The first jet who was able to kill the F14 tomcat aka (the tomcat killer). Was the mirage F1 with a confirmed kill in the middle east war and a total of four confirmed kill during it. So it's funny to not see the mirage as a threat for the tomcat but yeah Gaijin and French tech tree🤷♂️
Iran-Iraq war: The mig25s in fighter variant got 14 kills to 1 loss. Apparent 10 losses, 9 of them were only the recon variant Only 2 of these (recon) were confirmed
I think if they add the MiG-25 they should add the earlier variants first and not skip to later variants since that’s the precedent set with most other jets (eg: adding the F4C before any others, the MiG-23M before the MLD, etc)
me too I would like to see at least 3 variants an early P variant without flares or PD and great missiles at a lower br and the PD or PDS variant at a higher br to face the tomcat, and an RBT variant to carry bombs and cool stuff like that!
@@matawg I think they are waiting for SEAD missiles to be added to the game for the MiG-25. That would give it something to do in ground RB other than just running around the map trying to drop bombs at Mach 3.
@@phantom4E2 well they didn’t folder the two MiG-23 variants in the USSR tree or the German MiG-21’s as well as the two F4’s that come one after another or the two American F104’s so there isn’t really a precedent to do that
My dad was a mig25rbt in iraq air force He was bombing kharg island in 1987 the tomcat cant reach their ALT If you using the mig25rbt (bomber variant) It can have 15 fab500 bomb or 27 fab100 i think you can bomb any target easily while the tomcat cant catch you Even the phoenix
thats great man! the rbt is know to be able to put full afterburners and maintain its full power during the entire flight without even overheating over the desert of egypt
2:40 I'm no Russian aviation expert I fancy myself with American aviation more but I've been trying to do some digging on the MIG-25. I already had background knowledge on the aircraft as it hasn't been the first time I've thought to do research on the aircraft although I must say I've never come across any valid articles, images, and/or representations of the Mig-25 ever having countermeasures. I have multiple ideas behind why this is, probably one of the biggest reasons is that not only are the engines large but they also are extremely hot meaning that even if they were to stick their largest flares as a viable countermeasure it would unlikely to any success. The second reason, though I probably should have mentioned this first, is that being so large of an aircraft such as the F-14 Tomcat it deals with the issue of being extremely easy to see on radar. I don't believe they thought chaff was a viable option knowing this as the aircraft is super large. Along with these two reasons I could also state that the MIG-25 role is partially to blame as well. Due to it being an interceptor its sole purpose would have been to get to the target in record time and shoot it down before it could do any harm. It's unlikely that they would have spent the time to attach countermeasures to an aircraft that would presumably at the time be faster than anything it would ever find itself facing. Also, the Mig-25's main role is to intercept a specific target, high-altitude bombers, and left it in a spot where it wouldn't necessarily be in danger or threatened so the need for countermeasures wasn't I think in their minds necessary and opted not to add them. But I could very well be wrong, like I said I'm no Russian aviation expert although I have a pretty good idea this might be the reason why if I am to assume there isn't any countermeasures on the MIG-25 as I haven't yet figured out where they would be located on the aircraft if they are there to begin with.
They had it was the same BVP pod that the mig MLD has, the thing is just like the F-4 is hard to find some pictures about it, tho u can still find it, its a matter of time, cause aicraft like the mig23 and f4 for example only received countermeasures in the late 70's like 1977 for example for the F-4's, and even later for some others. so most of the mig25's being P variants most of the photos that we have in the internet are early 70's P's, which means no countermeasures. By manual they could use them and they did. Even tho yes it was probably a problem with such a larger heat signature to defeat missiles with flares, but they added it anyway haha
@@matawg You're probably right XD, I haven't yet seen a photos but I don't disbelieve the Mig-25 could have very well had countermeasures although it is unlikely that it did anything for them lol.
not the best, it is one of the counters possible without putting stuff with like 300+ climb rates and possibility of cobra pugachevs that will break the game, the 25PD together with the MLD will be enough to counter the f14 in dogfights and bvr
@@matawg well... Instead of putting a new plane why not giving the Mirage F1 his real nature. The mirage F1 known as the tomcat killer was the first to be able to kill a tomcat with the first confirmed kill during the middle east war. A total of 4 confirmed kill. It's just sad that Gaijin folow the basic USA propaganda as (we do best) when in real life most of their aircraft was as bad as driving a bicycle for war. (hello F35 for example)
Yup. I agree. Mig-25 and Mig-31 with R-33 (AA-13 Amos) should be added. Doesn't have to be technically correct, just make it close-ish and itll be a good counter to the F-14. That'll balance it well. Mig-29 is right out, but I have a feeling we'll eventually see F-16, F-15, Mig-29, Su-27, J-10A, etc... its ultimately about, can they sell it and make money.
Oh yes, the phoenix's tremendous range of 16km in-game. I've hit further shots with R-24T's. The F-14A cannot BVR at the moment due to its missiles being so scuffed.
I actually agree to your Video in every single way. The more modern we look into the future we can see that Guns are been almost useless if you can have a Missile that can shoot them down before they can get whitin range. The Mig-25 doesnt need a Gun to be efficient at killing aircraft in War Thunder. Its missile are capable enough to deal whit any (Especially the F-14) aircraft in War Thunder. It Trades the Turning time the F-14 and others have into High altittude speed that cant be touched. The Mig-25s Reputation is also another reason to play it in War Thunder as I play the game only because of the History behind a Vehicle and the Mig-25 and Yak-141 are no exception as I await for them to be added soon or later.
yep, doesn't matter if it is meta or not it should be ingame, and I still think the mig29 might be a little op for now so a mig25 would fit the game but anyway I'm starting to doubt that it will be added just because of the negative myths it had irl.
@@matawg It having no guns and only missile combined whit a high altitude top speed encourages to play a different meta then dogfight fur ball we currently have. Beside it can be added as to how much people argue whit me telling me its bad and the worst plane that made the west believe its bad. Wait till I use it as it was designed and built for high altitude interception. It will get added same as Yak-141 (reason why Yak-38 was removed from market?)
what do you mean? mach 2 is already ingame, there is no aircraft irl that can go mach 2 at low altitudes, the max speed is always from 1100-1400 max at sea level
4 missiles that are just as good as the aim7F or even better its fine more than that it would be op. the F4J and f104asa are perfectly fine if u use them without guns so 4 R40 missiles or 2 + 4 r60m's would be enough
While the mig 25 sounds great, its just... incapable of reaching high speeds at low heights. It is capable of reaching mach 3+ at like ten thousand meters in the sky, which is pointless, as the only way to use the plane at it's maximum speed would be to climb to the moon and then descend above your target rapidly. This MAY work, but the plane would tear itself apart as the durability of the aircraft was beyond questionable, and damage would begin to appear quickly once you start your descend. While i love the idea of the mig 25 (essentially a glass cannon) it just wouldnt work. Like at all. By the way, the maneuverability would be negligable since if you retained your speed, nothing would be able to catch you during your 'escape'.
by manual it could reach 1445kph at sea level, so idk what u are talking about haha, not only that the acceleration will be better than most of the aircraft ingame, with an radar that is better than most with PD and with missiles that are better than aim7F's and R24's, so nah its going to be very good, maybe not everybody's cup of tea but still great
@@matawg if you are correct, i am glad to be wrong. I love the concept of the mig 25 in warthunder, as just the massive speed and acceleration could be extremely fun to experiment with
mig31 shares more characteristics with f14 imo, mig31 could carry 4 long range missles and 4 short range missles with better maneuverability than a mig25, maybe it's will be a good counterpart of f14
I still think the 31 would be too much, russia alrready has the MLD the 25 would just step up the game in the bvr departament to help the MLD counter the f14!
@@matawg MiG-31B is good early variant early new 4th gen aircraft for USSR tech tree, Vympel R-33S on MiG-31 nod bad BVR long-range ARH missile, G overload 24G maneuverability better AIM-54 Phoenix
If top gun maverick didn’t exist gaijin would have probably added it(or something better) to complement the update as they usually do with new eras(like F4c/21.f13 or f100/mig19), they’re most likely intentionally not adding a “counter” so people want to play it after watching the movies and bring more focus to its addition. It’s a shame because the other Jets this patch are pretty boring.
@@GrundleLongDong you do have a point, and they did break the game with the MF and SMT, but we’re talking about adding an entire new generation of aircraft here. the MLD and SMT/MF were added well after the base versions, and didn’t add any major new systems to the game unlike what we are seeing with the F14 having both TWS and SARH missiles,
@@peanutraider8654 well technically they should’ve added new systems seen as both the mld and viggen have tws irl as well as multi lock. And they should be getting those features soon, the mld also introduced irst to the game which broke it for a while allowing bvr kills with no rwr ping, the mld also had vastly greater performance than anything else similar to this Ofc this shouldn’t be the case, but the fact is this isn’t a new phenomenon
Neither the MiG-25 or the MiG-31 are combat effective aircraft. Their engines overheat too quickly for them to keep up a good high airspeed, their radar signature is the size of a building, and their turning radii are the size of Texas.
overheating? those are myths a lot of soviet pilots flew many flights over egypt a lot of times full afterburner during the entire flight to get away from israeli F4's, they didnt overheat. wikipedia is not the greatest source for this type of thing , and the turning ratio of any aircraft flying mach 2+ is huge mate haha at lower speed its almost the same as an F4
@@bigtony4930 Why even claim anything related to history, if we are dealing with War Thunder? Does your Tiger tank break down all the time, like it did irl? Oh and can you tell me how good the Kronshtadt was, as it was never even finished? War Thunder is a representation, but not a historically correct one.
People need to realize that the mig 25 is not really a great plane as its heavy and lacks a look down radar and the mig 29 would br good but I personally think that the su 27 flanker and mig 31 foxhound would make better choices.
29, su27 and mig31 will completely Destroy everything ingame rn, they have two options to solve that putting the 25 and tornados to be the late 70's counters to the f14 (not that they are counters to each other, its just that they would help) or add the 29 for example but adding something along the lines of an f16A or something like that to balance
Mig-25 need to be tier like f-4, a-4... counter for f-14 is mig-31 ;)(mig-25 is older plane than mig-23, same like mig-31 is older than mig-29) People speak how bad is...but Mig-25 have best kill -lose ration from all mig family...not many mig-25 lost during air to air cmbt.
@@matawg Mig-25P is from era F-4 same like Mig-23. They was answer to F-4. Mig-21Bis is also from same time when MLA(what you see is something midle age upgrade). later variant Mig-25PD have better radar and r-60 missiles(4 instend 2 r-40 infrared), some wariants was use bombs and antiradar missiles. f-15 was answer to mig-25, navy rejected f-15 and choose own design. F-14 was answer to mig-25 and to nuclear bombers. Not oposite. Also Mig-31 can do everything like MIg-25 and better(he use all weapons from Mig-25 + 4 more missiles with Long range, better radar, have cannon + R-73...) I wanna see both planes if you ask me. But Mig-25 can fight only lower tier where he belong in time he was start to fly with. Mostly problem with f-14 is because he don't belong to this current rang...is not problem where to put mig-25. F-14 is replace f-4.they need to make new rank where they gonna put mig-29,su-27, f-15,f-16, f-14, jas-39, mirage 2000 etc
Only the MiG 25 was stated to be a complete joke, with only later variants having a radar equal to the 4Js, which still won't stack up against a Tomcat. I think the MLD is the closest you can get in terms of WVR and BVR, other then the MiG 31. MiG 31 would make more sense as it has access to a gun, better radar, and better missiles.
I mean I personally would like to understand why people HATE the 25 so much? yes it doesnt have a gun, but that never stopped navy phantom pilots to say that i was better because of many reasons including maneuverability, yes the max g for safety was 4.5g but it managed to get to 11g like any other jet its not like the US didnt have this very low (compared to wt) g limits as well, the radar was not bad remember that by the time the f4e was entering in production the 25 was already flying and breaking records the P radar was very good for the time and for the 70's, PD having a much needed upgrade until the mig31 entered in service. yes I think the 31 is the best option obviously but the 25 was not by any means bad, and aircraft doesnt have to turn 16g's to be good. each aircraft ever built by human kind has a purpose and for its the 25 was the best out there until stuff like the f14 and mig31 came. it was the best of its kind and is kinda weird that people have this opinion mostly because the US intelligent thought that it was a super fighter that it wasnt. cheers man! give the 25 a chance haha
@@matawg bc the MiG 25 in real life wasn't good. It was hated by the pilots that flew them. The aircraft itself was extremely unreliable. It was meant purely for intercepting bombers and the SR-71. In A2A combat it lacked. On the deck, where most combat in WT takes place, it only hits mach 0.9 due to the engine tuning. It would play like a worse F-104, which already isn't very good. Even the late MiG25PD and PDS had worse avionics then that of the Tomcat. I don't hate the MiG 25, I just realize, like most others, the plane had more faults then pros.
@@matawg Also coming from a place of experience. I own most top tier aircraft, and have flown the ones I don't own, except for the J-8 and the Mirage F1C, which would be the two I don't own, and haven't flown. In my experience the 104SASA relies heavily on headons, and I noticed doing worse without the gun. A gun at top tier, gives you options incase your missiles miss, which they will as CMs and notching are common place at top tier. It'd be another 400k rp and 1m SL that I don't want to grind out, just to be a stepping stone to the MiG 29 and 31. They could still at the 25 into the game as an event or premium to either Russia or Germany, but it just wouldn't make a good TT vehicle.
but for that it was not bad, thats what im saying, its like saying that the a10 is a really bad aircraft because it was bad at BVR, well it was never meant to do that. the double standard here is clear, the mig25 was not bad and btw it was possible to fly until a recorded 1440km/h in the deck with it. they didnt go faster because of fear of breaking it. most of the things are myths or weird wikipedia made facts. like 90% of the things we see in the internet to be fair haha. and unreliable? for the sources that I have is the absolute contrary. it was an amazing aircraft made to do one very specific thing. over 1100 built. the soviets (the same people sending gagarin to space a few years before the mig25) werent going to built something if they thought it was bad. cheers man !
@@matawg he’s over exaggerating but the radar got nerfed so it behaves more realistically. Basically the f14A radar irl is great at detecting fast moving objects as well as objects moving at a medium pace, however it was very poor at detecting slow moving objects, so headon it’ll be great, however you won’t be able to lock a slow moving aircraft nor an aircraft flying away from you. The radar was also made to be much more susceptible to notching meaning it’s much easier to break the lock
@@matawg I should also add a lot of the other TT vehicles got their radars buffed also which has closed the gap between the f14 and the others a decent bit
F-14 fan boys are going to be shocked at how F-14 did not live up to the hype in real life. It was tested by multiple nations against a bunch of different fighters. It was only picked up by the Shah of Iran via an very underhanded deal to save it from being scrapped sooner than it was.
Garbage plane like mig-23 is flying ufo in the game, why would plane like F-14 perform bad in the game, in real life it is such a good dog fighter, unless you Russian mains want to have another wet dream with F-14 nerf, like you always having with poor Russian plane like MIG-19 to MIG-23, for some weird reason they are dog fighter in the game, while in real life they are intercepter with poor maneuverability, most of them have extremely bad rear visibility lime MIG-21 and MIG-23!!
Except the f14 was good irl lmfao.... If it was bad the navy would have retired it much earlier. If you want to be "shocked" then you should see how shit Russian planes were at the time. The mig 23 was absolutely horse shit until the mld. Oh and the F14 was literally in service with the navy for almost 30 years until it was replaced by the F18. Stay mad that American planes have been better than Russian shit since then. Russian doesn't even have aesa yet lmao.
My personal feeling is them adding the F14A will open the door to planes such as the tornado ADV/GR1 , mig 29 , mirage F1 1980s version, mirage 2000
The first jet who was able to kill the F14 tomcat aka (the tomcat killer).
Was the mirage F1 with a confirmed kill in the middle east war and a total of four confirmed kill during it.
So it's funny to not see the mirage as a threat for the tomcat but yeah Gaijin and French tech tree🤷♂️
Yea Russian devs never let USA dominate long
you don't have to feel it, they already announced that they will add all the planes up to the F-22 and Su 57
@@SupaMan2122 they are not Russian but Hongarian dude
@@alaricpumani5372 maybe because warthunder isn’t a sim and most of us aren’t military pilots
Iran-Iraq war:
The mig25s in fighter variant got 14 kills to 1 loss.
Apparent 10 losses, 9 of them were only the recon variant
Only 2 of these (recon) were confirmed
nice, in certain scenarios the 25 was really good
And in the right hands, the MIG-25 can be as deadly in BVR engagement. It even shot down an F/A-18 during the gulf war.
Awesome Video i love the Mig 25 and 31 both of them are some of my favourite planes. once again Thanks for the awesome video keep up the good work.
thanks mate! well im kinda biased of any mig aircraft but the 25 for me is like top 4 only after the 21,29 and 23 haha cheers man!
I think if they add the MiG-25 they should add the earlier variants first and not skip to later variants since that’s the precedent set with most other jets (eg: adding the F4C before any others, the MiG-23M before the MLD, etc)
me too I would like to see at least 3 variants an early P variant without flares or PD and great missiles at a lower br and the PD or PDS variant at a higher br to face the tomcat, and an RBT variant to carry bombs and cool stuff like that!
@@matawg I think they are waiting for SEAD missiles to be added to the game for the MiG-25. That would give it something to do in ground RB other than just running around the map trying to drop bombs at Mach 3.
yeah but in a folder i dont want to have shit variants shoved down my pocket
@@phantom4E2 well they didn’t folder the two MiG-23 variants in the USSR tree or the German MiG-21’s as well as the two F4’s that come one after another or the two American F104’s so there isn’t really a precedent to do that
They won’t they just add a random ass version
Like they add the Horton but not the version that can carry guns pods or bombs like it was meant too
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My dad was a mig25rbt in iraq air force
He was bombing kharg island in 1987
the tomcat cant reach their ALT
If you using the mig25rbt (bomber variant)
It can have 15 fab500 bomb or 27 fab100 i think
you can bomb any target easily while the tomcat cant catch you
Even the phoenix
thats great man! the rbt is know to be able to put full afterburners and maintain its full power during the entire flight without even overheating over the desert of egypt
That’s mad mate your dad Must be a top gun 😂
@@chally2mbt12 hahahaha
Thats a fun joke right there
@@OSA_enjoyer do you think our Lord Benny sinker when he downed a mig 25 would care
people really hate the mig25 haha its funny to read the comments out here cheers for your father
2:40 I'm no Russian aviation expert I fancy myself with American aviation more but I've been trying to do some digging on the MIG-25. I already had background knowledge on the aircraft as it hasn't been the first time I've thought to do research on the aircraft although I must say I've never come across any valid articles, images, and/or representations of the Mig-25 ever having countermeasures. I have multiple ideas behind why this is, probably one of the biggest reasons is that not only are the engines large but they also are extremely hot meaning that even if they were to stick their largest flares as a viable countermeasure it would unlikely to any success. The second reason, though I probably should have mentioned this first, is that being so large of an aircraft such as the F-14 Tomcat it deals with the issue of being extremely easy to see on radar. I don't believe they thought chaff was a viable option knowing this as the aircraft is super large. Along with these two reasons I could also state that the MIG-25 role is partially to blame as well. Due to it being an interceptor its sole purpose would have been to get to the target in record time and shoot it down before it could do any harm. It's unlikely that they would have spent the time to attach countermeasures to an aircraft that would presumably at the time be faster than anything it would ever find itself facing. Also, the Mig-25's main role is to intercept a specific target, high-altitude bombers, and left it in a spot where it wouldn't necessarily be in danger or threatened so the need for countermeasures wasn't I think in their minds necessary and opted not to add them. But I could very well be wrong, like I said I'm no Russian aviation expert although I have a pretty good idea this might be the reason why if I am to assume there isn't any countermeasures on the MIG-25 as I haven't yet figured out where they would be located on the aircraft if they are there to begin with.
They had it was the same BVP pod that the mig MLD has, the thing is just like the F-4 is hard to find some pictures about it, tho u can still find it, its a matter of time, cause aicraft like the mig23 and f4 for example only received countermeasures in the late 70's like 1977 for example for the F-4's, and even later for some others. so most of the mig25's being P variants most of the photos that we have in the internet are early 70's P's, which means no countermeasures. By manual they could use them and they did. Even tho yes it was probably a problem with such a larger heat signature to defeat missiles with flares, but they added it anyway haha
@@matawg You're probably right XD, I haven't yet seen a photos but I don't disbelieve the Mig-25 could have very well had countermeasures although it is unlikely that it did anything for them lol.
In war thunder what is come after the mig 23 mld ➡️ mig 25
hopefully
I still don't get why people are saying that the best counter for the F-14 is the MiG-25
not the best, but a possible one. Specially when playing it alongside MLDs.
not the best, it is one of the counters possible without putting stuff with like 300+ climb rates and possibility of cobra pugachevs that will break the game, the 25PD together with the MLD will be enough to counter the f14 in dogfights and bvr
@@matawg well... Instead of putting a new plane why not giving the Mirage F1 his real nature.
The mirage F1 known as the tomcat killer was the first to be able to kill a tomcat with the first confirmed kill during the middle east war.
A total of 4 confirmed kill.
It's just sad that Gaijin folow the basic USA propaganda as (we do best) when in real life most of their aircraft was as bad as driving a bicycle for war. (hello F35 for example)
@@shanechambers9529 Do you talk about the plane easily hacked?
Cannot see but can be disabled easily... Soo can be seeing and down without firing? 😅
I see the Mig25 PD gameplay similar to F104S ASA equipped with the Aspides and AIM9L so without the gun
yep exactly
I think the MiG-31 is a better option to directly counter the F-14. The R-33s it carries are basically the same as the Phoenix.
Nice video mate. I would really love to see the Mig25 in game. Would purchase it for GE even ^^
thanks man, yeah me too, hopefully we will get it soon enough
I hope for premium frog foot! And more updated ones for tech tree!
@@Jager_Xx ohh man, Grach would be soo amazing. I hope they add it to the game soon!
Van a ponerlo en el war thunder?
hopefully yes but nothing in this patch
Yup. I agree. Mig-25 and Mig-31 with R-33 (AA-13 Amos) should be added. Doesn't have to be technically correct, just make it close-ish and itll be a good counter to the F-14. That'll balance it well.
Mig-29 is right out, but I have a feeling we'll eventually see F-16, F-15, Mig-29, Su-27, J-10A, etc... its ultimately about, can they sell it and make money.
Oh yes, the phoenix's tremendous range of 16km in-game. I've hit further shots with R-24T's. The F-14A cannot BVR at the moment due to its missiles being so scuffed.
Where is su25 and mig 29 )
I actually agree to your Video in every single way.
The more modern we look into the future we can see that Guns are been almost useless if you can have a Missile that can shoot them down before they can get whitin range.
The Mig-25 doesnt need a Gun to be efficient at killing aircraft in War Thunder.
Its missile are capable enough to deal whit any (Especially the F-14) aircraft in War Thunder.
It Trades the Turning time the F-14 and others have into High altittude speed that cant be touched.
The Mig-25s Reputation is also another reason to play it in War Thunder as I play the game only because of the History behind a Vehicle and the Mig-25 and Yak-141 are no exception as I await for them to be added soon or later.
yep, doesn't matter if it is meta or not it should be ingame, and I still think the mig29 might be a little op for now so a mig25 would fit the game but anyway I'm starting to doubt that it will be added just because of the negative myths it had irl.
@@matawg It having no guns and only missile combined whit a high altitude top speed encourages to play a different meta then dogfight fur ball we currently have.
Beside it can be added as to how much people argue whit me telling me its bad and the worst plane that made the west believe its bad.
Wait till I use it as it was designed and built for high altitude interception.
It will get added same as Yak-141 (reason why Yak-38 was removed from market?)
mig 29 will not be added any time soon, its performance is more on par with something like an f15 and would Beyond exceed what the f14 a is capable of
yep agreed, and even tho the 25 is not a direct counterpart I think it would make snese to have the pair MLD + 25 now
Totally agree. Mig25 would be a good add right now. F14 will be better but mig25 will have its playstyle and would do decent at current top tier
yeah the f14 would be better at the all around normal fighter things, but the 25 would have its advantages
i dont want any more planes if we cant go faster than 1400kmh, i want mach 2 in game
what do you mean? mach 2 is already ingame, there is no aircraft irl that can go mach 2 at low altitudes, the max speed is always from 1100-1400 max at sea level
You know it only can carry 2 missls and has no gun and also has Not many flares
It have 2 pylons on each wing mate, it means 4 missiles
4 missiles that are just as good as the aim7F or even better its fine more than that it would be op. the F4J and f104asa are perfectly fine if u use them without guns so 4 R40 missiles or 2 + 4 r60m's would be enough
While the mig 25 sounds great, its just... incapable of reaching high speeds at low heights. It is capable of reaching mach 3+ at like ten thousand meters in the sky, which is pointless, as the only way to use the plane at it's maximum speed would be to climb to the moon and then descend above your target rapidly. This MAY work, but the plane would tear itself apart as the durability of the aircraft was beyond questionable, and damage would begin to appear quickly once you start your descend. While i love the idea of the mig 25 (essentially a glass cannon) it just wouldnt work. Like at all. By the way, the maneuverability would be negligable since if you retained your speed, nothing would be able to catch you during your 'escape'.
by manual it could reach 1445kph at sea level, so idk what u are talking about haha, not only that the acceleration will be better than most of the aircraft ingame, with an radar that is better than most with PD and with missiles that are better than aim7F's and R24's, so nah its going to be very good, maybe not everybody's cup of tea but still great
@@matawg if you are correct, i am glad to be wrong. I love the concept of the mig 25 in warthunder, as just the massive speed and acceleration could be extremely fun to experiment with
I hope the next update to see mig 25 or mig29
And some F-16 love
Admin, Personally I cheer MiG-31 more MiG-25 because MiG-31 no lack cannon with 23 mm Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23-6M & BVR R-33 ARH missiles
mig31 shares more characteristics with f14 imo, mig31 could carry 4 long range missles and 4 short range missles with better maneuverability than a mig25, maybe it's will be a good counterpart of f14
I still think the 31 would be too much, russia alrready has the MLD the 25 would just step up the game in the bvr departament to help the MLD counter the f14!
@@matawg MiG-31B is good early variant early new 4th gen aircraft for USSR tech tree, Vympel R-33S on MiG-31 nod bad BVR long-range ARH missile, G overload 24G maneuverability better AIM-54 Phoenix
If top gun maverick didn’t exist gaijin would have probably added it(or something better) to complement the update as they usually do with new eras(like F4c/21.f13 or f100/mig19), they’re most likely intentionally not adding a “counter” so people want to play it after watching the movies and bring more focus to its addition. It’s a shame because the other Jets this patch are pretty boring.
Well yeah kinda, but they did the same thing with the mld… so idk I think it’s just gaijin adding planes with no counter
@@GrundleLongDong you do have a point, and they did break the game with the MF and SMT, but we’re talking about adding an entire new generation of aircraft here. the MLD and SMT/MF were added well after the base versions, and didn’t add any major new systems to the game unlike what we are seeing with the F14 having both TWS and SARH missiles,
@@peanutraider8654 well technically they should’ve added new systems seen as both the mld and viggen have tws irl as well as multi lock. And they should be getting those features soon, the mld also introduced irst to the game which broke it for a while allowing bvr kills with no rwr ping, the mld also had vastly greater performance than anything else similar to this
Ofc this shouldn’t be the case, but the fact is this isn’t a new phenomenon
The ariete will counter all lol
:D Nice video, also do u think the A10 is the best US tech tree grinder rn? If not, tell me otherwise i'm really desperate
It's not, super slow and most of the time it's an easy kill
F-5C is still the king of grinding the US tree. A-10 will be the best if they ever fix the meta for attackers.
Best plane for grinding ez 1v8
@@yoamal1187 So F5C or A10A?
@@quality9299 None, just grind normally. It's gonna take time but who cares, it's just a game
I say it WILL be here on this patch ……. Along with the F-111
Yep Mig-25 is comparable with the F111
LMAO no. They won't introduce an aircrwft this advanced and not mention it
@@TikiShootah i know but the F111 Is comparable to the MIG25 more than F14
Neither the MiG-25 or the MiG-31 are combat effective aircraft. Their engines overheat too quickly for them to keep up a good high airspeed, their radar signature is the size of a building, and their turning radii are the size of Texas.
overheating? those are myths a lot of soviet pilots flew many flights over egypt a lot of times full afterburner during the entire flight to get away from israeli F4's, they didnt overheat. wikipedia is not the greatest source for this type of thing , and the turning ratio of any aircraft flying mach 2+ is huge mate haha at lower speed its almost the same as an F4
Mate, that's literally what they were known for. You can't claim "myth" when their own pilots downtalk the aircraft.
@@bigtony4930 Why even claim anything related to history, if we are dealing with War Thunder?
Does your Tiger tank break down all the time, like it did irl?
Oh and can you tell me how good the Kronshtadt was, as it was never even finished?
War Thunder is a representation, but not a historically correct one.
Sources? Also who are these 'pilots'?
People need to realize that the mig 25 is not really a great plane as its heavy and lacks a look down radar and the mig 29 would br good but I personally think that the su 27 flanker and mig 31 foxhound would make better choices.
29, su27 and mig31 will completely Destroy everything ingame rn, they have two options to solve that putting the 25 and tornados to be the late 70's counters to the f14 (not that they are counters to each other, its just that they would help) or add the 29 for example but adding something along the lines of an f16A or something like that to balance
All new fightirs Should be 12.0
War thunder need alot of fightirs
Mig-25 need to be tier like f-4, a-4... counter for f-14 is mig-31 ;)(mig-25 is older plane than mig-23, same like mig-31 is older than mig-29)
People speak how bad is...but Mig-25 have best kill -lose ration from all mig family...not many mig-25 lost during air to air cmbt.
mig25PD is from the same time as the mig23MLA :) it should come as a "counter" to the F14 cause the mig31 would just stomp it in BVR
@@matawg Mig-25P is from era F-4 same like Mig-23. They was answer to F-4. Mig-21Bis is also from same time when MLA(what you see is something midle age upgrade). later variant Mig-25PD have better radar and r-60 missiles(4 instend 2 r-40 infrared), some wariants was use bombs and antiradar missiles. f-15 was answer to mig-25, navy rejected f-15 and choose own design. F-14 was answer to mig-25 and to nuclear bombers. Not oposite. Also Mig-31 can do everything like MIg-25 and better(he use all weapons from Mig-25 + 4 more missiles with Long range, better radar, have cannon + R-73...) I wanna see both planes if you ask me. But Mig-25 can fight only lower tier where he belong in time he was start to fly with. Mostly problem with f-14 is because he don't belong to this current rang...is not problem where to put mig-25. F-14 is replace f-4.they need to make new rank where they gonna put mig-29,su-27, f-15,f-16, f-14, jas-39, mirage 2000 etc
Add it !!!
They are nerfing the shit outta the F14 radar currentl;y
Only the MiG 25 was stated to be a complete joke, with only later variants having a radar equal to the 4Js, which still won't stack up against a Tomcat. I think the MLD is the closest you can get in terms of WVR and BVR, other then the MiG 31. MiG 31 would make more sense as it has access to a gun, better radar, and better missiles.
I mean I personally would like to understand why people HATE the 25 so much? yes it doesnt have a gun, but that never stopped navy phantom pilots to say that i was better because of many reasons including maneuverability, yes the max g for safety was 4.5g but it managed to get to 11g like any other jet its not like the US didnt have this very low (compared to wt) g limits as well, the radar was not bad remember that by the time the f4e was entering in production the 25 was already flying and breaking records the P radar was very good for the time and for the 70's, PD having a much needed upgrade until the mig31 entered in service. yes I think the 31 is the best option obviously but the 25 was not by any means bad, and aircraft doesnt have to turn 16g's to be good. each aircraft ever built by human kind has a purpose and for its the 25 was the best out there until stuff like the f14 and mig31 came. it was the best of its kind and is kinda weird that people have this opinion mostly because the US intelligent thought that it was a super fighter that it wasnt. cheers man! give the 25 a chance haha
@@matawg bc the MiG 25 in real life wasn't good. It was hated by the pilots that flew them. The aircraft itself was extremely unreliable. It was meant purely for intercepting bombers and the SR-71. In A2A combat it lacked. On the deck, where most combat in WT takes place, it only hits mach 0.9 due to the engine tuning. It would play like a worse F-104, which already isn't very good. Even the late MiG25PD and PDS had worse avionics then that of the Tomcat. I don't hate the MiG 25, I just realize, like most others, the plane had more faults then pros.
@@matawg Also coming from a place of experience. I own most top tier aircraft, and have flown the ones I don't own, except for the J-8 and the Mirage F1C, which would be the two I don't own, and haven't flown. In my experience the 104SASA relies heavily on headons, and I noticed doing worse without the gun. A gun at top tier, gives you options incase your missiles miss, which they will as CMs and notching are common place at top tier. It'd be another 400k rp and 1m SL that I don't want to grind out, just to be a stepping stone to the MiG 29 and 31. They could still at the 25 into the game as an event or premium to either Russia or Germany, but it just wouldn't make a good TT vehicle.
but for that it was not bad, thats what im saying, its like saying that the a10 is a really bad aircraft because it was bad at BVR, well it was never meant to do that. the double standard here is clear, the mig25 was not bad and btw it was possible to fly until a recorded 1440km/h in the deck with it. they didnt go faster because of fear of breaking it. most of the things are myths or weird wikipedia made facts. like 90% of the things we see in the internet to be fair haha. and unreliable? for the sources that I have is the absolute contrary. it was an amazing aircraft made to do one very specific thing. over 1100 built. the soviets (the same people sending gagarin to space a few years before the mig25) werent going to built something if they thought it was bad. cheers man !
@@spray916 again it’s not built to be a fighter it’s built to sit really high up and lob missiles down
The F14A already got nerfed into the ground so
what you mean?
@@matawg he’s over exaggerating but the radar got nerfed so it behaves more realistically.
Basically the f14A radar irl is great at detecting fast moving objects as well as objects moving at a medium pace, however it was very poor at detecting slow moving objects, so headon it’ll be great, however you won’t be able to lock a slow moving aircraft nor an aircraft flying away from you. The radar was also made to be much more susceptible to notching meaning it’s much easier to break the lock
@@matawg I should also add a lot of the other TT vehicles got their radars buffed also which has closed the gap between the f14 and the others a decent bit
MIG-25 is so bad. At sea level, it can only hit 1150km/h.
thats a myth, in real life it managed 1440km/h at least, they didnt go beyond that because there was no reason to risk it
F-14 fan boys are going to be shocked at how F-14 did not live up to the hype in real life. It was tested by multiple nations against a bunch of different fighters. It was only picked up by the Shah of Iran via an very underhanded deal to save it from being scrapped sooner than it was.
Garbage plane like mig-23 is flying ufo in the game, why would plane like F-14 perform bad in the game, in real life it is such a good dog fighter, unless you Russian mains want to have another wet dream with F-14 nerf, like you always having with poor Russian plane like MIG-19 to MIG-23, for some weird reason they are dog fighter in the game, while in real life they are intercepter with poor maneuverability, most of them have extremely bad rear visibility lime MIG-21 and MIG-23!!
Fattest cope I've seen so far
Except the f14 was good irl lmfao.... If it was bad the navy would have retired it much earlier. If you want to be "shocked" then you should see how shit Russian planes were at the time. The mig 23 was absolutely horse shit until the mld. Oh and the F14 was literally in service with the navy for almost 30 years until it was replaced by the F18. Stay mad that American planes have been better than Russian shit since then. Russian doesn't even have aesa yet lmao.
@@alexpaul1665 Ok so you know something every military that evaluated the F-14 didn’t I guess?