Can a Christian Attend a Homosexual/Trans Wedding?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Alistair Begg has been a faithful Gospel preacher for many years but recently caused a great deal of confusion when he said that a Christian can attend a homosexual/trans wedding and even give a gift to the couple. We will discuss this and see whether or not the Bible affords the Christian this option.
Time Stamps:
00:00 - 03:26 Introduction
03:26 - 06:20 Alistair's view on homosexuality and being ready to pay the price
06:20 - 15:38 Alistair's advice to attend a homosexual wedding and biblical evaluation of the same
15:38 - 18:15 Can I attend to be a witness?
18:15 - 19:17 The witness to others
19:17 - 20:59 - What does this say to God?
20:59 - 21:46 Gift giving and executions
21:46 - 25:32 Did I contact Alistair before making this video?
25:32 - 26:25 Do I still recommend Alistair?
26:25 - 29:50 What about other wedding scenarios?
29:50 - 33:15 Conclusion
Link to AFR's article detailing their overture to Alistair:
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As someone who has been saved out of that lifestyle, I totally agree with Justin.
Love them enough to speak truth & light into their darkness.
Praise God!!
What about the wedding of a non-Christian who has previously been divorced? (For reasons other than sexual sin)
But what action are you taking to share it with them? Easy to condemn. Jesus was condemn mixing with the outcast by the leaders of His time. What makes the conservative any different like them?? I brought this up with a conservative pastor and so far SILENCE.
DO YOU KNOW WHY ALISTARR IS DOING IT????????
I like your question. What about all marriages of people that the bible sees as adultery. What about them. @@lovegod8582
Then Justin, you are not allowed to attend any marriage of any couple who are not both saved. Sexual sin is sexual sin no matter what and all unsaved people are unequally yoked. God originally did set marriage between 1 man and 1 woman, but after the fall of mankind sin and illness entered into the world. Not all humans are man or woman. Now we have chimeras and hermaphrodite. Twins stuffed into one body... both a male and female. I have a child who has both male and female parts. The brain which is the consciousness God gave my child is female. Reproductive parts are male and female. If my child wanted to be married, does my child marry a man or woman? BTW, my child is a sinner saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. Do I attend the wedding or not. My child was formed both male and female in the womb.
My son is living as a woman. He had his name changed legally and is about to start transitioning. We have lovingly made it clear that we do not and cannot, according to God’s word, support him in any way. We will not call him by his chosen name or pronouns. Therefore, he has chosen to separate himself from us. He expects us to compromise but there is no compromising for our beliefs on his part. It is what it is. It breaks our heart but we will stand firm on the word of God and keep praying for him diligently.
Please consider sharing with your son that while he chooses to live as a woman, he can NEVER be one. As a trans, the hormones and surgical modifications are going to destroy his innate male characteristics, and many of their biological functions (not just sexually) can be permanently deformed. At the same time, he will never have all the female parts that the hormones he will receive are designed for life-long functions. He is, quite literally, opening his body to Pamdoras Box.
I pray that he can listen and heed the warnings from the growing body of DE-transitiiners. The bottom line is that he will NEVER be a woman. I hope he can discover truths about who he really is, and know that God has plans for him as a man.
Please accept him.
You are great parents doing what is good, right and true in the eyes of God. We can’t celebrate or support evil. Good job!❤
@@Quint-ib4nfWe don’t accept what is evil. 👿 We are not to please man; we are to please God.
I don't mean any disrespect, we all have to decide and we all are pretty smart and love God. My question is: why are there some things that is sinful and we tolerate, but other sins we want no part of. When your son was younger and took candy from a friend or hit someone, you din't distance youselves from him. We teach them and show love. If he wanted to be called a donkey, you would have, for a time. Can we show support and love in hopes that they eventually learn the truth. It took me 3 marriages and 40 years and a whole lot of sin before I found Jesus. Are we to lose patients with our children?
One more thing. If these family members love you so much and know how you feel and what you believe, why would they ask you to participate in something that they know that you are against? Love goes both ways.
You are absolutely correct. It's all about their feelings though and never our convictions. This is actually the problem. We have appeased the LGBTQABCDEFG community for far too long. We are the majority, not them. We should have stood on our principles.
Great point
That’s an excellent point.
I agree. It seems that Christians are always the ones who are expected to tolerate or accept the immoral lives of families, friends, and any others we come in contact with. Luke 11:23 says "He that is not with me is against me. And he that gathereth not with me scattereth" Jesus made it very clear No tolerance of sin, No acceptance of sin, and No cotteling of the sinner no matter who they are.
@@davidraburn3960 Absolutely
As a young man my dad divorced my mom. He was going to marry the woman he had an affair with. He asked me to come and be his best man. I politely told him no, because he had no grounds to divorce my mom and then remarry. I love my dad very much, but did not and do not agree with it.
You did the right thing. God Bless You.
bit different to 2 people in love not married before
@@timothythompson4036 but its not the same thing
As always, this was so well done. I tried to say very similar things on my channel when I did my video on this and people still did t seem to understand. Thanks for standing by the truth.
As some have already pointed out in this comment section, this video is more about "single issue" political activism and making a political statement about conservative Christian views on LGBTQIA+ matters, than theology.
There are many different ways to sin. For example, there is the sin of adultery. Why shouldn't there be a similar ban on weddings in which one or both of the "Christian" partners who are getting married is/are serial adulterers? My guess is that we will never see such a ban put forth by the leadership of the politically Right-Wing Conservative Christian community, that has come to be the only "faction" of the splintered and weakened Christian community that has taken on the responsibility of defending Christian beliefs and values, after the project was seemingly abandoned by the Christian "Left" for very puzzling and perplexing reasons.
That is why I refuse to join either one of your overly simplistic "carved out" political "factions", which seem to be the only two groups that exist in the news media. I have both "conservative" (if that is how one might wish to label them) Christian concerns, and "liberal" (or perhaps even "Left-Wing") concerns, that are continuously in (internal) dialogue and assessment with one another, because political matters are far more complex than we are being indoctrinated to believe they are.
With that said however, I believe you Right-Wing Conservative Christians have the freedom to arbitrarily pick and choose from a long list of sins, any one or two you want, to serve as a focus for protests and activism. But in so doing, don't be surprised by counter-protests and counter-activism by groups opposed to yours that are concerned about becoming marginalized when your group acquires the political power that it seeks.
JPB
I watched your video on it and you did a great job. The lost do not have the discernment of the Holy Spirit and thereby will not understand but as you pointed out love without truth of God is not helpful and can be harmful. I enjoyed your analogy of supporting and loving a friend in a sexual relationship with a married person…
You gave a great and loving explanation. God's word is Truth! The best way to love and witness to the grandchild is sharing the gospel truth. Praying for pastor's to stand on God's word.
badly done
"Can a Christian Attend a Homosexual/Trans Wedding?"
No. The End.
Plain simple and to the point.
I struggle to see how your short one word answer, with an epilogue is helpful to those of us trying to understand, thankfully we have the video here to watch.
A Christian would but not an elect vessel!
Exactly! Absolutely Not!!! Even if it's a family member, that has lost their way. It's still an "Absolute" No!!!!......God's. "Holy Word" says homosexuality it's an "Abomination" to God and period and none of God's true saints/Christians we are not to partake (or) support it in any kind of way (or) anything that goes against God through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen. 🙏
What if it were your son or daughter? I wouldn’t want to attend, but I also wouldn’t want to create hatred and division within that family relationship. No matter what you choose it’s still a lousy situation. If you attend you disobey the Lord God. If you don’t attend you drive your beloved child further from you, and further from the truth of the Gospel. It’s a terrible situation, and many of us will eventually find ourselves in this situation as the whole LGBT stuff grows in popularity and more and more children claim that they are LGBT, even though they’re not, because it’s now the ‘cool and trendy thing’ that gets children the sort of attention and applause that they want from their classmates and Alt-Left atheist teachers.
I think that Mr. Begg was trying to say that by not going to her grandson’s sinful fake wedding she would drive him further down the path to the Lake of Fire and from the Lamb’s Book of Life. I think that was his point, but it wasn’t really expounded upon and is still wrong no matter what.
I absolutely believe that God the Holy Spirit will work on Mr. Begg and bring him to repent upon this issue and that he will be brought back into right fellowship with Him soon.
Jesus is clear about loving Him more than even our family.
I saw rosaria butterworth said, choose who you offend, family or God
Funny I always thought Jesus taught to love our fellow man. Did he not always surround himself with prostitute and other sinner, showing them kindness and empathy and not judging them. He didnt seen offended or would discourage contact with sinners. I guess people see what they want to see in scripture.
@@teranelson826please judge for yourself between what Justin Peters says and the word of God. Watch the video and listen with desire to understand and seeking wisdom in Christ.
51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three.
53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." (Luke 12:51, ESV)
Yes, have gay friends, go to coffee or a birthday party. Don't go to the wedding which is sacred. But yes and yes hang out with them and be loving. Attending the wedding is where the line is drawn as that is a sacred event
It's so painful. A dear friend, now with the Lord, was cut off by her whole family cause of this. She said just this. It was so painful but her conviction was strong.
I'm 41 and really just learning what NO COMPROMISE truly means. Even if costs me my life, I will stand for what I believe is to be true.
@@toby-aprilseegren3872 we must never compromise with sin and thats what bigotry is
Attend? As a wedding photographer in California, I had two pastors tell me that there was no reason for me not to shoot a homosexual ceremony (I won't call it a wedding because it isn't one). I did it once, and it was so awkward and wrong that I quit wedding photography entirely. I was also being tracked, and I think I would get sued. I moved out of California.
That's the thing isn't it.
It's unnatural, and no matter how many platitudes, and approval It's given, it's unnatural and awkward. That's why they desperately need everyone's approval to soothe their
conscience.
Yes wedding photography these days could leave you open tobe sued, sadly.
That’s sad, some lgbt do respect peoples opinions and religions and wouldn’t sue, I do feel bad for many of them and pray for them.
A hilarious tale of nonsensical over reaction. Only government, not the religious, may define a wedding.
@@judithmargret5972 My wife and I married some 13 years ago. It’s a wonderfully successful union, entirely within the laws of our nation. There’s nothing remotely awkward or unnatural about it. It has the full approval of our government, our friends and families. We neither seek nor care for the approval of religious bigots. Throughout the civilised world we never receive negative comment. That only comes from the seriously dysfunctional US. Our young daughters have a very high quality of life. Our laws make it a crime for them to be taught religion in our schools.
@anushkasekkingstad1300 Here we go, the name calling, because my faith doesn't allow me to agree with your lifestyle.
I would seriously look at why you need to name call anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Once upon a time people could disagree vehemently, now people like you demand everyone line up with your lifestyle. I don't think you realise people can disagree with your lifestyle, and still love or sincerely care for that person. The reason you can't is because you judge everyone by how you think.
BTW I'm not American.
It's truly humbling when a well respected pastor stumbles... It can happen to anyone! Let's pray, and have faith that the LORD will use this for His good.
I believe most of these pastors are compromised, Freemaons, Zionists or they would not be on the air. The Bible is the only thing you can trust these days. No Christian authors, no Christian music. It's all corrupt.
Hi, Connie! Actually, we pray that good will result for our good and for the glory of God. 😊🤗👍💕 Have a blessed weekend!
Let’s pray that there will be public repentance of this erroneous counsel.
@joshockey7447 that is what I'm hoping for a true repentance for what he said. I can only imagine how confused his flock is. I will continue to pray for him.
We need to pray for those who stumble.
I attended a family members homosexual wedding ceremony in an attempt to avoid family drama. I was honest that I didn’t agree with it when asked but I made sure not to raise a fuss and was respectful as a guest. I was still called a bigot when I refused to be a member of the wedding party and participate in the “religious” part of the ceremony. They don’t want tolerance. They want your endorsement. You can’t appease them.
Your first mistake was even attending at all.
Ya I’m pretty Libertarian in my views and have a natural live and let live inclination. It wasn’t until I got a more up close and personal look that it really hit me that they don’t feel the same way. We all let it slide and within a decade they’re openly going after our children. It very quickly went from “Just pretend this is actually a marriage to “I’d like to discuss the details of fisting and polygamy with your 6 year old” didn’t it. Don’t give an inch. Go to school board meetings.
I listened to the interview months ago and would testify that what you did, is what he was talking about, but didn't give enough clarification.
Exactly right.
So sad you volunteered to appease your family and not obey the Lord.
Jesus speaks very clearly in Matthew 10:37-39 New International Version (NIV)
“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Wonderfully said and done Justin!!!
Much love and God bless!!
but homophobia is a sin
Praise God for your faithfulness Pastor Peters! Praying our Lord will continue to provide you strength and wisdom to keep fighting.
there is no wisdom in homophobic lifestyles
Becket Cook has an excellent response to this question based on his own experience both as a repentant former homosexual and as someone who went to a gay wedding when he first converted he says it was a HUGE mistake. Everybody there knew he a Christian and understood his presence as an endorsement and confirmation of the homosexual ‘marriage.’
Yes exactly
Really are you so narrow minded,maybe they saw that there were some Christian’s out there that did not judge or are you so fixated on the sexual side that you see nothing else.who carry’s the sin now?
Im so glad to read this. I watch Beckett Cook often. I wondered how he would feel about this. Thank you.
@@tracyphipps9566 hi. Yes, he made a very good video specifically addressing this idea that I saw a few months. I think he also covered it in another video with Rosario Butterfield and I forget the 3rd man’s name (he’d also left that culture/lifestyle).
@@tracygeddes5867 just who is fixated on sex here? Are you demanding every wedding be attended? Should sin in general be overlooked because otherwise one is narrow minded?
But here we know that it’s not unclear at all. It is a fraudulent ‘marriage’ in direct violation of God’s specifications of what marriage is as repeated by Jesus in the NT. Add that homosexuality is not just some common sin because it is a sin Against nature itself, as Voddie Bachman points out. You can lie to yourself and others about it but it’s anti-Christian to make the claims you do
I appreciate your honesty Mr Peters. I recently declined attending the wedding of my female cousin, who was marrying another woman. I just could not attend. There is no way I could sit and witness, let alone celebrate that “marriage”, despite angry family and relatives. So thank you for standing strong on the word of God. We are ambassadors to Him!
Good for you standing by God's Truth, even though it was family. Besides, they weren't getting "married" - marriage is between a man and a woman only. God bless 🇦🇺
@@user-gj5sl4rb4i I would not have attended it either, and still would be in good standing with God.
Good job. Being a Christian and the pursuit of holiness comes with a price. We may lose our earthly family, but God gives us a Heavenly family, but it would be eternally better if our earthly family became a part of our Heavenly family as well!
It is difficult to love others in spite of sin, modern churchianity doesn’t know what to do with a lot of people today
I fear Chrislam is taking over the world a lot faster than the antichrist could have planned
Only a "Christian in name only would do such a thing. They no nothing of the Bible. Christ said "Not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" Matthew 7:21
Thank you, Justin. I'm just so sad to hear about dear Alistair Begg's error (and now, as I've heard, his double-down) in giving that advice. Thank you for this very clear explanation, as usual.❤ I pray he will make a correction in his thoughts and statement.
Thank you for your courage Justin….. this needs to be discussed and absolutely clarified.
This young man was kicked out of his home at 15, he was a great kid, I'd known him for 10yrs. I waited for him to talk to me, to know what was going on with him. That took 3yrs. He knew the rules of my home and he didn't break those. When he turned 18, he told me he was gay, and wanted my opinion. I told him I loved him, but he was raised in church, and God says it's wrong. He came to me 12yrs later, thanked me for everything, but he was dying. He said by putting it simply, God said it's wrong, helped him. The next thing he ask was for me to walk him down the aisle to marry his husband. He said your the only Mom I've ever known. I told him I loved him too but I couldn't give him away in marriage. He didn't get married, but he called me two weeks before he died, I asked him if he was right with God
He said yes. The next call was to let me know he died. It broke my heart, but I couldn't do it knowing, if he's not saved, then I'm helping to send him to hell. I hope this might help somebody. God bless.
You're very brave. I don't want to "love" somebody to Hell either.
People deserve honesty and to be fair to Alistair Begg he clearly said that he went through the principle of showing her condemnation of the lifestyle and she said she had been clear. You were brave enough to do it and that's because, push come to shove, lots who disapprove duck the 1-1 needed to actually help the other person and your honesty gave him a respect of you and a solid reason to trust you and what you say. He could ask for more and I wish there were more like you in churches
I would not wish to loose my children's or grandchildren's relationship but I fear God more than I fear their loss.
@@jeannec1308 There is a difference between you pushing someone away, and being pushed out of their lives by them. In 1 Corinthians 5 there is a so-called brother, who commits a grave sin, namely living with his father's wife. The apostle Paul condemns it with no small words and also forbids people to associate with such a 'Christian', yes, not even eat with him. To share a meal with others was and is still essential in many cultures around the world. When you saw a stranger, you invited him in for dinner. Abraham did so, Lot did so. It was considered very rude NOT to do so. Which means, that when Paul forbade them to even eat with such a 'Christian' you are making an extremely loud statement of disapproval. The text goes on:
"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people; I did not at all mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the greedy and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to leave the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is a sexually immoral person, or a greedy person, or an idolater, or is verbally abusive, or habitually drunk, or a swindler-not even to eat with such a person. For what business of mine is it to judge outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the evil person from among yourselves."
This sheds a totally new light on our responsibility both towards those IN the church and towards those who are NOT IN the church.
In Luke 5: 27-32 we see Jesus' approach to grave sinners: "After that He went out and looked at a tax collector named Levi sitting in the tax office, and He said to him, “Follow Me.” And he left everything behind, and got up and began following Him. And Levi gave a big reception for Him in his house; and there was a large crowd of tax collectors and other people who were reclining at the table with them. The Pharisees and their scribes began grumbling to His disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with the tax collectors and sinners?” And Jesus answered and said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.”
Here's another time Jesus went in against the letter of the Law, to fulfil it with grace and truth. John 8: 1-11 "But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. And early in the morning He came again into the temple area, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began teaching them. Now the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in the act of adultery, and after placing her in the center of the courtyard, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the very act of committing adultery. Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” Now they were saying this to test Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. When they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Now when they heard this, they began leaving, one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman where she was, in the center of the courtyard. And straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on do not sin any longer.”
In the most holy prayer, that of Jesus, just before He was crucified, He prayed to the Father: "Just as You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world." John 17: 18
Concluding all this, I would say, that the advice Alastair gave in this situation, did not go in against the Bible. The young man knew, what his grandmother's stance was in the situation: that he was sinning. He was not IN the church for the church to judge. And Jesus Himself sat down and ate with the tax collectors (considered the utmost traitors) and other sinners. And as Jesus did not condemn the adulterous woman, nor are we to do so. As He came to seek the lost and save them, so we are to seek the lost and save them. But He did make sure to tell them and her the truth, that it was sin, which they and she did. But offering a hand of grace as well.
Now, when the grandson would want a church wedding, then that part for sure must be skipped. For it is true mockery and open rebellion. And I also advice people not to go to the official part with a worldly ceremony. But I think it is allowed to go afterward to the dinner.
On receiving the invitation, one ought to disclose kindly to the loved one, that is about to openly sin, even when they at that time might not truly understand it, that you believe they are committing a sin. I wrote 'kindly' because of this Bible verse: " Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and restraint and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" Romans 2: 4.
If they hate you for it anyway and un-invite you, so be it. But if they value your presence, they must be willing to meet you halfway, that is After the ceremony. Which means you will possibly not be in the official photographs either, as a silent witness for the truth. They might want to mock you, but you showed your love. And you gave them a very prudent gift, like an intriguing book with a powerful Christian testimony, where someone was delivered out of a totally Different kind of bondage to sin. 'Different', for after all, you seek not to offend, and have them throw the book out unread, but you want to win them over.
Thank you for sharing, I know that must have been difficult for you but you did the right thing
Thank you, Dear Justin for your boldness in speaking this message and for standing on God's truth. In this day and time, there is so much compromise, but to see a well-known pastor who, I felt was strong in the Lord's word, to see him compromise is such a disappointment and we should all pray for his repentence.
homophobics don't like Gods word
Well explained Justin, thank you so much and keep up the good works.
The elders in my own conservative church recently compromised on gay weddings in the exact same way as Begg did. We talked to them right away and shared Scripture. They would not repent immediately (they had no Scripture). Five of us men in tbe church sent them an email lovingly appealing for them to repent . They agreed to study and get back with us. They are, but its been over six months with no answer yet. We are waiting in limbo.
Brother, the night that they publicly advised the church that it's ok to attend gay weddings it literally felt like a gut-punch. I went home and literally could not sleep. I went down into the library at 3 am and literally wept and tried to pray for 45 minutes straight. I'm still grieving.
Six months without an answer makes me think they are probably not coming back with one and hoping with time it is swept under the carpet. Might need to revisit it with a timeline for a response and if no response, I think I’d be looking for another church.
It is time to fire this person.
@@debm3716 Yeah, the five families in tbe church that are addressing this may find ourselves having to leave. My timeliness is at a year. I am trying to learn to be patient, especially since I would have to leave my small group as well. These people are the godliest and most loving people I have known in decades. We are so close. If they don't agree to leave it will be another wave of grief. We need prayer!
That "church" is Apostate, so advise that you Leave. I have seen what happens when a church Apostatizes, and it is Horrid, so, please, Leave before it utterly self Destructs and starts letting women preach and starts allowing Abomination into the Clergy and all other forms of utter Defiance against God.
sadly it is evidence at this point that they should be voted out if it is possible, confronted publically to address the issue and be straight forward with the truth and if not it is time to find another church as it is only a paper thin conservative church.
WE NEED TO PRAY FOR PASTOR ALISTAIR BEGG!
I do pray for him too. I really appreciate his tough preaching.
I pray for homophobics
So glad you took a strong stance Justin. It broke my heart to hear Begg say this
I don't think I have been this heartbroken in my life 😭I love Pastor Begg and his teaching style. I listen to his sermons almost every other night. I will still listen to his sermons, but I cannot share his view on this subject. I will be praying for Pastor Begg.
But one thing that they failed to mention is that the grandmother explained that she did not agree with the lifestyle, and that she believed in Jesus, and so could not affirm it, for it was not biblical. That is my paraphrase, of course. And his response even shocked her, I believe it freed her to love her enemies not her grandchild but the lifestyle. Jesus did it with sinners in publicans, and he loves us and has forgiven us much.
@@beverlybensusen3279AB was wrong in encouraging her attendance.
You seem to forget what Christ would tell the sinners. Christ didn’t tolerate sin , and nor went after people who rejected his truth. Do you remember the young ruler? He rejected Christ.
John McArthur Says It's Not a Sin To Make Wedding Cakes For Gay Weddings
Would you attend the wedding of your son or daughter, if he was not a professing Christian? Would you be agreeing with his stance by attending?
@@baby.lemonade5864False teaching. Beware
I absolutely agree, Justin. The Word of God is not just the final and ultimate authority, but it is the only authority on moral and spiritual issues.
Well a trans one is ok if a trans woman post op married a guy
Matthew 19:12-13 "There are eunuchs who were born that way; there are eunuchs who were castrated by men, and there are eunuchs have castrated themselves for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Anyone who is able to accept this, should accept accept it."
@@ChristianCatboy Explain to me what these verses have to do with homosexuality/Transgenderism or homosexual marriage????
I believe that you are trying to pervert the scriptures. That passage has absolutely nothing to do with gender
non-conformity. You'd better be careful how you handle the word of God. Even eunuchs are still male as far as their gender goes. That was even understood in ancient times.
and bigotry is not moral.
Love is not blowing kisses to passerbys who are about to plunge off a demolished bridge that you know is demolished. Love is warning them, telling them, pleading with them to STOP!!!!
yes never bow down to homophobia
I'm so glad I watched this video. I respected Allister Begg and listened to his broadcast regularly. It's a shame that he refused to recant after being presented the error of his ways. It's absolutely NOT a marriage, it's a worldly gathering and I'm thankful to you for your videos
Thanks for your biblical insights. I have been blessed by your ministry for many years. I also got an unexpected confirmation to a descission that my wife and I recently had to make. We were faced with deciding whether to attend a wedding of a believing young lady and an unbelieving young man. We decided after councel from our pastor not attend and now you confirmed that we made the correct descision. I value your opinion and thank God for your ministry. Blessings.
no sin in love and comittment
My daughter said she was dating a catholic. I told her the truth from the Bible, but she laughed and said she wasn’t marrying him. She is in her 30’s. I did come to love her then boyfriend and she stopped me from sharing scripture with him. I stayed quiet for a year. Because of my silence, she thought I agreed with it. When she announced that she was going to marry him, she got mad when I shared scripture with her again in being unequally yoked. I finally told her, in love, that she is an adult, I will love him as my son, but please do not ask me to walk into a building full of idols. I was dropped out everything and she has cut me off. I did think for a moment of regret of not being there until I heard that my son in law took up for me. His parents are both from the south of India, and forced my daughter and him to marry into the church, but my son in law respected that I was just standing for my faith. Silence does nothing but patronize. I learned that I have to answer to one, my Lord and Savior.
I had a similar experience with my daughter. Only she dated and married a Muslim. I told her couldn’t marry him but she just got upset and married him anyway, she said his family practiced it but he didn’t. That wasn’t true! He would come over when they were dating but after marriage I didn’t see him for the next ten years and I wasn’t invited over. I was always kind and welcoming but was rejected.my daughter would come over alone. I studied Islam because I didn’t know much about it. I shared with him that we did not serve the same god. I shared the gospel message. My Christian family were “ shocked by my behaviour” and apologised to him saying “ I can’t believe she did that”. My sister was also a pastors wife. No one supported me. I talked a lot about Islam and lost other family members and an old friend. I was labelled a Muslim hater for speaking the truth . My daughter divorced him in 2022. She hasn’t spoken to me since. I don’t really know why. I believe my sister has made me out to be a bad person spreading lies amongst the family. I’ve paid dearly for standing up for my faith. Jesus is everything to me., I’ll stand with him and the word no matter the cost. And it’s been very painful . Please pray for her. She once said she only went to church to make me happy. Even so, I care for my ex son-in-law, I want to see him saved and continue to pray for him. I did get a chance to talk to him through email, he expressed some regrets. He once nicknamed me the preacher, I’ll take that.
@@cherylp.3347 You’re absolutely correct in what you did. Keep praying for them both, and don’t stop. Pray that God will turn your daughter’s heart back to God, AND back to you. I do wonder about your sister who’s supposed to be a preachers wife. She certainly doesn’t sound like she knows the Bible.
me again¡!! having in my extended family several gay sons and grandchildren. it is difficult but God loves them as I do. so I show love and hospitality to Al but making sure they know where I stand. eternity will make it clear.dorothy ffrench
Catholics are Christians. They believe in Jesus Christ, the trinity etc.
Catholics do not have idols in their house. I’m sorry you cut him off due to your false beliefs about Catholics.
You nailed me when you reminded us that we show how much we love the Lord by how we obey Him. I have been at a spiritually weak point in my walk and I needed to hear that. Thank you for speaking the truth even when it isn't easy or popular
I know how you feel, prayers for your renewal and strength
Iron sharpens iron - this hurts, but it is so good and so necessary at times in our life. Praying for you! 🙏
definitely been me as well.
Praise the Lord that you seek to hear truth in humility. What pleases the Lord over what pleases us!
yes we must side with God and not mans homophobia
Thank you for the biblical clarity on the issue
I have 2 daughters, each of whom are seriously dating men whom I like very much. Both of these men love my Christian daughters and I have no doubt both will make good husbands for them. However, neither are believers. I’ve spoken to both men and they are both open to hearing the gospel and not closed off. As I’m a reformed Christian, I do believe in election and I can only hope and pray that these men are part of God’s divine plan for my girls. This video was so very convicting to me on multiple levels. I’m actually having a little chuckle right now as I thank you for this additional weight on my heart. Bless you brother, for reminding me of who I am and who He is.
I was invited to my cousin’s wedding and she is a lesbian. I didn’t go because what God says is wrong you can not make it right. We should not be lukewarm Christians.
Bless you dear sister.
Your bigotry is as deep as your ignorance and neither does you any credit. As a mere cousin, your approval is likely of no consequence to her.
The very fact that people attend a wedding , is a testament to their credence and approval of the ceremony.
Actually, traditionally and still today in many the attendees are given an opportunity to voice their disapproval. So, wouldn't it be the case that a Christian SHOULD go (if invited) to offer scriptural direction?
Ya know its funny, when Jesus himself talked to tax collectors ( I hope you know what they were actually about)and thieves, and prostitutes, it wasn't for the purpose of engaging in their sins, but as you know, to preach of himself. So ask yourself the question. Would Jesus attend a gay wedding and present a gift of confirmation? If your answer is yes, then I would argue that you have no fear of the righteousness of eternal God. And I'll say, you're in huge,huge company.
@@victorcroker2765 He would attend and present the gift of The Gospel.
Edit - and yes I know what tax collectors then and there did. I
@@CynHicks oh dear one I dont believe he would attend at all.
@@sunnywayPS34 'Oh dear one' but he would've been tortured and humiliated for you, in the wretched place where he found you? He'd show up here and redeem you and all of us, yet two lost people practicing adultery*/sexually immoral behavior (it's not even marriage btw) is just too evil/lost for even him?
Do you know who Hosea is?
Being in the world is not being of it and being right there in the midst of this disgusting, fallen state of US is *exactly* what God did in the man who was called Jesus. He came for just that and he's leaving with just that.
".. now that you've admitted to seeing..."
They are blind! Where is their shepherd!?
"..forgive us our sins [Father]; as we forgive those that sin against us..."
*Sexuality outside of marriage which is between two people, man and woman, FOR LIFE in this flesh.
Thank you, Justin for your uncompromising response to this issue. We need to always put God and His teachings before everyone (even family). It is God who gives us life and life eternal to those who are in Christ. Real love for our loved ones does not mean participating in their rebellious acts, but taking a stand for righteousness that could lead them to their salvation. Blessings to you and your family...
Well done Justin Peters. Thank you Brother. Great job. Very thorough.
As a Scotsman living in West Coast of Scotland not far from where Alistair grew up,I am so saddened by Alistair's words.
Hopefully my brother in Christ Alistair Begg rethinks his comments and Publicly states it.
Peter
Am farther up the road, and here in Skye we had a former Hamilton minister shepherd us for some time. Saddened too, but confused also. There must be a reason why he is said to have doubled down….but not in person, which makes me wonder.
Thank you Brother Justin for a fair and biblical response to this tragic development.
As a pastor, I vehemately disagree with Alistair on deviant wedding attendance. It does NOT matter what that grandson thinks. Other people will see this Christian grandmother at this wedding and think that the homosexual lifestyle is okay with that Christian, SO it must be okay for all Christians. Then it must be okay in the Bible.
The simple attendance of a deviant wedding tells the community at large that you advocate for their sin. No no no no no. You can love that person, and not have to compromise as a soldier of Christ. Unbelievably unacceptable answer, and we will be praying Alistair repents from teaching such an abominable view.
Exactly
True
God's Word clearly states how God the Father feels about homosexuality
He leveled Sodom and Gomorrah bc of it
The Apostle Paul addressed this issue explicitly
We are to follow God's Word, not justify something God deems an abomination by attending it
We're to come out of this world, not partake of its sins
Christ would NEVER marry same-sex couples, so that means He wouldn't attend
He hates it!
It's detestable to Him!
We are to be holy as Christ is holy!
This is why we have no moral and spiritual compass in our country and the world
We've rebelled against God's Word to the point where evil is good and accepted, and it's leading our country families and communities into deeper sin bf God
God's wrath is coming
Better figure out where we all stand with Christ
@@andeejager1753 Yes! if we do not "come out of her" will will partake in her sins and her plagues. Those who cow-tow to sodomites could be given over to strong delusion and take the mark of the beast.
If Christ whipped the money changers out of the temple, what would He do to sodomites before the altar? This is a kind of "strange fire" that the Real God does not tolerate.
Unthinkable and yet, here we are. The great falling away and shaking out. The way is narrow and the gate is straight.
The scenario of the letter seems contrived and devised to open up a discussion about why it is "loving and kind" to tolerate abomination. Sodomy is against the LAW, who is God.
We give way to this sin, which gives rise to the beast and his mark. This is the very context. (1 Kings 14.24; 15.12)
The abomination that causes desolation stand in the Holy place (Mt 24.15) and we are to blame for not condemning it. His people are perishing for lack of understanding. Too much "church", not enough Word of God.
Although I could tell this was painful for you to do, you stood on the truth. You are a courageous man of God ,and I appreciate your boldness with humility speaking the truth in love. I have appreciated your critiques when even famous popular men of God get off track. Hopefully there will be a change in his response and advice. But you have proven faithful in presenting the truth and God will reward you.
We would expect something like this from Steven Furtick, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc. But to hear it from somebody conservative, like Alistair Begg, is very shocking and concerning. Thank you for addressing this, Justin. God bless you. 🙏🙏
Although Kenneth would say "attend the wedding but give me the gift"
@@michaels7325that’s about right lol
Yeah he needs to get off BOTT radio, or I need to stop listening to it. It's a lot of Trump worship too, they need restructured by fundamentalists.
@@michaels7325 Yeah BUT in giving the gift to Copeland you would really just be causing God to give YOU an even GREATER gift at a time to be later determined... LOL!
Alistair is right and I’m almost certain I’m more conservative and more pure than anyone in these comments .
While it's EXTREMELY sad Pastor Alistair has gone down this road This is a great example for all to see how the culture and world of man can creep in if we aren't resolved in our discernment! God Bless you all my Brothers and Sisters in Christ!
Take it easy here. This is still a brother in Christ. Leave the man in the hands of God. You're all so darn perfect, aren't you?
In 1 Corinthians 5 there is a so-called brother, who commits a grave sin, namely living with his father's wife. The apostle Paul condemns it with no small words and also forbids people to associate with such a 'Christian', yes, not even eat with him. To share a meal with others was and is still essential in many cultures around the world. When you saw a stranger, you invited him in for dinner. Abraham did so, Lot did so. It was considered very rude NOT to do so. Which means, that when Paul forbade them to even eat with such a 'Christian' you are making an extremely loud statement of disapproval. The text goes on:
"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people; I did not at all mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the greedy and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to leave the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is a sexually immoral person, or a greedy person, or an idolater, or is verbally abusive, or habitually drunk, or a swindler-not even to eat with such a person. For what business of mine is it to judge outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the evil person from among yourselves."
This sheds a totally new light on our responsibility both towards those IN the church and towards those who are NOT IN the church.
In Luke 5: 27-32 we see Jesus' approach to grave sinners: "After that He went out and looked at a tax collector named Levi sitting in the tax office, and He said to him, “Follow Me.” And he left everything behind, and got up and began following Him. And Levi gave a big reception for Him in his house; and there was a large crowd of tax collectors and other people who were reclining at the table with them. The Pharisees and their scribes began grumbling to His disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with the tax collectors and sinners?” And Jesus answered and said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.”
Here's another time Jesus went in against the letter of the Law, to fulfil it with grace and truth. John 8: 1-11 "But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. And early in the morning He came again into the temple area, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began teaching them. Now the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in the act of adultery, and after placing her in the center of the courtyard, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the very act of committing adultery. Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” Now they were saying this to test Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. When they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Now when they heard this, they began leaving, one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman where she was, in the center of the courtyard. And straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on do not sin any longer.”
In the most holy prayer, that of Jesus, just before He was crucified, He prayed to the Father: "Just as You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world." John 17: 18
Concluding all this, I would say, that the advice Alastair gave in this situation, did not go in against the Bible. The young man knew, what his grandmother's stance was in the situation: that he was sinning. He was not IN the church for the church to judge. And Jesus Himself sat down and ate with the tax collectors (considered the utmost traitors) and other sinners. And as Jesus did not condemn the adulterous woman, nor are we to do so. As He came to seek the lost and save them, so we are to seek the lost and save them. But He did make sure to tell them and her the truth, that it was sin, which they and she did. But offering a hand of grace as well.
Now, when the grandson would want a church wedding, then that part for sure must be skipped. For it is true mockery and open rebellion. And I also advice people not to go to the official part with a worldly ceremony. But I think it is allowed to go afterward to the dinner.
On receiving the invitation, one ought to disclose kindly to the loved one, that is about to openly sin, even when they at that time might not truly understand it, that you believe they are committing a sin. I wrote 'kindly' because of this Bible verse: " Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and restraint and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" Romans 2: 4.
If they hate you for it anyway and un-invite you, so be it. But if they value your presence, they must be willing to meet you halfway, that is After the ceremony. Which means you will possibly not be in the official photographs either, as a silent witness for the truth. They might want to mock you, but you showed your love. And you gave them a very prudent gift, like an intriguing book with a powerful Christian testimony, where someone was delivered out of a totally Different kind of bondage to sin. 'Different', for after all, you seek not to offend, and have them throw the book out unread, but you want to win them over.
Thanks for this Justin.
I’ve enjoyed Begg for years too - as he is a fellow teacher of one of my favorite ministries-
I completely agree w you!
This is a heavy one! Sad to hear this! Thanks for your wisdom! Bless you
Thank you for your loving, Biblical answers to this grievous situation.
Let us all be praying with hope for our dear brother Alistair.
This interview literally broke my heart as Alistair Begg is one of my favourite teachers. I've heard tons of his sermons till I heard his comments on this interview. I feel so sad and pray that the Lord will convict Begg of his error.
Yeah. This says it all. You said it just right
Ditto ❤️🩹🙏🏻
Alister didnt commit an error, He showed how love as Jesus loved, hate the sin but love the sinner. Who all follwed Jesus when He acepted them as fallen humans, hating their sin but bringing them to repentance of the sin of embezzlment (tax gatherers), prostitution and many other horrific sins...Jesus led the way, remaining perfectly holy, and perfectly loving...only the pharisees had an issue with Jesus...Alister is following his wonderful, holy and loving Lord. Bless you Alister, may we "catch our errant family off guard too"
@@oscarswanlund5029 interesting perspective
I felt the same way.😢
Thank you so much for this, Justin. May The Lord Jesus bless you for your commitment to His word and His truth. May He be honored in all we say and do. May He bless you and your family.
Fully agree with you brother, I am sure that following repentance, forgiveness will be equally forthcoming. May the Lord continue to strengthen you to His Glory. I pray for you and Alistair.
Absolutely NO. Never attend a gay marriage.
Or a wedding of two Christian’s who have been fornicating, or a wedding where people are getting drunk, or a wedding of a Christian marrying a non-Christian, or a wedding of someone who is being remarried after divorced (not due to infidelity). We have to be biblically consistent. The Bible condemns all the things I listed.
@@LansingLawnServiceLLC Nobody knows all the sins in a person's life
@@LansingLawnServiceLLCAmen!
@wasntme7845 I am not watering anything down. I just want people to condemn all the other things that are sinful that the church somehow overlooks, but the sin of homosexuality is the one thing they hammer on. The church should have been hammering on all these other sins just as hard over the years, but that haven’t. I think that is part of the reason we have church leaders who are ok with attend gay weddings. If we’re going to condemn on pastor for this we need to condemn all the others for all the other sinful things they have supported. To only hammer on gay weddings and leaving out all the other sexual sin that has been overlooked is not being biblical faithful.
Nope I won’t be there……
1 Cor 5:11 says….
New King James Version
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner-not even to eat with such a person.
Thank you for staying true to scripture.
Praying for Alistair and Parkside.
begg did not endorse Sodom and Gomorrah ...
Thank you, Justin, for your theologically perfect response. You are to be honored for allowing the Holy Spirit to speak Truth through your soul. Your delivery was superb, never faltering or biting, simply standing on God's word, measured and sure. I have heard of you, but did not know of your ministries.
You mentioned meeting Alistair for a few minutes recently. I have physically followed Begg all over the midwest, sleeping in my car many nights in order to hear him speak from one day to the next. I drove to Franklin, Tennessee to hear him when he was sponsored by another radio network, and I was awarded a prize for having come the farthest to that meeting. I spent one birthday weekend at his church. Never have I been so dismayed at anyone as I am with Begg. Perhaps not surprised, though. If you have heard his "apologia" he delivered Sunday night, Jan. 28, you will agree that his "cover-up" is worse than his "crime." Self-serving, pharasaic, making himself the victim, disparaging toward, as he called us, "American Evangelicals." Invoking his daughter for pity.
You are correct, Justin, this is going to open a dialogue amongst us that we should not have had to face. Anne Rector, ThM, Indianapolis.
Appreciate your strong yet king and loving tone you took through this entire piece. Well done brother.
Thank you so much for your encouragement.
I was really disturbed when I heard this about this from Allister. I've been waiting for your response. Thank you Pastor Justin and enjoy your new home. Praying for your family. Be blessed 🙏🙏♥️
I haven’t heard about this at all so I’m veeey curious , I’m a couple minutes in and he is mentioning Pastor Begg, I’m hoping Begg didn’t say yes, I listen to Pastor Begg’s sermons he puts out every morning
But yes of course NO Christians should ever attend a homosexual/trans wedding
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
Perfect scripture for this situation 👌.
Thank you for saying this. I see lots of confusion around me on this subject, and clear teaching like this is needed.
Thank you, Justin for responding to this. I wish more pastors would talk about these things from the pulpit, but sadly most will not.
Justin Peters' response to this sad departure from scripture by a noted Christian preacher is the best I've seen yet. He hit evey nail on the head. I'm so sorry that it has been necessary.
hesitated about my grandaughters ŵedding to anither woman. i htted it but endured left after the meal i greeted them but both knew my belief was contrary to what was beingdone. . very difficult. df
RUclips lgbtq plus policy that we are supporting and financing right here right now but nothing to see here no hypocrisy at all.
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Amen brother Justin you are spot on, this message was sorely needed...we must do as the lord commands!
Amen
Listen, pray for Allister. Remember, he is still a man, not a God. We fail at times, and we need prayer.
Great response thank you for your courage and speaking the TRUTH❤
but homophobics lie
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple." AND GRANDCHILDREN
(Deep Breath) My oldest is gay. We have always welcomed her and her partner into our home. (Holidays birthdays.) Sarah made it clear not overstep her "boundaries." Her exact words. I have honored that. She sent us a picture of her Marriage license and I didn't respond right away, I knew I had to decline. When I told her I wouldn't be able to attend, She said, "I knew it!" She blew up! I have tried to reach out to her but I doubt she'll speak to me again. I have missed her so much and have dreams that she is speaking to me, I wake up so sad. I couldn't give her the affirmation she wanted because it's a SIN! I may as well chunk my bible in the trash! If you're not going to take the word of God seriously don't even begin. I can look around for myself and see that this world is in complete chaos and Jesus is coming. My prayer is that God will open her eyes. I have faith because I put my trust in God. If I had gone to her wedding, I might as well signed her death certificate, she would know that the bible is just another book. I trust the LORD we aren't going to be here much longer. If you're going to follow Christ best be ready to die. I love the LORD he is faithful if you stand with him. I will not compromise my relationship with him. I believe she will repent.
That's so hard! Hang in there sis.
@@mzp6620 I still cry because I do miss her. Pray for me, my name is Carolina. What Justin said at the end is my Hope and that when things get worse here, she'll realize the bible is true. My prayers for her or anyone else in my life would be void if I had gone.
@@raindancer3330 I will pray for repentance for S, and wisdom and comfort for you. Life is messy and difficult, but as you said God is faithful.
I miss my oldest son! He’s not gay but is not actively following the Lord. He hasn’t denied him but so much of his life is t glorifying God. He doesn’t talk to me much.
@@lightabounds77 you are one of thousands in this situation. The Bible speaks of this. Hugs
Thank you, Justin. My son is struggling with a similar situation. His group of boys he has grown up with, a very tight group, has a boy in it that has decided to be a “transgender.” All of the boys have contended with him from a Christian mindset but he will not listen. The mothers are also all close. We homeschooled them together. He refuses now to “hang out” with his buddies if this boy is present. It has caused an uproar and he is being pressured heavily and told he is “unloving.” Some of these other moms have now blocked him, etc. Especially the mother and her closest friend.
Please pray for us as we navigate these difficult waters, wanting to so in a way that is right before God.
Obviously this is not the same scenario as a wedding, but where do we draw the line?
Being loving is telling someone the truth even if they don't like it. It is very hard, but following Christ will cost us all friends, family, and a multitude of things we care about. The treasure of Jesus Himself and the kingdom of heaven is worth losing anything in this world. Your son is doing the right thing, not condoning a lifestyle of sin in someone who claims to be Christian.
That's a difficult situation too! Indeed, where do we draw the line? My first thought is this: You wrote "All of the boys have contended with him from a Christian mindset but he will not listen." This means, that all did the loving thing, speaking the truth and warn him. This was indeed their first responsibility and they all took it. Praise God.
My second thought is this: Does this boy go to church? For the apostle Paul gives a very clear statement about sexual and other sins. 1 Corinthians 5: 1-8 "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and sexual immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, namely, that someone has his father’s wife. You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst. For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to turn such a person over to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. Therefore let’s celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
But then the apostle Paul continues: "I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people; I did not at all mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the greedy and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to leave the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is a sexually immoral person, or a greedy person, or an idolater, or is verbally abusive, or habitually drunk, or a swindler-not even to eat with such a person. For what business of mine is it to judge outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the evil person from among yourselves." Verses 9-13.
This same principle can be applied here. When the boy confesses to be a Christian, we are commanded to exclude such a person from the church and not even eat with him. So also not 'hang out' with him.
But if the boy does not confess to be a Christian, we are not obliged to do any of that. We are to judge those, who are IN the church only. Those outside God will judge.
It gets complicated, when he is still young enough for his parents to obligate him to come to church. But are not many teens of Christians showing sinful behavior? Remember: we are born as sinners. We are RE-born through the Spirit of God as saved saints. We cannot expect those, who are not reborn yet to be able to stop sinning. In fact the Bible calls them slaves to sin. But there's hope for all and God can wash us clean through the blood of Christ, shed on the cross, for the redemption of our entire beings.
If the boy goes to church because his parents demand it, and it is clear to the whole church, that he is still under the authority of his parents and brought there to gain the perspective of the gospel, then he must be treated as any other sinner: with compassion and truth in love. Always trying to get him up to where the others are. Praying for this snare of the devil to be lifted from him. Who knows what a powerful testimony this boy one day may have and how many he may win over to the Lord later on, because he knows what it is to be ensnared And delivered out of it!
But when the boy claims to be a Christian, and thus a so-called brother, we are to follow the rules of Matthew 18: 15-17 “Now if your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be confirmed. And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." The Gentiles were seen as gross sinners and the tax collectors were seen as horrid traitors. No friendship between such were possible. Here the true disciple will choose the Lord over any friendship.
In the case of your son 'hanging out' with his friends, also with this boy, the perspective is again the following: does the boy claim to be a Christian? Step 1 and step 2 of Matthew 18 have already be taken here, step 3 must follow and if the boy doesn't listen, no matter how old he is, be it 13 or 16, he is not allowed in the church anymore, according to 1 Corinthians 5: 1-13. His rebellious presence would function like poison to the entire church. "Remove the evil person from among yourselves."
But, if this boy does not confess to be a Christian, it is to be assessed what influence the boys have on one another. Is he in a rather leading position? He and his sinful reasoning might turn others to fall! Is he in a following position? The stronger others might be able through their persistent friendship to win him over in the end. Whilst everybody is praying for him.
For sure this is no time for lukewarm 'Christianity'. The lukewarm make Jesus gag and He will vomit them out! (Revelations 3: 15-16 "‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth."
Notice, that Jesus is not vomiting out the 'cold'. He does not vomit out the person, who doesn't know Him yet. He vomits out the person, who claims to know Him, yet is no disciple of him, inflamed by the Holy Spirit.
If the confused and sinning boy is not spreading his sin in this group of friends, and he is not in a leading position, but instead the friends might be able to carry him to become saved over time, then one can still be his friend. Just like the four friends of the paralyzed man, that brought him to Jesus to be healed in Mark 2: 1-12 "When Jesus came back to Capernaum a few days later, it was heard that He was at home. And many were gathered together, so that there was no longer space, not even near the door; and He was speaking the word to them. And some people came, bringing to Him a man who was paralyzed, carried by four men. And when they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd, they removed the roof above Him; and after digging an opening, they let down the pallet on which the paralyzed man was lying. And Jesus, seeing their faith, said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” But some of the scribes were sitting there and thinking it over in their hearts, “Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins except God alone?” Immediately Jesus, aware in His spirit that they were thinking that way within themselves, said to them, “Why are you thinking about these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven’; or to say, ‘Get up, and pick up your pallet and walk’? But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”-He said to the paralyzed man, “I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet, and go home.” And he got up and immediately picked up the pallet and went out in the sight of everyone, so that they were all amazed and were glorifying God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”
Jesus first addressed the root cause of the man's problems, when He said "Son, your sins are forgiven." He might even be paralyzed due to a sexually transmittable sin, which could not be treated back then. See the love of Jesus, to first name him 'son' and then deal with his greatest worries! See the love of the 4 friends, who carried him all the way up to that house and who would not be stopped, but risked an angry house owner, and later had to repair that roof! But they stayed true to their friend and they brought him to Jesus and Jesus solved all of the man's problems.
I hope, I did not write all this down in vain, but you actually took the time to read it. I also hope it really does help both you and your son and all the others in your community. If you find it of value, you may let your son also read this and weigh it in his spirit and conscience. How commendable for a young man to not want to sin and even risk losing his close friends over that! And perhaps it must be so. But perhaps not. It really depends upon the situation. Your son can also talk this through with his Christian friends to see what is the right course for all of them and what God is asking from all of them.
Also, I would appreciate some feedback. God bless all of you!
Besides, I think that in the given situation with the grandson marrying a transgender person, Mr. Alistair Begg did not go in against the Bible. If you are interested in my reasons for that, and I believe them to be sound, than I can give you the comment with all the Bible verses pertaining to that as well. Also that is a matter of finding the right place to draw the line. And again, it all starts with 1 Corinthians 5: 1-13.
I don't doubt Mr. Peters' genuine concern, but I think there IS more to this matter to be said from the Bible's complete perspective.
May God, who combines love, truth, patience, kindness and righteousness all in Himself give you and your community much wisdom!
@@gardenjoy5223 sadly, this young man does not consider himself a Christian. My son is the oldest of the group and very much the leader up until now. The mother of the young man was recently baptized and is attending church now but the son, to my knowledge, is not attending. The father is not a believer. Unfortunately, the boy was sent to community college to take some classes and has come under these terrible influences. Thank you for kind and prayerful response. I will spend some more time going over it again. Bless you for responding.
I am so sorry you are going through this. Forgive me, but my answer will be somewhat sarcastic. In my opinion, his friend's sexual confusion/choices are his friend's business, and none of your son's business. If it is your son's business, why draw the line with just the friends from school? Hey, let's follow God's instructions to the letter! Read 1 Corinthians 5: 9-13. So, if any of your friends, children, family, coworkers, contractors, employees, or neighbors are guilty of sexual immorality you are to refuse to associate with them at all. You are not even permitted to share a meal with them! Ignorance is no excuse. We all need to ask the people in our lives if they are engaging in sexual immorality, then do as God commands, cut them out of our lives entirely. This is clearly impractical. But I hope you see my point. Right now, how does your son know that another of his friends in his group isn't a closet homosexual? Shouldn't he make sure the rest of his friends are all straight? The Bible also tells us not to associate with non-Christians. Are all of your son's friends Christian? Would your son cut his best friend out of his life if this friend were to declare he had lost his faith? I'm sorry, but not one of us who is rational follows the Bible perfectly. I am a "struggling Christian" myself. It is issues like yours that are pushing me further from a literal interpretation of the entire Bible. There are just too many cracks in it to accept every word as truth. I'm over 50 now, and I'm not going to stop loving God, and I am still holding onto Jesus, but I am now willing to admit some of the Bible was written by men... fallible men. I would tell your son to shine his light and love on everyone equally. Don't be afraid to speak his mind to his transgender friend, but don't let that keep him from hanging out with him and giving him his love and friendship just as he would any other sinful child of God. Good luck.
as a tenderfoot Christian I find this guidance very helpful. I appreciate for the elders this is not a thorny question and I have learned so much about worshipping God and not falling for distractions. Thank you Justin.
A firm yet gracious response!
Thank you for so lovingly yet, firmly handling this critique of beloved Pastor Begg. The older I grow, the more I understand that all of us, including Pastors, are susceptible to error and self deception. That is why the Lord tells us not to lean unto our own understanding. I pray pray that these statements from Pastor Begg are not a symptom of a greater temptation or sin that he might be struggling with. I’ve now seen quite a few of these greatly loved pastors fall into deep pits. May God bless and keep him and you as well brother Peters. 🙏🏼
We are all sinners. We all fall short. Let us continue to love one another, give each other grace.
This has given me much to ponder as I respect both Begg and Peters. Indeed they are in precarious positions as teachers of God’s Word.
Dear Jesus! Please be with them both, giving them wisdom and discernment! Please, dear Lord, let there be unity in You, and not divisiveness in the Body!
This is heartbreaking. I have been to Parkside as a guest and I have listened to many of Pastor Begg’s sermons. I was always confident in his message. Thank you for this video and message. Praying for Alister Begg to be convicted by Godly truth.
Thank you so much for this beautiful response. You’re a faithful man of God.
So glad to see that you’re tackling other subjects instead of cutting down fellow ministers.🙏🏻🙌🏻
Justin, you are 100% right, we are in the last days we have to stand on the word of God, which never changes it never changes, SIN is SIN! end of story!👍🏽
I appreciate you making this video response. I've thought the same and agree with you since day one, but wow, I've seen so many think what Alistair said was ok, and that anyone who disagreed with him is legalistic and a Pharisee.
Indeed, the state of the modern professing church is in a dark place. Pray God people humbly return to the Bible, God's Word, as their foundation and not the changing winds of culture.
Thank you so much for this video. The tone was so appropriate for this sad issue. We must remain faithful to God's Word - praying that Mr. Begg will repent and be restored.
Thank you for this explanation. So needed
He broke my heart. I have a gay son, and I won't be able to attend if he ever decides to marry.😢 Jesus said we'd have to be able to leave our family if we follow Him. ❤~ Mamaw Christy 🥰
Getting off your son’s back and allowing him to lead his own life was a good decision. He likely won’t even notice your absence| when he’s among people who care for him. My wife and I are fortunate to have strongly supportive parents who delight in being involved in their granddaughters lives, growing up.
Keep praying, stay in her life in other areas. And ignore the evil trolls here.
@@jerilowehowell6015 If praying is your best idea, there’s little hope for you. The “evil trolls” here all sound suspiciously like mean spirited christians.
@@anushkasekkingstad1300is the devil paying you by the comment?
@@Version135 The “devil”, like “gods” is a mere figment of primitive man’s imagination.
Absolutely not.
When I first came to the Lord, I almost went to a lesbian wedding. I’m so glad I didn’t what a farce and mockery of true marriage is I think I have an Alistair bag book is heading for the garbage along with the other books, like Jesus calling, and a Smith Wigglesworth devotional garbage
Thank you for this excellent, thorough and helpful analysis.
Thank you Justin, you speak the truth which clearly isn't an easy thing to do.
A touchy subject for many, but you explained it great. Easy to understand. "the only measure of our love FOR God is our obedience TO God" well said! Thank you.
It's not really loving your neighbors to treat them with so much contempt. Jesus ate and drank with corrupt tax-collectors and prostitutes, and you'r behaving like a Pharisee in Her holy name.
Thank you Justin for clarity from God's word.
Pray that Allistair will do the right thing to repent of his sin before God to bring honour to Him and peace in our hearts around the world who follow his preaching.🙏
“Love does not delight in evil” (I Cor. 13) is sometimes translated as “Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness.” Both mean that we should not celebrate what God says is wrong. Another example we are living in the "last days" and God is NOT mocked. Real love is the love of Christ, not the celebration of sin.
Justin,
Im just so overjoyed that I found you and several other you tubers. Ive been a Christian for a long time. Only in the past couple years Since I found you have I understood that I needed to have a decreasing pattern of sin which would be accomplished through learning Gods word then obeying his word. Prior to hearing you and others I thought I was okay. I didn't do any of the things that everyone readily recognizes as sin like committing adultery, stealing, etc. Oh, but when I got into the word of God , I began to recognize sin in myself that prior to I didn't know was sin. The Word showed me that some of my thoughts and behaviors that seemed right were actually sin. Glory to God!
Amen!
As usual, a beautifully measured video commentary on this truly tragic situation. Thank you, Justin, for another solid example of how to respond in Christian love to another believer's blatant sin.
Thank you. This was an excellent presentation of biblically rational reasoning done with graciousness, while speaking the truth in love.
At first I refused to believe it and thought the youtube videos I saw a handful of days ago were “click bait”….and I have to say my heart is broken. I’ve listened to him so much for so many years, supported his ministry. I pray our dear brother repents. Thank you for this clear, Biblical response. God bless and keep you, Justin.
Consent by silence is still consent
My granddaughter a few years ago invited my husband and me to her wedding, she's gay and was marrying another girl, we had To say no, my heart was broken, now she thinks shes a man had several surgeries to remove any part showing her women , I have been praying for her soul!
That's so sad. So many beautiful girls really mixed up.
Thank you so much brother for standing on truth of God’s word and not compromising his word. God bless you for your honesty and faithfulness in teaching the truth of God’s word.
Justin, I left the gay lifestyle years ago and follow Jesus. I do not regret my decision, but there are days that are tortuous. Even though I do not act on the feelings, they are still there. It can be very lonely at times. Thank you for your video.
Thank you for clarity on this issue. Years back, my brother and his partner were going to get "married," but thankfully, that never took place. I'm still praying that they'll repent. They know where I stand on this issue. It would have been a very difficult decision for me, too.
Wonderful lesson by you Justin. We need to pray for Alistair that he gets this. I am also glad you wrote to him personally, that was a good thing to do.
It's my understanding that Alister Begg is scheduled to speak at John MacArthur s Shepard conference this March! Does anyone know if this is still on?
Begg will not be at ShepCon
Hi Justin is that the context of the verse "MISLEAD OR DECEIVE EVEN THE ELECT" in Matthew 24:23-25?
I've been waiting for your response, Mr. Peters!
Me too!
Me three
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Me five, Erik Metaxas next.
Me six, even from France ... Such a sad case, but our Lord is in charge of all of this.
I also don't support same sex marriage and from what I have learnt from the Bible clearly shows me if I attend a same sex marriage it is sinful indeed and As a Christian myself I know the holy spirit forbids me to attend also I don't go to events that support Homosexuals, I just can't do it. For me it's impossible for me to do such a thing because I know it's definately wrong!
God Bless you Justin 🙏
Just so you know if your son is dating a transgender. Your son is dating a man same for if it were your daughter if she were dating a transgender its a women its a homosexual relationship they just call themselves transgender now instead of being called gay they say they are transgender and it's really a man dressed like a women or a women dressed like a man.
Is it sinful to attend a wedding of non-Christians who have lived in sin or maybe marry 2 or 3 times in an adulterous marriage???
@@ellachristina7730 ^this. Even in the church, so many Christians don't bat an eyelid when a divorced Christian marries another Christian, in fact they wholeheartedly support it. Are they ignorant of it being sinful, or do they just not care?
Divorce by serial adultery or being abandoned by an unbeliever...remarriage is permitted
One cannot attend a gay "marriage". You cannot attend something that does not exist. There is no such thing as a "same sex marriage". Marriage is defined by a covenant before God between 1 man and 1 woman. If you think attending a marriage of someone who is sinful is the same as two sodomites pretending to be married, you're off your rocker and soft.
Great video. A video freshly outlining the scriptural / God understanding of marriage would be very helpful.
Great video. Thank you Justin!
You have so very kindly and lovingly stated what is in God's Word. Thank you!
Thank you, Justin, for addressing this issue with such clarity and grace. May we all pray earnestly for Alistair Begg to understand the gravity of his error.
Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.
Alistair Begg should know better!😮
@@Sherlock245I didn’t hear anyone to say to hate them.
@@algazac jesus was rebellious too.
@@Sherlock245I never said the opposite. Mathew 21:12-13
Brother Justin, God bless you, my brother. Keep up defending the truth of God’s word.
Amen. In my view, Alistair is a modern day titan of the gospel. I have listened to him for many years, have met him and attended Parkside. I am shocked and bewildered, overwhelmed with disappointment that this mightily graced servant of the Lord could go off the theological rails in such a profound and unexpected way. Even if he had run off with his secretary, as a man I could empathize a bit. But his clearly unbiblical advice in this situation is beyond the pale. Your response together with Pastor Piper's comments represent one of the most loving, Spirit led, and accurate handlings of the Word of Truth I have ever heard. Thank you, brother.
And your opinion is definitely correct?
It's definitely correctable. However, until that happens, I stand by it. And I also stand by Alistair. In my opinion, he gave very bad advice in this case. But that does not offset the years of wonderful teaching he has given me, and hopefully, the many years of teaching to come.
@@mikehanks1399Use discernment. He is a false teacher. He refuses to repent and be corrected
More and more respected Christian teachers are watering down biblical truth, I'm so sad that Alistair would so this. We have to stay in the Word constantly to make sure that we don't get led astray. Thank you Justin for keeping us focused
Your comment is a sure warning. Stay in The Word of God and no compromising it either. Its going to get tougher aa we see more people doing it to please The culture.
Homo wedding is a sin like all other sins, This guy would have been among the crowd who would have condemned Jesus for sitting beside sinners as he did. Sin is sin. It’s easy to condemn Alister, go on make a meal of it, but don’t Forget it will knock at your door soon,maybe in your own family.
What a Holy Willy, what about attending unbelievers wedding that’s rubbing shoulders with the world, dear one, are you without sin ?
Yep!
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨