I reload a lot of self defence 300blk, if you load that 110grain vmax with 20.0 grains of H110 or win296 then do your gel test, you will see that a lot more penetration with a lot more expantion and a very large wound channel.. this is a full power blackout load, that does way more damage then any 5.56 bullet can possibly do... this is why from 0 to 225 yards this round dominates all other ballistics for combat rifles even with a short barrel...
I load this same combination with H110 in a 7 1/2 inch barrel and got the same results. For Self defense or hunting it makes this platform very deadly!
I use the Nossler varmegedon 110 gr behind 19.2 gr of 296. My 10.5 with a dot sight shoots 1” all day long. It’s my go to bump in the night gun. Gel test show my round with about 10” and massive wound track. I’ve taken one Coyote and the devastation was off the charts
That is a great test! Many 300 blk users are using shorter barrels and are looking for an affordable home defense round to load. Seems like this bullet at apprx 2000 fps is a great option for that.
I use 300 AAC with 110 Vmax and the 110 Zmax for just those reasons. At AAC velocities the explosive expansion is tamed and better penetration is achieved.
I'm building a 7.5'' build right now and this has effectively become a .30 Carbine in AR form with 110 grain bullets such as the V-Max, or a suppressed weapon roughly equal to a .45 ACP +P with 190 or 200+ grain subsonics lol. It'll be a handy little thing when it's done.
I load 110 V-Max for 7.62×39 out of a 10.5" barrel. Getting about 2200fps. I think i'll stick with that. I don't agree with the FBI's 20+" penetration. In a defensive situation i want every bit of energy dumped where i pointed......not behind it.
I eliminated the VMax bullet from consideration due to the previous test. Good to see that loaded properly it works very well. I like supporting Hornady so I will be adding this to the Varmegeddon I have been loading.
They call this a varmint round! Shit this took down a doe for me last hunting season and even broke the front shoulder. I would definitely use this as a self defense round
Don't know how much it weight but it wasn't the largest and it wasn't smallest either it broke the shoulder then started to tumble turning away from shoulder passing through both lungs then exiting sideways making a devastating exit wound excellent round especially with the way it tumbled in the body. That doe didn't stand a chance and good for me I didn't have to go searching in the woods for it
@@MrPancho728 awesome, thanks a lot for the response! Targetsportsusa.com currently has 200 rd ammo cans for $130 with free shipping, which is why I asked. I went ahead and scooped up a bunch.
I killed my biggest buck in November with this same bullet in the 300 blackout. It weighed about 215 pounds and his score was 147” if that tells you anything. Would’ve went completely through him if it were completely broadside. Didn’t wait because he was moving fast.
My 16" bbl results for Hornady Black factory ammo: Shots: 7; Average: 2400; Min: 2382; Max: 2417; E.S.: 36; Std. Dev.: 13.2. A ballistics calculator shows that the velocity should drop to Andrew's impact velocity of 1934 around 165-170 yards.
Yeah I’m wondering how much fps drops from a 16” to his 8” which is what I’m using for home defense and truck gun. Especially considering 300blk is known for being awesome with short barrels
@@nathant3897 I only have a 16" barrel, but I think I can help you out. So you have my chrono data on the Hornady factory ammo from my 16" barrel. This guy linked in this video here did the same test with an 8" barrel + can and got around 2125 fps: ruclips.net/video/WrhUvpgdP3k/видео.htmlsi=Szca5XVpoMrvK1n9 So you're looking at a 275 fps loss going from a 16" to 8" barrel with whatever powder Hornady uses. That's not bad at all. Most rounds would give up much more going to such short a barrel and you're still getting better than what the .30 Carbine makes out of a 17" M1 barrel. My guess is that the load Matt uses in this video would probably do 2200-2300 fps from a 16" barrel, which meshes with his calling the load "conservative" in the video.
I use this bullet and load my own for my 10.5, I will say out of mine its a devastating round at over 2250 - 2300 fps..... I’m still getting great penetration and the wound cavity is atrocious! Anyways as always ty for all your hard work!
Shot a big doe at 15 yds this year with the 110gr Ammo Inc load using my 10.5" upper. After field dressing and skinning her, I decided to switch to a tougher bullet for hunting, but I'm stocking up on it for a defensive load. Struck a rib on entry and deflected downward and to the rear (I was in an elevated position so the rib would have been at an angle already). Penetration was around 8" with the projectile doing damage to the far side of the ribcage but it did not penetrate. Meat on the inside was torn and punctured, but not all the way through. Bulging bruse on the outside. You could drop a golf ball through the entry wound. Internally, it destroyed everything in a 3" circle. Never found what was left of the projectile, which was likely a ragged jacket and a thin sliver of lead. The doe went down quick, but for hunting, I want an exit wound. For 2 legged threats, I'm confident that it will to the job extremely well.
I really appreciate your work. Your consistency in your testing is what makes the information you provide so valuable. I do have a question. After viewing the 110 Varmageddon and this video with the 110 Vmax do you see anyperformace advantage of one over the other or about equal?
All the tests I've seen the Varmageddon dumps it's energy much quicker, and the Vmax has better penetration. Varmageddon's are a lot more expensive when buying just the bullets. Varmageddon for 4 legged critters, Vmax for dirtbags for me.
Yeah I like these. I run the 110gr V-Max up to 2400fps from a 10.5" barrel with Alliant 300-MP for range and other uses. And I keep it right at 2000fps for HD. Although I prefer to use the Barnes 110gr black tips for defensive use. Those I run back up to 2400/2350. Another great video. Keep up the fine work!!
MatteoSixSeventyFour I killed my biggest buck in November with this same bullet in the 300 blackout. It weighed about 215 pounds and his score was 147” if that tells you anything. Would’ve went completely through him if it were completely broadside. Didn’t wait because he was moving fast.
@@nightsinorebro2741 what the fuck are you talking about clown… people like you are the reason why we need to have abortions stay legal …. People like u are fucking pure toxic assholes that need to be smacked in the mouth and putt back in their place real talk? Not to Mention what you said literally makes no sense, feet per second have nothing to do with pistol versus rifles! my 300 blackout is technically a pistol because of the barrel length it still shoots at over 2300 ft./s with hornady vmax rounds so what of it ? U do people like u insist on poking at the hive ?
Most guys seem to comfortably get these going 2150 fps from a 9 inch barrel. After that, pressure signs increase. Now, out of a 16 inch barrel, these easily push 2400 fps and be on par in power to a 7.62x39mm carbine. The impact velocity in this video has got to be the equivalent of a carbine from about 150 yards
I used Hornady 110GR SP loads for 300blckout and it works exactly like the V-Max results you get here, I actually shot a deer in the chest with it and it did not pass through but the fragments peppered the opposite side ribs with about 20 fragments and liquefied the organs into a Gel. pretty messy but was effective. However is does not pass through bone so I stopped using this round for hunting.
Which SP are you referring to, Hornady Varmint's? I would assume that soft point bullets are much more likely to pass through bone than plastic tipped bullets, seeing as the latter are much more explosively expanding, except for perhaps lead-free plastic tipped bullets.
Pretty sure this 110 V-Max is one of the best loads for 300 blackout… for the price I don’t see what you’d be able to get differently for a home defense self-defense scenario which is what 300 blackout was made for not hunting deer lol 😂
Hi. Nice video. I just bought a box of Nosler 110 grain Varmaggedon ammo. Their length is very short compared to my 125 grain Sig Sauer ammo. Will this cause feeding problems in my gen 3 pmags? Thank you, Fred.
I just buy the Hornady Vmax 110 grain out of my 10.5” suppressed rifle the cavitation is devastating. I prefer the subsonics as they are quieter for home defense however this is absolutely fantastic if your protecting your family and property.
In the factory loading, I get 2250 fps in a 10.5” barrel. I don’t have access to ballistics gel, but it “vaporized” a 10 pound watermelon and 1gal water bottle. I didn’t recover any bullet fragments larger than a bb. 2250 may be too fast for this projo.
I've recently (06/2023) gotten into the .300BO. I had been looking for something in a caliber that was 100 to 150 yards, or better. I didn't want to go with a 5.56/.223, because of barrel length. At first, I didn't care for the "AR pistol" route. Then I stumbled upon a great deal on a complete .300 upper. And no sooner, I purchased the upper, the government atf boys, said "THE pistol brace are illegal, now. So, I lost interest but finished the put-together. Then the brace is legal again, and I slowly got into the 300BO, and it has not disappointed, y'all!! The only downside is that ammo is expensive.
File this under "Huh". It's been a while since I've shot my .300blk - I have a few hundred rounds of this stuff squirreled away. Time to do some testing of my own. Thanks!
PikeyScott Its a great round just some of it gets loaded with light charges and waters it down. I drive the piss outta these things with my handloads and they are devastating!!
@@mrgrump2534 what do you mean huh? Do you understand english? Off the shelf ammo is loaded weak, watered down a lot…. I hand load and drive them much harder and get better accuracy and velocity…… not hard to understand?
I killed my biggest buck in November with this same bullet in the 300 blackout. It weighed about 215 pounds and his score was 147” if that tells you anything. Would’ve went completely through him if it were completely broadside. Didn’t wait because he was moving fast.
you can, Fiocchi loads them and you can find them for about 65 cents/round. I took a doe with the 125 SST this year. It worked but I wasn't super impressed. 60 yard shot, I put the bullet right behind the shoulder blade, clean pass thru. Deer ran 30 yards and stopped for a look so I took a follow up shot to the neck and dropped her. I've always hunted with a .308 so maybe it's my perspective thats the problem, I'm used to anything I shoot under 300 yards dropping where it stands. I hate tracking deer.
Henry Schmitz totally sucks. I also refuse to shoot a dear with anything less than 308. 300 Blackout is good for bipedal creatures not foor legged ones of your requirements include dropping game immediately..
With Lil gun powder you can get to 2400+ fps with a 16" at max load. That would be an Interesting test to fire a max velocity load and then a slower round in one test to show the penetration different.
At that close range my 1911 w/jhp will tear shit up. I use that and a 300 blk for home and personal defense. I use the 110 v max in my rifle and have no reason to believe it won't take care of business.
Hornady has this loading moving 2375 fps. I'd like to see what that looks like in ballistic jell at 100 yards. I might use it for deer if it retains the velocity out at range. I'm gonna test it on some groundhogs and see what kind of damage I get out of it.
2375 would be out of a 16" barrel. The velocity of this gel test near the muzzle should be almost what velocity out of a 16" would be at 100 yards so you probably are already looking at the gel test of a 100 yard 16" barrel test.
I just chronoed it and plugged it into a ballistics calculator. You can expect the results of this gel test (impact velocity of 1934) to be comparable to what you would get at 165 yards using a 16" barrel. My 7 shot average velocity was 2400 fps.
@@ians1464 from your results, what do you think about it for use on medium game like deer? Useable, or was the fragmentation too explosive to where it's better kept for varmints?
@@cristianespinal9917 but you just seen that it is good just download it a little bit or use a shorter barrel lol y take someone’s word you don’t even know over a video you just watched? Ill take a video over someone’s here say any day
Tell that to the 23 fallow deer I've dropped with this load. All chest shots. Only issue is moving targets. A lot of lead is required. Hello from Australia!
Great video. I would love to get your thoughts on using the ammo inc, 110 grain vmax which I think pretty much is Hornady, Hornady 110 grain VMAX For home defense. My gun is the DDM4 PDW ar15 300 blackout. 7 1/2 inch barrel 1:7 twist. I’ve been looking at subsonic 200+ grain, and Hornady sub x subsonic for expanding home defense use, but I also would like to buy in bulk a bullet that I can use at the range for hunting and for home defense if need be. My opinion is the 110grain Vmax is probably one of the best all-around all purpose bullets. Thoughts? For my specific gun? Plus subsonic 200+ grain ammo is ridiculous price right now at least two dollars per bullet, where I can pick up 110 grain VMAX for a dollar a bullet from ammo Inc..
Freedom munitions $.80 per round… they have fixed the gunpowder problem they are not slow anymore I have seen this tested myself I have 500 rounds of it right now and they all perform perfectly… a buddy of mine tested the velocity on around 5-6 of my vmax rounds I recently got from freedom munitions and they were all 2250 and above so there’s no reason to hate on freedom plus I’ve used their 147 grain FMJ for practice/range time all the time at $.62 per round that’s cheap I don’t care what you say they go bang literally every time and i’ve never been able to get any blackout ammo that cheap anywhere else!
I know this is old but….the reason I’m a Hornady fan boy is because of their consistence. Hornady will never have the best round….but it will ALWAYS perform the way that it’s designed. I have been putting my life on it for 15 years, and it will never change. For the money….can not beat it.
Has anyone found any testing done on the 110gr Vmax at higher velocities? I'm working with the Ammo Inc 110gr Vmax load because its available locally and doesn't break my bank ($1.00 per round or slightly less). It's shooting acceptably well (less than 2MOA) and runs around 2500 fps out of my 16" carbine and 2300 out of my 10.5" PSA upper. I'm thinking of trying it for a hunting round (200 yds max for the carbine, and 100 for the pistol). I'd love to see this bullet tested at 2100 fps, and in the 2350-2400 range as that would be representative of shots that are under 50 yds for me. On properties where I'd be willing to leave my 24" Grendel at home and take one of the blackouts, most shot opportunities are in the sub 50yd range. Then again, one option is to take the Grendel, but get a folding stock and throw the pistol in a backpack :)
Never mind. Miculek ran the Hornady load out of a 16" He didn't run them over a chrono, but the info is close enough for what I need to know. ruclips.net/video/GnBXaApxWV4/видео.html
Great test. Comparing this result to the result of the old Chopping Block test of Freedom Munition's 110 grain V-Max load, what would you estimate the ideal defensive velocity envelop is? The Freedom Munitions load was too slow to expand and was a crummy performer and you state much faster than this might risk shallow, varmint-esque performance.
I’ve got the 110 Vmax from freedom munitions and they open up just fine, not sure if you had a defective rifle or what not or maybe you’re talking about years ago and they fixed the problem by now Maybe because I’ve got about 500 rounds of the stuff and they all are pretty new looking and I did a five shot test and they were all over 2200 ft./s wich is plenty fast enough lol I did hear that years ago when they first came out they had a problem with the gunpowder they were using or something like that but they have sense fixed this issue so don’t be scared to order from them again they have great prices even on 300 blackout pack of ammo I think like 63 cents a round for new 147 gr fmj s wich is dirt cheap compared to anything I’ve seen online
Hi, please excuse my ignorance, but I was wondering the difference between the previous video you posted on the 110gr Vmax and this current one. The previous one didn't expand reliably, were as this one did great. Is it just a product of the lower velocity on the other video?Thanks for all the testing you do. ruclips.net/video/p3Bi6Yn7aMU/видео.html
Michael McCalister Exactly. Just the lower velocity. Freedom Munitions was loading those very light. I want to say like 1,700 fps off the top of my head.
I was also wondering this. I handloads these same bullets along with 125gr SSTs and 110gr Sierra HPs. I get 2350fps for 125gr and 2400fps on 110gr reliably out of a 16" barrel.
@@chopinbloc they have since fixed the problem tho… so everyone knows I have personally seen this with my own two eyes 2200 was the average on 5 shots out of a 10.5 wich surprise me since it wasn’t a 16 inch barrel !!
ANDREW! LETs GEL TEST COMPARE EITHER THE HORNADY AMERICAN EAGLE or FRONTIER 125gr's NEXT. -- AGAINST THE 110gr V-MAX... VERRRRRY CURIOUS TO SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! IN FACT: LETs DO -BOTH! WHY ONLY ONE. : )) .
What about comparing it to the Nosler 110 varmageddon? Ive used the varmageddon on prairie dogs from 50-175 yds with fairly bad results, you could literally hear the round hit the dog but everyone of them would just run off. When i examined the holes there was very little blood. Ive seen 22lr perform better. So i would say that it should perform differently then the Horandy from my experience. Anyways keep up the good work. Also the 125 sst would be good to see, my wife shot a doe at 85 yds with my blk out this year went through both front leg bones and a piece of the heart i was pretty impressed with it.
Because of the "Economy of Scale, I use 125 grain TNT"s for most things, 300 Blackout. Seems a Varmint Bullet would be ideal for SD application. Humans are pretty soft targets, even the 300 pounder. My load dropped a 130 lb hog, and that hide is tougher than any mans. I get better velocity from my 10.5, and with a slightly heavier bullet, the results should be consistently fatal.
@@mrgrump2534 I'm a reloader, so I get the 125 grain TNT's in cases of 500 from Midway or any other online source. I have loaded 110 V-Max that are screaming close to the magic 2400 fps from my 16 inch 300. No doubt devastating from my 10.5 at CQB ranges.
How did this test end up so different from your Chopping Block test of the Freedom Munitions with the same 110gr V-MAX? Or is this a different bullet with the same weight?
Fired from a 308win at 3200 fps these bullets will be hitting 2150 (black out mv) at 300 yds. which is typical varmint range. They would be just fine for two legged varmints at close (justifiable self defense) ranges. No real advantage over 125 to 150 supersonic expanding bullets. You can only be so dead.
I disagree … I would rather use these in a self-defense scenario where there may be innocent bystanders… let’s be honest if I’m grabbing my rifle ! well penetration or expansion is the least of my concerns and i’ll probably just be using fmj at that point because of the barrier blindness of an FMJ round incase they are behind cover
300 blk seems like the perfect civilian caliber. Can hunt with it and it's perfect for defense within 100 yards.
delicious. This load does a good job of addressing the overpenetration issue with 300 BLK. good stuff. thanks.
I reload a lot of self defence 300blk, if you load that 110grain vmax with 20.0 grains of H110 or win296 then do your gel test, you will see that a lot more penetration with a lot more expantion and a very large wound channel.. this is a full power blackout load, that does way more damage then any 5.56 bullet can possibly do... this is why from 0 to 225 yards this round dominates all other ballistics for combat rifles even with a short barrel...
what length rifle barrel?
You don’t need to mess with anything the bullet is fine the way it is… most of us don’t reload so we can’t do all that… you can only be so dead
Are you seriously saying that a 300blk is the best combat rifle round? Absolutely ridiculous.
I load this same combination with H110 in a 7 1/2 inch barrel and got the same results. For Self defense or hunting it makes this platform very deadly!
@@Subtlenimbuscan you not read?
Glad you tested this one. Cheapest defense round I could find for 300blk and only saw one other gel test on YT for it. Ordered a few boxes
I use the Nossler varmegedon 110 gr behind 19.2 gr of 296. My 10.5 with a dot sight shoots 1” all day long. It’s my go to bump in the night gun. Gel test show my round with about 10” and massive wound track. I’ve taken one Coyote and the devastation was off the charts
That is a great test! Many 300 blk users are using shorter barrels and are looking for an affordable home defense round to load. Seems like this bullet at apprx 2000 fps is a great option for that.
I use 300 AAC with 110 Vmax and the 110 Zmax for just those reasons. At AAC velocities the explosive expansion is tamed and better penetration is achieved.
Agreed.
I'm building a 7.5'' build right now and this has effectively become a .30 Carbine in AR form with 110 grain bullets such as the V-Max, or a suppressed weapon roughly equal to a .45 ACP +P with 190 or 200+ grain subsonics lol. It'll be a handy little thing when it's done.
I load my 110gr VMax to around 2100fps. At 50yds, each have retained around 95-98gr through 75-100lb hogs.
JimboSlice sounds awesome! You have a bunch of swine issues?
Run same velocity and shoots nice
Nice
Great test and break down - I know these take time and nicely done.
I load 110 V-Max for 7.62×39 out of a 10.5" barrel. Getting about 2200fps. I think i'll stick with that. I don't agree with the FBI's 20+" penetration. In a defensive situation i want every bit of energy dumped where i pointed......not behind it.
I eliminated the VMax bullet from consideration due to the previous test. Good to see that loaded properly it works very well. I like supporting Hornady so I will be adding this to the Varmegeddon I have been loading.
They call this a varmint round! Shit this took down a doe for me last hunting season and even broke the front shoulder. I would definitely use this as a self defense round
Thank you this is the exact info I was looking for
If you ever see this, about how much did the doe weigh and did you get a complete pass-through? Thanks!
Don't know how much it weight but it wasn't the largest and it wasn't smallest either it broke the shoulder then started to tumble turning away from shoulder passing through both lungs then exiting sideways making a devastating exit wound excellent round especially with the way it tumbled in the body. That doe didn't stand a chance and good for me I didn't have to go searching in the woods for it
@@MrPancho728 awesome, thanks a lot for the response! Targetsportsusa.com currently has 200 rd ammo cans for $130 with free shipping, which is why I asked. I went ahead and scooped up a bunch.
I killed my biggest buck in November with this same bullet in the 300 blackout. It weighed about 215 pounds and his score was 147” if that tells you anything. Would’ve went completely through him if it were completely broadside. Didn’t wait because he was moving fast.
My 16" bbl results for Hornady Black factory ammo: Shots: 7; Average: 2400; Min: 2382; Max: 2417; E.S.: 36; Std. Dev.: 13.2. A ballistics calculator shows that the velocity should drop to Andrew's impact velocity of 1934 around 165-170 yards.
Yeah I’m wondering how much fps drops from a 16” to his 8” which is what I’m using for home defense and truck gun. Especially considering 300blk is known for being awesome with short barrels
@@nathant3897 I only have a 16" barrel, but I think I can help you out. So you have my chrono data on the Hornady factory ammo from my 16" barrel. This guy linked in this video here did the same test with an 8" barrel + can and got around 2125 fps: ruclips.net/video/WrhUvpgdP3k/видео.htmlsi=Szca5XVpoMrvK1n9
So you're looking at a 275 fps loss going from a 16" to 8" barrel with whatever powder Hornady uses. That's not bad at all. Most rounds would give up much more going to such short a barrel and you're still getting better than what the .30 Carbine makes out of a 17" M1 barrel. My guess is that the load Matt uses in this video would probably do 2200-2300 fps from a 16" barrel, which meshes with his calling the load "conservative" in the video.
Muy buena prueba. Has confirmado lo que ya pensaba. Muchas gracias
Nice work, thanks!
I use this bullet and load my own for my 10.5, I will say out of mine its a devastating round at over 2250 - 2300 fps..... I’m still getting great penetration and the wound cavity is atrocious! Anyways as always ty for all your hard work!
What is your oal for this load??
Just picked up about 2000 of these, glad I did!
Time to pony up for some more gel
Shot a big doe at 15 yds this year with the 110gr Ammo Inc load using my 10.5" upper. After field dressing and skinning her, I decided to switch to a tougher bullet for hunting, but I'm stocking up on it for a defensive load. Struck a rib on entry and deflected downward and to the rear (I was in an elevated position so the rib would have been at an angle already). Penetration was around 8" with the projectile doing damage to the far side of the ribcage but it did not penetrate. Meat on the inside was torn and punctured, but not all the way through. Bulging bruse on the outside. You could drop a golf ball through the entry wound. Internally, it destroyed everything in a 3" circle. Never found what was left of the projectile, which was likely a ragged jacket and a thin sliver of lead. The doe went down quick, but for hunting, I want an exit wound. For 2 legged threats, I'm confident that it will to the job extremely well.
I have found this round to actually be very accurate in a full length 300 blk as well. My new hog setup...
I really appreciate your work. Your consistency in your testing is what makes the information you provide so valuable. I do have a question. After viewing the 110 Varmageddon and this video with the 110 Vmax do you see anyperformace advantage of one over the other or about equal?
All the tests I've seen the Varmageddon dumps it's energy much quicker, and the Vmax has better penetration. Varmageddon's are a lot more expensive when buying just the bullets. Varmageddon for 4 legged critters, Vmax for dirtbags for me.
im keeping a 20 rnd mag of these in my 7.5" .300 blk for home and camp defense. they smack hard considering they're coming out of such a short barrel
Fantastic video thanks
Yeah I like these. I run the 110gr V-Max up to 2400fps from a 10.5" barrel with Alliant 300-MP for range and other uses. And I keep it right at 2000fps for HD. Although I prefer to use the Barnes 110gr black tips for defensive use. Those I run back up to 2400/2350.
Another great video. Keep up the fine work!!
MatteoSixSeventyFour Legit.
MatteoSixSeventyFour You are running these rounds at that velocity without going over listed charge weights and pressure??
MatteoSixSeventyFour I killed my biggest buck in November with this same bullet in the 300 blackout. It weighed about 215 pounds and his score was 147” if that tells you anything. Would’ve went completely through him if it were completely broadside. Didn’t wait because he was moving fast.
2200fps or it’s a pistol
@@nightsinorebro2741 what the fuck are you talking about clown… people like you are the reason why we need to have abortions stay legal …. People like u are fucking pure toxic assholes that need to be smacked in the mouth and putt back in their place real talk?
Not to Mention what you said literally makes no sense, feet per second have nothing to do with pistol versus rifles! my 300 blackout is technically a pistol because of the barrel length it still shoots at over 2300 ft./s with hornady vmax rounds so what of it ? U do people like u insist on poking at the hive ?
Most guys seem to comfortably get these going 2150 fps from a 9 inch barrel. After that, pressure signs increase.
Now, out of a 16 inch barrel, these easily push 2400 fps and be on par in power to a 7.62x39mm carbine. The impact velocity in this video has got to be the equivalent of a carbine from about 150 yards
I'm curious about your load data... powder used, charge weight, and C.O.A.L ... THX
I would love to see this round compared to the golden standard Barnes Tac-TX in 110gr.
Seems like this might actually be a little better for home defense, just in terms of over-penetration
Great comparison. I'd like to see that too.
I used Hornady 110GR SP loads for 300blckout and it works exactly like the V-Max results you get here, I actually shot a deer in the chest with it and it did not pass through but the fragments peppered the opposite side ribs with about 20 fragments and liquefied the organs into a Gel. pretty messy but was effective. However is does not pass through bone so I stopped using this round for hunting.
Which SP are you referring to, Hornady Varmint's? I would assume that soft point bullets are much more likely to pass through bone than plastic tipped bullets, seeing as the latter are much more explosively expanding, except for perhaps lead-free plastic tipped bullets.
Pretty sure this 110 V-Max is one of the best loads for 300 blackout… for the price I don’t see what you’d be able to get differently for a home defense self-defense scenario which is what 300 blackout was made for not hunting deer lol 😂
What about 300 Blackout 110 gr GMX Full Boar? Would that be overkill for home defense out of an 8 inch barrel?
Hi. Nice video. I just bought a box of Nosler 110 grain Varmaggedon ammo. Their length is very short compared to my 125 grain Sig Sauer ammo. Will this cause feeding problems in my gen 3 pmags? Thank you, Fred.
I just buy the Hornady Vmax 110 grain out of my 10.5” suppressed rifle the cavitation is devastating. I prefer the subsonics as they are quieter for home defense however this is absolutely fantastic if your protecting your family and property.
Every animal ive shot with this bullet has dropped in its tracks. Shot from factory hornady ammo i see higher velocities from a 9 inch barrel.
What have you shot with this round?
Andrew, between the V-max and Barnes tac-tx, which do you think is better for defense?
In the factory loading, I get 2250 fps in a 10.5” barrel. I don’t have access to ballistics gel, but it “vaporized” a 10 pound watermelon and 1gal water bottle. I didn’t recover any bullet fragments larger than a bb. 2250 may be too fast for this projo.
I've recently (06/2023) gotten into the .300BO. I had been looking for something in a caliber that was 100 to 150 yards, or better. I didn't want to go with a 5.56/.223, because of barrel length. At first, I didn't care for the "AR pistol" route.
Then I stumbled upon a great deal on a complete .300 upper. And no sooner, I purchased the upper, the government atf boys, said "THE pistol brace are illegal, now. So, I lost interest but finished the put-together. Then the brace is legal again, and I slowly got into the 300BO, and it has not disappointed, y'all!!
The only downside is that ammo is expensive.
Any chance of possibly testing out the new Hornady 300blk 190 grain subsonic expanding sub-x flex tip ammo?
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Yes the subx please. I’m very excited to see how it performs.
I wish you would also do a rifle distance test. Just in case someone wanted to use a rifle for rifle distances.
File this under "Huh". It's been a while since I've shot my .300blk - I have a few hundred rounds of this stuff squirreled away. Time to do some testing of my own. Thanks!
PikeyScott Its a great round just some of it gets loaded with light charges and waters it down. I drive the piss outta these things with my handloads and they are devastating!!
@@Marcus2750-u1t huh ? English
@@mrgrump2534 what do you mean huh? Do you understand english? Off the shelf ammo is loaded weak, watered down a lot…. I hand load and drive them much harder and get better accuracy and velocity…… not hard to understand?
Should the Freedom Munitions 110gr Vmax perform similarly (now that they are running hotter loads) rated at 2200fps out of a 16" barrel?
interested to see 125gr .308 GMX from the 30-06 at 100-150yards into gel and chronographed.
150 grain SST @ 1900 is what my Blackout likes. I wonder how they expand...?
Thank you! I've been wanting to see how this round would perform in gel.
I killed my biggest buck in November with this same bullet in the 300 blackout. It weighed about 215 pounds and his score was 147” if that tells you anything. Would’ve went completely through him if it were completely broadside. Didn’t wait because he was moving fast.
What about Speer 130 Varmint and 125 TNT HP? Good for self defense in 300BO?
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if you could get the fiocci 125gr sst's in 300blk that ould be badass.
you can, Fiocchi loads them and you can find them for about 65 cents/round. I took a doe with the 125 SST this year. It worked but I wasn't super impressed. 60 yard shot, I put the bullet right behind the shoulder blade, clean pass thru. Deer ran 30 yards and stopped for a look so I took a follow up shot to the neck and dropped her. I've always hunted with a .308 so maybe it's my perspective thats the problem, I'm used to anything I shoot under 300 yards dropping where it stands. I hate tracking deer.
Henry Schmitz totally sucks. I also refuse to shoot a dear with anything less than 308. 300 Blackout is good for bipedal creatures not foor legged ones of your requirements include dropping game immediately..
@@sttvoyager1727 what is a bipedal creature like a human?
With Lil gun powder you can get to 2400+ fps with a 16" at max load. That would be an Interesting test to fire a max velocity load and then a slower round in one test to show the penetration different.
Ehh not really it would not be much diff
Wouldn't a car jacker or porch pirate be considered a varmint?
At that close range my 1911 w/jhp will tear shit up. I use that and a 300 blk for home and personal defense. I use the 110 v max in my rifle and have no reason to believe it won't take care of business.
Invasive species atleast at this point...
Hornady has this loading moving 2375 fps. I'd like to see what that looks like in ballistic jell at 100 yards. I might use it for deer if it retains the velocity out at range. I'm gonna test it on some groundhogs and see what kind of damage I get out of it.
2375 would be out of a 16" barrel. The velocity of this gel test near the muzzle should be almost what velocity out of a 16" would be at 100 yards so you probably are already looking at the gel test of a 100 yard 16" barrel test.
I just chronoed it and plugged it into a ballistics calculator. You can expect the results of this gel test (impact velocity of 1934) to be comparable to what you would get at 165 yards using a 16" barrel. My 7 shot average velocity was 2400 fps.
@@cristianespinal9917 Shot them at milk jugs 200 yds muzzle velocity 16 inch bolt gun 2500 fps fragmented quite a bit.
@@ians1464 from your results, what do you think about it for use on medium game like deer? Useable, or was the fragmentation too explosive to where it's better kept for varmints?
@@cristianespinal9917 but you just seen that it is good just download it a little bit or use a shorter barrel lol
y take someone’s word you don’t even know over a video you just watched? Ill take a video over someone’s here say any day
Man in my opinion, a .30 anything moving at that speed is going to be a bad day
Tell that to the 23 fallow deer I've dropped with this load. All chest shots.
Only issue is moving targets. A lot of lead is required.
Hello from Australia!
Do a test of 110 grain vital-shok in .30-06
Great video. I would love to get your thoughts on using the ammo inc, 110 grain vmax which I think pretty much is Hornady, Hornady 110 grain VMAX For home defense. My gun is the DDM4 PDW ar15 300 blackout. 7 1/2 inch barrel 1:7 twist. I’ve been looking at subsonic 200+ grain, and Hornady sub x subsonic for expanding home defense use, but I also would like to buy in bulk a bullet that I can use at the range for hunting and for home defense if need be. My opinion is the 110grain Vmax is probably one of the best all-around all purpose bullets. Thoughts? For my specific gun? Plus subsonic 200+ grain ammo is ridiculous price right now at least two dollars per bullet, where I can pick up 110 grain VMAX for a dollar a bullet from ammo Inc..
Freedom munitions $.80 per round… they have fixed the gunpowder problem they are not slow anymore I have seen this tested myself I have 500 rounds of it right now and they all perform perfectly… a buddy of mine tested the velocity on around 5-6 of my vmax rounds I recently got from freedom munitions and they were all 2250 and above so there’s no reason to hate on freedom plus I’ve used their 147 grain FMJ for practice/range time all the time at $.62 per round that’s cheap I don’t care what you say they go bang literally every time and i’ve never been able to get any blackout ammo that cheap anywhere else!
Have you tested the Sierra 110 hp and 125 game changer?
Good choice 👌
Interesting.I was wondering how these would do at self defense with 5.56. I had hoped it might be very effective, but I guess not.
Yes same here. I would like to know if the Fiocchi vmax 556 are good for home defense
How come you set the gel block so close?
Id love to see this done with the Speer 130gr HPs (2005)... they are fairly inexpensive and marketed as a .308 varmint bullet
They kill
I have yet to see a 300 Blackout video with a 16 inch barrel or longer.
Bc thats whack!
Any plans to test hornady black 110gr vmax load? If nothing else, it'd be nice to have a velocity reading out of an 8" setup.
out of the 16.5 ruger american those pills expand real fast leave really insane exits... on hares and foxes absolute destruction
Try using lil gun 21 grains should be pushing 2400 fps
I’m curious about how various factory loads of this compare to your hand load
I know this is old but….the reason I’m a Hornady fan boy is because of their consistence. Hornady will never have the best round….but it will ALWAYS perform the way that it’s designed. I have been putting my life on it for 15 years, and it will never change. For the money….can not beat it.
1:11, but is it a good duck hunting round?
Try the Nossler 110 gr Varmeggedon
Did you crimp these?
Has anyone found any testing done on the 110gr Vmax at higher velocities? I'm working with the Ammo Inc 110gr Vmax load because its available locally and doesn't break my bank ($1.00 per round or slightly less). It's shooting acceptably well (less than 2MOA) and runs around 2500 fps out of my 16" carbine and 2300 out of my 10.5" PSA upper. I'm thinking of trying it for a hunting round (200 yds max for the carbine, and 100 for the pistol). I'd love to see this bullet tested at 2100 fps, and in the 2350-2400 range as that would be representative of shots that are under 50 yds for me. On properties where I'd be willing to leave my 24" Grendel at home and take one of the blackouts, most shot opportunities are in the sub 50yd range.
Then again, one option is to take the Grendel, but get a folding stock and throw the pistol in a backpack :)
Never mind. Miculek ran the Hornady load out of a 16" He didn't run them over a chrono, but the info is close enough for what I need to know.
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I load this same bullet for my 300blk but I use 20 gr. of H110 and I have a 16" barrel
18.3 in converted LC brass. 10.5 barrel average velocity 2125 5 shots 15fps spread. Very accurate.
Great test. Comparing this result to the result of the old Chopping Block test of Freedom Munition's 110 grain V-Max load, what would you estimate the ideal defensive velocity envelop is? The Freedom Munitions load was too slow to expand and was a crummy performer and you state much faster than this might risk shallow, varmint-esque performance.
If I remember the frag/expansion velocity for these is 1750ish or so. I'd say 1900-2200 is probably a good range
I’ve got the 110 Vmax from freedom munitions and they open up just fine, not sure if you had a defective rifle or what not or maybe you’re talking about years ago and they fixed the problem by now Maybe because I’ve got about 500 rounds of the stuff and they all are pretty new looking and I did a five shot test and they were all over 2200 ft./s wich is plenty fast enough lol
I did hear that years ago when they first came out they had a problem with the gunpowder they were using or something like that but they have sense fixed this issue so don’t be scared to order from them again they have great prices even on 300 blackout pack of ammo I think like 63 cents a round for new 147 gr fmj s wich is dirt cheap compared to anything I’ve seen online
Hi, please excuse my ignorance, but I was wondering the difference between the previous video you posted on the 110gr Vmax and this current one. The previous one didn't expand reliably, were as this one did great. Is it just a product of the lower velocity on the other video?Thanks for all the testing you do.
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Michael McCalister Exactly. Just the lower velocity. Freedom Munitions was loading those very light. I want to say like 1,700 fps off the top of my head.
I was also wondering this.
I handloads these same bullets along with 125gr SSTs and 110gr Sierra HPs.
I get 2350fps for 125gr and 2400fps on 110gr reliably out of a 16" barrel.
@@chopinbloc they have since fixed the problem tho… so everyone knows I have personally seen this with my own two eyes 2200 was the average on 5 shots out of a 10.5 wich surprise me since it wasn’t a 16 inch barrel !!
@@mrgrump2534 that's good to hear.
The 125gr hornady sst does better for defense
ANDREW! LETs GEL TEST COMPARE EITHER THE HORNADY AMERICAN EAGLE or FRONTIER 125gr's NEXT. -- AGAINST THE 110gr V-MAX... VERRRRRY CURIOUS TO SEE THE DIFFERENCES!!! IN FACT: LETs DO -BOTH! WHY ONLY ONE. : ))
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What about comparing it to the Nosler 110 varmageddon? Ive used the varmageddon on prairie dogs from 50-175 yds with fairly bad results, you could literally hear the round hit the dog but everyone of them would just run off. When i examined the holes there was very little blood. Ive seen 22lr perform better. So i would say that it should perform differently then the Horandy from my experience. Anyways keep up the good work. Also the 125 sst would be good to see, my wife shot a doe at 85 yds with my blk out this year went through both front leg bones and a piece of the heart i was pretty impressed with it.
spielmitmir59923 What velocity was that Varmageddon at? I plan to test it soon.
The Chopping Block It was factory Nosler varmageddon it says 2150 on the box I didn’t get a chance to chrono them to verify though.
spielmitmir59923 I wonder if it just has a longer neck and didn't really begin expanding until it exits. I guess we'll find out.
The nosler is bonded and from my experience has much better weight retention but performs almost identical otherwise
Your wife hunts with you? Eww she must be hella joe butch lmao 🤣 of-course u will deny it.
bless ure heart child lol
i used 110gr vmax on hares and god damn did they expand... they blew 3 fist size holes through em even at lower velocities
The Arfcom store doesn't show any listings for uppers. Is that an error with the website or is nothing for sale at the moment?
LoneWanderer360 I'm not sure. I know they are working on reorganizing the store.
They oughta work for two-legged varmints!
Because of the "Economy of Scale, I use 125 grain TNT"s for most things, 300 Blackout. Seems a Varmint Bullet would be ideal for SD application. Humans are pretty soft targets, even the 300 pounder. My load dropped a 130 lb hog, and that hide is tougher than any mans. I get better velocity from my 10.5, and with a slightly heavier bullet, the results should be consistently fatal.
Good logic … where would you recommend getting these 125 grainers? I use freedom munitions and palmetto sometimes
@@mrgrump2534 I'm a reloader, so I get the 125 grain TNT's in cases of 500 from Midway or any other online source. I have loaded 110 V-Max that are screaming close to the magic 2400 fps from my 16 inch 300. No doubt devastating from my 10.5 at CQB ranges.
Absolutely devastating
How did this test end up so different from your Chopping Block test of the Freedom Munitions with the same 110gr V-MAX? Or is this a different bullet with the same weight?
250-300 fps more than the Freedom Munitions load. Same bullet.
Freedom munitions has since fixed this problem, there 110 grain Vmax now runs 2250 fps out of a 10.5 barrel
125gr sst's work far better... at 2050fps too..
Fired from a 308win at 3200 fps these bullets will be hitting 2150 (black out mv) at 300 yds. which is typical varmint range. They would be just fine for two legged varmints at close (justifiable self defense) ranges. No real advantage over 125 to 150 supersonic expanding bullets. You can only be so dead.
I disagree … I would rather use these in a self-defense scenario where there may be innocent bystanders… let’s be honest if I’m grabbing my rifle ! well penetration or expansion is the least of my concerns and i’ll probably just be using fmj at that point because of the barrier blindness of an FMJ round incase they are behind cover
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would like to see this test repeated with 4 layers of denim
People are varmints too
I'd be concerned with inconsistent performance. This one was good, but it might be the best you can expect.
No that’s with any test my dude why are you trying to shit on his results I’ve seen this test done multiple times and it’s always the same results
I do not understand the love affair with Star Wars clothes. Space Balls is a better movie, by far.
it makes up for the total and utter lack of physical conditioning.
Hey now shoot it in full power in a 308 in gel show us what it does.
It would vaporize the block ha ha
Itd be like a grinder.
Maybe even reduce M.V. a hair to try to get 14" penetration?
Nope it’s perfect as is
This performance vs that lame ass Freedom Munitions crap.
110gr is cool and all. Try it at 250yds
I hate videos like this. Makes it hard to find what I load.
That gel is useless to us you can't 👀 anything!
Stop all tests with other penetration blocks... come on please get proper equipment and supplies.
Again don’t watch if u don’t like what u see … if you’re not willing to donate money for him to get better equipment shut your mouth
Just a lousy 4 min. Video, And just one shot, in old jel, And no load data? Talk about a waste of time!.