@@advertslaxxoryou should check again lol. they've changed their tune after finding out psn isnt available in many regions where people play helldivers
They intentionally want to make User vs Steam. Whatever Steam move now goin to hurt them, but god. Helldivers 2 sell their soul to sony, and yep dont even give any Devs a cent of doubt. Always go full doubts on them. Baldur Gate might even suffer the same situation.
@@drecognis thats why i always laugh at their and xbox "we believe that gaming is for everyone" or "Play has no limits" bs. they will take a dump on their fans heads and ban them any time of the year if political picture will require
@michaelbuto305 if you look at Larian's past, they got screwed over by publishers. They learned their lesson and Kickstarted their best games before BG3. I doubt they would fall for the publisher trap again since they work as their own publisher.
Yeah, it isn't actually an issue of it being some kind of surprise betrayal (the eventual requirement for a PSN account has been listed on the store page from day one), it's that they still _sold the game_ in regions that aren't supported by the PSN. Like sure, people should've actually read the popup at the start of the game and/or the notice on the steam page, but why was it available for purchase to begin with in places like Russia unless mass refunds were always part of the plan. It's just unfathomably poor foresight all around.
The Helldivers 2 community manager hired by Arrowhead to run their Discord is encouraging players to leave negative reviews so they'll have more pull when they go to Sony and say "See? This is a stupid idea." Edit: It worked, Sony pulled back and now the Helldivers subreddit is performing a new campaign to reverse their negative reviews and restore Helldivers 2's reputation. This morning, Helldivers 2 had 45% positive reviews. Now, just a few hours later, it's up to 64%. I expect things will be back to normal in a few days. And that community manager almost lost his job, but just barely landed on his feet.
sony seeing a thriving game community bonded together in harmony and wanting to grow said community....sony: did i just catch you wanting to be shit. SLAP with account requirement.
Remember. Sony disqualified an entire Filipino Gran Turismo team for linking their country as Hong Kong because they didn't provide PSN to the Philippines. Problems like this would be fixed if they just provided but they didn't. This is a different kind of pain by the way glad to know this problem still exists to point out. Yeah Sony is garbage.
Its not just Sony. Arrowhead has been consistently awful at their PR and communication which doesn't help the situation at all. The constant snark from calling players brainless, to being sarcastic about "120 seconds to link a PSN account", to many others.
I can’t wait till Sony goes "Technically, playing Helldivers 2 online is a PS Plus feature so we're gonna need you to pay for PS Plus on Steam". Mark my words.
Honestly that was the first thing that came to my mind when a little while ago they announced that they would allow Playstation Trophies on PC version of their games as it to me at least was an indication of Sony trying to rope in PC player base into their Playstation ecosystem and possibly in the future introducing Playstation Plus requirement for their online games on PC, also it helps to overinflate their Playstation user numbers through the PC user base.
Cutting off access to an already purchased game so early will be a huge boon to Ross Scott's ongoing campaign to strengthen the bond of owning what has been purchased
didn't even think of that. with any luck it could be an extremely high-profile example that could bring "stop killing games(TM)" even more attention. maybe divers should be made aware of it since it is a change in the ownership agreement which a lot of people didn't consent to when they bought it (mainly people who skipped account linking) even if it's not the crew, they might be a lot more sympathetic to it having suffered an early beating
@@spacebassist The account linking was listed from the moment you could buy the game, people who bought it agreed to these terms on purchase date. As Muta says, these requirements were temporarily removed so the game could be played, but now that everything has been fixed up, account linking is being enforced again.
That would work for a single player game but the nature of Helldivers itself means the game is gonna finish at some point. As long as there are players and it is worth it for the Devs to add enemies and reshuffle the map they will do it, but as soon as the player count drops are gonna drop it. And no law will help you with that, who's gonna pay for the servers? The government?
Well, I was looking for something new to play. This news just turned me the heck off. As interest wanes, don’t expect any new blood ( and the potential lost in DLC purchases ) to happen.
Never entrust Sony with your personal information. NoKor hacked Sony before with relative ease. Imagine how laughable it'd be for Sony to withstand a direct attack from the PRC or RUS.
She claimed because in Steam you can have duplicate names that made it harder to ban people. Every single steam user has a unique gamer number, so that excuse went out the window.
@@Jordsiee One thing is microsoft, another one is sony. sony is way shittier than microsoft because they really want your personal info like id which legally they cant have at all
arrowhead studios: man, we created a beautiful game that become 1 of the greatest multiplayer games in history. there's no way we could lose that reputation sony: let's change that
@@MajieB They lost 100,000 concurrent players BECAUSE OF A RAILGUN NERF. And they haven’t been back. The number of concurrent players was around 430,000 at launch. That dropped to 300,000 after their first “balancing update” And now they’re down to about 230,000 concurrent players. THEN THIS SHIT HAPPENS.
How many Indie studios are getting f*cked over by Sony? I remember Hello Games also got beaten up because Sony pushed them to release the game sooner after the indie studio got hit by a heavy flood. And after the game was heavily dunked, they just abandoned them. Now Arrowhead. Sadly now they got beaten up because of decision made by higher-ups at Sony.
The irony of how Sony quite famously refused cross-platform play for games like minecraft partly due to it needing a account connected Xboxes network is not lost on me.
@@GrievousReborn Sony is the *only* company who pisses the bed anytime something good comes to fruition. Bethesda wanted Fallout 4 mods on *all* consoles? It was Sony who shat themselves at that sight. Crossplay? You just spit right in Sony's mouth.
@@WillParker322 For steam users it is new to be required to have an account to a network that is actually a console users based platform. Beside that it is not new for many PC/Steam users to react annoyed to any company demanding another log in into another service/launcher to be able to play the game.
Its like the reverse of Microsoft. Where Microsoft keeps Xbox on life-support, Playstation keeps Sony on life-support. Without Playstation, Sony would have gone bankrupt or sold out by now.
I was affected by the Sony PS3 hack of 2011. I never forgot because my Identity was stolen and i had to deal with ID theft attempts for the next 10 years
It’s impossible to steal someone’s identity from hacking their PlayStation account. No SSN, DL number, Birth Certificate, etc… Edit: unless they used the PlayStation info to reverse engineer your info by giving it to a gullible bank employee for example and claiming to have forgotten the rest. It’s very illegal for them to give away your info because you claim you forgot, but sometimes employees fuck up and believe the person.
@@alliedbrandon1355 Factually untrue. In some nations you HAVE to put that stuff in there (UK, for example), and even then you only need some of that info and not all of it. Someone tried to steal 1,000 USD from me because I had a debit card attached to my PSN account back in the early 2010's, and had to fight Sony to be able to get it back despite it being clear fraud (somehow, living in the US means I can make purchases from Argentina, according to Sony).
Sony has caused me three credit and debit card changes in the last 10 years with how "secure" they claim to be. I dont want to associate anything with Sony.
@@WillParker322 Because it's annoying to have to go through every single shopping or payment account and change the info, particularly if you miss one on an auto payment and then suddenly get hit with late payment fines when they try to use the now inactive old card.
@@monad_tcp You are missing the forest for the trees, my friend. Companies, especially today, are interested in quarterly growth above all else. No long term planning, just perpetual stock growth. This is why these companies are making increasingly nonsensical moves. They are willing to destroy their brand in the long term if it means pleasing shareholders right now.
@@monad_tcpThe ESG made gamers more aware and increased the backlash of any problem tenfold, but they aren't the main vilain here, at least until we have more information. The good part is the conversation about "This company has billions of user we will never be able to bankrupt them" is almost gone. People are pissed and finally started to vote whith their wallets.
Nah they just like to play with fire for a 25% chance the community doesn't backlash then get surprised when its that 75% other time, I bet they knew this from the start and wanted to play chance for that sweet data/user collection.
They never said it was "temporarily optional". People caught Sony lying about this with Waybackmachine screenshots. What Sony did is against the law. Now they destroyed one of the best games in the last 10+ years, ruined a small studio's reputation, and killed off a massive player base in response to boycotting the game and Sony as a whole. All of this just to bring all the people over to PSN accounts lmao. They just became the newest game company to join the list of EA, Blizzard, Bethesda, Ubisoft, etc. Screw them!
Sony's security is fine, its just its more publicized when its breached. In the same time span Microsoft has had over 200 data breaches. They just are better at burying it. So your email address is going to belong to data brokers regardless of who you have accounts with. If you link your steam account and sony gets hacked, all they get is your email, and your steam account number, which is a nothingburger of information. The real issue is that psn accounts don't work in many countries. So all those people who bought the game just get fucked.
I wish steam would just come out and tell anyone who wants to sell a game on their platform that third party signups are not allowed. So what if some developers decide not to sell on steam? With how popular steam is, developers will think twice before trying to do this.
If Sony accidentally drags them into a lawsuit over this (INAL, but it could happen if the players in the No-PSN-Allowed countries started legal action), I think Sony might find Valve telling them real fast to reverse their position or find ALL their games removed from Steam.
@@RookMeAmadeus steam already kicked the door down and delisted a lot of countries from helldivers. This is due to them getting hit by a lot of legitimate refunds.
valve specifically allows this. You have to remember Steam isn’t just a gaming platform but a software platform. You can download video editing software or 3D modeling software from them as-well
no fucking thanks we finally have crossplay and cross progression in lot of games due to account linking so i can always play with my friends on any platform. They should just not make it mandatory
@@fenix144 A lot of people (including me) didn't refund the game at launch because PSN was optional, and the steam forums being flooded by people saying exactly that reflects it. From a quality perspective, yes, the success it has is because of the good gameplay. But launch would've gone MUCH worse and would've seen a massive increase in refunds if it happened to me mandatory from the start.
says alot, but not surprising, a billion dollar corporation that has weak cybersceurity infrastructure left that probably a high schooler with a vintage linux can hack playstation
The difference between Steam getting hacked and Sony getting hacked is the frequency. I didn't have to get a new debit card when Steam was hacked, so obviously it didn't leak all that much info. I hear millions of people had to cancel the cards they had linked to their PSN accounts because of their leaks.
Agree, happened to me around 2018 when FFXIV not available on steam yet and need to buy subscription on the PSN (Console). When the hackers hit not long after that i got massive purchase on my credit card and locked out from my PSN account (someone change the password), luckily i can void/refund through the bank and block my card for that purchase. After that i ditch my console and full PC gamers till now. Never ever happen to my steam since 2012, fuck Sony tho.
Sony delisted the game in all countries where PSN is unavailable. I’ve been gaming my whole life, and I’ve never seen a publisher treat a development studio with such malice.
the GIANT difference between this, and ANY other game requirering 3rd party account is: they are actually required on all thoses other game. So if you don't wanna do it => you can refund within the 1st 10 mins. Sames goes for "oh, i can buy the game but i can't create an account because of my country" Steam refund system act as a failsafe. Here, SONY is circunventing steam's refund system. If something is a requirement: it mean it is essential and you cannot do without. If you can do without: then it is NOT a requirement. If it says it is on the store page anyway, then it's just false advertisment
Exactly. The moment I heard about the requirement, I tried to refund. Denied because I had 2.2 hours played. Tried a request to an actual support person. Also denied. Get fucked Sony
My thoughts exactly. If Sony couldn't handle the influx of players, due to the PSN Login debacle, then the game should have been pulled from Steam, until it was ready. This is pure bait & switch. If you wanna play a Microsoft game, you gotta log in with an account. No ifs, ands, or buts....
@@mikea5745 if you bought it on steam, you can ask for a refund to steam, just keep trying, it sometimes takes a couple attempts, but ive seen plenty of refunds go through with hundreds of hours played
@therotten6152 steam support was the best support i had compared to any other company, like when i got my steam hijacked they managed to figure it out so quick then once my rockstar got hijacked only for them to basically tell me "fuck you and shut up"
Better question: If it's no big deal, why is it needed? This game has ran perfectly fine on PC without PSN linking since launch. The winning play would've just been to completely drop any mention of the requirement. Don't mind the trolls, or the people with zero comprehension skills.
you might be able to make a bullshit Sony account, cheat, get banned, then make another Sony account. well if there's a way to unlink your steam account.
We went from "Arrowhead is a self-made studio" to "We rent helldivers from sony so we don't have any say" pretty damn quick. I really hope every developer learns from this and avoids Sony as a partner or publisher going forward. Edit* This really is a case of having the customer sign over the rights to a third party to ban them from a game they bought on Steam. I don't want Sony, a company more censorious than Nintendo for the last decade, to have the ability to lock me out of a Steam game. This change offers nothing to the user, they specifically said the problem they have is the ability to ban steam users, but by forcing you to have a PSN account they can ban you without even asking Steam for permission. It's 1000% anti-consumer.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Anyways, even the devs are saying to pressure Sony so that they can argue to make the account link optional.
When I first loaded up the game on February 19th 11 days after the game came out it told me it required me to link to a psn account which I looked up and the people that also had to at the time didn't really seem to care but suddenly now it's an issue like I don't understand you people because it says required the first time you boot up the game though of course you could just skip it and forget about it but it's just on you at this point for not understanding what required ends up meaning
@@revenge3265 Less than a month ago, there was controversy among the helldivers community regarding the balance of bugfixes to warbonds, and players were concerned that they had to deliver a warbond per month because of their contract with Sony. The CEO specifically said on twitter that they own the studio and are not beholden to shareholders or Sony. So you are right, I know nothing, but the CEO sure as shit isn't helping clarify the situation when they basically lied. "Technically we own the studio, but not the helldivers IP" is weasel words of the highest order. Now they say they just wanna make great games, but that's clearly not true because if they cared about their product they would be issuing refunds for every single customer who doesn't want this. Instead they are happy to take money for a product many literally can't play anymore, and that plenty of others will refuse. If you think I'm wrong tell it to the 198 THOUSAND negative reviews on steam over the past two days.
This is one of major reasons why piracy thrives in PC gaming. You want to be a good person and support game developers, you buy the game, but in order to play even a single player you have to use online connection at all time, use launchers that work in the background, on top of that during your gameplay "anti-cheat or anti-piracy" software keeps running in the background scanning your PC and slowing it's performance. Then someone downloads pirated version of the game and voila, no launchers, no 3rd party software running in the background, much better performance and higher FPS, no need to stay online or having internet connection at all. And then Gaming Industry complains and cries about piracy -__- THEY ARE THE REASON PEOPLE GO AFTER IT. I bought Hogwarts Legacy day 1, but due to it's bad performance on PC's in the first two weeks (thanks to denuvo), I played and finished entire game playing on pirated version, wtf is this.
It's a fallacy that "supporting devs" comes from buying games. In many situations in life - that's not how financing works. Many companies get paid up front TO develop the game, they OWE money to the publisher. Yes you are helping but you are helping them pay their debts. It's a different thing. It's like - instead of encouraging more of the same from developers (as I'm sure many customers believe their purchases DO) - you are more voting for the management of the studio and putting money down on their continued efforts to... maybe make more games? ... Maybe not? ... HellDivers 2 was not bankrolled by that studio on their own. They have bills, and "support" has little to do with that math.
@@melxvee6850 Sony: Gets hacked nearly every other year leaking customer financial and other sensitive information. You: What's your problem guys? Everything's fine.
@@user-c4b9b for indi games you are quite often directly supporting the devs cause the team is so small that they just split the profits. For larger indies they might not do that but they still require the sucess of the game to pay their employies. Sure large game companises might not go under if a game flops but they might lay off a significant amount of the workforce.
@@melxvee6850 think you missed the part where he talked about online single-player and anti-cheat/anti-piracy software knee-capping performance. reading helps you understand the point someone is making, read his and use what he actually said to oppose him
It's straight up like a rug pull in like 130 countries lol..... (Update)=== STEAM just delisted 177 locations from the storefront so correction SONY basically forced Arrowhead to rug pull 177 locations basically 2/3rds of the globe lol.
Live in a better country - Sony/AH unironically They didn't stop the purchases from those countries Helldivers 2 is a scam As soon as I get home. Im about to report the game for financial fraud
Actually, you are wrong. PSN accounts are available in every country of the world without a VPN for free. That’s a better ratio than the availability of McDonalds.
*Costumer:* I paid you money and bought Helldivers 2but I live in a country that doesn't have PSN so now I can't play it *Sony:* Sounds like a *SKILL ISSUE* to me.
5:30 How it used to be: - Buy a game - Install the game - (Log in?) - Play the game How it is now: -Make an account(And sign away all your private information for no reason) -Buy the game -Download the game -Install the game -Open the game -Make a second account(And sign away even more private information to ANOTHER person) -Play the game... which you don't own because it's "live service" -Buy all the DLC(You don't own this either) -Download all the DLC -Install all the DLC -Play the DLC and game, which you don't own. Man.
- Hopefully YOUR internet connection is stable, even with SIngleplayer. - Hopefully the game servers are stable, including on Singleplayer. - Even though you don't own anything at all, you are annoyed to buy something else in the in-game store, which is constantly shown to you, so that even more things... don't belong to you. - While more and more studios are laying off their developers and many games are losing quality, you are being asked to pay a constantly increasing price because of "increasing costs"
Arrowhead CEO is making the absolute biggest gambit in gaming history Hideo Kojima's gonna be kicking himself on this one, like, *"Damnit! Why didn't I think of using review-bombs to fight against my new masters? ITS GENIUS!!!!"*
FR!!! Imagine what could've happened if MGS 5 was review-bombed We could've had a complete game!! But hey at least Kojima's independent now and he's still making great shit so it's not all bad ig ... WAAAAAAIIIIIIT A MINUTE!!! What if Arrowhead just branched off Sony entirely. Afaik neither the franchise nor the company is directly owned by Sony, so Arrowhead could just branch out and self-publish to do things completely and utterly however *THEY* want, which we *KNOW* will be good considering how goated they've behaved with us and how much they've acknowledged the problems the game has. They have the money too! This is probably the most played game in the world in years, not to mention the live service component. AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING US THE XBOX REINFORCEMENTS FASTER TOO! *WIN-WIN-WIN*
@@firstoffproductions1462 Damn I just got reminded of it cuz The Wonderful 101 was originally exclusive to the Wii U, but PlatinumGames wanted to port it to other consoles. Since Nintendo didn't allow it, they branched out, self-published, and now we have it on PS4 and PC. I was hoping Arrowhead could maybe do the same, cuz not only it'll port it to Xbox but they'd be fully independent to do whatever the fuck they want xD Edit: The Wonderful 101's ports were also financed through crowdfunding, which in the case of Helldivers is a fucking cakewalk considering how many ppl would donate to them to support them in that idea
What were those "technical reasons" why they couldn't have done this from the start? Or did Sony just suddenly realize they had a golden goose that was left unfucked and saw an opportunity to exploit a fan base for greed?
Free business advice for Sony: "Hey, Helldivers, link your PSN account and get this exclusive Super Dope Uber Citizen armor set and cape." Same result for Sony, minimal backlash. UPD. Ofcourse PSN account should stay optional for this approach to work.
Plus it doesn’t deny people in non-psn regions like make of Africa the ability to play this game Giving incentives and not requirements will always be the better option. People can avoid psn if they are worried about security, a lot of people will still get PSN for freebies, and as said above, people in certain regions without PSN can keep playing the game
Exactly! why didn't they just go for a mobile-game-esque rewards, maybe even a daily login reward for this. A considerable amount of people won't bat an eye and create one, those who prefer not to are still fine and didn't really lose anything.
Hot take but - China should have it's own PSN, Steam, Internet - everything. They shouldn't be allowed to play games with people who aren't also in China. Chat stream calling -ok obviously but GAMING? No. For real how do we answer this cultural issue that encourages cheating, among other equally unpleasant things?
@@navioner Nope, you're not allowed to use VPNs because they have region locking and you're bypassing it. I don't agree with the region locking BS at all but it's w/e
AH came back and said they're working to make it so residents of unsupported countries would still be able to play. This nullifies their entire argument that it's so necessary for our own good.
It also means that whatever solution they come up with for "unsupported countries" (noting it's only Sony's requirement that's unsupported - Steam works perfectly fine), they'd need to offer to other PC players as well anyway - making the PSN requirement pointless.
@@kristiankonev5190 We don't know if this is a Sony, Arrowhead or a Valve decision. My money is on it being a Valve decision, wanting to avoid further influx of support tickets and refund requests from non-PSN-supported countries until Sony can pull their head out their ass and resolve this situation.
Remember that time you couldn't play FO3 on PC because Games for Windows live wasn't "compatible" with windows 10 even if you bought it on Steam? Remember how it was that way for 8 years? I feel like this quickly going to head that way. so to ArrowHead, Im sorry to say, It was fun while it lasted.
@@devinbishop8663 You know how that taking of the money resulted? Because they changed the wording! The £250 had a lot of new benefits including a DLC that was suppose to be included with the £150 (as said on their website) then they changed it, thus pretty much the same scenario, taking money from the countries that no longer can access the game due to a PSN account being required, thus they lost their money, as steam are declining the majority of refunds due to time played
@@devinbishop8663 Some mistakes there, let me fix it for ya *signing into an unsecure PSN account, where people have lost their personal data and money MULTIPLE times in the past, which in forcing you to join it to your Steam account puts you Steam account in danger too... See the problem now? I don't want a company to be so cheap on their security that they ultimately dox me and lose me my money, which Sony is perfectly capable of doing, since they've done so already MULTIPLE times.
I think the reason why this flared up the way it has is twofold: 1: They dumped this on a lot of players that thought that it wasn't mandatory to link accounts, and the fact that you could skip linking when they prompted you (if they prompted you at all, they didn't for me) made players think that you didn't have to. 2: It is legitimately a great game, and people do not want to lose it or make it more complicated than it is, also as a side note, we do not know what Sony will do in the future if they succeed with this.
Re No. 1 - without it detracting at all from people's right to be angry here, it is the player's fault if they thought it wasn't going to become mandatory at some point. The game tells you this from the get-go, and as mentioned in this very video, it was only disabled to help server stability at launch. Anyone who didn't read or understand that only has themselves to blame for being *surprised* now. They can still blame Sony and Arrowhead though for the original decision to require linked accounts, since it is only a detriment to Steam players.
3, Playstation Accounts have very little mileage on PC. "But other companies like Ubisoft have account requirements all the time" but yeah, that's the thing, it's well established, and with a Ubisoft or EA account, you can play a lot of games, but a PS acc doesn't have those options which makes it NOT worth the security risk. And with a Microsoft account, that has a million goddamn uses at this point, so you get tons of mileage. You get none of that with Playstation. I'm not annoyed by necessarily needing an account for certain games, IF there's good cause. This does NOT have good cause and is needlessly putting so much as risk.
@MrJakeasaur98 then why sell to countries where the option to have PSN doesn't exist? Keep in mind there's a record of Sony banning folks for using VPN to lie about their location so that option is a wash too. At that point, mandatory PSN for a game that has a playerbase that cant legit do PSN even if they wanted is effectively stealing third worlder and even some EU citizens' money.
I literally can't play EA games anymore because my account somehow ended up in this unusable state, where no matter what I do, I can't login. All of my EA games are unplayable.
I can't play Warzone because one time in the past i migrated my account to a US one to play HotS with some friends from Canada, and i forgot about it, and now when i try to login to Warzone it asks me for a mobile phone verification, phone that i did not have assigned before, and locked to +1 US region code, so i can't even put my own phone number in. And to make it even better, i can't migrate back to EU cuz the sistem is different now, and i need to ... and im serious... NEED TO SEND THEM A RECENT BILL THAT HAS MY CURRENT HOME ADDRESS..... WTF? I don't want or like Warzone that much to make a new account or send them my electricity bills... wtf is this shit?!
Had the same thing happened with Ubisoft like a good 10 years ago, back when they called it Uplay. Couldn't log in, because my password didn't work. The recovery e-mail never arrived. When I looked up how can I ask help with my password recovery, the site told me to contact support... which you can only contact using an active account. And making duplicate account was against the ToS, punishable by permanent bans. So, yeah. I gave up and decided then and there that never again will I pay for anything published by Ubisoft.
I don’t want to make a PS account if I bought a gaming computer, and actively use steam as my platform. It pissed me off when rocket league went to epic games, and this stuff still pisses me off to this day. I just want to use 1 service for my games that start with 1 service.
You need to just accept that you can't have that, several companies all have their own launchers for games that, even on Steam, requires you to make an account with them, you can't have everything in 1 place, get over it
@JowoeBunchaNumbers Do you know why you have no likes? It's because the studios who try to force that eat shit afterwards. Why don't many of people have KH on PC? Because Epic Games exclusively killed its sales.
The difference between Helldivers 2 and every other game that has historically required a secondary account, is that HD2 had the requirement disabled almost from the start for technical reasons, but thousands upon thousands of players had no idea that it was actually a thing because both developer and publisher sources of info for whether it was mandatory or would be mandatory *were not consistent or implied it would not be required*. Never mind the fact that PSN is so notoriously unsecured that touching it might give you the plague.
@@ErdeZ Dude, listen to yourself. I'm going to start adding boxes to every website you visit that you have to scroll down to see that say that you have to give me 30 dollars. Pay up.
@@ErdeZ Make it easier for consumers to be aware of things, not the other way around. When you are about to buy a game, you don't read stuff that you have to scroll down to. And even if it was visible, a light orange box doesn't attract the eye. And no it's not a generational issue " zoomers ", I'm not wasting brain energy for reading stuff, that most of which will be 95% useless anyway... Me, you, a 40 year old guy, won't read. Blame the consumers when the game markers have put in the effort, but not when the consumer simply wants to buy a game they heard nice reviews from. Maybe that's idealist, but it should be that way. If you prepare yourself to bullshit and do not try to make things go in the right direction, then don't even complain. Consumers aren't the problem here.
@@uhmmmFU Or I'd just do like I did with Helldivers 2 and see it came with bundled kernel level anti-cheat (listed first) and PS account linkage requirement and not pay it. Warnings, that btw, are always at the same spot on the Steam store. But hey, you do you, fam.
As someone whose a part of the Playstation community. Push back against this completely and ignore the defenders. My community has alot of console fanboys who would defend Sony regardless of them being in the wrong simply because they don't want bad publicity about their favorite company it's pathetic and harms improvement. There's 0 reason for this to even be a thing and I wouldn't be surprised if Sony attempted to someday in the future implement a way for Pc gamers to require Playstation plus in order to play their 1st party online titles in the future.
I think anyone who defends a large corporation is just stupid. They have enough money and lawyers to defend themselves, MOST companies these days are shitty, some more than others. I'm not a fanboy of any company. I buy what's good now, and if some other company comes along later that's better I'll buy from them. Customer loyalty went out years ago when companies became anit-consumer.
Loyality to a large corporation is for me one of the stupidest thing ever, when your work for them and they pay you "fair" fine.. but as consummer? fuck that, that company gives a flying fuck about you when you dont pay anymore, "loyal customer" are often just "Nice we can now lower or quality without losing money :) "
@@kohlicoide2258 The advantage of simping for a corporation instead of simping for an e-girl is that you're guaranteed to eventually be fucked by the object of your affections.
You know, I was already suspicious of Helldivers 2 since launch, given that it is an always-online game that requires a purchase and was launched around the time of The Crew’s shutdown. I was already expecting it to be review bombed for this reason. I am glad people are standing up to this issue.
They could've avoided the backlash completely if they didn’t make the account linking mandatory (or at least, announce it on day 1, and actually added some skin as a reward for doing so. They killed it's future revenue in the worst way possible by reminding the players that Sony is, in fact, holding the leash.
We're angry because on Sony's own website they had the UELA state "account linking for all games is completely optional." They changed it without notifying anyone to "required for select games." We're angry because they pulled a Tarkov
@@chriscoleman7260some countries that PSN is in literally require an ID, facial recognition, or passport number. Please name me in what game does EA Ubisoft or epic require you to give them your national ID? Also named me another company that has had as many hacks as Sony has had? No one should trust them with their data.
@@notknownlogic4161if it was there day 1 then they HAVE TO give a refund to the other countries where the PSN network isn't allowed. Every Chinese, Russian, Korean gamer deserves there money back 100% for taking what was bought
6:04 fun fact, I scanned that QR code, and it logged me into my old account I didn't want to log into because I accidentally made it a family account when I was in middle school. It never gave me a choice of which one of my two accounts to log into. Helldivers 2 also did not have a function for me to switch accounts OR unlink the account, and the only way for me to delete a PSN account was to sit through Customer Support on the phone for 3 hours to get them to do it for me. That process SCREAMS to me that Sony is an outdated company, and the fact they get hacked further supports that. I had to PURCHASE and INSTALL a completely different Sony game to switch my accounts, AND I THINK IT DIDN'T WORK! Thankfully Steam's policies allow for refunds. Can we get a f***ing break? We just want to have fun...
Conveniences are accidents And inconveniences have purpose. That they have a very crippled customer service just like everything is because they want you to just buy the game again instead of going through all that pain in the a.
A lot of people keep playing in hopes of Sony backing off and making it optional because they enjoy it and they've made friends there. You're 100% correct on the lie being told about safety and Sony and the devs defending this move need to own up to the truth. Every time they say "it's for safety" they insult everyone who isn't a moron.
@@genericman1966 The prices of making deals with Devils. You don't get to blame them while hiding the contract you signed. Consequences will arrive at some point and that point is Now.
I feel like most people are still playing until the doomsday timer hits 0. Once they force mandate the PSN linking, I would expect a dip in player base due to it on Steam.
Chances are the people still playing are the ones wanting to play as much as they can before the linking becomes mandatory, which is when they'll leave
Blizzard also asks for very suspicious information when you change the plaform region area ( country ) which is illegal in many parts of europe. For example, blizzard asks for passport info, which again, is illegal to provide that info and yet somehow people go along with it cause they wanna play their precious game.
We as people need to really up our game on being protective of our information. If it asks for very valuable information, it isn't worth it. There are probably better games on the horizon.
What’s so baffling about this is how similar it is to the Tarkov Unheard controversy not even a WEEK ago. Arrowhead actually poked fun of BSG on Twitter for it. Sony changed their website so that a clause saying that PSN accounts were “optional”, now says that SOME games (pretty much only Helldivers 2) REQUIRE an account. Being done AFTER the the requirement came down is beyond scummy.
Occam's Razor suggests this is for nefarious purposes, given Sony's history. They may want to boost their PSN as well. HD2 was too good to be true. In the last decade, I've played Elden Ring and HD2. That's it. Dayum.
@@neotokyo2418 that and more to show a growth in Playstation Network users to shareholders probably, because even on the console there aren't many games that justify people having an active PSN account. So with Helldivers 2 being so successful, they want to bring in PC players to bump those numbers up.
Artificial inflation of user numbers, to give the impression of the service's growth. "Look how many people joined our service in this month! We're doing a great job!". Lately Sony's fuckups have resulted in lots of people canceling their subscriptions, so they're desperate to try to bring back those numbers even if it means strong-arming devs into doing things they may be opposed to do. I guarantee they didn't ask Arrowhead nicely, or at the very least they alluded to shutting down the psn servers. If you think you hate Sony, you will realize you don't hate them enough.
@@Geats-IX Incorrect. Not even going to try to explain it to you, mainly because you probably think you know the truth already. You can't learn something you think you already know.
The only way Sony could make the situation worse is if they also required an active Playstation Plus subscription. I wouldn't be surprised if that would come next. Greed has no limits.
Except that it's ran by Polish DEI-baiters for American investor money that ban entire countries to virtue signal to them. Kind of like what happened to Finish creators of Alan Wake and Max Payne.
You didn't cover that in the released FAQ about account linking in the HD2 discord that the devs released, had a statement about not having PSN in your country. Their solution was to go to another country lmao. Pathetic.
I just requested a refund with the following reason "Publisher bait and switch/ cutting off a service I paid for. The developers have announced that they will restrict my access to the game unless I sign up for and use a third-party service and account. This requirement was obfuscated at release and waived for three months, before it was announced as a REQUIREMENT to continue to play the game at all."
My refund request was auto denied for having played more than 2 hours. I intend to file complaints with the BBB, State Attorney General's office, and Consumer Protection Bureau. They may have taken my $60 but it will cost them more in administrative fees responding to authorities. Who knows, maybe there will be a office worker somewhere looking to make a case.
my refund request was denied in under 30 minutes, i will not even be able to play the game here soon but they are allowed to keep my money because i played for 7 hours, 5 of those hours were waiting on a black screen because the devs couldnt even make a working loading screen.
The most insane thing is that they are censuring everything on the official discord lol. People got banned/timed out for speaking against this and sony or posting how to get a refund.
@@shatteredteethofgod i legit got timed out for a day and i have prob posted less than 10msg in general chat. Same for others. Mods muted lot of people and kept only a few
A lot of people correctly point out that the whole PSN account linking thing wasn't a secret, but it also was completely and entirely optional and a good chunk of players probably bought the game never thinking that they would have to ever be required to link their accounts later on. If it took *MONTHS* to work out server issues then maybe don't allow people to purchase and play the game under the impression that the account linking is optional during that time.
@@maksymilianzajac5262 Relax, no need to be so hostile, this isn't life or death here. What I said is not untrue, the game has been playable for many months with the account link being completely optional, if it took that long to get it working then it's not the consumer's fault, an FAQ even clarified it to be optional.
@@maksymilianzajac5262 But it wasn't required before and the game has been doing excellently without account linking. If Playstation wanted to make it a requirement I would understand but you can't do this half-arsed measure in the year of our lord 2024. Helldivers 2 is a new game and this whole linking accounts stuff has been standard for multiple studios for YEARS! Sony is going to get reamed because the people complaining about this bought the game in a region where PSN isn't serviced. Sony has sold these people a defective product that they scammed their audience with by "temporarily" removing the account linking requirement. Now people can't refund because their playtime is up because Sony didn't just make it mandatory day 1.
PSN is not avaliable in my country. Me: Can I play the game that i paid for ? SONY: Do you have a PSN ? Me: No , PSN in not avaliable in my country. SONY: Sucks to be you, eat a brick. Me: But i paid for the game! SONY: And we are greatfull, but eat a brick.
It’s one thing when a game is added to Steam already having its own launcher and account (warthunder, crossout), and quite another when the game is purchased on Steam and after 4 months requires linking a third-party and useless account unavailable in 2/3 of all countries.
Your info is out there regardless of account creation. If you are so worried and you should be, use pseudonyms, have burner emails and use a proper generated password.
@@thewholething430 This is the same type of surface level thinking as "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." Just because my data may be floating around out there doesn't mean I want every person on the planet to have it.
Thing is, I use a VPN as a security feature on my PC. So, if i now connect a PSN Account on my PC, i could get perma-banned since a VPN is against the terms of service of the PSN.
Sorry but I'm going to be that guy, VPNs DO NOT make you more secure. They just give you a different endpoint, all you need is Windows Defender and common sense.
@@keithpirolo9508they do, though. If you are from a funny country and you don't want to let your provider know where you are going, or if you want to make sure that your services can be accessed only through the particular IP address, your own VPN service can be a good thing.
My biggest problem is how shady it is to suddenly introduce new requirements. If they're willing to make a psn account a requirement why stop there? Why not make everyone get Playstation Plus? They already showed that they dont respect you once.
AH is def not 100% innocent in this. While the little tiny banner at the store front was technically there, it was optional. There was no community post or announcement stating psn WILL BE REQUIRED once we have fully fixed server etc, they also didnt lock it in countries that are not PSN supported. They literally got there money and are trying to place 100% of the blame on sony. granted its about 80% on Sony but they are not 100% innocent. IF they start issuing refunds I would be more inclined to believe Sony stepped in recently and made this change. Otherwise, this was the plan all along and AH KNEW this was coming and didnt say squat about it, and thats on them.
yeah i filed a refund request even i played many hours i think i deserve my money back also the 1st time in 20 years or so i asked for a refund ..we will see if i get something ? i am 99% sure not ...
@@exia7684 yea, literally like last night or today though. If all those in affected areas get full refunds, regardless of time played, then will I agree that it wasn't AH and solely 100% on Sony.
That doesn’t make sense though. Ah released the game saying that the ps account was optional BEFORE so many people got their hands on it that they crashed the servers. If they had predicted that so many people would play the game that the servers would crash, they would have gotten more servers. What they would not have done is make a necessary account temporary optional as a desperate measure to fix servers that HAVE NOT crashed yet. that means that the statement that ps accounts not being needed was only a temporary thing was a lie, and they were planning on ps accounts being optional the whole time. I’m assuming that they lied about it to make it seem like this was planned, and there was not any problems going on behind the scenes. What I can say is that it is logical to believe that ah is completely innocent. Edit: it was also in the EULA that a ps account was not needed to play the game. Lying about this would be very illegal. Edit 2: that first edit was wrong as shit I’m buggin
the requirements were also listed during the purchase process, not at the side or bottom but literally on it's own page...you add to cart click to purchase then i came up on its own page with NOTHING else but these are requirements for the game Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: nProtect GameGuard Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account) Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA HELLDIVERS 2 EULA once you agreed to that you could continue to the next page and finish the purchase. people acting like its a bait and switch are being very dishonest. Three times before you even played the tutorial they were told psn was a requirement yea in game it let you skip the psn registration, but it said it was only currently optional, It is like a kid not having to make his bed before school because his parents have to leave early to drop him off before an early appointment making the argument that he shouldn't have to ever have to do it again because they let him not do it one or two times....
@@nintey9lives550 sony BMG. In 2006 I bought a rock music CD from Sony. It was fine playing in a radio. When inserted into a PC, it tried to connect to the internet to "manage my rights" before I could listen or rip the tracks. It was a class action failure worldwide. Sony's reputation was never the same.
All of the blame is on Sony. It’s like publishers have the absolute perfect formula to select the worst possible decisions known to man when they come across a game that’s actually good. Edit: A lot ➡️ All
All publishers do this, however the issue that the dev companies don’t do is read what the contract has (hire a layer if you must since comprehension is something that is loosing it day by day) and then just sign off. I feel for the devs cause even they are throwing the publisher (Sony) under the bus which is good
@@itzFinn_ that's not how that works they signed with sony to make the game with sonys ip(helldivers) and sony has all control with the helldivers ip and if sony wanted to they could fire AH twam
And the ceo announced that outside of the PSN areas you will not need the linked account, so I guess its not needed at all, so why are they forcing us?
they have shareholder meeting soon they need to prove them sony is still worth investing into even it means that numbers is fake (they will show investors psn number are up )
I lost my ps4 account years ago with all the classics , fallout 4 , Skyrim dead island definitive edition dying light loads ,and ever since then I’ve become a pirate I can’t even look in the mirror anymore
Man, am I glad that my trust in game devs is so low nowadays that I have to overcome a lot of inner resistance before I jump onto a hyped or trending game. I dodged another bullet.
As soon as I saw ‘mandatory PlayStation account connection’, I pretty much associated it as being a Sony move rather than an Arrowhead move.
Look at the way their rep in discord responded. I don't think it's just Sony, otherwise they wouldn't respond like they have.
@@advertslaxxorits probably a sony rep in disguise then
Almost as if it was there in the launch trailer and steam page the entire time
@@advertslaxxor tbh a game dev cant really say "yeah, our publisher is dumb", they kinda have to either defend it or not interact at all
@@advertslaxxoryou should check again lol. they've changed their tune after finding out psn isnt available in many regions where people play helldivers
if those were the requirements, they shouldn't have sold the game in 200 regions when only 72 of those regions support PSN logins.
They intentionally want to make User vs Steam.
Whatever Steam move now goin to hurt them, but god. Helldivers 2 sell their soul to sony, and yep dont even give any Devs a cent of doubt. Always go full doubts on them. Baldur Gate might even suffer the same situation.
real
@@drecognis thats why i always laugh at their and xbox "we believe that gaming is for everyone" or "Play has no limits" bs. they will take a dump on their fans heads and ban them any time of the year if political picture will require
@michaelbuto305 if you look at Larian's past, they got screwed over by publishers. They learned their lesson and Kickstarted their best games before BG3. I doubt they would fall for the publisher trap again since they work as their own publisher.
Yeah, it isn't actually an issue of it being some kind of surprise betrayal (the eventual requirement for a PSN account has been listed on the store page from day one), it's that they still _sold the game_ in regions that aren't supported by the PSN. Like sure, people should've actually read the popup at the start of the game and/or the notice on the steam page, but why was it available for purchase to begin with in places like Russia unless mass refunds were always part of the plan. It's just unfathomably poor foresight all around.
Sony: “Finds a Goose that lays gold eggs and diamonds”
Also Sony: “Boils Goose and adds no seasoning”
Yep
@@nintey9lives550 Yes
Microsoft does this and you guys are not from a place with no PlayStation I don't understand the hate
Because they are the same company 🤡🤡🤡@@denzel_thegreat1681
Marty O'Donnell?? Is it you?
The Helldivers 2 community manager hired by Arrowhead to run their Discord is encouraging players to leave negative reviews so they'll have more pull when they go to Sony and say "See? This is a stupid idea."
Edit: It worked, Sony pulled back and now the Helldivers subreddit is performing a new campaign to reverse their negative reviews and restore Helldivers 2's reputation. This morning, Helldivers 2 had 45% positive reviews. Now, just a few hours later, it's up to 64%. I expect things will be back to normal in a few days. And that community manager almost lost his job, but just barely landed on his feet.
thats cute, i dont think sony cares
@@NitroDS welp, refund it is then.
@@PIJIM0N Well, the thing is... you can't, because they waited 4 months for people to play the game for more than two hours before making this change.
@@Haluhe People are actually getting refunds, even at 90+ hours
@@Haluhe I kne a guy who got the game refunded after 90 hours of playtime. Give it a try if you want.
“Did I just catch y’all having fun?!”
- Sony
sony seeing a thriving game community bonded together in harmony and wanting to grow said community....sony: did i just catch you wanting to be shit. SLAP with account requirement.
Your pfp is actually accurate to what a Sony employee looks like when saying this. 😂
Oh shit son!! The fun police!! You will never take me alive **runs to microsoft**
Nintendo: "Stop it Sony, you know that you will never take our trophy for ruining the fun of gamers. And yet you keep trying..."
@@gearfox7😂
Yeah, man this gaming industry is scary, like how ugly shit gotta be for Microsoft to look like the caring older brother. 😂
Remember. Sony disqualified an entire Filipino Gran Turismo team for linking their country as Hong Kong because they didn't provide PSN to the Philippines. Problems like this would be fixed if they just provided but they didn't. This is a different kind of pain by the way glad to know this problem still exists to point out. Yeah Sony is garbage.
The audacity of Sony in having official stores here in PH and they LITERALLY SELL PS CONSOLES AND PS GAMES and not including our country in PSN
Litterally a perfect ecosystem of amazing and developers and an amazing community has just being ruined by Sony and their greed, fuck sony
@@ludgerkresnik6301dude this is the exact same shit in Vietnam too. We have to create our accounts in Thailand
By the way, the Philippines still can't access PSN...
crazy how they are still winning the console war even shooting themselves in the foot this hard
Correction: How Sony destroyed Helldivers 2 reputation
(Should be the title of this video however the Algorithm must provide Mutuhar the views cause well reasons)
thank you, very misleading tbh
Its not just Sony. Arrowhead has been consistently awful at their PR and communication which doesn't help the situation at all. The constant snark from calling players brainless, to being sarcastic about "120 seconds to link a PSN account", to many others.
@@itzFinn_ How exactly does sony decide that an independent game requires their service?
cry is free@@gnomad3143
I can’t wait till Sony goes "Technically, playing Helldivers 2 online is a PS Plus feature so we're gonna need you to pay for PS Plus on Steam". Mark my words.
Honestly that was the first thing that came to my mind when a little while ago they announced that they would allow Playstation Trophies on PC version of their games as it to me at least was an indication of Sony trying to rope in PC player base into their Playstation ecosystem and possibly in the future introducing Playstation Plus requirement for their online games on PC, also it helps to overinflate their Playstation user numbers through the PC user base.
As if Games for windows live 2.0 is going to end well
If they are doing this, yeah it's a sign of their Monopoly Practices.
If you all people pay for shitty taylos swift you can pay this new shite from sony
@durshurrikun150 is sony does the same thing that Microsoft tried to do. Pc gamers is gonna rip Sony to shreds, but even worse
HELLDIVERS 2 Patch 1.000.302
Patch Notes:
•Removed Chinese Divers
•Removed Russian Divers
•Removed African Divers
•Removed Filipino Divers
•Removed Eastern European Divers
Lore accurate liberty
•increased likely hood of your personal info being leaked
Bro and the Chinese divers are the best guys in the game. I’m going to miss these guys.
Honestly, based.
@@RichSmithson ??? Chinese literally always cheated in every lobby i was with them.
Cutting off access to an already purchased game so early will be a huge boon to Ross Scott's ongoing campaign to strengthen the bond of owning what has been purchased
didn't even think of that. with any luck it could be an extremely high-profile example that could bring "stop killing games(TM)" even more attention. maybe divers should be made aware of it since it is a change in the ownership agreement which a lot of people didn't consent to when they bought it (mainly people who skipped account linking)
even if it's not the crew, they might be a lot more sympathetic to it having suffered an early beating
Yeah, but unfortunately, I doubt it
@@spacebassist The account linking was listed from the moment you could buy the game, people who bought it agreed to these terms on purchase date. As Muta says, these requirements were temporarily removed so the game could be played, but now that everything has been fixed up, account linking is being enforced again.
That would work for a single player game but the nature of Helldivers itself means the game is gonna finish at some point.
As long as there are players and it is worth it for the Devs to add enemies and reshuffle the map they will do it, but as soon as the player count drops are gonna drop it. And no law will help you with that, who's gonna pay for the servers? The government?
We need Ross Scott and Louis Rossmann to team up on this.
>>historically hit by some of the worst security breaches in gaming history
>>"It's for your own safety!"
Well, I was looking for something new to play. This news just turned me the heck off. As interest wanes, don’t expect any new blood ( and the potential lost in DLC purchases ) to happen.
Never entrust Sony with your personal information.
NoKor hacked Sony before with relative ease. Imagine how laughable it'd be for Sony to withstand a direct attack from the PRC or RUS.
just use a burner email not that deep bro
@@Sniffs_feet Nothing's a big deal when you're happy to lick Sony boot lol
Sony for security is like hitler trying to help the jews lol
She claimed because in Steam you can have duplicate names that made it harder to ban people.
Every single steam user has a unique gamer number, so that excuse went out the window.
*he renamed his account and privated it what a bunch of clowns lmao
@@Yikeojust because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t mean you should invalidate them. Grow up.
yeah it's fucking pathetic. Not to mention I'm 100% sure steam has some sort of API for devs to use.
Lol @@oliver_3185
Everyone: “We already bought the game, what more do you want?!”
Sony: “Some more of your data”
Sony: "Your soul"
@@Inferryu Sony: "Your joy in life"
@@MEMEVOUS42069 Sony: “your whole life”
@@LividNNeon Sony: "your very existence and its history"
@@Jordsiee One thing is microsoft, another one is sony. sony is way shittier than microsoft because they really want your personal info like id which legally they cant have at all
arrowhead studios: man, we created a beautiful game that become 1 of the greatest multiplayer games in history. there's no way we could lose that reputation
sony: let's change that
"One of the greatest multiplayer games in history" is crazy game is good but not that good
Sony: i'm afraid you're under new management
this is why I think games should not be released in any console. I hate consoles and the companies
Hopefully this will be a lesson to any dev company in the future and to arrowhead to basically avoid having PS as a publisher
the greatest games in history dont lose 75% of their player base in under 3 months.
i love thinly veiled corporate greed with the excuse of security
If it's corporate, it's greedy. Concentrating wealth is inherent to the structure.
you can really sense the cronyism of execs trying to seem "consumer friendly"
Patriot Act defense is what they call it in the industry.
Just like america
@@imp8453duh, if Americas laws were closer to EU on this topic instead of being completely anti consumer we wouldn’t deal with this
This should serve as a warning sign to indie developers. Don’t let Sony be your producer.
Ye who wants massive success this will blow over in days and all the so called boycotters will go back to playing.
@@MajieB They lost 100,000 concurrent players BECAUSE OF A RAILGUN NERF. And they haven’t been back.
The number of concurrent players was around 430,000 at launch. That dropped to 300,000 after their first “balancing update”
And now they’re down to about 230,000 concurrent players.
THEN THIS SHIT HAPPENS.
How many Indie studios are getting f*cked over by Sony?
I remember Hello Games also got beaten up because Sony pushed them to release the game sooner after the indie studio got hit by a heavy flood. And after the game was heavily dunked, they just abandoned them.
Now Arrowhead. Sadly now they got beaten up because of decision made by higher-ups at Sony.
or Microsoft
@@bogan8865 And now, there's only around over 10,000 playing, atleast from my calculations of the diver count on the planets
The irony of how Sony quite famously refused cross-platform play for games like minecraft partly due to it needing a account connected Xboxes network is not lost on me.
Most companies are hypocrites who make ironic choices
@@GrievousRebornits called they gave up because thats what people wanted. Now its here and people are upset. Whats new.
@@GrievousReborn Sony is the *only* company who pisses the bed anytime something good comes to fruition. Bethesda wanted Fallout 4 mods on *all* consoles? It was Sony who shat themselves at that sight. Crossplay? You just spit right in Sony's mouth.
@@WillParker322 For steam users it is new to be required to have an account to a network that is actually a console users based platform. Beside that it is not new for many PC/Steam users to react annoyed to any company demanding another log in into another service/launcher to be able to play the game.
@@Chareidos Yeah, it's shit like that that made me stop playing GTA 5 and RDR 2, as well as just feeling too agrieved to play EA stuff, sometimes
Sony that destroyed the music industry?
Sony that destroyed the movie industry?
They're ruining the gaming industry now?
Say it ain't so.
Its like the reverse of Microsoft. Where Microsoft keeps Xbox on life-support, Playstation keeps Sony on life-support. Without Playstation, Sony would have gone bankrupt or sold out by now.
theyre collecting infinity stones at this point, what industry will the come after next?
F in the chat for good games
@@Zoopop13 Either sports or restaurants. Sony is the bane of modern entertainment.
Just say you hate Sony already since you want to start lying about them destroying the movie industry. 😂
I was affected by the Sony PS3 hack of 2011.
I never forgot because my Identity was stolen and i had to deal with ID theft attempts for the next 10 years
It’s impossible to steal someone’s identity from hacking their PlayStation account. No SSN, DL number, Birth Certificate, etc…
Edit: unless they used the PlayStation info to reverse engineer your info by giving it to a gullible bank employee for example and claiming to have forgotten the rest. It’s very illegal for them to give away your info because you claim you forgot, but sometimes employees fuck up and believe the person.
@@alliedbrandon1355 Factually untrue. In some nations you HAVE to put that stuff in there (UK, for example), and even then you only need some of that info and not all of it. Someone tried to steal 1,000 USD from me because I had a debit card attached to my PSN account back in the early 2010's, and had to fight Sony to be able to get it back despite it being clear fraud (somehow, living in the US means I can make purchases from Argentina, according to Sony).
And no online too lmao
I had to read this twice because it didn't make sense the first time I read it. It still doesn't 😂
@@alliedbrandon1355 Clearly you don't know how far the psn hacks affected users then.
Sony fumbled this worse than how I fumbled my relationship due to playing Helldivers 2 so much. Now I miss her…
Actually fumbled her for nothing thats crazy
I won't even lie, fumbling a relationship for a video game is actually crazy
Touch grass bro
"It feels like ages agoat..."
If touch grass needed a example😂
You can do better than this bro
Sony has caused me three credit and debit card changes in the last 10 years with how "secure" they claim to be. I dont want to associate anything with Sony.
Why would you want to keep a card number that long anyways lmao
@@WillParker322 Why wouldn't you? You change your phone number every year too?
@@WillParker322 His card number is legit then.
Dont ever downplay other when they being a good citizen man, thats low.
@@WillParker322 Because it's annoying to have to go through every single shopping or payment account and change the info, particularly if you miss one on an auto payment and then suddenly get hit with late payment fines when they try to use the now inactive old card.
@@WillParker322this is a wild response
The most terrifying words that no gamer wants to hear: "I'm from the publisher and I'm here to help."
Not gonna lie I laughed out loud when I read this, nice job 😅
🤣🤣
Ronnie would be proud of your iteration.
"be not afraid"
Damn , amount of companies that mess up in 2024 is kinda insane , this should be a world record or something.
That's because they're playing for ESG not the actual customers.
The push back must continue.
state of gaming 2024
@@monad_tcp You are missing the forest for the trees, my friend. Companies, especially today, are interested in quarterly growth above all else. No long term planning, just perpetual stock growth. This is why these companies are making increasingly nonsensical moves. They are willing to destroy their brand in the long term if it means pleasing shareholders right now.
@@monad_tcpThe ESG made gamers more aware and increased the backlash of any problem tenfold, but they aren't the main vilain here, at least until we have more information.
The good part is the conversation about "This company has billions of user we will never be able to bankrupt them" is almost gone. People are pissed and finally started to vote whith their wallets.
Nah they just like to play with fire for a 25% chance the community doesn't backlash then get surprised when its that 75% other time, I bet they knew this from the start and wanted to play chance for that sweet data/user collection.
They never said it was "temporarily optional". People caught Sony lying about this with Waybackmachine screenshots. What Sony did is against the law. Now they destroyed one of the best games in the last 10+ years, ruined a small studio's reputation, and killed off a massive player base in response to boycotting the game and Sony as a whole. All of this just to bring all the people over to PSN accounts lmao. They just became the newest game company to join the list of EA, Blizzard, Bethesda, Ubisoft, etc. Screw them!
Somehow, they're worse than EA
What did bethesda do? They just make glitchy games that the community is forced to fix
@@TheSuperRobotMama You are forgetting a lot about the fallout 76 debacle. They scammed their customers.
@@TheSuperRobotMama they pour out slop lol
@@TheSuperRobotMamait took them over half a year to deliver _canvas_ bags to fallout 76 power armor edition preorder holders, remember?
Reminder: Sony has such a terrible security that your old assigned middle school locker is more secure than their servers.
Sony's security is fine, its just its more publicized when its breached. In the same time span Microsoft has had over 200 data breaches. They just are better at burying it. So your email address is going to belong to data brokers regardless of who you have accounts with. If you link your steam account and sony gets hacked, all they get is your email, and your steam account number, which is a nothingburger of information.
The real issue is that psn accounts don't work in many countries. So all those people who bought the game just get fucked.
Our lockers in MS and even HS did not even have locks on them and yet I feel they were still more secure than Sony's servers.
Multiple data breaches, with the last 1 being only 6 months ago
Sony support is the worst
@@Jormungrandrserpent They cant protect your datas without _Malware_ on your PC.. like back in the early 2000s
I wish steam would just come out and tell anyone who wants to sell a game on their platform that third party signups are not allowed. So what if some developers decide not to sell on steam? With how popular steam is, developers will think twice before trying to do this.
If Sony accidentally drags them into a lawsuit over this (INAL, but it could happen if the players in the No-PSN-Allowed countries started legal action), I think Sony might find Valve telling them real fast to reverse their position or find ALL their games removed from Steam.
@@RookMeAmadeus steam already kicked the door down and delisted a lot of countries from helldivers. This is due to them getting hit by a lot of legitimate refunds.
valve specifically allows this.
You have to remember Steam isn’t just a gaming platform but a software platform.
You can download video editing software or 3D modeling software from them as-well
this is me with NFS games or any EA games
no fucking thanks we finally have crossplay and cross progression in lot of games due to account linking so i can always play with my friends on any platform. They should just not make it mandatory
Not linking a PSN account is one of the major reasons why the game is so successful.
@@fenix144 Look at you pointing out the obvous, now fly away captain.
@@fenix144I wish people like you a very nice humor
@@fenix144if linking was requiered from the get go, it would not be this successful.
Tumor*
@@fenix144 A lot of people (including me) didn't refund the game at launch because PSN was optional, and the steam forums being flooded by people saying exactly that reflects it.
From a quality perspective, yes, the success it has is because of the good gameplay. But launch would've gone MUCH worse and would've seen a massive increase in refunds if it happened to me mandatory from the start.
If you buy Doom or Doom 64 on Switch you’re forced to sign into a Bethesda account. For a game from the early 90’s without any online functionality. 💀
atleast bethesda doesn’t get breached every 3 years, still don’t fw them doing that though.
It’s really sony fucking over a great game
Unfortunately. My glowing review was changed to "game is great, Sony being Sony killed this game."
not that big of a deal😭😭😭
I too just put in a review, best game of the year, only to have Sony to fuck it up"
says alot, but not surprising, a billion dollar corporation that has weak cybersceurity infrastructure left that probably a high schooler with a vintage linux can hack playstation
And the devs
Trying to get a password recovery email from sony is like to squeeze water from charcoal
Sony Playstation Network vs Google / RUclips:
Fighting who has the absolute worst account recovery system
tried getting my password reset and i have to insert the birthday i entered when i was a kid in like 2009 lmao
"Drawing blood from concrete" is the saying I'm familiar with 👍
ea would have no problems with that, would even some squeeze money out of the charcoal to boot
Why would you though? F that shit. Pat Sony on the back while you're at it
The difference between Steam getting hacked and Sony getting hacked is the frequency. I didn't have to get a new debit card when Steam was hacked, so obviously it didn't leak all that much info. I hear millions of people had to cancel the cards they had linked to their PSN accounts because of their leaks.
Agree, happened to me around 2018 when FFXIV not available on steam yet and need to buy subscription on the PSN (Console). When the hackers hit not long after that i got massive purchase on my credit card and locked out from my PSN account (someone change the password), luckily i can void/refund through the bank and block my card for that purchase. After that i ditch my console and full PC gamers till now.
Never ever happen to my steam since 2012, fuck Sony tho.
Zero user data was leaked
Only sale numbers and company info were leaked
Frequency doesn't matter when it never happened
Hm
Sony delisted the game in all countries where PSN is unavailable.
I’ve been gaming my whole life, and I’ve never seen a publisher treat a development studio with such malice.
I'm starting to wonder if Sony was jealous of Arrowhead getting all the attention and did this on purpose as sabotage
the GIANT difference between this, and ANY other game requirering 3rd party account is: they are actually required on all thoses other game.
So if you don't wanna do it => you can refund within the 1st 10 mins. Sames goes for "oh, i can buy the game but i can't create an account because of my country"
Steam refund system act as a failsafe. Here, SONY is circunventing steam's refund system.
If something is a requirement: it mean it is essential and you cannot do without. If you can do without: then it is NOT a requirement. If it says it is on the store page anyway, then it's just false advertisment
Exactly. The moment I heard about the requirement, I tried to refund. Denied because I had 2.2 hours played. Tried a request to an actual support person. Also denied. Get fucked Sony
My thoughts exactly. If Sony couldn't handle the influx of players, due to the PSN Login debacle, then the game should have been pulled from Steam, until it was ready. This is pure bait & switch. If you wanna play a Microsoft game, you gotta log in with an account. No ifs, ands, or buts....
@@mikea5745 if you bought it on steam, you can ask for a refund to steam, just keep trying, it sometimes takes a couple attempts, but ive seen plenty of refunds go through with hundreds of hours played
@@mikea5745 Initiate a chargeback though your credit card.
@@Zanduras1 that's a surefire way to get permabanned
The amount of Sony meat riding I’ve seen defending this decision is actually insane. “It’s just a few extra clicks” or “what’s the big deal!”
@therotten6152 steam support was the best support i had compared to any other company, like when i got my steam hijacked they managed to figure it out so quick then once my rockstar got hijacked only for them to basically tell me "fuck you and shut up"
Just a few clicks so some guy from nowhere can use your credit card and play your steam games
Better question: If it's no big deal, why is it needed? This game has ran perfectly fine on PC without PSN linking since launch. The winning play would've just been to completely drop any mention of the requirement. Don't mind the trolls, or the people with zero comprehension skills.
you might be able to make a bullshit Sony account, cheat, get banned, then make another Sony account. well if there's a way to unlink your steam account.
Bro for REAL. It's _insane._
We went from "Arrowhead is a self-made studio" to "We rent helldivers from sony so we don't have any say" pretty damn quick. I really hope every developer learns from this and avoids Sony as a partner or publisher going forward.
Edit* This really is a case of having the customer sign over the rights to a third party to ban them from a game they bought on Steam. I don't want Sony, a company more censorious than Nintendo for the last decade, to have the ability to lock me out of a Steam game. This change offers nothing to the user, they specifically said the problem they have is the ability to ban steam users, but by forcing you to have a PSN account they can ban you without even asking Steam for permission. It's 1000% anti-consumer.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Anyways, even the devs are saying to pressure Sony so that they can argue to make the account link optional.
sadly sony owns the helldivers ip im pretty sure so yea they have the power
When I first loaded up the game on February 19th 11 days after the game came out it told me it required me to link to a psn account which I looked up and the people that also had to at the time didn't really seem to care but suddenly now it's an issue like I don't understand you people because it says required the first time you boot up the game though of course you could just skip it and forget about it but it's just on you at this point for not understanding what required ends up meaning
@@revenge3265 Less than a month ago, there was controversy among the helldivers community regarding the balance of bugfixes to warbonds, and players were concerned that they had to deliver a warbond per month because of their contract with Sony. The CEO specifically said on twitter that they own the studio and are not beholden to shareholders or Sony. So you are right, I know nothing, but the CEO sure as shit isn't helping clarify the situation when they basically lied. "Technically we own the studio, but not the helldivers IP" is weasel words of the highest order. Now they say they just wanna make great games, but that's clearly not true because if they cared about their product they would be issuing refunds for every single customer who doesn't want this. Instead they are happy to take money for a product many literally can't play anymore, and that plenty of others will refuse. If you think I'm wrong tell it to the 198 THOUSAND negative reviews on steam over the past two days.
and go where exactly, microsoft? lol
Sony ruined Helldivers.
This is one of major reasons why piracy thrives in PC gaming.
You want to be a good person and support game developers, you buy the game, but in order to play even a single player you have to use online connection at all time, use launchers that work in the background, on top of that during your gameplay "anti-cheat or anti-piracy" software keeps running in the background scanning your PC and slowing it's performance.
Then someone downloads pirated version of the game and voila, no launchers, no 3rd party software running in the background, much better performance and higher FPS, no need to stay online or having internet connection at all.
And then Gaming Industry complains and cries about piracy -__- THEY ARE THE REASON PEOPLE GO AFTER IT.
I bought Hogwarts Legacy day 1, but due to it's bad performance on PC's in the first two weeks (thanks to denuvo), I played and finished entire game playing on pirated version, wtf is this.
It's a fallacy that "supporting devs" comes from buying games. In many situations in life - that's not how financing works. Many companies get paid up front TO develop the game, they OWE money to the publisher. Yes you are helping but you are helping them pay their debts. It's a different thing. It's like - instead of encouraging more of the same from developers (as I'm sure many customers believe their purchases DO) - you are more voting for the management of the studio and putting money down on their continued efforts to... maybe make more games? ... Maybe not? ... HellDivers 2 was not bankrolled by that studio on their own. They have bills, and "support" has little to do with that math.
"make a psn account"
You: this is why piracy is good
@@melxvee6850 Sony: Gets hacked nearly every other year leaking customer financial and other sensitive information.
You: What's your problem guys? Everything's fine.
@@user-c4b9b for indi games you are quite often directly supporting the devs cause the team is so small that they just split the profits. For larger indies they might not do that but they still require the sucess of the game to pay their employies. Sure large game companises might not go under if a game flops but they might lay off a significant amount of the workforce.
@@melxvee6850 think you missed the part where he talked about online single-player and anti-cheat/anti-piracy software knee-capping performance. reading helps you understand the point someone is making, read his and use what he actually said to oppose him
It's straight up like a rug pull in like 130 countries lol.....
(Update)=== STEAM just delisted 177 locations from the storefront so correction SONY basically forced Arrowhead to rug pull 177 locations basically 2/3rds of the globe lol.
@@velyrisLmfao
dang i'm telling ya, this corporation needs payback
Live in a better country
- Sony/AH unironically
They didn't stop the purchases from those countries
Helldivers 2 is a scam
As soon as I get home. Im about to report the game for financial fraud
@NicitoStaAna the devs have nothing to do with this stop blaming ah they are actively fighting this
Actually, you are wrong. PSN accounts are available in every country of the world without a VPN for free. That’s a better ratio than the availability of McDonalds.
A helldivers 2 developer did say leave a bad review on Steam if you're angry about this
Community Manager, not dev
chad arrowhead vs virgin soyny
Yeah the devs basically they said they don't want this either and the review bomb could bring Sony to the negotiating table
@@atrane365 isn't community Managers job to represent the game devs?
@@atrane365 I'm sorry an article I read said it was a game developer
*Costumer:* I paid you money and bought Helldivers 2but I live in a country that doesn't have PSN so now I can't play it
*Sony:* Sounds like a *SKILL ISSUE* to me.
5:30
How it used to be:
- Buy a game
- Install the game
- (Log in?)
- Play the game
How it is now:
-Make an account(And sign away all your private information for no reason)
-Buy the game
-Download the game
-Install the game
-Open the game
-Make a second account(And sign away even more private information to ANOTHER person)
-Play the game... which you don't own because it's "live service"
-Buy all the DLC(You don't own this either)
-Download all the DLC
-Install all the DLC
-Play the DLC and game, which you don't own.
Man.
You forgot now running multiple DRM that require an always on internet connection.
@@xkblxcrippleas well as a kernel level anti cheat being required, even though the game is a 4 player pve co-op game.
i purchase none of that, its your fault kiddo...
- Hopefully YOUR internet connection is stable, even with SIngleplayer.
- Hopefully the game servers are stable, including on Singleplayer.
- Even though you don't own anything at all, you are annoyed to buy something else in the in-game store, which is constantly shown to you, so that even more things... don't belong to you.
- While more and more studios are laying off their developers and many games are losing quality, you are being asked to pay a constantly increasing price because of "increasing costs"
@@GentleWruzzPuppetlmao
Arrowhead CEO is making the absolute biggest gambit in gaming history
Hideo Kojima's gonna be kicking himself on this one, like, *"Damnit! Why didn't I think of using review-bombs to fight against my new masters? ITS GENIUS!!!!"*
FR!!! Imagine what could've happened if MGS 5 was review-bombed
We could've had a complete game!!
But hey at least Kojima's independent now and he's still making great shit so it's not all bad ig
...
WAAAAAAIIIIIIT A MINUTE!!!
What if Arrowhead just branched off Sony entirely. Afaik neither the franchise nor the company is directly owned by Sony, so Arrowhead could just branch out and self-publish to do things completely and utterly however *THEY* want, which we *KNOW* will be good considering how goated they've behaved with us and how much they've acknowledged the problems the game has. They have the money too! This is probably the most played game in the world in years, not to mention the live service component. AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING US THE XBOX REINFORCEMENTS FASTER TOO!
*WIN-WIN-WIN*
@@pauldelol The HELLDIVERS IP is owned by Sony. So they will have to buy that.
@@pauldelol They wouldn't be able to because the Helldivers IP is owned by Sony.
@@pauldelol Well we have to wait for the exclusive publishing deal to expire first. Which could take months, if not years.
@@firstoffproductions1462 Damn
I just got reminded of it cuz The Wonderful 101 was originally exclusive to the Wii U, but PlatinumGames wanted to port it to other consoles. Since Nintendo didn't allow it, they branched out, self-published, and now we have it on PS4 and PC. I was hoping Arrowhead could maybe do the same, cuz not only it'll port it to Xbox but they'd be fully independent to do whatever the fuck they want xD
Edit: The Wonderful 101's ports were also financed through crowdfunding, which in the case of Helldivers is a fucking cakewalk considering how many ppl would donate to them to support them in that idea
The devs handed Sony a three star Michelin meal on a silver platter.
Sony took a shit on it.
What were those "technical reasons" why they couldn't have done this from the start? Or did Sony just suddenly realize they had a golden goose that was left unfucked and saw an opportunity to exploit a fan base for greed?
Free business advice for Sony:
"Hey, Helldivers, link your PSN account and get this exclusive Super Dope Uber Citizen armor set and cape."
Same result for Sony, minimal backlash.
UPD. Ofcourse PSN account should stay optional for this approach to work.
I don't think the people who can't even make a PSN account would appreciate it, free armor set or not
Plus it doesn’t deny people in non-psn regions like make of Africa the ability to play this game
Giving incentives and not requirements will always be the better option. People can avoid psn if they are worried about security, a lot of people will still get PSN for freebies, and as said above, people in certain regions without PSN can keep playing the game
@@bloodmoonangel8925 that's what I meant by "minimal backlash".
Exactly! why didn't they just go for a mobile-game-esque rewards, maybe even a daily login reward for this. A considerable amount of people won't bat an eye and create one, those who prefer not to are still fine and didn't really lose anything.
so basically sell your soul like Mr. Krabs to spongebob for 62c cents
A player from China tried to link their psn acc with false info got banned in Helldivers 2 for using a VPN
I heard about that. I've read that Sony actually has it written into their EULA that players cannot use VPNs. So ridiculous.
They don't want the people who legally bought the game to figure out a way to legally play the game.
Hot take but - China should have it's own PSN, Steam, Internet - everything. They shouldn't be allowed to play games with people who aren't also in China. Chat stream calling -ok obviously but GAMING? No. For real how do we answer this cultural issue that encourages cheating, among other equally unpleasant things?
VPNs are illegal in China and overall China is completely different compared to any other region. I'd take the China ban as a grain of salt
@@navioner
Nope, you're not allowed to use VPNs because they have region locking and you're bypassing it. I don't agree with the region locking BS at all but it's w/e
AH came back and said they're working to make it so residents of unsupported countries would still be able to play. This nullifies their entire argument that it's so necessary for our own good.
It also means that whatever solution they come up with for "unsupported countries" (noting it's only Sony's requirement that's unsupported - Steam works perfectly fine), they'd need to offer to other PC players as well anyway - making the PSN requirement pointless.
@@medea27no they won’t need to make it available to everyone else
They made the game unavailable on steam in countries that can't use psn lmao
@@kristiankonev5190this. Their solution now is just “fuck you”. And anyone with more than 2 hours ain’t getting a refund
@@kristiankonev5190 We don't know if this is a Sony, Arrowhead or a Valve decision. My money is on it being a Valve decision, wanting to avoid further influx of support tickets and refund requests from non-PSN-supported countries until Sony can pull their head out their ass and resolve this situation.
Remember that time you couldn't play FO3 on PC because Games for Windows live wasn't "compatible" with windows 10 even if you bought it on Steam?
Remember how it was that way for 8 years?
I feel like this quickly going to head that way.
so to ArrowHead, Im sorry to say, It was fun while it lasted.
Wait you meant it isn’t still that way? I still can’t get Fo3 to work on steam and that’s AFTER I’ve done everything Bethesda said to do.
@@justinmclaughlin9676 They fixed it a year or two ago. May want to try a reinstall
The irony that Sony pulled a tarkov and changed their words on their website
Yeah making people sign into a free PlayStation account is the same as taking $150 from your customers then asking for $250 more
@@devinbishop8663 You know how that taking of the money resulted? Because they changed the wording!
The £250 had a lot of new benefits including a DLC that was suppose to be included with the £150 (as said on their website) then they changed it, thus pretty much the same scenario, taking money from the countries that no longer can access the game due to a PSN account being required, thus they lost their money, as steam are declining the majority of refunds due to time played
@@devinbishop8663 r/woooosh
@@devinbishop8663 Some mistakes there, let me fix it for ya
*signing into an unsecure PSN account, where people have lost their personal data and money MULTIPLE times in the past, which in forcing you to join it to your Steam account puts you Steam account in danger too... See the problem now? I don't want a company to be so cheap on their security that they ultimately dox me and lose me my money, which Sony is perfectly capable of doing, since they've done so already MULTIPLE times.
Nothing "ironic" about that. You might not believe me but "Tarkov" didn't invent that little trick.
Can't wait to pay a PS+ subscription to play a PC game sometime in the future
PSN account is totally free lol PS+ is entirely different as a subscription service
Shhh don’t give SIE any ideas because that definitely sounds like something that would happen.
You literally don't even understand what you're being asked to do
@@big.gib.4L and this is the first step on their way to adding it to their PC games
@@big.gib.4L I am aware it's free but what's to stop them from putting a subscription later to play sony games online?
Why is banning such an issue anyway? It's a PVE game, just kick the cheater/griefer. We can handle it ourselves already.
Given the psn outage, and the whoopsie daisy of losing 77 million accounts, including their bank card details, i can see why people are hesitant.
I think the reason why this flared up the way it has is twofold:
1: They dumped this on a lot of players that thought that it wasn't mandatory to link accounts, and the fact that you could skip linking when they prompted you (if they prompted you at all, they didn't for me) made players think that you didn't have to.
2: It is legitimately a great game, and people do not want to lose it or make it more complicated than it is, also as a side note, we do not know what Sony will do in the future if they succeed with this.
3: the community has been trained to mass go after an objective and the major order fuck Sony just came in
I know. So do we all. Every single PlayStation PC port will now be required to make a PSN account.
Re No. 1 - without it detracting at all from people's right to be angry here, it is the player's fault if they thought it wasn't going to become mandatory at some point. The game tells you this from the get-go, and as mentioned in this very video, it was only disabled to help server stability at launch. Anyone who didn't read or understand that only has themselves to blame for being *surprised* now. They can still blame Sony and Arrowhead though for the original decision to require linked accounts, since it is only a detriment to Steam players.
3, Playstation Accounts have very little mileage on PC. "But other companies like Ubisoft have account requirements all the time" but yeah, that's the thing, it's well established, and with a Ubisoft or EA account, you can play a lot of games, but a PS acc doesn't have those options which makes it NOT worth the security risk. And with a Microsoft account, that has a million goddamn uses at this point, so you get tons of mileage. You get none of that with Playstation.
I'm not annoyed by necessarily needing an account for certain games, IF there's good cause. This does NOT have good cause and is needlessly putting so much as risk.
@MrJakeasaur98 then why sell to countries where the option to have PSN doesn't exist? Keep in mind there's a record of Sony banning folks for using VPN to lie about their location so that option is a wash too.
At that point, mandatory PSN for a game that has a playerbase that cant legit do PSN even if they wanted is effectively stealing third worlder and even some EU citizens' money.
I literally can't play EA games anymore because my account somehow ended up in this unusable state, where no matter what I do, I can't login. All of my EA games are unplayable.
I feel you. I hate that shit.
I can't play Warzone because one time in the past i migrated my account to a US one to play HotS with some friends from Canada, and i forgot about it, and now when i try to login to Warzone it asks me for a mobile phone verification, phone that i did not have assigned before, and locked to +1 US region code, so i can't even put my own phone number in. And to make it even better, i can't migrate back to EU cuz the sistem is different now, and i need to ... and im serious... NEED TO SEND THEM A RECENT BILL THAT HAS MY CURRENT HOME ADDRESS..... WTF? I don't want or like Warzone that much to make a new account or send them my electricity bills... wtf is this shit?!
Get refunded
Had the same thing happened with Ubisoft like a good 10 years ago, back when they called it Uplay. Couldn't log in, because my password didn't work. The recovery e-mail never arrived. When I looked up how can I ask help with my password recovery, the site told me to contact support... which you can only contact using an active account. And making duplicate account was against the ToS, punishable by permanent bans. So, yeah. I gave up and decided then and there that never again will I pay for anything published by Ubisoft.
same with ubisoft
I don’t want to make a PS account if I bought a gaming computer, and actively use steam as my platform. It pissed me off when rocket league went to epic games, and this stuff still pisses me off to this day. I just want to use 1 service for my games that start with 1 service.
You need to just accept that you can't have that, several companies all have their own launchers for games that, even on Steam, requires you to make an account with them, you can't have everything in 1 place, get over it
@JowoeBunchaNumbers sure we can. We just won't buy their games. Simple.
@JowoeBunchaNumbers Do you know why you have no likes? It's because the studios who try to force that eat shit afterwards. Why don't many of people have KH on PC? Because Epic Games exclusively killed its sales.
@@ludicritsthat’s not happening let’s be real.
@@jaronmarles941I hate when people use two letter abbreviations for games expecting people to know like wtf is KH?
They JUST made an announcement in their discord that they won't be moving forward with the account linking
When I’m in a fumbling the easiest bag known to man competition and my opponent is Sony:
The difference between Helldivers 2 and every other game that has historically required a secondary account, is that HD2 had the requirement disabled almost from the start for technical reasons, but thousands upon thousands of players had no idea that it was actually a thing because both developer and publisher sources of info for whether it was mandatory or would be mandatory *were not consistent or implied it would not be required*.
Never mind the fact that PSN is so notoriously unsecured that touching it might give you the plague.
@@ErdeZ I would honestly agree with this sentiment if, for example, the FAQ hadn't previously read that it was not required.
@@ErdeZ yeah but the main question is WHY IT WAS SOLD IN COUNTRIES NOT SUPPORTED BY PSN?
@@ErdeZ Dude, listen to yourself. I'm going to start adding boxes to every website you visit that you have to scroll down to see that say that you have to give me 30 dollars. Pay up.
@@ErdeZ Make it easier for consumers to be aware of things, not the other way around. When you are about to buy a game, you don't read stuff that you have to scroll down to. And even if it was visible, a light orange box doesn't attract the eye. And no it's not a generational issue " zoomers ", I'm not wasting brain energy for reading stuff, that most of which will be 95% useless anyway... Me, you, a 40 year old guy, won't read. Blame the consumers when the game markers have put in the effort, but not when the consumer simply wants to buy a game they heard nice reviews from.
Maybe that's idealist, but it should be that way. If you prepare yourself to bullshit and do not try to make things go in the right direction, then don't even complain. Consumers aren't the problem here.
@@uhmmmFU Or I'd just do like I did with Helldivers 2 and see it came with bundled kernel level anti-cheat (listed first) and PS account linkage requirement and not pay it. Warnings, that btw, are always at the same spot on the Steam store. But hey, you do you, fam.
As someone whose a part of the Playstation community. Push back against this completely and ignore the defenders. My community has alot of console fanboys who would defend Sony regardless of them being in the wrong simply because they don't want bad publicity about their favorite company it's pathetic and harms improvement. There's 0 reason for this to even be a thing and I wouldn't be surprised if Sony attempted to someday in the future implement a way for Pc gamers to require Playstation plus in order to play their 1st party online titles in the future.
I think anyone who defends a large corporation is just stupid. They have enough money and lawyers to defend themselves, MOST companies these days are shitty, some more than others. I'm not a fanboy of any company. I buy what's good now, and if some other company comes along later that's better I'll buy from them. Customer loyalty went out years ago when companies became anit-consumer.
Sony even has a patent to monitor it's users biometrics and then ban them automatically if they reach certain thresholds. It's pretty dystopian.
Loyality to a large corporation is for me one of the stupidest thing ever, when your work for them and they pay you "fair" fine.. but as consummer? fuck that, that company gives a flying fuck about you when you dont pay anymore, "loyal customer" are often just "Nice we can now lower or quality without losing money :) "
@@kohlicoide2258 The advantage of simping for a corporation instead of simping for an e-girl is that you're guaranteed to eventually be fucked by the object of your affections.
@@desertdude540 True.. i see the point :D
You know, I was already suspicious of Helldivers 2 since launch, given that it is an always-online game that requires a purchase and was launched around the time of The Crew’s shutdown. I was already expecting it to be review bombed for this reason. I am glad people are standing up to this issue.
They could've avoided the backlash completely if they didn’t make the account linking mandatory (or at least, announce it on day 1, and actually added some skin as a reward for doing so. They killed it's future revenue in the worst way possible by reminding the players that Sony is, in fact, holding the leash.
This. I was actually thinking about getting the game for a while now, but I guess not.
We're angry because on Sony's own website they had the UELA state "account linking for all games is completely optional."
They changed it without notifying anyone to "required for select games."
We're angry because they pulled a Tarkov
It was actually there on day 1, but you had to read into things a bit further than most people would.
@@chriscoleman7260some countries that PSN is in literally require an ID, facial recognition, or passport number. Please name me in what game does EA Ubisoft or epic require you to give them your national ID? Also named me another company that has had as many hacks as Sony has had? No one should trust them with their data.
@@notknownlogic4161if it was there day 1 then they HAVE TO give a refund to the other countries where the PSN network isn't allowed. Every Chinese, Russian, Korean gamer deserves there money back 100% for taking what was bought
6:04 fun fact, I scanned that QR code, and it logged me into my old account I didn't want to log into because I accidentally made it a family account when I was in middle school. It never gave me a choice of which one of my two accounts to log into. Helldivers 2 also did not have a function for me to switch accounts OR unlink the account, and the only way for me to delete a PSN account was to sit through Customer Support on the phone for 3 hours to get them to do it for me. That process SCREAMS to me that Sony is an outdated company, and the fact they get hacked further supports that. I had to PURCHASE and INSTALL a completely different Sony game to switch my accounts, AND I THINK IT DIDN'T WORK! Thankfully Steam's policies allow for refunds.
Can we get a f***ing break? We just want to have fun...
Conveniences are accidents And inconveniences have purpose. That they have a very crippled customer service just like everything is because they want you to just buy the game again instead of going through all that pain in the a.
Rule of Acquisition #1: Once you have their money, _never give it back._
Them saying linking accounts provides safety is like cops telling people in the ghetto its safe to sleep with the windows and doors open
Helldivers 2: One of the only live service games that is actually successful, literally a money printing machine.
Sony:
A lot of people keep playing in hopes of Sony backing off and making it optional because they enjoy it and they've made friends there. You're 100% correct on the lie being told about safety and Sony and the devs defending this move need to own up to the truth. Every time they say "it's for safety" they insult everyone who isn't a moron.
@@genericman1966 The prices of making deals with Devils. You don't get to blame them while hiding the contract you signed. Consequences will arrive at some point and that point is Now.
I feel like most people are still playing until the doomsday timer hits 0.
Once they force mandate the PSN linking, I would expect a dip in player base due to it on Steam.
Chances are the people still playing are the ones wanting to play as much as they can before the linking becomes mandatory, which is when they'll leave
I’m one of them. Just one last hurrah 🎉
Lmao cope. The 48hr dips on steam charts prove you guys are wasting your time. cmon babe, one more time. Sad
I am one of these people.
one last hurrah for freedom
That’s what I’m doing. If Sony don’t back down I’m done and will move onto another game (there are like 50 in my backlog)
Sony put some people in a situation where they have to violate TOS to access their purchased product. That is illegal somewhere somehow.
Blizzard also asks for very suspicious information when you change the plaform region area ( country ) which is illegal in many parts of europe. For example, blizzard asks for passport info, which again, is illegal to provide that info and yet somehow people go along with it cause they wanna play their precious game.
We as people need to really up our game on being protective of our information.
If it asks for very valuable information, it isn't worth it. There are probably better games on the horizon.
What’s so baffling about this is how similar it is to the Tarkov Unheard controversy not even a WEEK ago. Arrowhead actually poked fun of BSG on Twitter for it.
Sony changed their website so that a clause saying that PSN accounts were “optional”, now says that SOME games (pretty much only Helldivers 2) REQUIRE an account. Being done AFTER the the requirement came down is beyond scummy.
not to mention apparently the EULA had ZERO mentions about psn being required too, may have changed it though after this.
Sony really finding tbe worst decisions and saying "ight put it in the game"
Occam's Razor suggests this is for nefarious purposes, given Sony's history. They may want to boost their PSN as well. HD2 was too good to be true. In the last decade, I've played Elden Ring and HD2. That's it. Dayum.
Is it cus they want some data collection like every other company or something else?
@@neotokyo2418 that and more to show a growth in Playstation Network users to shareholders probably, because even on the console there aren't many games that justify people having an active PSN account.
So with Helldivers 2 being so successful, they want to bring in PC players to bump those numbers up.
Artificial inflation of user numbers, to give the impression of the service's growth. "Look how many people joined our service in this month! We're doing a great job!". Lately Sony's fuckups have resulted in lots of people canceling their subscriptions, so they're desperate to try to bring back those numbers even if it means strong-arming devs into doing things they may be opposed to do. I guarantee they didn't ask Arrowhead nicely, or at the very least they alluded to shutting down the psn servers. If you think you hate Sony, you will realize you don't hate them enough.
Yes, their end of quarter report comes out 5/14. They trying to boost numbers for the next quarter.
@@Buttz2Buttz 100% Their gonna announce on that date that it isn't mandatory any more...
Took long enough, but now subscribed. Great content, please keep up the good work.
I'm so fed up with tech engineers with a god complex trying to manipulate my behavior and calling it safety.
Its stock holders and executives doing this. Not tech engineers.
@@Geats-IX Incorrect. Not even going to try to explain it to you, mainly because you probably think you know the truth already. You can't learn something you think you already know.
@@Geats-IX tech engineers are responsible too, without them this shit would not exist
@@zedeon6299
Nope. you just need a low level supervisor to implement a third party launcher into an existing game
@@Geats-IX sounds like you're trying to focus the blame, even though everyone involved in making this happen are equally responsible
The only way Sony could make the situation worse is if they also required an active Playstation Plus subscription. I wouldn't be surprised if that would come next. Greed has no limits.
We can’t truly have anything can we 😔
"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"
"And you will be happy.".
All by design..
You have to kneel before the modern audiences, even if they don't consume/bother with the product, you still have sanitize everything for them.
That's what I said to my friend. It's so true. Every game.
BOYS THEY JUST LIFTED THE PSN REQUIREMENT
We need to make sure platforms like GOG keep going. While yes, they have a DRM launcher, all games on GOG are sold with a DRM free copy of the game.
thats why if game is gog i buy it there over steam
Except that it's ran by Polish DEI-baiters for American investor money that ban entire countries to virtue signal to them. Kind of like what happened to Finish creators of Alan Wake and Max Payne.
this needs to be a law for all game store fronts
You didn't cover that in the released FAQ about account linking in the HD2 discord that the devs released, had a statement about not having PSN in your country. Their solution was to go to another country lmao. Pathetic.
People got banned for that too
@@enthiegavoir5955 yep got friends that got their PSN accounts banned on the last ban wave
They recently said that they were in talks with Sony and said that people in countries not supported by psn won't need it anymore.
I just requested a refund with the following reason "Publisher bait and switch/ cutting off a service I paid for. The developers have announced that they will restrict my access to the game unless I sign up for and use a third-party service and account. This requirement was obfuscated at release and waived for three months, before it was announced as a REQUIREMENT to continue to play the game at all."
@@Daemon125 keep refunding im on my third try lol big poppa valve needs to step in
My refund request was auto denied for having played more than 2 hours. I intend to file complaints with the BBB, State Attorney General's office, and Consumer Protection Bureau. They may have taken my $60 but it will cost them more in administrative fees responding to authorities. Who knows, maybe there will be a office worker somewhere looking to make a case.
they're not going to give you a refund just because you dont want to make a free account
my refund request was denied in under 30 minutes, i will not even be able to play the game here soon but they are allowed to keep my money because i played for 7 hours, 5 of those hours were waiting on a black screen because the devs couldnt even make a working loading screen.
@@r33lsniper18some people from some countries cant make said account, forcing them to not be able to play the game
"The launch was way too successful, we need to fuck it up somehow."
The most insane thing is that they are censuring everything on the official discord lol.
People got banned/timed out for speaking against this and sony or posting how to get a refund.
@@shatteredteethofgod i legit got timed out for a day and i have prob posted less than 10msg in general chat.
Same for others. Mods muted lot of people and kept only a few
@@shatteredteethofgod if one person gets banned it's "everyone" by association.... to some people anyway.
@shatteredteethofgod I mean they banned me for pointing out their lies. Soooooo
A lot of people correctly point out that the whole PSN account linking thing wasn't a secret, but it also was completely and entirely optional and a good chunk of players probably bought the game never thinking that they would have to ever be required to link their accounts later on. If it took *MONTHS* to work out server issues then maybe don't allow people to purchase and play the game under the impression that the account linking is optional during that time.
NO,!!!! steam store page from day one used the word REQUIRED
learn to read and dont cope.
@@maksymilianzajac5262 Relax, no need to be so hostile, this isn't life or death here. What I said is not untrue, the game has been playable for many months with the account link being completely optional, if it took that long to get it working then it's not the consumer's fault, an FAQ even clarified it to be optional.
@@maksymilianzajac5262 But it wasn't required before and the game has been doing excellently without account linking. If Playstation wanted to make it a requirement I would understand but you can't do this half-arsed measure in the year of our lord 2024. Helldivers 2 is a new game and this whole linking accounts stuff has been standard for multiple studios for YEARS! Sony is going to get reamed because the people complaining about this bought the game in a region where PSN isn't serviced. Sony has sold these people a defective product that they scammed their audience with by "temporarily" removing the account linking requirement. Now people can't refund because their playtime is up because Sony didn't just make it mandatory day 1.
I hate that we can't have nice things in the modern age, at this point don't buy a liveservice game without first consulting a lawyer.
There's tons of nice things in life and most of them aren't through a screen. Games suck, better you learn now.
@@thewholething430
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@@ChrisGrump carnage, death and destruction? do you live in mad max by any chance?
PSN is not avaliable in my country.
Me: Can I play the game that i paid for ?
SONY: Do you have a PSN ?
Me: No , PSN in not avaliable in my country.
SONY: Sucks to be you, eat a brick.
Me: But i paid for the game!
SONY: And we are greatfull, but eat a brick.
It’s one thing when a game is added to Steam already having its own launcher and account (warthunder, crossout), and quite another when the game is purchased on Steam and after 4 months requires linking a third-party and useless account unavailable in 2/3 of all countries.
constantly making a account is not only stupid but is way risky in the way you leave so many windows of exposer to getting your info stollen.
Your info is out there regardless of account creation. If you are so worried and you should be, use pseudonyms, have burner emails and use a proper generated password.
@@thewholething430they are still correct the more accounts you have the more avenues that can be hacked
@@thewholething430 This is the same type of surface level thinking as "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." Just because my data may be floating around out there doesn't mean I want every person on the planet to have it.
Thing is, I use a VPN as a security feature on my PC. So, if i now connect a PSN Account on my PC, i could get perma-banned since a VPN is against the terms of service of the PSN.
Sorry but I'm going to be that guy, VPNs DO NOT make you more secure. They just give you a different endpoint, all you need is Windows Defender and common sense.
@@keithpirolo9508they do, though. If you are from a funny country and you don't want to let your provider know where you are going, or if you want to make sure that your services can be accessed only through the particular IP address, your own VPN service can be a good thing.
@@keithpirolo9508that’s definitely a stretch. You should also run Linux since very few people build software to hack it.
@@keithpirolo9508 the most acoustic man on the face of this planet
@@keithpirolo9508 But then you SURELY do know that a VPN Service offers a whole catalogue of Services, not just a VPN
Steam really should ban games requiring 3rd party launchers and accounts. It's really shady af
My biggest problem is how shady it is to suddenly introduce new requirements. If they're willing to make a psn account a requirement why stop there? Why not make everyone get Playstation Plus? They already showed that they dont respect you once.
Publisher: Going to need you to take a picture of your driver’s license, ssn, and 10 nude selfies to continue playing.
That's absolutely the next step...
if they did that I'd call for ddosing of sony's servers
funny to say that, because Ukraine can't make PSN account unless you own the console
@@kaitoarief as if they're not dealing with enough already
That guy who wrote the PSN breach list became a Steam Points millionaire overnight, lol.
AH is def not 100% innocent in this. While the little tiny banner at the store front was technically there, it was optional. There was no community post or announcement stating psn WILL BE REQUIRED once we have fully fixed server etc, they also didnt lock it in countries that are not PSN supported. They literally got there money and are trying to place 100% of the blame on sony. granted its about 80% on Sony but they are not 100% innocent. IF they start issuing refunds I would be more inclined to believe Sony stepped in recently and made this change. Otherwise, this was the plan all along and AH KNEW this was coming and didnt say squat about it, and thats on them.
yeah i filed a refund request even i played many hours i think i deserve my money back also the 1st time in 20 years or so i asked for a refund ..we will see if i get something ? i am 99% sure not ...
Game was recently removed from countries with no PSN access.
@@exia7684 yea, literally like last night or today though. If all those in affected areas get full refunds, regardless of time played, then will I agree that it wasn't AH and solely 100% on Sony.
That doesn’t make sense though.
Ah released the game saying that the ps account was optional BEFORE so many people got their hands on it that they crashed the servers.
If they had predicted that so many people would play the game that the servers would crash, they would have gotten more servers.
What they would not have done is make a necessary account temporary optional as a desperate measure to fix servers that HAVE NOT crashed yet.
that means that the statement that ps accounts not being needed was only a temporary thing was a lie, and they were planning on ps accounts being optional the whole time.
I’m assuming that they lied about it to make it seem like this was planned, and there was not any problems going on behind the scenes.
What I can say is that it is logical to believe that ah is completely innocent.
Edit: it was also in the EULA that a ps account was not needed to play the game. Lying about this would be very illegal.
Edit 2: that first edit was wrong as shit I’m buggin
the requirements were also listed during the purchase process, not at the side or bottom but literally on it's own page...you add to cart click to purchase then i came up on its own page with NOTHING else but these are requirements for the game
Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: nProtect GameGuard
Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account)
Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA
HELLDIVERS 2 EULA
once you agreed to that you could continue to the next page and finish the purchase.
people acting like its a bait and switch are being very dishonest. Three times before you even played the tutorial they were told psn was a requirement
yea in game it let you skip the psn registration, but it said it was only currently optional, It is like a kid not having to make his bed before school because his parents have to leave early to drop him off before an early appointment making the argument that he shouldn't have to ever have to do it again because they let him not do it one or two times....
Game: Doing well
Sony: UNACCEPTABLE
They lived long enough to become the villain, poetry at its finest
a revolution must brew
Well sony has been the billain for a long time
@@nintey9lives550 sony BMG. In 2006 I bought a rock music CD from Sony. It was fine playing in a radio. When inserted into a PC, it tried to connect to the internet to "manage my rights" before I could listen or rip the tracks. It was a class action failure worldwide. Sony's reputation was never the same.
All of the blame is on Sony. It’s like publishers have the absolute perfect formula to select the worst possible decisions known to man when they come across a game that’s actually good.
Edit: A lot ➡️ All
Not Alot... ALL of it.
They still making billions 😅
All publishers do this, however the issue that the dev companies don’t do is read what the contract has (hire a layer if you must since comprehension is something that is loosing it day by day) and then just sign off. I feel for the devs cause even they are throwing the publisher (Sony) under the bus which is good
This whole thing is because of sony
@@itzFinn_ that's not how that works they signed with sony to make the game with sonys ip(helldivers) and sony has all control with the helldivers ip and if sony wanted to they could fire AH twam
And the ceo announced that outside of the PSN areas you will not need the linked account, so I guess its not needed at all, so why are they forcing us?
What do you think? Sony is forcing them to do this so that SONY can get THEIR player numbers up on their console.
they have shareholder meeting soon they need to prove them sony is still worth investing into even it means that numbers is fake (they will show investors psn number are up )
I lost my ps4 account years ago with all the classics , fallout 4 , Skyrim dead island definitive edition dying light loads ,and ever since then I’ve become a pirate I can’t even look in the mirror anymore
The fact that Sony pulled this right after Battlestate Games and its Unheard Edition P2W "feature" is just ballsy.
Man, am I glad that my trust in game devs is so low nowadays that I have to overcome a lot of inner resistance before I jump onto a hyped or trending game.
I dodged another bullet.
Same
They don't have to worry about players filling up the servers anymore after this update
Week 1: hey we went through a massive effort to expand servers! Now we can have millions of players!
Month 2: 💀
Given the history of Sony's security, linking the account to PSN is the exact opposite of increasing the security.