Hey Spare parts army thank you for watching , I had a ton of fun making this one it was cool to get the chance to shoot the MCX 300 blackout at the range first hand. Let me know what you think of this ammo / weapon configuration ?
One of the things with JDJ and SSK, they have a long history of producing proprietary cartridges, meaning the exact dimensions are considered "trade secret" .300-Whisper was one of those, made from a .221 fireball case, necked up. When AAC used a cut-down 5.56 case and submitted it to SAAMI, they had a winner on their hands, the only thing more common than .22LR and 9mm brass on most ranges is 5.56 brass. so now anyone could cut-down that brass to make .300BLK brass. Everyone could make barrels, and bullets and ammo for it. So it got adopted widely, and almost immediately. I still really like my 5.56 and that's my go to, but my .300BLK just makes me giggle.
After Obama and Clinton, the realities of ammo issues set in. Furthermore ALL commercial ammo for the 45-70 with one exception is loaded weak to cover the Springfield trap door. So I went to reloading my own. I fundamentally load 45-70 in a wide variety of choices and I load 300 blackout. Today my issue has been primers. Might as well be looking for teeth on a chicken. I am an engineer, machinist and woodworker. Guns are nothing but tools like a wood plane or shovel. Needed but not what interests me. The 45-70 keeps me eating elk steak dinners which I do enjoy.
@@deplorabledave1048 If you try to cut down 5.56 brass and make .300 Whisper, it won't chamber as the neck is too thick, you have to ream/turn the neck. The 7.62 vs 308, the 308 is designed for a higher pressure of 65000PSI, 7.62, even though many military firearms can handle that pressure, they're designed to work best with 50000PSI ammo. This is one of the reason federal GMM performs better than LR118.
Chris I enjoy your presentations. I’m not a veteran and don’t have knowledge of the topics you present, but your humor and knowledge on the topic you present make watching your videos very enjoyable to watch. Well done, carry on.
They are cool cause he's just being himself. What makes this channel unique. Half of it is the info, explanition, history, lessons etc. Other half is Chris's great goofy wise crack comedy entertainment. Mixing military tech data with almost stand up comedy! I did notice he was wearing a Mystery Science Theater 3000 t-shirt so it all made sense then.
I have a .300 blackout AR and love it. I've hit targets with it at 800m using supersonic ammo. Definitely can tell it's not designed for that type of range but still capable of doing it. It's all around a fun caliber that I love shooting. Main downside is that right now it's more expensive to shoot.
Shit I've made hits at 500 with subsonic out of a 7.5" barrel. It's just more artillery than direct fire, and has the energy of a wadded up piece of paper. If you're curious I was aiming at tree tops and a spotter was walking them in, not saying I'm a super sniper.
@@hackmedia7755 The case volume of 308 is so large that no powder will use up that much volume without filler material that will clog up a sound suppressor. Also, 308 subsonic will not cycle a semi-auto. Moreover, it doesn't fit into AR magazines.
@@rsilvers129 yea I just saw a bunch of videos of how it's not enough pressure to cycle AR-10s but it's ok in a bolt-action. I wish there wasn't a russian ammo ban. The 7.62 x 39 subsonic is an affordable option pretty close to 300 blk. I got equipment to reload 300 blk but haven't seen primers in a long time.
@@hackmedia7755Size. Weight. Compatibility. Those are a few reasons. 308 subs are a MUCH larger cartridge and the AR-10 platform is obviously significantly larger than the AR-15/M4 platform. There aren’t too many “6.5 inch barreled 308 PDWs” out there lol
Built a carbine 16", a 10.5 pistol now working on a 7.5" PDW. Love the cartridge and going between subsonic and 125gr supersonic. I was able to load 7.62 black tip and penatrate 1/4" armor plate in my 10.5"! Can get .223 sabots to cycle, too! You can do a lot with this.
As someone who had no knowledge of 300 Blackout prior to this video, I thank you for the detailed delivery of the information. As an Army vet who has only owned .556 rifles, I have a few friends who have only mentioned about the 300 Blackout in passing. I happened to see this video in my feed so I thought that I'd check it out. I come away with a better understanding of the round and it's capabilities. Kudos!
This video is a terrible representation of both the round and the rifle. Please look other places. He’s so wrong legally and fundamentally he should be reported for lying.
We worked on this concept about the same time as Mr. Jones but his ballistics genius won out. Our round started with a 7.62x25 Tokarev case but loaded with a 147 grain FMJ.. It actually was a beautiful sub sonic round. We also created a 180 grain round in a .30 carbine case that was made straight walled and then slightly bottlenecked. this was a 150 yard max range round though. it destabilized extremely fast past that .but it was designed for very close quarters though.. We also designed a 12 ga Micro-Grenade and launcher.. Basically a mortar you could carry in a shoulder holster... The 80s were fun times.
No, we were much smaller than that, And a bit more clandestine. We did research for a group founded by General Mitchell Werbell in Power Springs Georgia. Very few ever even heard about anything we did.
Sub sonic suppressed .300blk is my home defense setup. Don't want to go deaf momentarily while trying to fight off an intruder in the middle of the night.
@@riboflavinfolate3964 Have you tried firing it in an enclosed space yet? I think you're going to be surprised by the fact that it will probably still leave your ears ringing. At least the flash will not be too bad.
@@Jermdizzle Not in an enclosed area, but outdoors it sounded about as loud as someone banging on one of this big plastic residential garbage cans that the garbage trucks pick up with their hydraulic arm. I know it definitely wouldn't be mouse quiet indoors with no ear pro, but having shot an .50ae desert eagle indoors with no ear pro before, I know it wouldn't leave my ears ringing for minutes on end either.
I've got a few barrels in the 300 whisper precursor that I've been shooting since 2008. Now switched over the 300BLK as you can actually buy everything you need commercially. I have a variety of progressive hearing loss and have tried to shoot everything suppressed, but aside from 22lr, the 300BLK is by far the easiest rifle round to get on target out to 150 yards. Since I only hunt out to about 75 yards, no question: I use it every time. My next favorite hunting round is suppressed 458 SOCOM, but those pricey little cigars only make a difference for bigger game.
I appreciated this video. I knew practically nothing of the .300 Blackout cartridge, and was very pleased to learn about it today. I am an old (older than you want to know) .308 long-range shooter that still gets out to the range once in awhile, so I won't be adopting any new rifle cartridge, but I do love to learn about what others are doing with others.
Have heard the platform compared to the Vietnam Era. 45acp hushpuppy. May not have the speed of a .9mm or .556, but when 260gr of lead hits home, there's no question about the stopping power, and mitigation of over-penetration. Aside from the obvious unique application by high speed door kickers, it makes for an outstanding home defense platform. Cool video man. Thanks for serving. 🇺🇸👍
I have the MCX with all the barrels and accessories. It is my favorite weapon. The 300 blk round is my go to due to it's versatility. The only issue I have with SIG is that they never released the 7.62x39 conversion kit for the MCX platform like they promised. Only 5.56 and 300 blk.
@@kathrynck No, the MCX was announced in this caliber in 2014. I got mine in 2016 they just didn't feel the need to do it based on the 300s popularity.
Your content is great and i really appreciate you telling us about the war in Ukraine and i would love it if you could give us weekly update on it as the tv and other social media can't tell us the real story.
@@joseantonioliguori4976 do you mean as done by Putin? I shall have to watch again to see where Task & Purpose advocated for limiting free speech. In what context.
After shooting a friend’s 300 blackout suppressed, I fell in love with the 300 blackout. That got me into a SBR in 300 BLK with a suppressor. Lots of fun😃😃😃
Yessir. One of my ccl weapons is loaded with the humble subsonic Eley in 22 lr. It sounds weak, but it's quiet (not creating mass chaos), very low recoil and accurate at closer ranges, little if any over penetration concerns, and for the naysayers - take a double tap to face, throat or genitals and see who' still laughing. Furthermore, practice is relatively affordable and with even a modest bullet trap you can practice in the garage or even living room without messing things up.
A longer bullet can overcome a great deal of subsonic rounds' perceived lack of penetration. Hornady's 220 gr ELD-X is predicted to be only 8.23 feet low at 1000 yards at 778 fps and it got there in 3.29 seconds.
@@acoaks84 not for police or paramilitary tho also it's good for spec ops (who chose this ammo) for CQB wetwork to avoid civvies getting hit due to collateral penetration of rounds during any potential fire fights
The M17 pistol and the MCX are two of my favorite weapons to own. Quality AT it's best. If SIG Sauer also gets the NGSW contract, they are Set for the future.
This weapon(weapon system?) is possibly meant to replace subs in covert spec-op missions, and boy it looks way cooler than an Mp5 while remaining very quiet.
I've got an mp5 (semi) and an MCX Rattler in 300blk. The mp5 is a toy in comparison. The issue with subsonic ammo for me seems to be loading it to a particular barrel length so you're getting 1,050ish fps. 190gr Sub-X and 194gr LeHighs are the most common expanding subsonic projos. Almost everything else won't expand or tumble reliably (even the 245gr bullets went straight through gel).
@@no-sway3709 I just started shooting 300BLK in december and have an AR with 10.5 barrel and a bolt action with 16in barrel chambered in the caliber. I have a wolfman suppressor coming in soon and Im wondering if subsonic 300blk would be enough for a deer or if I should just stick to supers. Ive only tested 300blk on the range a couple times but I have so many different bullet weights and brands ive tested and still have to keep testing since I got a new prism scope for my AR (110 vmax, several 125gr, 150gr, 190, 208 and 220gr). Any recommendations for your favorite bullet weight for subs and supers?
@@jackmemphis777 I would hunt with supers - specifically barns black tip. If you want to use subs on critters, then the Lehigh 194s are about all I'd recommend. For practice ammo I load 220gr berry's, but have had accuracy issues with them. I run only subs with a 9mm can that goes back and forth from my mp5. Got 2 .30 cans in atf jail.
Looks like a worthy successor to the trusty MP5's, especially for armor penetrating room clearing, and stealthy infiltration approaches. Seems super versatile with caliber and barrel swaps, plus lightweight design for long humps.
Pretty interesting how guns seem just basic things that were invented a loong time ago. Burn fuel -> propel bullet, end of story. And yet there's a ton of tech, improvement and finesse coming out all the time when you think about it.
Agree. Industry needs to be experimenting with new powders and bullet materials. What the military chooses really sets the standard due to the volume they drive. Otherwise, it's the old hunting standards that seem to fill the shelves.
I don't think that much has changed with firearms since WW2 . The introduction of plastics into the stock is new (1980s). The trend to small caliber weapons to allow for more ammunition to carry . The really big changes with firearms is the optics, which continue to innovate and improve. The attempt at caseless ammo didn't work out and has been dumped.
@@MrJdebest barrels especially for long range I'm not sure short range but basically they design the barrel and use ultrasound and even measure vibration
It's what I use. 194gr LeHighs are brutal. I use a 9mm 147gr gold dot for smaller stuff, but I've seen a hog shake off a hit from one. I didn't go out intending to hunt, but we happened to ambush a group. I had a 22lr and 3 rounds of 9mm...
@@blackhawk7r221 my problem is that I went for a 10.5" down to a 5.5" barrel. I haven't had the time to play around yet. On a Rattler there's less to balance because of design. I scored 5lbs of VV n120 to try. AA 1680 is too gassy.
@@no-sway3709 Don’t feel alone in trying to work up BLK loads. I have blown up two bolts so far messing with that volatile 296. 34,000 psi my ass. Seems like less than max loads with any airspace greatly increase pressure. I’m getting better results with CFE BLK at only 27,000 psi and 19.0 to push a 150 to about 1950 fps. IF, I can find it, and it’s pricey. I’m currently loading various charges of IMR 4227 to try out.
35 years ago I was involved in Firearms retail and spent a lot of time sitting around reading through whatever was at hand in the store. We would hand load ammunition to use in the range downstairs so inevitably I read a lot about ballistics. Too much in fact. Even back then the talk was about 9 mm versus 40 cal which led me to think along the lines of a 40-cal MP5 or even 30 carbine to upgrade the weapons effectiveness. Then years later when I read about 300 Blackout when it first appeared I said that's it, there's your serious MP/carbine ammo.
the Russians have a junk army, but they actually came out with the concept first 9x39mm. They were smart enough to make the round so that it would not chamber in an AK-47 . That's the real problem with .300 BLK, it will chamber in an M4.
@@Gieszkanne hmm, forgot about 8mm kurtz. Only categorized as a machine pistol because Addy wouldn't buy it otherwise. Just like the Germans to get it right the first time. Then Uncle Joe copied it 7.62x39. Then everybody threw it out and went with varmint rounds and now we're going back to the beginning again. At this rate they'll be reissuing 1911's
i built my own blackout around three years ago but since we're not allowed to have "mufflers" in california, i went with the super sonic, 16" barrel configuration. one of the main issues i saw with the blackout was the cyclic problems of this system. looking further into the problem, the obvious conflict was running 220 gr rounds with a pistol length gas system without a suppressor. my build was a full on rifle length gas tube where the first thing done was drill out the gas port to .125" and put on an adjustable block. on the other end, an adjustable buffer which got set up as H3 to start. making my own loads using .308/125 gr tips, i was hitting targets at 200 yards without malfunctions unsuppressed. no weight adjustments on the buffer and none to the gas block. if you don't have to be 'quiet', i recommend this build because you can hit hard until you run out of ammo and if needed, press two pins, swap to a 5.56 NATO upper, carry on the fight using the same ammo and mags as those around you. this is not something you can do with a 7.62 x 39 platform.
@@keayrhyasen1154 ahhh good stuff, had me a little worried for your safety. I took 2x bear with a suppressed 205gr a few years ago, was worried about penetration but it went through bone fat and muscle just fine.
I remember when .300 BLK first came out. I picked up two Umlaut AR’s (made in NH where I was living at that point in time) and fitted them with OSS cans. I had never owned a suppressed rifle before and everything else I had was 5.56 or 7.62x51 and 39 and I was told that 5.56mm didn’t suppress well and at that point in time financially it wasn’t an option for me. Anyways after putting a few hundred rounds down range out of both of them (one is an SBR and one has a 16” barrel) I was absolutely blown away. Compared to the M4 I had during OIF even without a can, the performance was night and day.
i cant wait to try my dead air wolfman suppressor on my 300blk AR, bolt action 300blk and my UDP-9. It works with 5.56 too but I dont intend on using it with that caliber much. Ive been waiting almost 10 months for my suppressor so I should get it any day now
@@josephfranzen5626 idk why it's taking so long I should have it any time now. I've never had a suppressor and I'm itching to get my wolfman. I think it will be amazing with subsonic 300blk and subsonic 9mm. I'll be using it hunting with 300blk supers for hunting so my ears don't ring
Even stateside doing a lot of the higher risk security contracting we have seen an uptick in .300AAC usage, particularly in vehicle-based operations. Considering the weapons are generally smaller in profile due to the reduced length of the firearms (especially when guys are rocking integrated suppressor setups) as well as the less obtrusive noise profiles from when weapons go hot, it makes sense that more and more we are seeing usage of it. I
thats all we used in executive protection was subsonic 300blk we carried ar15 with a 8in barrel and idk what brand of suppressors but we did that incase we needed to engage in a populated area to not cause mass hysteria from our gunshots
I think Tim, from the Military Arms Channel, compiled data about muzzle velocity and barrel length. Short 10 inch barrel?? No problem, I don't know why, but, for engagements under a 100 yards, the muzzle velocity between an 8 inch and 14 inch barrel hardly differs.
Anyone state side doing anything your describing is ether training for doing thing not state side, or a police department that likes to waste taxpayers money on equipment that does not surpass the performance or price of any conventional legacy equipment in any relevant way, or security guards larping as delta force, or civilians playing with a new range toy
@FFD D your Correc as a DC we never carried those state side it was ony side arms or 9mm pdws but over seas the 300blk sbr was our main go to. This does not apply to the UK or most of europe
I got on the .300 Blackout train a couple of years ago with a Daniel Defense set up. It didn't take me long to get back off that train. Don't much like it personally
If you have ever seen the night time raid from Sicario: Day of The Soldado where they capture Bashir, that is why they need 300 blackout subsonic or the Russian 9x39 equivalent. Otherwise, the entire village would have been alerted as soon as the first guy dropped.
I've been using a .300 BLK in an AR platform for a few years for daylight hog hunting. I love the 120 grain ballistics but you have to be very precise if you want to drop the hog within a decent distance. I switched to 220 grain subsonic, which I had no idea there would be so much of a drop difference. Once I figured that out, I could whack feral hogs with that thing better than Robert DeNiro with a baseball bat.
I got a new PA 3x prism scope for my 300BLK AR (I still have to zero it) but when its zeroed at 50 yards it has drop indicators for both 125gr and 220gr ammo. I have so many different bullet weights for 300BLK though but at least it should make it easier to switch between supers and subs and remain accurate out to a couple hundred yards
@@Krieghandt me and my buddy in high school used to kill hogs and coyote with his dad's lever action 45/70 all the time lol he got charged by a hurt hog once and blew it's entre lower part of its face off like 3 feet away from him lmao
Great vid! Thanks! Looks like a great short range weapon, but won't out-range or out-scare a GPMG, but definitely one-level up from most SMGs. Love the silent muzzle, now for similar versions of mortars, howitzers and SP Arty!
The pistol powder being used is a great idea, in addition to better velocities from short barrels you also have the less risk of unburnt powder or dress gasses from still burning powder after the projectile has left
i'm pretty sure there is no such thing as "pistol" powder you guys seem to have got all this stuff confused, this was it's design spec: "and subsonic performance greater than standard 9mm (the ubiquitous pistol and submachine gun) round" so the only mention of pistol for this weapon is that this fun needed to beet the MP5 silenced version...... no other "pistol calibres" or i dunno what this guy is going on about tbh, citations would be nice, prob TFB TV or something
@@DarkShroom it's basically the burn rates of powder, pistols typically have faster burning powder to get more power from a shorter barrel, while a longer burning powder is better in longer barrels
I followed a guy growing up who had built a number of .300 AR variants working the bugs out of the system. It's cool to see what has come out of the .300 Blackout. Most folks don't know or understand the amount of work that enthusiasts go through to get these wildcats out of the loading shack into the wild. At that point most loads fail to have a strategic purpose: it's cool to see .300 Blackout has been found to be handy. We know the future of combat is likely to take us into deep, dark, confined spaces, so it appears as though it has a future.
So basically US developed own vss vintorez ammo and frame equivalent. Good for you US, it only took you like 35 years realize the potential of such weapon design.
Great video, but it seemed more about the MCX then the 300BLK. Bummer as the round works beautifully in other platforms. To include 6 and 9 inch AR variants. With an added benefit of further increased sound mitigation due to the direct impingement gas exchange happening inside the firearm vs. externally (No pop from the piston basically.)
@@professionaljihadi4052 oh I know, not a criticism of the video or even really the title. I guess a criticism of the comment regarding and i'm paraphrasing here. "The MCX performs better with a 6/9 barrel" Not really the case. I would hate to steer citizens away from an AR based platform that will most likely be cheaper (Q stuff excluded.) I love the caliber, the more people that use it. The more the ammo will become readily available. I just don't want some dude or dudette to go dang, i'd love to have this but an MCX is expensive and I guess AR platforms don't run the round well?
my 7" 300 blackout has massive recoil compared to the 5.56 12" barrel I have with supersonic ammo. I even got a tuned gas block from black river tactical to try and tame it a little bit but it's insane and follow up shots are way better with 5.56 for me. Think I can put a heavier buffer in or something?
Your openness to comments, criticisms, omissions, etc. is refreshing. I'm biased, but great video. Anybody concerned about cost, try used, layaway, or just buying parts over the course of a year (think it took me longer than that 😂). Well worth it.
This dude is getting more and more comfortable and professional in front of the camera. You have talent for the screen. You give off Sitcom star vibes. Congrats on the success of your channel
Love your videos. I'm 3 minutes and 31 seconds into this one and I just have to make some clarifications..... I think I built my first AR in 300 AAC in 2012 not long after SAAMI approval, but 300 Whisper has been around a lot longer still--not 2015 when SIG/Sig USA may have started overzealously marketing it or whatever. AAC pushed it through SAAMI, not "Sig". There is more powder in a 5.56 case than there is in a 300 AAC case. I have loaded tens of thousands of them. Depending on the powder and projectile combo, subsonic Blackout contains a bit less than half the weight of powder in grains when compared to a 5.56x45mm. The increased felt recoil from a subsonic Blackout is because the projectile weighs four times as my as a 55gr .244 proje' from a 5.56. Love your channel keep up the good work.
Get the 300 BO magazines for it, as well. Lancer and Magpul are the best. And mark your magazines so you know the difference, a 300 BO round will fit in your AR15, which would make for a very bad day.
@@paraglidingnut26 no, it won't. The .300 round will headspace off the projectile and chamber in a 5.56 chamber, fire, and banana peel the upper. A 5.56 round will not fit in a .300 blackout chamber because the shoulder on the .300 chamber is closer to the breech face
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Just tried it out on my AR barrels and yes you are correct. Big mistake on my part. I'm not new to action shooting, 19 years of IDPA, just new to the 300 BO game. Thanks!
@@paraglidingnut26 no problem, man. Just be real careful, dropping a 300 in a 5.56 chamber is catastrophic. Fun fact, 7.62x39mm in a .243Win chamber does the same thing.
I've used a short barreled .300 blackout with a suppressor in a night shoot-house with PVS-15s. It was pretty sweet (for that application). Let's be honest though, subsonic, ballistics is basically identical to the .45 acp.
As much as ‘Merica loves .45ACP, I think we could all agree that 300 BO has distance & versatility over the venerable .45ACP. Just buy more of both to solve modern problems.
Depends. Subsonic 300 ACC has a better ballistic coefficient so it maintains its power far longer than .45 acp and fmj can go through more than what 45 acp could. Then you have the option to go supersonic...
The round is more like a 30-30 but the brass is a cut down 7.62x39. The official caliber for 300 blk is 7.62x35. I own one with both 300 and 556 barrels. You can change them out very easily and quickly. Would highly recommend. I still have some steel 300 from Czech Republic before the ban. It is in fact a little longer than the us made 300 with brass
I think SOCOM now has some new special 220gr projectiles with a Tungsten core for subsonic close range body armor penetration. I think it's the same projectile they wanted for the 300 Norma Mag sniper rifle.
I have a 300 Blackout on an AR platform. I use it for both hogs and deer. I would not use it for hunting for shots over 200 yards, but inside that the supersonic rounds have plenty of punch. It's ballistics are similar to the 7.62x39 AK round. There is a big difference in the sound between the supersonic and subsonic ammo - that supersonic crack is very noticeable. With the subsonic rounds you can hear the bullet hit the target. I really like the round. It is enough for east Texas hunting and is very versatile.
I having been loading 300 blackout for several years. I run a AAC 7.62 SDN can on an AR platform and a Rem. 700 tactical chassis. Nothing is more silent than a 300 blackout bolt rifle. With all of the different .30 cal bullets around the choices are endless.
3:33 edit: The .300 blk does not have more powder loaded into it. In fact it has less due to the shorter case capacity and longer projectile, albeit a faster burning powder needed for a shorter barrel. (.300 BLK reaches mostly complete burn at 8" barrel, vs 12" for the 5.56) It is the weight of the bullet (often 2-3 times as much weight as a normal 55gr or 62 gr 5.56 NATO round) which causes any increase in felt recoil due to the inertia which can be countered some with proper gas tuning and a heavier weight buffer. (Edit: this last bit was partially incorrect cause I forgot something lol, see comments from @Savage2Flinch below:) [Also, a suppressor doesn't really mitigate recoil through trapping/redirecting gases like a compensator or muzzle break, it does it through added weight on the end of the barrel.]
The weight of the bullet is NOT what accounts for most of the recoil in a firearm. It's the gasses which jet out of the muzzle, usually overtaking the bullet over a short distance. It's something known as the "rocket effect". If this weren't the case, then a muzzle break wouldn't work. Think about it.
More specifically, it's not a reaction against the inertia of the accelerating bullet, but simply the firearm behaving like a rocket for a short time when high velocity gases jet out the front of the muzzle. And a suppressor (a.k.a. silencer) can reduce recoil by up to 60%, simply by slowing down the gasses. That's how silencers work, and that's why a muzzle break is still loud, despite it redirecting gasses: a silencer slows the gasses down by causing them to be reflected back on themselves by the baffles inside. The kinetic energy of the gases is turned into heat, and the gases exit subsonically behind the bullet, instead of in a supersonic cone in front, reducing both recoil and report.
@@Savage2Flinch That's partially correct but you're forgetting that the mass of the projectile itself plays heavily into that equation, especially when it comes to felt recoil which is what I was talking about. A 300blk or even like a .44 mag handgun round with less powder and therefore less gas and expansion has more felt recoil than a 5.56 despite the 5.56 having a higher chamber pressure so if it were solely dictated by the expansion of gasses then this would not be the case. Due to the equal and opposite reaction of accelerating a heavier mass, the initial recoil impulse delivered into the shooter's shoulder before any mitigation by buffer, recoil pad, etc, is larger. Where gas comes back into play is the burn rate and velocity of the cartridge which speed + mass = increase in inertia and increase in felt recoil. I do admit that I forgot about the effect of the suppressor turning the gasses subsonic though lol.
@@dutchrjen I agree for the most part. You got the muzzle break right, but I would put 60% of the recoil in the gas, because it's moving faster than the bullet. It has to. It's under pressure, even at the muzzle. If that weren't the case, then near the end of the barrel the gas pressure would be negligible. So the gas has a higher kinetic energy per unit mass, and kinetic energy is proportional to the square of velocity, so the difference matters.
Am I the only one that sees the huge similarity with the 9x39 used be the VSS and AS VAL? 7.62mm bullet in 5.56 cartridge compared 9mm bullet in 7.62 cartridge, 300 Blackout is like it's little brother. Both used by Special Operations units, with the focus on high penetration and low sound.
Similar, but 300blk is also meant to perform at supersonic velocities. Essentially you are consolidating the role of carbine and smg in the same weapon.
The SAS have the MCX Rattler chambered in .300blackout specifically for counter terrorism in cities, to stop a vehicle by mag dumping the engine block and driver.
@@coreygolder6503 it's a meme of a round that no military uses. France special forces despite being NATO (GIGN) in 7.62x39 Finland switched from 5.56 and uses 7.62x39 Bulgaria uses 7.62x39 Russian alpha groups use 7.62x39 out of mid length barrels. As seen in larry Vickers videos. Russians use a mix between 5.45x39 and 7.62x39. And even produce new modernised AKs in 7.62x39 Here in Europe we have tons of subsonic rounds etc and 7.62x39 has more energy. I cant understand why people choose a round that isn't used by any military or police agencies. Unless you guys don't have the ammo options we have in Europe
For us civilian armchair types to whom the Stoner design is about the only shoulder fired weapon that we’re intimately familiar with due to our prior, relative uneventful military service days before the world got a lot more evil, the 300 AAC Blackout is a great tool. An upper that slaps onto your existing lower when you want something substantial enough for deer that are within 100-300 yard, other game, etc. I don’t currently have anything in that caliber, but your video presentation really hit on the important reasons for the 300 AAC’s existence.
I’m super biased cause I love the cartridge and the engineering behind it, can’t wait to see it widely adopted to make it 223 like available for folks.. keep up the content it’s good 🤟🏾
sounds like the perfect home defense gun. Won't hurt your ears, will deliver effective results, high capacity, mount a light on this bad boy and you've got the perfect solution to bad guys making problems.
This channel is some of my favorite content on any platform. I really appreciate the hard work of everyone making this happen. I give y’all the least ironic Hoo-ah I can give!
I guess it's worth mentioning that that kind of magic existed in Russia since the 1980s in form of 9x39mm caliber and a family of weapons using it (Vintorez, Val etc).
A heavy subsonic round wasn't the magic part. Making it function with a standard AR bolt and magazine was. The 9x39 round was the same basic concept, but you can't just change the barrel on an AK and use it, as the front trunnion and gas system would have to be modified, and standard AK mags won't work.
@@joshm3484 Heavy subsonic bullet is not the magic part, heavy subsonic bullet that can penetrate class 3 vest is. THAT was the challenge. All that business about changing barrels etc is icing on the cake. IMO, anyway.
Would love to have one but I just refuse to get anything that requires a tax stamp. My main reason for not wanting to do it is that you can't cross state lines with it once it's an sbr.To me at least for the time being a braced pistol is the best bet as far as traveling restrictions. Thank you Cappy for more content.
I made my own 300BLK rounds from .556 cases. It was a process. I had to anneal the cases after cutting them down then again after resizing them. This way I could use a variety of brass brands. I loaded most of them subsonic with a 208gr bullet. Love that round for home defense.
My 10.5" 300 BLK pistol is my favorite gun to shoot by far. Really hope this "niche" setup stays around for a long time, because it's perfect for a home defense weapon - short, accurate, quiet, and super effective at close range. It outclasses handguns and 16" carbine platforms in every way for this function.
those dutch operators were not special forces but a special hybrid police force that consists of police officers and operators fromMARSOF. it is called the DSI dienst speciale interventies (Department of special interventions) and command lies under the dutch national police.
I kind of wish you went a little more into the weeds on what are the differences in subsonic and supersonic rounds. Bullet weight? Powder type or load? Case length? Etc. This is in good faith, I don’t know much about .300 blackout except for what was said in this video.
It's all grain related, thus making a heavier round the higher the grains. Anything around 200 grains will be subsonic, but also travels slower than supersonic. Subs can also have cycling issues based on weapon platforms.
Hello :) It is probally not an important detail but I feel like it should be mentioned. The major drawback is the 300 BLK is that it is unable to penetrate body armor rated higher than 3A (NIJ Standard) depending on the ammo type used. 9x39 and 12.7x55 (Russian) can penetrate IV. 9x39 penetrates 2.8mm of titanium at 200 yards
@@riboflavinfolate3964 Correct. 9x39 can do it sub sonic. The US hasn't been up against a major military in several years so it isn't a big deal because most of their enemies don't have armor atm
I assembled a Palmetto State pistol lower into a .300AAC package with a 7" barrel, Law Tactical folding adapter, and Sandman K silencer. It's probably my favorite gun, and intended as a backpack EDC option in my truck or out in a crowded place for a day with the family. Did I mention it also has a Pantheon Arms DOLOS takedown kit installed? The whole thing packs down to a 10"x12" size and can be assembled and deployed in 20 seconds. The sidearm will be for immediate response, but 30 rounds of .30 cal hate lies in waiting should an active shooter situation unfold where I happen to be. Great caliber for the job.
This .300 Blackout looks neat. Perfect for a group of SF guys wearing ski mask imprinted with ghostly skulls, hiding in the shadows. All we need is a rifle for this caliber that is prob named after a vicious animal infamous for biting someone's balls lol
@@skydivingcomrade1648 Well I guess it might be harder to get in the US - since you guys had Biden to stop the importation of surplus stuff. But here in europe I can still get surplus 7.62x39 for considerably cheaper than I can get even the cheapest .223. And that is much cheaper than .300blk.
.762 and .556? Am I really lost or there's a mistake in the video? As far as I understand it's 7.62 and 5.56mm or .300 and .223 respectively, hence .300 blackout.
I'm not confused about the practical side of things, but the video said ".762 caliber" and ".556 caliber" and I don't think that's correct. I know it's pedantic to correct small mistakes like this but I'm just a bit surprised a channel this level makes such a basic mistake. Not here to hate whatsoever.
@@alkestos haha you'd be surprised, this channel is actually relatively new! I've been subbed since he just had like... 5k subscribers? That was just a year or two ago, if that. His content is awesome, and he totally blew up - but what I love about him is that he's just a normal guy like us, just clueing us civvies into the military stuff he knows. (And showing us all the shiny awesome toys that his newfound status as a top-notch military channel gives him access to now!)
I normally love this channel, but this just so happens to be a topic that I’m very knowledgeable on, and wow, there is a lot “wrong” - not necessarily incorrect, but the back and forth between stats for supers and subs would be highly confusing for someone without knowledge of the caliber. The beginning makes it seem like the 300BLK came out in 2015, the end mentions US forced switching between M4 and AK variants, etc etc. Makes me question the validity of the other videos. Happy to explain to anyone confused by this.
The Russians had the VSS 9mm “Special” sniper rifle 25 years ago. A heavy 9mm slug in a cut down rifle case to give an effective 200 meter range suppressed. History repeats. Except in 30 caliber. Fox out.
@@NukieDookie Metric cartridge designations go into one ear and out the other. Being an old Fudd as they say. I know that weapon/cartridge combo as the Russians call it. VSS “special” purpose. Is there a point beyond that? Fox out.
@@MrJento 9mm which you used in your original post is metric. 9 millimetre (millimeter for Americans). Also 9mm is a 30 cal. round, .354 of an inch. The VSS is closer to 35-40 years old and the 9x39 began development in the 1940s and has also been around for 40 years.
@@efoxneo Thanks. I do know that 9mm is typically .356 in a Luger. The makarov runs .362. I’m not sure of the VSS as to exact caliber, case length or age. I know it’s 9 mm, I know it’s quiet and slow. I know everybody went bonkers when we first got one in the 1980’s from Afghanistan. And operationally it’s about like this blackout. I am familiar with the metric system. I just don’t like it. That’s ok. They are getting ready to change it again for what the 6 or 7 time? As to metric cartridges. People say metric is better. More accurate. Our old “38” calibers were actually .357-358 inch. Unless they were a long colt, .375 or a smith and wesson .362. Then there was the 36 navy which was .376-380. What I did not get for years was the “by” designation of the metric system. I like the 6.5 Swedish mauser. I’ll even call it 6.5x55 to make every body happy. It’s a true 6.5mm aka .264. But then there are a lot of other old 6.5mm. The greek 6.5x54. It’s actually a .261-2 bore. The Italian carcano is .268-9, Manlicher is .267-8 and so forth. Then the X metric case length is a joke. You measure to the datum point on the shoulder of the case. Not total length. The datum point is defined in the print but it’s not easily located on the case to actually measure. The variation in all the 6.5 mm bullet diameters is not sloppy machine work. It due to the fact that the millimeter was re-defined twice in the 1890-1910 period when most 6.5 calibers were designed. On paper they are all 6.5 but in reality they run .260-.271 in diameter. By contrast the inch has been stabile and unchanged since the 1780’s. Not so the meter. Now people don’t like the inch. They say it’s hard to use. Fractions and all. So 6.5mm as opposed to 264/1000. Except you can express any fraction as a decimal. .264 for example. In the end only one nation put a man on the moon. That feat was done using the inch as a standard. Not the meter. NASA switched to metric in the mid-80’s so that we could play nice with the EU and dock with the Soviet space station. We have not been back to the moon. Lost a space shuttle. Have to ask Russia to give us a ride to the space station. And three out of seven of our mats rovers crapped out before the design life was up. Meanwhile we have old probes built in the inch days in the 70’s surprising people because the are still sending data back 40 years after they were supposed to die. One has even left the solar system and is still talking. So yes I’m an old Fudd. I like things in thousandths of an inch. Not to the nearest tenth of a millimeter. Especially when you don’t tell me which of six slightly different millimeters your talking about. I still have to get a calliper out, measure your metric part, then I can set a tool up and make the part. In inches. Adjusted to agree with your millimeter. The one you happen to be using today. Not the one you used 70 years ago. Fox, the Fudd, out.
I bought a ‘pistol rifle’ w 300 blackout. I liked it. I went to outside range, shot off all the ammo I had. After that I couldn’t find any 300 ammo in the stores. The guy I bought it from offered me a colt 556 rifle and a glock pistols for it. Since I couldn’t find any ammo I traded it away for a colt 556 and a Glock 26. Good deal!
You guys need to take up reloading. I wouldn't encourage you to buy a 300BLk to run suppressed subsonic without knowing how to load for it. Berry's 200gr bullet + casing used 5 times + primer + powder (n120/AA1680/H110) comes out to about $.40/round which is unfortunately the same cost as .223 for me since powder is almost $.10/bullet for .223.
Did anyone else crack up seeing Chris sitting in the back of the black suv like the vip?! Nice special effect build and editing. I'm sure that took some effort and time just for that brief bit. Thanks!
I love the 300 Blk out ! I use it in a suppressed Sig Rattler ! You might want to talk about the 458 SOCOM also ! It was quietly developed after Mogadishu by certain Special Forces units to kill insurgents high on drugs !
A little disappointed that you didn't mention the other great advantage of 300BLK, the ability to switch between subsonic and supersonic loads. This requires switching the gas settings on MCX like you mentioned. You also had a couple "B" rolls with the 9mm version MPX-K not the MCX 300BLK lol. Love the content ❤️
Sounds like a nice tactical rifle to replace the SMG. Seems to run very much like the AR platform when in use, so you really only need to remember it's not an MR when you're not in combat. I like the idea, more bang for the same capabilities.
@@TheTpointer it's not a grunt gun though. It's primarily for missions you need silence and cqc, most of the engagements involving this gun will be well within the 200 to 300 meters and in the hands of a higher tier soldier than infantry man 7. Like I said it feels more like an SMG replacement. More range and power for similar size and quiet.
Reloading the ammo requires dies suited for AR use. The powder used is W296 or H110 ball powder, the same powder used in a 454 Casull load. The 300 AAC needs 8-20 grains of powder and most powder measures aren't designed for how small this volume is. Tool companies will say their measures will throw this small volume, but they usually mean Unique powder and not W296. The volume of 9 grains of W296 in a 1/4" hole is about .005". You can build a replacement insert for your powder measure out of acrylic rods. I figure they will come out with a new gun powder in the next 2 years specifically designed for the 300 AAC.
@@rrr3r2 You are lucky! I have issues with the primer popping out of the brass when the action is cycling. The ammo isn't hot, but the brass appears to be out of specs.
It is like test driving a Toyota Prius after driving my Corvette C6 with Borla exhaust. I kept asking myself if the Prius was on, it was so quiet! The Corvette is like the loud 5.56 round and the 300 BLK is the Prius.
As a special forces and bodyguard detail weapon, it has several advantages. For high value target elimination, it has a viable role. For stealth missions, it has a viable role. However, I don't see this as a general-issue firearm. If we are going to a new caliber for mass issue, it's probably the 6.8mmx51 you've been talking about. It hits harder, has longer range, higher rate of fire, and generally speaking simply outperforms the 300 Blackout. However, given our military's hesitancy to adopt a new caliber for logistical reasons, I don't see this as likely either until supply for the 6.8 ammo has been secured. So don't worry M4. Daddy isn't going to go out for a pack of smokes any time soon.
I remember back in 1965 hearing a US general say the AK47 is an obsolete, ineffective weapon. Yet it soldiers on. I don't see a huge advantage over the original AK here. Just another "miracle weapon."
Yeah right…I hope that general lived long enough to eat his words. But try 300 BLK before you knock it. Admittedly, I’m an AR guy so I have a bias. But the flexibility of this caliber is absolutely amazing.
@@useruser400 the AK was obsolete in 1965. 300 blk is underpowered for general warfare. It would be too easy to sit outside it’s effective range and take pot shots. I had one for a little. It’s probably good for cqb but I don’t do that.
@@cokinator100ify Obsolete (per Webster): “no longer produced or used; out of date.” The AK might not be your platform of choice (nor mine) but it is ubiquitous and its improved variants are still being fielded today. Spray and pray will apparently always be a battlefield tactic. So “obsolete” is a bad adjective to use when defining the AK platform. Are there better combat platforms/calibers out there? Certainly. But the same is true for the M-16 family; that doesn’t make it “obsolete.” I never meant to suggest that the 300 BLK should be anyone’s do-all combat weapon of choice. But in some scenarios it could have applications. I’m sure you can run the ballistics and compare 5.56 KE values to those of supersonic 300 BLK. Not much difference, unless your shooting with short barrels, then the 300 BLK (which uses pistol powder) rules. And switching between supersonic and subsonic with a magazine change just has some inherent coolness. Is it an operationally significant capability? I don’t know, I’m not an operator. But I think it’s an amazing design feature. It’s definitely not the “gimmick cartridge” that so many internet pundits insist that it is. I handload 110 gr Nosler Varmageddon bullets and push them at 2415 fps (16” barrel). It’s like a Win 30-30 in an AR platform. I also have a 10.5” pistol that launches those same bullets at 2200 fps. Those are both hell on feral hogs out to 150 yds, which is all I need when hunting in my heavily wooded environment. Yes my AR-10 carbine packs more energy, but it’s also much heavier and harder to lug around. Do I still use my AR-10? Yes, if I’m ambushing hogs in open fields and my targets could run out past 200 yds, then I want my .308 Win to reach out and touch them.
@@useruser400 My 7.62x39 AR-15 drops deer and hogs inside 200 yards with 35 cent Barnaul soft points that are heavier and faster (Barnaul 125gr soft tip @ 2550 ft/s from a 16" barrel) than .300blk supersonic loads. Honestly, I have had a really hard time trying to justify .300blk and I'm a combat vet who's been in dozens of actual firefights using the m4 platform in Afghanistan. From a hunting perspective I could never justify it over 7.62x39 either.
@@useruser400 The AK platform is subpar only for two reasons: poor optics mounting accommodations, and outdated/poor ergonomics and controls. Rocker mags, bad safety/selector ergonomics, bad charging handle ergonomics, a dust cover where every other modern battle rifle has optics rails. The round is still a great intermediate cartridge assuming you don't intend to square off against 5.56 at 300m+.
Simping for Sig it works in any AR platform chambered in 300BO, honesty T1 groups have huge budgets so the need to switch barrels in between missions seem foolishly. The only reason to run a 300BO is Suppressed in a mission specific role. If not go back to the 556 that seems the norm. I’ve not heard of teams running 300BO non suppressed/non subsonic your giving up range
I love the round. I have a 8 in barrel standard ar platform I built for under 400 minus the muzzle break I upgraded soon after as my go to rifle for shtf and home defense, truck gun, and deer hunting and hog hunting under 200 yards. I built it as a sbr and my muzzle break is also can ready which is in the works but I borrowed a buddies can and it worked flawless like the military version just it's standard ar so no folding stock but I can always toss one of those folding adapters on it..
The beauty is the sub sonic travel the bullet won’t go through walls, cars, buildings it just takes out the target in close quarters. Even in rural settings you have better control over the distance the bullet may travel. High powered rounds can travel ridiculous distances… it’s great round all around.
Hey Spare parts army thank you for watching , I had a ton of fun making this one it was cool to get the chance to shoot the MCX 300 blackout at the range first hand. Let me know what you think of this ammo / weapon configuration ?
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Joules, not Jules! Jules belongs to a Quentin Tarantino movie, Cappy!
Dang it cappy, now you're making want to build a little suppressed .300blk bolt gun. It would almost be too quite with the right suppressor.
It's a great compliment to the 5.56 tbh, and incredibly versatile. The fact you only need to swap out the barrel is massive.
One of the things with JDJ and SSK, they have a long history of producing proprietary cartridges, meaning the exact dimensions are considered "trade secret" .300-Whisper was one of those, made from a .221 fireball case, necked up. When AAC used a cut-down 5.56 case and submitted it to SAAMI, they had a winner on their hands, the only thing more common than .22LR and 9mm brass on most ranges is 5.56 brass. so now anyone could cut-down that brass to make .300BLK brass. Everyone could make barrels, and bullets and ammo for it. So it got adopted widely, and almost immediately.
I still really like my 5.56 and that's my go to, but my .300BLK just makes me giggle.
After Obama and Clinton, the realities of ammo issues set in. Furthermore ALL commercial ammo for the 45-70 with one exception is loaded weak to cover the Springfield trap door. So I went to reloading my own. I fundamentally load 45-70 in a wide variety of choices and I load 300 blackout. Today my issue has been primers. Might as well be looking for teeth on a chicken. I am an engineer, machinist and woodworker. Guns are nothing but tools like a wood plane or shovel. Needed but not what interests me. The 45-70 keeps me eating elk steak dinners which I do enjoy.
I reads the differences between the two. They are barely any. Kind of like .308 and 7.62
@@deplorabledave1048 If you try to cut down 5.56 brass and make .300 Whisper, it won't chamber as the neck is too thick, you have to ream/turn the neck. The 7.62 vs 308, the 308 is designed for a higher pressure of 65000PSI, 7.62, even though many military firearms can handle that pressure, they're designed to work best with 50000PSI ammo. This is one of the reason federal GMM performs better than LR118.
@@devemch7851 geez might as well just shoot the deer with a damn .338 haha
to swap 5.56 to 300 blackout you just need to swap barrels right?
or do you have to change the gas tube,bolt and other stuff too?
Chris I enjoy your presentations. I’m not a veteran and don’t have knowledge of the topics you present, but your humor and knowledge on the topic you present make watching your videos very enjoyable to watch.
Well done, carry on.
They are cool cause he's just being himself. What makes this channel unique. Half of it is the info, explanition, history, lessons etc. Other half is Chris's great goofy wise crack comedy entertainment. Mixing military tech data with almost stand up comedy! I did notice he was wearing a Mystery Science Theater 3000 t-shirt so it all made sense then.
My thoughts 💯
I have a .300 blackout AR and love it. I've hit targets with it at 800m using supersonic ammo. Definitely can tell it's not designed for that type of range but still capable of doing it. It's all around a fun caliber that I love shooting. Main downside is that right now it's more expensive to shoot.
bullshit.
Loool rightttt
Shit I've made hits at 500 with subsonic out of a 7.5" barrel. It's just more artillery than direct fire, and has the energy of a wadded up piece of paper. If you're curious I was aiming at tree tops and a spotter was walking them in, not saying I'm a super sniper.
@@HBomb157
Its a lob. I think I have seen 400 yard hits on YT. No tables. They guy had to walk the rounds in.
@@deplorabledave1048 Exactly my point is just because a round can technically hit a target at long range doesn't mean it's in range.
Been running 300blk for over 10 years now. For actual reasonable expected combat distances it is the most versatile round I've ever seen.
THANK YOU man everyone and these Unrealistic SHTF 500yd scenario is pointless On US soil expected gun fights happen 5- 100yds
what's the advantage over simply using 308 subsonics? It's the same bullet.
@@hackmedia7755 The case volume of 308 is so large that no powder will use up that much volume without filler material that will clog up a sound suppressor. Also, 308 subsonic will not cycle a semi-auto. Moreover, it doesn't fit into AR magazines.
@@rsilvers129 yea I just saw a bunch of videos of how it's not enough pressure to cycle AR-10s but it's ok in a bolt-action. I wish there wasn't a russian ammo ban. The 7.62 x 39 subsonic is an affordable option pretty close to 300 blk. I got equipment to reload 300 blk but haven't seen primers in a long time.
@@hackmedia7755Size. Weight. Compatibility. Those are a few reasons. 308 subs are a MUCH larger cartridge and the AR-10 platform is obviously significantly larger than the AR-15/M4 platform. There aren’t too many “6.5 inch barreled 308 PDWs” out there lol
Maybe I just have no experience with firearms but those suppressors look absolutely BAFFLING.
Golf clap. Well done.
I grudgingly gave this comment a like. Gtfo
I am Suppressing a laugh.
Who’d have thought this was a topic there’d be a Thread On? I’m surprised it hasn’t been Muzzled.
@@TheIndianaGeoff My laugh was unsupressed.
Built a carbine 16", a 10.5 pistol now working on a 7.5" PDW. Love the cartridge and going between subsonic and 125gr supersonic. I was able to load 7.62 black tip and penatrate 1/4" armor plate in my 10.5"! Can get .223 sabots to cycle, too! You can do a lot with this.
.223 sabot you say🤔 how does it compare with traditional .223?
You getting those subs to cycle with a can? Haven’t seen a 5.5” able to cycle 220 subs without.
What's the twist rate on your 10.5? Does it stabilize both light and heavy weights?
@@Jason32Bourne I think it's 1/8 but will check. Delton.
@@Jason32Bourne does well but have not gone past 40 meters with the 208s I shoot sub.
7:33 "for the high speed cool guys with beards....." enough said. I'm sold.
As someone who had no knowledge of 300 Blackout prior to this video, I thank you for the detailed delivery of the information. As an Army vet who has only owned .556 rifles, I have a few friends who have only mentioned about the 300 Blackout in passing. I happened to see this video in my feed so I thought that I'd check it out. I come away with a better understanding of the round and it's capabilities. Kudos!
It's softer shooting with supers then 556. Super easy to reload and uses hardly any powder!! It's a win win.
OMG this is so full of idiocy, please don't take this video as any sort of actual knowledge.
This video is a terrible representation of both the round and the rifle. Please look other places. He’s so wrong legally and fundamentally he should be reported for lying.
You can get a 300 upper and put it on one of your 556 lowers.
Ideal for short range hit and run type attacks ( or defence ). Not everyone needs a big cannon. The person who can shoot accurately usually wins.
We worked on this concept about the same time as Mr. Jones
but his ballistics genius won out. Our round started with a 7.62x25 Tokarev case but loaded with a 147 grain FMJ.. It actually was a beautiful sub sonic round. We also created a 180 grain round in a .30 carbine case that was made straight walled
and then slightly bottlenecked. this was a 150 yard max range round though. it destabilized extremely fast past that .but it was designed for very close quarters though.. We also designed a 12 ga Micro-Grenade and launcher.. Basically a mortar you could carry in a shoulder holster... The 80s were fun times.
Just curious if you worked at Aberdeen or Picatiny Arsenal when you did that work ?
No, we were much smaller than that, And a bit more clandestine. We did research for a group founded by General Mitchell Werbell in Power Springs Georgia. Very few ever even heard about anything we did.
My 300 blk 8.5" AR is by far the favorite gun I own. Being able to switch back and forth between supers and subs just by changing the mag is amazing.
Same!
Ditto
Sub sonic suppressed .300blk is my home defense setup. Don't want to go deaf momentarily while trying to fight off an intruder in the middle of the night.
@@riboflavinfolate3964 Have you tried firing it in an enclosed space yet? I think you're going to be surprised by the fact that it will probably still leave your ears ringing. At least the flash will not be too bad.
@@Jermdizzle Not in an enclosed area, but outdoors it sounded about as loud as someone banging on one of this big plastic residential garbage cans that the garbage trucks pick up with their hydraulic arm. I know it definitely wouldn't be mouse quiet indoors with no ear pro, but having shot an .50ae desert eagle indoors with no ear pro before, I know it wouldn't leave my ears ringing for minutes on end either.
I've got a few barrels in the 300 whisper precursor that I've been shooting since 2008. Now switched over the 300BLK as you can actually buy everything you need commercially. I have a variety of progressive hearing loss and have tried to shoot everything suppressed, but aside from 22lr, the 300BLK is by far the easiest rifle round to get on target out to 150 yards. Since I only hunt out to about 75 yards, no question: I use it every time.
My next favorite hunting round is suppressed 458 SOCOM, but those pricey little cigars only make a difference for bigger game.
I appreciated this video. I knew practically nothing of the .300 Blackout cartridge, and was very pleased to learn about it today. I am an old (older than you want to know) .308 long-range shooter that still gets out to the range once in awhile, so I won't be adopting any new rifle cartridge, but I do love to learn about what others are doing with others.
Have heard the platform compared to the Vietnam Era. 45acp hushpuppy. May not have the speed of a .9mm or .556, but when 260gr of lead hits home, there's no question about the stopping power, and mitigation of over-penetration. Aside from the obvious unique application by high speed door kickers, it makes for an outstanding home defense platform. Cool video man. Thanks for serving. 🇺🇸👍
I just built a 10.5 inch, suppressed 300 Blackout AR, I love it
I have the MCX with all the barrels and accessories. It is my favorite weapon. The 300 blk round is my go to due to it's versatility. The only issue I have with SIG is that they never released the 7.62x39 conversion kit for the MCX platform like they promised. Only 5.56 and 300 blk.
A ban on russian ammo importation probably influenced this decision (not to mention deliberately exasperating the civilian ammo supply issues).
Took me 4 years to find a 300 BO kit for my sig
@@kathrynck No, the MCX was announced in this caliber in 2014. I got mine in 2016 they just didn't feel the need to do it based on the 300s popularity.
@@grady719 ahhh
7.62x39 is really stupid when you can use .300 blk, .300 blk is superior in basically every way
Your content is great and i really appreciate you telling us about the war in Ukraine and i would love it if you could give us weekly update on it as the tv and other social media can't tell us the real story.
Yes pls
Watch out, though. In his last video he advocated for limiting free speech.
@@joseantonioliguori4976 do you mean as done by Putin? I shall have to watch again to see where Task & Purpose advocated for limiting free speech. In what context.
@@joseantonioliguori4976 no he did not.
@@joseantonioliguori4976 can you provide a timestamp?
After shooting a friend’s 300 blackout suppressed, I fell in love with the 300 blackout. That got me into a SBR in 300 BLK with a suppressor. Lots of fun😃😃😃
Subsonic ammo in general has its advantages a big one being the lack of penetrating power means less collateral damage. Great video
Yessir. One of my ccl weapons is loaded with the humble subsonic Eley in 22 lr. It sounds weak, but it's quiet (not creating mass chaos), very low recoil and accurate at closer ranges, little if any over penetration concerns, and for the naysayers - take a double tap to face, throat or genitals and see who' still laughing. Furthermore, practice is relatively affordable and with even a modest bullet trap you can practice in the garage or even living room without messing things up.
A longer bullet can overcome a great deal of subsonic rounds' perceived lack of penetration. Hornady's 220 gr ELD-X is predicted to be only 8.23 feet low at 1000 yards at 778 fps and it got there in 3.29 seconds.
Lack of penetration is bad in a military environment imo 🤷
@@acoaks84 not for police or paramilitary tho also it's good for spec ops (who chose this ammo) for CQB wetwork to avoid civvies getting hit due to collateral penetration of rounds during any potential fire fights
@@danielcoffield1042 Tru I love 300blk myself but getting it to penetrate body armor in sub sonic ammo isn't that great
The M17 pistol and the MCX are two of my favorite weapons to own. Quality AT it's best. If SIG Sauer also gets the NGSW contract, they are Set for the future.
I guess we won't know until end of year about potential Sig-Sauer contract to replace M-4...
This weapon(weapon system?) is possibly meant to replace subs in covert spec-op missions, and boy it looks way cooler than an Mp5 while remaining very quiet.
I've got an mp5 (semi) and an MCX Rattler in 300blk. The mp5 is a toy in comparison.
The issue with subsonic ammo for me seems to be loading it to a particular barrel length so you're getting 1,050ish fps. 190gr Sub-X and 194gr LeHighs are the most common expanding subsonic projos. Almost everything else won't expand or tumble reliably (even the 245gr bullets went straight through gel).
@@no-sway3709 I just started shooting 300BLK in december and have an AR with 10.5 barrel and a bolt action with 16in barrel chambered in the caliber. I have a wolfman suppressor coming in soon and Im wondering if subsonic 300blk would be enough for a deer or if I should just stick to supers. Ive only tested 300blk on the range a couple times but I have so many different bullet weights and brands ive tested and still have to keep testing since I got a new prism scope for my AR (110 vmax, several 125gr, 150gr, 190, 208 and 220gr). Any recommendations for your favorite bullet weight for subs and supers?
@@jackmemphis777 I would hunt with supers - specifically barns black tip. If you want to use subs on critters, then the Lehigh 194s are about all I'd recommend.
For practice ammo I load 220gr berry's, but have had accuracy issues with them.
I run only subs with a 9mm can that goes back and forth from my mp5. Got 2 .30 cans in atf jail.
I appreciate that Task & Purpose is informative but also humble in showing that there's always potential to learn more.
Yeh the potential to actually stop listening to this and learn it for yourself, a boat load of misinfo here.
Looks like a worthy successor to the trusty MP5's, especially for armor penetrating room clearing, and stealthy infiltration approaches. Seems super versatile with caliber and barrel swaps, plus lightweight design for long humps.
I have and I love it versatility. I can use it suppressed for hogs and in a scoped 16 inch barrel for deer it mimics 762x39.
Pretty interesting how guns seem just basic things that were invented a loong time ago. Burn fuel -> propel bullet, end of story. And yet there's a ton of tech, improvement and finesse coming out all the time when you think about it.
Agree. Industry needs to be experimenting with new powders and bullet materials. What the military chooses really sets the standard due to the volume they drive. Otherwise, it's the old hunting standards that seem to fill the shelves.
Kinda like throwing rocks.... faster... with more accuracy.... followed by a bunch of other rocks.
I don't think that much has changed with firearms since WW2 . The introduction of plastics into the stock is new (1980s). The trend to small caliber weapons to allow for more ammunition to carry . The really big changes with firearms is the optics, which continue to innovate and improve. The attempt at caseless ammo didn't work out and has been dumped.
Well even barrels and harmonic and sound and vibration it's really detailed and makes a big difference
@@MrJdebest barrels especially for long range I'm not sure short range but basically they design the barrel and use ultrasound and even measure vibration
Im in the South. 300 blkout is very popular with hog and boar hunters. Its ideal for bagging multiple hogs at once before they run off.
It's what I use. 194gr LeHighs are brutal. I use a 9mm 147gr gold dot for smaller stuff, but I've seen a hog shake off a hit from one. I didn't go out intending to hunt, but we happened to ambush a group. I had a 22lr and 3 rounds of 9mm...
Even with supersonic rounds it works well
Once you standardize your load and balance it to your rifle’s op system, they are a great thumper.
@@blackhawk7r221 my problem is that I went for a 10.5" down to a 5.5" barrel. I haven't had the time to play around yet. On a Rattler there's less to balance because of design. I scored 5lbs of VV n120 to try. AA 1680 is too gassy.
@@no-sway3709 Don’t feel alone in trying to work up BLK loads. I have blown up two bolts so far messing with that volatile 296. 34,000 psi my ass. Seems like less than max loads with any airspace greatly increase pressure. I’m getting better results with CFE BLK at only 27,000 psi and 19.0 to push a 150 to about 1950 fps. IF, I can find it, and it’s pricey. I’m currently loading various charges of IMR 4227 to try out.
35 years ago I was involved in Firearms retail and spent a lot of time sitting around reading through whatever was at hand in the store. We would hand load ammunition to use in the range downstairs so inevitably I read a lot about ballistics. Too much in fact. Even back then the talk was about 9 mm versus 40 cal which led me to think along the lines of a 40-cal MP5 or even 30 carbine to upgrade the weapons effectiveness. Then years later when I read about 300 Blackout when it first appeared I said that's it, there's your serious MP/carbine ammo.
the Russians have a junk army, but they actually came out with the concept first 9x39mm. They were smart enough to make the round so that it would not chamber in an AK-47 . That's the real problem with .300 BLK, it will chamber in an M4.
The german StG44 was called MP44 at first. The round 7,92x33 is very close to 300BLK
@@Gieszkanne hmm, forgot about 8mm kurtz. Only categorized as a machine pistol because Addy wouldn't buy it otherwise.
Just like the Germans to get it right the first time. Then Uncle Joe copied it 7.62x39. Then everybody threw it out and went with varmint rounds and now we're going back to the beginning again. At this rate they'll be reissuing 1911's
I just bought a MCX Tacops and I’m stunned at its compact size. Great video. I love the break down.
i built my own blackout around three years ago but since we're not allowed to have "mufflers" in california, i went with the super sonic, 16" barrel configuration. one of the main issues i saw with the blackout was the cyclic problems of this system. looking further into the problem, the obvious conflict was running 220 gr rounds with a pistol length gas system without a suppressor.
my build was a full on rifle length gas tube where the first thing done was drill out the gas port to .125" and put on an adjustable block. on the other end, an adjustable buffer which got set up as H3 to start. making my own loads using .308/125 gr tips, i was hitting targets at 200 yards without malfunctions unsuppressed. no weight adjustments on the buffer and none to the gas block.
if you don't have to be 'quiet', i recommend this build because you can hit hard until you run out of ammo and if needed, press two pins, swap to a 5.56 NATO upper, carry on the fight using the same ammo and mags as those around you. this is not something you can do with a 7.62 x 39 platform.
220gr supersonic? What kind of powder/loads were you using?
@@CDSAfghan i never said i went with the 220 gr especially since i can't use a can in CA. no, my loads are 125 gr FMJ or HPs.
@@keayrhyasen1154 ahhh good stuff, had me a little worried for your safety. I took 2x bear with a suppressed 205gr a few years ago, was worried about penetration but it went through bone fat and muscle just fine.
I remember when .300 BLK first came out. I picked up two Umlaut AR’s (made in NH where I was living at that point in time) and fitted them with OSS cans. I had never owned a suppressed rifle before and everything else I had was 5.56 or 7.62x51 and 39 and I was told that 5.56mm didn’t suppress well and at that point in time financially it wasn’t an option for me. Anyways after putting a few hundred rounds down range out of both of them (one is an SBR and one has a 16” barrel) I was absolutely blown away. Compared to the M4 I had during OIF even without a can, the performance was night and day.
i cant wait to try my dead air wolfman suppressor on my 300blk AR, bolt action 300blk and my UDP-9. It works with 5.56 too but I dont intend on using it with that caliber much. Ive been waiting almost 10 months for my suppressor so I should get it any day now
@@jackmemphis777 Let me know what you think! I was absolutely blown away man
@@josephfranzen5626 idk why it's taking so long I should have it any time now. I've never had a suppressor and I'm itching to get my wolfman. I think it will be amazing with subsonic 300blk and subsonic 9mm. I'll be using it hunting with 300blk supers for hunting so my ears don't ring
Even stateside doing a lot of the higher risk security contracting we have seen an uptick in .300AAC usage, particularly in vehicle-based operations. Considering the weapons are generally smaller in profile due to the reduced length of the firearms (especially when guys are rocking integrated suppressor setups) as well as the less obtrusive noise profiles from when weapons go hot, it makes sense that more and more we are seeing usage of it. I
although the .45 and 9x19 pcc's are always going to hold a much more secure grip on my love muscle.
thats all we used in executive protection was subsonic 300blk we carried ar15 with a 8in barrel and idk what brand of suppressors but we did that incase we needed to engage in a populated area to not cause mass hysteria from our gunshots
I think Tim, from the Military Arms Channel, compiled data about muzzle velocity and barrel length. Short 10 inch barrel?? No problem, I don't know why, but, for engagements under a 100 yards, the muzzle velocity between an 8 inch and 14 inch barrel hardly differs.
Anyone state side doing anything your describing is ether training for doing thing not state side, or a police department that likes to waste taxpayers money on equipment that does not surpass the performance or price of any conventional legacy equipment in any relevant way, or security guards larping as delta force, or civilians playing with a new range toy
@FFD D your Correc as a DC we never carried those state side it was ony side arms or 9mm pdws but over seas the 300blk sbr was our main go to. This does not apply to the UK or most of europe
I got on the .300 Blackout train a couple of years ago with a Daniel Defense set up. It didn't take me long to get back off that train. Don't much like it personally
If you have ever seen the night time raid from Sicario: Day of The Soldado where they capture Bashir, that is why they need 300 blackout subsonic or the Russian 9x39 equivalent. Otherwise, the entire village would have been alerted as soon as the first guy dropped.
I've been using a .300 BLK in an AR platform for a few years for daylight hog hunting. I love the 120 grain ballistics but you have to be very precise if you want to drop the hog within a decent distance. I switched to 220 grain subsonic, which I had no idea there would be so much of a drop difference. Once I figured that out, I could whack feral hogs with that thing better than Robert DeNiro with a baseball bat.
Well a 220gr at 950fps
Is close to a 230gr 950fps
45.
The 45acp can work on hogs but you have to hit right.
I got a new PA 3x prism scope for my 300BLK AR (I still have to zero it) but when its zeroed at 50 yards it has drop indicators for both 125gr and 220gr ammo. I have so many different bullet weights for 300BLK though but at least it should make it easier to switch between supers and subs and remain accurate out to a couple hundred yards
I have a .45 acp rifle, and yes, the drop is severe but do-able.
Try handloading 110 gr Nosler Varmageddon. Hogs will die.
@@Krieghandt me and my buddy in high school used to kill hogs and coyote with his dad's lever action 45/70 all the time lol he got charged by a hurt hog once and blew it's entre lower part of its face off like 3 feet away from him lmao
Great vid! Thanks! Looks like a great short range weapon, but won't out-range or out-scare a GPMG, but definitely one-level up from most SMGs. Love the silent muzzle, now for similar versions of mortars, howitzers and SP Arty!
"Spare parts" is the greatest name for a squad
I agree man it's cool
The pistol powder being used is a great idea, in addition to better velocities from short barrels you also have the less risk of unburnt powder or dress gasses from still burning powder after the projectile has left
i'm pretty sure there is no such thing as "pistol" powder you guys seem to have got all this stuff confused, this was it's design spec:
"and subsonic performance greater than standard 9mm (the ubiquitous pistol and submachine gun) round"
so the only mention of pistol for this weapon is that this fun needed to beet the MP5 silenced version...... no other "pistol calibres" or i dunno what this guy is going on about tbh, citations would be nice, prob TFB TV or something
@@DarkShroom it's basically the burn rates of powder, pistols typically have faster burning powder to get more power from a shorter barrel, while a longer burning powder is better in longer barrels
I followed a guy growing up who had built a number of .300 AR variants working the bugs out of the system. It's cool to see what has come out of the .300 Blackout. Most folks don't know or understand the amount of work that enthusiasts go through to get these wildcats out of the loading shack into the wild. At that point most loads fail to have a strategic purpose: it's cool to see .300 Blackout has been found to be handy. We know the future of combat is likely to take us into deep, dark, confined spaces, so it appears as though it has a future.
So basically US developed own vss vintorez ammo and frame equivalent. Good for you US, it only took you like 35 years realize the potential of such weapon design.
Was looking for this comment. Very nice🤘
Do you have an f35 didnt think so
@@originalgangsta5462 F-35s suck
Great video, but it seemed more about the MCX then the 300BLK. Bummer as the round works beautifully in other platforms. To include 6 and 9 inch AR variants. With an added benefit of further increased sound mitigation due to the direct impingement gas exchange happening inside the firearm vs. externally (No pop from the piston basically.)
The title is "Why Special Forces Need 300 Blackout Subsonic Weapon" and the MCX is a 300 Blackout Subsonic Weapon.
@@professionaljihadi4052 oh I know, not a criticism of the video or even really the title. I guess a criticism of the comment regarding and i'm paraphrasing here. "The MCX performs better with a 6/9 barrel"
Not really the case. I would hate to steer citizens away from an AR based platform that will most likely be cheaper (Q stuff excluded.) I love the caliber, the more people that use it. The more the ammo will become readily available. I just don't want some dude or dudette to go dang, i'd love to have this but an MCX is expensive and I guess AR platforms don't run the round well?
@@_Mr.Sush_ Yeah, i get what you mean. No hate towards you. Have a good day.
Devgru is out there reppin the DI guys with those sweet 10.5 Noveskes still
my 7" 300 blackout has massive recoil compared to the 5.56 12" barrel I have with supersonic ammo. I even got a tuned gas block from black river tactical to try and tame it a little bit but it's insane and follow up shots are way better with 5.56 for me. Think I can put a heavier buffer in or something?
It seems US is finally taking a look at a book made in Russia with their 9x39mm bullets and VSS, VAL rifles.
Your openness to comments, criticisms, omissions, etc. is refreshing. I'm biased, but great video. Anybody concerned about cost, try used, layaway, or just buying parts over the course of a year (think it took me longer than that 😂). Well worth it.
This dude is getting more and more comfortable and professional in front of the camera. You have talent for the screen. You give off Sitcom star vibes. Congrats on the success of your channel
Love your videos. I'm 3 minutes and 31 seconds into this one and I just have to make some clarifications.....
I think I built my first AR in 300 AAC in 2012 not long after SAAMI approval, but 300 Whisper has been around a lot longer still--not 2015 when SIG/Sig USA may have started overzealously marketing it or whatever. AAC pushed it through SAAMI, not "Sig".
There is more powder in a 5.56 case than there is in a 300 AAC case. I have loaded tens of thousands of them. Depending on the powder and projectile combo, subsonic Blackout contains a bit less than half the weight of powder in grains when compared to a 5.56x45mm. The increased felt recoil from a subsonic Blackout is because the projectile weighs four times as my as a 55gr .244 proje' from a 5.56. Love your channel keep up the good work.
Thank you, someone needed to say it
The comment I was looking for lol. 300 blkout is a cut down 5.56 case, how could it possibly hold MORE powder than it's former full size case.
@ Daniel Ward I call the cartridge .300 Ripoff. I got to see JD Jones show and shoot some of his suppressor friendly stuff. Wish I'd bought some!
*.224 projectile...
Yeah he dropped the ball on a lot of information on this one
Get the 300 BO magazines for it, as well. Lancer and Magpul are the best. And mark your magazines so you know the difference, a 300 BO round will fit in your AR15, which would make for a very bad day.
Other way around.
@@paraglidingnut26 no, it won't. The .300 round will headspace off the projectile and chamber in a 5.56 chamber, fire, and banana peel the upper.
A 5.56 round will not fit in a .300 blackout chamber because the shoulder on the .300 chamber is closer to the breech face
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
Just tried it out on my AR barrels and yes you are correct. Big mistake on my part. I'm not new to action shooting, 19 years of IDPA, just new to the 300 BO game. Thanks!
@@paraglidingnut26 no problem, man. Just be real careful, dropping a 300 in a 5.56 chamber is catastrophic.
Fun fact, 7.62x39mm in a .243Win chamber does the same thing.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz that last bit sounds like something you know from experience lol
I've used a short barreled .300 blackout with a suppressor in a night shoot-house with PVS-15s. It was pretty sweet (for that application). Let's be honest though, subsonic, ballistics is basically identical to the .45 acp.
As much as ‘Merica loves .45ACP, I think we could all agree that 300 BO has distance & versatility over the venerable .45ACP. Just buy more of both to solve modern problems.
Depends. Subsonic 300 ACC has a better ballistic coefficient so it maintains its power far longer than .45 acp and fmj can go through more than what 45 acp could. Then you have the option to go supersonic...
The round is more like a 30-30 but the brass is a cut down 7.62x39. The official caliber for 300 blk is 7.62x35. I own one with both 300 and 556 barrels. You can change them out very easily and quickly. Would highly recommend. I still have some steel 300 from Czech Republic before the ban. It is in fact a little longer than the us made 300 with brass
Wrong, the 7,62x35 is a Trimmed and Reformed 5,56x45 case...NOT a 7,62x39 Case, which is much Fatter.
I think SOCOM now has some new special 220gr projectiles with a Tungsten core for subsonic close range body armor penetration.
I think it's the same projectile they wanted for the 300 Norma Mag sniper rifle.
My uncle makes that ammo for his guns in hunting, and he's been doing it for a long time.
I have a 300 Blackout on an AR platform. I use it for both hogs and deer. I would not use it for hunting for shots over 200 yards, but inside that the supersonic rounds have plenty of punch. It's ballistics are similar to the 7.62x39 AK round.
There is a big difference in the sound between the supersonic and subsonic ammo - that supersonic crack is very noticeable. With the subsonic rounds you can hear the bullet hit the target.
I really like the round. It is enough for east Texas hunting and is very versatile.
Both Suppressed?
I’m pretty close to you in West LA. We too use 300’s with 150gn bullets only loaded to about 1600fps. Not too loud, not much recoil. Hogs dead.
@@WW5RM Usually neither suppressed for hunting. Just target practice with borrowed can
I having been loading 300 blackout for several years. I run a AAC 7.62 SDN can on an AR platform and a Rem. 700 tactical chassis. Nothing is more silent than a 300 blackout bolt rifle. With all of the different .30 cal bullets around the choices are endless.
The 300blk is my favorite caliber. Nothing beats a short suppressed 300blk.
3:33 edit: The .300 blk does not have more powder loaded into it. In fact it has less due to the shorter case capacity and longer projectile, albeit a faster burning powder needed for a shorter barrel. (.300 BLK reaches mostly complete burn at 8" barrel, vs 12" for the 5.56) It is the weight of the bullet (often 2-3 times as much weight as a normal 55gr or 62 gr 5.56 NATO round) which causes any increase in felt recoil due to the inertia which can be countered some with proper gas tuning and a heavier weight buffer.
(Edit: this last bit was partially incorrect cause I forgot something lol, see comments from @Savage2Flinch below:)
[Also, a suppressor doesn't really mitigate recoil through trapping/redirecting gases like a compensator or muzzle break, it does it through added weight on the end of the barrel.]
The weight of the bullet is NOT what accounts for most of the recoil in a firearm. It's the gasses which jet out of the muzzle, usually overtaking the bullet over a short distance. It's something known as the "rocket effect". If this weren't the case, then a muzzle break wouldn't work. Think about it.
More specifically, it's not a reaction against the inertia of the accelerating bullet, but simply the firearm behaving like a rocket for a short time when high velocity gases jet out the front of the muzzle. And a suppressor (a.k.a. silencer) can reduce recoil by up to 60%, simply by slowing down the gasses. That's how silencers work, and that's why a muzzle break is still loud, despite it redirecting gasses: a silencer slows the gasses down by causing them to be reflected back on themselves by the baffles inside. The kinetic energy of the gases is turned into heat, and the gases exit subsonically behind the bullet, instead of in a supersonic cone in front, reducing both recoil and report.
@@Savage2Flinch That's partially correct but you're forgetting that the mass of the projectile itself plays heavily into that equation, especially when it comes to felt recoil which is what I was talking about. A 300blk or even like a .44 mag handgun round with less powder and therefore less gas and expansion has more felt recoil than a 5.56 despite the 5.56 having a higher chamber pressure so if it were solely dictated by the expansion of gasses then this would not be the case. Due to the equal and opposite reaction of accelerating a heavier mass, the initial recoil impulse delivered into the shooter's shoulder before any mitigation by buffer, recoil pad, etc, is larger. Where gas comes back into play is the burn rate and velocity of the cartridge which speed + mass = increase in inertia and increase in felt recoil. I do admit that I forgot about the effect of the suppressor turning the gasses subsonic though lol.
@@dutchrjen I agree for the most part. You got the muzzle break right, but I would put 60% of the recoil in the gas, because it's moving faster than the bullet. It has to. It's under pressure, even at the muzzle. If that weren't the case, then near the end of the barrel the gas pressure would be negligible. So the gas has a higher kinetic energy per unit mass, and kinetic energy is proportional to the square of velocity, so the difference matters.
@@dutchrjen It is just not true silencers reduce recoil mainly due to their mass. That's really simply not the case.
Am I the only one that sees the huge similarity with the 9x39 used be the VSS and AS VAL? 7.62mm bullet in 5.56 cartridge compared 9mm bullet in 7.62 cartridge, 300 Blackout is like it's little brother. Both used by Special Operations units, with the focus on high penetration and low sound.
I've been looking for such a comment.
no. you are not.
Similar, but 300blk is also meant to perform at supersonic velocities. Essentially you are consolidating the role of carbine and smg in the same weapon.
The SAS have the MCX Rattler chambered in .300blackout specifically for counter terrorism in cities, to stop a vehicle by mag dumping the engine block and driver.
so do firearms officers in the uk
300 blackout is overrated, it's an underpowered 7.62x39 made by US companies so we have a variety of ammo.
@@Иванпонимаете-г4ш except it was designed for a completely different purpose. But ok, if you say so.
It isn't the Rattler, it is a configuration more like hte LVAW.
@@coreygolder6503 it's a meme of a round that no military uses.
France special forces despite being NATO (GIGN) in 7.62x39
Finland switched from 5.56 and uses 7.62x39
Bulgaria uses 7.62x39
Russian alpha groups use 7.62x39 out of mid length barrels. As seen in larry Vickers videos. Russians use a mix between 5.45x39 and 7.62x39. And even produce new modernised AKs in 7.62x39
Here in Europe we have tons of subsonic rounds etc and 7.62x39 has more energy. I cant understand why people choose a round that isn't used by any military or police agencies.
Unless you guys don't have the ammo options we have in Europe
For us civilian armchair types to whom the Stoner design is about the only shoulder fired weapon that we’re intimately familiar with due to our prior, relative uneventful military service days before the world got a lot more evil, the 300 AAC Blackout is a great tool. An upper that slaps onto your existing lower when you want something substantial enough for deer that are within 100-300 yard, other game, etc. I don’t currently have anything in that caliber, but your video presentation really hit on the important reasons for the 300 AAC’s existence.
The way I look at it, the 300 turns my AR into a gentle 30-30 lite for hogs and deer.
300 Blackout = Stealth
It’s a beautiful bullet! “ Yes or Yes”
I’m super biased cause I love the cartridge and the engineering behind it, can’t wait to see it widely adopted to make it 223 like available for folks.. keep up the content it’s good 🤟🏾
sounds like the perfect home defense gun. Won't hurt your ears, will deliver effective results, high capacity, mount a light on this bad boy and you've got the perfect solution to bad guys making problems.
This channel is some of my favorite content on any platform. I really appreciate the hard work of everyone making this happen. I give y’all the least ironic Hoo-ah I can give!
I use 300BLK in a bolt rifle (Ruger American)for deer and coyote, and it has quickly become my absolute favorite rifle for sub-300m work.
Excellent presentation.
Wonderful embedded humor!
👍❤️
I guess it's worth mentioning that that kind of magic existed in Russia since the 1980s in form of 9x39mm caliber and a family of weapons using it (Vintorez, Val etc).
"American VSS" was my first thought
Very good point, it's basically the same idea too. I wonder if 9x39 is pistol powder too?
@@Theviewerdude I did not find any info on the powder.
A heavy subsonic round wasn't the magic part. Making it function with a standard AR bolt and magazine was. The 9x39 round was the same basic concept, but you can't just change the barrel on an AK and use it, as the front trunnion and gas system would have to be modified, and standard AK mags won't work.
@@joshm3484 Heavy subsonic bullet is not the magic part, heavy subsonic bullet that can penetrate class 3 vest is.
THAT was the challenge.
All that business about changing barrels etc is icing on the cake. IMO, anyway.
Would love to have one but I just refuse to get anything that requires a tax stamp. My main reason for not wanting to do it is that you can't cross state lines with it once it's an sbr.To me at least for the time being a braced pistol is the best bet as far as traveling restrictions. Thank you Cappy for more content.
Infringement.
I have a 16” carbine and a 10.5” pistol. No tax stamp required other than for my suppressor (my option, not related to the 300 BLK).
I made my own 300BLK rounds from .556 cases. It was a process. I had to anneal the cases after cutting them down then again after resizing them. This way I could use a variety of brass brands. I loaded most of them subsonic with a 208gr bullet. Love that round for home defense.
My 10.5" 300 BLK pistol is my favorite gun to shoot by far. Really hope this "niche" setup stays around for a long time, because it's perfect for a home defense weapon - short, accurate, quiet, and super effective at close range. It outclasses handguns and 16" carbine platforms in every way for this function.
What buffer weight do you run?
Excellent video - history of round and modern usage
those dutch operators were not special forces but a special hybrid police force that consists of police officers and operators fromMARSOF. it is called the DSI dienst speciale interventies (Department of special interventions) and command lies under the dutch national police.
Not only marsof. Also Marechaussee, Police, and KCT.
I kind of wish you went a little more into the weeds on what are the differences in subsonic and supersonic rounds. Bullet weight? Powder type or load? Case length? Etc.
This is in good faith, I don’t know much about .300 blackout except for what was said in this video.
It's all grain related, thus making a heavier round the higher the grains. Anything around 200 grains will be subsonic, but also travels slower than supersonic. Subs can also have cycling issues based on weapon platforms.
Same case, different bullet weight and different powder load.
Thanks guys.
Hello :) It is probally not an important detail but I feel like it should be mentioned. The major drawback is the 300 BLK is that it is unable to penetrate body armor rated higher than 3A (NIJ Standard) depending on the ammo type used. 9x39 and 12.7x55 (Russian) can penetrate IV. 9x39 penetrates 2.8mm of titanium at 200 yards
You mean sub-sonic .300AAC can't penetrate lvl 3A? I would think super sonics would do just fine.
@@riboflavinfolate3964 Correct. 9x39 can do it sub sonic. The US hasn't been up against a major military in several years so it isn't a big deal because most of their enemies don't have armor atm
For two years, my 300 AAC is sudden death for the Texas feral hog. Stupid quiet.
Ditto
I assembled a Palmetto State pistol lower into a .300AAC package with a 7" barrel, Law Tactical folding adapter, and Sandman K silencer.
It's probably my favorite gun, and intended as a backpack EDC option in my truck or out in a crowded place for a day with the family.
Did I mention it also has a Pantheon Arms DOLOS takedown kit installed? The whole thing packs down to a 10"x12" size and can be assembled and deployed in 20 seconds.
The sidearm will be for immediate response, but 30 rounds of .30 cal hate lies in waiting should an active shooter situation unfold where I happen to be. Great caliber for the job.
This .300 Blackout looks neat. Perfect for a group of SF guys wearing ski mask imprinted with ghostly skulls, hiding in the shadows.
All we need is a rifle for this caliber that is prob named after a vicious animal infamous for biting someone's balls lol
If only someone would make that
The Joe Rogan 'chimp' round then.
Yeah I can't wait to pick up the SIG Raccoon in . 300 BO, AKA the SIG Trash Panda
300blk is a up close and quite caliber. It's nearly perfect for urban environments. It's only draw back is the cost......🤑
7.62x39 is pretty much 300blk without the cost.
And without the problematic case angle of the Soviet 7.62
@@MrJigssaw1989 Um.......where are you buying it from?
@@skydivingcomrade1648 Well I guess it might be harder to get in the US - since you guys had Biden to stop the importation of surplus stuff. But here in europe I can still get surplus 7.62x39 for considerably cheaper than I can get even the cheapest .223. And that is much cheaper than .300blk.
It’s dirt cheap if you reload. 5.56 cases and .308 bullets are as common as it gets.
.762 and .556? Am I really lost or there's a mistake in the video? As far as I understand it's 7.62 and 5.56mm or .300 and .223 respectively, hence .300 blackout.
.300 blk is a 30 cal round jammed into a 5.56 case so all you need to do to convert an AR is a barrel swap. Does that help?
I'm not confused about the practical side of things, but the video said ".762 caliber" and ".556 caliber" and I don't think that's correct.
I know it's pedantic to correct small mistakes like this but I'm just a bit surprised a channel this level makes such a basic mistake. Not here to hate whatsoever.
@@jackjmaheriii Nah hes got a point. It should be 7.62 and not .762
@@alkestos haha you'd be surprised, this channel is actually relatively new! I've been subbed since he just had like... 5k subscribers? That was just a year or two ago, if that.
His content is awesome, and he totally blew up - but what I love about him is that he's just a normal guy like us, just clueing us civvies into the military stuff he knows. (And showing us all the shiny awesome toys that his newfound status as a top-notch military channel gives him access to now!)
@@BaritoneMonkey I have been subbed for few months now and agree with what you said. Have a great day!
I love the sarcasm, guns, and 0 B.S. i can wait to see more. Great Content 👍
Outstanding Video Cappy!
RCMP ERT (SWAT) also adopted the .300 Blackout for their Noveske SBR’s and DMR’s.
I normally love this channel, but this just so happens to be a topic that I’m very knowledgeable on, and wow, there is a lot “wrong” - not necessarily incorrect, but the back and forth between stats for supers and subs would be highly confusing for someone without knowledge of the caliber. The beginning makes it seem like the 300BLK came out in 2015, the end mentions US forced switching between M4 and AK variants, etc etc. Makes me question the validity of the other videos. Happy to explain to anyone confused by this.
Fer real he dropped the ball on this
The Russians had the VSS 9mm “Special” sniper rifle 25 years ago. A heavy 9mm slug in a cut down rifle case to give an effective 200 meter range suppressed.
History repeats. Except in 30 caliber.
Fox out.
You are referring to 9x39, an absolute unit of a round
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Metric cartridge designations go into one ear and out the other. Being an old Fudd as they say. I know that weapon/cartridge combo as the Russians call it. VSS “special” purpose. Is there a point beyond that?
Fox out.
@@MrJento 9mm which you used in your original post is metric. 9 millimetre (millimeter for Americans). Also 9mm is a 30 cal. round, .354 of an inch. The VSS is closer to 35-40 years old and the 9x39 began development in the 1940s and has also been around for 40 years.
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Thanks. I do know that 9mm is typically .356 in a Luger. The makarov runs .362. I’m not sure of the VSS as to exact caliber, case length or age. I know it’s 9 mm, I know it’s quiet and slow. I know everybody went bonkers when we first got one in the 1980’s from Afghanistan. And operationally it’s about like this blackout.
I am familiar with the metric system. I just don’t like it. That’s ok. They are getting ready to change it again for what the 6 or 7 time?
As to metric cartridges. People say metric is better. More accurate. Our old “38” calibers were actually .357-358 inch. Unless they were a long colt, .375 or a smith and wesson .362. Then there was the 36 navy which was .376-380.
What I did not get for years was the “by” designation of the metric system. I like the 6.5 Swedish mauser. I’ll even call it 6.5x55 to make every body happy. It’s a true 6.5mm aka .264. But then there are a lot of other old 6.5mm. The greek 6.5x54. It’s actually a .261-2 bore. The Italian carcano is .268-9, Manlicher is .267-8 and so forth. Then the X metric case length is a joke. You measure to the datum point on the shoulder of the case. Not total length. The datum point is defined in the print but it’s not easily located on the case to actually measure.
The variation in all the 6.5 mm bullet diameters is not sloppy machine work. It due to the fact that the millimeter was re-defined twice in the 1890-1910 period when most 6.5 calibers were designed. On paper they are all 6.5 but in reality they run .260-.271 in diameter. By contrast the inch has been stabile and unchanged since the 1780’s. Not so the meter. Now people don’t like the inch. They say it’s hard to use. Fractions and all. So 6.5mm as opposed to 264/1000. Except you can express any fraction as a decimal. .264 for example.
In the end only one nation put a man on the moon. That feat was done using the inch as a standard. Not the meter. NASA switched to metric in the mid-80’s so that we could play nice with the EU and dock with the Soviet space station. We have not been back to the moon. Lost a space shuttle. Have to ask Russia to give us a ride to the space station. And three out of seven of our mats rovers crapped out before the design life was up. Meanwhile we have old probes built in the inch days in the 70’s surprising people because the are still sending data back 40 years after they were supposed to die. One has even left the solar system and is still talking.
So yes I’m an old Fudd. I like things in thousandths of an inch. Not to the nearest tenth of a millimeter. Especially when you don’t tell me which of six slightly different millimeters your talking about. I still have to get a calliper out, measure your metric part, then I can set a tool up and make the part. In inches. Adjusted to agree with your millimeter. The one you happen to be using today. Not the one you used 70 years ago.
Fox, the Fudd, out.
I own a 300 blackout and it is simply awesome to shot. Your videos rock.
I live in Commifornia so I'm limited to a 16" barrel and I've been shooting it out to 200 yards and love it
The reason it's found in pistols is because totally "constitutional" and sensible gun laws
God bless America.
Thinking the same thing. Fuck gun control.
I bought a ‘pistol rifle’ w 300 blackout. I liked it. I went to outside range, shot off all the ammo I had. After that I couldn’t find any 300 ammo in the stores. The guy I bought it from offered me a colt 556 rifle and a glock pistols for it. Since I couldn’t find any ammo I traded it away for a colt 556 and a Glock 26. Good deal!
I want a .300 Blackout rifle so bad, but it's really too expensive for now
They are super cheap to build. Just saying
I live in England just saying…
@@vicdiaz5180 I'm in France, they are as expensive to buy as .223 rifles but the ammo are twice more expensive
You guys need to take up reloading. I wouldn't encourage you to buy a 300BLk to run suppressed subsonic without knowing how to load for it. Berry's 200gr bullet + casing used 5 times + primer + powder (n120/AA1680/H110) comes out to about $.40/round which is unfortunately the same cost as .223 for me since powder is almost $.10/bullet for .223.
@@antazur3983 well yeah I guess living in different places makes a difference
Got Sig Virtus & converted to .300 blackout ,, What a wonderful piece !!!
Did anyone else crack up seeing Chris sitting in the back of the black suv like the vip?! Nice special effect build and editing. I'm sure that took some effort and time just for that brief bit. Thanks!
I love the 300 Blk out ! I use it in a suppressed Sig Rattler ! You might want to talk about the 458 SOCOM also ! It was quietly developed after Mogadishu by certain Special Forces units to kill insurgents high on drugs !
i got the 458 socom no joke
458 Socom is fun to shoot but it's not really that cool. Super loud suppressed with subs due to bore size.
A little disappointed that you didn't mention the other great advantage of 300BLK, the ability to switch between subsonic and supersonic loads. This requires switching the gas settings on MCX like you mentioned. You also had a couple "B" rolls with the 9mm version MPX-K not the MCX 300BLK lol. Love the content ❤️
it is mentioned
Sounds like a nice tactical rifle to replace the SMG. Seems to run very much like the AR platform when in use, so you really only need to remember it's not an MR when you're not in combat.
I like the idea, more bang for the same capabilities.
And I really wonder how many grunts really hit targets beyond 200m - 300m.
@@TheTpointer it's not a grunt gun though. It's primarily for missions you need silence and cqc, most of the engagements involving this gun will be well within the 200 to 300 meters and in the hands of a higher tier soldier than infantry man 7.
Like I said it feels more like an SMG replacement. More range and power for similar size and quiet.
Reloading the ammo requires dies suited for AR use. The powder used is W296 or H110 ball powder, the same powder used in a 454 Casull load. The 300 AAC needs 8-20 grains of powder and most powder measures aren't designed for how small this volume is. Tool companies will say their measures will throw this small volume, but they usually mean Unique powder and not W296. The volume of 9 grains of W296 in a 1/4" hole is about .005". You can build a replacement insert for your powder measure out of acrylic rods. I figure they will come out with a new gun powder in the next 2 years specifically designed for the 300 AAC.
CFE BLK…. 😑….. I haven’t had a problem loading for mine
@@rrr3r2 You are lucky! I have issues with the primer popping out of the brass when the action is cycling. The ammo isn't hot, but the brass appears to be out of specs.
It is like test driving a Toyota Prius after driving my Corvette C6 with Borla exhaust. I kept asking myself if the Prius was on, it was so quiet! The Corvette is like the loud 5.56 round and the 300 BLK is the Prius.
As a special forces and bodyguard detail weapon, it has several advantages. For high value target elimination, it has a viable role. For stealth missions, it has a viable role. However, I don't see this as a general-issue firearm. If we are going to a new caliber for mass issue, it's probably the 6.8mmx51 you've been talking about. It hits harder, has longer range, higher rate of fire, and generally speaking simply outperforms the 300 Blackout. However, given our military's hesitancy to adopt a new caliber for logistical reasons, I don't see this as likely either until supply for the 6.8 ammo has been secured.
So don't worry M4. Daddy isn't going to go out for a pack of smokes any time soon.
I remember back in 1965 hearing a US general say the AK47 is an obsolete, ineffective weapon. Yet it soldiers on. I don't see a huge advantage over the original AK here. Just another "miracle weapon."
Yeah right…I hope that general lived long enough to eat his words.
But try 300 BLK before you knock it. Admittedly, I’m an AR guy so I have a bias. But the flexibility of this caliber is absolutely amazing.
@@useruser400 the AK was obsolete in 1965.
300 blk is underpowered for general warfare. It would be too easy to sit outside it’s effective range and take pot shots. I had one for a little. It’s probably good for cqb but I don’t do that.
@@cokinator100ify Obsolete (per Webster): “no longer produced or used; out of date.”
The AK might not be your platform of choice (nor mine) but it is ubiquitous and its improved variants are still being fielded today. Spray and pray will apparently always be a battlefield tactic. So “obsolete” is a bad adjective to use when defining the AK platform.
Are there better combat platforms/calibers out there? Certainly. But the same is true for the M-16 family; that doesn’t make it “obsolete.”
I never meant to suggest that the 300 BLK should be anyone’s do-all combat weapon of choice. But in some scenarios it could have applications. I’m sure you can run the ballistics and compare 5.56 KE values to those of supersonic 300 BLK. Not much difference, unless your shooting with short barrels, then the 300 BLK (which uses pistol powder) rules. And switching between supersonic and subsonic with a magazine change just has some inherent coolness. Is it an operationally significant capability? I don’t know, I’m not an operator. But I think it’s an amazing design feature.
It’s definitely not the “gimmick cartridge” that so many internet pundits insist that it is. I handload 110 gr Nosler Varmageddon bullets and push them at 2415 fps (16” barrel). It’s like a Win 30-30 in an AR platform. I also have a 10.5” pistol that launches those same bullets at 2200 fps. Those are both hell on feral hogs out to 150 yds, which is all I need when hunting in my heavily wooded environment.
Yes my AR-10 carbine packs more energy, but it’s also much heavier and harder to lug around. Do I still use my AR-10? Yes, if I’m ambushing hogs in open fields and my targets could run out past 200 yds, then I want my .308 Win to reach out and touch them.
@@useruser400 My 7.62x39 AR-15 drops deer and hogs inside 200 yards with 35 cent Barnaul soft points that are heavier and faster (Barnaul 125gr soft tip @ 2550 ft/s from a 16" barrel) than .300blk supersonic loads. Honestly, I have had a really hard time trying to justify .300blk and I'm a combat vet who's been in dozens of actual firefights using the m4 platform in Afghanistan. From a hunting perspective I could never justify it over 7.62x39 either.
@@useruser400 The AK platform is subpar only for two reasons: poor optics mounting accommodations, and outdated/poor ergonomics and controls. Rocker mags, bad safety/selector ergonomics, bad charging handle ergonomics, a dust cover where every other modern battle rifle has optics rails. The round is still a great intermediate cartridge assuming you don't intend to square off against 5.56 at 300m+.
Simping for Sig it works in any AR platform chambered in 300BO, honesty T1 groups have huge budgets so the need to switch barrels in between missions seem foolishly. The only reason to run a 300BO is Suppressed in a mission specific role. If not go back to the 556 that seems the norm. I’ve not heard of teams running 300BO non suppressed/non subsonic your giving up range
I love the round. I have a 8 in barrel standard ar platform I built for under 400 minus the muzzle break I upgraded soon after as my go to rifle for shtf and home defense, truck gun, and deer hunting and hog hunting under 200 yards. I built it as a sbr and my muzzle break is also can ready which is in the works but I borrowed a buddies can and it worked flawless like the military version just it's standard ar so no folding stock but I can always toss one of those folding adapters on it..
The beauty is the sub sonic travel the bullet won’t go through walls, cars, buildings it just takes out the target in close quarters. Even in rural settings you have better control over the distance the bullet may travel. High powered rounds can travel ridiculous distances… it’s great round all around.
Also no bullet snap/sonic boom to signal that someone is being shot at if they didn’t hear the actual gun firing.