You contradicted yourself. The initial expansion of the bullet produced astonishing expansion. More expansion. Nothing out there compares! Are you someone's shill?
Lol. It sounds that way because I hadn't seen the projectile or the high speed yet. The disturbance seen in gelatin is normally somewhat indicative of the actual TSC observed on high speed, but there are occasional discrepancies. The TSC on the high speed is good, but not as impressive as it appeared in the gel. In this context, the performance was pretty good, but because the expansion was modest, that indicates that adding light barriers or more distance might induce a failure. Again, this load in these conditions performed okay, but other loads have done better. The Barnes TAC-TX or the Hornady V-Max, both in 110gr and loaded by any company that pushes them to about 2,000 fps or so would be much better choices and they are widely available. Other good choices would be Sig 120gr HT, Lehigh 110gr Controlled Chaos, and Nosler 110gr Varmaggedon.
300 blackout gives you the punch of a 30 cal at supersonic and punch of a 45 at subsonic and designed to be suppressed. A lot of Texans would disagree with you as it pertains to hunting. Great versatile option!
@@briangreen550 Texan here😂I definitely agree with most of this. The 45 at subsonic for sure. Decent for hunting yeah. The 30 cal at super sonic is a yes and no. He’s not wrong that a cheap steel cased 7.62x39 soft point does perform quite a bit better than the best 300 blk that you can find for just a fraction of the cost. If cost was not a factor, the 300 blk would definitely be my pick since I believe that its versatility and suppression capabilities make up for its lesser ballistic performance, but some people just can’t afford it.
I thought it performed very well. When you have a preconceived bias against something, it's easy to point out shortcomings and overlook the advantages.
I admit 300 blackout is a niche round that fits my niche. I live in IL. This is a legal pistol deer cartridge in IL. I can't do SBR in IL, but I can do an AR pistol with stabilizer brace. I can have a loaded pistol in my vehicle with my CCW permit. In a AR pistol I would rather have 300 blackout than 5.56.
Man you all have some messed up and pretty arbitrary gun and hunting laws in IL, but I do like your style! No rifles for hunting, but a braced pistol is fine, lol!
@@chopinbloc I believe that would fly here in the great state of Kentucky as well. I guess there would be a 10 link maximum on the belt for hunting purposes here... but neither of our states known for having convoluted and arbitrary restrictions on hunting equipment that inevitably lead to innovative workarounds that thumb their noses at the system like the one described by Mr. Heine.
Call me crazy. But that was pretty damn impressive! If someone wanted to keep fighting after being shot with that. Your probably pretty screwed anyways.
Yes at very close range but the problem with 300BO is that most projectiles drop below expansion threshold velocity very quickly. Like he said, it fires projectiles designed around the 308 and 30-06. Generally, most rifle projectiles need about 1900 fps to expand and the 300 BO drops below that pretty quickly. IMO the 300BO is a pointless cartridge. I don’t care about the subsonic capabilities of it. A rifle that generates 400 ft lbs of energy is kind of silly. Why bother. You might as well just throw a can on your 45. What gets me are the morons that shoot deer with subsonic 300BO loads.
@@strat1080 I strongly believe the US Military would disagree with the statement “300 is a pointless cartridge”. This cartridge is utilized for close quarter combat and has been proven very effective, thousands of times. But Maybe you can convince them that it is “silly”. This cartridge was not meant to replace or even compete with the 556. They are both used in different situations and both are effective in which hey are designed for.
I love the AR-15 with 7½" 300 AAC barrel. I got pretty decent results with Winchester 150gr. Deer Season ballistic tips. I didn't use gelatine. But it knocked a hole straight through a 200lb wild boar. No projectile was recovered. It dropped like a ton of ACME bricks.
The 300 Blackout was designed for best suppressor performance, all while being fully compatible with the AR15 platform. It was never meant to compete against larger powder-capacity cartridges (so it should not be compared to them).
It is , It was never meant to replace 556, it's a replacement for 9mm sub guns. You run this instead of an mp5 not instead of an m4a1, not to mention that the velocity may be slower but it impacts with more energy than 556. And you have the ability to run the subs which are extremely quiet
The 5.56 loses a lot of its performance when fired from a shorter barrel. The 300 AAC is a better option for use with a shorter barrel and for pistol ranges. That said, it is still limited to its given role. When used outside of that usecase, rounds such as the aforementioned 5.56 can perform better. It all comes down to what you are trying to do.
@@LatestHour from my understanding, 300 AAC has more bullet drop. This is in part due to the differences in velocity. The greater bullet drop makes distance a weakness of 300 AAC. Energy might still be superior with the round but it makes little difference if you miss your shot. 300 AAC is a great round and I have an AR in that caliber myself, but it's not for all usecases. This is with typical ballistics from 16" barrels. Both sets of ballistics results I found were from that length.
Is it lethal at the designed ranges? Yes Would you like to get shot with it? No Thats why I use .22. Cuz if you dont want to get shot with it, it means it works.
300 has its place and is probably the best HD choice. Super versatile and performs great at 9" with a can. Love my 5.56's but my 300 is by the bed, not up for debate.
I went 300blk because I wanted a short to med range all purpose rifle. I can use it for defense, range time or hunting. While 223 isn't illegal to hunt with in Michigan, the 300blk performs much like the 30-30 does inside 200yards. Most hunting ranges are at most 150yds. Mines a 16inch, pistol length setup. You gain a near 200 extra fps in a 16 over something short. The 110gr round is amazing for hunting. Just ordered me another box of barnes 110gr vor-TX Plus the ability to go to 223 with just a barrel swap is a must in a SHTF event since 223/556 is much more abundant
I guess I’m the oddball but I actually like using a 16” barrel for my Blackout. With handloads, I get very consistent performance with H110 and Nosler 125 gr Accubonds. Gives me a max effective range of about 220 yds which is sufficient for anything I’d hunt with it.
I too am an oddball. I'm running a 16" Faxon Firearms barrel I bought for $100. I'm getting an average of 2310 fps out of my 110gr Varmageddon handloads with Ramshot Enforcer. Sub moa groups out to 100 yards and I don't plan on shooting past 200 yards with 300 blackout.
@@andrewcarlton9081 You have good results using 110 gr projectiles and Enforcer? That is very good to know ... I had not tried any loads with Enforcer powder. THANKS! I won't criticize the gentleman who made the video above. I won't. I won't ... the hell I won't-- Obviously not an expert regarding this cartridge, and a lout insulting other enthusiasts. Sad.
My first AR was a 16” 300blk. I’ve never gone shorter than 14.5 pinned. I love seeing and hearing the power difference from a supersonic 300blk smashing into steel from a 16” barrel. Absolutely night and day from any 5.56 loading.
@@nickrockz97 xm193 might come out of a 5.56 AR with 8 inch barrel at 2500. Most 5.56 bullets are gonna be around 2200-2300fps with 55-62 grain and heavier 5.56 in high 60s and 70gr range will be around 2000-2100fps
I dont know why anyone gets so emotional over a certain caliber .They are tools and toys sometimes both .Just get them all so you have the rite tool for the job .
I know, a dealer of mine swore by the 300 and gave me all the info on why its great, its performance serves a purpose but it could be cheaper. I'm a fan but I'm the type of guy to get a 7.62x 39 as well.
If you compare 300blk to 7,62x39 out of 10,5" barrels, then they are very close in performance. The shorter the barrel better the 300blk gets, the longer the better the AK gets. The 7,62x39 case has less pressure and slower burning powder but more case volume - it is designed for 41,5cm (16,3") barrels. In fact you cannot say it is the bigger brother unless you talk about the environment compared. Greetings from Germany and thanks for the video.
I wish you would physically test a 16” barrel for us in Hawai’i where we can’t own AR pistols or SBR’s. That is the reason that we would own a 300 Blackout in a 16” barrel, because we have to.
You can estimate that a longer barrel = more velocity = more expansion and less penetration as a general rule for hollow point designs considering all things equal besides barrel length.
Why can't you own it? Do you not have the protections of the 2nd Ammendment? SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means something. Too many of us are all too willing to abide by UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws.
Looks like the performance of 7.62x39 out of an 8" barrel. The problem is that people base 300 SBR performance to carbine 7.62x39 performance. The velocities are identical when you get down to 8"
I mean, I get your point, but you're always going to have someone take issue when you use absolute terms like "identical". 7.62x39mm has more case capacity than 7.62x35mm, and not just because of the extra 4mm of length. The more sharply tapered case results in a significant increase in volume.
@@chopinbloc I agree. The main difference is case capacity and type of powder used. Since 300 uses faster burning powders, it gets more out of a short barrel and alot less muzzle flash
@@chopinbloc Shoot 7.62x39 out of an 8" barrel, you get less velocity, more flash, and somehow somewhere they'll be people saying it's way more powerful.
@@chopinbloc Are there factory 7.62x39 loads that have the same fast powders? I don't know any. As far as I know, they all use slower rifle powders optimized for longer barrels. Now, if we're talking about handloads, then you're talking about a round that would cost as much as a 300 handload.
First off, I'm not a tactical guy but a hunter. I personally believe, out of a 16" barrel and a max distance off 100 yards it would be a good deer hunting round. Thanks for sharing the review 👍
I didn't care much for 300 myself until I learned how to load my own and the reason I started loading is when I got a Chrono and seen what this watered down crap there selling is doing
@@skaterking225 Sorry, but the 300 equals or exceeds the energy of the AK. I wish people would stop using pistol builds when testing supersonic rounds; use a 16" barrel like the AK.
also the ballistic coefficient of the 300blk allow it to retain more energy at a distance. Therefore the longer the shot the greater the energy advantage of the 300 blk over AK.
It doesn't have the energy of an AK, at least not at the muzzle. At the muzzle, 7.62x39 has somewhere between 150 and 200 more ftlbs of energy when they're both fired out of the same length of barrel. 7.62x39 holds 5-7 more grains of powder than 300 blackout, if you're gonna tell me that's the same thing, you're kidding yourself. Not to mention the main reason people buy 7.62x39 is the price of ammunition, everyone knows it doesn't have the best BC. You're comparing $0.19 per round to $0.60 per round, the fact that they're even in the same ballpark should be embarrassing to 300blk.
Seems the dude doing the video is a “yoot” and doesn’t even try to hide his nonsensical defensive stance. What do I mean? The “yoot” tried to discredit anyone who may disagree as a .300blk fanboy. Preconceived notions and t hi s defensive stance...Considering TODAY people are making low velocity bullets expand. Fact of the matter is. The people who are smart enough to use this caliber for purposes that make it useful, are using the rounds suited to their purposes. Piss poor as far as I’m concerned.
if you were on the receiving end of that round there is no way you could continue on an assault of the person that delivered that fatal blow! It was designed to be a very powerful and effective round for close quarters combat, and it does exactly what is was designed to do. It is my go to home defense choice.
Pedals not opening all the way from a ballistics shooter point of view may make this round appear inferior, but the cavitation it produces from a doctors point of view make it a VERY lethal round regardless of what the tip looks like after you pry it out of gelatin.
You’re missing the point of course. It’s a 9mm replacement that versatile with being able to carry mags of supers and subs not a .223 or .308 replacement.
Total agreement here. I started dozing off at the mention of .300 Blackout about six or eight weeks after the initial hype started, and now that I know just how pathetically someone can make a .30 caliber slug "perform" and still get it to clear the case mouth, I'm even less interested. If I want a .30 slug, I'll grab my Mauser. If I want an itty bitty pill, I've got my 5.56 AR and my 10/22 and High Standard. When it comes to deliberately subsonic, well, let's hope Miday/AR Stoner gets the problem with my SOCOM upper worked out.
😂😂😂. And I Somehow have a 16" 300AAC" 😂😂😂 It is a effective 100 or < tree stand gun on deer. And drops hogs like a sack! 😂😂 PS.... I "somehow own a 8.5 also! 🤠
It was designed to be both. There aren’t many other calibers (probably none at all) that will allow you to run both supers and subs from the same gun with no adjustment.
I killed 2 Whitetail with this round yesterday. One at 75, the second right at 100 yds. Buck was running at 75 and balled up on impact...dead. Doe was standing at 100 yds and she died in her tracks. Neither projectile exited either deer. And the vital organs of both were absolutely WRECKED on the inside. All-in-all, a great round in my opinion!
I'm a fan of 300 blk. Own 3 uppers. That being said, this didnt piss me off. The only thing that pisses me of is the fudd like way of hating this caliber. It was designed to replace the 9mm sub guns. It does that beautifully. I get excited by pdw type weapons. There is no better caliber for a pdw that I known of. Anyway, how are you and my favorite internet dog doing? Lol.
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS getting ready to head out to the property in the morning. Trying to find that big buck that keeps showing up on my trail camera. How's things going over there?
@@2wheeleddemon999 I've got a married woman currently knocking on my door as I write this comment. She is literally stalking me at this point. Lol. Besides that, I'm ok. Good luck with the buck brother. If you get him and have the time, take a video for us :)
Try some Lehigh Defense controlled chaos or maximum expansion 300 blackout ammo with this test and I think you will find the results you were looking for.
ruclips.net/video/4J7kgpIaGeI/видео.html 400lb hog taken with .22lr subsonic. Instant death from head shot... NOT a "ear hole" shot... lol I swear, people and their caliber .300BO hype. Lmfao
@Frank Deckard it's a good thing he didn't say anything about that. I shouldn't put twords in his mouth, but I think he's just pointing out the fact that just because a given load killed an animal doesn't mean it is suitable for defense.
I am sure that it will take the ammo manufacturers a few years to optimise the round, look how long they worked on 9mm ammo before we got to our current offerings.
Motoguzzi2231 Exactly. For all the hate blackout gets it’s one of the few niche calibers that made it. It didn’t succeed commercially because it sucks.
The .300 blackout cartridge was designed to replace PCC’s such as the MP5, the Kriss vector, the tommy gun, the UMP and the such. While the sub Sonics are quiet and act like a spicey .45 that can penetrate soft body armor, while the supersonic light rounds are designed to reach out much like an AK(with an 8” barrel). The spec ops use the .300 blackout for CQB and stealth missions, but if they gotta go loud and get more range and power, they can switch to super Sonics. This niche is good for someone trying to protect their home without blowing out everyone’s ears. It’s especially good for people who live on a bit of property to defend because of the versatility. It may not have the power of a .308, but its half the size of an AR-10 too. And its more powerful than 5.56 with a comparable length barrel. I just got the Winchester silvertips for .300 blackout and am curious to see how it does in gel. Maybe a test of that, since its new to 2021
I love my 16" Carbine gas 300 Blk Out! The extra 200fps plus I'd get would make that 120 grain bullet expand quite nicely! Maybe you should do a vid with it out of a 16"! That wound cavity even out of your short barrel was impressive! Also my go to round for everything stopping power is the Speer 130 gr HP 2200 fps. Devastating round! At 1790 fps that is a pretty weak loading even out of your shorty!
These shorter barrel AR pistol/sbr tests are a really good application for both showing how these platforms perform in self defense from said firearms AND demonstrating how they will impact at typical closer hunting ranges from rifle length barrels that the 300 BLK gets used. Like 16" barreled carbine rifles for hogs. This load wouldn't be terrible for hogs inside 75-100 yards, bordering ideal almost even due to coppers ability to hold together even through more solid tissue and bone.
I don't get it , this performed better than the 77 gr OTM imi ammo you tested on 11/15. this has a sorter neck, 1.5" vs 3" , bigger stretch cavity , and about the same penetration at just over 9" . any way you slice it , that performance is great for short range defense. you won't get that out of any 9mm or 45 . this load has to have close to 1000ft lb of energy to dump . sure it's not a 308, but it is more managable out of an 8" barrel gun. the recoil was low enough to allow fast recovery and followup . This means it fits into the niche that the m1 carb fits into . a GREAT option to a handgun for close quarters defense , out to up to 100yds. With soft point bullets that expand rapidly . It is not a long range battle rifle , and the bad reputation the m1 carb got was from trying to us it as a long range battlefield rifle with FMj bullets. nobody tries to to that with the 300 blackout .
No, go back and look at the actual size of the temporary stretch cavity on high speed. the 77gr SMK is larger. The appearance of the gel should be taken with a grain of salt. The purpose of the gel is to produce penetration, expansion/fragmentation, and retained weight measurements that correlate closely with real soft tissue, not to simulate the appearance of a wound. That said, you should compare this to other .300 AAC or to other solid copper hollow point in 5.56mm. In those cases, refer to 110gr VMAX and 50gr TSX respectively.
@@forestgrump2168 lol. I may take it up with him. ;-) Those numbers are a rough assessment of the appearance of the gel for comparison. But the high speed video shows you what's actually going on. I've explained in previous videos that the disturbance in the gel should only be considered in a very general way. You should view these videos as you would a television series. I simply can't restate every thing every episode. I'm sorry that leaves some gaps for you.
I just chrono'ed some of these out of a 16" barrel. With a 5-shot string using a LabRadar, I got an Average of 2,181 fps. Min: 2167; Max: 2204; ES:37; Std Dev: 14.1. I plugged my results into a ballistic calculator and the calculator shows that my 2181 average 16" bbl velocity drops to exactly your 1889 average 8" bbl velocity at 95 yards. This confirming your assertion that your results approximately reflect 100 yard performance from a 16" bbl. I may still use this for hunting, since my typical shots on deer are well within 100 yards, and usually under 70, at which distance it should still be going 1950 (based on the lowest velocity I got). I also have Hornady V-MAX 110 grain loads, but they may be going too fast for that bullet. I'd worry about explosive fragmentation at the high velocities I'm getting, and potentially terrible performance if I hit the shoulder bone. That said, I'll likely only use this rifle next season if I can't get any reasonably priced .270 Win ammo or components.
300 blackout is meant to replace MP5 for QBC. Which 5.56 performs poorly since it does not suppress well. Plus when the special forces leave the building they have longer range by simply switching magazines.
I've had trouble getting the Sig 120 to expand reliably out of my 8.3" barrel. In my testing I've had much more reliability using the Barnes 110gr Tac-TX
AlphaRomeo-OneFive I’ve seen a few of your videos, great content. I really should buy at least 3 boxes of the Barnes to try out. I finally bought some 77gr TMK for my 11.5” 5.56 last week. Anything over $1/round really starts to eat up the funds, even in low quantities.
@@hooterboy12345 Thanks I appreciate that. Yeah some of these hunting and self defense rounds will take a chunk out of the wallet for sure. The round I'm reviewing tonight I think I got on sale for a $1.70 a round. I bought two boxes originally, to test and review then picked up two more. It's definitely not something I can personally afford to stockpile on at that price!
AlphaRomeo-OneFive If I ever end up in a gun fight, I want to give myself the best odds possible. So only the best ammo will do, regardless of price (and of course adequate training on my part) I subscribed, so I’ll keep a eye out for your uploads!
Dude… that round decimated that gel. Seems perfectly suitable for home defense. You gun bros never cease to amaze me. At some point in the future I’m sure 50 BMG will only suffice for you people.
It penetrated and expanded. Good. The expansion, while not exemplary, looks to be around .45" to .5" That doesn't suck, just not ideal. The temporary stretch cavity is quite good for a anything in what might be considered a 'pistol.'
I use Adobe Premiere to do the majority of the editing and Paul uses Premiere and After Effects to finish up. Most of the graphics and transitions are in After Effects. The color key is in Premiere.
@@chopinbloc Hey thank you for the quick response and the information! You just got yourself a new subscriber over at The Chopping Block, keep up the great work guys!!
People have been trying to crap on the 300BLK since it came out.....its a good round for it's intended purpose. It makes complete sense if you have a 5.56 AR to also have a 300BLK upper. It makes even more sense to have it in a short upper. If you reload...the 300 is just a necked 5.56 case....another plus....uses the same magazines....another plus. It is superior suppressed...it performs great out to about 200yards...even better at CQB distances. The ammo isn't as expensive as it once was...and it's available. I already had a 5.56 AR...bought a 300blk upper...I already had a AK47 and a SKS in 7.62x39...bought a AR47 upper....just made sense to me.... but what do I know....carry on.
Lots of people have. The black is just the 110 SST, which is a very popular hunting round. Lots of pics out there of wound tracks in dead deer and hogs in addition to the usual gel tests. It's an effective round for deer, people, pigs, and coyotes.
When you do penetration test with clothing, can you maybe do one with a Carhart jacket, hoodie, and t-shit combo. It's winter in Alaska, and that's what most dirt heads wear. Thanks
Clothing has no significant effect on penetration except to the degree that it can prevent or reduce expansion in pistol calibers. Clothing typically does not prevent expansion at rifle speeds.
The advantage of 300 blackout is in the subsonic realm (aside from the fact it works on exsisting platforms with only a barrel change). If you compare it to a 45 Acp or subsonic 9mm it has better BC and would have more range. I'm not sure why you would try to push it past a couple of hundred meters/yards max. 300 blackout is fun to shoot suppressed. 300 blackout has been used very successfully on hog hunts in Texas.
Took a 300 acc using 110 gr barns deer hunting this year. No I will never use it for SD, nor will I ever plink other than to break in the barrel, but it's a great hunting round under 250 yards.
I think most people, like me, have a 16 in .300 BLK because we don't want to deal with sbr laws and can't buy a pistol yet. I also don't know at what age I can get an sbr. I still love my lil ar that could.
Eh, powder technology marches on, and SAAMI and CIP max pressures are both higher for .300 Blackout than for 7.62x39 (although the latter only slightly). In practice, as he sort of acknowledges in the video, the main issue with (a lot of) off-the-shelf .300 Blackout ammo (relative to 7.62x39) is not what the cartridge is capable of, but loadings that don't actually achieve what the cartridge is capable of.
To be clear: If you're cooking up some pissin' hawt loads (and your rifle can handle them), the max velocity you can get out of 7.62x39 is going to be higher, no question. But if you're constrained by official maximum pressures, case capacity may not be your limiting factor.
@@logitimate That's a very good point, with modern powders needing less capacity to produce the same pressure, case capacity with larger older cartridges really isn't an issue. With max pressures being higher the 300blk has more potential. Ya see the same thing comparing 45GAP to 45 ACP, or 308win to 30-06. And I'm sure dozens of other cartridges.
People forget I guess why 300 came about. It was not designed like most rounds. It was made so u can use same bolt and mags in ARs without needing huge changes on the rifles that are already fielded standard. So they worked within those parameters. With a barrel change u can run 556. Plus it silences nicely. I have a SIG Rattler and it can run a silencer and still be shorter than most rifles also. Next good attribute is ya can go hyper and sub sonic with a mag change. It's actually pretty versatile
For hunting; it's required to be a 16 inch barrel in some states like mine. Not hunting hogs, but I have 7 white tails on mine from several years. Barns 110. Great round, can't cut brush with it. Needs a heavier round.
You cannot compare velocities of different barrels; some barrels are fast, some slow. The only legitimate comparison is to take a long barrel, shoot some, cut it off and shoot some more. That takes barrel variations out of the equation.
I brought a .300 Blk rifle (16" barrel) to the field with Power Shoks this past season, but didn't get to try it out. Passed on a few small deer on opening day and after finding out how much a 1-point sling sucks in the field, left that rifle at home and punched my tag with my old reliable .270 bolt gun. Since I can't speak to terminal performance (which doesn't look bad in this test), I will say that my rifle shoots really nice, tight groups with the ammo, and it's much cheaper than the Barnes and Hornady stuff with Federal's rebate. I might use what I bought as decent practice ammo and buy a few boxes of the premium stuff before next season. Thanks for the video!
Just look at them old loads that were used back in the day 44-40 and 45 Colt cowboy loads still killing deer with complete pass through 200 to 250 lead cast bullet
I really enjoy your videos. I've recently started building my first .300 BLK. Admittedly the cartridge will never stack up to 7.62x39, and it missed its intended mark there. However, compared to other PDW's, SMGs, or pistol carbines, in the 50-200 meter range very few are as effective. Save, perhaps, the P90; and it's not as quiet. I think it's wiser to compare 300 BLK to a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
I liked this video bc I like your channel, and I want to help a brotha out. But this might be one of the most contradictory and most ridiculous videos you have done. And no, I do not own a 300blk nor am I a fanboy. But I mean...c'mon bruh.
5.56, 300 blackout, 7.62x39 are all great cartridges and each have their place. Personally I prefer my 300 blackout AR15 over my AK in 7.62x39. They are both great combat cartridges and rifles. I run a 16” barrel and don’t see the logic of folks saying they don’t know why you would have one. Does that mean you think it’s weird to have a AR in 5.56 with a 16” barrel? Absolutely not. The 300 blackout is just another tool in the toolbox. Good KE, good accuracy, and in a reliable AR platform with standard mags. A very versatile cartridge that is here to stay.
I guess that I'm just going to have to load my own 300 AAC to conduct a couple of experiments. I really want to see how fast we push a 90gr ballistic tip. And I want to do a full load workup and see what we can get out of M2 AP.
300 herpaderp does two things really well, subsonic heavies and ability to shoot meaningful cast bullet loads in an ar platform, you can shoot powder coated cast bullets for ultra dirt cheap, like 6-9 cents a round, so outside of a zombie boogacolypse revolution, its a range toy
Florida Man well to flip the coin my powder coated cast 9mm’s are literally cheaper than 22lr using scrounged lead and pickup brass, plus 9mm brass will last forever with those loads
@@chuckfinley3152 Yes sir. I do love 9mm for that purpose and pistols. I dont think I'll ever see a 9mm carbine as anything besides a rang toy. Even without 300 blk. For defense I would prefer a short barreled 556 over a 9mm carbine. Anyhow, merry Christmas Chuck :)
I liked, and for the record, I have 2 300BLK's with 16 inch barrels. 110 sierra Varminters jack up to full speed can work well, but for home defense, I like the Sierra 125 grain hollow point. It was made to work in a 30-30, so out a 16 inch you can get closer to it's intended speed. That, and for close range, ballistics mean very little. A word of caution here: 1) If you want to use these bullets, be sure to use 300blk mags. 2) Be sure to make certain your feed ramp is de-horned and smooth. Then make 10 without primers and powder and cycle then through your rifle to make sure they will 100% feed.
Valkyrie I’ll give you. Surprised it’s still around to be honest. I see more “why you don’t need .300 blackout” vids than anything. Wouldn’t call it overhyped by any stretch.
asdfghjk That’s exactly what he’s saying. Mobility in tight spaces. That’s why this round is so nice, I love my 16 inch HK MR556A1 but that’s a match rifle AR and stays in the safe most times. My Daniel Defense DDM4v7p law tactical folder 300 blackout goes everywhere with me in a backpack as my “I need more power and range than my 9mm Glock” gun especially now during coronavirus and if someone in a protest decides to get frisky.
@@CaptainCreampie69 Yeah I get that for sure. I'm not a fan of super short rifles/pistols, but 300BLK is for sure more effective in barrels of that length. I greatly prefer 5.56 in a 16-18" rifle personally, but I can see the benefit of the BLK.
I use the Remington 120gr. OTFB green and white box 300 blkout for personal defense and to hunt with. I have taken deer out to 300 yds with this ammo out of my 11.5" Rosco barrel pistol length gas. Love this ammo and it's been extremely accurate and reliable.
"No real use." If that were my main criteria, I'd have a LOT less guns. 300BO is plain fun in a short barrel suppressed AR. Even unsuppressed, it's much more fun to shoot than the popular short barrel 223's. That's a great way to go deaf, ask arfcommer grey50beast.
@@LAWSON08most shots in my area are 250yds & beyond. Large game elk, moose bear & mule deer. Other than coyotes why would I want that caliber? Yes suppression is fun though question there.
I really like 7.62x39 also, but there are a few shortcomings that hold that round back from seriously shining. First is the fact that the rather heavy taper, while aiding in ease of extraction, does not play well with mag well geometry of the AR-15. It's doable, but without redesigning the standard AR mag well I doubt it will ever be as reliable as it is in an AK design or as 5.56 is in its AR-15 home. But, the big one for me is the .310 grove diameter and bullets. This greatly reduces the availability of quality bullet designs like controlled expanding jacketed soft points, bonded or not, and opposed its almost-identical twin of .308 diameter. Yes, I know Ruger and CZ run .308 barrels chambered for 7.62x39, but that requires special dies and you theoretically could run into some throat to ogive conflicts that could wreak havoc with seating depth.
@@rootjr.3658 I own two ar15s in 7.62x39. One built & one except ak mags. There are awesome. When I go to tx I use them for hogs. Cheap & they work on one the tougher animals in the lower 48. Now does 300 work suppressed better? Yes. But ammo is out for subsonic x39 & its cheap. Far as reloading why? With all the surplus & steel. There is some good brass ammo to. It's my opinion 300 is more hype. But that's me.
It really does look like it would have performed better with only a 110 or maybe 115 grain projectile. Get it going just a little bit faster, and the additional expansion and velocity would compensate for the lower weight. Would the end result be better? Maybe. I'm not a magic 8 ball.
As I understand it, .300 BLK was developed for use as a subsonic round, for suppressed firearms with short barrels. That's a pretty small niche. If you're not going to use it for that, I think you'd be better off with a different caliber.
michael blacktree It was developed to get performance from short barrels, whether sub or supersonic, and to cycle either suppressed or not. Still a somewhat small niche, but larger none the less. I will agree though, if you’re not running it SBR, suppressed, or both you’re doing it wrong
"That's a pretty small niche." - How so, we'd all have silencers if they were cheap and easy and we all want the shortest barrel we need to get the performance we're after. 300BO makes it easier and more practical to do what for most part we all want anyway, that's not a niche it's an optimization.
@@paytonbachinski9540 The penetration exceeded the 18" max. And that's often the case for .300 AAC projectiles that perform well in other areas. I'd like to test some 5.56mm from a 7" upper but I don't have one.
Is overpenetration really an issue tho? How often will you use your ar pistol or sbr for hostage rescue in crowded places? For hunting purposes a little more penetration never hurt nobody. And in self defense the shots that simply miss would do way more damage than a slowed down expanded projectile anyways, and you simply need a solid backstop anyways. The cavity is nasty and the pokey poke is deep, and at the end of the day those two combined will kill things pretty dead. Two or four legs. Yes, bigger and faster bullets will do even more, but then you may only use .50bmg anyways. 300blk is meant as a compromise and those 100-130gr projectiles do far more than 5.56 would out of a short barrel. Throw a short and light titanium can on there and you have a perfect allrounder. Enough power, enough hearing protection, enough stability and accuracy, enough maneuverability. A little expansion optimisation for slow velocities would of course help, but 300blk is a niche caliber for a pretty common niche.
Well you do not compare a 300 black out with a .308 you compare it with a 556 with respect to purpose of these short barreled weapons... Next any bullet traveling at any velocity is as potent as it is at that velocity and I say this tautology to point out that a .308 pushing that bullet at 600 yards at the same velocity that the 300BO pushing it at 100 yards *(totally made up numbers for the point) the target does not care. The velocity being the same the effect will also be the same. The purpose is what matters to its effectiveness not its velocity. I think you tend to frame things this way because at the end of the day you are trying to get clicks same reason you tend to take jabs at fanbois and IMHO it just juxtaposes poorly with your otherwise technical proficiency. IMHO just the facts ma'am would serve your format better..same with the fanbois are they really the audience for these otherwise highly technical videos? I think not..
@@theimmortal4718 .308 fits in a AR. You mean a .308 doesnt fit in a Ar15 platform. According too that logic. Since 9mm/.45 fit in a AR15 platform we should compare them to a .223, still doesnt make sense.
I dont own a single rifle chambered in 300 blackout. However, I feel like there are flaws in this logic. Hand gun rounds that are fired from much smaller barrels and travel at a slower rate of speed seem to mushroom just fine. Can you make another video where you test the mushrooming on various types of 300 blackout ammo, please?
@@jeremyduffield8717 I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I just wish someone could make it happen proper. I've heard good things about the mutant iirc. Whichever company made an AR10-15 mix so the bolt was able to be beefed up.
I like how it made a surpringly large permanent wound channel...then he goes on to describe how much it sucks. Based on his reaction, it did better than he expected.
You contradicted yourself. The initial expansion of the bullet produced astonishing expansion. More expansion. Nothing out there compares! Are you someone's shill?
Lol. It sounds that way because I hadn't seen the projectile or the high speed yet. The disturbance seen in gelatin is normally somewhat indicative of the actual TSC observed on high speed, but there are occasional discrepancies. The TSC on the high speed is good, but not as impressive as it appeared in the gel. In this context, the performance was pretty good, but because the expansion was modest, that indicates that adding light barriers or more distance might induce a failure. Again, this load in these conditions performed okay, but other loads have done better. The Barnes TAC-TX or the Hornady V-Max, both in 110gr and loaded by any company that pushes them to about 2,000 fps or so would be much better choices and they are widely available. Other good choices would be Sig 120gr HT, Lehigh 110gr Controlled Chaos, and Nosler 110gr Varmaggedon.
Bob A 300blk is not boutique and it works just fine. Get off your high horse.
@@James_T_Kirk_1701 7.62x39 works a little better for 1/3 the price
@@ds6872
Not in an AR.
@Bob A
You sound like a Fudd.
.300 is interesting. Especially for very short barrelled rifles.
300 blackout gives you the punch of a 30 cal at supersonic and punch of a 45 at subsonic and designed to be suppressed. A lot of Texans would disagree with you as it pertains to hunting. Great versatile option!
God Bless Texas‼️💯💯🤠🤠
I’m from Texas and I approve this comment
@@starkillaog8118 Damn Skippy my fellow Texan 👊🏼👊🏼
.45 = NUKE
@@briangreen550 Texan here😂I definitely agree with most of this. The 45 at subsonic for sure. Decent for hunting yeah. The 30 cal at super sonic is a yes and no. He’s not wrong that a cheap steel cased 7.62x39 soft point does perform quite a bit better than the best 300 blk that you can find for just a fraction of the cost. If cost was not a factor, the 300 blk would definitely be my pick since I believe that its versatility and suppression capabilities make up for its lesser ballistic performance, but some people just can’t afford it.
I thought it performed very well. When you have a preconceived bias against something, it's easy to point out shortcomings and overlook the advantages.
I admit 300 blackout is a niche round that fits my niche. I live in IL. This is a legal pistol deer cartridge in IL. I can't do SBR in IL, but I can do an AR pistol with stabilizer brace. I can have a loaded pistol in my vehicle with my CCW permit. In a AR pistol I would rather have 300 blackout than 5.56.
And that is one niche where it shines
Man you all have some messed up and pretty arbitrary gun and hunting laws in IL, but I do like your style! No rifles for hunting, but a braced pistol is fine, lol!
@@rootjr.3658 I can hunt with a supressed, belt fed, short barrel machine gun in AZ if I want. And if I had one.
@@chopinbloc I believe that would fly here in the great state of Kentucky as well. I guess there would be a 10 link maximum on the belt for hunting purposes here... but neither of our states known for having convoluted and arbitrary restrictions on hunting equipment that inevitably lead to innovative workarounds that thumb their noses at the system like the one described by Mr. Heine.
@@rootjr.3658 Yeah I can hunt with a hundred round drum magazine in my suppressed SBR if I want to.
Call me crazy. But that was pretty damn impressive! If someone wanted to keep fighting after being shot with that. Your probably pretty screwed anyways.
Yes at very close range but the problem with 300BO is that most projectiles drop below expansion threshold velocity very quickly. Like he said, it fires projectiles designed around the 308 and 30-06. Generally, most rifle projectiles need about 1900 fps to expand and the 300 BO drops below that pretty quickly.
IMO the 300BO is a pointless cartridge. I don’t care about the subsonic capabilities of it. A rifle that generates 400 ft lbs of energy is kind of silly. Why bother. You might as well just throw a can on your 45. What gets me are the morons that shoot deer with subsonic 300BO loads.
@@strat1080 I strongly believe the US Military would disagree with the statement “300 is a pointless cartridge”. This cartridge is utilized for close quarter combat and has been proven very effective, thousands of times. But Maybe you can convince them that it is “silly”. This cartridge was not meant to replace or even compete with the 556. They are both used in different situations and both are effective in which hey are designed for.
I love the AR-15 with 7½" 300 AAC barrel. I got pretty decent results with Winchester 150gr. Deer Season ballistic tips. I didn't use gelatine. But it knocked a hole straight through a 200lb wild boar. No projectile was recovered. It dropped like a ton of ACME bricks.
The 300 Blackout was designed for best suppressor performance, all while being fully compatible with the AR15 platform. It was never meant to compete against larger powder-capacity cartridges (so it should not be compared to them).
Not allowed to compare bullets to bullets? Whack
I think a .300 Blackout AR pistol is one of the most versatile weapons in the world.
It is , It was never meant to replace 556, it's a replacement for 9mm sub guns. You run this instead of an mp5 not instead of an m4a1, not to mention that the velocity may be slower but it impacts with more energy than 556. And you have the ability to run the subs which are extremely quiet
Well our hands are pretty versatile weapons, but sure.
The 5.56 loses a lot of its performance when fired from a shorter barrel. The 300 AAC is a better option for use with a shorter barrel and for pistol ranges. That said, it is still limited to its given role. When used outside of that usecase, rounds such as the aforementioned 5.56 can perform better. It all comes down to what you are trying to do.
@@TheLordNugget How does the 5.56 perform better?
@@LatestHour from my understanding, 300 AAC has more bullet drop. This is in part due to the differences in velocity. The greater bullet drop makes distance a weakness of 300 AAC. Energy might still be superior with the round but it makes little difference if you miss your shot. 300 AAC is a great round and I have an AR in that caliber myself, but it's not for all usecases.
This is with typical ballistics from 16" barrels. Both sets of ballistics results I found were from that length.
Is it lethal at the designed ranges?-Yes
Would you like to get shot with it?-No
Enough said.
💪🏻💪🏻I love my 300 blackout it’s my favorite
Is it lethal at the designed ranges? Yes
Would you like to get shot with it? No
Thats why I use .22. Cuz if you dont want to get shot with it, it means it works.
That can be said of almost any bullet...
I would rather get shot bye...... said no one ever.
Getting hit with almost anything would take most people out of the fight if used in a self defense usage......
300 has its place and is probably the best HD choice. Super versatile and performs great at 9" with a can. Love my 5.56's but my 300 is by the bed, not up for debate.
You must live in the middle of absolutely nowhere to be using a rifle for home defense.
@@DirtyDan19mm overpens more then 5.56
I went 300blk because I wanted a short to med range all purpose rifle. I can use it for defense, range time or hunting.
While 223 isn't illegal to hunt with in Michigan, the 300blk performs much like the 30-30 does inside 200yards. Most hunting ranges are at most 150yds.
Mines a 16inch, pistol length setup. You gain a near 200 extra fps in a 16 over something short. The 110gr round is amazing for hunting.
Just ordered me another box of barnes 110gr vor-TX
Plus the ability to go to 223 with just a barrel swap is a must in a SHTF event since 223/556 is much more abundant
I guess I’m the oddball but I actually like using a 16” barrel for my Blackout. With handloads, I get very consistent performance with H110 and Nosler 125 gr Accubonds. Gives me a max effective range of about 220 yds which is sufficient for anything I’d hunt with it.
Smiley Sixguns I have a 16” Remington 700 AAC SD in 300blk. I love that fucker!
I too am an oddball. I'm running a 16" Faxon Firearms barrel I bought for $100. I'm getting an average of 2310 fps out of my 110gr Varmageddon handloads with Ramshot Enforcer. Sub moa groups out to 100 yards and I don't plan on shooting past 200 yards with 300 blackout.
@@andrewcarlton9081 You have good results using 110 gr projectiles and Enforcer? That is very good to know ... I had not tried any loads with Enforcer powder. THANKS! I won't criticize the gentleman who made the video above. I won't. I won't ... the hell I won't-- Obviously not an expert regarding this cartridge, and a lout insulting other enthusiasts. Sad.
My first AR was a 16” 300blk. I’ve never gone shorter than 14.5 pinned. I love seeing and hearing the power difference from a supersonic 300blk smashing into steel from a 16” barrel. Absolutely night and day from any 5.56 loading.
I also have a 16" I love it
I think that's pretty good coming out of an 8" AR. I don't think 7.62x39 would've did any better in the same barrel length.
5.56 certainly wouldn't have.
@@jasminebebe3455 why would it not? 5.56/.223 would be going 2500 fps out of an 8” barrel, thats much better than 300 blk
@@nickrockz97 LMAO you are not getting that velocity out of an 8" barrel
@@nickrockz97 xm193 might come out of a 5.56 AR with 8 inch barrel at 2500. Most 5.56 bullets are gonna be around 2200-2300fps with 55-62 grain and heavier 5.56 in high 60s and 70gr range will be around 2000-2100fps
@@nickrockz97 there’s no way you’re getting 2500 fps out of an 8” barrel with .556. There’s a reason they found the sweet spot at around 16-18 inches
I dont know why anyone gets so emotional over a certain caliber .They are tools and toys sometimes both .Just get them all so you have the rite tool for the job .
I know, a dealer of mine swore by the 300 and gave me all the info on why its great, its performance serves a purpose but it could be cheaper. I'm a fan but I'm the type of guy to get a 7.62x 39 as well.
@@James-303CO 7.62x39mm is a proven round, and not loose velocity based on barrel length.
The guy’s wife left for someone who prefers 300. Now he spends his days shitting all over it
If you compare 300blk to 7,62x39 out of 10,5" barrels, then they are very close in performance. The shorter the barrel better the 300blk gets, the longer the better the AK gets. The 7,62x39 case has less pressure and slower burning powder but more case volume - it is designed for 41,5cm (16,3") barrels.
In fact you cannot say it is the bigger brother unless you talk about the environment compared.
Greetings from Germany and thanks for the video.
I wish you would physically test a 16” barrel for us in Hawai’i where we can’t own AR pistols or SBR’s. That is the reason that we would own a 300 Blackout in a 16” barrel, because we have to.
Feel bad man. I built 16inch heavy barrel 300blk in pa l bc sbr is so hard to get here in Pennsylvania
You can estimate that a longer barrel = more velocity = more expansion and less penetration as a general rule for hollow point designs considering all things equal besides barrel length.
Why can't you own it? Do you not have the protections of the 2nd Ammendment?
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means something. Too many of us are all too willing to abide by UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws.
@HappySnowfish hopefully the people who do choose not to abide by unconstitutional laws don't go posting on the internet about them breaking the laws.
Looks like the performance of 7.62x39 out of an 8" barrel.
The problem is that people base 300 SBR performance to carbine 7.62x39 performance.
The velocities are identical when you get down to 8"
I mean, I get your point, but you're always going to have someone take issue when you use absolute terms like "identical". 7.62x39mm has more case capacity than 7.62x35mm, and not just because of the extra 4mm of length. The more sharply tapered case results in a significant increase in volume.
@@chopinbloc
I agree. The main difference is case capacity and type of powder used.
Since 300 uses faster burning powders, it gets more out of a short barrel and alot less muzzle flash
@@chopinbloc
Shoot 7.62x39 out of an 8" barrel, you get less velocity, more flash, and somehow somewhere they'll be people saying it's way more powerful.
@@theimmortal4718 not if you use the same propellants as .300 AAC.
@@chopinbloc
Are there factory 7.62x39 loads that have the same fast powders? I don't know any. As far as I know, they all use slower rifle powders optimized for longer barrels.
Now, if we're talking about handloads, then you're talking about a round that would cost as much as a 300 handload.
First off, I'm not a tactical guy but a hunter. I personally believe, out of a 16" barrel and a max distance off 100 yards it would be a good deer hunting round. Thanks for sharing the review 👍
full powder burn in 9” of barrel…not much would be gained with the extra length
" I'm trying to protect my family not re sheetrock my living room" my favorite Bill Burr quote
I didn't care much for 300 myself until I learned how to load my own and the reason I started loading is when I got a Chrono and seen what this watered down crap there selling is doing
Factory loadings so seem anemic… and expensive… and hard to find.
I'm thinking about loading 300 black out. With Hornady soft tip 150 gr bullets and some Lil gun or h110 powder. For deer hunting
Energy of an AK with the option to run Sub Sonics ? Great caliber...
Well said. The Federal round performed excellently, despite being shot out of a 8".
Not even close to the energy of an AK
@@skaterking225 Sorry, but the 300 equals or exceeds the energy of the AK. I wish people would stop using pistol builds when testing supersonic rounds; use a 16" barrel like the AK.
also the ballistic coefficient of the 300blk allow it to retain more energy at a distance. Therefore the longer the shot the greater the energy advantage of the 300 blk over AK.
It doesn't have the energy of an AK, at least not at the muzzle. At the muzzle, 7.62x39 has somewhere between 150 and 200 more ftlbs of energy when they're both fired out of the same length of barrel. 7.62x39 holds 5-7 more grains of powder than 300 blackout, if you're gonna tell me that's the same thing, you're kidding yourself.
Not to mention the main reason people buy 7.62x39 is the price of ammunition, everyone knows it doesn't have the best BC. You're comparing $0.19 per round to $0.60 per round, the fact that they're even in the same ballpark should be embarrassing to 300blk.
Seems the dude doing the video is a “yoot” and doesn’t even try to hide his nonsensical defensive stance.
What do I mean?
The “yoot” tried to discredit anyone who may disagree as a .300blk fanboy.
Preconceived notions and t hi s defensive stance...Considering TODAY people are making low velocity bullets expand.
Fact of the matter is. The people who are smart enough to use this caliber for purposes that make it useful, are using the rounds suited to their purposes.
Piss poor as far as I’m concerned.
Agreed, he just doesn't like it
6 deer and 4 black bear disagree that the 300blk is a gimmick round.
But you did say it best, the lightest load with fastest velocity will work best.
add another mule deer and one bull moose.
I love a hot bag of fresh popcorn and reading all the comments from the ex spurts. Good video !
old dirt road in frogpond Ala.? been there.
Why own a 16" 300? Because I don't want to buy a stamp and I like a proper butt stock.
How dare you
You monster!
My SB Tactical brace is pretty substantial..
Don't forget more velocity
Got a 16inch heavy barrel 300blk
In my opinion the Barnes 110 grain XTAC bullet is the best round in .300 blk out. It's simply devastating!
That's not an opinion, friend. That's just a fact. Although, I'm not sure I'd refer to anything short of 81mm as "devastating".
Every bullet has strength and weaknesses. Appreciate the time and materials you used to present this, thank you!
I’ve shot two deer with these at about 80 yards. Both went down within 10 yards. The bullets passed through the chest. I found a petal in one of them.
if you were on the receiving end of that round there is no way you could continue on an assault of the person that delivered that fatal blow! It was designed to be a very powerful and effective round for close quarters combat, and it does exactly what is was designed to do. It is my go to home defense choice.
This is exactly why I nudged my 27-year-old son on his first AR to go with this caliber. I found a used one of the great price
Pedals not opening all the way from a ballistics shooter point of view may make this round appear inferior, but the cavitation it produces from a doctors point of view make it a VERY lethal round regardless of what the tip looks like after you pry it out of gelatin.
You’re missing the point of course. It’s a 9mm replacement that versatile with being able to carry mags of supers and subs not a .223 or .308 replacement.
Total agreement here. I started dozing off at the mention of .300 Blackout about six or eight weeks after the initial hype started, and now that I know just how pathetically someone can make a .30 caliber slug "perform" and still get it to clear the case mouth, I'm even less interested. If I want a .30 slug, I'll grab my Mauser. If I want an itty bitty pill, I've got my 5.56 AR and my 10/22 and High Standard. When it comes to deliberately subsonic, well, let's hope Miday/AR Stoner gets the problem with my SOCOM upper worked out.
Hmmmm let's see 10rds/mag of SOCOM at $2/per that are harder to suppress due to caliber. VS 100rds/mag of 300BO at $0.40/per that are whisper quiet.
I'd love to see the effects of the 150gr. Gold Dot specifically made for .300 BLK over a heavy (but safe) load of Lil Gun, H-110, or similar powder.
That's what I run. Lil gun hot load. Trust you don't want to get hit with it.
@@62dobie no shit. I dont want to get hit with a flip flop, let alone any fired projectile.
😂😂😂. And I Somehow have a 16" 300AAC" 😂😂😂
It is a effective 100 or < tree stand gun on deer.
And drops hogs like a sack! 😂😂
PS.... I "somehow own a 8.5 also! 🤠
Agreed I love my 16inch ar15 in 300blk. Cant deer hunt with it yet in pa
I'm posting a subsonic 300blk review later today I think you'll be interested in Andrew. It performed surprisingly well
I will.
147gn for life 😂 if i need to shoot past 50yrds with my 7.5" 300blk... I've grabbed the wrong gun. But damn it would still hurt 😰
Yup
It was designed to be a sub sonic suppressed load.
Running a 300 at super sonic speeds is like putting a v8 in a Volkswagen ,never intended for that it was designed for suppressed fire
It was designed to be both. There aren’t many other calibers (probably none at all) that will allow you to run both supers and subs from the same gun with no adjustment.
@@stid2170 We call that a Porsche, people generally like them.
I've heard that was very effective for wild boars that didn't spook the others in the group(think they are called a sound?).
That’s untrue. Stop regurgitating misinformation.
I killed 2 Whitetail with this round yesterday. One at 75, the second right at 100 yds. Buck was running at 75 and balled up on impact...dead. Doe was standing at 100 yds and she died in her tracks. Neither projectile exited either deer. And the vital organs of both were absolutely WRECKED on the inside. All-in-all, a great round in my opinion!
Pissing off the fan boys 🤣
I'm a fan of 300 blk. Own 3 uppers. That being said, this didnt piss me off. The only thing that pisses me of is the fudd like way of hating this caliber.
It was designed to replace the 9mm sub guns. It does that beautifully. I get excited by pdw type weapons. There is no better caliber for a pdw that I known of.
Anyway, how are you and my favorite internet dog doing? Lol.
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS getting ready to head out to the property in the morning. Trying to find that big buck that keeps showing up on my trail camera. How's things going over there?
@@2wheeleddemon999
I've got a married woman currently knocking on my door as I write this comment. She is literally stalking me at this point. Lol. Besides that, I'm ok. Good luck with the buck brother. If you get him and have the time, take a video for us :)
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS Definitely saving some battery life on my phone for the next deer. Have a good evening man
I guess you didn't watch the gel test. Nothing to be mad about.
Try some Lehigh Defense controlled chaos or maximum expansion 300 blackout ammo with this test and I think you will find the results you were looking for.
I have a 10 inch black out and have shot two hogs one of these about 100 lbs with Fiocchi 123 sst at less than 50 yds , they went down quickly
Congratz, a .22 with shot placement can get the same results. A dead hog is a dead hog.
Well these hogs were running in Texas Hill country one wad at about 10:30 pm I'm not good enough to hit the ear whole sorry
ruclips.net/video/4J7kgpIaGeI/видео.html
400lb hog taken with .22lr subsonic. Instant death from head shot... NOT a "ear hole" shot... lol
I swear, people and their caliber .300BO hype. Lmfao
@Frank Deckard it's a good thing he didn't say anything about that. I shouldn't put twords in his mouth, but I think he's just pointing out the fact that just because a given load killed an animal doesn't mean it is suitable for defense.
@@Rob_Nasty Correct not ear, eye.
That looks better than any 223/556 I've ever seen!!! Bravo - 300 Blackout rules as a urban assault round!!!
You haven't seen many .223/5.56 then.
I am sure that it will take the ammo manufacturers a few years to optimise the round, look how long they worked on 9mm ammo before we got to our current offerings.
Motoguzzi2231
Exactly. For all the hate blackout gets it’s one of the few niche calibers that made it. It didn’t succeed commercially because it sucks.
The .300 blackout cartridge was designed to replace PCC’s such as the MP5, the Kriss vector, the tommy gun, the UMP and the such. While the sub Sonics are quiet and act like a spicey .45 that can penetrate soft body armor, while the supersonic light rounds are designed to reach out much like an AK(with an 8” barrel). The spec ops use the .300 blackout for CQB and stealth missions, but if they gotta go loud and get more range and power, they can switch to super Sonics. This niche is good for someone trying to protect their home without blowing out everyone’s ears. It’s especially good for people who live on a bit of property to defend because of the versatility. It may not have the power of a .308, but its half the size of an AR-10 too. And its more powerful than 5.56 with a comparable length barrel. I just got the Winchester silvertips for .300 blackout and am curious to see how it does in gel. Maybe a test of that, since its new to 2021
I love my 16" Carbine gas 300 Blk Out! The extra 200fps plus I'd get would make that 120 grain bullet expand quite nicely! Maybe you should do a vid with it out of a 16"! That wound cavity even out of your short barrel was impressive! Also my go to round for everything stopping power is the Speer 130 gr HP 2200 fps. Devastating round! At 1790 fps that is a pretty weak loading even out of your shorty!
I mean if you are running a 16 inch rifle 5.56 would still be better
These shorter barrel AR pistol/sbr tests are a really good application for both showing how these platforms perform in self defense from said firearms AND demonstrating how they will impact at typical closer hunting ranges from rifle length barrels that the 300 BLK gets used. Like 16" barreled carbine rifles for hogs. This load wouldn't be terrible for hogs inside 75-100 yards, bordering ideal almost even due to coppers ability to hold together even through more solid tissue and bone.
I don't get it , this performed better than the 77 gr OTM imi ammo you tested on 11/15. this has a sorter neck, 1.5" vs 3" , bigger stretch cavity , and about the same penetration at just over 9" . any way you slice it , that performance is great for short range defense. you won't get that out of any 9mm or 45 . this load has to have close to 1000ft lb of energy to dump . sure it's not a 308, but it is more managable out of an 8" barrel gun. the recoil was low enough to allow fast recovery and followup . This means it fits into the niche that the m1 carb fits into . a GREAT option to a handgun for close quarters defense , out to up to 100yds. With soft point bullets that expand rapidly . It is not a long range battle rifle , and the bad reputation the m1 carb got was from trying to us it as a long range battlefield rifle with FMj bullets. nobody tries to to that with the 300 blackout .
19" not 9 " peetration, typo.
@@forestgrump2168 So edit not reply duuur.
No, go back and look at the actual size of the temporary stretch cavity on high speed. the 77gr SMK is larger. The appearance of the gel should be taken with a grain of salt. The purpose of the gel is to produce penetration, expansion/fragmentation, and retained weight measurements that correlate closely with real soft tissue, not to simulate the appearance of a wound. That said, you should compare this to other .300 AAC or to other solid copper hollow point in 5.56mm. In those cases, refer to 110gr VMAX and 50gr TSX respectively.
I was using numbers he gave for each bullet from each video. If that's not relevant then your beef is with him , not me.
@@forestgrump2168 lol. I may take it up with him. ;-)
Those numbers are a rough assessment of the appearance of the gel for comparison. But the high speed video shows you what's actually going on. I've explained in previous videos that the disturbance in the gel should only be considered in a very general way. You should view these videos as you would a television series. I simply can't restate every thing every episode. I'm sorry that leaves some gaps for you.
I just chrono'ed some of these out of a 16" barrel. With a 5-shot string using a LabRadar, I got an Average of 2,181 fps. Min: 2167; Max: 2204; ES:37; Std Dev: 14.1. I plugged my results into a ballistic calculator and the calculator shows that my 2181 average 16" bbl velocity drops to exactly your 1889 average 8" bbl velocity at 95 yards. This confirming your assertion that your results approximately reflect 100 yard performance from a 16" bbl.
I may still use this for hunting, since my typical shots on deer are well within 100 yards, and usually under 70, at which distance it should still be going 1950 (based on the lowest velocity I got). I also have Hornady V-MAX 110 grain loads, but they may be going too fast for that bullet. I'd worry about explosive fragmentation at the high velocities I'm getting, and potentially terrible performance if I hit the shoulder bone. That said, I'll likely only use this rifle next season if I can't get any reasonably priced .270 Win ammo or components.
Also do a legit test of the Barnes 110 tac-tx
And the Hornady Black 110 v-max
Dylan Caylor the Barnes is a gnarly round
300 blackout is meant to replace MP5 for QBC. Which 5.56 performs poorly since it does not suppress well. Plus when the special forces leave the building they have longer range by simply switching magazines.
So for defense purposes (with a 8.5” barrel) should I stick with the Sig Sauer HT 120gr? Great video as always, Andrew.
Give a choice between those two, absolutely. That Sig load is pretty legit.
I've had trouble getting the Sig 120 to expand reliably out of my 8.3" barrel. In my testing I've had much more reliability using the Barnes 110gr Tac-TX
AlphaRomeo-OneFive I’ve seen a few of your videos, great content. I really should buy at least 3 boxes of the Barnes to try out.
I finally bought some 77gr TMK for my 11.5” 5.56 last week. Anything over $1/round really starts to eat up the funds, even in low quantities.
@@hooterboy12345 Thanks I appreciate that. Yeah some of these hunting and self defense rounds will take a chunk out of the wallet for sure. The round I'm reviewing tonight I think I got on sale for a $1.70 a round. I bought two boxes originally, to test and review then picked up two more. It's definitely not something I can personally afford to stockpile on at that price!
AlphaRomeo-OneFive If I ever end up in a gun fight, I want to give myself the best odds possible. So only the best ammo will do, regardless of price (and of course adequate training on my part)
I subscribed, so I’ll keep a eye out for your uploads!
I’ve come to love the Barnes 120gr Tac-TX. My daughter uses them in a 16” gun for deer hunting and it has performed beautifully every time.
Great load! I like the 110’s as well.
110 grain Nosler Varmageddon does well in the slower velocity of a 300 blk.
Nosler Varmageddon?
Dude… that round decimated that gel. Seems perfectly suitable for home defense. You gun bros never cease to amaze me. At some point in the future I’m sure 50 BMG will only suffice for you people.
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It penetrated and expanded. Good. The expansion, while not exemplary, looks to be around .45" to .5" That doesn't suck, just not ideal. The temporary stretch cavity is quite good for a anything in what might be considered a 'pistol.'
Hey brother, your editing skills are 🔥🔥🔥. Do you mind if I ask what editing software do you guys use?
I use Adobe Premiere to do the majority of the editing and Paul uses Premiere and After Effects to finish up. Most of the graphics and transitions are in After Effects. The color key is in Premiere.
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Hey thank you for the quick response and the information! You just got yourself a new subscriber over at The Chopping Block, keep up the great work guys!!
@@DoubleOddJosh thank you for your support.
People have been trying to crap on the 300BLK since it came out.....its a good round for it's intended purpose. It makes complete sense if you have a 5.56 AR to also have a 300BLK upper. It makes even more sense to have it in a short upper. If you reload...the 300 is just a necked 5.56 case....another plus....uses the same magazines....another plus. It is superior suppressed...it performs great out to about 200yards...even better at CQB distances. The ammo isn't as expensive as it once was...and it's available. I already had a 5.56 AR...bought a 300blk upper...I already had a AK47 and a SKS in 7.62x39...bought a AR47 upper....just made sense to me.... but what do I know....carry on.
Have you done this test with Hornady Black 110gr vmax?
Lots of people have. The black is just the 110 SST, which is a very popular hunting round. Lots of pics out there of wound tracks in dead deer and hogs in addition to the usual gel tests. It's an effective round for deer, people, pigs, and coyotes.
I got rid of my 300 blackout and got me a 6.8 spc. The 300 blackout rounds are weak to me but I love what the 6.8 spc does.
When you do penetration test with clothing, can you maybe do one with a Carhart jacket, hoodie, and t-shit combo. It's winter in Alaska, and that's what most dirt heads wear. Thanks
Clothing has no significant effect on penetration except to the degree that it can prevent or reduce expansion in pistol calibers. Clothing typically does not prevent expansion at rifle speeds.
The advantage of 300 blackout is in the subsonic realm (aside from the fact it works on exsisting platforms with only a barrel change). If you compare it to a 45 Acp or subsonic 9mm it has better BC and would have more range. I'm not sure why you would try to push it past a couple of hundred meters/yards max. 300 blackout is fun to shoot suppressed. 300 blackout has been used very successfully on hog hunts in Texas.
would love to see this test again but from a 16" barrel
Took a 300 acc using 110 gr barns deer hunting this year. No I will never use it for SD, nor will I ever plink other than to break in the barrel, but it's a great hunting round under 250 yards.
Info in the “doobleedo”, sounds like someone else watches AvE’s channel. Great video, BTW.
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Clayton Atkinson Indeed
We will know for sure if he is an AVE fan if he says "this Jeez-less bullet hit that gel so hard it turned into Miner Piss!
I think most people, like me, have a 16 in .300 BLK because we don't want to deal with sbr laws and can't buy a pistol yet. I also don't know at what age I can get an sbr. I still love my lil ar that could.
Whoah whoah whoah, are you saying that a smaller cartridge is less powerful WAAAAAT?
Eh, powder technology marches on, and SAAMI and CIP max pressures are both higher for .300 Blackout than for 7.62x39 (although the latter only slightly). In practice, as he sort of acknowledges in the video, the main issue with (a lot of) off-the-shelf .300 Blackout ammo (relative to 7.62x39) is not what the cartridge is capable of, but loadings that don't actually achieve what the cartridge is capable of.
To be clear: If you're cooking up some pissin' hawt loads (and your rifle can handle them), the max velocity you can get out of 7.62x39 is going to be higher, no question. But if you're constrained by official maximum pressures, case capacity may not be your limiting factor.
@@logitimate That's a very good point, with modern powders needing less capacity to produce the same pressure, case capacity with larger older cartridges really isn't an issue. With max pressures being higher the 300blk has more potential. Ya see the same thing comparing 45GAP to 45 ACP, or 308win to 30-06. And I'm sure dozens of other cartridges.
People forget I guess why 300 came about. It was not designed like most rounds. It was made so u can use same bolt and mags in ARs without needing huge changes on the rifles that are already fielded standard. So they worked within those parameters. With a barrel change u can run 556. Plus it silences nicely. I have a SIG Rattler and it can run a silencer and still be shorter than most rifles also. Next good attribute is ya can go hyper and sub sonic with a mag change. It's actually pretty versatile
These ballistics test are my favorite
For hunting; it's required to be a 16 inch barrel in some states like mine. Not hunting hogs, but I have 7 white tails on mine from several years. Barns 110. Great round, can't cut brush with it. Needs a heavier round.
I will say velocity between my 16" upper and 10.5" upper are almost identical.
I still see 2200-2400fps.
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I've heard that from others. Depends a lot on the powder used. Fast powders will show little difference in longer barrels.
Micheal Peterson you use a slower powder though for longer barrel and you get more velocity for sure.....
With lil gun I've pushed 110gr vmaxs at 2600 from a 16" gun. Only got some 2300 out of my 7.5" barrel.
You cannot compare velocities of different barrels; some barrels are fast, some slow. The only legitimate comparison is to take a long barrel, shoot some, cut it off and shoot some more. That takes barrel variations out of the equation.
I brought a .300 Blk rifle (16" barrel) to the field with Power Shoks this past season, but didn't get to try it out. Passed on a few small deer on opening day and after finding out how much a 1-point sling sucks in the field, left that rifle at home and punched my tag with my old reliable .270 bolt gun.
Since I can't speak to terminal performance (which doesn't look bad in this test), I will say that my rifle shoots really nice, tight groups with the ammo, and it's much cheaper than the Barnes and Hornady stuff with Federal's rebate. I might use what I bought as decent practice ammo and buy a few boxes of the premium stuff before next season.
Thanks for the video!
How about 220 grains at 1050 fps? 🤔 Reminds me of a great defense pistol!😁
Exactly
might as well shoot a 230gr 45 acp...
Just look at them old loads that were used back in the day 44-40 and 45 Colt cowboy loads still killing deer with complete pass through 200 to 250 lead cast bullet
I really enjoy your videos. I've recently started building my first .300 BLK. Admittedly the cartridge will never stack up to 7.62x39, and it missed its intended mark there. However, compared to other PDW's, SMGs, or pistol carbines, in the 50-200 meter range very few are as effective. Save, perhaps, the P90; and it's not as quiet. I think it's wiser to compare 300 BLK to a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
I liked this video bc I like your channel, and I want to help a brotha out. But this might be one of the most contradictory and most ridiculous videos you have done. And no, I do not own a 300blk nor am I a fanboy. But I mean...c'mon bruh.
Which part confused you?
@Dustyn what time stamp does that happen at?
@Dustyn Which part is he hating on the round and hurting your feewings, tho?
5.56, 300 blackout, 7.62x39 are all great cartridges and each have their place. Personally I prefer my 300 blackout AR15 over my AK in 7.62x39. They are both great combat cartridges and rifles. I run a 16” barrel and don’t see the logic of folks saying they don’t know why you would have one. Does that mean you think it’s weird to have a AR in 5.56 with a 16” barrel? Absolutely not. The 300 blackout is just another tool in the toolbox. Good KE, good accuracy, and in a reliable AR platform with standard mags. A very versatile cartridge that is here to stay.
I'm just waiting for someone to design a 318 or 262 inspire load *specifically* for .300blk. Not any of these .308 hand me downs, lol
No, I just want truckloads of M80A1.
@@chopinbloc That goes without saying, lol
I guess that I'm just going to have to load my own 300 AAC to conduct a couple of experiments. I really want to see how fast we push a 90gr ballistic tip. And I want to do a full load workup and see what we can get out of M2 AP.
Id urge you to do this again with the same ammo, but a 16 in barrel. Thats what a lot of supersonic loads are tested in by the manufacturer.
Looks pretty good but this anit no mk262 or nuttin love my 10.5 in 5.56
300 herpaderp does two things really well, subsonic heavies and ability to shoot meaningful cast bullet loads in an ar platform, you can shoot powder coated cast bullets for ultra dirt cheap, like 6-9 cents a round, so outside of a zombie boogacolypse revolution, its a range toy
You forgot the role of a PDW cartridge. It definitely made 9mm sub guns obsolete for serious use. Which was the main goal of creating it.
Florida Man well to flip the coin my powder coated cast 9mm’s are literally cheaper than 22lr using scrounged lead and pickup brass, plus 9mm brass will last forever with those loads
@@chuckfinley3152
Yes sir. I do love 9mm for that purpose and pistols.
I dont think I'll ever see a 9mm carbine as anything besides a rang toy. Even without 300 blk. For defense I would prefer a short barreled 556 over a 9mm carbine.
Anyhow, merry Christmas Chuck :)
Florida Man merry Christmas!
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 300blk may have been intended to make 9mm sub guns obsolete but it was actually short AR's like the MK18 that did.
I want to get my hands on some of the AP bullets from Lehigh .
Since 300BLK was developed to replace 9mm in suppressed PDW, it a pretty epic performer.
Infortaining!
I liked, and for the record, I have 2 300BLK's with 16 inch barrels. 110 sierra Varminters jack up to full speed can work well, but for home defense, I like the Sierra 125 grain hollow point. It was made to work in a 30-30, so out a 16 inch you can get closer to it's intended speed. That, and for close range, ballistics mean very little. A word of caution here: 1) If you want to use these bullets, be sure to use 300blk mags. 2) Be sure to make certain your feed ramp is de-horned and smooth. Then make 10 without primers and powder and cycle then through your rifle to make sure they will 100% feed.
.300 BO most over hyped round right next to Valkyrie. Lol
Ohh come on, most over hyped, the 6.5CM wins that hands down.
Valkyrie I’ll give you. Surprised it’s still around to be honest.
I see more “why you don’t need .300 blackout” vids than anything. Wouldn’t call it overhyped by any stretch.
I love watching videos like this because it reminds me of Mythbusters and that always gets my juices flowing
And how does your 223 fare from an 8" bbl?
Worse than 300blk in every way lol
No one uses an 8" .223.
asdfghjk That’s exactly what he’s saying. Mobility in tight spaces. That’s why this round is so nice, I love my 16 inch HK MR556A1 but that’s a match rifle AR and stays in the safe most times. My Daniel Defense DDM4v7p law tactical folder 300 blackout goes everywhere with me in a backpack as my “I need more power and range than my 9mm Glock” gun especially now during coronavirus and if someone in a protest decides to get frisky.
@@CaptainCreampie69 Yeah I get that for sure. I'm not a fan of super short rifles/pistols, but 300BLK is for sure more effective in barrels of that length. I greatly prefer 5.56 in a 16-18" rifle personally, but I can see the benefit of the BLK.
how does your 220gr sub 300bl loads do? oh yea, BARELY better than 45 acp 230gr...
I use the Remington 120gr. OTFB green and white box 300 blkout for personal defense and to hunt with. I have taken deer out to 300 yds with this ammo out of my 11.5" Rosco barrel pistol length gas. Love this ammo and it's been extremely accurate and reliable.
Yeah there is a reason I never bought 300aac. No real use. Especially with all the 7.62x39 ammo available cheap to.
"No real use."
If that were my main criteria, I'd have a LOT less guns.
300BO is plain fun in a short barrel suppressed AR. Even unsuppressed, it's much more fun to shoot than the popular short barrel 223's. That's a great way to go deaf, ask arfcommer grey50beast.
@@LAWSON08most shots in my area are 250yds & beyond. Large game elk, moose bear & mule deer. Other than coyotes why would I want that caliber? Yes suppression is fun though question there.
I really like 7.62x39 also, but there are a few shortcomings that hold that round back from seriously shining. First is the fact that the rather heavy taper, while aiding in ease of extraction, does not play well with mag well geometry of the AR-15. It's doable, but without redesigning the standard AR mag well I doubt it will ever be as reliable as it is in an AK design or as 5.56 is in its AR-15 home. But, the big one for me is the .310 grove diameter and bullets. This greatly reduces the availability of quality bullet designs like controlled expanding jacketed soft points, bonded or not, and opposed its almost-identical twin of .308 diameter. Yes, I know Ruger and CZ run .308 barrels chambered for 7.62x39, but that requires special dies and you theoretically could run into some throat to ogive conflicts that could wreak havoc with seating depth.
@@rootjr.3658 I own two ar15s in 7.62x39. One built & one except ak mags. There are awesome. When I go to tx I use them for hogs. Cheap & they work on one the tougher animals in the lower 48. Now does 300 work suppressed better? Yes. But ammo is out for subsonic x39 & its cheap. Far as reloading why? With all the surplus & steel. There is some good brass ammo to. It's my opinion 300 is more hype. But that's me.
@@matthewfransen9447 At those ranges, and on big game, I wouldn't be excited over the little 7.62x39 either. Maybe a 270 or 30-06
It really does look like it would have performed better with only a 110 or maybe 115 grain projectile. Get it going just a little bit faster, and the additional expansion and velocity would compensate for the lower weight. Would the end result be better? Maybe. I'm not a magic 8 ball.
Facts don't care about fanboy feelings...
As I understand it, .300 BLK was developed for use as a subsonic round, for suppressed firearms with short barrels. That's a pretty small niche. If you're not going to use it for that, I think you'd be better off with a different caliber.
michael blacktree
It was developed to get performance from short barrels, whether sub or supersonic, and to cycle either suppressed or not. Still a somewhat small niche, but larger none the less.
I will agree though, if you’re not running it SBR, suppressed, or both you’re doing it wrong
"That's a pretty small niche."
- How so, we'd all have silencers if they were cheap and easy and we all want the shortest barrel we need to get the performance we're after. 300BO makes it easier and more practical to do what for most part we all want anyway, that's not a niche it's an optimization.
Supersonic 300blk has no reason to exist.
EDIT: I knew that would get the fanbois panties in a knot. lmao It's true tho.
Yah, who wants a devastating, non over penetrating round out of a short barreled ar15 anyways
Its like .223 is to 5.56. it's 10 percent less powerful. In other words, it cuts 50 meters off of the max range
@@paytonbachinski9540 The penetration exceeded the 18" max. And that's often the case for .300 AAC projectiles that perform well in other areas. I'd like to test some 5.56mm from a 7" upper but I don't have one.
Just looking at the comments I'd say you failed miserably. I think you're trying too hard. I expected more.
@@paulparadis66 they're used to getting trolled. Like cowboys fans.
Is overpenetration really an issue tho? How often will you use your ar pistol or sbr for hostage rescue in crowded places?
For hunting purposes a little more penetration never hurt nobody. And in self defense the shots that simply miss would do way more damage than a slowed down expanded projectile anyways, and you simply need a solid backstop anyways. The cavity is nasty and the pokey poke is deep, and at the end of the day those two combined will kill things pretty dead. Two or four legs.
Yes, bigger and faster bullets will do even more, but then you may only use .50bmg anyways. 300blk is meant as a compromise and those 100-130gr projectiles do far more than 5.56 would out of a short barrel. Throw a short and light titanium can on there and you have a perfect allrounder. Enough power, enough hearing protection, enough stability and accuracy, enough maneuverability.
A little expansion optimisation for slow velocities would of course help, but 300blk is a niche caliber for a pretty common niche.
Well you do not compare a 300 black out with a .308 you compare it with a 556 with respect to purpose of these short barreled weapons... Next any bullet traveling at any velocity is as potent as it is at that velocity and I say this tautology to point out that a .308 pushing that bullet at 600 yards at the same velocity that the 300BO pushing it at 100 yards *(totally made up numbers for the point) the target does not care. The velocity being the same the effect will also be the same. The purpose is what matters to its effectiveness not its velocity. I think you tend to frame things this way because at the end of the day you are trying to get clicks same reason you tend to take jabs at fanbois and IMHO it just juxtaposes poorly with your otherwise technical proficiency. IMHO just the facts ma'am would serve your format better..same with the fanbois are they really the audience for these otherwise highly technical videos? I think not..
Found a 300hype-out fanboy 😆
@@ds6872 exactly 😂
Why the fuck would you compare a .30 too a .223? Do you understand calibers? Not barrel lengths lmfao.
@@Rob_Nasty
Because 300 and 223 are both intermediate calibers fitting in an AR mag, while the 308 isn't
@@theimmortal4718 .308 fits in a AR. You mean a .308 doesnt fit in a Ar15 platform.
According too that logic. Since 9mm/.45 fit in a AR15 platform we should compare them to a .223, still doesnt make sense.
I dont own a single rifle chambered in 300 blackout. However, I feel like there are flaws in this logic. Hand gun rounds that are fired from much smaller barrels and travel at a slower rate of speed seem to mushroom just fine. Can you make another video where you test the mushrooming on various types of 300 blackout ammo, please?
The only problem with 762 is it doesnt work in an AR. Lol
Florida Man 762 is fine if set up properly, I was a little worried when I built my 10 1/2" AR Pistol 3 years ago but so far never had a problem.
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Fine for non serious use. Not fine for serious use.
Florida Man that may be true, it's not my go to weapon I was just throwing it out there that I've never had a problem with it.
@@jeremyduffield8717
I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I just wish someone could make it happen proper. I've heard good things about the mutant iirc. Whichever company made an AR10-15 mix so the bolt was able to be beefed up.
Florida Man it's all good man, I don't get uptight stuff like that was just sharing my experience with it
As a 300 blk lover, I know it’s not perfect but when I was planning my MK18 sized pistol, I wanted something that wasn’t 5.56
300 bo is only good for shooting suppressed.
Shooting is only good shooting suppressed.
Jump on the suppressor bandwagon, you’ll never want to shoot any other way
I like how it made a surpringly large permanent wound channel...then he goes on to describe how much it sucks. Based on his reaction, it did better than he expected.