeper they look. You see it with the classic books, Great Gatsby or Mockingbird, the deeper you look the more there is to see. Its why we write essays on them in English class.
But some movies do it too. In Frozen, there is parallelism and foreshadowing hidden in the characters, the visuals, the plot, heck, even the music.
Good movies have both good plot, visuals, characters, etc, but they also have a deeper meaning to lots of things. You can see Wonka as a bit incomplete behind the scenes, the factory that the kids are supposed to see is perfect, but everything about Wonka's private space is only half complete.
Not everything has to be some literary device, especially in a fun kids movie, but it's nice when there are a few scattered throughout.
"Grandpa Joe is the villain."
-Mike Stoklasa, hating the elderly since 1971
r/grandpajoehate
Mike was born in 1978. :)
@@NeuronalAxon he hated joe before he was born.
Ironically he's starting to go gray.
I always thought Grandpa Joe was the one positive character in Charlie's life but, it turns out, he's the villian? (Not the mother with her dream stomping?)
It brings me joy to see Mike’s black heart filled with childlike wonderment.
Idk, I usually see Jay being down on modern filmmaking.
What brings me Joy is I read this in Riker's authoritative voice
Fully agree. Happy old men!
Mike's depressed because he likes joyful things but lives in the 21st century
Mike... happy? Eww
TELL THE CREW TO PUSH THE WOLPNER BUTTON
PUSH THE WONKA BUTTON
I literally just rewatched that episode
You win.
Tell Jay to watch Enter the void if he wants more color room and form
I'll never forget his name, Willy...uhhhhhhh
5:45 I actually really appreciate that Charlie’s mom doesn’t just blatantly tell him untrue things to motivate him, just tells him pragmatically what’s likely to happen, especially since the character doesn’t know they’re in a movie where this situation is guaranteed, unlike the viewers.
Yeah that's really good. It seems like there's an unspoken requirement for parents to lie to their kids in movies just so they can be horribly disillusioned by the time they grow, everyone is so used to constantly lying to each other
Other than there being a hundred billion people in the world
Nothing wrong with a little encouragement
Right. Thats the beauty. People dont give kids straight talk anymore. Everything is dream big. Thats nice but expect the practical.
@@zachgibbons4174 yes there is. it gives the child unrealistic expiations exptaly if it is something they can't change.
So proud of Mike.
He didn't make a single *Star Trek* reference!
Jay made his favourite Simpsons reference though. Seems to be an up and coming trend.
He should have compared when the kid falls into the chocolate river to the episode where Tasha Yar dies and Riker falls into a pond of goo
This reminds me of that episode from The Next Generation called Deja Q where the character, Q, a being part of the Q Continuum is turned into a normal being after he's given the choice of being turned into whatever sort of mortal being he wants to be because of some of his actions.
During of the episode, both he and Data go to Ten Forward because the former is hungry for the first time now that he's human. He's unsure what to eat and Data tells him that he observed that humans often eats thing based on their mood. Q says he's in a very bad mood and Data answers by telling him that Deanna Troi, the ship Counselor, Troi, has a habit of consuming chocolate sundae when she's in a bad mood.
Q then proceeds to ask for ten chocolate sundaes. All of this talk about chocolate also reminds me how I ate chocolate chip cookies not long before I made this post which reminds me of that DS9 episode, Paradise where the antagonist character pulls out all sort of stupid crap out of her ass, exactly like I'm doing now.
The oompa loompas look like Star Trek aliens with that makeup !
Oh my god! It's a Christmas miracle!
And I crapped my pants!
They didn't mention the funniest scene, the sentient computer who knows where to find the chocolate bars but wont tell cause "that would be cheating"
When it asks the operator what a computer would do with a lifetime supply of chocolate It's then implied that the operator tells it to stick it up its ass lol
*types furiously* "I am now telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of Wonka bars. . . !"
I'm a big Goodies fan, but saying Tim Brooke Taylor was one of the all time best comedians is a bit ridiculous 😆
“I will ask the computer to locate the three remaining golden tickets”
“‘I won’t tell you. That would be cheating.’ I am now telling the computer that if it does tell me, I will share the reward with it”
“‘What could a computer do with a lifetime supply of chocolate’ I am now asking the computer what it CAN do with a lifetime supply of chocolate!”
Computer 🖥️: "What would a computer do with a lifetime supply chocolate?"
Computer Salesman 😠: "I'm now telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate!"
Gene Wilder did say something about the remake:
"I think it's an insult - Warner Brothers' insult, I think"
"Johnny Depp, I think, is a good actor, but I don't care for that director [Burton]. He's a talented man, but I don't care for him doing stuff like he did."
"The thing that put me off ... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much ... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him"
"It's just some people sitting around thinking, 'How can we make some more money?' Why else would you remake Willy Wonka? I don't see the point of going back and doing it all over again"
They'll need to Young Frankenstein him.
Oh cool I love how the headline just read 'JOHNNY DEPP IS AN INSULT - Gene Wilder'
He's dead.
Movies made solely for the cash in factor putrefies films and so does advertisement.
He's right. Depp could have been a great Wonka, but the direction and the tone they went with was just so god awful. Tim Burton flanderized himself and it's a shame, if it had been more like his older movies it could have been good.
The best thing about Wonka's office is that when he is reading the half contract he reads a bit then says, "etc. etc.", when he skips over the part that is cut off. It's comedic but he plays it so serious and straight that I don't think most people even notice it. It's genius.
i only realized this just now watching this video. i always thought he was just kinda abridging it as he went because he was so angry, never occurred to me that it was because half the words were missing. so goddamn brilliant
Also that he pulls the half-contract out of a half-safe is just subtle background humor not unlike a Leslie Nielsen movie.
I also like how the pendulum on the clock swings twice as fast for a half second
@@turke765 Wait, really? That's awesome!
I am glad that Mike and Jay have such genuine reverence for Gene Wilder.
As do I. What a wonderful actor who made a bunch of great films in the 70's, from the comedies with Mel Brooks ("The Producers," "Blazing Saddles," ":Young Frankenstein") to "Silver Streak" where he was the reluctant action hero and a genuine romantic lead. He was such a every-man you couldn't help but root for him.
I mean who doesn’t really. The man was a saint. May he rest In peace
He is their hometown hero and a genuinely funny guy.
@@jamesallen9325 One of my favourite facts about Young Frankenstein is that apparently the 'Igor, take the bags' scene took nearly 100 takes to shoot because no one was able to keep a straight face and the camera crew kept laughing so hard the camera was shaking.
It says a lot that he's been dead for what - 5 years? And not one nasty, dirty story about him has come out. That's pretty rare in Hollywood now.
"Little people were in short supply in Germany in 1971" is a way darker line than you probably intended.
Oh...oh no...
Oh shit haha
What?
@@KanjoosLahookvinhaakvinhookvin Because something happened a few decades earlier that led to their being almost no dwarfs in Germany.
Nazis.
I was about to comment this damnit
I love how the grandparents are bedridden because they just refuse to get out of the bed.
Staying in bed is one strategy for reducing caloric needs, which is used in famines and which was used even by students in the Great Depression.
In the novel, Charlie's father has the job of twisting the top onto toothpaste containers. They are so poor that Charlie gets one bar of chocolate each year, which he just looks at and smells for months before opening it and beginning to nibble.
And they just lay there next to each other, pissing in bed pans.
@@TheGeekAbides Well maybe if the floor wasn't so cold!
@TubasaurusRex In the book he is 96 and I think that's supposed to be the case for the movie too, they just casted someone who could move around when he needed to.
There's a Facebook group dedicated to how much of an asshole he is. Stays in bed until he has the chance to go to the factory 😂
This is one of my favorite RLM videos. It's so nice hearing Mike and Jay talk so highly about a movie and not be completely miserable from the latest garbage action movie.
I rewatch it so much.
Rich Evans farts a lot
I think you explained perfectly why i enjoy watching this video
Old movie good new movie bad
@@MonsieurBig consooooommmmmm
From Wikipedia:
In 2007, Gene Wilder said he chose not to see the film. "The thing that put me off... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him." In 2013, when Wilder was asked about the Burton adaptation, he said, "I think it's an insult. It's probably Warner Bros.' insult." He also criticized the choices that Burton made as a director, saying, "I don't care for that director. He's a talented man, but I don't care for him doing stuff like he did."
Damn, even when he's ripping them a new asshole he comes across like a nice guy.
I think Wilder in this case was wrong, Burton's adaptation was much closer to what is described in the book...
@@HAL_NOVEMILA Much closer to the book, in this case, does not make a better movie.
@@HAL_NOVEMILA the fact that it's closer to the book isn't one of its problems though. It's Burton's other choices that make it an unpleasant watch.
I liked the Burton version more. To say its horrible is unfair in my opinion. Just for people with a different taste.
Mike i's so Bizare in this episode. It's like he is happy or something,
Check out the star trek beyond episode
High on memberberries.
I think he’s at the acceptance stage with Star Trek: Picard
That tends to happen for the couple months of sun you get when you live in a tundra. I mean, Milwaukee is no Edmonton but still.
It's "Something".
This movie turned Mike into the upbeat, hopeful individual he is today.
😂😂😂
Mike TV?
Coming back to this years later to write a comment no one will see, but, I always loved the reveal of the Wonka office with only half of everything. Literally, in terms of the filmmaking, they didn't want a boring office after all of the whimsy of the rest of the factory, but I think by doing so, they stumbled upon something thematically brilliant. You see, all the rest of the factory was intended to be seen by the guests. It could be easy to say that all of the wild sights were just a staged experience to thrill the kids on their tour, and that none of it actually reflected the work of Wonka's business. His office, however, was never a part of the tour. No one was supposed to see it. So, to find it's in just as unusual a state as the rest of the factory legitimizes that there's a madness to Wonka's method. He isn't just some businessman with a quirky sense of showmanship, but is actually something of a mad genius whose works are born from methods totally unorthodox to the regular world. That office proves the "magic" of Willy Wonka and his factory is real.
neat
Or, like with that Sam Hyde show, it proves that his scheme had multiple layers of fakery and cleverly constructed illusions.
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The slow decline of Mike's sanity and steady increase of Jay's beard is definitely connected.
this is why the seating position has been reversed... to the victor go the spoils!
Tell Jay if he wants color room and form he should watch Enter the void
It's just The Lighthouse.
Gene Wilder didn't see it, saying, "The thing that put me off... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him.
Good call, Gene.
dang he roasted Johnny in such a nice way there
Bumping this, hoping Mike sees it. It'll be like a little piece of candy for his sould
He saw the movie later.
@WR Smithers 'even a broken clock is right twice a day' is very unfair. He is very good in a bunch of movies and whatever he is, he is most certainly not 'just a hack'.
Just to be clear, I have no love for the man, but look at his earlier filmography, he wasn't beloved 15 years ago for nothing.
I am genuinely baffled at how many people seem to unironically like that movie.
I didn't realize that hearing Mike sing I've Got a Golden Ticket was exactly what my soul needed today.
@@Bobo411 He's sang a couple times before! in the wormania BotW episode, and there's a half in the bag where he sings some AC/DC I think.
@@arlarius4119 and in the great western ore musical
Mike is my favorite, though I love all the RLM guys.
His eyes... he is intelligent but his eyes have the same worldly sadness I carry.
Empaths often lose themselves feeling everyone else. My dad drank himself to death because it turned into something he was afraid of and refused to embrace.
Seeing Mike sing cheers me up but I know the gentle melancholy is always there, and trying to find the best in an awful world.
Maybe that was too deep, but depression is real and gets worse because we never address what's truly going in internally nor externally.
I really like the scene with Charlie's mom when she's at work. She's where he gets his honesty from. She doesn't sugar coat things, she tells him how you could have a bag full of money and the odds of finding a ticket are still so far against you. And in a house of 6 (mom, charlie, 4 elderly) she seems to be the only provider, plus maybe charlie on his paper route. So she knows poverty and just wants Charlie to be more of a realist who spends his earnings on his own well being rather than essentially gambling and remaining broke. The song she sings after he leaves is saying that despite her words to him she really does love her son and thinks he deserves the best in life and he really should hold on to his dreams. To grandpa Joe's devil on the shoulder, she is the angel on Charlie's other shoulder. The last thing before Charlie runs off, she tells him things will change when he least expects it. I'm sure that after getting yelled at (or next to) by Wonka the last thing Charlie expected was his quick turn around into kindness and giving over the factory. Mom did good raising him.
What I'm getting from this is that Charlie's mom is passive good whilst Grandpa is active evil.
@@melingdiab6613es, I got the very same thing. Still I love the characters.Well okay veruca aside 😂
How dare you redeem this scene for me. Now I have to watch the whole thing next time I watch the movie!
Thanks for defending Charlie's mom and her song. It is indeed a lull part in the film that i found boring as a kid but going back to it as an adult I was able to appreciate the emotions and parental love in its lyrics. This is a film that in a lot of ways can be appreciated more as an adult.
@@dfire828We call those, "timeless."
can't believe mike had a rich evans moment trying to describe whoppers
Folding chable
Hey 8zu love your shit
@Nicholas Brown I nope, I mean I know
PUSH THE WHOPPER BUTTON!!
At this point I'm convinced Rich Evans may have dyslexia.
There's three basic styles of conflict in literature: hero vs villain, hero vs environment, and hero vs self. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is very much a hero vs environment story, because our protagonist has everything they need to reach the end and simply must resist being changed by their environment. In a sense, that means the _setting_ is the antagonist.
The Wonka factory tour is a trap designed to catch the corruptible, and the tour is Charlie's opponent, not Willy Wonka. Grandpa Joe does indeed personify cynicism, showing us what a Charlie who fails the test might eventually become, but that doesn't make Joe a villain. He just ends up being one of the many obstacles in the environment. The other kids all fail at least in part due to their parents' enabling behavior, and so Joe is the final obstacle for Charlie in the same way that the other kids' adult mentors had failed them. Charlie remaining true to himself is not just a victory against the factory tour, but the environment in which he was raised and the poor circumstances of his birth. It's one of those classic rags to riches American dream style stories, which makes it no small wonder that a modern remake was doomed to fail.
What about Man Vs. Cyborg? Or all Humans Vs all Animals?
Bam. Nailed it.
Only the pure soul who doesn't cave to environment, no matter the pressure, gets the golden ticket.
The real golden ticket is unconditional love and loving yourself, family, and being good (yup, actual morality) no matter your circumstances.
I miss these notions.
We often wonder why depression levels have skyrocketed in this country...
Well, when you're too afraid to put morality in tales anymore, you're making hollow, empty tales.
@@bennysizzle79 Well if we want to talk about the significance of the ticket, it's the literal 'ticket to success'. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory preaches karma; that success comes to those that are honest and not easily swayed by those around them, and that opportunities to rise above your social class are found by exemplifying these traits. It relies on a certain optimism, where the better of a person you are, the better the odds of a good thing coming your way, rather than the traditional 'patience and honest work' of the classic American dream.
For me, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a demonstrable turning point to the end of an era, where getting rich quick and golden opportunities begin to overpower the concept of working your way to the top. In other words, it's a story about the American dream that also heralds the death of the American dream.
On the surface the story is about overcoming circumstance, but when you really break it down, overcoming difficulty and a good work ethic have little to nothing to do with Charlie's golden ticket: It's about luck, knowing the right people, and if you can't inherit wealth from your parents, find a new 'parent' to inherit from, because the only way to ride the elevator past that glass ceiling is if business daddy invites you on.
Dude, I really like those analyses of yours. To the point, my friend.
@@Coupletdudiable Gotta pretend that degree was good for somethin', right?
Seeing Mike talk about how much this movie means to him was super sweet. He clearly really loves it.
He loves it so much he did not mention star trek once!
Mike loves Willy Wonka and he loves Gremlins. He has a heart you know. Check out the Gremlins commentary
That was something of a surprise, wasn't it? Not that he liked the movie but loved it enough that he'd spout lines strait from the movie. You could almost see him as a child asking about all the candy "names" shown in the opening credits.
Though I do feel sorry that Gene Wilder was subjected to the remake, I can't imagine what it must have felt like to see a much beloved cult classic that he was personally part of remade into something so very upsetting.
@@DracoMetallium Star Trek TNG is Mike's mental safe place. When he thinks about it, Picard goes "slide!". You know he's happy about the present when he never mentions TNG.
35:55 I don't know why, but Mike's delivery of "Grabs her fucking face" makes me crack up every time.
I was waiting for it to escalate the way he delivered the line.
Like “grabs her fucking face and SLAMS HER INTO THE GROUND”. Or something to that effect.
I came back just to watch that again
35:56
I love how annoyed Mike gets with Varuca.
Just so perfect 💀
Mrs Wonka took half of their belongings in the divorce. Literally.
Oh my God. Please tell me this is canon, because this makes so much perfect sense.
Karen Wonka
@@bretsheeley4034 it is not lol
Actually they ran out of movie budget, they could only afford half-sets at the end.
according to IMDB it's because the people making it couldn't bear to have such a magical fantastical set for the whole factory and then just have a normal office at the end, so they cut everything in half.
I still remember in Phantom Menace review, when Plinkett mentions "getting the girl at the end" he shows a clip of Willy Wonka hugging Charlie 😂
The Willy Wonka re:View! It took 12 years to make!
Wonka saying "stop, don't, comeback" with the TV scene is the best thing ever
RIP King Gene
“Help. Police. Murder.”
Is a close second.
I like when Gloop is getting sucked up the tube and Wonka is eating popcorn saying “The suspense is terrible!... I hope it’ll last.”
I quote that on a nearly daily basis
@@weldin
Quoting,
The Importance of being Earnest there.
The subtle shot at 38:55 of Wonka pulling a hair out of Mike TV's head and the cut to the adult actor and slow zoom on his bald head made me burst out laughing. The editing in RLMs videos is just as witty as the commentary at times and here it's just thrown into the background while Mike makes a larger point about the movie.
Thanks, i totally missed that lol
I was baffled until the joke sank in a few seconds later because ya it's completely unrelated to the conversation at hand
AHAHAHAHAHA
lmaoo thats so meann
And this is why you WATCH their videos, instead of just listening. I never noticed that one.
When Jay says "Sure, sure, sure" to Mike in agreement, I get a strong elderly men on their porch reminiscing vibe.
Honestly that’s pretty much the whole vibe I get from re: views, and i love it.
@@patrickglaser1560 on the nose
I was drunk when I wrote this, and I'm still fucking drunk God Bless America
I love the scene where the Gloops are interviewed and the father eats a microphone.
I now legitimately want to see RedLetterMedia make a children's movie
They already did Space Cop
@@briansmithwins oof
I would support this movie, but only if all of the jokes come directly from “101 Wacky Kid Jokes”
I'd be interested if they actually tried to make it legitimately instead of an extended kid themed half in the bag sketch.
Witches 2: Mike Boogaloo
Charlie's mother tries to spare his feelings in case he doesn't find a golden ticket but she still encourgaes him before he leaves the laundry.
- Mother: "Charlie, you'll get your chance. One day things will change."
- Charlie: "When? When will they change?"
- Mother: "Probably when you least expect it."
This is exactly what happens to Charlie in the movie. Things change when he least expects it.
Cheer up Charlie is my favorite song in the movie.
It's about not giving up hope.
Just like the song, I skipped your comment after seeing Charlie's Mother.
I love how in the end you get a sense that Wonka has been deeply hurt in life. He's hilariously cynical throughout the movie, but had a shred of hope for Charlie. Then tries to move on as yet another hope is dashed, keeps it polite until they keep after him. Then he just loses it. Gene Wilder is amazing.
That's a wonderful analysis.
Gene Wilder was amazing at freaking out in any movie, it's clear he has always had some input into his character, or chose characters to play that fit his style. The freak outs are always so earned, it's a boiling point, taken out of context I realize that some of them don't seem as realistic or natural as in the context of what he's done with a character up to that point.
He's one of the best by far, it's hard for me to think of an actor who can have so many perfect inflections in his voice and little eye movements that encapsulate a feeling so well. He had this grounded in reality but animated way about him, it's hard to take your eyes off anything he's doing. It also payed off that he was so nice because he had amazing supporting roles that elevated other performances in movies, famously with Richard Prior.
"So shines a good deed, in a weary world."
I disagree, I always thought the blow up was Wonka’s final test to see if Charlie was truly good, or if he would cave in for the money from Slugworth just out of spite. You can see him buried in his work as they approach him as if yelling at them is the last thing he wants to do. Wonka knows Charlie already learned his lesson for taking the lifting drink when he mentions they bumped into the ceiling, having a near death experience in the process. The only way to see if Charlie was truly good and worthy was if he would actually accept his wrongdoing and think for himself, rather than follow along with whatever Grandpa Joe said. All those elements make the specific part where Charlie hands the gobbstopper back over so important. Wonka’s finally found the correct child to take over for him.
Also worth noting that after it was all revealed to be a charade, Wonka begs Charlie to forgive him and says it was all a test to see if he truly was good. Damn, this is a good movie.
What I still love is that this interpretation makes complete sense, but you can also buy it as a performance, which it obviously also is. You never know where Wonka's coming from until the end when he goes out of "character."
I really don't think it came down to the fizzy lifting drinks though. I think Wonka kind of had Charlie in mind from the beginning and the temptation customized for him wasn't actually intended to eliminate him (it would have been a tube to nowhere rather than a grisly metal fan). The Gobstopper was the real test and as a morality/fairy tale the tour through the factory was a formality. He needed Charlie to think the drinks were the sticking point though.
I always thought it was funny that the main character in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is Charlie and the main character in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka.
@De Profundis Please don't give him or Tim Burton any ideas.
De Profundis humor like yours is why I love this channel’s community so much lol
Some time in the future "Charlie and Willy Wonka" will be about the chocolate factory.
I always remembered having the opinion that Gene Wilder was the better actor, but those were both in my top 10 or so greatest performances of all time
of course i was like 8-12 somewhat so i couldn't see like actual great movies but
Which makes it odd that Roald Dahl complained that 1971's movie "put too much focus on Willy Wonka"
I feel like Charlie's mom is just preparing him for the worst
I mean, look at where their family is now
No doubt she had dreams as a kid.
I also thought the way she said that he'll be just like everyone else who couldn't get it was sweet. Made him feel less alone for that moment.
Her character is the typical mum from the north of England.
you could also say that it's the movie telling kids "there will be people who won't believe in your dreams, but sometimes they just don't want you to be disappointed"
Yeah. I always saw it as her just wanting to temper in Charlie's expectations, seeing the life they have. It can come off as mean, but she just doesn't want him to feel the immense disappointment, and heartbreak that telling a kid they can do anything, or chase your dreams, can cause when reality hits them.
Luckily Charlie got his wish, but that doesn't happen often in real life.
Also helps to hammer in the cynicism of an adult, who has seen their dreams come and go, juxtapose to the head in the clouds lifestyle children lead.
Agreed! I feel like it was a good perspective to have in the movie, given the family and their situation in life.
This is the happiest I’ve seen Mike since the Rocketeer
He’s a old man remembering his favorite childhood films,you usually feel happy when looking back on your childhood films.
Not mention both films are family movies, and good family movies make you feel like a child agin
Mike and I had the same childhood
Because both are really fun films
Oh no, Mike is so broken he's willingly digging through childhood memories and nostalgia for some good feelings and cheer.
Rich needs to come back and give purpose to him again.
I don't know if Rich is the right person to bring joy and happiness
@@KyleBaran90 non believer
You can literally hear Mike's voice crack during the Plinkett ST:P review when he begins the old man and the train set analogy. Funny is funny, but destroying a series that was ultimately about hope is devastating, and Mike fucking knows that.
@@KyleBaran90 What are you talking about? It's a known fact his laugh alone can cure cancer
I hope he keeps doing re;views of other classics he loves. I know things like Empire or Raiders of the Lost Ark have been talked about to death but Mike just has a special way of talking about movies he loves.
When they cut to Danny Elfman with “it’s Tim Burton’s fault” on the screen while talking about oompa loompa songs I howled
Charlie: "Why doesn't she listen to Mr. Wonka, Uncle Joe?"
Uncle Joe: "Because she's a nitwit, Charlie."
The Literal next scene they both steal fizzy lifting drinks
30:28 According to Mel Stuart's book "Pure Imagination: The Making of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", the reason everything in Willy's office is cut in half was because Stuart couldn't bear the thought of, after having gone through all the whimsical and creative rooms in the factory, ending the movie in an ordinary office. Everything was cut in half to make the room look more Wonka-esque.
I just assumed part of Wonka's backstory included a divorce
I think it's a fine way of saying that even in the most serious setting within the entire factory, Wonka still "isn't all there."
@Kuonji pffff lol
@@basicfacekick Yeah it really shows Wonka's integrity in a weird way. Either he is completely committed to this role of an eccentric weirdo, or he sincerely sees the world completely differently to most other people.
@@Kuonji I love the divorce explanation. It also fits with Wonka making everyone sign these impossible-to-read contracts. He's making sure nobody takes him to the cleaners ever again.
Grandpa Joe is less of a villain, and more of a dark shadow of Charlie's future I think. He's the example of the selfish person that Charlie must be tempted to be because of how poor he is.
He’s also the representation of ones irresponsible side, but he can also have good intentions..for example wanting charlie to have some fun given that his life is spent working to support his poor family.
But he's clearly faking being disabled.
I grew up in rural Oklahoma. Being poor and miserable is a vicious cycle. Glad I moved away but I miss the country living from time to time.
I think you’re thinking about it too much.
Agreed. He's still a twat though. Still a plausible villain.
I have not seen this old version yet, so I am stunned: THIS IS MUNICH! My home town Munich, capital of Bavaria in Southern Germany. And it is shown as it used to be after WW II until the 80ies, much poorer then today, but a happier, comfy place. The first scene is at the Stachus close to Maxburg, with the Lady's Cathedral (Frauenkirche) in the background. I think the street scenes were shot in the Au, back then a working class quarter with rather outdated, not-in-a-good-way-vintage houses. The newspaper man sells, amongst other things, Merian books, which were the no.1 travel magazines for people to dream of nice places. The little boy drinks Paulaner beer, with the old label, that was unfortunately changed when the big six breweries of Munich all tried to update and now kinda look the same. Mr. Wonkas place (exterior) itself was a former gasoline factory that ceased to exist, but it once stood in Moosach, North-Western Munich, where I am living. I knew this already thanks to some local history publications.
Just started to watch. That's awesome! Ich komme zwar nicht aus München, wohne aber seit zehn Jahren hier.
Habe den alten Wonka Film auch noch nicht gesehen, jetzt mach ich's auf jeden Fall 😉
Liebe Grüße
This old version? There's only one version of this movie.
@@Largentina. I too like to pretend the Tim Burton remake doesn't exist.
I'm so sorry for what America has done to you post-WWII.
@@kourii Ah, another man of culture.
I'm with you Jay, Oingo Boingo is an incredible band. Quintessential 80s. Elfman is embarrassed about his Boingo years but its amazing music.
He never actually said he was embarrassed, that was just a clickbait misrepresentation. He talks a lot about the early Boingo years now, other than a general self embarassment that anyone has looking back at themselves decades ago
@@OingoBoingoTapes no he definitely said it. I dont even know what clickbait you're talking about lol
No idea why Danny (or Rick, for that matter) would be embarrassed about Oingo Boingo, because they were a great experimental band. Moreover, if anyone would like to see a movie made by the Elfman brothers that features the band's entire original lineup, check out _Forbidden Zone._ It's a wild ride.
Oingo Boingo is legit one of my all time favorites, so fun & so unique
I can definitely see where Jay was coming from. It wouldn't have been a *perfect* fit, but I can see the odd synthesizer and drums, mixed with the semi-psychadelic vocals of their music working for the Oompah Loompahs. That is, if Elfman had been granted full control over the music and Burton didn't decide to... Burton-ify it.
“Tim Burton couldn’t resist… being Tim Burton” - Mike Stoklasta, 2020
*Stoklasa
Make sure you do the hand gestures when you quote that!
Sums up perfectly,everything that´s wrong with the remake.
Wow, your stupid comment got more than 100 likes. Ok
I think Tim Burton is one of three things standing between Tim Burton and making great movies
Hearing Mike just talk about a pleasant childhood movie of both his and mine is a unique, and comfy experience.
yeah instead of the usual cynical old man grumpy style he genuinely loves this movie
Shit has gone wonky in the world.
This step back is a reminder of our youthful dreams and hopes.
Who deserves a golden ticket these days?
Not many.
Its a well planned marketing more for Mike to be seen in a homely light
Every time Charlie unwraps that bar it looks like the tickets not there and somehow it manages to be a surprise every time! I love it.
I love how grounded the first movie was. It had a very old world feel to it, like the people who worked on it actually lived through poverty and could thus portray it with realism.
We have empathy for the Charlie, because he is portrayed realistically, honestly both in the factory and in the real world.
I had empathy for no one in the remake, everything was so fake that I couldn't get into that headspace. I didn't notice it, but my brain did.
A lot of it also was due to the budget. They really managed to make a set look like a fantastical but practical factory, unlike the book which was far more out there.
I really like Charlie in this version because of that. Like he's got a great heart but you get the sense he's a little jaded, but not unrealistically so. He's a good kid but he knows how much it sucks being poor, and doesn't really believe he ever had a real chance to get a ticket because he knows good things don't usually happen, especially not for him.
He only got a ticket because he found a little extra money and wanted some chocolate to feel better. He wasn't looking for it. Which makes it feel all the better that sometimes good things can just happen out of nowhere.
The problem with Tim Burton is simple: he's forgotten that form over function makes for dull movies. weirdness to be weird doesn't make a movie interesting; you need something real behind it.
Yeah like I know they get compared a lot as being equally insufferable to certain people but I think that's the reason why people are more receptive to Wes Anderson film's than most Burton film's in the last twenty years. Anderson has an equally aggressive style but within that style there is still usually an emotional hook of characters with compelling arcs. Like Ralph Fiennes while in a dollhouse still feels like a living, likable person and a lot of effort was put into his personal story and not just the models of the Grand Budapest hotel. Burton on the other hand doesn't always put equal effort into style and substance which defines his best film's like Ed Wood or Big Fish.
Hint, Tim Burton has always put form ahead of function. The only times his movies have ever been good are when individual performances shine through (PeeWee, Beetlejuice) or when the characters perfectly line up with Burton’s tone (Nightmare, Batman). Even at his best, Burton can barely get 30-40min of compelling screentime smashed inbetween piles of shit.
A special effect is a tool, a means of telling a story. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing.
@@Jaxck77 while I think he's made some good and occasionally even great movies and think you're a bit harsh there I do agree that Burton isn't the greater storyteller. Honestly I've never understood why he's put on so many great directors lists when his filmography pretty damn hit or miss and honestly has more bad remakes at this point than great film's.
I agree. Tim Burton never lets you forget that he's directing and it's usually to the detriment of everything else.
"You are watching a Tim Burton™ movie and don't you ever forget it."
Before the virus I had a weekly piano gig at a hotel and there wasn’t one week where I didn’t play Pure Imagination. People would be so pumped and exclaim “Willy Wonka!” It’s one of the most beautiful songs to me. Truly timeless. I love how the line “living there, you’ll be free, if you truly wish to be,” feels as you watch Gene Wilder say it. You really see the longing in him to truly believe in that himself. You can see his lack of hope when he interacts with those terrible kids, and that’s what’s so amazing about Charlie; he reignites Wonka’s hope.
As an adult, it's a great song. As a kid, I saw the movie on BetaMax and... the song was sappy and made me wish our VCR had a remote control.
A wholesome content in the Red Letter Media comments section? HERETIC!
The cut of Mike TV having his hair plucked to him being bald as an adult was so subtle and brilliant and hilarious and I love you guys... 🙂
😂 I'm so glad someone else noticed
38:56 for those who missed it.
Bless your soul Marco.
Was looking for this. Excellent editing humor xD
He really needed that hair!
Very interesting that you say everyone skips Charlie's moms song. I watched this movie with my dad as a kid and this was his absolute favorite song in the whole movie. I would want to skip it but he would say no and sing along. Grateful for those experiences, because after I lost him, this song also became my favorite in the movie, and his spirit still sings me that song to mine every so often. ❤ Miss ya dad. He would have really enjoyed hearing you guys talk about this movie.
RiP to your Dad.
I know people hate Cheer Up Charlie but I'm certainly not one of them. I think it's a sweet song and I even get misty eyed cuz it makes me think of my mum.
Honestly, it's really nice that your dad shared that with u. Sorry he's gone, hope ur well
Willy Wonka: Time is a precious thing. Never waste it.
Me on RUclips: Rich Evans Laughing for 100 hours.
It's not a waste if you get something out of it... But 100 hours of THAT?! Are you OK?!
@@TheTrueCaptainAwesome every hour is precious.
You disgust me. There’s a superior 500 hour version
@@patrickglaser1560 It's the key to all of this
A RLM video without Rich Evans is a day without sunshine.
Danny Elfman sums up Hollywood:
"...uhhh, I dunno about that, but I'll do it!"
Gotta check the bank balance afterwards.
Gene Wilder singing “Pure Imagination” will never fail at instantly improving my state of mind.
Interesting tidbit: the buttercup he ate at the end was made of wax.
That is very interesting. Thank you for telling me.
24:58
“That money was for tobacco.”
“I told you, Charlie, I’ve given it up.”
I love that so much, because I’m sure he didn’t really wanna quit smoking as much as he wanted to make Charlie happy.
"the villain is grandpa Joe," - and here I was thinking I couldn't possibly love this channel more
Jack Albertson played the best Hitler outside of a WW2 movie
r/grandpajoehate
I've been saying this for over 10 years. I can't say I originally thought of it though. There is/was a Cracked article years back that pointed this out.
This is why Mike thinks it’s hilarious when violence befalls old people in movies: he was taught at an early age that old people are villains
It saddens me that that's correct. In the book it is definitely not the case.
Someone had a good write-up of this concept online years back. The family can't eat but yet Joe is stashing secret money that he uses to buy Charlie a Wonka bar. When Charlie finally finds the golden ticket, Joe pops out of bed, proving that he's able-bodied and could have been working to support the family all along, singing "I'VE got a golden ticket" when it should be Charlie's, etc.
"Little people were in short supply in 1971 in Germany." It's almost like somebody tried to get rid of them or something.
Someone had to climb in and put fuses into the bombs..
@@Warp10x joke/head look up "Aktion T4"
@@AdamMPick That was my thought when they said it. Of course there weren't many adult dwarfs in ~1971 :/
oof
"I think they just fed [Augustus Gloop] his lines."
Missed opportunity to cut to him eating the microphone
I think it was his father that ate the microphone, but I can't believe that line skipped past me.
I loved that after Wonka plucks one of Mike Teavee's hairs though we cut to the actor who's now bald
slidewhistle
good catch!@@KairuHakubi
He doesn't eat the microphone, his father does.
I love charlies mothers song, its beautiful - its just her trying to lower his son's expectations so he doesnt becum too broken hearted by the world like she has been. some parents do that one way or another, and its just a great soft conflict that charlie faces and makes him finding the golden ticket more of an amazing moment.
I remember telling my step mother I wanted to be an astronaut, and was very serious about it around 11 or 12. She just looked me dead in the eyes and said "give up on your dreams now, it's easier that way" and went back to what she was doing. Harsh, but understandable later in life.
becum
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@@LegionEmu396 well, I think it's just wrong, saying stuff like that to the kids. Everyone should have a dream, a goal, something. What's the point of living if you don't?
@@GonzoInside agreed, without a dream or a purpose, youre just a person whose not even living waiting to die.
"Johnny Depp's awful and embarrassing and sickening self-indulgant disgusting disturbing vain pointless and awful performance" lmao
They're never going to get Depp on Best of the Worst with that attitude.
Herbert West he’d be competing with rich evans to see who can mispronounce the most words
koniginator Like those stupid cologne commercials he’s doing today.
I mean... He's not WRONG.
Perfect
I always assumed the candy man scene wasn't literal; it was Charlie's interpretation of what it must be like in the store (since later on we see that the candy man is quite no nonsense when it comes to payment)
Interesting thought. We do only see the character twice, and it's those two contrasting personas.
Cashier: What?
Charlie: Aren't you gonna sing for me?
Cashier: ....what are you talking about?
I think you're actually right!
Yeah, it's an exaggerated and visually interesting way of showing how Charlie perceives all the fun and things and goods that he's missing out on because he's poor.
Huh, good point.
That's a good fucking read dude
God gene absolutely made this film. The comment of how all his lines are flirting the line of sincere or sarcastic is ace. One of my all time favorite movies from my childhood. Great music. Great lines. Incredible set pieces. Great prequel to snowpiercer.
I don’t know. I feel like the change in directors was a bad choice for the wonka franchise as snowpiercer’s tone was much darker. If they had stuck with the same director, the arc would have been more complete.
That my friend is a great reference. Comment on the day!
It's so neat hearing Mike and Jay talk about how they saw this movie as little kids, because I also saw it as a little kid and I'm half their age. It really is a classic.
Ironically, Burton followed the novel more faithfully than the original. However, his version is a perfect example of why writing an adaptation, which captures the essence of the source material while at the same time diverging from it, is an art. Wilder is the only Willy Wonka I acknowledge.
Depp's Willy Wonka in Burton's movie is nothing like the book Wonka.
@@help4343 True but many of the scenes like showing him go to the island of the Oompa Loompas, showing what the kids look like after their ordeal in the factory, and even the introduction of the kids are lifted straight from the book.
Burton's film is an odd one because it follows the book more closely - except for Wonka. Depp didn't want to be too close to Wilder's iconic performance so he overcompensated by doing the Michael Jackson thing.
I feel like Burton's film with Wilder as Wonka would be a pretty great movie.
MrFlathands Gene Wilder in Burton’s remake would be a bright spot in an otherwise overproduced, dated, and emotionally flat movie.
As a fan of the book over the 71 film I know I would enjoy the Burton/Wilder combo more than I currently like either film separately. Neither film works as well as the book for me for very different reasons. I've never liked how the 71 film has Charlie act just as badly as the other kids with the Fizzy Lifting and yet he gets away with it as the other kids are punished for equal violations. Then again, 05 does such a weird thing with Wonka and the Oompa Loompas. I guess I just see both films as flawed and missing the spirit of the book.
It's funny. This film is practically unknown in Germany. This film version is soo german. German filmsets, german extras, filmed in Munich.
It's unknown in Finland too. I think I first heard about it in the 2000's. I still haven't seen it.
Yes, the Film never was on TV.
If I recall correctly the german restaurant where Augustus Gloop's family is interviewed at was an actual one, and the extras in the background are crew members having their lunch.
I can just imagine a terribly-dubbed German version of Willy Wonka. 😂
Really? It's well known in Holland
I love the "crooked director/producer" voice they occasionally do, often with an imaginary cigarette in hand.
I always imagine a cigar
Red shoes.
Don't forget the red shoes.
@@thebastardpoetry yeah, it's gotta be a cigar. It fits the evil boss stereotype.
I read the witches when i was about 12. It was so disturbing, and the book was dotted with pictures that stand out, like the witches being very uncomfortable trying to squeeze their square feet into heels, and scratching their bald heads because their wigs were itchy. Nobody wrote for kids like Roal Dhal
Roald Dahl is a classic writer.
My first grade teacher read it to us, which is apparently more fucked up than the movie, but somehow I only remember the movie.
@@Charles12 the book is definitely more disturbing. There is a bit in the book about a child who disappeared when he had in fact been turned into a porpoise by one of the witches. He said goodbye to his family or friend, can't remember which, and swam off, never to be seen again. I just remember being really upset by that.
28:20 Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how the wrapper that Veruca throws curls neatly around Wonka and doesn't even touch him, emphasizing just how unfazed he is by her outburst
BabinSquared I like your interpretation, that makes perfect sense.
I noticed that as well and have always loved how unintentional it was.
Hot damn that is an amazing detail
@@justindenney-hall5875 It's not an interpretation, it's called story telling
I can never get over that shot, it's so perfect. I wonder if she managed that on her first take.
I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Wilder in Stamford, CT, and he was one of the most down to earth, sweetest people I've ever met.
Nice :)
Nice.!
Surprisingly down to earth and VERY funny.
The only part in the tim burton version that made me laugh and I still remember is when it shows grandpa joe from 30 years ago working at the factory and it fast forward to present and he looked exactly the same.
The one part that stuck with me was that the animatronic doll burn ward was a fairly new addition to the factory, or something like that.
The part where Wonka speaks to Veruca Salt while imitating her father makes me laugh - "I'm sorry dear, Mr Wonka is being most unreasonable" (or something to that effect)
There is a brilliant, transcendent line from this movie that I sincerely quote every time I face a setback in life that feels so bad I want to cry:
"I bet the gold makes the chocolate taste terrible"
Jay's right. This is like Apocalypse Now.
Journey by boat into a surreal world of excess, gradually losing members along the way, killing animals onscreen, thrilling airborne sequence, very psychedelic.
This is the end. Gluttonous friend.
This is the end. My chocolate friend, the end.
It would have been great if Wonka let off a purple flare in the middle of the boat ride.
Well it was 1971.
Which animal was killed in the film? I don't remember that.
Whipped cream!
there's something really powerful about this, Ghostbusters, Star Wars and Home Alone all kind of being slapped together, seat of your pants films that absolutely should not have worked on paper and they all became classics because the people involved all had to be as creative as they possibly could be
After reading the script for Home Alone John Williams agreed to do the score
That's what happens when you have limitations; If you have to work around something, or invent something to make it work, then you get creative and experiment a little which tends to have good results at least most of the time. It makes you take more time to think things through and really collaborate and come up with some more ideas, some of which end up being better or working better during filming than the original plan or idea.
Now, everyone just says "fuck it, if we can't do it we'll just throw up a green screen and CGI it", which eliminates a lot of world building consideration earlier in the process etc.
Jaws is another great example of this (quite possibly the greatest example).
And then they were all pointlessly remade by greedy studio executives and hack directors who couldn’t understand the magic of the original.
@@crystalrowan Jaws is the crowned-king of this. They made a shark movie where the shark only shows up nearly an hour and a half into a 2 hour 10 minute movie, and *EVEN THEN* only gets FOUR FUCKING MINUTES of screentime. It is the epitome of the concept of "less is more".
Mike: *compliments Gene Wilder (deservedly)*
Me: Wow, weird to hear Mike complimenting a celebrity's personality-
Mike: ...from Milwaukee Wisconsin!
Me: Ah.
To be fair Mike isn’t actually from Wisconsin, he’s a suburban Chicago cheese farmer.
RSDigitalProductions mike isnt a cheese farmer, he’s a hack fraud
@@RSDigitalProductions dick cheese farmer
RSDigitalProductions lol true, but they sure do love to talk about Wisconsin on RLM. Plus he's been a Wisconsinite for ages
4:22 “Kids will like this more than the Johnny Depp one”
I was born in 2003 and I can confirm this is true. The Johnny Depp one scared me as a kid
"Little people were in short supply in 1971 in Germany".
That was brutal if on purpose.
Prepare for the brutal outcome
I don’t get it
@@JohnSmith-hd2tl The Nazis killed any one with mental or physical defects. So there might have been some younger people with dwarfism it would limit the number since those people are rare to begin with.
@@killerbee2562 i heard the nazis killed everyone who was left handed too
pushy sniff3r whoa dude
when they play this on TV, Charlie's mom's song is cut out for time. For the longest time I didnt know about that sequence as I only had it recorded from TV.
Thanks , I didnt remember skipping the song back then but never heard it 😂
Oof
I understand why they chose this movie now.
All these folks screaming, fighting, battling for the high horse.
Who among them truly deserves the golden ticket?
I think too much sometimes, but my instincts are keen.
This video is the first time I’m learning of it. I guess I never watched anything but the TV version as well.
@@bennysizzle79 hmm, I like that idea
I like Tim Burton's style less the more of it I see. It's better in his older works, when he had that Restraint.
Tim Burton is brilliant when he is producing his own original stories like Edward Scissorhands. The problems start, when he's brought in to adapt something.
Restraint and practical effects. Its all CGI vomitoriums now.
What was Burton in a NBC then - 'Executive Director' or something?
EDIT: 'Produced and conceived by Tim Burton' apparently.
He also had understanding of contrast and general, good story telling. Those seem to be forgotten somewhere along the way.
The problem his style runs into, is when he started it was a unique aesthetic, mixing dark & gothic with this childlike sensibility; it was a dark, children's fairytale. Though because it was so influential, it was unashamedly imitated to the point it now seems parodic or pastiche, especially when Burton uses his own style!
That art direction adds minimal narrative depth and mostly works to create the Burton mood. Unfortunately, when you know the style of sets and props are not solid physical works, but rather all digital artifice, that style is robbed of any secondary appreciation for the imaginative craft that could have gone into it.
4:40 - I love how Jay just casually throws in a Simpsons reference from a single episode from 1997 and we all know exactly what he's talking about.
Much appreciate Jay's love for Oingo Boingo.
There are some oingo boingo deep cuts that are honestly great early 80s wacky post punk.
Tim Burton: "I'm going to make a Willy Wonka remake!!!"
Gene Wilder: "No. . . Stop. . . Don't. . ."
I tried to stop him, your Honour.
"Help...police....murder...."
Jay’s cosplaying as Tim Roth in Pulp Fiction
Nice
Wow, that's on point.
Honeybunny
@Danny Dolan ‘garçon’ means boy.
My oldest son is 4. Since age 2, he has loved this film and Wizard of Oz. So, in my experience, Jay was exactly right.
"We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams; --
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems."
-- From "Ode," by Arthur O'Shaughnessy.
Always a pleasure!
That's a really good poem when you think about how the people who start trends or make advancements in the world tend to be outcasts or those who are isolated because they don't "fit-in".
*IT MEANS SHUT UP!*
Apparently Gene Wilder did see the remake. Here’s what he said: “I think it’s an insult. Johnny Depp, I think, is a good actor, but I don’t care for that director [Tim Burton]. He’s a talented man, but I don’t care for him doing stuff like he did.’”
when did he say this?
@@zinnydin2345 Speaking in 2013, Wilder was blunt when asked for his opinion of the movie remake.
"I think it's an insult - Warner Brothers' insult, I think," he said.
"Johnny Depp, I think, is a good actor, but I don't care for that director [Burton]. He's a talented man, but I don't care for him doing stuff like he did."
Depp's performance in the film proved divisive, with many viewers preferring Wilder's sly, impish take on Wonka to Depp's rather more cartoonish interpretation.
In a 2007 interview, Wilder admitted he couldn't bring himself to see the film.
"The thing that put me off ... I like Johnny Depp, I like him, as an actor I like him very much ... but when I saw little pieces in the promotion of what he was doing, I said I don't want to see the film, because I don't want to be disappointed in him," he said.
Even before the film's release, Wilder had dismissed the entire idea as a money-making exercise.
"It's just some people sitting around thinking, 'How can we make some more money?' Why else would you remake Willy Wonka? I don't see the point of going back and doing it all over again," he said before the film hit cinemas. While that may not have been the intention, it was certainly the result: Burton's remake grossed almost half a billion dollars worldwid
Yea, they have a screenshot of an article about it in the video
edit: it's at 45:37
@@cactusmalone I can think of one. I'm quite fond of the movie version of Sweeney Todd.
@@MistaTwigz That film is absolutely dreadful. Tryhard hair and makeup, horrible bland cinematography and washed out colours, and two lead actors who can't sing and show no emotion throughout. If you want to see what Sweeney Todd is supposed to be then watch the filmed Broadway show from 1980 with George Hearne and Angela Lansbury. The Tim Burton version misses the mark entirely.
"We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world forever, it seems.
With wonderful deathless ditties
And out of a fabulous story
We build up the world's great cities,
We fashion an empire's glory:
One man with a dream, at pleasure,
Shall go forth and conquer a crown;
And three with a new song's measure
Can trample an empire down.
We, in the ages lying
In the buried past of the earth,
Built Nineveh with our sighing,
And Babel itself with our mirth;
And o'erthrew them with prophesying
To the old of the new world's worth;
For each age is a dream that is dying,
Or one that is coming to birth."
~ Arthur O'Shaughnessy, 'Ode' ~
Many of Wonka's poetic quotes are real poetry. When Wonka is singing while on the mixing bowl-bicycle (right before the candy explodes in Mike Teevee's mouth), he's singing lines from Shakespeare's As You Like It.
I thought it sounded familiar when I rewatched it
'Up the airy mountain, Down the rushy glen, We daren't go a-hunting. For fear of little men.' The poetry, quotes and references in this movie are all pitch perfect. They washed over me as a child, but fired my love of literature as I grew up. Quite a feat for a movie that has one of it's messages being TV rots the brain!
Oh, thank you for this. I always thought it was "deathless titties".
@@scottreed7312 Changes the poem a bit, doesn't it?
what a great poem too
Probably one of my favorite re:views. Just Jay and Mike discussing something they like providing great anecdotes about it.
the guy outside the wonka factory is, i believe, a knife sharpener. that's a thing in germany. businesses will drive through your neighborhood offering knife sharpening services
They used to do it here in America too.
And then take the knives with them?!
"Don't be caught unprepared for the next Night of the Long Knives!"
In México too, you can see it in action in a scene from "Roma"...
A gent used to roll up outside my house upto around the late 70s, early 80s calling out his trade for knife and scissor sharpening. I was but a wee youngen then but I remember the scene well.
I'm very upset Rich Evans wasn't in this episode to tell us what it felt like to fall in the chocolate river and get stuck in the tube
too soon.
My Dad would always make up lyrics to Charlie's Mom's song. Main line was "piss off, Charlie"
gay
TF2
"get a job, Charlie"
Her song is a cocaine reference: "Cheer up charlie"
seeing max box in all of my favorite channels comments mea me think hes not real and is just really my mental statment of myself if i was popular
I really do love this movie. I watched it so many times growing up. When they talked about a villain I realized it wasn't a person but just greed. The greed over the golden tickets or the kids getting punished for taking more than they should. In the end, charlie chooses not to be greedy and gives the everlasting gobstopper back and wins. A good story that teaches a moral lesson.
The story of showing your new business partner various ways of killing him in consequence-free industrial accidents.
And then taking him on an elevator that takes you up into the sky while finding amusement in his fear that he's going to get crushed by the ceiling. In an original deleted scene, right after they blow through the factory roof, Willy Wonka turns to Charlie and says "Don't fuck me, Charlie. Don't you ever try to fuck me."
@@rossomac21 to be fair there is a second product you get from cocoa beans. Peruvian Marching Powder