It just occurred to me that if I had been Riker, wondering what to do about the Pegasus, the logical holodeck program to run would be not about the founding of the Federation and Archer, but the Treaty of Algeron itself; how hard it was to craft and how important it was to Federation history, which would have made Riker appreciate the importance of upholding it.
As the person who edited this video I agree, then there would be some bloody footage of the thing and each time it gets mentioned I don't have to dance around it 😂
A couple of things were missed; 1) The discovery of the wormhole at DS9 by Sisko 2) The intervention of seid wormhole aliens to stop the Dominion Armada 3) Voyager being flung across the galaxy to the Delta Quadrant (affected hundreds of species) 4) Captain Archer discovering the Kir'Shara, which radically transformed Vulcan society 5) The creation and testing of the Genesis device. (destroyed a moon, brought Spock back to life, etc) 6) First Contact, Vulcans and Humans meeting for the first time 7) Q being encountered for the first time at Encounter at Farpoint 8) The probe that spoke Humpback Whale disabling all of Starfleet and forcing Kirk to go back in Time 9) The multi-planetary puzzle that revealed that ALL humanoid species look alike because an ancient race seeded thousands of worlds with DNA 10) The discovery of the Guardian of Forever. Affects both Kirk and Discovery's universe significantly. 11) The Iconian base and teleportation technology. 12) The discovery of the mirror universe. 13) The development of Data and Lore. The birth of the synthetic race.
Do ya ever think it's weird how #9 on your list is never ever mentioned again? Like you'd think that it'd be a big deal in the galactic community, but just as soon as it was revealed it was swept under the rug
@@grahamvaneck8906 Totally weird. But given the reaction of the Klingons and Cardasians, I think. racism basically reared it's ugly head among the various species to make them actively ignore it.
But if we included some of the stuff in your post, then we wouldn't be able to squeeze in stuff from The Michael Burnum Show, Or JJ Trek, or Star Drek: Piccrap.
I would say Sisco convincing the Prophets to stop the Dominion fleet from emerging from the wormhole should have made the list. If not for the Prophets' intervention the Dominion would have won the war against the Alpha Quadrant
@@kanebravo953 Well, the term always is rather useless when it comes to the Prophets. If Sisko convinced them, they probably won't only be convinced in the present and the future, but due to their non-linear existence at every point of the timeline.
To the editor: You do a remarkable job editing these videos, the clips that play during the words being said are so seamless and perfect that I forget that someone else is matching them up. And that it’s not all done by the person speaking in the video. I especially liked the scene with Data and Geordi in engineering at 3:00. As if we’re sitting there listening to Data read a report on an alien species, then he takes a pause and turns to Geordi, saying “furthermore…” Really nice job with the whole thing.
Hi Lucas, Thanks man I really appreciate it. I put a lot of love and sprinkling of Easter eggs into them so it's nice to hear people notice. Glad you enjoyed 🖖
Hear, hear! Editors are a much underappreciated species! Nobody usually says anything unless something has gone wrong, which given the probable millions of hours of videos on RUclips are surprisingly rare (as a percentage of the total). TrekCulture and its sister channels have some excellent editors, so thanks for bringing this up and reminding us to add our thanks to yours.
i didnt realize Annie Wersching was taken from us, its scary when we lose people nearly our age, she was only 3 years older than me. guess i should have a physical, havent had 1 in 20+ years. i loved her performance, rip
It's a shame the Nexus never became a thing, but it won't be passing through again until 2410, which would be a bit of a jump from current STP events...
Interesting tidbit about the Eugenics experiments: George R. R. Martin once stated that he always thought of Vincent (from the the 87-91 CBS show Beauty And The Beast with Ron Perlman) as a product of the same Eugenics tests. He was a writer and executive produce on the show.
I think that Moogie’s manipulation of Ferengi society away from a profit-obsessed, hyper-capitalist society counts. Also that time ship that crashed in the 60s and made it so that Apple was superseded by Chronowerx was a pretty big deal.
Great list, but you missed a big one. In my opinion anyway. From TNG, season 6. "The Chase". Where Picard and co discover that we were all engineered by an ancient race. And by "we" I mean Klingons, Vulcans, Humans, Cardassians, the whole zoo. The fact gets buried "in universe", but still, hell of a revelation.
Although it was a big thing for the episode, the fact that the writers of subsequent episodes were able to shuffle that detail away is proof that it didn't change everything. Just imagine that episode was deleted from the lineup, would any interplanetary relations or behaviors have changed at all? Now think about the Khitomer accords or the Treaty of Algeron, those events are only passing references in episodes never an actual episode showing fully how it went down. But after that we were left with "why aren't Klingons the enemy anymore?" And "if the Federation is friendly with Klingons now, why aren't there more cloaking Federation vessels?" Like many things in history, the biggest world changing events are the culmination of a lot of unrelated random seeming events, sometimes it's hard to pinpoint an exact cause. The old adage is Rome wasn't built in a day. It had to have taken at least three.
TOS: The doomsday machine. The planet sized amoeba. The dinner plate sized hive mind/parasites. V'Ger (ok, not TOS but still the same timeline). Each one of these was on a path of destruction that included Earth.
What about events that SHOULD HAVE changed Star Trek forever, but were completely forgotten about by the next episode? Using the transporters for perpetual immortality, and the discovery of chemicals that can allow people to move faster than the blink of an eye, or give them telekinetic powers?
How about that time that Picard discovered the common ancestor of all advanced life in the galaxy? One would think that would have been a big deal but I guess not.
The initial discovery of the Bajoran Wormhole surely has to be #1 on the list. With the possible exception of Zephram Cochran's first Warp Flight, no other single event has changed the entire galaxy more profoundly than that (and the subsequent fallout of that discovery)
Particularly since the war between the Dominion and the Federation Alliance (the Big Three: The Federation, The Klingon Empire, and The Romulan Star Empire) cost the lives of hundreds of million lives -mostly Cardasians when the Jem'Hadar carried out the female Changeling's order to exterminate them.
The last episode of Picard S2 has the Dr. Jurati Borg seeking an alliance with the Federation because in her 300 years with Borg, Jurati has transformed them. If encountering and resisting the Borg changed Federation and human history unlike any other event, then the complete transformation of the Jurati Borg would be noteworthy too. I thought in all 3 seasons of Picard, themes of love were constantly expressed and drove the narrative. Love transformed the Jurati Borg. I was disappointed they were not in Picard S3, especially in the last episode.
Yesterday's Enterprise also had a big effect on the main timeline that Changed stuff Forever it created a new Romulan villain Sela who originally didn't exist and not only that it also permanently altered the relationship between The Federation and the Klingons prior to that episode it was established that the klingon Empire was a member of the Federation and after it they were no longer members just allies.
Great idea for a trek movie. STAR TREK: The Tomed Incident. A trek movie set in the lost era with monster maroon uniforms and ships of that time and we follow an ambassador class
The most important event would be the battle of Wolf 359. The aftermath of this battle was what altered Starfleet's basic doctrine of peaceful exploration and put it on a more aggressive footing, resulting in the creation of the _Defiant_ and _Sovereign_ class of actual warships (as well as the _Akira,_ and _Steamrunner_ ).
I think that "historic event" will be an alliance with the Founders. The changelings we've seen could be a breakaway group that are an enemy of the original Founders, and maybe the Titan will have to sneak through the wormhole (perhaps with help from The Sisko) to reach the Great Link and forge that alliance against their common foe.
You keep mentioning "Star Trek Picard, season TWO" but I think you must be mistaken, I'm pretty sure the show jumped from season one straight into season three. It's an understandable oversight.
As a side note, I really, really hated the book. The whole premise is terrible. I can count the books I really hate on my fingers and I have read over 350. That is not an exaggeration. I keep careful notes of which books I own and which I have read. Sorry David.
One key event you missed was "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock." This is when the Romulan ship had been filmed and the antagonist was changed to the Klingons. They even cut a scene where the Klingon crew stole the Romulan ship. Due to this atrocity, the honorable Klingons started using the cowardly cloaking device.
Ironically enough I am currently watching Star Trek Deep Space Nine for the first time and just finished Rules of Acquisition cquisition just the other day lol
Eh, I'd say it was less the Camping Trip rather than the "Wrong Turn Runabout" incident; sure, the initial Dominion encounter was huge, but the connecting of the two quadrants was larger (and, of course, directly led to the Camping Trip). Not to mention, brought The Sisko home for the first time...
In that mentioned DVD extra he said that it was meant but never brought up that the Dominion knew about the Federation all along but felt they had a long time to deal with them. The wormhole opening up messed up their timetable.
It's hardly a secret that the ending to season 4 of Enterprise left a bad taste in the mouth of many. However, if you listen to Brannon Braga speaking on the excellent Shuttlepod One podcast (hosted by Connor Trineer and Dominic Keating), you'll find out what really happened. It all comes down to four seasons of slowly building up to the Federation, with the assumption of having another 3, suddenly brought crashing down by the shows cancellation, forcing the writers to try and jam three and a half years of Federation related plot development into the episodes they had left. When viewed through those lenses, Enterprise's final episode make a lot more sense. I also highly recommend the podcast, which starts with John "Phlox" Billingsley and is currently up to featuring Gates McFadden.
If they want the event to be an event, and as it's meant to be the last season of Picard, then I'm guessing Picard dies as a hero saving the galaxy, anything else will be an anti-climax. Apparently, Lore and Professor Moriarty are supposed to turn up at some point so they are probably behind all the shenanigans. Though now he has a son, perhaps Picard saves him from whatever is possessing his son (probably a 'key' to making or preventing the event from happening) and they go play happy families and the bad guys will die for a feel-good factor. Wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the old school dies - not Riker though, as he has to go back to his family and make amends. It'll be ok if it's Raffaela "Raffi" - can't stand her character. Michelle Hurd tries her best, but the character is just too annoying in every scene since she appeared in S1.
My only issue is that everyone keeps sayings "The Romulan star went supernova" when it was actually the Hobus star that went Meganova and wiped out multiple star systems, the last being the Romulan home system. The Hobus star system was a Romulan controlled system, but it was not the Romulan Capital System.
Man, I don't care how good the effects and CGI are in these newer Trek shows ... NOTHING beats the era of VOY, DS9, TNG, and ENT. They relied more on acting than effects, and those shows were awesome. Don't get me wrong, I love SNW, Picard, Lower Decks, and Discovery, and I really like Prodigy. I just cling to the previous era a little more, I guess.
I wouldn't say complete fault; the Federation could have tried harder but pretty much gave up when some member planets threatened to secede. On the other hand, it wasn't the *Romulans*' fault; the Tal Shiar kept their impending demise from the general populace (IIRC) and a tiny cabal called the Zhat Vash scuttled the main rescue fleet just because they were built by androids. The billions who died on Romulus and Remus had no say either way.
There are three official timelines in Star Trek. Certain things are fixed points in time 1. The Doomsday Machine 2. V Ger 3. The Whale Probe 4. Destruction of Praxis 5. The Romulus supernova
I just noticed that the Romulan star exploding in a supernova just like that is physically impossible, because life life evolving on a planet orbiting around a star that actually explodes at the end of its life isn't possible because of two main reasons: 1. The star is too short lived, just a few hundred million years, so there's no way that in this short time frame the evolution would speedrun to cover the land masses in plants like we saw it on Romulus. On Earth it took 4 billion years until land plants existed. 2. Before the star dies, it will expand, thereby destroying all planets in it's proximity. And even if a planet was distant enough to become habitable in the proces, this red supergiant phase only lasts up to a million years, even shorter than the star's main sequence phase. All evidence points to Romulus' star being a sunlike yellow dwarf star, a type of star never ending in a supernova, because of not having enough mass. So either the Romulan supernova is of unnatural causes, in which case I don't know how the Romulan scientists predicted it soon enough to rescue parts of their species, or it's deeply unlogical.
Umm the Kelvin Supernova was NOT the Romulan sun, it was the star HOBUS, and it got bigger the more it consumed with Romulus on its way thru the galaxy! The 2 supernovae were COINCIDENTAL!
The Burn would have been a disaster, but since Romulans use artificial singularities and not dilithium-controlled matter/antimatter reactions, after the Burn, I still don't get how, especially by then reunified with the Vulcans, that they didn't share this tech with, like, everybody? Answers?
They may have stopped using them. With the destruction of Romulus and gradual unification, the tech may have been lost by the time of the burn, which is centuries after the supernova. That's even if they didn't use it: dilithium was a mediator for the energies generated by the matter/antimatter reaction so it would generate warp plasma? (whatever was in those conduits that came out to the nacelles). It may have served the same purpose between Romulan singularity reactors and their nacelles.
@@durhamdavesbg Very good technical argument; a fellow fan of the ship's manuals? I'd like your suggestion a LOT more, if this had been offered up as an in-universe explanation; even a throwaway line along those themes. Yours makes the most sense, but, sadly, not canon and so it leaves a plot hole the size of the Mutara Nebula in Disco.
Voyager being teleported to the Delta Quadrant. Sisko selling his soul to Garak to get the Romulans into the Dominion War. Worf kills Duras. Worf kills Gowron. Kirk brings back whales from the past.
Um, I am not sure i am seeing this right... but... At time 11:55, there is a model of NX-01 REFIT! That is a Star Trek Enterprise episode! Please tell me if I am wrong???
I love how the Star Trek Vangard books explain why that happened...It was subtle but meant that the whole Wrath of Khan film was in fact the fault of Starfleet, and not bad luck
I just watched "The Ready Room" hosted by Wil Wheaton and he said his guest next week is a secret due to just announcing the name would be a massive spoiler for the episode titled "Dominion". I have a top 5-8 possible guests that could be the mystery person: 1. Ben Sisko 2. Jake Sisko (I have not seen DS9 at all so I have heard that Jake passed away in the series but I do not know if that is true) 3. Quark 4. Tuvok 5. Tom Paris 6. Chakotay 7. The Doctor 8. Harry Kim
Why are you naming the characters and not the actors that played them? Also, there is an ep where an elderly Jake dies after it was revealed he's also Kurn, but that was to save his dad in the past that was in a warp core incident that trapped him in a temporal pocket.
I consider Discovery an alternate reality. None of that ever happened in Trek and it's insulting to DS9 to have section 31 in discovery as an actual branch of starfleet
Yeah, Starfleet folded like house of cards that'd been left in the toilet. As opposed to how it's portrayed in "Axanar" as a tit-for-tat. And given how there's a lengthy cold-war in TOS, it isn't insinuated that the Klingons came close to kicking the crap out of and going nomnomnom on Earthlings.
When you look at the TNG and TOS era shows and films, and the major events that happened, you get a sense of 'that's believable', I'm invested in this. It's a sign of good writing. Then you get the other end of the spectrum with the Kelvin and Disco era major events and the only thing you can say is 'I wonder how long it took one of the unpaid interns to think of that rubbish' - I'm looking at you the Burn and Red Matter! Anyway, love Ellie and her presentation style. You get me interested and invested in your lists. More Ellie, less Brie, she has the opposite affect and makes me want to mute her...
dilithium crystals are just as much of an ass pull as redmatter. Hell redmatter isn't even that new considering the original series and TGN have multiple things that behave similar to how redmatter behaves. Also tgn and ds9 have events similar to the burn just with different aliens. Congratulations your a whiny hypocrite.
The Romulan Free State maintained the Treaty of Algeron in the Star Empire's stead following the Romulan supernova. As such, the terms of the Treaty allowed Starfleet to place Coppelius under its protection. By the 31st century, Vulcan reunification had been achieved, presumably nullifying the treaty since it resulted in the Romulans joining the Federation. One of the upgrades to the USS Discovery when a refit brought her up to 32nd century standards was a cloaking device.
And there is Control's 1960's counterpart, Control, which fights the evil KAOS, and its lead agent, one of James Kirk's (aka William Shatner's) contemporarys, Maxwell Smart (aka Don Adams).
You know what really should be on this list, except the writers decided to pretend it didn’t happen? The discovery of Warp Drive pollution in the ST:NG episode Force of Nature. Alien scientists prove that the use of Warp Drive has a cumulative deteriorating effect on the fabric of space itself. The Federation says they will address this by limiting all ships to Warp 5 except in time of emergency. But that doesn’t solve the problem so we should have seen effects of that long before “The Burn.” But other that acknowledging they were exceeding the Warp 5 limit in 1 or 2 episodes it was never brought up again.
Am I the only one who thinks that Starfleet got screwed with the Treaty of Algernon not allowing them to use cloaking technology while the Romulans can use it all they want??
It just occurred to me that if I had been Riker, wondering what to do about the Pegasus, the logical holodeck program to run would be not about the founding of the Federation and Archer, but the Treaty of Algeron itself; how hard it was to craft and how important it was to Federation history, which would have made Riker appreciate the importance of upholding it.
As the person who edited this video I agree, then there would be some bloody footage of the thing and each time it gets mentioned I don't have to dance around it 😂
@@BuhurtUK 🤣🤣🤣
These Are The Voyages sucked so much, I can hardly describe.
The episode showing that better be called Flowers for Algeron
Regardless, Riker's holoprogram was malfunctioning, as usual for the Enterprise D.
A couple of things were missed;
1) The discovery of the wormhole at DS9 by Sisko
2) The intervention of seid wormhole aliens to stop the Dominion Armada
3) Voyager being flung across the galaxy to the Delta Quadrant (affected hundreds of species)
4) Captain Archer discovering the Kir'Shara, which radically transformed Vulcan society
5) The creation and testing of the Genesis device. (destroyed a moon, brought Spock back to life, etc)
6) First Contact, Vulcans and Humans meeting for the first time
7) Q being encountered for the first time at Encounter at Farpoint
8) The probe that spoke Humpback Whale disabling all of Starfleet and forcing Kirk to go back in Time
9) The multi-planetary puzzle that revealed that ALL humanoid species look alike because an ancient race seeded thousands of worlds with DNA
10) The discovery of the Guardian of Forever. Affects both Kirk and Discovery's universe significantly.
11) The Iconian base and teleportation technology.
12) The discovery of the mirror universe.
13) The development of Data and Lore. The birth of the synthetic race.
Well, you just gave them the outline for part 2! Nice list!
Do ya ever think it's weird how #9 on your list is never ever mentioned again? Like you'd think that it'd be a big deal in the galactic community, but just as soon as it was revealed it was swept under the rug
@@grahamvaneck8906 Totally weird. But given the reaction of the Klingons and Cardasians, I think. racism basically reared it's ugly head among the various species to make them actively ignore it.
But if we included some of the stuff in your post, then we wouldn't be able to squeeze in stuff from The Michael Burnum Show, Or JJ Trek, or Star Drek: Piccrap.
@@Archangelglenn if you hate the shows so much, why bother engaging on the internet? Find something else to do with your life.
Wow! I've seen all Trek, but the way you referenced all the Trek shows and films was really highlighted with this one! Well done all!
Well I mean obviously when Riker grew his beard nothing was ever the same
What about the first time he did the leg lift and lean?
@@AdmiralJT The Riker Maneuver! that's a must on the list, for sure. lol
That was due to him having a twin
I know, right? I almost stopped watching the show!
I would say Sisco convincing the Prophets to stop the Dominion fleet from emerging from the wormhole should have made the list. If not for the Prophets' intervention the Dominion would have won the war against the Alpha Quadrant
But due to the nature of the Wormhole Aliens, did Sisko actually convince them, or was that the way time was always meant to go?
@@kanebravo953 Well, the term always is rather useless when it comes to the Prophets. If Sisko convinced them, they probably won't only be convinced in the present and the future, but due to their non-linear existence at every point of the timeline.
Agreed!!
Yes, that was definitely a badass moment for sure
destroying somebody's fleet seems a bit biased - they might have just pushed them back out the other side of the wormhole
To the editor:
You do a remarkable job editing these videos, the clips that play during the words being said are so seamless and perfect that I forget that someone else is matching them up. And that it’s not all done by the person speaking in the video.
I especially liked the scene with Data and Geordi in engineering at 3:00. As if we’re sitting there listening to Data read a report on an alien species, then he takes a pause and turns to Geordi, saying “furthermore…”
Really nice job with the whole thing.
Hi Lucas,
Thanks man I really appreciate it. I put a lot of love and sprinkling of Easter eggs into them so it's nice to hear people notice. Glad you enjoyed 🖖
@@BuhurtUK *subscribed*
Hear, hear! Editors are a much underappreciated species! Nobody usually says anything unless something has gone wrong, which given the probable millions of hours of videos on RUclips are surprisingly rare (as a percentage of the total). TrekCulture and its sister channels have some excellent editors, so thanks for bringing this up and reminding us to add our thanks to yours.
i didnt realize Annie Wersching was taken from us, its scary when we lose people nearly our age, she was only 3 years older than me. guess i should have a physical, havent had 1 in 20+ years. i loved her performance, rip
Star Trek: Enterprise actually had an episode with a ship that was bigger on the inside. The writer was a Doctor Who fan
Wow, that was one of your best videos ever! What an outstanding job
Thanks 👍 (the editor of this video)
Looking for ward to the Borg History episode and BorgCulture channel.
As always thank you so very much for the video.
It's a shame the Nexus never became a thing, but it won't be passing through again until 2410, which would be a bit of a jump from current STP events...
we don't know it will come back through... Its course was altered. It may now be heading off into the galactic void past the barrier instead!
Interesting tidbit about the Eugenics experiments: George R. R. Martin once stated that he always thought of Vincent (from the the 87-91 CBS show Beauty And The Beast with Ron Perlman) as a product of the same Eugenics tests. He was a writer and executive produce on the show.
Wow.... First Contact, THE defining moment in humanity's history in the Star Trek universe, didn't even make the list. Interesting.
Don't be so Human centric.
@@40KBunker Well, considering humans drove the creation of the Federation....
I know these 2 events got a mention but the battle of Wolf 359 and the launch of the Phoenix should have had their own place on the list.
🖖😎👍Great job as always Ellie, Very well done and nicely executed and very informatively explained in every way and detail provided indeed👌.
I think that Moogie’s manipulation of Ferengi society away from a profit-obsessed, hyper-capitalist society counts.
Also that time ship that crashed in the 60s and made it so that Apple was superseded by Chronowerx was a pretty big deal.
Great list, but you missed a big one. In my opinion anyway. From TNG, season 6. "The Chase". Where Picard and co discover that we were all engineered by an ancient race. And by "we" I mean Klingons, Vulcans, Humans, Cardassians, the whole zoo. The fact gets buried "in universe", but still, hell of a revelation.
I think it's a little unfortunate that Star Trek in general ignored the repercussions of that discovery. Hazards of 90s episodic television, I guess.
Although it was a big thing for the episode, the fact that the writers of subsequent episodes were able to shuffle that detail away is proof that it didn't change everything. Just imagine that episode was deleted from the lineup, would any interplanetary relations or behaviors have changed at all?
Now think about the Khitomer accords or the Treaty of Algeron, those events are only passing references in episodes never an actual episode showing fully how it went down. But after that we were left with "why aren't Klingons the enemy anymore?" And "if the Federation is friendly with Klingons now, why aren't there more cloaking Federation vessels?"
Like many things in history, the biggest world changing events are the culmination of a lot of unrelated random seeming events, sometimes it's hard to pinpoint an exact cause. The old adage is Rome wasn't built in a day. It had to have taken at least three.
TOS: The doomsday machine.
The planet sized amoeba. The dinner plate sized hive mind/parasites. V'Ger (ok, not TOS but still the same timeline).
Each one of these was on a path of destruction that included Earth.
What about events that SHOULD HAVE changed Star Trek forever, but were completely forgotten about by the next episode?
Using the transporters for perpetual immortality, and the discovery of chemicals that can allow people to move faster than the blink of an eye, or give them telekinetic powers?
How about that time that Picard discovered the common ancestor of all advanced life in the galaxy? One would think that would have been a big deal but I guess not.
Those were some good plot turns.
The initial discovery of the Bajoran Wormhole surely has to be #1 on the list.
With the possible exception of Zephram Cochran's first Warp Flight, no other single event has changed the entire galaxy more profoundly than that (and the subsequent fallout of that discovery)
Particularly since the war between the Dominion and the Federation Alliance (the Big Three: The Federation, The Klingon Empire, and The Romulan Star Empire) cost the lives of hundreds of million lives -mostly Cardasians when the Jem'Hadar carried out the female Changeling's order to exterminate them.
If only the Borg invasion of 2381 from Star Trek Destiny was made cannon and shown onscreen.
Dawmn 😅 awesome vid Elli
49 great job Ellie
I LOVE the parts when you dubbing what they say 🤣
I had to laugh out looud at the Hansons album cover
I loved the "Dad?" caption, given who played the Romulan commander, and said actor's subsequent role.
The last episode of Picard S2 has the Dr. Jurati Borg seeking an alliance with the Federation because in her 300 years with Borg, Jurati has transformed them. If encountering and resisting the Borg changed Federation and human history unlike any other event, then the complete transformation of the Jurati Borg would be noteworthy too. I thought in all 3 seasons of Picard, themes of love were constantly expressed and drove the narrative. Love transformed the Jurati Borg. I was disappointed they were not in Picard S3, especially in the last episode.
They will fix the Burn, and make it "the Burn alternative timeline"
It can easily be done with: "discovery jumped into a possible future, but maybe not the one the prime universe is headed too
Nice List!
Yesterday's Enterprise also had a big effect on the main timeline that Changed stuff Forever it created a new Romulan villain Sela who originally didn't exist and not only that it also permanently altered the relationship between The Federation and the Klingons prior to that episode it was established that the klingon Empire was a member of the Federation and after it they were no longer members just allies.
"Moribund Tribble after a meal of Quadro triticale", best sentence ever, better than "The cellar door".
Great idea for a trek movie. STAR TREK: The Tomed Incident. A trek movie set in the lost era with monster maroon uniforms and ships of that time and we follow an ambassador class
Jack Kelly (writer) really did a good job here.
The most important event would be the battle of Wolf 359. The aftermath of this battle was what altered Starfleet's basic doctrine of peaceful exploration and put it on a more aggressive footing, resulting in the creation of the _Defiant_ and _Sovereign_ class of actual warships (as well as the _Akira,_ and _Steamrunner_ ).
They also made the tactical move to make the interior of starships darker which seems to have _really_ upset the fans.
Always glad to see Ellie
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I think that "historic event" will be an alliance with the Founders. The changelings we've seen could be a breakaway group that are an enemy of the original Founders, and maybe the Titan will have to sneak through the wormhole (perhaps with help from The Sisko) to reach the Great Link and forge that alliance against their common foe.
GOD HOW I LOVE STAR TREK !
So why did Ambassador Spock bring enough red matter along with him to turn half the stars in the quadrant into black holes?
You keep mentioning "Star Trek Picard, season TWO" but I think you must be mistaken, I'm pretty sure the show jumped from season one straight into season three. It's an understandable oversight.
Well they also mention the discovery and a burn (was It?) When everybody knows discovery was lost with all hands at the end of season 2.
In my subjective opinion, this is one the best lists made on Trek Culture channel!!!
Control comes from the novel of that name which is the closing novel of the Section 31 arch.
As a side note, I really, really hated the book.
The whole premise is terrible.
I can count the books I really hate on my fingers and I have read over 350.
That is not an exaggeration.
I keep careful notes of which books I own and which I have read.
Sorry David.
One key event you missed was "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock." This is when the Romulan ship had been filmed and the antagonist was changed to the Klingons. They even cut a scene where the Klingon crew stole the Romulan ship. Due to this atrocity, the honorable Klingons started using the cowardly cloaking device.
Ironically enough I am currently watching Star Trek Deep Space Nine for the first time and just finished Rules of Acquisition cquisition just the other day lol
A well made and researched video. What about the discovery of Section 31 since the the beginning of the first charter?
Eh, I'd say it was less the Camping Trip rather than the "Wrong Turn Runabout" incident; sure, the initial Dominion encounter was huge, but the connecting of the two quadrants was larger (and, of course, directly led to the Camping Trip). Not to mention, brought The Sisko home for the first time...
In that mentioned DVD extra he said that it was meant but never brought up that the Dominion knew about the Federation all along but felt they had a long time to deal with them. The wormhole opening up messed up their timetable.
It's hardly a secret that the ending to season 4 of Enterprise left a bad taste in the mouth of many. However, if you listen to Brannon Braga speaking on the excellent Shuttlepod One podcast (hosted by Connor Trineer and Dominic Keating), you'll find out what really happened. It all comes down to four seasons of slowly building up to the Federation, with the assumption of having another 3, suddenly brought crashing down by the shows cancellation, forcing the writers to try and jam three and a half years of Federation related plot development into the episodes they had left. When viewed through those lenses, Enterprise's final episode make a lot more sense. I also highly recommend the podcast, which starts with John "Phlox" Billingsley and is currently up to featuring Gates McFadden.
Where is this story about an alternate timeline where Pike is not injured and Spock loses a leg? Is this a Discovery episode?
Thanks for the info
"That like and subscribe cost the lives of 18 of my crew."
The Romulan star supernova was actually called the Hobus Supernova.
Captain Littlechild simply MUST appear in a Trek show soon.
If they want the event to be an event, and as it's meant to be the last season of Picard, then I'm guessing Picard dies as a hero saving the galaxy, anything else will be an anti-climax. Apparently, Lore and Professor Moriarty are supposed to turn up at some point so they are probably behind all the shenanigans. Though now he has a son, perhaps Picard saves him from whatever is possessing his son (probably a 'key' to making or preventing the event from happening) and they go play happy families and the bad guys will die for a feel-good factor. Wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the old school dies - not Riker though, as he has to go back to his family and make amends. It'll be ok if it's Raffaela "Raffi" - can't stand her character. Michelle Hurd tries her best, but the character is just too annoying in every scene since she appeared in S1.
Shout out to The Alternative Factor.
Spock: Captain, the universe is safe.
Kirk: For you and me. But what of Lazarus? What of Lazarus?
@@krisweinschenker598 Greatest episodes are not what this list is about.
Aww, Ellie looks so handsome in her uniform, I love it
Sorry to say that, but the thumbnail is wrong. The background is the nexus, yes, but the ship infront of it is the excelsior, not the enterprise b!!!
My only issue is that everyone keeps sayings "The Romulan star went supernova" when it was actually the Hobus star that went Meganova and wiped out multiple star systems, the last being the Romulan home system. The Hobus star system was a Romulan controlled system, but it was not the Romulan Capital System.
Man, I don't care how good the effects and CGI are in these newer Trek shows ... NOTHING beats the era of VOY, DS9, TNG, and ENT. They relied more on acting than effects, and those shows were awesome. Don't get me wrong, I love SNW, Picard, Lower Decks, and Discovery, and I really like Prodigy. I just cling to the previous era a little more, I guess.
I'm glad to see that someone else recognized that the Romulans are at complete fault for the failure of the Federation rescue mission.
I wouldn't say complete fault; the Federation could have tried harder but pretty much gave up when some member planets threatened to secede. On the other hand, it wasn't the *Romulans*' fault; the Tal Shiar kept their impending demise from the general populace (IIRC) and a tiny cabal called the Zhat Vash scuttled the main rescue fleet just because they were built by androids. The billions who died on Romulus and Remus had no say either way.
Top 10 Star Trek Top 10s.... make it happen
If Discovery is so important it changed Star Trek forever, how come I haven't heard of any of the things listed here...
There are three official timelines in Star Trek.
Certain things are fixed points in time
1. The Doomsday Machine
2. V Ger
3. The Whale Probe
4. Destruction of Praxis
5. The Romulus supernova
I just noticed that the Romulan star exploding in a supernova just like that is physically impossible, because life life evolving on a planet orbiting around a star that actually explodes at the end of its life isn't possible because of two main reasons:
1. The star is too short lived, just a few hundred million years, so there's no way that in this short time frame the evolution would speedrun to cover the land masses in plants like we saw it on Romulus. On Earth it took 4 billion years until land plants existed.
2. Before the star dies, it will expand, thereby destroying all planets in it's proximity. And even if a planet was distant enough to become habitable in the proces, this red supergiant phase only lasts up to a million years, even shorter than the star's main sequence phase.
All evidence points to Romulus' star being a sunlike yellow dwarf star, a type of star never ending in a supernova, because of not having enough mass. So either the Romulan supernova is of unnatural causes, in which case I don't know how the Romulan scientists predicted it soon enough to rescue parts of their species, or it's deeply unlogical.
I am predicting the next event that will change Star Trek forever is the fans will finally know how the Breen look like.
Umm the Kelvin Supernova was NOT the Romulan sun, it was the star HOBUS, and it got bigger the more it consumed with Romulus on its way thru the galaxy!
The 2 supernovae were COINCIDENTAL!
The Burn would have been a disaster, but since Romulans use artificial singularities and not dilithium-controlled matter/antimatter reactions, after the Burn, I still don't get how, especially by then reunified with the Vulcans, that they didn't share this tech with, like, everybody?
Answers?
So the season could happen.
Great point Steven
@@JohnSmith-bk9iz Lazy writing, in other words; mediocrity thy name rimeth with Discovery.
They may have stopped using them. With the destruction of Romulus and gradual unification, the tech may have been lost by the time of the burn, which is centuries after the supernova. That's even if they didn't use it: dilithium was a mediator for the energies generated by the matter/antimatter reaction so it would generate warp plasma? (whatever was in those conduits that came out to the nacelles). It may have served the same purpose between Romulan singularity reactors and their nacelles.
@@durhamdavesbg Very good technical argument; a fellow fan of the ship's manuals? I'd like your suggestion a LOT more, if this had been offered up as an in-universe explanation; even a throwaway line along those themes.
Yours makes the most sense, but, sadly, not canon and so it leaves a plot hole the size of the Mutara Nebula in Disco.
startrek in a nutshell time ,,i didnt know that Annie Wersching past away,, she was glorious and hyped in here role..
Sir Stewart's head was in a VERY unfortunate place on that cover...
i wouldn't be surprised to hear he made that a requirement though.
"If you think we missed anything..." ...Ohmywow... there's just so MANY that possibly qualify. 🙀
Still, good list anway. 😸😻
Live long and proper everyone
Voyager being teleported to the Delta Quadrant. Sisko selling his soul to Garak to get the Romulans into the Dominion War. Worf kills Duras. Worf kills Gowron. Kirk brings back whales from the past.
Um, I am not sure i am seeing this right... but... At time 11:55, there is a model of NX-01 REFIT! That is a Star Trek Enterprise episode! Please tell me if I am wrong???
3:52 When did Data ever get mad and punch a console like that?
Not only did the Romulan commander look remarkably like Spock, but he looked remarkably like his father.
The mysterious explosion of Ceti Alpha VI has a huge impact on many characters and the future of Earth itself.
I love how the Star Trek Vangard books explain why that happened...It was subtle but meant that the whole Wrath of Khan film was in fact the fault of Starfleet, and not bad luck
I just watched "The Ready Room" hosted by Wil Wheaton and he said his guest next week is a secret due to just announcing the name would be a massive spoiler for the episode titled "Dominion". I have a top 5-8 possible guests that could be the mystery person:
1. Ben Sisko
2. Jake Sisko (I have not seen DS9 at all so I have heard that Jake passed away in the series but I do not know if that is true)
3. Quark
4. Tuvok
5. Tom Paris
6. Chakotay
7. The Doctor
8. Harry Kim
Why are you naming the characters and not the actors that played them?
Also, there is an ep where an elderly Jake dies after it was revealed he's also Kurn, but that was to save his dad in the past that was in a warp core incident that trapped him in a temporal pocket.
@@GabePuratekuta I am naming the characters because of my inability to spell the actors names correctly.
@@GabePuratekuta I think you’re mixing up about three different episodes there…
@@KristenK78 Maybe. It's been a while since I rewatched the series.
you wear rhat uniform so well, Ellie! Love the hair! :D
Hanson’s 🎸 vs’ The Borg! 😉
I love star trek
I consider Discovery an alternate reality. None of that ever happened in Trek and it's insulting to DS9 to have section 31 in discovery as an actual branch of starfleet
Yeah, Starfleet folded like house of cards that'd been left in the toilet. As opposed to how it's portrayed in "Axanar" as a tit-for-tat.
And given how there's a lengthy cold-war in TOS, it isn't insinuated that the Klingons came close to kicking the crap out of and going nomnomnom on Earthlings.
Shut up you weird weird people.
When you look at the TNG and TOS era shows and films, and the major events that happened, you get a sense of 'that's believable', I'm invested in this. It's a sign of good writing. Then you get the other end of the spectrum with the Kelvin and Disco era major events and the only thing you can say is 'I wonder how long it took one of the unpaid interns to think of that rubbish' - I'm looking at you the Burn and Red Matter!
Anyway, love Ellie and her presentation style. You get me interested and invested in your lists. More Ellie, less Brie, she has the opposite affect and makes me want to mute her...
Brie is fine, not as good as Ellie.
Sean, Adam, & Marcus on the other hand?🙄😞
dilithium crystals are just as much of an ass pull as redmatter. Hell redmatter isn't even that new considering the original series and TGN have multiple things that behave similar to how redmatter behaves. Also tgn and ds9 have events similar to the burn just with different aliens. Congratulations your a whiny hypocrite.
Hi guys, how about a best/worst Star Trek Dad's.... I'll start...worst Worf, best Sisko. PLEASE ❤❤❤❤
Where does Chief O’Brien sit on that scale?
@@shutterbug8860 In the "must suffer" side.
I would have added the death of Quinn aboard Voyager to this list. A civil war among omnipotent beings seems pretty consequential.
But what did it change?
The Romulan Free State maintained the Treaty of Algeron in the Star Empire's stead following the Romulan supernova. As such, the terms of the Treaty allowed Starfleet to place Coppelius under its protection.
By the 31st century, Vulcan reunification had been achieved, presumably nullifying the treaty since it resulted in the Romulans joining the Federation. One of the upgrades to the USS Discovery when a refit brought her up to 32nd century standards was a cloaking device.
What’s the top ten wonders from Star Trek ❤??😮
Is this a reupload? I'm sure I've seen this before, as I knew what the entries where.
Nope, fresh out the oven.
You probably read the article it's based on.
@Gabe Puratekuta I think you may be right.
And there is Control's 1960's counterpart, Control, which fights the evil KAOS, and its lead agent, one of James Kirk's (aka William Shatner's) contemporarys, Maxwell Smart (aka Don Adams).
Not the romulan sun was going supernova. The Hobus star nearby went supernova!
The like & subscribe LOL
Of course, the Vulcan Pon Farr (as written by Theodore Sturgeon) changed how we saw Vulcans.
Most important moment is when Bennie Russel sat down at his typewriter.
Is the first contact with the dominion the pivotal moment, or is it finding the wormhole in the first place?
You know what really should be on this list, except the writers decided to pretend it didn’t happen? The discovery of Warp Drive pollution in the ST:NG episode Force of Nature. Alien scientists prove that the use of Warp Drive has a cumulative deteriorating effect on the fabric of space itself. The Federation says they will address this by limiting all ships to Warp 5 except in time of emergency. But that doesn’t solve the problem so we should have seen effects of that long before “The Burn.” But other that acknowledging they were exceeding the Warp 5 limit in 1 or 2 episodes it was never brought up again.
Well it didn't really impact Trek that much so one could hardly argue it changed Trek forever.
Am I the only one who thinks that Starfleet got screwed with the Treaty of Algernon not allowing them to use cloaking technology while the Romulans can use it all they want??
I'd say it was the moment Gene Roddenberry no longer had control over his creation.
Nice.
Picards body is going to be reanimated into Locutus 😂
This big baddie better not just be ones from the past mashed together.
What's worse than say the Borg and the Changelings? Borg Changelings?? 🤔
12:59 looked it up, This image is an unknown alien ambassador
Commenting 15 minutes after a 19 minute video is posted. In other words it hasn't even been played all the way through
Any other crisis in your life?