RFK doesn't say "Don't vax kids" he says we need better testing for all these new vaxes. I.e. before the 1990s they had a rigorous testing procedure for vaxes but they changed the law making it a lot easier to approve them and now we too many that aren't well tested.
Yea, but the more I know about big pharma the less I want children to have anything except maybe the tetanus shot. At least let the little tyke be big enough to understand what's going on, and stop these censorious bastards from funding unethical studies and then trying to claim only that is 'the science'
Re your ".... many that aren't well tested." "Well tested"? "Well tested"?? "Well tested"??? Heck, no! We just gift-voucher them an "EMERGENCY USE ONLY with ZERO LIABILITY" authorization! Best fun is, I can understand "emergency use" as a one-off for the very first tranche of vax deployed. But the same carries on *automatically* for the following 2 years??!!! How's that "emergency use"? More seriously, why did they just shut down all voices of opposition? Not just the John Does but well-reputed men of medicine and science. Those voices were not just shut down but they were vilified and villainized (professional assassination) as well. That's not done in science, especially medical science. Especially striking was the glee with which most every respected institution bent the knee to Fauci and Tedros. Shameful! Anti-human. Remember how that Brazilian guy (Bolsonaro??) was vilified for going against the corvir current? Remember how the entire global medical community jumped on Dr. Anders (of Sweden) who took an opposing view? What a disgrace! No, "they" have a lot to answer for. "They" do have innocent blood on their hands. HC-JAIPUR (31/10/2024) .
As a black woman who grew up very poor, I worked extremely hard to get to college and then medical school and be successful. Kamala and Obama have never represented me or been good for my community. I love Trump and I feel that I have more in common with him because we share many of the same values. Trump 2024!
Obama needs you to accept government assistance and to depend on it so they can secure those votes! The Democrats have been playing at this for centuries
I’m a Democrat not ashamed to be voting for Trump. I previously voted for Harris in California and regretted it because of the horrible things she did without shame. She hasn’t said anything of substance since becoming the nominee. No thanks, I’ve seen first hand how dishonest and soulless she is. At least I know what I’m getting with Trump and we need a change. I can’t believe reproductive freedom ranks higher on a priority list than wars and the economy. Democrats party leadership has lost their minds. I’m not progressive enough for the current Democrat party. I am also not on board with what they are ok doing to kids.
I am a successful women and I am who I am. That has always earned me respect. I have been successful even though I am average looking and obese. I am respected for who I am. As a women Kamala does not reflect my values.
I'll listen to nearly all opinions. I'll never find any errors in my own opinions if I don't. There are However, a couple of people I will never listen to. Neil degrasse tyson and Anthony Fauci are on that list.
While Biden's immigration policy is bad, I don't understand why someone who tried to overturn the 2020 election is not worse. To so many people, the idea of peaceful transfer of power is no important anymore. How disappointing!
What evidence is there that these 2 are liberals? I don't see any. They're going to great lengths to treat the depraved, lying, grifting criminal as a normal candidate.
VP I like your jacket. It will never be OK that toddlers were masked and people died alone and doctors didn’t speak out. I did plenty of complaining but I am a pathologist. However I treated AIDS patients in the 1980s and never ONCE feared for my life. Because when I took the Hippocratic Oath I meant I would put the lives of others before my own.
Zdogg is one of the most despicably arrogant and WRONG so-called “drs” out there, in my opinion. Hence I didn’t listen to this podcast. Just can’t, after what he helped them (!🤬) do to us all, my ears bleed if I hear his voice. 🤮 But-I am thankful for VP. 😊
@@janinepera8338 Dr. Prasad is arguing against the knee-jerk response of medicalizing people without data or evidence that the treatment will "first do no harm." You make a good point and it is certainly a possibility and a valid perspective.
The problem with CDC, Fauci, Birx, etc was the inability to say “this is the best information we currently have, and we’ll update our recommendations as we gain knowledge about the virus.” I always prefaced any recommendation with “this is based on what we know today.” CDC, NIH, and WHO chose political ideology over science. The total shutdown of discussion within the medical and scientific community was inexcusable.
A couple of thoughts on dangers of masking: it is traumatic for for some toddlers to force a mask on their face and babies and toddlers learn from seeing speech performance (mouth shapes) and masks hide emotional responses from lower face.
@@warner476 Please use data to support your thoughts. Multiple studies suggest reduction in infection with mask use during COVID (albeit negligible, prob not clinically meaningful, and highly fraught w/ selection bias) [PMID: 38050026, 37289456, 36446134]. None of the major studies showed "irreparable" harm in masking adults nor children. Long story short - mask prob don't help and prob don't hurt - if u wanna use it for yourself or your kids go for it but don't mandate it for COVID19.
I wish these guys would discuss the Ivermectin Hydroxie issue with Kennedy or Kory or Merrick rather than just attacking them. Frustrating. Vinay and Z may be right, but let’s have an honest exploration of the issue and let folks draw their own conclusions.
I absolutely agree with you. They continue to say Ivermectin doesn’t work. Tell that to the thousands of doctors who have used it in their Covid treatment protocols and have had almost 100% survival rates. Some doctors lost their jobs for having this success. How many Covid patients did these two treat? Zero! While working with Covid patients in ICU Dr Marik had a much greater survival rate than his colleagues. The hospital said he could no longer use his treatments. He watched patients die because he was not allowed to treat them properly. That is why he had to leave that job. No wonder people don’t and shouldn’t trust most doctors.
I've liked Vinay for a couple of years. I'm one of those who hasn't liked Z Dogg for his behavior and stances during COVID. But this particular show has me warming up to him. Between Angela Dilulu and his psychedelic journeys and health approach to statins and such. But both of you are still strongly in the medical model. But I appreciate your openness. There is much more to discover. And I know this is antidote only...... But I haven't been sick with COVID or anything else for the last 4 years, when I started taking vitamin D and C daily. Strong supporter of Kennedy and Callie and Casey Means. This liberal is following them and other good people to Trump this time. And i'm a liberal hippie sort. Voted for Jill Stein last time.
I liked his input during covid. It was very revealing of the type of reasoning behind certain medical stances at the time that were very common. It gave me a more well rounded perspective of what's going on, and a more complete basis for my own opinions.
How about the benefit of simply being in charge of your own health? So, if a patient asks for Ivermectin, give the friggin' Ivermectin. Placebo effect is valid, especially for a drug that is considered quite safe.
@@pseudonymous8702 I'm more referring to the peak of the pandemic when patients asked for it in hospitals. I could only listen to 20 minutes of this before I had no interest.
@SilenceInTheBliss of course. Its called the precautionary principle. If something has enough of a safety record, and there is reason to suspect it might work, no reason not to try it at least.
Dr. Marik treated ICU patients with COVID with his Ivermection and other drug protocol and had a better success rate than other doctors at his hospital. So with all due respect, I believe him when he says it works.
This is a comically baseless claim. Get off this channel please. I'm sure VP doesn't want his fan base to be as ignorant of evidence as anything else he critiques.
Hope y’all watched Vance on Rogan…. I voted for Trump but did not feel the need to sit through 3 hours of him talking to Rogan as I am afraid he will say something that will be twisted (he’s not very articulate) Vance, on the other hand, was simply amazing… great communicator and level headed. His opinions on Pharma were spot on…
I watched both. Both are long but worth it. Unfortunately I think the media will also twist things Vance said that’s just what the media does. Dems are good and Repubs are bad. 🤷🏼♀️
"As a rich white dude" so sick of these boring comments. Surely we can use our intelligence for a better response. I am not voting for either so I don't care but being blind to black privileged men (obama) is hippocracy. Anyway...
@@sevencrickets9258 The problem is the way the laws are being written in states with abortion bans. It's not about wanting an abortion but any treatment, for instance for a complication of pregnancy, that necessitates a procedure that can cause fetal demise, can end up having MDs lose their license and face criminal charges. The result of laws have caused a shortage of OBGYNs so a loss of pregnancy care and specialists who treat female health issues. PCPs stopped doing that ages ago.
@@sevencrickets9258 “Pregnancy complications, including placental abruption, bleeding from placenta previa, preeclampsia or eclampsia, and cardiac or renal conditions, may be so severe that abortion is the only measure to preserve a woman's health or save her life.” Simple google search negates your statement.
Calling doctors and individuals like myself for believing in Ivermectin is unconscionable. We have had excellent success in treating ourselves and others with integrative protocols which included Ivermectin. Also, Ivermectin had helped many people who are injured by the vaccines. Have a real debate with doctors who are successfully utilizing Ivermectin.
'Believing in' is the real crux here... not based on evidence or clinical trails, but personal and emotional belief!.... it's your religion, your tribalism, your team.
@@sassysandie2865that is actually the “belief” Most trials are to determine toxicity not actual “effectiveness” Ivermectin has been used for many years and the toxicity (what dose & how often) is established. People seeking help after vaccine damage do not just suddenly improve without any intervention. There are so many doctors working with people in real clinical settings getting real results for those people!
Regarding your convo about your social media audience: I followed ZDogg way before Covid when I saw his video on that quack Wakefield's Vaxxed documentary. I was ungodly hard on misinformation at the time, I hate the organic food misinformation kabal, hated Alex Jones conspiracy theorists, the Gwenneth Paltrow and Joe Rogan's appeal to natures of the world. I (incorrectly) supported nuking their social media presence at the time because "it was so obvious misinformation." I thought Covid would be my time to shine because I actually knew how to "follow the science" so imagine my horror when I saw MedTwitter and the media pull the shit they pulled. Ironically Rogan and you two helped keep me sane during covid because it was so obvious people were lying their assess off and nobody was calling it out but you three. Now I hate medtwitter and legacy media more than anything. The main people I follow are people who try to get to the actual truth no matter where it lies, like Ana Kasparian, who seems to have gone on a similar journey.
Vinay, I have heard you comment derogatorily on supplements a few times before ( I don't mean as it pertains to covid, or for those who take supplements temporarily once they are already sick). A few years ago, my doctor did some blood tests on me (never mind the reasons for the tests for now) and the tests indicated that I was low in vitamin D, zinc and magnesium. I started taking all 3 of those supplements and my levels went up for all 3. Are you saying that even though my levels went up, there is no evidence that it makes any difference to my health? If there is currently insufficient evidence of supplements making any difference to our health, does that mean it isn't helping us be healthier? Are more studies needed or is there enough studies now to prove that all supplementation is useless despite blood tests showing a rise in deficient levels of whatever supplement a person is taking? Please clarify so that many of us are more informed and perhaps we can stop wasting our money. Finally, what do you recommend as alternatives for those of us who tested low on something and are told by a doctor to (or just decide for ourselves to) take supplements? I apologize for being so long winded and I hope my questions are clear. Thank you very much for all the great content! Respectfully, Rick B. (Edited & Re-posted)
Vinay is incorrect about supplements. Many people are low in certain vitamins and minerals, especially if they are on pharmaceutical drugs. Vinay recommends drugs but not supplements. Bad advice,
Yes that is what he's saying and why do you need an alternative just cuz you tested a bit low on something? I doubt they have time to answer but your question is well worded and well thought out.
The reason why Vinay is down on supplements is because research shows no or poor outcomes with them. But the research shows that appropriate diet (and water and behavior) that boosts deficiencies does work where supplements do not. For example, fertility rates in women over 40 were raised by eating a diet high in folate (naturally occurring) whereas there was no improvement from the consumption of folic acid supplements. The depth to which Vinay is exploring and commenting on this issue is that he knows the studies on supplements come up empty. He isn't exploring it any deeper than that, when it comes to diet vs supplementation.
@pmberkeley but addressing OP's comment about taking vitamins if you have a deficiency is totally different than taking a vitamin, like B12 or a mineral like potassium it is ESSENTIAL that these levels stay within normal limits. As I am sure the Dr would agree.
Sit in a room of doctors and they all have a different opinion on everything from how to measure something, how to treat it but not agreeing on what "it" is. I enjoy Dr. Vinay Prasad's knowledge and opinions. He's a great researcher. I don't think doctors that practice cookbook medicine based almost entirely on studies and protocols make good practitioners. Always get a second or even third opinion. Good docs are hard to find. I can see why the other guy doesn't practice medicine anymore.
You guys make me laugh so much. I'm a retired physician and the combination of getting some of your little inside jokes and the great 'outside' jokes brightens my day. I feel healthier.
Calling a spade a spade is perfectly reasonable when people are talking out their asses! with zero evidence from randomised trails...and citing anecdotal evidence, beliefs and tribal delusions and all in the name growing your cult and your sides point scoring.
Yale hospital also gave HCQ for several months early on. They stocked 3 million doses in the pharmacy and all early covid patients in CT were sent to Yale.
My favorite misconception about the current day Republican party is that it's still largely made up of the old antiquated religious socialists that it was in the 80's. The current party is largely made up of the online atheist crowd of the early 2000's who were hardline democrats in their beliefs. The mass switch happened in the mid and early 20teens, when the Left started advocating for censorship and more dictatorial edicts. And a very large belief in the early 2000's among the online atheist crowd was that we should be free to say and believe what we want. Once the party we originally aligned with switched, we felt betrayed and as a form of protest, switched sides. The ironic part is that there were enough of us that came from so many different backgrounds that made the switch that we inadvertently shifted the balance in the Republican party. We essentially set it up so that in the next 10/20 years we will probably end up the majority with our mixture of liberal and conservative view points, and our willingness to accept everybody and anybody who feels disenfranchised will draw in people who would have been more liberal in recent history.
RFK isn't against vaccination. He's against the mRNA vaccine technology I think. He is on video stating he is for mandatory (forced) vaccination of certain vaccines, just not all of them.
I wasn't planning on listening but here i am. That was really fun! I still have no idea who the not Vinay guy is but who cares. Great banter and conversation. Who needs friends when you have podcasts? 😆
All I hear is nonsense. I used to be incredibly offended by Zdog prepandemic. He was rude and crude and ugly toward people who saw the vaccine schedule harmful. His love for key medical figures and political figures pushing vax on people was incredibly irresponsible. This video popped up on my recommended videos, so I tried to listen. I hear no actual opinions. Just a lot of banter and laughter and half sentences because you guys are clearly friends and bounce around ideas quickly. Topic changes are so frequent that anyone who doesn’t usually listen to y’all will be lost. Nonsense. I’m not missing out. If Zdog has had some kind of awakening, cool. Because he pushed a LOT of crap back 2017-2020.
I sure hope that VP and his team, in their upcoming review of LDL/statin research, point out that there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO data/research that indicts LDL, with its cholesterol cargo, as an independent driver of atherosclerosis!
I love this intellectual entertaining show. Vinay is my Pandemic hero along with Jay Bhattacharya. ZDogg gets love but you guys don't need so many F bombs. I had to turn it off which made my mom miss the education.
The fbombs are a manifestation of the frustration they (and most physicians) felt during COVID when they couldn't take care of their patients. To be told to shut up and sit down as they watched their patients suffer is the ultimate torture for good doctors, they are being deeply honest.
@27:00 There are ALWAYS three qualities of a successful YT/social media channels. 1) Entertaining 2) Informative and 3) Genuine. People can spot a phony a mile away. And at the end of the day, it has to be entertaining. But people stay because they learn something every time they watch a show. And @44:00 Pro tip. I take my hearing protection ear plugs (wood working) when I know I have to spend a night in the hospital. You can actually get some sleep even through all the ding/bing trills and whatnot.
You guys are so right about potassium in hospital. Hard to swallow and then burned in your iv. Finally I said stop and the next day my potassium level was miraculously fine. You drs are terrific.
You guys are great. Been watching for a while now, but at 1:09 RFK has never said don't vaccinate kids. I'm pretty sure he's banging on about safety testing vaccines
Reminds me of my time at uni when I had a couple of friends who studied medicine. The medicine crowd were the most hilarious bunch Ive ever met in my life.
Only 25 minutes in, so i can't expand on the entirety of this pod, but regarding TDS, I can admit that I finally understand it. I try to rationalize both sides to the best of my ability, but her voice & the way she speaks is like nails on a chalkboard to me. So I suppose you can say I have KDS and have no problem admitting it
Y’all are missing something. Let’s say that ivermectin probably doesn’t work, but there’s a 10% chance that it does. And the downsides are practically none. Like taking an aspirin when you don’t need it. AND even if technically, there is no solid mechanism of action for the drug to work on its own, they’re still remains the possibility of utilizing the placebo effect to get better. A certain subset of the population will then determine that they would rather take extra stuff that may or may not work, because the risk profile is low enough. And to that subset of the population the absolute antagonism towards Ivermectin appears suspicious. Maybe vitamin C won’t help me, but why should you tell me not to try it? I think a better response would be an accurate analysis of the ivermectin studies, but then also an accurate assessment of the risk profile, and then not judging those people who would prefer to try everything. Especially when trust is so low in the establishment and you have a large group of doctors who do believe that it works (even if they’re wrong).
MD's need to be more open minded when it comes to POTS, long covid, post viral illnesses. I've worked in health care for many yrs and was guilty myself of thinking fibromyalgia and the other conditions I just mentioned was a bunch of BS. It then happened to me. The names for these illnesses may be off but post viral dysautonomia/deregulation of major bodily symptoms is real. Love you guys and your show!
Never had a bad episode? How about you mark this one down as a bad episode. It's the first I've watched and in 30 minutes they've already given graphic descriptions of pornography and spent minutes patting themselves on the back for how well their show and their personalities work. Gonna go try another episode and hope it's better than this.
The boxing/MMA death risk difference is about the number of rounds and the knockdown rule. MMA rules and refs stop the fight with less net brain damage. Both have extreme weight cuts
Zubin, I love your spiritual stuff and thanks for leading me to Angelo Dilullo, but FFS, RFK Jr. has never said "not to vaccinate" your kids. Your statement is sloppy and slanderous. However you evaluate his arguments, his objection is to the adjuvant in some vaccines and the MRNA COVID vaccine for most people.
🙏🙏👀👉 please hope you see and read. I have followed you and been a fan since the crazy co-19 days and you were one of the few I valued for info. Dr Vinay I would love for you to do some breakdown videos on the various vitamins to address their roles in the body, how they work or don't, problems if deficient, claims made, etc and address or give examples of the positive & negative studies and why they're right or wrong. I would greatly appreciate it. Something is going on with me since my last child and only thing tests show is I'm deficient in some areas. I know you can't get medical advice, it's not what I'm looking for. I'm just doing my own research and more often than not videos are of quacks, there's way to many research studies to read, and I've only found one or two others that do bodies that I think are worth listening to. Thank you in advance if I'm lucky enough and your willing to do it!
Doctors would have done a much better job figuring this pandemic out without gov’t & bureaucratic intervention. Yes, this includes EARLY treatment of those most like to have problems. Known comorbidities were obvious from NYC hospital data provided in March 2020. LOTS of existing meds helped with various stages of the viral infection. Vax mandates were WRONG. History will prove this a shameful period in public health policy.
Great show fellas! So fun. Can you do a show on photobiomodulation? Particularly with respect to NIR modulating the mediation of TLR4 defendant inflammation? Three mechanisms Including stimulation of sub cellular melatonin and Nitric oxide. If you don’t know already, I promise it’s very interesting
I don’t get how they say ivermectin does not work, studies are flawed and they offer no substantial reason as to why. Maybe they have in the past but I missed that. There were good reason why powerful companies wanted ivermectin to fail therefore, I feel the studies would be definitely be bias toward does not work outcome. My understanding of how ivermectin works is that it needs to be used early on. So when study uses it on people that are near death that is a problem.
The good thing about ivermectin is it won’t damage you, unlike the drug remdesivir (sp) which is called “when death is near” by healthcare professionals because it’s horrible reputation.
RFK doesn't say "Don't vax kids" he says we need better testing for all these new vaxes.
I.e. before the 1990s they had a rigorous testing procedure for vaxes but they changed the law making it a lot easier to approve them and now we too many that aren't well tested.
Exactly. Sigh.
Yea, but the more I know about big pharma the less I want children to have anything except maybe the tetanus shot. At least let the little tyke be big enough to understand what's going on, and stop these censorious bastards from funding unethical studies and then trying to claim only that is 'the science'
Re your ".... many that aren't well tested."
"Well tested"?
"Well tested"??
"Well tested"???
Heck, no! We just gift-voucher them an "EMERGENCY USE ONLY with ZERO LIABILITY" authorization!
Best fun is, I can understand "emergency use" as a one-off for the very first tranche of vax deployed. But the same carries on *automatically* for the following 2 years??!!! How's that "emergency use"?
More seriously, why did they just shut down all voices of opposition? Not just the John Does but well-reputed men of medicine and science. Those voices were not just shut down but they were vilified and villainized (professional assassination) as well. That's not done in science, especially medical science.
Especially striking was the glee with which most every respected institution bent the knee to Fauci and Tedros. Shameful! Anti-human.
Remember how that Brazilian guy (Bolsonaro??) was vilified for going against the corvir current? Remember how the entire global medical community jumped on Dr. Anders (of Sweden) who took an opposing view? What a disgrace!
No, "they" have a lot to answer for. "They" do have innocent blood on their hands.
HC-JAIPUR (31/10/2024)
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Also, he doesn’t think pharmaceutical companies should have a liability shield.
Bingo.
As a black woman who grew up very poor, I worked extremely hard to get to college and then medical school and be successful. Kamala and Obama have never represented me or been good for my community. I love Trump and I feel that I have more in common with him because we share many of the same values. Trump 2024!
Obama needs you to accept government assistance and to depend on it so they can secure those votes! The Democrats have been playing at this for centuries
That makes you an idiot!
Vinay on Rogan! we want it!
Right his rating subscribers a and views would sky rocket but hes scared because he knows he fucked up so hard over the vax.
I’m a Democrat not ashamed to be voting for Trump. I previously voted for Harris in California and regretted it because of the horrible things she did without shame. She hasn’t said anything of substance since becoming the nominee. No thanks, I’ve seen first hand how dishonest and soulless she is. At least I know what I’m getting with Trump and we need a change. I can’t believe reproductive freedom ranks higher on a priority list than wars and the economy. Democrats party leadership has lost their minds. I’m not progressive enough for the current Democrat party. I am also not on board with what they are ok doing to kids.
Wish more people had your common sense ❤
I am the same way. She came from our state. I am not proud of that.
Good words ....and I am a registered Dem in PA who will be ostracized if it is known I want to vote for Trump
I love you! Convince your Dem friends to do the same!!!
Welcome to the Republic party.
I am a successful women and I am who I am. That has always earned me respect. I have been successful even though I am average looking and obese. I am respected for who I am.
As a women Kamala does not reflect my values.
Agreed 👍🏽
I'll listen to nearly all opinions. I'll never find any errors in my own opinions if I don't. There are However, a couple of people I will never listen to. Neil degrasse tyson and Anthony Fauci are on that list.
Yes
Absolutely lost all faith in them
Yeah once someone is a proven liar there's no point in listening to them.
NDT is fine when he’s discussing astrophysics. Whenever he ventures outside of that, which is often, he spews a lot of nonsense.
Right. I add all who, like Fauci, said they find nothing wrong with the shots and knowingly lied about it. Their jobs depended on their compliance.
It is so refreshing to get a take from two liberals who are NOT Trump deranged
While Biden's immigration policy is bad, I don't understand why someone who tried to overturn the 2020 election is not worse. To so many people, the idea of peaceful transfer of power is no important anymore. How disappointing!
What evidence is there that these 2 are liberals? I don't see any. They're going to great lengths to treat the depraved, lying, grifting criminal as a normal candidate.
Now that I’ve listened to them a fair amount, they’re not so liberal.
how come most of my comments got deleted? These two guys are liberals?
Did you follow z dogg during covid? I lost ALL respect for him.
VP I like your jacket. It will never be OK that toddlers were masked and people died alone and doctors didn’t speak out. I did plenty of complaining but I am a pathologist. However I treated AIDS patients in the 1980s and never ONCE feared for my life. Because when I took the Hippocratic Oath I meant I would put the lives of others before my own.
We so need more doctors like you ❤
You're one of a kind
Thank you for doing that!
Vinay brings hope, critical thinking, and some trust back to a captured medical system. Zdogg lost me on covid and his dogmatic worship of Paul offit.
Among other things too numerous to mention...
Zdogg is one of the most despicably arrogant and WRONG so-called “drs” out there, in my opinion. Hence I didn’t listen to this podcast. Just can’t, after what he helped them (!🤬) do to us all, my ears bleed if I hear his voice. 🤮
But-I am thankful for VP. 😊
@@darcykamin1111 I'm with ya.
He's pretty funny though 😅😂@darcykamin1111
Yeah agree Zdogg was a DICK!!! However at the end of the day Vinny had the same opinion to spite giving it a different way.
"Doing nothing is the best outcome." Thank you Dr Prasad for the reality checks and clarity!
Doing nothing can land people in the hospital. Better to treat oneself with integrative protocols.
@@janinepera8338 Dr. Prasad is arguing against the knee-jerk response of medicalizing people without data or evidence that the treatment will "first do no harm." You make a good point and it is certainly a possibility and a valid perspective.
I stopped listening to zdog but I love Dr V.
yeah i don't know why but zdog annoys me... edit: finding him ok in this episode tho...
Zdogg did so much shaming to those that questioned the vaccine or anything COVID.
Same! I wonder if he still thinks we’re all irrational for not taking the clot shot
It's his arrogance that made me stop listening to Z.
Ya ZDog was a total Ahat during Covid and totally wrong
The problem with CDC, Fauci, Birx, etc was the inability to say “this is the best information we currently have, and we’ll update our recommendations as we gain knowledge about the virus.”
I always prefaced any recommendation with “this is based on what we know today.”
CDC, NIH, and WHO chose political ideology over science. The total shutdown of discussion within the medical and scientific community was inexcusable.
The information they had was not the information they portrayed.
This 🎯
Because they were not actually promoting public health; they were high paid pawns to get you to surrender your way of life
House of God! Love it! You guys are the best. It’s ridiculous how much joy I experience when I get notification for a new VPZD episode.
I would love to see Vinay talk to Dr. John Campbell about Vitamin D. They would have an interesting conversation.
Yesss!!! 🎯
Big difference between ivermectin and masking children is ivermectin doesn’t do any damage, but masking children does irreparable damage.
I’m not team mask, but what specific irreparable harm was done by putting a mask on a kid again?
Would you elaborate on this point? I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
A couple of thoughts on dangers of masking: it is traumatic for for some toddlers to force a mask on their face and babies and toddlers learn from seeing speech performance (mouth shapes) and masks hide emotional responses from lower face.
@@warner476 Please use data to support your thoughts. Multiple studies suggest reduction in infection with mask use during COVID (albeit negligible, prob not clinically meaningful, and highly fraught w/ selection bias) [PMID: 38050026, 37289456, 36446134]. None of the major studies showed "irreparable" harm in masking adults nor children. Long story short - mask prob don't help and prob don't hurt - if u wanna use it for yourself or your kids go for it but don't mandate it for COVID19.
Kidding, right?
I wish these guys would discuss the Ivermectin Hydroxie issue with Kennedy or Kory or Merrick rather than just attacking them. Frustrating. Vinay and Z may be right, but let’s have an honest exploration of the issue and let folks draw their own conclusions.
Yeah that probably won't happen though
They are wrong though, to make it worse
These old drugs failed every single double blinded clinical trials; why we are still talking about them is beyond me!
I absolutely agree with you. They continue to say Ivermectin doesn’t work. Tell that to the thousands of doctors who have used it in their Covid treatment protocols and have had almost 100% survival rates. Some doctors lost their jobs for having this success. How many Covid patients did these two treat? Zero! While working with Covid patients in ICU Dr Marik had a much greater survival rate than his colleagues. The hospital said he could no longer use his treatments. He watched patients die because he was not allowed to treat them properly. That is why he had to leave that job. No wonder people don’t and shouldn’t trust most doctors.
Ivermectin had strong anti cancer properties. These two need to have conversations with Dr Kory Dr Marik and Peter McCollough.
When they list the reasons why their show is good and mention good energy and lots of laughter, I agree. VPZD is the Car Talk of our generation.
You’re dating us @WinstonFiore
100%!
Spot on. Click and Clack of the medical field via modern social media.
Big suggestion: bring on Dr. Peter McCullough to discuss a real clinical experience with Covid therapies.
he cant. he wont do anyone outside the main orthodoxy
As a lifelong lefty Indy profoundly concerned about civil liberties and global peace, I voted yesterday straight R.
I've liked Vinay for a couple of years. I'm one of those who hasn't liked Z Dogg for his behavior and stances during COVID. But this particular show has me warming up to him. Between Angela Dilulu and his psychedelic journeys and health approach to statins and such. But both of you are still strongly in the medical model. But I appreciate your openness. There is much more to discover. And I know this is antidote only...... But I haven't been sick with COVID or anything else for the last 4 years, when I started taking vitamin D and C daily. Strong supporter of Kennedy and Callie and Casey Means. This liberal is following them and other good people to Trump this time. And i'm a liberal hippie sort. Voted for Jill Stein last time.
I still wont like him. And he lied in this saying his stance on c19 early on. That is not true at all, he was a dirtbag
I liked his input during covid. It was very revealing of the type of reasoning behind certain medical stances at the time that were very common. It gave me a more well rounded perspective of what's going on, and a more complete basis for my own opinions.
You didn't like his stance during covid? Because you wished he was a doctor rejecting the medical model?
How about the benefit of simply being in charge of your own health? So, if a patient asks for Ivermectin, give the friggin' Ivermectin. Placebo effect is valid, especially for a drug that is considered quite safe.
Are they saying they won't prescribe it, or just that they won't recommend it?
@@pseudonymous8702 I'm more referring to the peak of the pandemic when patients asked for it in hospitals. I could only listen to 20 minutes of this before I had no interest.
Specially when a lot of studies and chemical analysis show how it can work.
@@Max-fw3qy Well, I'm not even going there since these doctors will say otherwise.
@SilenceInTheBliss of course. Its called the precautionary principle. If something has enough of a safety record, and there is reason to suspect it might work, no reason not to try it at least.
Frankly, I cannot stand to see that creep Zdogg. How many did he shame into taking dangerous experimental treatments to their severe detriment?
That was bad. Has he apologized?
@carlitaticconi6655 no
@@carlitaticconi6655So f****** what!
Wait this was my intro to both these guys. One of them was the Dr. Oz type?
@@KicksKapri Much worse
Dr. Marik treated ICU patients with COVID with his Ivermection and other drug protocol and had a better success rate than other doctors at his hospital. So with all due respect, I believe him when he says it works.
Hmm does he have a YT channel ? Or where can I find him ?
How did he determine which drug did what?
This is a comically baseless claim. Get off this channel please. I'm sure VP doesn't want his fan base to be as ignorant of evidence as anything else he critiques.
I love these guys!
Hope y’all watched Vance on Rogan…. I voted for Trump but did not feel the need to sit through 3 hours of him talking to Rogan as I am afraid he will say something that will be twisted (he’s not very articulate) Vance, on the other hand, was simply amazing… great communicator and level headed. His opinions on Pharma were spot on…
I watched both. Both are long but worth it. Unfortunately I think the media will also twist things Vance said that’s just what the media does. Dems are good and Repubs are bad. 🤷🏼♀️
Vance is a superstar. Great team TrumpVance2024 ❤
I leave my religion as a religion. I don’t conflate my politics with religion.
So glad you're attuned to Trump rather than dismissing him. As Ana Kasparian said "he's the embodiment of the middle finger to the establishment."
"As a rich white dude" so sick of these boring comments. Surely we can use our intelligence for a better response. I am not voting for either so I don't care but being blind to black privileged men (obama) is hippocracy. Anyway...
Zdogg is a rich dude too. That’s why he doesn’t need to work anymore and can spend all his time meditating.
He did expand on it the very next sentence. And one could argue the script has flipped. There *IS* such a thing as minority privilege.
Noooooo vote Trump, save Ukraine
Yeah, I think that's a tongue-in- cheek script-flip to help the people with TDS along.
Lol, this shows what kind of home zdog lives in.....
Its fun to hear you talk about Trump on JR .. makes it feel like we watched it together 😊!
There is a difference between the celebration of abortion and medically needed abortion.
There is no such thing as a medically needed abortion. Go find an example.
@@sevencrickets9258 The problem is the way the laws are being written in states with abortion bans. It's not about wanting an abortion but any treatment, for instance for a complication of pregnancy, that necessitates a procedure that can cause fetal demise, can end up having MDs lose their license and face criminal charges. The result of laws have caused a shortage of OBGYNs so a loss of pregnancy care and specialists who treat female health issues. PCPs stopped doing that ages ago.
@@sevencrickets9258 “Pregnancy complications, including placental abruption, bleeding from placenta previa, preeclampsia or eclampsia, and cardiac or renal conditions, may be so severe that abortion is the only measure to preserve a woman's health or save her life.”
Simple google search negates your statement.
Calling doctors and individuals like myself for believing in Ivermectin is unconscionable. We have had excellent success in treating ourselves and others with integrative protocols which included Ivermectin. Also, Ivermectin had helped many people who are injured by the vaccines. Have a real debate with doctors who are successfully utilizing Ivermectin.
'Believing in' is the real crux here... not based on evidence or clinical trails, but personal and emotional belief!.... it's your religion, your tribalism, your team.
But those people may have gotten better without taking anything, There’s no true evidence without trials.
@@sassysandie2865that is actually the “belief”
Most trials are to determine toxicity not actual “effectiveness”
Ivermectin has been used for many years and the toxicity (what dose & how often) is established.
People seeking help after vaccine damage do not just suddenly improve without any intervention.
There are so many doctors working with people in real clinical settings getting real results for those people!
Regarding your convo about your social media audience:
I followed ZDogg way before Covid when I saw his video on that quack Wakefield's Vaxxed documentary. I was ungodly hard on misinformation at the time, I hate the organic food misinformation kabal, hated Alex Jones conspiracy theorists, the Gwenneth Paltrow and Joe Rogan's appeal to natures of the world. I (incorrectly) supported nuking their social media presence at the time because "it was so obvious misinformation." I thought Covid would be my time to shine because I actually knew how to "follow the science" so imagine my horror when I saw MedTwitter and the media pull the shit they pulled. Ironically Rogan and you two helped keep me sane during covid because it was so obvious people were lying their assess off and nobody was calling it out but you three. Now I hate medtwitter and legacy media more than anything. The main people I follow are people who try to get to the actual truth no matter where it lies, like Ana Kasparian, who seems to have gone on a similar journey.
Many of us like us just saying… we, the common sense people, can now see the light 🎉
Vinay, I have heard you comment derogatorily on supplements a few times before ( I don't mean as it pertains to covid, or for those who take supplements temporarily once they are already sick). A few years ago, my doctor did some blood tests on me (never mind the reasons for the tests for now) and the tests indicated that I was low in vitamin D, zinc and magnesium. I started taking all 3 of those supplements and my levels went up for all 3.
Are you saying that even though my levels went up, there is no evidence that it makes any difference to my health? If there is currently insufficient evidence of supplements making any difference to our health, does that mean it isn't helping us be healthier? Are more studies needed or is there enough studies now to prove that all supplementation is useless despite blood tests showing a rise in deficient levels of whatever supplement a person is taking?
Please clarify so that many of us are more informed and perhaps we can stop wasting our money. Finally, what do you recommend as alternatives for those of us who tested low on something and are told by a doctor to (or just decide for ourselves to) take supplements? I apologize for being so long winded and I hope my questions are clear. Thank you very much for all the great content! Respectfully, Rick B. (Edited & Re-posted)
Short answer. No, that is not what he's saying
Vinay is incorrect about supplements. Many people are low in certain vitamins and minerals, especially if they are on pharmaceutical drugs. Vinay recommends drugs but not supplements. Bad advice,
Yes that is what he's saying and why do you need an alternative just cuz you tested a bit low on something? I doubt they have time to answer but your question is well worded and well thought out.
The reason why Vinay is down on supplements is because research shows no or poor outcomes with them. But the research shows that appropriate diet (and water and behavior) that boosts deficiencies does work where supplements do not.
For example, fertility rates in women over 40 were raised by eating a diet high in folate (naturally occurring) whereas there was no improvement from the consumption of folic acid supplements.
The depth to which Vinay is exploring and commenting on this issue is that he knows the studies on supplements come up empty. He isn't exploring it any deeper than that, when it comes to diet vs supplementation.
@pmberkeley but addressing OP's comment about taking vitamins if you have a deficiency is totally different than taking a vitamin, like B12 or a mineral like potassium it is ESSENTIAL that these levels stay within normal limits. As I am sure the Dr would agree.
Sit in a room of doctors and they all have a different opinion on everything from how to measure something, how to treat it but not agreeing on what "it" is. I enjoy Dr. Vinay Prasad's knowledge and opinions. He's a great researcher. I don't think doctors that practice cookbook medicine based almost entirely on studies and protocols make good practitioners. Always get a second or even third opinion. Good docs are hard to find. I can see why the other guy doesn't practice medicine anymore.
Seeing these two together again felt like coming home. I so enjoyed their banter and diversity of topics.❤
Love your delivery Vinay, Get your humor probably because I'm a long time nurse.
I am a conservative nurse and I love you both!!! Vpzd my favorite!!! Do more xxoo
This is a great podcast. Hope you keep this going.
You guys make me laugh so much. I'm a retired physician and the combination of getting some of your little inside jokes and the great 'outside' jokes brightens my day. I feel healthier.
Calling everyone you think is wrong a cult and idiots is not helping.
Calling a spade a spade is perfectly reasonable when people are talking out their asses! with zero evidence from randomised trails...and citing anecdotal evidence, beliefs and tribal delusions and all in the name growing your cult and your sides point scoring.
Yale hospital also gave HCQ for several months early on. They stocked 3 million doses in the pharmacy and all early covid patients in CT were sent to Yale.
This Vinay audience member LOVES you two together. Every day please.
Wish this was Dr Vinay on his own!
I love listening to both of you! ❤
Dr Dray is an amazing youtube derm and shes always evidence based !
My favorite misconception about the current day Republican party is that it's still largely made up of the old antiquated religious socialists that it was in the 80's. The current party is largely made up of the online atheist crowd of the early 2000's who were hardline democrats in their beliefs. The mass switch happened in the mid and early 20teens, when the Left started advocating for censorship and more dictatorial edicts. And a very large belief in the early 2000's among the online atheist crowd was that we should be free to say and believe what we want. Once the party we originally aligned with switched, we felt betrayed and as a form of protest, switched sides. The ironic part is that there were enough of us that came from so many different backgrounds that made the switch that we inadvertently shifted the balance in the Republican party. We essentially set it up so that in the next 10/20 years we will probably end up the majority with our mixture of liberal and conservative view points, and our willingness to accept everybody and anybody who feels disenfranchised will draw in people who would have been more liberal in recent history.
Z dog needs Vinay to keep him in the spotlight. Vinay’s channel much more successful than zdog
RFK isn't against vaccination. He's against the mRNA vaccine technology I think. He is on video stating he is for mandatory (forced) vaccination of certain vaccines, just not all of them.
I don’t think he’s for any mandates. And he thinks they all need more safety studies.
Isn't this the guy who makes fun of people who question the safety and efficacy of vaccines? (Not Vinay, the other guy.)
I laughed out loud so many times, good energy guys
I wasn't planning on listening but here i am. That was really fun! I still have no idea who the not Vinay guy is but who cares. Great banter and conversation. Who needs friends when you have podcasts? 😆
All I hear is nonsense. I used to be incredibly offended by Zdog prepandemic. He was rude and crude and ugly toward people who saw the vaccine schedule harmful. His love for key medical figures and political figures pushing vax on people was incredibly irresponsible. This video popped up on my recommended videos, so I tried to listen. I hear no actual opinions. Just a lot of banter and laughter and half sentences because you guys are clearly friends and bounce around ideas quickly. Topic changes are so frequent that anyone who doesn’t usually listen to y’all will be lost. Nonsense. I’m not missing out.
If Zdog has had some kind of awakening, cool. Because he pushed a LOT of crap back 2017-2020.
I sure hope that VP and his team, in their upcoming review of LDL/statin research, point out that there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO data/research that indicts LDL, with its cholesterol cargo, as an independent driver of atherosclerosis!
I love this intellectual entertaining show. Vinay is my Pandemic hero along with Jay Bhattacharya. ZDogg gets love but you guys don't need so many F bombs. I had to turn it off which made my mom miss the education.
I agree about the fbombs! You can be yourself without them… But great to listen to. I haven’t heard the shaved head guy before.
The fbombs are a manifestation of the frustration they (and most physicians) felt during COVID when they couldn't take care of their patients. To be told to shut up and sit down as they watched their patients suffer is the ultimate torture for good doctors, they are being deeply honest.
@@marybeatty-brooks3272he has some funny health related parodies set to songs, on RUclips. One of my favorite videos is "I was 7 Years Old"
@@marybeatty-brooks3272the shaved head guy was lecturing people during Covid about wearing masks and the jab.
You blokes never disappoint!! Love it 💗💯💥
Vinay is the GOAT
@27:00 There are ALWAYS three qualities of a successful YT/social media channels. 1) Entertaining 2) Informative and 3) Genuine. People can spot a phony a mile away. And at the end of the day, it has to be entertaining. But people stay because they learn something every time they watch a show. And @44:00 Pro tip. I take my hearing protection ear plugs (wood working) when I know I have to spend a night in the hospital. You can actually get some sleep even through all the ding/bing trills and whatnot.
Dr P, you are hysterical.
As a RN for 30 years, I was toldby HR that " you are not allowed to ask physicians questions because you make them feel incompetent ".
Sharyl Attkisson's book Follow the Science reveals a lot about Dr. Offit's conflicts of interests and others in the "medical industrial complex"
I love these two minds!
Appreciate you both very much.
I think the two of you are wrong about ivermectin. Please consider reading Dr. Pierre Kory's book "The War on Ivermectin."
You're entirely delusional. Great opinion you have, I wish these two were as qualified as you :/
Trump 24!
Yes sir!
You guys are so right about potassium in hospital. Hard to swallow and then burned in your iv. Finally I said stop and the next day my potassium level was miraculously fine. You drs are terrific.
Love this conversation!
You guys are great. Been watching for a while now, but at 1:09 RFK has never said don't vaccinate kids. I'm pretty sure he's banging on about safety testing vaccines
Love you guys!!
You guys are fantastic!
Great chemistry. Keep it up
I'm partial to the Vinay very far away from ZDogg.
Also meat is my pills these days. Currently correcting a tooth infection with liver and oysters👍
Reminds me of my time at uni when I had a couple of friends who studied medicine. The medicine crowd were the most hilarious bunch Ive ever met in my life.
I love hearing both of your honest opinions
Only 25 minutes in, so i can't expand on the entirety of this pod, but regarding TDS, I can admit that I finally understand it. I try to rationalize both sides to the best of my ability, but her voice & the way she speaks is like nails on a chalkboard to me. So I suppose you can say I have KDS and have no problem admitting it
I tried but I just cant hang with zdog or whatevers philosophizing. Blech. Peace out.
Y’all are missing something. Let’s say that ivermectin probably doesn’t work, but there’s a 10% chance that it does. And the downsides are practically none. Like taking an aspirin when you don’t need it. AND even if technically, there is no solid mechanism of action for the drug to work on its own, they’re still remains the possibility of utilizing the placebo effect to get better.
A certain subset of the population will then determine that they would rather take extra stuff that may or may not work, because the risk profile is low enough. And to that subset of the population the absolute antagonism towards Ivermectin appears suspicious. Maybe vitamin C won’t help me, but why should you tell me not to try it? I think a better response would be an accurate analysis of the ivermectin studies, but then also an accurate assessment of the risk profile, and then not judging those people who would prefer to try everything. Especially when trust is so low in the establishment and you have a large group of doctors who do believe that it works (even if they’re wrong).
Where are the studies that were done regarding Ivermectin or HCQ and how many of them were properly structured that they weren't doomed for failure?
MD's need to be more open minded when it comes to POTS, long covid, post viral illnesses. I've worked in health care for many yrs and was guilty myself of thinking fibromyalgia and the other conditions I just mentioned was a bunch of BS. It then happened to me. The names for these illnesses may be off but post viral dysautonomia/deregulation of major bodily symptoms is real. Love you guys and your show!
Haven’t seen you two on a rant in awhile. Enjoyed the conversation!😊
So great. Savvy, funny, artistic, bonne homme, cosmic.
Omg 😊 I didn't know ZdoggMD and Vdogg MD were podcast homies!
This should be good
My cousin Vinny
You guys are hilarious. Great content.
I love these conversations keep it up gents
Never had a bad episode? How about you mark this one down as a bad episode. It's the first I've watched and in 30 minutes they've already given graphic descriptions of pornography and spent minutes patting themselves on the back for how well their show and their personalities work. Gonna go try another episode and hope it's better than this.
The boxing/MMA death risk difference is about the number of rounds and the knockdown rule. MMA rules and refs stop the fight with less net brain damage. Both have extreme weight cuts
This is called a rational discussion!
What do you know about Uttar Pradesh ivermectin treatment program ? Was it successful?
Very successful
Yes I just commented the same thing. I don’t know how this can be ignored.
It’s true, absolutely couldn’t stand Dr. Z during the pandemic but he’s so much more likeable when he’s with you! 😂
Zubin, I love your spiritual stuff and thanks for leading me to Angelo Dilullo, but FFS, RFK Jr. has never said "not to vaccinate" your kids. Your statement is sloppy and slanderous. However you evaluate his arguments, his objection is to the adjuvant in some vaccines and the MRNA COVID vaccine for most people.
🙏🙏👀👉 please hope you see and read. I have followed you and been a fan since the crazy co-19 days and you were one of the few I valued for info. Dr Vinay I would love for you to do some breakdown videos on the various vitamins to address their roles in the body, how they work or don't, problems if deficient, claims made, etc and address or give examples of the positive & negative studies and why they're right or wrong. I would greatly appreciate it. Something is going on with me since my last child and only thing tests show is I'm deficient in some areas. I know you can't get medical advice, it's not what I'm looking for. I'm just doing my own research and more often than not videos are of quacks, there's way to many research studies to read, and I've only found one or two others that do bodies that I think are worth listening to. Thank you in advance if I'm lucky enough and your willing to do it!
He thinks vitamins don't do much and aren't generally needed.
How about a guide for us non-healthcare peeps on how to be a patient? Like what stuff do we tell them we don't want?
the ego has landed
We need Vinay Prasad to look at the statin trials and do a video about it
49:24 I hate board games too… and I always felt bad about it… so I’m glad I’m not alone 😂
Doctors would have done a much better job figuring this pandemic out without gov’t & bureaucratic intervention. Yes, this includes EARLY treatment of those most like to have problems. Known comorbidities were obvious from NYC hospital data provided in March 2020.
LOTS of existing meds helped with various stages of the viral infection.
Vax mandates were WRONG. History will prove this a shameful period in public health policy.
Great show fellas!
So fun.
Can you do a show on photobiomodulation?
Particularly with respect to NIR modulating the mediation of TLR4 defendant inflammation?
Three mechanisms
Including stimulation of sub cellular melatonin and Nitric oxide.
If you don’t know already, I promise it’s very interesting
book review was best part. thanks
I don’t get how they say ivermectin does not work, studies are flawed and they offer no substantial reason as to why. Maybe they have in the past but I missed that. There were good reason why powerful companies wanted ivermectin to fail therefore, I feel the studies would be definitely be bias toward does not work outcome. My understanding of how ivermectin works is that it needs to be used early on. So when study uses it on people that are near death that is a problem.
Zdog ignores inconsistent information.
The good thing about ivermectin is it won’t damage you, unlike the drug remdesivir (sp) which is called “when death is near” by healthcare professionals because it’s horrible reputation.