I know people will jump in here and complain about the grind and say that air rb is more efficient - if you do then you do not get the point of this video. I do not care about the grind. I play to just experience some fun and War Thunder air sim has some unique things that the other games do not. I just play the same 2-3 planes I have and I don't really care about unlocking other planes. I just play to play. I hope that some people who have WT who never play air sim, feel like they can try it and experience something new. Enjoy!
I grind just to get the F-4E Phantom. Been playing SB with it for some time. I just dont care of grinding further. I have fun flying F-4E in Enduring Confrontation BR 10.0 - 10.7.
Biggest problem with Air Sim is that it has absurd repair costs matched with rewards based in intervals which are hard to offset without premium planes. One time i wanted to have bit fun in tier 5 lost 250k SL in one game (i had 3 kd) preventing me from playing since i couldnt spawn any more.
@@engineer1941 There has been a massive nerf to repair costs, and buff to SL rewards some time at the start of this year apparently. I'm currently at Tier 4 props and each spawn is just 10k in cost. I earn that back just by getting barely anything done; one air kill is enough to turn a profit per life during my stock grind through the tech tree, and that is before even calculating in premium time.
As DCS player I have to admint that as life goes to having less and less time with carrier/family I am now more often on WT than DCS as it offers much more for the 30-60min free time slots in the evenings. I no longer fight control scheme, no longer fight performance issues of DCS or lua scripting and if you know energy fighting concepts, you can actually dominate majority of WT sim games. I play exclusivelly VR and sim mode and the key to happiness is to ignore the grind because by there is actually more fun in props and early jets as these ranks offer the most skill based fights, top tier with all aspect and radar missiles is only about positioning and catching people off guard and is generally much less skill based.
To me WT sim is a nice casual game to unwind after work. It has less fidelity than IL2 and DCS but it gets the general idea of air combat across. I think WT Sim has a lot of potential filling the sim-lite niche but it’s not a popular mode so I doubt the snail will develop it.
It's not popular because they make wrong decisions and make it worse and also make economy worse And the entire Enduring Confrontation mode... including Heli Battles EC Are developed by a single guy and he's a NAVAL MAIN who apparently hates Cold War tech lol
@@Enigma89 I would like to believe that you could help us--the diehard WT sim community--by continuing to shed light on the mode... Coming from IL2 & DCS, I do believe it could become something very special if it were only given a little more love...
@@KeepZeeZ Agreed, I think people really miss out on what WT has to offer by not playing sim. The flight models are great and do not have the limitations of realistic battles or arcade. With a competent team sim can be a blast
on the flares being too strong part, its because the game actually models the heat flares produce and how it dissipates in the air based on the atmosphere shit, in DCS its just a esoteric RNG Dice roll based on the number of flares/chaff dispensed and the velocity etc etc
>get in Mitsubishi T-2 >argue with the ground crew for ten minutes on why I need a singular rocket pod equipped on the right wing >morbidly traumatize the trainer in the back by pulling 13G’s in a dogfight >missile launch >cut burner and extend flaps >do a maneuver that reduces the lifespan of the aircraft by 50% >realize rockets don’t fire over mach 1 >die got a gf and haven’t played warthunder sim in almost a year, addicted to japanese trains now
The nice thing about War Thunder is you don't have to worry about remembering controls for 20 different planes. The gigantic selection of aircraft also makes sim fun, because you never know what you're going to run into
WT's systems are surprisingly sophisticated. You mentioned radar, but missile seekers (and countermeasures, and counter-countermeasures) are also intricately modeled with no RNG. The values of the simulated parameters aren't super realistic (hence why I said 'sophisticated' instead), so you have things like especially effective flares and chaff and exaggerated multi-pathing for radar missiles, but it can be a satisfying experience regardless of all that and the simplistic flight models
Some people are asking if I was paid for this video. I was **NOT** paid for this video. I am a WT CC partner but this happened after I made this video. I had already made this video, I typically try to keep 4-8 weeks of content in a bank as a back up for when I get busy. The recent stuff with Razbam has made me want to diversify my risk a bit, for the sake of the channel so I asked them to become a CC partner. I was already playing more WT because I have been so busy with work. May as well get the Snail's blessing if I am playing their game more.
when the day comes, and it will, that WT SIM goes deeper, the air for DCS will become ever tighter. WT sim with GCI/AWACS, VOIP etc... WT has the potential, the technology and the resources.
As a VR/sim player of WT (but not exclusive) I have to agree here. Just ignore the grind people, the most fun is anyway in the low-mid tier fights, the moment you reach all-aspect IR missilles and radar missilles it is anyway becomming much less skill based (as low tier is pure energy fighting focused) and only based on possitioning and catching people off-guard to fire a missile at them. So ignore the grind, you will have a lot of good fun just playing props and it will teach you things that DCS didn't managed to teach me in a decade (the energy fighting I mean). Also the top tier systems modelling is weird, WT devs don't really want to model the more modern planes instruments properly so in VR I am stuck with a holographics radar hud on my left. So a bit immersion breaking, but props and early jets dont have this immersion breaker.
Quick heads up, the radar and rwr virtual display can be disabled in the settings, I usually disable them when I'm flying the Su27 or the F15 because they are already present within the MFDs of the aircrafts
@@alessandromenegollo7957 Oh, thanks! Didn't know that. I hope that RWR and Radar are two separate settings because on F4 Phantom/Mirage2000 (the highest BR I play as above that I do not like the gameplay) these planes do not really have RWR display in cockpit modeled. So I just need to disable the radar.
@@BlackbirdDrozd They are indeed two separate settings, you can find them as "Use radar HUD in cockpit" and "Use RWR HUD in cockpit" both under options->air battle settings, glad i was of help!
2:30 also does much better job with IR missiles modeling as well compared to DCS. The amount of suddle differences between different IR missile models is just insane and the heat signature and flares popping affecting them is modeled in excelent and transparent way(thanks to recent replay mode that shows seeker tracking and why particular flare worked vs not worked in confusing the IR missile seeker).
i love ground striking in sim, not for the grind (I've finished the trees i play the most) but simply because i enjoy it. Despite the small amount of players its one of the only modes to have specific objectives for each kind of player. Ex. destroying convoys, attacks, recon ai, trike ai, intercepting other players, striking specific parts of enemy airfields to alter how they function, and attacking carriers to remove it as a take off point all together. and that is what keeps me playing .air rb is the same thing constantly, but you have options in air sim and i wish more people played it to give it the attention it deserves
I duno what to say, I had fun and i am finding myself wanting to dabble in it occasionally. I just have been too busy with work to play longer formats. WT does offer something the other games don't.
Once I got into Air SIM in warthunder, I frankly can't go back to the other game modes, it's just more rewarding and you can be a dedicated ground pounder and actually HAVE FUN
I really do love DCS, but war thunder is my go to TBH, usually I get home from work and I put on my VR and jump into SIM for a few hours, Right now i am Flying the F-4 and I have been having a blast. I know SIM mode isnt "efficient" for the grind, but most of my trees were unlocked because of the fun I have in it. Thank you for covering this!
I’ve been playing war thunder sim for 3-4 years, and I can tell you that Cold War WT sim is insanely fun. The variety of jets you can find and all their quirks and strengths come together in such an amazing way. Tons of “sleeper” aircrafts that people don’t usually run such as the British Phantoms with RR spey turbofan engines can become true dogfight monsters in the hands of the right people. It’s so much fun to engage in 3-4 people fur balls of MiG-21’s, Phantoms and Mirages. And don’t even get me started on the amount of toxic banter that can go on in the chat, it’s just glorious. I enjoy top tier quite a lot aswell and that’s what I mostly play, but I always come back for some Mirage F1, MiG-23 and F4 every once in a while
WT Flight models are usually decent to pretty good across the board, and anything out of place gets bug reported until its fixed (unless the documents are restricted, like the SU-27 bleed rate). Another thing is that countermeasures are very accurate, down to the rise time of flares, along with accurately modeled seeker behavior it makes flaring IRCCM missiles a skill instead of a random RNG diceroll like in DCS.
I have to say the MiG-21S is genuinely one of my favorites for Sim. Its great and I love the power the engine gives out, really lets you stand on your tail in a lot of situations other planes wouldnt let you.
Another cool thing about the mig21s is that you can turn the night vision off on the camera and it has a nice zoom on it which can help with target identification
I really feel that greatest thing WT or other sims offer is a streamlined approach to game modes, match making, scenarios etc. I really want to just get in and do a thing, a focused thing, that my whole team is doing. Sometimes a packed DCS server feels like 50 people all playing separate games where some other players just happen to render on their map. I've been playing a lot of VTOL VR lately and was surprised to find that other players communicate and coordinate at vastly higher rates than I've ever seen in public DCS and I think this is mostly due to the nature of the missions available. It's very easy to know what your role is, what your objective is, who else is going to be doing that and what others are doing. That was a long winded way to say, yeah, it's funny how a scoreboard and a currency grind (or an easily accessible objective list in VTOL VR) can actually make a game better when it promotes objective play and teamwork. WT Sim is a great time.
I started playing WT arb & sim in December after watching a bullet4myenemy video where he said he got good at dogfighting in WT. I sucked at dogfighting in ECW so I tried it out. I also wanted to fly the Mig 23 before we got it in DCS (which we probably never will now). I'm now completely addicted to WT and havent even touched DCS in 6 months.
I'd bounced on and off WT air AB and air RB on a few occasions. Recently though I had a change in mindset since getting my VKB Gunfighter and a center stick mounting solution: just VR Sim Battles. Oh boy has it kind of been a blast jumping into japanese planes and turning and burning. Even if progress is slower than getting good at gaming air RB, even just one Enduring Confrontation session after work nets me a couple of good fights that leaves me satisfied. or dive bombing destroyers with 800kg bombs, that's neat too.
Someone in my discord pointed this video out to me. Just going to leave a comment as I mainly play War Thunder Sim. As far as the DCS comparisons go...War Thunder does the whole "being a game" thing a lot better than DCS while DCS does the pilotage and in the cockpit experience better. Generally speaking, I think the standard of gameplay in War Thunder might be a little better across the board just due to not having as long of a learning curve to get the basics down. I don't have to manage systems as aggressively in War Thunder and I can focus more on nuances of dogfighting, situational awareness, etc...and it is also likely that the guy I am fighting is at least further along in that learning curve. On the other hand War Thunder sim has all of its own problems. The way that BR ranges work in sim is that there is always something that is best for the daily bracket...and players will gravitate towards that. Also there is a pretty stark range of BRs that are occupied by grinders and very small games where getting into a fight takes awhile...and the opposition is not all that interesting. It takes awhile to understand how the sim community thinks to actually find the games where active players gravitate to. As far as flight models go...from what I have observed and tested...Gaijin does make an honest attempt at modeling things accurately. Just recently the Mirage 2000 has gone through a bunch of changes to try to get the plane to more closely match its EM diagram...but because accurate modeling of aircraft is hard...nothing ever matches up 100%. In general I would describe WT flight models as being more consistent across the board in DCS insofar if something is inaccurate...it is consistently inaccurate across multiple flight models.
The only thing I dont like about WT air sim is that there is no GCI/AWACS that makes getting ambushed really frustrating sometimes, but other than that I had waaay more good fights in WT than in DCS and the downtime between deaths is also not very big which is nice if you just want to do some fighting.
@@biggie10101 eh DCS is also just a game just slightly more realistc. Dogfighting works the same in both. I spend hundreds of hours in both games and fights in WT are simply more fun and interactive. I might get more kills in DCS but slinging a missile at an unaware player or flares just simpy not working is just not as much fun as a dogfight in WT where this happens way less.
The problem is that you can't just start in the Cold War era. You have to grind your way up to those planes, which takes absolutely forever. If you could just have access to any aircraft you'd like to fly, the game would be so much better.
@@SkyDawg91Yeah $70 dollars for a pixel plane that's not modelled like DCS module is outrageous. I wish Gaijin would just pull the band aid and split the game into Cold War half and a WW2 half, like how World of Tanks on console does it.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 And what about modern jets which is the appeal to most players and gives them the most money? stupid comment even though I hate Gaijin
@@SATORI_111 The "modern" jets are Cold War aircraft dum dum. The F-15, F-16, and F-14 are from the 70s. The F/A-18, Su-27 and MiG-29 are from the 80s. Even the F-22 is a product of a Cold War era program meant to replace the F-15. As for more modern planes than those, the Cold War is sometimes argued to have never ended. At the very least, we're in a second Cold War now, so the name can still apply to newer jets when we get them.
I personally love war thunder air sim as well as DCS. As you’ve mentioned numerous times in previous videos, the full Fidelity nature of many DCS modules means they’re much more complicated to learn in war thunder the far more simplistic approach to modeling aircraft allows for a huge variety from pre wwii all the way to almost modern aircraft. This enables so much variety in flight styles. But one thing that I personally love about war thunder is the numerous models of the same airframe, for example the sheer number of MIG 21s in the game with huge different capability levels.
All your points about the variety of airframes are spot on, it can sometimes give a choice paralysis vibe where you can just sit in the hangar and get overwhelmed deciding which nation to play, factoring in whether the top BR is 11.3 or 11.7 (i don't play any higher now fox3s are in). Maps like Winter Stalingrad, Zhengzhou and Tunisia are great for the interception bomber-hunting gameplay loop, to the point that it can turn into a tower defense game firing fox1s at all the zombers trying to exploit the points earned by mighty mouse rockets.
I have a lot of fun in Air Sim using the British F-4s and Harriers. Especially the Harrier II and its BR bracket, you get some really cool fights against F-4s, Mig-23s, MiG-21s, and it's accessible to me even without head tracking or a HOTAS.
Ive been playing the shit out of WTSim for the last year. Unlocked USA, USSR and Germany up to 10.0 jets. It runs so much better than DCS in VR.. Hoggit likes to shit on it.. but i doubt anyone plays it. Also, if you dont know, you can choose what room you play in to make sure you're in a populated lobby
You should be able to set IAS (Altitude Compensated air speed) in the HUD settings. It'll make it much easier than relying on speed measured in relation to the ground. Another thing is that Flaps in WT can be really weird. I would almost never advise you use your Flaps in a rate fight. It will almost always result in a worse rate-fight performance.
5:35 One little piece of advice for the MiG-21's in WarThunder, don't drop takeoff flaps in dogfights, it doesn't help you turn any better, just makes you bleed more speed.
Being a little bored of the units I like to fly in DCS, I went for Falcon BMS, and then for War Thunder Simulation Battles and I am having a lot of fun, grinding units like the Mirages the Kfir, Hunter, F-8, F-15A, F-16A. I have even lost all shame happily Giving them my money for Premium accounts and other units. But yeah I would prefer spending mu money on units like those if they were available on DCS
The later jets arent as much fun imo just because map size and radar being so good leads to more 3rd partying/point click missle fights, but the early super sonic planes are very fun to play in sim. The variety of aircraft you play and fight and strategies that you have to use to do so really makes it interesting. Some planes have good radar, some have none at all. Some are fast, some have missles ect. Glad to see people recommending it because it does suffer from a shortage of players at times, but other times there is to many (especailly during events like right now). I think they need to imtroduce bigger maps or cap the teams at 10v10 instead of the current 16v16 for the more modern jets, for earlier jets and props team and map sizes work well. Good video!
I can't tell if I should be mad or happy. I watched this video a few months back and nodded in a faint interest. I had played War Thunder since 2013 but dropped it around a year ago for my own mental health. Well the bug came back last week and I said... let's try sim. Bound up my PS5 controller and sent it. Sure enough, Cold War Sim is super charming. You just fly. It's less about the grind and more just enjoying the journey with your aircraft. It's been really refreshing and I hadn't expected it. Dogfights are rare but intense. Most often, you can actually sneak around to get what you need done. Aircraft that normally don't perform in RB are suddenly shining in this mode. I find my radar to be a god send for IFF. Also I'm not just using pulse doppler if the aircraft has it. It becomes your eyes, and seeing is important. Finally, I was always really good with leading targets in air RB for some wild snap shots. I find that, with actual cockpit visibility to account for, getting on your opponent's tail is far more important now. The mirage f1c has been a standout for myself. It's honestly charming as it shines just enough in most categories to find ways to dominate a fight at the BR. Your radar can see quite well. Two magic 2s on the wingtips keeps you safe. Two 530Fs to use that radar. Good manueverability that will punish anyone who bleeds speed too fast. It's a blast. Honorable mention to the J7E. It's a turning monster that can fully deflect the elevator and keep a consistent turn. But, without 3rd person mouse controls, it is very apparent why most MiGs switched to the Gsh-2-23 rather than the ol 30mms. 60 rounds is rough.
I play air sim on m&k and I play air rb in first person I love warthunder been apart of it for a while I can’t play dcs cause I don’t have a joystick and I don’t have a strong enough CPU but getting a kill with a 29smt against a f15 who is using a stick while I was performing a cobra is the best feeling ever
cold war era is the best br range currently due to the limited weapon and sensor performance. The Difference radar makes is cool too. Planes without countermeasures become viable again due not really needing them as most deaths are due to sneak attacks.
i got into aircraft combat simulators because of War Thunder. Abandoned WT because Gaijin's dogshit business model, to learn DCS. Now ED is trying their hardest to make me switch back to War Thunder.......
One of my best fights was first gen Mig-21 Fish bed Vs F4-II. The first gen mig is little under powered but it so much lighter other jets it can do some crazy stuff even with its limited weapons. We got into a nice rate fight and I won. In really hope this game mode gets some love!
Finally, someone gets it. I always have gotten shit for playing sim, especially at the cold war brs (8.0-11.0~) because everyone thinks it's just e8ther props or top tier.
Air sim is great fun but it has things that need some changes like the introduction of more enemy AI convoys, air patrols/ strikes missions, and AWACS. It gets pretty empty as the match goes on sadly. Another issue is the way they balance teams. RedFor gets France, Japan, Gemrany, and sweden at times which leads to a lot of instances where you're facing off against Phantoms, mirages, F5s, and F104s which gets very confusing, especially if you have some on your team which you always will. There's also the matter of not being able to use MFDs inside the cockpit which ruins immersion for those of us that really want to play sim more seriously for fun without having to learn all of DCS
Helicopters are also extremely slept on in simulator sadly, they're in in air sim, only ground sim which is a bit chaotic because you're having to defend against SAMs and also tank main rounds because of how easy it is to shoot down helicopters with mouse aim
If only their business model was less atrocious.... and worked a bit on their flight models too, but the first one is more important IMO, aside from that i actually like what they did with the damage modeling and seeker implementation
The thing that really peeves me when it comes to sim in this game is all the planes that share tech trees of nations that verse each other constantly. It's annoying for target I.D. and you end up with less dissimilar air combat.
@@Enigma89 I had a random thought about a potential solution; What if each vehicle had an individual 'allignment' that you could then assign to a special inter-national lineup for sim and possibly other gamemodes requiring multiple vehicles like the ground battles? E.g. Axis and Allies for interwar and WW2, East and West for cold war and today. This would also allow for some more interesting lineups, and possibly even encourage people to experiment with the more obscure trees to diversify their lineups. Opening up lineups like that might be a nightmare for balance though. And it wouldn't counteract things like the premium beutewaffen. Just a thought I guess.
For me, dcs and wt fit different roles. Dcs is a more serious stuff, where you dedicate the whole evening to play the game and make other plans around that. Wt is when you have an hour or two and feel like getting in a cockpit. Or if I'm tired and want to just fly without using my brain
When i look at my DCS friends list in steam, i see a lot playing WT. It is the game everybody spit on but everyone plays secretly. 😂 In reality, it is a great game and the haters from the DCS community are just plain ridiculous.
Yes, we need more people playing sim in war thunder, and the key to stay sane while playing wt is to ignore the grind, just grind to whatever plane you want then just enjoy, don't mind the top tier, it sucks
I'm a warthunder player I used to.only to the "realistic battles" mode kinda a half way point between arcade and sim, after watching alot of your dcs vids and other channels I wanted to get into sim like combat but never had the funding or time to learn dcs so I started playing sim mode in WT and have never looked back I'm happy to see you show off this mode 😀 mabye I'll catch you in a lobby sometime I hope to see more of this on your channel in the future.
war thunder for me is a pretty cool game, i gave it up though because i got bored after i unlocked the 4th F4U Corsair that was only slightly different from the previous ones… but i may hop on again in the future
Man you gotta try this in VR, its looks and runs so good xD And getting those snapshots is a lot easier (and crashing into the ground a lot scarier lol)
Some people play games for a combination of fighting and then getting the satisfaction of the runway appearing in front of you as you line up your course select needle with your tacan or whatever nav ur using.
I mostly play too tier air sim but lately I’ve been playing 10.3-11.3 (Mirage F1C, MiG 21Bis, F5E). It’s a good balance of tech but you can get some really good dogfights too. I’d like your opinion on top tier air sim from an “outside” perspective. WT’s sim community is fairly small and Gaijin neglects sim like it’s a plague. Currently in top tier air sim the matchmaking is extremely unbalanced due to ghost lobbies (where a player joins and leaves while the match is going and when he leaves his name is still on the leaderboard which counts as a player on the team and it allows the opposing team to stack) causing 1 team to outnumber the other. Right now the blue team (US mostly) out numbers the red team (Russia, China) because yes the NATO based planes are more popular and the Aim-9M spam just further adds the incentive to play the planes with those missiles because right now they have no smoke and if you know you know…
Just tried WT for the 1st time, quite complicated system for someone used to IL-2 and others. From what I see, it's going to cost a LOT of money to be able to fly in any of the Dynamic Campaigns, or even the single missions (in Full realism/Sim mode). For someone new, choosing a single mission that required I buy the "CR.42". i'm lost. Went to Online Store, search shows nada.. but I did see you can spend hundreds of dollars on others!
WT is decent, but the grind is just ridiculous, and I gave up on it years back, I just play what I have now and again, and have no interest in grinding further. The economy non premium means that unless you are a good player you will be forever broke.
Honestly agree in a way. I like DCS for its modern aircraft. FF modules are awesome for modern jets that benefit from it (say the F/A 18 is amazing to play in DCS) BUT anything before is I think overpriced as FF modules. For that WT is a nice break.
@RW-zn8vy true that. The WSO has his own mini game in the back seat, somewhat same applies to the Tomcat. Different folks, different strokes, though. I am still saying that some of the analogue aircraft are a little bit overpriced / overcomplicated for many. I can still see some hard-core fan of a plane to appreciate the FF model of an older aircraft. There is a reason why I am eyeing on the Mosquito, the Sabre or the Mig-15; and the Mig-21. But many of the older aircraft dont really benefit that much from being FF in DCS, or might be holding players back, for them, War Thunder might be a good pick. I like the quick combat aspect of War Thunder for times when I dont have too much time at my disposal. In DCS things take time, Im not saying this negatively though. Thats the thing I like in DCS. Byt I dont always have 1+ hour available hehe.
Compare spotting between DCS and WT. Im enjoying dogfighting a lot in WT sim. In DCS cant see sheep away from quarter mile away. And nobody fixing it for 15 years.
I still stand by that WT air sim (and just air sim) would be in a much healthier space and have little effect on the rest of the war thunder 'economy' if they entirely disconnected it from the free to play model and just let sim players outright buy access to it and every air vehicle as a stand alone package (either as a separate game, or in the current game) The truth is the crossover of sim and RB/AB players is a lot smaller in air battles then in other modes, beyond times people were abusing sim for grind (when bomber pilots use to gunship in sim to make easy lions/eagles) the actual current player base are quite far apart. So you wont lose any substantial amount currently in the grind if you offered them every plane and upgrade but only in sim and I think there is a further player base out there for a 'DCS lite' they just dont want to be forced into some awful grind model. We saw this with IL2 BOS. When it originally launched they stuck in little grind bars for every plane to unlock camos and loadouts and the player base revolted. They ended up making bank of it by basically charging more for players to just skip it by buying the premium edition, but they stopped doing it for all later versions. Ground forces has always been different, the difference between sim and RB ground forces is a lot more nuanced and since its inception the two modes have functionally competed over the same player base (it's why ground forces never got a enduring confrontation for it's sim mode like air did) so no chance in hell they'd ever offer the same deal for sim ground. Perhaps this is functionally what the upcoming VR focused War Thunder spin off will become (Aces of Thunder). If they are smart they would try to avoid putting a grind in that title and make it a sort of middle point between VTOL VR and DCS/IL2 . Though at the moment from what I've read it's very ww2 focused atm and also a ps5 vr exclusive title, I suspect it wont be for long, and that someone in Gaijin is trying to get it to work with the meta quest 2/3.
i play the tomcat in sim, its alright but when uptiered it has no chance, sim itsself is alright but can be frustrating if the br bracket isnt in your favour
Fucking cold war. Get in the trenches man, and meet me in WW2 sim. Been rolling in that shit for years. You'd still blow the brakes off of me, but still, WW2 sim is where its at. That shit takes some skill... thats why I only stick to bombers and attackers...
Why are you using flaps when you are diving, which effectivelly brakes your speed/energy gain from the descent the most, and don't use them at the top of the loop when the flaps can give the biggest increase in turn rate for the lowest energy loss penalty (because you are already slowest). In my oppinion you should do the opposite and just try to make the bottom curve more shallow to not hit the ground. I usually do the opposite and then have guns on target on descent much faster.
Typically I do this when I do not care for speed. I do not know what the corner speeds are all in the jets in WT so I was really just going for nose position.
If they would put some effort into improving it, it could be something special. They’re sitting on a gold mine but refuse to add anything interesting to sim.
What are your camera controls for sim? I want to get better at sim and i feel like my camera controls are really what is holding me back. i have no clue how to make it so smooth like that
Where does it sit on a scale of pre-JANE’S Microprose with 1 being amiga Strike Eagle 1, and 10 being strike eagle 3 on a Pentium 2 with a Voodoo2 card?
I know people will jump in here and complain about the grind and say that air rb is more efficient - if you do then you do not get the point of this video. I do not care about the grind. I play to just experience some fun and War Thunder air sim has some unique things that the other games do not. I just play the same 2-3 planes I have and I don't really care about unlocking other planes. I just play to play. I hope that some people who have WT who never play air sim, feel like they can try it and experience something new. Enjoy!
Interesting point, the issue is tho, you first need to get through that grind to get into the cold war era ;)
@@Wolfhound_81 You can just buy a premium jet.
I grind just to get the F-4E Phantom. Been playing SB with it for some time. I just dont care of grinding further. I have fun flying F-4E in Enduring Confrontation BR 10.0 - 10.7.
Biggest problem with Air Sim is that it has absurd repair costs matched with rewards based in intervals which are hard to offset without premium planes. One time i wanted to have bit fun in tier 5 lost 250k SL in one game (i had 3 kd) preventing me from playing since i couldnt spawn any more.
@@engineer1941 There has been a massive nerf to repair costs, and buff to SL rewards some time at the start of this year apparently. I'm currently at Tier 4 props and each spawn is just 10k in cost. I earn that back just by getting barely anything done; one air kill is enough to turn a profit per life during my stock grind through the tech tree, and that is before even calculating in premium time.
As DCS player I have to admint that as life goes to having less and less time with carrier/family I am now more often on WT than DCS as it offers much more for the 30-60min free time slots in the evenings. I no longer fight control scheme, no longer fight performance issues of DCS or lua scripting and if you know energy fighting concepts, you can actually dominate majority of WT sim games. I play exclusivelly VR and sim mode and the key to happiness is to ignore the grind because by there is actually more fun in props and early jets as these ranks offer the most skill based fights, top tier with all aspect and radar missiles is only about positioning and catching people off guard and is generally much less skill based.
To me WT sim is a nice casual game to unwind after work. It has less fidelity than IL2 and DCS but it gets the general idea of air combat across. I think WT Sim has a lot of potential filling the sim-lite niche but it’s not a popular mode so I doubt the snail will develop it.
It's an interesting place to play for the snail if they focus more on it
100%
It's not popular because they make wrong decisions and make it worse and also make economy worse
And the entire Enduring Confrontation mode... including Heli Battles EC
Are developed by a single guy and he's a NAVAL MAIN who apparently hates Cold War tech lol
@@Enigma89 I would like to believe that you could help us--the diehard WT sim community--by continuing to shed light on the mode... Coming from IL2 & DCS, I do believe it could become something very special if it were only given a little more love...
@@KeepZeeZ Agreed, I think people really miss out on what WT has to offer by not playing sim. The flight models are great and do not have the limitations of realistic battles or arcade. With a competent team sim can be a blast
on the flares being too strong part, its because the game actually models the heat flares produce and how it dissipates in the air based on the atmosphere shit, in DCS its just a esoteric RNG Dice roll based on the number of flares/chaff dispensed and the velocity etc etc
>get in Mitsubishi T-2
>argue with the ground crew for ten minutes on why I need a singular rocket pod equipped on the right wing
>morbidly traumatize the trainer in the back by pulling 13G’s in a dogfight
>missile launch
>cut burner and extend flaps
>do a maneuver that reduces the lifespan of the aircraft by 50%
>realize rockets don’t fire over mach 1
>die
got a gf and haven’t played warthunder sim in almost a year, addicted to japanese trains now
that is so accurate. its fun when you meet all-aspect guys and forget you are too fast.
Fellow Japanese train enjoyer!
My man!
Since you have a gf. I'm not sure if recommending you to watch Maitetsu (or read it) is a good idea
Mf escaped Gajins slavery😭
Japanese trains are the goat
The nice thing about War Thunder is you don't have to worry about remembering controls for 20 different planes. The gigantic selection of aircraft also makes sim fun, because you never know what you're going to run into
WT's systems are surprisingly sophisticated. You mentioned radar, but missile seekers (and countermeasures, and counter-countermeasures) are also intricately modeled with no RNG. The values of the simulated parameters aren't super realistic (hence why I said 'sophisticated' instead), so you have things like especially effective flares and chaff and exaggerated multi-pathing for radar missiles, but it can be a satisfying experience regardless of all that and the simplistic flight models
Some people are asking if I was paid for this video. I was **NOT** paid for this video. I am a WT CC partner but this happened after I made this video. I had already made this video, I typically try to keep 4-8 weeks of content in a bank as a back up for when I get busy. The recent stuff with Razbam has made me want to diversify my risk a bit, for the sake of the channel so I asked them to become a CC partner. I was already playing more WT because I have been so busy with work. May as well get the Snail's blessing if I am playing their game more.
You have fell to the dark side
when the day comes, and it will, that WT SIM goes deeper, the air for DCS will become ever tighter.
WT sim with GCI/AWACS, VOIP etc... WT has the potential, the technology and the resources.
As a VR/sim player of WT (but not exclusive) I have to agree here. Just ignore the grind people, the most fun is anyway in the low-mid tier fights, the moment you reach all-aspect IR missilles and radar missilles it is anyway becomming much less skill based (as low tier is pure energy fighting focused) and only based on possitioning and catching people off-guard to fire a missile at them. So ignore the grind, you will have a lot of good fun just playing props and it will teach you things that DCS didn't managed to teach me in a decade (the energy fighting I mean).
Also the top tier systems modelling is weird, WT devs don't really want to model the more modern planes instruments properly so in VR I am stuck with a holographics radar hud on my left. So a bit immersion breaking, but props and early jets dont have this immersion breaker.
Quick heads up, the radar and rwr virtual display can be disabled in the settings, I usually disable them when I'm flying the Su27 or the F15 because they are already present within the MFDs of the aircrafts
@@alessandromenegollo7957 Oh, thanks! Didn't know that. I hope that RWR and Radar are two separate settings because on F4 Phantom/Mirage2000 (the highest BR I play as above that I do not like the gameplay) these planes do not really have RWR display in cockpit modeled. So I just need to disable the radar.
@@BlackbirdDrozd They are indeed two separate settings, you can find them as "Use radar HUD in cockpit" and "Use RWR HUD in cockpit" both under options->air battle settings, glad i was of help!
2:30 also does much better job with IR missiles modeling as well compared to DCS. The amount of suddle differences between different IR missile models is just insane and the heat signature and flares popping affecting them is modeled in excelent and transparent way(thanks to recent replay mode that shows seeker tracking and why particular flare worked vs not worked in confusing the IR missile seeker).
Air sim is really fun
What I need though is for them to add the option to have helicopters
Would be kind of huge actually
i love ground striking in sim, not for the grind (I've finished the trees i play the most) but simply because i enjoy it. Despite the small amount of players its one of the only modes to have specific objectives for each kind of player. Ex. destroying convoys, attacks, recon ai, trike ai, intercepting other players, striking specific parts of enemy airfields to alter how they function, and attacking carriers to remove it as a take off point all together. and that is what keeps me playing .air rb is the same thing constantly, but you have options in air sim and i wish more people played it to give it the attention it deserves
enigma please don't force me back into the hellhole that is war thunder
I duno what to say, I had fun and i am finding myself wanting to dabble in it occasionally. I just have been too busy with work to play longer formats. WT does offer something the other games don't.
@@Enigma89how much is the holy snail paying you
@biggie10101 probably he need some wt coins? for his grind😂😂
@@biggie10101 The Snail did not pay me for this video lol
Go back go back the snail calls
WE NEED THE SNAIL TO WORK ON SIM
Once I got into Air SIM in warthunder, I frankly can't go back to the other game modes, it's just more rewarding and you can be a dedicated ground pounder and actually HAVE FUN
I really do love DCS, but war thunder is my go to TBH, usually I get home from work and I put on my VR and jump into SIM for a few hours, Right now i am Flying the F-4 and I have been having a blast. I know SIM mode isnt "efficient" for the grind, but most of my trees were unlocked because of the fun I have in it. Thank you for covering this!
I’ve been playing war thunder sim for 3-4 years, and I can tell you that Cold War WT sim is insanely fun.
The variety of jets you can find and all their quirks and strengths come together in such an amazing way.
Tons of “sleeper” aircrafts that people don’t usually run such as the British Phantoms with RR spey turbofan engines can become true dogfight monsters in the hands of the right people. It’s so much fun to engage in 3-4 people fur balls of MiG-21’s, Phantoms and Mirages.
And don’t even get me started on the amount of toxic banter that can go on in the chat, it’s just glorious.
I enjoy top tier quite a lot aswell and that’s what I mostly play, but I always come back for some Mirage F1, MiG-23 and F4 every once in a while
F1ct is one of my favorites. Even after the br changes it still seems to be one of the top dogs
@@Past10Performancedid the fix the the Flawed 530 or it still chases chaffs??
@@AlexanderK9519 it's still broken but there is no reason to bring it on the f1ct cause it dosent have a center pylon
WT Flight models are usually decent to pretty good across the board, and anything out of place gets bug reported until its fixed (unless the documents are restricted, like the SU-27 bleed rate). Another thing is that countermeasures are very accurate, down to the rise time of flares, along with accurately modeled seeker behavior it makes flaring IRCCM missiles a skill instead of a random RNG diceroll like in DCS.
I still can’t believe DCS hasn’t done anything to compete with WT IRCCM and flare/chaff models. It’s embarrassing
@@blanchbackerDCS is bound by its ancient foundation code.
I have to say the MiG-21S is genuinely one of my favorites for Sim. Its great and I love the power the engine gives out, really lets you stand on your tail in a lot of situations other planes wouldnt let you.
Another cool thing about the mig21s is that you can turn the night vision off on the camera and it has a nice zoom on it which can help with target identification
I really feel that greatest thing WT or other sims offer is a streamlined approach to game modes, match making, scenarios etc. I really want to just get in and do a thing, a focused thing, that my whole team is doing. Sometimes a packed DCS server feels like 50 people all playing separate games where some other players just happen to render on their map. I've been playing a lot of VTOL VR lately and was surprised to find that other players communicate and coordinate at vastly higher rates than I've ever seen in public DCS and I think this is mostly due to the nature of the missions available. It's very easy to know what your role is, what your objective is, who else is going to be doing that and what others are doing. That was a long winded way to say, yeah, it's funny how a scoreboard and a currency grind (or an easily accessible objective list in VTOL VR) can actually make a game better when it promotes objective play and teamwork. WT Sim is a great time.
I started playing WT arb & sim in December after watching a bullet4myenemy video where he said he got good at dogfighting in WT. I sucked at dogfighting in ECW so I tried it out. I also wanted to fly the Mig 23 before we got it in DCS (which we probably never will now). I'm now completely addicted to WT and havent even touched DCS in 6 months.
Thank you for showing WT some love
Mirage 2000, MiG-19 and MiG-23 are in the game, AV-8B Plus getting added this update, all we need now is the Strike Eagle.
Its almost here, F15C was the last addiction mate. That thing is being a monster!
I'd watch more of these WT air sim vids, this was cool :)
I'd bounced on and off WT air AB and air RB on a few occasions. Recently though I had a change in mindset since getting my VKB Gunfighter and a center stick mounting solution: just VR Sim Battles. Oh boy has it kind of been a blast jumping into japanese planes and turning and burning.
Even if progress is slower than getting good at gaming air RB, even just one Enduring Confrontation session after work nets me a couple of good fights that leaves me satisfied. or dive bombing destroyers with 800kg bombs, that's neat too.
Almost at jets on the tech tree too. Looking forward to flying the Sabre, considering that in ECW I mainly fly the MiG-19 and F-5E.
Well said, my favourite thing about warthunder sim is the variety of things you can end up facing
Someone in my discord pointed this video out to me. Just going to leave a comment as I mainly play War Thunder Sim.
As far as the DCS comparisons go...War Thunder does the whole "being a game" thing a lot better than DCS while DCS does the pilotage and in the cockpit experience better.
Generally speaking, I think the standard of gameplay in War Thunder might be a little better across the board just due to not having as long of a learning curve to get the basics down. I don't have to manage systems as aggressively in War Thunder and I can focus more on nuances of dogfighting, situational awareness, etc...and it is also likely that the guy I am fighting is at least further along in that learning curve.
On the other hand War Thunder sim has all of its own problems. The way that BR ranges work in sim is that there is always something that is best for the daily bracket...and players will gravitate towards that. Also there is a pretty stark range of BRs that are occupied by grinders and very small games where getting into a fight takes awhile...and the opposition is not all that interesting. It takes awhile to understand how the sim community thinks to actually find the games where active players gravitate to.
As far as flight models go...from what I have observed and tested...Gaijin does make an honest attempt at modeling things accurately. Just recently the Mirage 2000 has gone through a bunch of changes to try to get the plane to more closely match its EM diagram...but because accurate modeling of aircraft is hard...nothing ever matches up 100%. In general I would describe WT flight models as being more consistent across the board in DCS insofar if something is inaccurate...it is consistently inaccurate across multiple flight models.
Nuh uh modelling aircraft isnt hard i bought a scale model kit and painted it in like 6 months!
Hi Beer Man
Thx for the thoughtful reply
The only thing I dont like about WT air sim is that there is no GCI/AWACS that makes getting ambushed really frustrating sometimes, but other than that I had waaay more good fights in WT than in DCS and the downtime between deaths is also not very big which is nice if you just want to do some fighting.
Its easier to get good fights in an arcade game than in a simulator ;)
The maps are very small so there isn’t really a need for it. I’m a WT air sim main and I’d like for that QOL but the maps would need to be bigger.
@@jordancourse5102 The sim maps are really too small for modern jets , f14 can just take off and see enemy airfield
@@biggie10101 eh DCS is also just a game just slightly more realistc. Dogfighting works the same in both. I spend hundreds of hours in both games and fights in WT are simply more fun and interactive. I might get more kills in DCS but slinging a missile at an unaware player or flares just simpy not working is just not as much fun as a dogfight in WT where this happens way less.
it makes me wish we had a proper sim mode for ground vehicles that actually encourages objective play the way air sim does.
The problem is that you can't just start in the Cold War era. You have to grind your way up to those planes, which takes absolutely forever. If you could just have access to any aircraft you'd like to fly, the game would be so much better.
You can just buy a cold war plane
@@Enigma89 ....sure, for the mere price of $70, which is insanity.
@@SkyDawg91Yeah $70 dollars for a pixel plane that's not modelled like DCS module is outrageous. I wish Gaijin would just pull the band aid and split the game into Cold War half and a WW2 half, like how World of Tanks on console does it.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 And what about modern jets which is the appeal to most players and gives them the most money? stupid comment even though I hate Gaijin
@@SATORI_111 The "modern" jets are Cold War aircraft dum dum. The F-15, F-16, and F-14 are from the 70s. The F/A-18, Su-27 and MiG-29 are from the 80s. Even the F-22 is a product of a Cold War era program meant to replace the F-15. As for more modern planes than those, the Cold War is sometimes argued to have never ended. At the very least, we're in a second Cold War now, so the name can still apply to newer jets when we get them.
How DARE you shoot down an A-4!
You should try using you airbrake more often to slow down on those rolling scissors. Usually does the trick for me.
When people aren't just diving into airfields non-stop...
That is when an event is running that requires players to get activity points in aircraft. I tend to avoid playing SIM during that time.
I've never seen that one time in the last year
@jimlthor it's usually during events on the ru and eu servers
I personally love war thunder air sim as well as DCS. As you’ve mentioned numerous times in previous videos, the full Fidelity nature of many DCS modules means they’re much more complicated to learn in war thunder the far more simplistic approach to modeling aircraft allows for a huge variety from pre wwii all the way to almost modern aircraft. This enables so much variety in flight styles. But one thing that I personally love about war thunder is the numerous models of the same airframe, for example the sheer number of MIG 21s in the game with huge different capability levels.
Also there is just more aircraft in war thunder, and they have complexe damage model (compared to DCS atleast)
It's the best ERA for Sim by far! Simple radars, simple missiles. I'm loving it.
All your points about the variety of airframes are spot on, it can sometimes give a choice paralysis vibe where you can just sit in the hangar and get overwhelmed deciding which nation to play, factoring in whether the top BR is 11.3 or 11.7 (i don't play any higher now fox3s are in).
Maps like Winter Stalingrad, Zhengzhou and Tunisia are great for the interception bomber-hunting gameplay loop, to the point that it can turn into a tower defense game firing fox1s at all the zombers trying to exploit the points earned by mighty mouse rockets.
I have a lot of fun in Air Sim using the British F-4s and Harriers. Especially the Harrier II and its BR bracket, you get some really cool fights against F-4s, Mig-23s, MiG-21s, and it's accessible to me even without head tracking or a HOTAS.
Ive been playing the shit out of WTSim for the last year. Unlocked USA, USSR and Germany up to 10.0 jets. It runs so much better than DCS in VR..
Hoggit likes to shit on it.. but i doubt anyone plays it.
Also, if you dont know, you can choose what room you play in to make sure you're in a populated lobby
I recently got into air simulators, and man playing air sim in war thunder at like 10-11.0 is a blast
You should be able to set IAS (Altitude Compensated air speed) in the HUD settings. It'll make it much easier than relying on speed measured in relation to the ground. Another thing is that Flaps in WT can be really weird. I would almost never advise you use your Flaps in a rate fight. It will almost always result in a worse rate-fight performance.
Thank you! Someone who talks about War Thunder Simulator instead of just RB! It’s heavily slept on, but I find it the most fun I’ve had in that game.
5:35
One little piece of advice for the MiG-21's in WarThunder, don't drop takeoff flaps in dogfights, it doesn't help you turn any better, just makes you bleed more speed.
Being a little bored of the units I like to fly in DCS, I went for Falcon BMS, and then for War Thunder Simulation Battles and I am having a lot of fun, grinding units like the Mirages the Kfir, Hunter, F-8, F-15A, F-16A. I have even lost all shame happily Giving them my money for Premium accounts and other units. But yeah I would prefer spending mu money on units like those if they were available on DCS
I thought war thunder sim was only my guilty pleasure...
The later jets arent as much fun imo just because map size and radar being so good leads to more 3rd partying/point click missle fights, but the early super sonic planes are very fun to play in sim. The variety of aircraft you play and fight and strategies that you have to use to do so really makes it interesting. Some planes have good radar, some have none at all. Some are fast, some have missles ect. Glad to see people recommending it because it does suffer from a shortage of players at times, but other times there is to many (especailly during events like right now). I think they need to imtroduce bigger maps or cap the teams at 10v10 instead of the current 16v16 for the more modern jets, for earlier jets and props team and map sizes work well.
Good video!
I can't tell if I should be mad or happy. I watched this video a few months back and nodded in a faint interest. I had played War Thunder since 2013 but dropped it around a year ago for my own mental health.
Well the bug came back last week and I said... let's try sim. Bound up my PS5 controller and sent it. Sure enough, Cold War Sim is super charming. You just fly. It's less about the grind and more just enjoying the journey with your aircraft. It's been really refreshing and I hadn't expected it. Dogfights are rare but intense. Most often, you can actually sneak around to get what you need done. Aircraft that normally don't perform in RB are suddenly shining in this mode. I find my radar to be a god send for IFF. Also I'm not just using pulse doppler if the aircraft has it. It becomes your eyes, and seeing is important. Finally, I was always really good with leading targets in air RB for some wild snap shots. I find that, with actual cockpit visibility to account for, getting on your opponent's tail is far more important now.
The mirage f1c has been a standout for myself. It's honestly charming as it shines just enough in most categories to find ways to dominate a fight at the BR. Your radar can see quite well. Two magic 2s on the wingtips keeps you safe. Two 530Fs to use that radar. Good manueverability that will punish anyone who bleeds speed too fast. It's a blast.
Honorable mention to the J7E. It's a turning monster that can fully deflect the elevator and keep a consistent turn. But, without 3rd person mouse controls, it is very apparent why most MiGs switched to the Gsh-2-23 rather than the ol 30mms. 60 rounds is rough.
I just got into warthunder sim a few weeks ago and I had a lot of fun playing 11.0 and above in my murika planes.
I play air sim on m&k and I play air rb in first person I love warthunder been apart of it for a while I can’t play dcs cause I don’t have a joystick and I don’t have a strong enough CPU but getting a kill with a 29smt against a f15 who is using a stick while I was performing a cobra is the best feeling ever
cold war era is the best br range currently due to the limited weapon and sensor performance. The Difference radar makes is cool too. Planes without countermeasures become viable again due not really needing them as most deaths are due to sneak attacks.
i got into aircraft combat simulators because of War Thunder. Abandoned WT because Gaijin's dogshit business model, to learn DCS. Now ED is trying their hardest to make me switch back to War Thunder.......
It's joever
One of my best fights was first gen Mig-21 Fish bed Vs F4-II. The first gen mig is little under powered but it so much lighter other jets it can do some crazy stuff even with its limited weapons. We got into a nice rate fight and I won. In really hope this game mode gets some love!
Its those times when you dogfight 1 guy for 5min keeps me at Air SB. The whole games in Air RB are like 5min nowadays.
I wish we had RB EC. Air RB right now is aweful.
The j7d, a mig 21 mf with a better and gets magic 1's and pl5's is amazing in the 10.0 10.7 bracket of sim
Finally, someone gets it. I always have gotten shit for playing sim, especially at the cold war brs (8.0-11.0~) because everyone thinks it's just e8ther props or top tier.
only thing keeping me out of WT Sim is that every Plane is a wobble fiesta ...
Air sim is great fun but it has things that need some changes like the introduction of more enemy AI convoys, air patrols/ strikes missions, and AWACS. It gets pretty empty as the match goes on sadly. Another issue is the way they balance teams. RedFor gets France, Japan, Gemrany, and sweden at times which leads to a lot of instances where you're facing off against Phantoms, mirages, F5s, and F104s which gets very confusing, especially if you have some on your team which you always will. There's also the matter of not being able to use MFDs inside the cockpit which ruins immersion for those of us that really want to play sim more seriously for fun without having to learn all of DCS
Helicopters are also extremely slept on in simulator sadly, they're in in air sim, only ground sim which is a bit chaotic because you're having to defend against SAMs and also tank main rounds because of how easy it is to shoot down helicopters with mouse aim
No please, I just broke my crippling addiction to this game, I can't go back
If only their business model was less atrocious.... and worked a bit on their flight models too, but the first one is more important IMO, aside from that i actually like what they did with the damage modeling and seeker implementation
The thing that really peeves me when it comes to sim in this game is all the planes that share tech trees of nations that verse each other constantly. It's annoying for target I.D. and you end up with less dissimilar air combat.
I tend to agree, it does make it a bit tricky for IFF especially without radars
@@Enigma89 I had a random thought about a potential solution; What if each vehicle had an individual 'allignment' that you could then assign to a special inter-national lineup for sim and possibly other gamemodes requiring multiple vehicles like the ground battles?
E.g. Axis and Allies for interwar and WW2, East and West for cold war and today. This would also allow for some more interesting lineups, and possibly even encourage people to experiment with the more obscure trees to diversify their lineups.
Opening up lineups like that might be a nightmare for balance though. And it wouldn't counteract things like the premium beutewaffen. Just a thought I guess.
For me, dcs and wt fit different roles.
Dcs is a more serious stuff, where you dedicate the whole evening to play the game and make other plans around that.
Wt is when you have an hour or two and feel like getting in a cockpit. Or if I'm tired and want to just fly without using my brain
It’s fun because I can fly my Swedish jets and at least it sometimes feels a little realistic but would rather have all these planes in dcs somehow
The only game mode worth playing in this game
WT sim for me only loses to DCS/Falcon BMS in some very small details...
When i look at my DCS friends list in steam, i see a lot playing WT.
It is the game everybody spit on but everyone plays secretly. 😂 In reality, it is a great game and the haters from the DCS community are just plain ridiculous.
The biggest WT haters are WT players.
You cannot achieve burning hatred for Gaijin without being personally invested in the game.
My last days in war thunder were in sim, but I found it extremely clunky, even though there the F-4E was a beast. Modern stuff was unplayable.
Yes, we need more people playing sim in war thunder, and the key to stay sane while playing wt is to ignore the grind, just grind to whatever plane you want then just enjoy, don't mind the top tier, it sucks
>ignore the grind
>just grind
The absolute state
I'm a warthunder player I used to.only to the "realistic battles" mode kinda a half way point between arcade and sim, after watching alot of your dcs vids and other channels I wanted to get into sim like combat but never had the funding or time to learn dcs so I started playing sim mode in WT and have never looked back I'm happy to see you show off this mode 😀 mabye I'll catch you in a lobby sometime I hope to see more of this on your channel in the future.
war thunder for me is a pretty cool game, i gave it up though because i got bored after i unlocked the 4th F4U Corsair that was only slightly different from the previous ones… but i may hop on again in the future
Playing different tech trees or researching different lines may help
note: only true if you have missiles
Man you gotta try this in VR, its looks and runs so good xD And getting those snapshots is a lot easier (and crashing into the ground a lot scarier lol)
Some people play games for a combination of fighting and then getting the satisfaction of the runway appearing in front of you as you line up your course select needle with your tacan or whatever nav ur using.
The only thing that suck in WT air sim is when an airplane event is on, Zombers are back to sim to grind and it can get really toxic real quick
I mostly play too tier air sim but lately I’ve been playing 10.3-11.3 (Mirage F1C, MiG 21Bis, F5E). It’s a good balance of tech but you can get some really good dogfights too.
I’d like your opinion on top tier air sim from an “outside” perspective. WT’s sim community is fairly small and Gaijin neglects sim like it’s a plague.
Currently in top tier air sim the matchmaking is extremely unbalanced due to ghost lobbies (where a player joins and leaves while the match is going and when he leaves his name is still on the leaderboard which counts as a player on the team and it allows the opposing team to stack) causing 1 team to outnumber the other. Right now the blue team (US mostly) out numbers the red team (Russia, China) because yes the NATO based planes are more popular and the Aim-9M spam just further adds the incentive to play the planes with those missiles because right now they have no smoke and if you know you know…
Just tried WT for the 1st time, quite complicated system for someone used to IL-2 and others. From what I see, it's going to cost a LOT of money to be able to fly in any of the Dynamic Campaigns, or even the single missions (in Full realism/Sim mode). For someone new, choosing a single mission that required I buy the "CR.42". i'm lost. Went to Online Store, search shows nada.. but I did see you can spend hundreds of dollars on others!
You can just get a premium and only fly that.
Maybe one small point is that I feel like war thunder sim vr is not as intuitive to me as DCS VR, but that could just be experience
WT is decent, but the grind is just ridiculous, and I gave up on it years back, I just play what I have now and again, and have no interest in grinding further. The economy non premium means that unless you are a good player you will be forever broke.
Honestly agree in a way.
I like DCS for its modern aircraft. FF modules are awesome for modern jets that benefit from it (say the F/A 18 is amazing to play in DCS) BUT anything before is I think overpriced as FF modules. For that WT is a nice break.
Not the f4 it’s definitely worth its price. Same with helicopters.
@RW-zn8vy true that. The WSO has his own mini game in the back seat, somewhat same applies to the Tomcat.
Different folks, different strokes, though. I am still saying that some of the analogue aircraft are a little bit overpriced / overcomplicated for many. I can still see some hard-core fan of a plane to appreciate the FF model of an older aircraft. There is a reason why I am eyeing on the Mosquito, the Sabre or the Mig-15; and the Mig-21. But many of the older aircraft dont really benefit that much from being FF in DCS, or might be holding players back, for them, War Thunder might be a good pick.
I like the quick combat aspect of War Thunder for times when I dont have too much time at my disposal. In DCS things take time, Im not saying this negatively though. Thats the thing I like in DCS. Byt I dont always have 1+ hour available hehe.
It will be good to see you out there Enigma o7
If you see a Lightning out there, Beware 😉
Mirage F1C/CT is my go to
I already got out of that crazy house once, you cant make me go back!!
Finaly someone mentioned warthunder airsim.
Compare spotting between DCS and WT. Im enjoying dogfighting a lot in WT sim. In DCS cant see sheep away from quarter mile away. And nobody fixing it for 15 years.
Love the cold war fighter in WT sim, best mode for some fun
I still stand by that WT air sim (and just air sim) would be in a much healthier space and have little effect on the rest of the war thunder 'economy' if they entirely disconnected it from the free to play model and just let sim players outright buy access to it and every air vehicle as a stand alone package (either as a separate game, or in the current game)
The truth is the crossover of sim and RB/AB players is a lot smaller in air battles then in other modes, beyond times people were abusing sim for grind (when bomber pilots use to gunship in sim to make easy lions/eagles) the actual current player base are quite far apart. So you wont lose any substantial amount currently in the grind if you offered them every plane and upgrade but only in sim and I think there is a further player base out there for a 'DCS lite' they just dont want to be forced into some awful grind model. We saw this with IL2 BOS. When it originally launched they stuck in little grind bars for every plane to unlock camos and loadouts and the player base revolted. They ended up making bank of it by basically charging more for players to just skip it by buying the premium edition, but they stopped doing it for all later versions. Ground forces has always been different, the difference between sim and RB ground forces is a lot more nuanced and since its inception the two modes have functionally competed over the same player base (it's why ground forces never got a enduring confrontation for it's sim mode like air did) so no chance in hell they'd ever offer the same deal for sim ground.
Perhaps this is functionally what the upcoming VR focused War Thunder spin off will become (Aces of Thunder). If they are smart they would try to avoid putting a grind in that title and make it a sort of middle point between VTOL VR and DCS/IL2 .
Though at the moment from what I've read it's very ww2 focused atm and also a ps5 vr exclusive title, I suspect it wont be for long, and that someone in Gaijin is trying to get it to work with the meta quest 2/3.
i play the tomcat in sim, its alright but when uptiered it has no chance, sim itsself is alright but can be frustrating if the br bracket isnt in your favour
Most of my 3500 hours in war thunder is in sim
I honestly don’t know. I question why I play flight sims.
Fucking cold war. Get in the trenches man, and meet me in WW2 sim. Been rolling in that shit for years. You'd still blow the brakes off of me, but still, WW2 sim is where its at. That shit takes some skill... thats why I only stick to bombers and attackers...
I like WWII it's my favourite era to fly in.
Why are you using flaps when you are diving, which effectivelly brakes your speed/energy gain from the descent the most, and don't use them at the top of the loop when the flaps can give the biggest increase in turn rate for the lowest energy loss penalty (because you are already slowest). In my oppinion you should do the opposite and just try to make the bottom curve more shallow to not hit the ground. I usually do the opposite and then have guns on target on descent much faster.
Typically I do this when I do not care for speed. I do not know what the corner speeds are all in the jets in WT so I was really just going for nose position.
If they would put some effort into improving it, it could be something special. They’re sitting on a gold mine but refuse to add anything interesting to sim.
What are your camera controls for sim? I want to get better at sim and i feel like my camera controls are really what is holding me back. i have no clue how to make it so smooth like that
I would agree BUT.... vr feels warped like a fish bowl. Hurts eyes/brain after a few minutes
I want to play sim. I really need a HOTAS
The game itself is OK, but my God, the WT economy 😫💀
It’s crazy fun 😂
I wish they would give Russian etc nations for more incentive to play and give the “Allied” forces more enemies
Where does it sit on a scale of pre-JANE’S Microprose with 1 being amiga Strike Eagle 1, and 10 being strike eagle 3 on a Pentium 2 with a Voodoo2 card?
Some of the gun sights in VR warthunder are all shimmering and shit anybody know of a fix?