As a woman, I don't see how this kind of entertainment is what is necessary to develop stronger, Godly, men. What does this kind of show have to do with a Biblically spiritual men's conference? No wonder we're where we are.
@@NotTodaySatan705 No, the church, the true church, has not fallen. It is still strong. However, there are so many of these false churches, it is easy to think that the church has fallen.
I would have, in fact, preferred that. But Mark enabled that crap, and he didn’t say anything during the half hour alone with the pastor. The whole place seems like it was a basket case.
@@CulwhickbeoccaOk, so Mark admittedly fell into the sin of cowardice until he finally felt convicted enough and mustered enough courage to do the right thing. Are you saying you never delayed when the Lord tells you to do something difficult (and potentially embarrassing) for Him?
Regardless of Driscoll calling it out, the pole performance was absolutely sexualized and inappropriate. I can only imagine how that kind of performance affected the attendees who struggle with porn.
And these 2 are naive to think that there are men in attendance who don’t struggle with their sexual orientation. Laughing about it even that it’s absurd. Denying there was anything sexual. That was crazy. It’s like TDS. The hatred for T makes people think/believe things that are untrue. Their dislike of Mark is doing the same thing. I don’t know who was sitting in Justin’s left… but I’m not a fan.
Or men who struggle with homosexuality. This had NO place at a men's conference. Shame on you for making this about Mark Driscoll. This is about inappropriate conduct in church.
I mean, they had a male stripper - at a man’s conference - swallowing a sword. The sexual imagery of that is unacceptable and should have been called out.
@@wesmurphy9725he stripped his shirt off, caressed a strip pole and licked a sword before swallowing it. That’s all the context I need. I call it as I see it and that was a strip tease. Plain and simple, if it quacks like a duck….
@@wesmurphy9725How’s this for context: he stripped off his shirt, caresses a strip pole and licks a sword before swallowing it. If it quacks like a duck…
@@wesmurphy9725he performed an act that is what he did before. If an ex female stripper is born again and then performs on a pole, is it ok because she’s born again?
What ever happened to making Jesus Christ and His work on the cross the attraction of a men’s conference? It has to be Holy Spirit that draws them to the truth, and not some dog and pony show. Apostasy at its finest.
Ohhh well all these giant churches cozying up to Hollywood, celebrity, and preaching ridiculous tongues-mumbojumbo and prosperity Gospel are cults engaged in laundering tens of millions of dollars of drug money.
I'll provide my opinion. I think it is because these pastors realize that the appropriate theme, as you mentioned being Jesus and His death, burial, and resurrection on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins, is not one that will attract the largest audience, with the main goal being to make money. Personally, I am not a fan of retreats.
@@nopms "And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."
At first I was against Mark. I thought he was over reacting. But then I heard the crowd and pastors reaction an realized Mark hit the nail on the head. They all sounded like a bunch of pagan leftists.
I don’t think it’s one or the other…I think the circus act and the entire conference itself has been a mockery of God. I don’t think Justin is standing up for them. He’s just saying that mark is not a hero…he endorses weird stuff all of the time and rebuking a stripper guy you hired by claiming he has the jezebel spirit or whatever is not the mark of a godly man. Go start your own conference without any charismatic/new age/fog machine bologna. Don’t set yourself up to be in places where this stuff is happening so you can act like a hero for rebuking demons you summoned to the event lol.
@@quinnpeterson2716 yes, you’re absolutely right. And while a rebuke was in order, that was not the place for it unless it was about more than what a rebuke is hoped to achieve. The whole thing is just as you’ve said, a mockery of God.
I’m just a plain person (woman) and can’t figure out for the life of me why any of these idiotic performances would be useful in encouraging godliness in men. That there was even a need to have a discussion about whether there was some sensual stuff going on directed towards homosexuality or otherwise is all the evidence that I need to know that God wasn’t in that place and had nothing to do with the planning of that wicked event. Ridiculous.
I rarely comment but COME ON GUYS THERE IS NEVER EVER A GOOD REASON TO HAVE A STRIPPER AND A POLE AT A CHURCH EVENT! It’s outrageous that mark of all people would be the one to point it out!!! The other leaders should be ashamed!!!! It’s absolutely absurd!
This. He could have easily performed tricks and such without the stripper pole portion of his act. Let me be clear; I don’t think he should have been hired at all but if they were going to hire him they could have left out the pole.
Why would you be shocked it was Mark , because these teachers on this channel have convinced you that Mark is not a man of God. They are wrong. Think about this these teachers are laughing and making excises for satan ... It is more important to these two to ridicule and tear apart Mark than to call out the sin. And to admire his strength for being able to take a stand. Something that lindell nor these two on this channel could EVER do.
Justin is naive, and far more concerned with pointing out other people's heresy than he is in promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just look at all of his content: It's all accusations and finger pointing. This man needs an urgent plea to himself to step away from the ministry scene, because he isnt doing it well at all. He needs to spend more time reading the word than preaching it.
Justin Peters showed it to you, shame on him. If he thinks it was inappropriate to show a bunch of men, why has he now shown 152,000 people on RUclips?
And therein lies one of the HUGE issues of our time! Church is meant to be for the saints of God, not an entertainment venue for the world. In fact, it’s not for “the world” at all. This is an attack on the biblical doctrine of the saints coming together AND a major distortion of the Gospel.
Absolutely agree, brother. How dare they trivialize the potential stumbling block that this could be to so many others who struggle with these sins. justin peters needs to pray.
If Driscoll hadn’t prefaced what he said as ‘NOT a rebuke’ against anyone, I’d have a little more respect for what he said. That was weak and it undermined his message. He also didn’t need to say more than ‘stripper pole’ etc. Telling everyone to view it as an Asherah pole brought unnecessary complexity. That said, there were male temple prostitutes at pagan gatherings in OT Times (and possibly still). It was just ‘saying too much’ and allowing too much opportunity for rebuttal imho. Keep it simple! Straight Christian Men don’t want to watch men on stripper poles; End of story. Straight Christian Men MIGHT want to watch scantily-clad women on stripper poles (and that’s a separate issue in our hearts that lustily crave such sin). A pole absolutely can be viewed as a phallic symbol and yes, that’s why female and gay male strippers perform on them.
@tromtacular Oh look, I agree with everything you said. I’m not a fan of the man and do believe he’s unqualified to be behind the pulpit, but I think he’s correct to call this nonsense out. Was his motive for doing so self seeking? More than likely
@@Electrical_smell, I agree, but if there was a way to categorically prove the matter one way or another (and that proof was pending), and IF I was a betting man, I’d bet good money that Driscoll pre-planned a ‘call-out’ of some kind prior to attending the event (and what a perfect clown-show/circus to attend for such a purpose) as a publicity stunt to attract more followers to himself. He growled, Lindell growled louder and Driscoll quickly submitted to the pack-leader just like a wolf does. Are these men wolves? I don’t know much about Lindell, but I’ve learned about Driscoll and he’s a wolf in my opinion and if the company a man keeps is an indicator… well, 🤷🏼♂️ Just my opinion. If I’m wrong, so be it.
Driscoll can be a publicity stuntman, and a shirt-stripping, pole-dancing, shaft-swallowing showman can be out of place for a church setting at the same time
He didn't call it out correctly, there was a lot of error in his calling out (theologically and doctrinally). I think the Pastor from AZ should go to Mark Driscoll who also has a church in AZ and speak with him using the word to correct him!
Well, that is a mischaracterization. The man was a stripper at some time in the past, and is now a Christian by all accounts. Still, it was very innapropriate.
It is laughable to take Driscoll seriously when he has never taken responsibility for his disaster at Mars Hill, and his cowardly departure from there. And, This conference's website came across as a frat party invite, nothing about what Biblical teaching would be given. Seems obvious they may do something outlandish. Neither side is right in this. It's an embarassment to genuine, sincere believers.
Maybe Justin needs to isolate the soundbites where he called out the need for the sword swallower to repent and come to Christ if he is lost and that the church it took place is a goat farm.
If you think a man getting up on a stage and taking off some of his clothes is holy, then i don't know what to say. And if it isn't holy, then it has to be unholy, if its unholy, it is of Satan
That’s not the point of the video. They’re not trying to defend what was done, as godly. They’re saying that he was being a showman. The claim that this event is a, “goat farm” deals with whether this is holy or not. The claim is that it wasn’t a homosexual display.
Just with Justing saying that shows he has ulterior motives. It's sad because he is so right on some things but got swayed by satan to attack the wrong man. Sadly he's been trying to find a way to bring Mark down for years, but God is protecting him. I don't like when Justin sensationalizes things to try and get clicks. That's what the world does.
@patrickgragg5602 Nothing shows someone's intelligence level more than typing in all CAPS. It shows that they have no substance and they need to try and yell their point across. The interesting thing is that you stopped educating yourself at the point Justin wanted you to so you look ignorant. Mark has been working with the other pastor's son (who is also a pastor at the church) to help them turn away from the things they are getting into. I know actually caring about other people is foreign to you because your god is Justin Peters and caring for people is the last thing on his mind. Mark cares for people so much that he's trying to help them turn to God and John has been putting out attacking messages constantly since it happened and Mark is not being childish and letting God speak for him. This should be a wake-up call for you in your life. This is a Jesus/Pharisee moment we are watching. Mark speaks the truth (FYI he is a flawed man and fails like everyone else) Pharisees have attacked him over and over since it happened. One is Justin. Mark spoke the truth and left it at that. But the Pharisees need to keep attacking because they don't have God on their side. Mark is more worried about the men's souls at the conference and the James River Church coming to repentance. You get to choose whose side you are on today.
@patrickgragg5602 you didn't hear what he said as he picked up his Bible and left? You may take issue with Mark Driscoll all you like, but he clearly wasn't "yanked" off stage as the title suggests.
The saddest part of all of this is that the baby Christians that attend conferences like this because of the hype, walk away expecting to be entertained in church. Regardless of whether this man is a stripper or not, the fact is, that we call out church services that include ridiculous stunts for entertainment, this should be no different.
As a dad who just loss his two oldest children within two months, having a broken, and contrite heart. I've done some wicked, evil things in my life, far worse than these people are exhibiting before the world, and I Repent, and look into the mirror, and take inventory of myself, and my walk with my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ. I pray that Jesus will continue to pull this Wretch of a sinner out of the miery clay, and mold, shape, and form me into a Warrior, to help another precious soul who is hurting, struggling, and needing a Savior like I have In my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ AMEN.
Ooohhh I teared up this is heartbreaking. I'm so sorry for your loss and may Jesus hug you I pray. A long comforting hug from Jesus. Hope I don't sound silly I just pray He does. And may He answer your prayers.
I pray for you as I pray for myself and my unredeemed loved ones too. Repentance is a gift and I am going through it. It is my cross and I carry it with deepest gratitude. He is reforming us he is redeeming our lives from destruction. May he bless you with renewed knowledge of his profound love for you, for us. You are blessed. Now if we love him, we wl follow his commandments. There is now no condemnation for those, truly, in Christ. Endure til the end he said, in keeping his judgements, there is much reward.
Man, the fact that Driscoll calling this out is the controversy you're choosing to dwell on instead of the shirtless male stripper, is a little off the mark...
I agree 👍 and it seems to be the witness of others in comments. It looks to me like Satan accusing the brethren. Sowing discord among the body is not ok with The Spirit of Christ.
We watch your videos a lot but we disagree here. The man was a stripper who performed on a pole. Even if he wasn’t officially a stripper (which he is) no man should be shirtless on a pole looking like a stripper at a men’s conference considering how many men struggle with pornography addiction or same sex attraction etc. we wrestle not against flesh and blood and the world is under the sway of the evil one. What does it matter what name he called the demonic spiritual influence ? The fact is this was wrong and as the church we should be separate from the world not acting just like them enjoying the “show”. This isn’t a “stunt” it clearly looks like a stripper pole and as a woman I find this highly offensive for a “Christian” men’s “conference” to be pushing this on men …….. I don’t care who rebukes it I’m just glad someone did. More men should be rebuking this garbage. I’m surprised that isn’t the sole focus of the video. Also, I highly doubt that everyone who makes you tube video goes to their brother “privately” first before posting these RUclips videos about each other….…… the hypocrisy is astounding.
Wow....that last sentence. Righteous anger....I agree totally. Such hypocrisy..well put my sister in Christ. Also can you imagine what would happen if we had a women's conference and we had a women doing stunts on a p;ole??? The laughing and jeering from so many that would entail? The entire thing is a sad mess.
I read a comment from a mother of two sons who attended the conference and she was ashamed and broken-hearted that they are even connected with the church where this occurred.
I’m a reformed baptist pastor and James River is 25 minutes away. The performance is not biblical for a men’s conference. Both men are off base in so many ways.
I’m just a Christian woman and I agree with you 💯. How was any of that edifying, glorifying or encouraging in the faith? The conference does not seem to be biblically spiritual and I’d be suspicious of any “pastor” participating. Driscoll’s rebuke was imo not done right either. And then he retracted it?! I think they are a bunch of unregenerate men who need to go somewhere, repent and come to Christ - go on to serve God, quietly and humbly. They make Christianity look bad.
@@aprilbrooks7114 Why wasn't it done right? Are you saying rebukes aren't supposed to be public as Lindell suggested with his Mat18 reference? Yes, rebukes can and sometimes should be public as Paul in Galatians 2 makes known.
Driscoll is nothing but a troll trying to sell books and make money. He had the nerve to stand in front of a congregation and rant about "God" giving him explicit pornographic visions of men and women cheating on their spouses. He is no better than the ones he rebukes.
@michaeldorsey4580 - But there was zero hostility from Mark. That's the point. He very agreeably accepted what the head pastor said peaceably. It never got in the realm of "yanking" or "dragged". The title was click bait. This hour video was a lot of mind reading and stretching of facts bare minimum. Peter's doesn't know his heart or if he ever repented. It's more of "You're not a Calvinist so we can judge you out of heaven". I think that's wrong. Most true Christians aren't Calvinists.
Justin Peters help countless of people from staying away from these false,fake pastors plus their wallets is more full by exposing all them fake self proclaimed prophets all they want is your money to maintain their lifestyle.. mansions,jets, lavish vacations.and they say to their church Members you paid for it...
I don't understand one thing, was it wrong for Mark to point out the evil? We surely cannot tell the heart in this case, see 1 Samuel 16:7 Jeremiah 17:10. I don't think Mark standing up to this incident should be an opportunity to discuss whether he is qualified or not. This video should be more about the act on the stage than a man taking a bold step to address the issue. He risked his friendship with his associates in the conference. Whether we disagree/agree that Mark is qualified or not, I think we need to also be humble and know that God can use anyone he pleases. Psalms 115:3
God can you anyone he pleases, but He doesn't use those who are teaching and promoting wickedness and carnality. For example, Mark D decided to share the sexual exploits of some guy. Who stands up in a pulpit and gets sexuslly graphic talking to a stadium filled with men?? Who does that? No legit pastor I know of.
Because all mark did was act like he was upset about something to capitalize on gaining more fans and controversy to make him self look like a hero. Dude is a phony and wants to be the next Jordan Peterson so bad.
That pastor should have remembered 1 Thess 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil". The pole brought an immediate thought of how that is used by the world.
That is the absolute truth ... all the rest of the discussion is trivial ... praising the Lord is not a circus, and a circus atmosphere should not be tolerated by anyone who is serious about their faith while "supposedly" praising the Lord. Thank you for stating the obvious, well said Sir!
And this hour of gossip and personal bias and opinion isn’t serving God either. Feels like an attempt for views and divisiveness in The Church. Having no feeling about either of these guys (first time seeing) I sense a lot of arrogance and pride in the way they speak about “their knowledge” of Scripture while putting Mark down.
@@Socrates21stCentury no it isn’t. I’ve not gossiped or put anyone down. It’s instinct from someone who doesn’t have a dog in this race and doesn’t care about a “side” other than the truth. I just learned about both of these guys and I’m just pointing out a very clear bias that was demonstrated in this video. I’ve always had strong intuition and discernment when it comes to these things and could point to a number of things in my life that support this, but I won’t here. My comment wasn’t in opposition to the original comment , it was in addition to it. By the way, I completely agree with both his and your comment.
Driscoll lied about the performance. A shirtless dude shoved a sword down his throat, climbed a pole or ladder or something, and slide down like a firefighter. The end. So for Driscoll to describe in great detail what happens in a strip club is sus. Like he's been there a lot. Even then, what happened at the conference and Driscoll's description of a strip club don't even match. "Projecting" will be a very educational word to look up.
I watched the video and was NOT "pole dancing", like in a strip club. The man was a sword swallower and very physically strong. I'm not saying it was appropriate for a Christian event, but it wasn't a strip act either.
@@BeLovelyOK Your comprehension skills need work. I basically said it wasn't appropriate in church. However, it wasn't as Mark described it. He exaggerated. And it wasn't HIS church. He violated scripture.
As christians, we are supposed to be holy and set apart. Our gatherings should not look like the world's gatherings. When christians gather and something is being done that doesn't honor God, someone needs to call it out. The church is losing the Fear of the Lord and isnt respecting Him as the King He is. Something needs to change.
No , that shouldn’t have ever been in church - on the stage . It does not look nice - it doesn’t feel right . . It feels wrong. I dont think Matk was wrong at all. Who knows how many men are fighting against lusting after other men , that was sitting there in the audience? Let everything be done in descents and in order to. Now, to the world - this probably seems like no big deal . Cause the world is awful and are use to seeing all kinds of things worse than this . But to men and women of God , it is out of order .
Why was that “entertainment” necessary? I can tell you right now, my pastor would not have sat through that performance, he too would have called out that outrageous behavior! Mark called a spade a spade.
No matter how detestable Driscoll is, I think it is important not to overlook the abominable nature of the exhibition with the gay stripper swallowing a sword and dancing on a pole at the Christian men's conference. Even if f he was acting the opportunist, he was at least on the right side of the issue. God is not a respecter of persons, and neither should we be. Let's focus on "what" is right and not "who" is right.
I find it detestable that men or women like you believe men like Justin then tear down the body of Christ like scourging Jesus (body of Christ) all over again... Bunch of gossipers. You should repent. I applaud Mark for standing up for righteousness. No matter what you do or how you do it, there will be a 1000 critics... No wonder our country is so divided with Christians tearing each other down like this. At least AOC and Nancy Pelosi can agree... If we have the spirit of God and Truth, how much more should we? Disgusting really. I'm ashamed that many of you represent me as a believer in Yeshua... I applaud anyone who stands for righteousness. It was very risky. He could have lost church members over this and friends, but he did what he believed in his heart was right and necessary. I doubt it will affect his book sales and he probably doesn't care about book sales. Woe to you, bunch of hypocrites, Matthew 23...
Praise the Lord for men like Mark Driscoll! He does not entertain the worldly spirit that was being paraded on that stage. Jealousy is a curse guys and smugness is unbecoming.
I was at the conference and Mark Driscoll did not want to say what God had him say, I saw the fear in him when he started to speak, confronting demons is not easy, even for a believer. I wish Mark would not have come back on stage and apologized, he shouldn’t have , I’m glad I went to the conference, this incident gave me more motivation to live for Christ and confront the demonic than any of the motivational speakers they had there
It is very bizarre! Why start a men's conference with this garbage? There is no video clip here of the actual stripper pole and the guy being seductive in his act. You could see the older men on the front row with looks of "what" on their faces. It was nothing to do with teaching men to be good fathers, husband's and godly men. Mark was correct in his assessment.
You didn't show the clip of the man rip off his shirt and dance half-dressed on a stripper pole! Mark isn't the problem! Why would the issue be Mark and not he pastor that allowed this crap to go on??? God will judge.
@g.h_-heart-_bunny I watched half an hour of it. I'm not a Driscoll fan but he did nothing wrong. His video would be on the stripper at a Christian conference, not Driscoll.
Well, you might not be a Driscoll "fan," but you're certainly his apologist even as you're trolling on this video. He's horrendously in error and needs to repent, step down from any leadership role, and sit under biblical teaching. Anyone defending him is not only equally in error but lacking true spiritual discernment.
@@arclemons1967 whatever you think about Driscoll, pointing out that he's right about the strip pole show isn't "defending" his entire life or his errors, heresies, etc. On the other hand, defending the strip pole dancing thing IS disgusting.
Did you notice how he described the act at the beginning of this video as a man on stage swallowing a sword… no mention of a stripper and stripper pole… so my question is Justin peters is who is deceiving who… just another pastor that I have lost all respect for
@@michaelbrowder5251so you didn't hear how brother Peters in both interviews said that he doesn't approve of any of the stuff going on at that conference? They weren't discussing whether or not it was appropriate, as Travis Allen said, what was really inappropriate was attatching the name of Jesus Christ to a circus as if He is just another headlining act. It was a given in both interviews that the entire conference was corrupt, they were focusing on Driscoll's hypocrisy and attention seeking. To be honest, if a man finds another man shirtless on a pole to be sexually gratifying, he probably needs Jesus.
Problem number one- they had a stripper at a Christian men’s conference. Correction needed to be given. All the rest of the rhetoric is a moot point. There is no defense or justification for putting that kind of an act on, I don’t care who else has preached in that pulpit in the past.
Perfect example of Shunning the one in the right and sugar coating the Sin that happened on that stage. Like people mentioned in the comments, what about people that struggle with porn, or have changed their life from a gay life style. That would be like offering Beer at a AA meeting.
You forget Justin said Driscoll has been involved with the putting on of this “show” since 2017. He knew who this guy was before he showed up. He has been a narcissist for decades and thrives on pushing the envelope. He’s no better than Todd Bentley the perverted still preaching “pastor.”
Two things can be true at the same time. This act and this conference can be awful AND Mark Driscoll can have wrong motives. All of these people appear to be motivated by self-aggrandizement .
Stripper with a stripper pole…to open a men’s conference… to be honest with you I don’t care if he did do it as a publicity stunt… I believe Pastor Mark took a stand, which I believe you are taking the wrong stand which I have always respected you, but I can’t believe the way you describe this because that is deceitful… you didn’t say anything about the stripper pole had a man swallowing a sword… evidently nobody else was willing to call it out‼️‼️‼️
If a pastor or Church puts their ok to such immorality publicly they should be rebuked publicly!!! If something like that is done in private another learns about it. they should be rebuked privately !!! I believe the WORD of GOD, backs that up !!!
@@moseskimani4525Justin Peter judgement on this is not wholesome.Even Spencer did not go with him. Justin Peter is not the omniscient God who knows the intent and mind of Mark . However such entertainment is way off as you said . The church well received the rebuke form their reaction and receptivity...So so sad the Church is becoming worldly and the world is becoming churchy
Sad you guys gonna attack Justin and defend Driscoll. Who claims to see pornography visions from God. teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/08/pornographic-divination.html?m=1
I'm no apologist for Mark Driscoll, however, I don't blame him for calling out this type of performance. Perhaps Mark Driscoll will learn a lesson from his participation in events like this, and re-examine the direction he has been going in the recent past.
I think it is more the way he did it more than calling it out. Likening that to an Asherah pole and invoking "the Jezebel spirit" is a dramatic performance, doubly so when Mark has been involved in the circus for years and says nothing until now.
@@beaberean3286 not to charismatics like Driscoll they aren't. And yes, demonic influence is real. However, we are also capable of sin and foolishness on our own with no influence necessary. We can't blame it all on them and not own up to it ourselves.
Wow! I did not see this coming! What a let-down, dear Justin, that you are not letting the Holy Spirit lead you on this one. Prayers for your body and soul ♡
U understand that this was a publicity stunt right? And know time the night before did he confront pastor John or Alex. Alex is a born again Christian with a bad past. He is best in the world when it comes to sword swallowing performance. He is not a current stripper nor was that a stripper pole or stripper performance.
Everyone cheered Mark on, then boo'd the church pastor, but then they flipped during his speech i guess because it's his church. Lots of confused people there.
Flabbergasted by this video’s goal. Best I leave it there…… *see the “call for Mark to repent” clip….. a complete error in use of Matthew 18, by guy who runs James River place.
If you actually watched the video instead of immediately reacting to whatever triggered you, you would know that the whole thing was a publicity stunt. Driscoll is a scammer.
Anything and everything is allowed in churches and conferences these days. I don't know if Driscoll is a liar or not, but I know he told the truth that day and I totally agree with him.
Hello Justin, theres a video on YT of Mark Driscoll apologizing for not talking to the pastor privately. Do you still think that Mark Driscoll had selfish intentions? I think he had good intentions.
The American church is being entertained to ( spiritual death) which is the most concerning thing here, there shouldnt have been 5 men to show up for this .......this is why we've lost spiritual efficacy in the world.
Honestly, that doesn't look at all like a "stripper act". Just because it's different, another "temptation" would be to judge it impulsively as demonic. Which is often lazy, if not fearful / prideful. Don't throw out Common Sense in discernment.
When you get correctly called out by someone like Mark Driscoll you are not in a good place as a pastor…and John has not been a good place for quite a while.
Let's remember too that Mark said I am not calling anyone out , I am address the Jezebel Spirit that opened this conference. So why would he need to to go to Lindell ?
24:00 "did anyone really think this resembled a stripper performance?" YES. Literally everyone knows that is a stripper pole. That's what they're called.
And if you watch till almost the end he ends up upside down on the pole with his arms outstretched as Christ was upright with His arms outstretched nailed to a cross. Intentional or not from the performer the parallel is disturbing.
Wrong things were being done in the church with a stripper on a pole! Fact! Mark Driscol called them out for their bad behavior. Fact! Lindel didn’t like it and tried to defend himself. Fact! It’s not complicated. Truth hurts! Anyone who thinks that having that stripper there with a pole in a church is OK seriously needs to hit their prayer closet and spend some time with Christ. This behavior out of Lindel by defending having a stripper in a church is completely unacceptable! I don’t know what book you’re reading, but the one that I read tells me that strippers in church I s not of Christ! That’s the kind of crap that He died on the cross for! 🤦🏻♀️
I find you, Justin Peters, as part of the problem with the church today. Mark Driscoll had the courage to stand up and call sexual immorality out. The Jezebel spirit is blatantly in the church.... If you can't see what the problem was with the opening 'act' then God help you
Looks like the Driscoll cult it out in full swing. Defending the guy that receives pornographic visions. teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/08/pornographic-divination.html?m=1
Leave it to Mark to blame the abject failing of this “men’s conference” on a woman. IE Jezabel. And I agree with Justin on this. The “Jezabel spirit isn’t a thing and just demonizes women even further.
So focused on discrediting a man but refusing to call out the absolutley appalling act that went on in the Church! Such a shame. Stronger man is one who lays down his life for others and is sacrificial. Not strippers and tanks and macho. Using these to win souls is false conversion.
@@lesothobound in a very weak way then the questionable guest started defending the acts and Justin Peters allowed him to lie and misuse scriptures. Oh they had other events that were shirtless. Boxing enters shirtless. Stripper enter with shirt and rips it off. Difference! Oh its macho and 99% can't be gay etc. As a man and in my opinion that has all the indications of homosexuality. We men don't try so hard to prove our masculinity. They love Matthew 18 and yet they are here in public domain discrediting and attacking Mark. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Three things can be true. 1.) Driscoll was in the moment right to call out whatever was going on... A broken clock is right twice a day. 2.) Driscoll is a grifter, as seen by his fall from Mars Hill 3.) This "mens conference" didn't have anything to do with Biblical masculinity.
Pastor Mark Driscoll is not tolerated in APOSTATE churches, for obvious reasons. He is courageous in speaking the Word of God and confronting wickedness. Truth is the new hate speech in today's lukewarm and apostate churches.
During the discussion about the Ahab and Jezabel spirit they got the definition wrong of what traits belong to each spirit (did they listen to Mark's sermon on the subject)? The Ahad spirit is passive while the Jezabel spirit is controlling... It's interesting that the women who have seen the video have said this was very much a strip show like performance, dudes just don't get it sometimes. Bottom line it was a very poor choice to have at a men's biblical conference, regardless of the Mark Driscoll controversery.
You are absolutely correct, they got it wrong and I believe that was intentional. The Ahab and Jezebel spirits can affect both men and women. Seemly both of these men have no idea what Ephesians 6:12 teaches us. In my view, they are both lying gossips.
This whole debacle is embarrassing to the church. The fact that it's happening, the video exposing or explaining it, all of it is ridiculous. We should all be ashamed.
Why do I sense a more judgemental perspective in this video, then just "exposing" Mark's sins? Why do I feel that you guys should have addressed more on how inappropriate it was that guys show in a church.
He seems more interested in dunking on someone for internet points that admitting how inappropriate the performance was. This whole video feels gross. It's like watching cable news.
@otallono I think you're missing the point of the name of this video. And that is that Mark got removed (albeit with words) but still got removed from the pulpit. And Mark Driscoll has been proven to be a liar, a cheat and an abuser of women.
He should just got up and said said, "If Jesus was on the front row, what would He have thought about that man ripping off his shirt and climbing a stripper pole."
I really feel like you guys are counting the pennies and missing the dollars here. There should NOT have been a ridiculous performer like that to open the conference. The giggling and the picking apart of Mark's phrasing seems beneath you. Maybe this men's conference is in fact a carnival. I would never go to this if that's the case. Seems utterly absurd.
@lespaul382 why do you even listen to Justin if you think he doesn't know truth? Honestly don't understand people like yourself...unless you're a mole and follow just to revile him.
What about the guy having a guy dancing on a stripper pole who used to be a stripper a male stripper swallowing swords with no shirt on in a church service? The guy used to be a male stripper and he's shirtless in a church service
You’re making this about Mark Driscoll. You’re wrong. You speak on misinformation. Mark Driscoll was rebuking the opening act because they had a man rip his shirt off as he did things to a pole (much like a stripper pole) and started to swallow swords. As Mark Driscoll was told to leave the stage, they booed the pastor of the church who told Mark to stop. Then the audience booed the pastor. I understanding having an axe to grind because you dislike Mark Driscoll, but you’re spreading misinformation.
How can you NOT say that this event was wrong? I am glad Mark Driscoll called this out I'm so surprised that the people on this channel think it's okay. It's so Unholy.
@@Hannelore7 How is he calling it out by trying to dicredit the Pastor and Stir in a lil extra sh t? The time has come when men like the owner of this channel will not be respected but the blinders will suddenly come off. We are called to repentance.If you cannot sow peace then SHUT UP!
@@Hannelore7so why is he attacking Driscoll in this video? I get that Driscoll is problematic but I am struggling to see what he did wrong here, other than not following protocol in speaking to the pastor in private first
What a bizarre comment on Driscoll. I think the so called "stronger man" is really a circus, Christian light nonsense. Justin you should have concentrated on that abortion of a show rather than attack Driscoll who as you say may be an opportunist, but that conference should be the issue here.
@@G.H._bunny... You are weak spiritually if you agree with the hiring of a male stripper to open a men's conference. No matter what you think of Mark Driscoll (I don't even know who that is), you have to speak against sin in the camp. Revelation's letters to the 7 churches in Asia by the First and the Last, should be reason enough to know the importance of cleaning up the Lord's house. Have we forgotten when Jesus overturned the money changer's tables in anger about activities in the Lord's house?
@@G.H._bunny no one is defending him but taking a stand for those appaling abominations that occur in the church. You guys have no idea of who Christ is? Then why are you so much like the world?
There was a stage. A stripper pole. Elevated Stage Red Lighting. A man with Black glittery clothing. The man ripped his shirt off. Then... The man slowly licked the whole sword before swallowing it. Then he ascended. Then quickly slid down and held his arms out as in the Appearance of an upside down depiction of christ on an upside down cross as he had the swird in his mouth! WTH!?
You probably get that impression because the video stays focused on Driscoll instead of going on a tangent. One could counter, I get the sense that your dislike over an inappropriate exhibition outweighs your concern over outright dishonesty.
@ricksonora6656 I get that because mark was right. And it took great guts to stand up and do that. It was disgraceful what they did, and even more for what's his face to try an belittle it. Lost all credibility if he ever had it with me, anyway.
You dont have to be qualified to stand at the pulpit to call something for what it is. Personally I think any church who performs these acts are not giving glory to God. They are making a mockery of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Another sign of the end times we live in.
Amen. Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! ( Isaiah 5:20)
Jesus would have likely turned over the sound control tables and brought that “conference” to a screeching halt if He were there. Good on Driscoll for calling them out!
This is exactly the kind of chaos that I would expect from James River and Lindell. Just goes to show you that Lindell has zero discernment and that lack of discernment bit him hard this time. Stay away from this "church" and these "pastors".
I don't agree with everything that Mark Driscoll says, but he had a right to rebuke the men at the Stronger Men's Conference. The level of depravity at this event is sickening and the fact that Justin Peters condones it is very discouraging. Sadly he's blind and deaf to spiritual truth that's directly in front of him.
Had it been a secular event, like say, a football game, I imagine there would have been some fellas heading for the door when that guy started pole dancing…. How very sad the men in that church were either not offended or were not brave enough to leave during that performance.
Here’s what SHOULD and SHOULD NOT have happened: 1) The “performer“ should’ve been vetted and vetted carefully. 2) The “performance “should’ve been stopped immediately, mid-act, and John Lindell should have publicly apologized. 3) Mark Driscoll should’ve gone to John Lindell in private first, before calling out the “performance” as evil and disgusting (which it was). 4) Mark should have told him, “Are you going to condemn the ‘performance’ and apologize before I get up to speak?” 5) Mark should have refused to speak until the “performance” was condemned and a public apology given. 6) John should not have acted hypocritically by publicly calling out Mark for publicly calling out the “performance”. 7) People in charge of the “performance” selection and approval should resign.
I agree except, we don't know that Pastor Mark didn't first follow the Matthew model by going to the pastor first asking him to remove the performer. We don't know if he them went with a second person. Then it would be appropriate to call it out publicly. I agree completely with what you said in it's entirety except add the Matthew model for disagreement in the church.
Actually the Bible instructs us to go to the individual first, then take a witness, then publicly rebuke. We are not privy to these interactions that may or may not have taken place. Man, TV/RUclips opens a lot bigger can of worms doesn't it. Add far as I've seen, Mark has publicly apologized and made amends even tho he stood by his stance on the pole dancer. Can you imagine being the pole dancer in all this? The world is so upside down. Help us Jesus!!!
Have you considered that if Mark first approached John, and John refused to apologize or allow Mark to get up and speak, then the act would not have publicly been condemned at all?
1) the sword dude ripped off his 👕 shirt during the performance. He didn't simply take it off. 2) You didn't do your homework. The pole dancer did his act the day before! 24 hours earlier. Driscoll was hoarse (because he says on stage) that he was crying out before God what to say. (Not 30 min before, like you state.) 3) I've never seen a stripper pole, but in my ignorance, and only seeing the act on video, I can say it didn't sit right. It raised a red flag as a child of God. I felt it was a stripper stunt!
Coming from a woman. I think the whole thing was a "drama" show. There whole mannerism and their behavior was "drama". How distasteful. Was it a setup?
As a woman, I don't see how this kind of entertainment is what is necessary to develop stronger, Godly, men. What does this kind of show have to do with a Biblically spiritual men's conference? No wonder we're where we are.
Yes, what does real strong Christian manhood have to do with all that circus? And what does a *church* do, putting on that kind of entertainment?
BOOM
Nothing at all.
I second that as a woman! The devil is after the men for a reason.
@@NotTodaySatan705 No, the church, the true church, has not fallen. It is still strong. However, there are so many of these false churches, it is easy to think that the church has fallen.
If Driscoll hadnt said anything, the world wouldnt know how apostate that conference was. Would you prefer that?
Ii agree
What sin was committed?
Discernment of a potato
I would have, in fact, preferred that. But Mark enabled that crap, and he didn’t say anything during the half hour alone with the pastor. The whole place seems like it was a basket case.
@@CulwhickbeoccaOk, so Mark admittedly fell into the sin of cowardice until he finally felt convicted enough and mustered enough courage to do the right thing. Are you saying you never delayed when the Lord tells you to do something difficult (and potentially embarrassing) for Him?
Regardless of Driscoll calling it out, the pole performance was absolutely sexualized and inappropriate. I can only imagine how that kind of performance affected the attendees who struggle with porn.
And these 2 are naive to think that there are men in attendance who don’t struggle with their sexual orientation. Laughing about it even that it’s absurd. Denying there was anything sexual. That was crazy. It’s like TDS. The hatred for T makes people think/believe things that are untrue. Their dislike of Mark is doing the same thing. I don’t know who was sitting in Justin’s left… but I’m not a fan.
I'm so disappointed
Agreed. It’s sexualized.
Or men who struggle with homosexuality. This had NO place at a men's conference. Shame on you for making this about Mark Driscoll. This is about inappropriate conduct in church.
@@shuffman8094 Good point, was thinking this myself...especially how sexual morality flipped where we call evil good and good evil.
I mean, they had a male stripper - at a man’s conference - swallowing a sword. The sexual imagery of that is unacceptable and should have been called out.
Are you okay with all the rest?
Also, did you watch the video until the end?
@@wesmurphy9725he stripped his shirt off, caressed a strip pole and licked a sword before swallowing it. That’s all the context I need. I call it as I see it and that was a strip tease. Plain and simple, if it quacks like a duck….
@@wesmurphy9725How’s this for context: he stripped off his shirt, caresses a strip pole and licks a sword before swallowing it. If it quacks like a duck…
@@wesmurphy9725he performed an act that is what he did before. If an ex female stripper is born again and then performs on a pole, is it ok because she’s born again?
@@wesmurphy9725 He can call it a candy cane pole for all I care. The way he performed/movements/licking are the same provocative acts as a stripper.
What ever happened to making Jesus Christ and His work on the cross the attraction of a men’s conference? It has to be Holy Spirit that draws them to the truth, and not some dog and pony show. Apostasy at its finest.
Ohhh well all these giant churches cozying up to Hollywood, celebrity, and preaching ridiculous tongues-mumbojumbo and prosperity Gospel are cults engaged in laundering tens of millions of dollars of drug money.
Aaaaand ...this is why i worship alone with MY God LORD Jesus in Spirit and Truth!
I'll provide my opinion. I think it is because these pastors realize that the appropriate theme, as you mentioned being Jesus and His death, burial, and resurrection on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins, is not one that will attract the largest audience, with the main goal being to make money. Personally, I am not a fan of retreats.
This is the start of churches going down, becoming worldly
We are living in the last days,
What is right will be wrong, what is wrong will be right
@@nopms "And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."
I'm not a fan of Mark Driscoll, but I think he was right to call out the publicity stuntman
At first I was against Mark. I thought he was over reacting. But then I heard the crowd and pastors reaction an realized Mark hit the nail on the head. They all sounded like a bunch of pagan leftists.
I am no fan of Mark Driscoll, but come on guys. Mark Driscoll was right, and your(poor) attempt to discredit him is beneath you. @Justin Peters
I don’t think it’s one or the other…I think the circus act and the entire conference itself has been a mockery of God. I don’t think Justin is standing up for them. He’s just saying that mark is not a hero…he endorses weird stuff all of the time and rebuking a stripper guy you hired by claiming he has the jezebel spirit or whatever is not the mark of a godly man. Go start your own conference without any charismatic/new age/fog machine bologna. Don’t set yourself up to be in places where this stuff is happening so you can act like a hero for rebuking demons you summoned to the event lol.
Absolutely!!!!
@@quinnpeterson2716 yes, you’re absolutely right. And while a rebuke was in order, that was not the place for it unless it was about more than what a rebuke is hoped to achieve. The whole thing is just as you’ve said, a mockery of God.
I’m just a plain person (woman) and can’t figure out for the life of me why any of these idiotic performances would be useful in encouraging godliness in men. That there was even a need to have a discussion about whether there was some sensual stuff going on directed towards homosexuality or otherwise is all the evidence that I need to know that God wasn’t in that place and had nothing to do with the planning of that wicked event. Ridiculous.
Amen to that!
I agree with you.
I rarely comment but COME ON GUYS THERE IS NEVER EVER A GOOD REASON TO HAVE A STRIPPER AND A POLE AT A CHURCH EVENT!
It’s outrageous that mark of all people would be the one to point it out!!!
The other leaders should be ashamed!!!!
It’s absolutely absurd!
This. He could have easily performed tricks and such without the stripper pole portion of his act. Let me be clear; I don’t think he should have been hired at all but if they were going to hire him they could have left out the pole.
Can you imagine having to actually TELL a professing Christian that that is wrong??? This is insane.
I agree!
Why would you be shocked it was Mark , because these teachers on this channel have convinced you that Mark is not a man of God. They are wrong.
Think about this these teachers are laughing and making excises for satan ... It is more important to these two to ridicule and tear apart Mark than to call out the sin.
And to admire his strength for being able to take a stand.
Something that lindell nor these two on this channel could EVER do.
Whatever Mark’s motives he was on point
As a woman, this gave off a total strip vibe. If you guys don't see it, ask the Lord to open your eyes.
Exactly. Can’t it be jezebel if it’s sexual.
Justin is naive, and far more concerned with pointing out other people's heresy than he is in promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just look at all of his content: It's all accusations and finger pointing. This man needs an urgent plea to himself to step away from the ministry scene, because he isnt doing it well at all. He needs to spend more time reading the word than preaching it.
Justin Peters showed it to you, shame on him. If he thinks it was inappropriate to show a bunch of men, why has he now shown 152,000 people on RUclips?
Amen
Right
This is no church, it looks like something at a secular show in a stadium. Absolutely weird, God help us.
And therein lies one of the HUGE issues of our time! Church is meant to be for the saints of God, not an entertainment venue for the world. In fact, it’s not for “the world” at all. This is an attack on the biblical doctrine of the saints coming together AND a major distortion of the Gospel.
@joanarc7963 without all the talent of one
As a exhomosexual this is absolutely unacceptable in a church setting. You want to be entertained go to a strip club like the unsaved
Amen
Congratulation on overcoming a major challenge. I'm ex a lot of things, God is good.
@@marymorris6897 First truly humble post here that I've read. I am very happy for you. God is sooooo good. :)
@@TangibleTania Thank you. These are such hard times. We really need to encourage each other. XOXOXXO
Absolutely agree, brother.
How dare they trivialize the potential stumbling block that this could be to so many others who struggle with these sins. justin peters needs to pray.
I’m not an advocate of Mark Driscoll at all, however in this case I think he’s correct to call that out. Entertainment in the church is out of control
If Driscoll hadn’t prefaced what he said as ‘NOT a rebuke’ against anyone, I’d have a little more respect for what he said. That was weak and it undermined his message. He also didn’t need to say more than ‘stripper pole’ etc. Telling everyone to view it as an Asherah pole brought unnecessary complexity.
That said, there were male temple prostitutes at pagan gatherings in OT Times (and possibly still).
It was just ‘saying too much’ and allowing too much opportunity for rebuttal imho.
Keep it simple! Straight Christian Men don’t want to watch men on stripper poles; End of story.
Straight Christian Men MIGHT want to watch scantily-clad women on stripper poles (and that’s a separate issue in our hearts that lustily crave such sin).
A pole absolutely can be viewed as a phallic symbol and yes, that’s why female and gay male strippers perform on them.
@tromtacular Oh look, I agree with everything you said. I’m not a fan of the man and do believe he’s unqualified to be behind the pulpit, but I think he’s correct to call this nonsense out. Was his motive for doing so self seeking? More than likely
@@Electrical_smell, I agree, but if there was a way to categorically prove the matter one way or another (and that proof was pending), and IF I was a betting man, I’d bet good money that Driscoll pre-planned a ‘call-out’ of some kind prior to attending the event (and what a perfect clown-show/circus to attend for such a purpose) as a publicity stunt to attract more followers to himself. He growled, Lindell growled louder and Driscoll quickly submitted to the pack-leader just like a wolf does. Are these men wolves? I don’t know much about Lindell, but I’ve learned about Driscoll and he’s a wolf in my opinion and if the company a man keeps is an indicator… well, 🤷🏼♂️
Just my opinion. If I’m wrong, so be it.
A thousand OTHER men there should have called it out, not Mark.
It’s too bad he caved in the following day and apologized.
Driscoll can be a publicity stuntman, and a shirt-stripping, pole-dancing, shaft-swallowing showman can be out of place for a church setting at the same time
💯
Great point!
This is really the long and short of it.
Yep. Agreed! 2 things can be true at the same time.
He addressed this to the men the day after. How could it have been staged......people just dont think or research anything anymore 😞
Sad you boys didn't call this out! Not appropriate entertainment. Not saying I like Driscoll. But he called it correctly here
He didn't call it out correctly, there was a lot of error in his calling out (theologically and doctrinally).
I think the Pastor from AZ should go to Mark Driscoll who also has a church in AZ and speak with him using the word to correct him!
They brought in a stripper at a Christian mens conference. It's highly inappropriate. I'm glad there are men like Mark D calling this nonsense out.
Are you also glad of Mark D teaching on song of solomon 2:3?
Well, that is a mischaracterization. The man was a stripper at some time in the past, and is now a Christian by all accounts. Still, it was very innapropriate.
it was a big show put on by marky
Mark Driskel was right to rebuke that garbage.
He absolutely was right. That was pure filth
It is laughable to take Driscoll seriously when he has never taken responsibility for his disaster at Mars Hill, and his cowardly departure from there.
And,
This conference's website came across as a frat party invite, nothing about what Biblical teaching would be given. Seems obvious they may do something outlandish.
Neither side is right in this.
It's an embarassment to genuine, sincere believers.
He would’ve been right if he hadn’t done it purely for his own benefit. It was yet another hustle
He only rebuked that one garbage, not the rest of the masculine circus. And if you did watch this video, you know he didn't do it because he cared.
I don’t care who called it out, this was evil and needed to be publicly addressed.
Can you please tell me where this ''worldly'' exhibition has any place in a Christian men's meeting? Speak up, the cricket sounds are too loud!
They criticized the entire conference over & over again.
Satan planted that whole thing in the spiritual realm, in the carnal there is no way that would
Happen without satans doing
It happens every Sunday in thousands of "churches". Scripture and preaching Christ has been replaced with entertainment in many places.
Did you watch the video dude? Were you actually listening?
Maybe Justin needs to isolate the soundbites where he called out the need for the sword swallower to repent and come to Christ if he is lost and that the church it took place is a goat farm.
If you think a man getting up on a stage and taking off some of his clothes is holy, then i don't know what to say. And if it isn't holy, then it has to be unholy, if its unholy, it is of Satan
Its stupid and irreverent to God. It stinks of love of the world. So many churches today will do anything but open a Bible and study it in earnest.
They literally said it’s not and had no place at a gospel preaching conference. Did you even watch the video?
That’s not the point of the video. They’re not trying to defend what was done, as godly. They’re saying that he was being a showman. The claim that this event is a, “goat farm” deals with whether this is holy or not. The claim is that it wasn’t a homosexual display.
@hunteroxentine3661 bet it was check out his history at least 10-12 years ago
That is not the point of the video.
"yanked" off stage? More like respectably walked off. Proud of him for standing up for truth.
I wonder how many men chose to leave with him? They all should have left.
Just with Justing saying that shows he has ulterior motives. It's sad because he is so right on some things but got swayed by satan to attack the wrong man. Sadly he's been trying to find a way to bring Mark down for years, but God is protecting him.
I don't like when Justin sensationalizes things to try and get clicks. That's what the world does.
@patrickgragg5602 Nothing shows someone's intelligence level more than typing in all CAPS. It shows that they have no substance and they need to try and yell their point across. The interesting thing is that you stopped educating yourself at the point Justin wanted you to so you look ignorant. Mark has been working with the other pastor's son (who is also a pastor at the church) to help them turn away from the things they are getting into. I know actually caring about other people is foreign to you because your god is Justin Peters and caring for people is the last thing on his mind. Mark cares for people so much that he's trying to help them turn to God and John has been putting out attacking messages constantly since it happened and Mark is not being childish and letting God speak for him. This should be a wake-up call for you in your life. This is a Jesus/Pharisee moment we are watching. Mark speaks the truth (FYI he is a flawed man and fails like everyone else) Pharisees have attacked him over and over since it happened. One is Justin. Mark spoke the truth and left it at that. But the Pharisees need to keep attacking because they don't have God on their side. Mark is more worried about the men's souls at the conference and the James River Church coming to repentance. You get to choose whose side you are on today.
@patrickgragg5602 you didn't hear what he said as he picked up his Bible and left? You may take issue with Mark Driscoll all you like, but he clearly wasn't "yanked" off stage as the title suggests.
I also took issue with the term “yanked”.
what kind of clickbait nonsense has justin turned his channel into.
The saddest part of all of this is that the baby Christians that attend conferences like this because of the hype, walk away expecting to be entertained in church. Regardless of whether this man is a stripper or not, the fact is, that we call out church services that include ridiculous stunts for entertainment, this should be no different.
Which they did.
No mark did. These to making a big too do of nothing!
You remind me of people who say grave soaking is not Biblical
Well I'm out as I don't know what grave soaking is let alone ever heard of it. I'm pretty sure I'm better off as is.
@@kateofone Grave soaking is NOT Biblical!
As a dad who just loss his two oldest children within two months, having a broken, and contrite heart. I've done some wicked, evil things in my life, far worse than these people are exhibiting before the world, and I Repent, and look into the mirror, and take inventory of myself, and my walk with my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ. I pray that Jesus will continue to pull this Wretch of a sinner out of the miery clay, and mold, shape, and form me into a Warrior, to help another precious soul who is hurting, struggling, and needing a Savior like I have In my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ AMEN.
So sorry to hear this Randy, may the Lord strengthen you and draw you closer to Him. I loved your message that you wrote.
Ooohhh I teared up this is heartbreaking. I'm so sorry for your loss and may Jesus hug you I pray. A long comforting hug from Jesus. Hope I don't sound silly I just pray He does. And may He answer your prayers.
I'm praying for you my friend. May I ask you if you have any other family or other kids to hold near?
I pray for you as I pray for myself and my unredeemed loved ones too. Repentance is a gift and I am going through it. It is my cross and I carry it with deepest gratitude. He is reforming us he is redeeming our lives from destruction. May he bless you with renewed knowledge of his profound love for you, for us. You are blessed. Now if we love him, we wl follow his commandments. There is now no condemnation for those, truly, in Christ. Endure til the end he said, in keeping his judgements, there is much reward.
Praying for you brother
Man, the fact that Driscoll calling this out is the controversy you're choosing to dwell on instead of the shirtless male stripper, is a little off the mark...
Yes
I agree 👍 and it seems to be the witness of others in comments. It looks to me like Satan accusing the brethren. Sowing discord among the body is not ok with The Spirit of Christ.
I totally agree!!!!
Justin Peters is a blister lover! 🤣😭
Not surprising
We watch your videos a lot but we disagree here. The man was a stripper who performed on a pole. Even if he wasn’t officially a stripper (which he is) no man should be shirtless on a pole looking like a stripper at a men’s conference considering how many men struggle with pornography addiction or same sex attraction etc. we wrestle not against flesh and blood and the world is under the sway of the evil one. What does it matter what name he called the demonic spiritual influence ? The fact is this was wrong and as the church we should be separate from the world not acting just like them enjoying the “show”. This isn’t a “stunt” it clearly looks like a stripper pole and as a woman I find this highly offensive for a “Christian” men’s “conference” to be pushing this on men …….. I don’t care who rebukes it I’m just glad someone did. More men should be rebuking this garbage. I’m surprised that isn’t the sole focus of the video. Also, I highly doubt that everyone who makes you tube video goes to their brother “privately” first before posting these RUclips videos about each other….…… the hypocrisy is astounding.
Wow....that last sentence. Righteous anger....I agree totally. Such hypocrisy..well put my sister in Christ. Also can you imagine what would happen if we had a women's conference and we had a women doing stunts on a p;ole??? The laughing and jeering from so many that would entail? The entire thing is a sad mess.
@@TangibleTania excellent point!
I read a comment from a mother of two sons who attended the conference and she was ashamed and broken-hearted that they are even connected with the church where this occurred.
I’m a reformed baptist pastor and James River is 25 minutes away. The performance is not biblical for a men’s conference. Both men are off base in so many ways.
I agree, they are both failing IMO. I dont like either of these guys, I will stick to my cs lewis.
Yeah,these two are ridiculous
Reformed baptist pastor ? Everyone should stop talking about this
I’m just a Christian woman and I agree with you 💯. How was any of that edifying, glorifying or encouraging in the faith? The conference does not seem to be biblically spiritual and I’d be suspicious of any “pastor” participating. Driscoll’s rebuke was imo not done right either. And then he retracted it?! I think they are a bunch of unregenerate men who need to go somewhere, repent and come to Christ - go on to serve God, quietly and humbly. They make Christianity look bad.
@@aprilbrooks7114 Why wasn't it done right? Are you saying rebukes aren't supposed to be public as Lindell suggested with his Mat18 reference? Yes, rebukes can and sometimes should be public as Paul in Galatians 2 makes known.
Mark Driscoll did the right Godly thing. Bless him for standing up. He wasn't yanked off, he walked off!
Well actually he was told to get off, and most likely would have had security dragged him off if he didn't leave on his own
Driscoll is nothing but a troll trying to sell books and make money. He had the nerve to stand in front of a congregation and rant about "God" giving him explicit pornographic visions of men and women cheating on their spouses. He is no better than the ones he rebukes.
@michaeldorsey4580 - But there was zero hostility from Mark. That's the point. He very agreeably accepted what the head pastor said peaceably. It never got in the realm of "yanking" or "dragged". The title was click bait.
This hour video was a lot of mind reading and stretching of facts bare minimum. Peter's doesn't know his heart or if he ever repented. It's more of "You're not a Calvinist so we can judge you out of heaven". I think that's wrong. Most true Christians aren't Calvinists.
Wrong he didn't walked off on his own admition,he wanted to keep on talking.he literally got verbally kicked off stage.
Justin Peters help countless of people from staying away from these false,fake pastors plus their wallets is more full by exposing all them fake self proclaimed prophets all they want is your money to maintain their lifestyle.. mansions,jets, lavish vacations.and they say to their church Members you paid for it...
I don't understand one thing, was it wrong for Mark to point out the evil? We surely cannot tell the heart in this case, see 1 Samuel 16:7 Jeremiah 17:10.
I don't think Mark standing up to this incident should be an opportunity to discuss whether he is qualified or not. This video should be more about the act on the stage than a man taking a bold step to address the issue. He risked his friendship with his associates in the conference.
Whether we disagree/agree that Mark is qualified or not, I think we need to also be humble and know that God can use anyone he pleases. Psalms 115:3
God can you anyone he pleases, but He doesn't use those who are teaching and promoting wickedness and carnality. For example, Mark D decided to share the sexual exploits of some guy. Who stands up in a pulpit and gets sexuslly graphic talking to a stadium filled with men?? Who does that? No legit pastor I know of.
What you don't understand is that this whole thing was fake. Drisco!l is fake.
So true. I’m glad this was called out.
Because all mark did was act like he was upset about something to capitalize on gaining more fans and controversy to make him self look like a hero. Dude is a phony and wants to be the next Jordan Peterson so bad.
@@TheTristanDixonyou are assuming that. You do not know if that is true. And even if it is… what he did was right.
That pastor should have remembered 1 Thess 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil". The pole brought an immediate thought of how that is used by the world.
Church is not a circus! These events make a mockery of God!
That is the absolute truth ... all the rest of the discussion is trivial ... praising the Lord is not a circus, and a circus atmosphere should not be tolerated by anyone who is serious about their faith while "supposedly" praising the Lord. Thank you for stating the obvious, well said Sir!
And this hour of gossip and personal bias and opinion isn’t serving God either. Feels like an attempt for views and divisiveness in The Church. Having no feeling about either of these guys (first time seeing) I sense a lot of arrogance and pride in the way they speak about “their knowledge” of Scripture while putting Mark down.
@@The1SSGrant Which is pretty much what you just did ...
@@Socrates21stCentury no it isn’t. I’ve not gossiped or put anyone down. It’s instinct from someone who doesn’t have a dog in this race and doesn’t care about a “side” other than the truth. I just learned about both of these guys and I’m just pointing out a very clear bias that was demonstrated in this video. I’ve always had strong intuition and discernment when it comes to these things and could point to a number of things in my life that support this, but I won’t here.
My comment wasn’t in opposition to the original comment , it was in addition to it. By the way, I completely agree with both his and your comment.
@@The1SSGrant Thank you, just clicking the "Thumbs Up" button does the same thing as a paragraph of text agreeing ... 🙂
I'm even struggling to see how a 'Christian' pastor or organisation even employs an entertainer to do a pole dancing act in the first place. 😲😲🤦🏿♀️
Driscoll lied about the performance.
A shirtless dude shoved a sword down his throat, climbed a pole or ladder or something, and slide down like a firefighter. The end.
So for Driscoll to describe in great detail what happens in a strip club is sus. Like he's been there a lot.
Even then, what happened at the conference and Driscoll's description of a strip club don't even match.
"Projecting" will be a very educational word to look up.
I watched the video and was NOT "pole dancing", like in a strip club. The man was a sword swallower and very physically strong. I'm not saying it was appropriate for a Christian event, but it wasn't a strip act either.
Thank you Mark for doing what you did. People are so deceived.
@@wisdomrules8474Would you feel comfortable watching that in person at a Church Event?
@@BeLovelyOK Your comprehension skills need work. I basically said it wasn't appropriate in church. However, it wasn't as Mark described it. He exaggerated. And it wasn't HIS church. He violated scripture.
As christians, we are supposed to be holy and set apart. Our gatherings should not look like the world's gatherings. When christians gather and something is being done that doesn't honor God, someone needs to call it out. The church is losing the Fear of the Lord and isnt respecting Him as the King He is. Something needs to change.
No , that shouldn’t have ever been in church - on the stage . It does not look nice - it doesn’t feel right . . It feels wrong. I dont think Matk was wrong at all. Who knows how many men are fighting against lusting after other men , that was sitting there in the audience? Let everything be done in descents and in order to. Now, to the world - this probably seems like no big deal . Cause the world is awful and are use to seeing all kinds of things worse than this . But to men and women of God , it is out of order .
Why was that “entertainment” necessary? I can tell you right now, my pastor would not have sat through that performance, he too would have called out that outrageous behavior! Mark called a spade a spade.
Exactly why would you have this kind of entertainment at a men's conference he had every right Calling this out
This is their way in getting members. What a shame.
No matter how detestable Driscoll is, I think it is important not to overlook the abominable nature of the exhibition with the gay stripper swallowing a sword and dancing on a pole at the Christian men's conference. Even if f he was acting the opportunist, he was at least on the right side of the issue. God is not a respecter of persons, and neither should we be. Let's focus on "what" is right and not "who" is right.
Gay stripper? Do you know for a fact that he was gay? I’m genuinely asking..,
Amen Brother!
Do uou know ge's a gay stripper? He's been on talent shows with his act.
The “gay stripper” is actually a Christian, so don’t talk about him if you don’t know anything about him
I find it detestable that men or women like you believe men like Justin then tear down the body of Christ like scourging Jesus (body of Christ) all over again... Bunch of gossipers. You should repent. I applaud Mark for standing up for righteousness. No matter what you do or how you do it, there will be a 1000 critics... No wonder our country is so divided with Christians tearing each other down like this. At least AOC and Nancy Pelosi can agree... If we have the spirit of God and Truth, how much more should we? Disgusting really. I'm ashamed that many of you represent me as a believer in Yeshua... I applaud anyone who stands for righteousness. It was very risky. He could have lost church members over this and friends, but he did what he believed in his heart was right and necessary. I doubt it will affect his book sales and he probably doesn't care about book sales. Woe to you, bunch of hypocrites, Matthew 23...
We should hold more pastors accountable for blasphemy.
Blasphemy?
We should also pray for them
They do pray for them as they warn the flock.
They certainly will be held accountable......
Absolutely
Praise the Lord for men like Mark Driscoll!
He does not entertain the worldly spirit that was being paraded on that stage.
Jealousy is a curse guys and smugness is unbecoming.
I was at the conference and Mark Driscoll did not want to say what God had him say, I saw the fear in him when he started to speak, confronting demons is not easy, even for a believer. I wish Mark would not have come back on stage and apologized, he shouldn’t have , I’m glad I went to the conference, this incident gave me more motivation to live for Christ and confront the demonic than any of the motivational speakers they had there
Thank you for your testimony abt what happened since you were there. We must push back the darkness with truth in Jesus name
Agreed Pastor Driscoll feared more what man thinks than what God had to say 😢.
Don't confront the demonic, RESIST THE DEVIL AND HE WILL FLEE FROM YOU! ⚔️
Amen brother, may our lord Jesus use you to further his kingdom. Regards from Australia.
Mark did well. The crowd reaction proved their spirit agree with the rebuke. Holiness should not be compromised for a large conference
Regardless of what Justin thinks of Mark, it is bizarre for this to happen at a christian men conference.
It is very bizarre! Why start a men's conference with this garbage? There is no video clip here of the actual stripper pole and the guy being seductive in his act. You could see the older men on the front row with looks of "what" on their faces. It was nothing to do with teaching men to be good fathers, husband's and godly men. Mark was correct in his assessment.
You didn't show the clip of the man rip off his shirt and dance half-dressed on a stripper pole! Mark isn't the problem! Why would the issue be Mark and not he pastor that allowed this crap to go on??? God will judge.
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Did you watch the video? It's clear that JP is opposed to both.
Language please.
They obviously showed only the "man"-lier part of the strip dance.
@@Martepiecedude, this is RUclips and crap is not a bad word. It’s subjective and you can’t control what other people do or say.
Wow. The position Peters takes in this video is utterly bizarre. There is a shocking lack of nuance, outright falsehood and spiritual myopia. How sad.
Scripture teaches us that there will be a fallen away in the last days. so don’t let it be a surprise when you see certain ones start falling away.
This is the first time I have been shocked by Justin.
If Driscoll didn't call him out, you would have a video on the depravity at that conference
But they did call out the depravity of the conference. You didn't watch the whole video?
@g.h_-heart-_bunny I watched half an hour of it. I'm not a Driscoll fan but he did nothing wrong. His video would be on the stripper at a Christian conference, not Driscoll.
@@G.H._bunnythey only BARELY called it out. It's like seeing a car crash and focusing upon the fact that the crash left skid marks on the road.
Well, you might not be a Driscoll "fan," but you're certainly his apologist even as you're trolling on this video. He's horrendously in error and needs to repent, step down from any leadership role, and sit under biblical teaching.
Anyone defending him is not only equally in error but lacking true spiritual discernment.
@@arclemons1967 whatever you think about Driscoll, pointing out that he's right about the strip pole show isn't "defending" his entire life or his errors, heresies, etc.
On the other hand, defending the strip pole dancing thing IS disgusting.
Galatians 2:14, as Paul rebuked Peter publicly, so Pastor John Lindell should have been too. If you sin publicly, you need to be rebuked publicly.
Absolutely I can’t believe Justin peters he has just lost my respect…
Did you notice how he described the act at the beginning of this video as a man on stage swallowing a sword… no mention of a stripper and stripper pole… so my question is Justin peters is who is deceiving who… just another pastor that I have lost all respect for
Exactly
@@michaelbrowder5251exactly. I used to listen to Justin. He has become a slanderous smiley man
@@michaelbrowder5251so you didn't hear how brother Peters in both interviews said that he doesn't approve of any of the stuff going on at that conference? They weren't discussing whether or not it was appropriate, as Travis Allen said, what was really inappropriate was attatching the name of Jesus Christ to a circus as if He is just another headlining act. It was a given in both interviews that the entire conference was corrupt, they were focusing on Driscoll's hypocrisy and attention seeking. To be honest, if a man finds another man shirtless on a pole to be sexually gratifying, he probably needs Jesus.
Problem number one- they had a stripper at a Christian men’s conference. Correction needed to be given. All the rest of the rhetoric is a moot point. There is no defense or justification for putting that kind of an act on, I don’t care who else has preached in that pulpit in the past.
exactly!
Short attention span....the point is it was a big stunt. He was in on it.
@@johnnywatson4914🤨📸
Perfect example of Shunning the one in the right and sugar coating the Sin that happened on that stage. Like people mentioned in the comments, what about people that struggle with porn, or have changed their life from a gay life style. That would be like offering Beer at a AA meeting.
I’m surprised by this video. I was cheering when mark driscoll called out the unholy show. These pastors need to be held accountable.
It was a stunt
You forget Justin said Driscoll has been involved with the putting on of this “show” since 2017. He knew who this guy was before he showed up. He has been a narcissist for decades and thrives on pushing the envelope. He’s no better than Todd Bentley the perverted still preaching “pastor.”
Two things can be true at the same time. This act and this conference can be awful AND Mark Driscoll can have wrong motives. All of these people appear to be motivated by self-aggrandizement .
@toolegittoquit_001 it was a stripper pole and you know it!
Stripper with a stripper pole…to open a men’s conference… to be honest with you I don’t care if he did do it as a publicity stunt… I believe Pastor Mark took a stand, which I believe you are taking the wrong stand which I have always respected you, but I can’t believe the way you describe this because that is deceitful… you didn’t say anything about the stripper pole had a man swallowing a sword… evidently nobody else was willing to call it out‼️‼️‼️
If a pastor or Church puts their ok
to such immorality publicly they
should be rebuked publicly!!! If
something like that is done in
private another learns about it.
they should be rebuked
privately !!! I believe
the WORD of GOD, backs that
up !!!
Who else thinks this reaction seems more personal than spiritual. I’m still confused as to why the pastor of the church isn’t condemned
Yep
I unfortunately have to agree. Justin Peters does a great job but this was off on so many levels.
Yes, my first impression is that it is personal and this guy has an ax to grind.
@@moseskimani4525Justin Peter judgement on this is not wholesome.Even Spencer did not go with him. Justin Peter is not the omniscient God who knows the intent and mind of Mark . However such entertainment is way off as you said . The church well received the rebuke form their reaction and receptivity...So so sad the Church is becoming worldly and the world is becoming churchy
Sad you guys gonna attack Justin and defend Driscoll. Who claims to see pornography visions from God. teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/08/pornographic-divination.html?m=1
I don't think these comments are going the way they thought they would.
How is he a liar in this case when we all saw whats happened.What does that act have to do with the house of God.This is nonsense
Oh good grief! Give us one time Gabe Hughes has ever misused or taken a text out of context. Go troll somewhere else. 🤦♂️
@@todddavison7717 what are stripper acts doing in the house of God,you are part of the problem
I'm no apologist for Mark Driscoll, however, I don't blame him for calling out this type of performance. Perhaps Mark Driscoll will learn a lesson from his participation in events like this, and re-examine the direction he has been going in the recent past.
I think it is more the way he did it more than calling it out. Likening that to an Asherah pole and invoking "the Jezebel spirit" is a dramatic performance, doubly so when Mark has been involved in the circus for years and says nothing until now.
@@sneaksyrangeryou don’t believe in demonic influences?
@@beaberean3286 not to charismatics like Driscoll they aren't.
And yes, demonic influence is real. However, we are also capable of sin and foolishness on our own with no influence necessary. We can't blame it all on them and not own up to it ourselves.
So inappropriate! What does a pole dancer have to do with a Christian men's conference? Unbelievable!
If you can't condemn the actual issue here, you are truly clouded. Driscoll was correct even if he has done plenty wrong in the past. Good grief.
Wow! I did not see this coming! What a let-down, dear Justin, that you are not letting the Holy Spirit lead you on this one. Prayers for your body and soul ♡
Pastor calls out some gay crap at a men's conference and other men are attacking him... hmmm
Right! It is more popular to attack Christian leaders smh this is sad
U understand that this was a publicity stunt right? And know time the night before did he confront pastor John or Alex. Alex is a born again Christian with a bad past. He is best in the world when it comes to sword swallowing performance. He is not a current stripper nor was that a stripper pole or stripper performance.
Everyone cheered Mark on, then boo'd the church pastor, but then they flipped during his speech i guess because it's his church. Lots of confused people there.
Flabbergasted by this video’s goal. Best I leave it there…… *see the “call for Mark to repent” clip….. a complete error in use of Matthew 18, by guy who runs James River place.
If you actually watched the video instead of immediately reacting to whatever triggered you, you would know that the whole thing was a publicity stunt. Driscoll is a scammer.
Anything and everything is allowed in churches and conferences these days. I don't know if Driscoll is a liar or not, but I know he told the truth that day and I totally agree with him.
Hello Justin, theres a video on YT of Mark Driscoll apologizing for not talking to the pastor privately. Do you still think that Mark Driscoll had selfish intentions? I think he had good intentions.
Where is that video???????
The American church is being entertained to ( spiritual death) which is the most concerning thing here, there shouldnt have been 5 men to show up for this .......this is why we've lost spiritual efficacy in the world.
that was definitely a stripper act it was gross im glad he called it out
Heck ya it was! I can't believe these 2. They're lying. And I knew it from before! What liars! Man I'm so upset!
It was stupid but was a circus act.
@@Mrguy-ds9lrme too 😡🤦🏽♀️🙇🏽♀️
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
Honestly, that doesn't look at all like a "stripper act". Just because it's different, another "temptation" would be to judge it impulsively as demonic. Which is often lazy, if not fearful / prideful. Don't throw out Common Sense in discernment.
When you get correctly called out by someone like Mark Driscoll you are not in a good place as a pastor…and John has not been a good place for quite a while.
Let's remember too that Mark said I am not calling anyone out , I am address the Jezebel Spirit that opened this conference. So why would he need to to go to Lindell ?
24:00 "did anyone really think this resembled a stripper performance?"
YES. Literally everyone knows that is a stripper pole. That's what they're called.
And if you watch till almost the end he ends up upside down on the pole with his arms outstretched as Christ was upright with His arms outstretched nailed to a cross. Intentional or not from the performer the parallel is disturbing.
And the men's minds were immediately brought to a thought of a stripper with that performance.
Wrong things were being done in the church with a stripper on a pole! Fact!
Mark Driscol called them out for their bad behavior. Fact!
Lindel didn’t like it and tried to defend himself. Fact!
It’s not complicated. Truth hurts!
Anyone who thinks that having that stripper there with a pole in a church is OK seriously needs to hit their prayer closet and spend some time with Christ. This behavior out of Lindel by defending having a stripper in a church is completely unacceptable! I don’t know what book you’re reading, but the one that I read tells me that strippers in church I s not of Christ! That’s the kind of crap that He died on the cross for! 🤦🏻♀️
I find you, Justin Peters, as part of the problem with the church today. Mark Driscoll had the courage to stand up and call sexual immorality out. The Jezebel spirit is blatantly in the church.... If you can't see what the problem was with the opening 'act' then God help you
Right!!
Justin said he doesn't know what a jezebel spirit is .
There is no jezebel spirit. No ahab spirit, no Delilah spirit, etc.that I know of. But if you find that in Gods Word, please post it here..
Looks like the Driscoll cult it out in full swing. Defending the guy that receives pornographic visions. teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/08/pornographic-divination.html?m=1
Leave it to Mark to blame the abject failing of this “men’s conference” on a woman. IE Jezabel. And I agree with Justin on this. The “Jezabel spirit isn’t a thing and just demonizes women even further.
When a narcissist gets called out, theyll always make your calling out of them a bad thing
So focused on discrediting a man but refusing to call out the absolutley appalling act that went on in the Church! Such a shame. Stronger man is one who lays down his life for others and is sacrificial. Not strippers and tanks and macho. Using these to win souls is false conversion.
They called out the church and it’s heretical theology, too. All of it is not God honoring: Mark and JRC
@@lesothobound in a very weak way then the questionable guest started defending the acts and Justin Peters allowed him to lie and misuse scriptures. Oh they had other events that were shirtless. Boxing enters shirtless. Stripper enter with shirt and rips it off. Difference! Oh its macho and 99% can't be gay etc. As a man and in my opinion that has all the indications of homosexuality. We men don't try so hard to prove our masculinity. They love Matthew 18 and yet they are here in public domain discrediting and attacking Mark. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Three things can be true. 1.) Driscoll was in the moment right to call out whatever was going on... A broken clock is right twice a day.
2.) Driscoll is a grifter, as seen by his fall from Mars Hill
3.) This "mens conference" didn't have anything to do with Biblical masculinity.
Pastor Mark Driscoll is not tolerated in APOSTATE churches, for obvious reasons. He is courageous in speaking the Word of God and confronting wickedness. Truth is the new hate speech in today's lukewarm and apostate churches.
The problem here is too much theatrics in the church - pastors lying, others bringing in performers --like teach the word!
During the discussion about the Ahab and Jezabel spirit they got the definition wrong of what traits belong to each spirit (did they listen to Mark's sermon on the subject)? The Ahad spirit is passive while the Jezabel spirit is controlling... It's interesting that the women who have seen the video have said this was very much a strip show like performance, dudes just don't get it sometimes. Bottom line it was a very poor choice to have at a men's biblical conference, regardless of the Mark Driscoll controversery.
You are absolutely correct, they got it wrong and I believe that was intentional. The Ahab and Jezebel spirits can affect both men and women. Seemly both of these men have no idea what Ephesians 6:12 teaches us. In my view, they are both lying gossips.
We should be thankful for Mark Driscoll having the courage to speak so many Pastors want.
This whole debacle is embarrassing to the church. The fact that it's happening, the video exposing or explaining it, all of it is ridiculous. We should all be ashamed.
Again, so consumed with finding heretics that you miss the “camel” on the pole……
Well said!
Thank you Mark Driscoll for exposing the spirits that are in this community including Springfield Branson and the surrounding areas
The truth is the Jezebel Sprit doesn’t even exist mark Driscoll is lying to you
Why do I sense a more judgemental perspective in this video, then just "exposing" Mark's sins? Why do I feel that you guys should have addressed more on how inappropriate it was that guys show in a church.
Your senses are right.
He seems more interested in dunking on someone for internet points that admitting how inappropriate the performance was. This whole video feels gross. It's like watching cable news.
and lying about mark getting "yanked" from the stage
@otallono I think you're missing the point of the name of this video. And that is that Mark got removed (albeit with words) but still got removed from the pulpit. And Mark Driscoll has been proven to be a liar, a cheat and an abuser of women.
@@danielmalo4097has he though? 🤔
He should just got up and said said, "If Jesus was on the front row, what would He have thought about that man ripping off his shirt and climbing a stripper pole."
I really feel like you guys are counting the pennies and missing the dollars here. There should NOT have been a ridiculous performer like that to open the conference. The giggling and the picking apart of Mark's phrasing seems beneath you. Maybe this men's conference is in fact a carnival. I would never go to this if that's the case. Seems utterly absurd.
Praise God and thank you Jesus for changing me and saving me. Thank you that I'm not the same as I was in 2013 or even yesterday. We should change .
Absolute insanity how that was even possibly at a Christian conference to begin with, like what on earth!???
Driscoll is totally correct here ... calling out this insanity.. im sorry Justin but this time you do not see truth here
Does not see truth???....Well he's calvinist. Not surprising....🤣
@lespaul382 why do you even listen to Justin if you think he doesn't know truth? Honestly don't understand people like yourself...unless you're a mole and follow just to revile him.
@@Locomedic1 Well his channel popped up on my feed. So I'd thought I would speak ACTUAL TRUTH. Seems to be A LOT of self decieved people on here.
What about the guy having a guy dancing on a stripper pole who used to be a stripper a male stripper swallowing swords with no shirt on in a church service? The guy used to be a male stripper and he's shirtless in a church service
That’s the guy that Pastor Mark called out & they are talking about.
It was wrong..but it wasn't a church service. It is a conference.
Same thing if they are teaching Bible and discipleship.
I never could quite decide what I thought about this channel and Justin Peters views on others. Thank you, I know exactly what I think now.
You’re making this about Mark Driscoll. You’re wrong. You speak on misinformation.
Mark Driscoll was rebuking the opening act because they had a man rip his shirt off as he did things to a pole (much like a stripper pole) and started to swallow swords.
As Mark Driscoll was told to leave the stage, they booed the pastor of the church who told Mark to stop. Then the audience booed the pastor.
I understanding having an axe to grind because you dislike Mark Driscoll, but you’re spreading misinformation.
Exactly
How can you NOT say that this event was wrong? I am glad Mark Driscoll called this out I'm so surprised that the people on this channel think it's okay. It's so Unholy.
He did say it is wrong. Called it a circus.
Mark Driscoll went to an event that has always been a circus.
@@Hannelore7 How is he calling it out by trying to dicredit the Pastor and Stir in a lil extra sh t?
The time has come when men like the owner of this channel will not be respected but the blinders will suddenly come off. We are called to repentance.If you cannot sow peace then SHUT UP!
@@Hannelore7so why is he attacking Driscoll in this video? I get that Driscoll is problematic but I am struggling to see what he did wrong here, other than not following protocol in speaking to the pastor in private first
@@hedylamarr1688 Time stamp 30:31.
What a bizarre comment on Driscoll. I think the so called "stronger man" is really a circus, Christian light nonsense. Justin you should have concentrated on that abortion of a show rather than attack Driscoll who as you say may be an opportunist, but that conference should be the issue here.
Driscoll has a bad history and is still conning people. That's important.
@@G.H._bunny... You are weak spiritually if you agree with the hiring of a male stripper to open a men's conference. No matter what you think of Mark Driscoll (I don't even know who that is), you have to speak against sin in the camp.
Revelation's letters to the 7 churches in Asia by the First and the Last, should be reason enough to know the importance of cleaning up the Lord's house.
Have we forgotten when Jesus overturned the money changer's tables in anger about activities in the Lord's house?
@@G.H._bunny no one is defending him but taking a stand for those appaling abominations that occur in the church. You guys have no idea of who Christ is? Then why are you so much like the world?
@@G.H._bunny🤫hush
Is Justin not also monetizing this video be seen as a opportunity?
RUclips influencer are all the same.
The lukest of the warm.
There was a stage.
A stripper pole.
Elevated Stage
Red Lighting.
A man with Black glittery clothing.
The man ripped his shirt off.
Then...
The man slowly licked the whole sword before swallowing it.
Then he ascended.
Then quickly slid down and held his arms out as in the Appearance of an upside down depiction of christ on an upside down cross as he had the swird in his mouth! WTH!?
I get the sense that the dislike for Mark is greater than the dislike for this bizarre exhibition.
Yes exactly if that doesnt speak volumes
You probably get that impression because the video stays focused on Driscoll instead of going on a tangent.
One could counter, I get the sense that your dislike over an inappropriate exhibition outweighs your concern over outright dishonesty.
Yes, that’s exactly what they’re doing
@ricksonora6656 I get that because mark was right. And it took great guts to stand up and do that. It was disgraceful what they did, and even more for what's his face to try an belittle it. Lost all credibility if he ever had it with me, anyway.
True!
You dont have to be qualified to stand at the pulpit to call something for what it is. Personally I think any church who performs these acts are not giving glory to God. They are making a mockery of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Another sign of the end times we live in.
Thank you!
Looks like a Super Bowl half time show. Disgusting.
Not yanked off stage. Not exposed as a liar. Because the headlines of this were actual lies, I decided NOT to watch anything else.
All I hear is two self righteous guys defending a male stripper while bashing Mark. Mark called a spade a spade and I agree with him.
So you didn’t watch the video.
These two men have alot of the sin of the flesh in them. They seem to have hatred towards oher successsful men.
Amen. Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! ( Isaiah 5:20)
Exactly
Yep
Jesus would have likely turned over the sound control tables and brought that “conference” to a screeching halt if He were there. Good on Driscoll for calling them out!
This is exactly the kind of chaos that I would expect from James River and Lindell. Just goes to show you that Lindell has zero discernment and that lack of discernment bit him hard this time. Stay away from this "church" and these "pastors".
Jesus said be of good cheer... for I have overcome the world.
I don't agree with everything that Mark Driscoll says, but he had a right to rebuke the men at the Stronger Men's Conference. The level of depravity at this event is sickening and the fact that Justin Peters condones it is very discouraging. Sadly he's blind and deaf to spiritual truth that's directly in front of him.
This never should have been allowed in a Church conference.. Period.
I can't believe there wasn't a line at the back door, of Men of God trying to get out of there once a man ripped his shirt off and jumped on a pole.
Had it been a secular event, like say, a football game, I imagine there would have been some fellas heading for the door when that guy started pole dancing…. How very sad the men in that church were either not offended or were not brave enough to leave during that performance.
totally agree....
That ‘Christian’ conference was anything but manly.
Here’s what SHOULD and SHOULD NOT have happened:
1) The “performer“ should’ve been vetted and vetted carefully.
2) The “performance “should’ve been stopped immediately, mid-act, and John Lindell should have publicly apologized.
3) Mark Driscoll should’ve gone to John Lindell in private first, before calling out the “performance” as evil and disgusting (which it was).
4) Mark should have told him, “Are you going to condemn the ‘performance’ and apologize before I get up to speak?”
5) Mark should have refused to speak until the “performance” was condemned and a public apology given.
6) John should not have acted hypocritically by publicly calling out Mark for publicly calling out the “performance”.
7) People in charge of the “performance” selection and approval should resign.
Mark should not have gone to Lindell first as it was a public matter not a personal one.
I agree except, we don't know that Pastor Mark didn't first follow the Matthew model by going to the pastor first asking him to remove the performer. We don't know if he them went with a second person. Then it would be appropriate to call it out publicly. I agree completely with what you said in it's entirety except add the Matthew model for disagreement in the church.
Actually the Bible instructs us to go to the individual first, then take a witness, then publicly rebuke. We are not privy to these interactions that may or may not have taken place.
Man, TV/RUclips opens a lot bigger can of worms doesn't it. Add far as I've seen, Mark has publicly apologized and made amends even tho he stood by his stance on the pole dancer. Can you imagine being the pole dancer in all this? The world is so upside down. Help us Jesus!!!
I didn't realize i was making a double entendre with the upside down comment after the pole dancer comment. Lol. My faux pas.
Have you considered that if Mark first approached John, and John refused to apologize or allow Mark to get up and speak, then the act would not have publicly been condemned at all?
1) the sword dude ripped off his 👕 shirt during the performance. He didn't simply take it off.
2) You didn't do your homework. The pole dancer did his act the day before! 24 hours earlier. Driscoll was hoarse (because he says on stage) that he was crying out before God what to say.
(Not 30 min before, like you state.)
3) I've never seen a stripper pole, but in my ignorance, and only seeing the act on video, I can say it didn't sit right. It raised a red flag as a child of God. I felt it was a stripper stunt!
Sounds like a total circus all around, but Driscoll called out something that needed to get called out.
You two are saying the stupidest thing in this whole conversation. Are you two seeing the same thing everybody else is seeing.
Agreed this is not what our men’s conference is like. If you need to strip to entertain your missing Gods mark
Pastor Mark called it out. Truth is its he standing unapologetically for the things of God. We need more men that will do the same
Stop calling him, Pastor Mark because he’s not a pastor
He is a fraud.
Is that why Driscoll backed down and apologized in front of all of them?
@@MrRF007 nope won't. 💪🏽
@@pastortodd1964 nope not.💪🏽
Luke warm Christian’s would be offended with this. I agree with Mark
Maybe you are lukewarm?
Charismatic insanity
🙏👏👏👏👏 yes I completely agree with him !!!
@barbaramacdonald3128 you prove why woman should not be leaders in the church.
Coming from a woman. I think the whole thing was a "drama" show. There whole mannerism and their behavior was "drama". How distasteful. Was it a setup?