Seriously! Was just thinking that. I thought I was losing my mind watching all the coverage when no other content creators were calling this out. Leave it to Tony to actually call it like it is
10:20 Explanation for people outside of america. People in america use iMessage, which nobody else in the world uses. They don't know WhatsApp, which allows flawless communication between all phones. So they have the impression, that they are locked.
@@__Mr.White__true. I use iMessage and WhatsApp and etc etc. I’m not in the USA. I can communicate with Android and Apple users no problem. Don’t understand why he thinks he’s locked?
The iPjone 15 Pro Max has 3 cameras: 13 mm wide angle 12-megapixel, 24 mm 48 megapixel main , and 120 mm 12 megapixel telephoto. These are NOT ZOOM LENSES. These are FIXED lenses. However, because the sensor pixels can be combined to achieve 24 megapixel photos, the 24 mm main can emulate 28, 35, and 48 mm 24 megapixel FIXED lenses. Like all fixed lenses, any other zoom setting will crop the sensor output and achieve lower resolution photos.
I have always been leery of phone camera claims because they are either cropping or doing stuff by software to achieve the effects. Not like using a real zoom or macro lens on a camera.
I am so happy someone is calling them out. I’m a photographer and I see right through them. The average consumer doesn’t even understand what they are selling. They just throw a bunch of fancy terms and words out there and hopes the consumer just wants to keep up with the Joneses. And these iPhone reviewers are full of it. I subscribed. Great work!
I wonder if it would be effective to use all the sensors the phone has to gather detail, and basically paste the image taken with the 77 mm lense onto the 24mm image, and feather edges, it would basically make a very slight blur vignette. I don't know if anyone has tried this but I think it would work pretty well.
This has been a very frustrating problem ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 6 to 12Pro. The way the auto settings deceptively crop and process your images is so annoying to deal with and results in poorer images. The most common problem is when I select the 2x lens and iPhone actually crops in from the 1x lens, with no way to disable or force it unless I use a 3rd party app. If apple keeps wanting to boast about these “pro” camera features, they need to implement a “pro camera app” for people who don’t want to deal with the automatic nonsense!
My 11 pro max took as good or better pics than my current 14 pro max in daylight. The processing it does I wish was an option to turn off. Not gonna upgrade until maybe the 16 pro max.
Thank you for pointing that out. I am not the only person who is thinking that Apple went a step back with its big iPhone. I use the 14pro and S23 ultra combo, I don’t think iPhone can replace the Samsung.
Thank you for explaining this so well! I heard several phone reviewers talking about how great the new 120mm lens is and that it means “you won’t need portrait mode anymore because this lens will produce great out-of focus backgrounds in-camera”, which is of course complete nonsense! Even they have fallen for the marketing!!
Since Jobs first took over it's been nothing but a marketing company trying to extract every last penny from their customers. The last time I gave Apple any money was for an Apple ][, and they aren't doing anything to change that.
@@Reg-z3vJobs was one of the founders of Apple and he has been deceased for quite some time now. Tim Cook has been the CEO of Apple since Steve Jobs Death.
Where are you getting the information that 24 megapixel files are to boost iCloud revenue? You can literally go into the settings and select 12MP as your default if you'd like. Same as before. Why did you leave that part out if your whole point is that you are disappointed by Apple misleading you? Wouldn't that bit of info be helpful to your viewers? I'm sure how you can see how it feels intentionally misleading on your part.
@@gigamoment yes, but the Leica Q2 crops from a 28mm F/1.7 full frame lens, whereas the iPhone is cropping from a 24mm F/6.2 FF equivalent lens. So to get ~75mm on both, the Leica Q2 will take the photo with an equivalent F/5.1, which is acceptable. The iPhone will now have an equivalent F/18.6, which is awful. The previous iphone 14 pro 77mm F/9.8 FF-equivalent lens is 2 stops more than the 15 pro's cropped 75mm F/18.6 FF-equivalent lens. So Tony is spot on.
@@wheatstone4487 It's not exactly that. iPhone has a NPU which is a lot more sophisticated than that of Leica. That makes the crop of iphone to be much more detailed.
@@gigamoment I have an S23 Ultra and even the 2x cropped 50mm-equivalent photo from a 200MP sensor with neural processing looks noticeably worse than the 75mm 10MP telephoto lens. No amount of neural processing is going to make up 2 full stops of light (at least not today, maybe in the future).
You are the ultimate source for all things photography. Please help a lay-person understand the difference between an iPhone's cameras and dropping $5K on the Canon EOS R5 Cinematic, or Nikon Z7 II for example. My iphone can shoot in cinematic mode, so why spend thousands on a mirrorless camera? Please help me understand IF there is a difference and if it's worth it. Why spend multi-thousands when a phone camera can shoot cinematic 4K content
Thanks for highlighting the issue with the 77mm vs 120mm. 77mm is a wayyy more useful focal length to have optically. Will be sticking to the regular Pro.
Don’t listen to him, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He mistakenly took 12mp in his calculations while in reality it’s going to be 48mp sensor not 12mp 😂 4 times difference 😂
@@danguelph2676lol you don't know what ur talking about it's actually a 12 mp sensor because it's a quad Bayer sensor it bins to 12 but apple decided to bin theirs with 24 mp which is actually counter productive with low light shots.
@@BLAKEEATS1988The 48MP files are indeed quite more detailed than the 12MP ones. One reviewer compared the iPhone 14 pro with the canon R10 (which has 24MP), and concluded they both had the same amount of detail.
How about you review the phone and its photo capabilities when you get it. No point saying the 14 pro with crop will be exactly the same because you know they work on algorithms all the time.
I was looking forward to your comments on this as when they said 7 lenses it blew my mind how they could come up with such a lie. If we want to crop something we can do it at any time… this was ridiculous from Apple. 🤣 Thanks for adding more details and light to the topic
Yes you can crop and still have detail if you take the photo in raw where you have 48mp. But if you are in the normal mode which is what 99% of people are in when they use the camera app the photos on the 14pro are 12mp and 15pro are 24mp. Go and crop using that normal mode without raw and it wont be the same thing. So in theory if apple uses the 24mm lens/camera and crop it 4 times (apple using all of the 48mp's in the background with out you knowing) it WOULD end up being like a 96mm lens at 12mp. I will be comparing this on my channel comparing the 14 vs 15 vs my Sony a7rV at 61mp
@@NateGigovic Hi! This is exactly the problem! 99% of users do not have this knowledge and we can't assume that they will. Additionally, it is not practical to use raw all the time for all the time for 99% of the people... 1) because of the limited storage on the device and the high cost for the increased storage, 2) the extra step for regular users trying to get raw files out of their phones and 3) due to iCloud storage again cost....) Bottom line, apple is using marketing terms and looking at revenue with their misleading claims (including when they say 7 lenses). We completely understand your point but good luck explaining this to the other 99% my friend.
Tony claimed that the iPhone 14 camera is better but I didn't see any evidence for that. Pus, aren't the sensors on the main camera for the 15 like 50% larger?
Yeh I’m a little skeptical of this video as I have seen other reviews based on just the cameras alone on the iPhone 15/15 max and they seem really good. There is a good video that someone has done with the Samsung s23 ultra vs the iPhone 15 pro max it’s based on photos and videos… really good watch and they go through everything
You're only partially right... The 28mm and 35mm are not just crops. What Apple calls "photonic engine" mixes in detail information from the 48MP sensor and you actually get more detail at 35mm (1.5x) than at 24mm (1.0x). I have the 15 pro max and this was the first thing I tested when I got it. Because they are using the photonic engine for everything now (before, it was only on main camera at 1.0x zoom) you also get better detail at, let's say 2.9x then on the 14 Pro Max. From 3.0x to 4.9x the 14 pro max will have more resolution, but with a worse sensor then the main, so the image might still be worse then on the 15 pro max if you have low light... From 5.0x on, the 15 Pro Max obviously wins. Lastly, the standard 24MP images are really more detailed then the 12MP on the 14 Pro Max, even with the same sensor, again, because of Photonic Engine mixing in detail.
I had a Pixel 7 Pro but rarely used the telephotolens. Why? Because the focal length wasn't very useful. 3x is way more useful in everyday situations! I loved the setup on the iPhone 7 Plus - 24 and 70mm. I rarely use wide!
I actually use the zoom on my Ultra often but the use-case is not for "photography". I'm an IT guy and often there is equipment 20-30 feet in the air that have difficult to read labels. So yeah most of my zoom pictures are me using the zoom as ghetto binoculars.
I am definitely not going to defend Apple by default, but in this case, you're wrong, Tony. According to an apple contact via the Waveform podcast, the "fake" focal lengths are actually 24mp output of a combination of all available lenses, and the middle zoom ranges will do the same. So it's not going to be a degraded image to the extent you're assuming. That being said, of course native focal lengths are better, but to assume that they aren't doing anything to improve the output to be useable would be unfair.
Thank you for this Tony. I was on the fence because I have an iPhone se 2nd gen and before that I had an iPhone 7. I wanted to upgrade to the pro max this year, but the only real upside I can see now is being able to record directly onto an ssd. I’ll either wait another year or get the base 15 plus.
That can’t seriously be the only upside you see when you have an iPhone SE… that phone has one camera, it can only digitally zoom, and the sensor is much tinier compared to the 48mp one. Even getting a Pro Max that’s a few generations old would be an upgrade.
@@myNEONCITYya, one REALLY GOOD LENS. I have done side by side images on the SE with newer iPhones and the se beats them all - the newer cameras look very “digital” like earl6 digital cameras. The se looks super smooth, sharp and with no digital artifacting. So I haven’t missed upgrading my se so far. It’s the sweet point that they stupidly left in the dust. My only complaint is the wide angle distortion you see if you are too close - everything looks taller and narrower, but to your average person, no one would notice that.
@@btpuppy2 Beats them all? Not in any capacity. You just prefer the look of the SE’s photos, which is fine, but saying it’s better is kinda crazy. In anything but the brightest light, the SE just doesn’t compare well to the newer phones.
@@myNEONCITY yes, I prefer a sharp, natural looking image. Coming from someone who shoots the highest end digital as well as film cameras (I’ve got 3 Rollei TLR’s) as well as other medium format cameras. I know what I like.
@@btpuppy2 Shooting on the best cameras and then preferring the photos of the most inferior iPhone camera that Apple has to offer is kinda astonishing tbh
Ouch. Having everything from 25mm to 124 mm being a crop of the 24 mm main lens is pretty brutal. Apple definitely should have kept the 3x and then added a 5x on the Pro Max. The seven lens marketing is very dishonest.
It's equivalent. So you'll be getting those "other lenses" but with smaller effective sensor size as you increase focal length equivalent Of course there won't be any negative words during a marketing release. No one does that
I wish Apple could provide bigger sensors for ultra wide and telephoto lenses. Other than that I am extremely happy with 14 Pro when shooting with ProRaw files
@@orange25i yes I watched the video. iphone 14 pro and 15 pro shares same main camera sensor, ultra wide camera sensor, and 3x telephoto sensor. I mentioned iPhone 14 pro here because implicitly I wouldn’t upgrade to iphone 15 pro unless apple gave us bigger sensors for ultra wide and telephoto models
Thanks for sharing. I think the same and could not decide between Pro and Pro Max because of 3x sacrifice while I'd like to get bigger screen. I do not FULLY agree regarding the 24PM storage story since the 24 MP file size is not that bigger compare to 12 MP.
I've seen a handfull of reviews of the 15s low light photography side of things. On many instances, the pics from the 14 and Galaxy 23 look much better. I'm a android user myself and was planning to make a switch to ios with the 15 but now, I'm in doubt. Respect, for being forthcoming Tony.
I can here because I was thinking of switching to Apple from my Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra, but am shocked at how bad the iPhone is. I shoot a lot of photos on the S22 and I think a lot of them are over compressed, except when using RAW. I can’t believe people pay for cloud storage, my Galaxy links seamlessly with my Microsoft account with its free cloud storage. Almost all of my family and friends use Samsung or Pixel phones. I really can’t understand why so many Apple professional photographer users accept that a good chunk of the screen is missing where the sensors are, it’s so amateurish and arrogant of Apple to maintain this terrible design flaw and spin it out as a feature.
@@sandyfordd1843 Nice to hear someone from the same side of the page when it comes to phones. However, in terms of cloud storage (correct me if I'm wrong) Microsoft offers only 5gb of free storage and so does Apple icloud. Google on the other hand provides 15gb of mixed storage. Honestly, I prefer icloud because they offer a free option to E2EE encryption under their advance settings. Other big name cloud storage companies don't offer E2EE partly because they use our personal data for their own data mining purposes. Also, most of the time these companies shy away from questions relating to E2EE. I mean since majority of the phones these days don't offer a sd card option so that in itself levels, the playing field. Which ever phone you buy sooner or later you will require cloud (except Sony for time being). If only the ip15 pro takes photos to my liking I would jump instantly for an iphone and their cloud service. I hope Apple can release a camera update/patch to correct the shadow areas and brightness. Right now if I compare the ip15 to a s23 or p8 pro iphone looses by miles in handling shadow areas. Anyway, these are my personal thoughts. To each his own. ✌️
You should really read up on your details before making such a video. Your claim that it's only digital crop ignores the influence of software to (modern) mobile photography. Of course there aren't any dedicated prime lenses. They wouldn't fit in there without sacrificing on sensor size for the individual lenses. Besides having the photo processing pipeline being run on the cropped part of the 48MP, Apple has apparently build dedicated machine learning algorithms to account for the different virtual focal lengths (crops) in the image processing. Surely this also marketing and not the same as having a dedicated lens, but from a practical perspective I expect this to have an impact, especially as someone who considers the 24mm equivalent to be too wide. In the end the photos have to speak for themselves, but you didn't even wait to try it and rather go on a rant 🤷🏼♂ By the way Apple, never claimed this to be anything else than virtual focal lengths. The 7 lens phrasing is clearly figuratively. And yes also marketing. Wouldn't you market your product as best as you can? Silly complaint
For aperture, they are using it conceptually in terms of light per unit area rather than total light. From a signal standpoint, 48 megapixels spread across a full frame sensor, means that each larger photosite will be gathering more light since they are physically larger, hence why even with the latest tech, if you look at the raw files from newer iphones, and devices like the pixel 7, the raw files have a lot of noise at their lowest ISO, and the lens lacks the ability to resolve the amount of detail to offer even 12 megapixels. Usually the lenses that show signs of resolving to that level, are often prohibitively expensive for full frame and medium format cameras (the ones that work well in the high res pixel shift mode). Sadly that level of manufacturing doesn't make its way down to the $20 smartphone camera modules.
Totally agree with you. The biggest feature of the iP15 is USB-C which other makers are using years now plus some small tweaks. Apple presentation of the iPhone camera was a joke.
@@Nickporter17 Yeah I know, but I didn’t transfer data with a cable for years. So it doesn’t matter for me. The missing 120Hz on the normal iPhone 15 is the big issue that makes me buy the 15Pro.
Upgrading from an iPhone X, I was considering the pro max, even though I prefer a smaller phone. So glad I decided on the 15 pro, as it seems that for most shots, it will be a better option.
Thanks for stripping away a lot of the hype. A few of the things you are highlighting don't turn out to be objectively true. The 24mp images don't take more space, let alone twice as much space for storage. Many other photographers do feel the 24mp images are better than the previous 12mp ones. You're right about the 48mp gimmick. You're sort of right about the cropping vs different lenses. But it is helpful to have a quick way to change the POV of the image and that these changes refer somewhat to real world lens sizes. Computational photography will always be different but different isn't always worse. Subjectivity is involved.
Honestly….. having that 5x is really nice. As a 14 pro user, I always wish I had a little more zoom and the 5x is perfect for me in how I shoot. I do wide, macro, ultra wide and now a 5x zoom! Personally, I think it’s great. I never shoot 2-4x. Also, the better aperture is nice :). This is just me, but I completely understand what you’re saying. I laughed when Apple said “it’s like having 7 lenses!” LOL. The marketing is insane…
Yeah. I''m upgrading from a 13 pro to the 15 pro max. I'm often shooting pics from my plane and the 3x just isn't enough. I get what he's saying but for me the 5x will be great. I can work around the lack of intermediate focal lengths.
First of all, Apple did say "...like having 7 lenses.." they never said it's actually seven lenses, so I don't understand why Tony is so upset. Secondly, having 7 different focal length is very convenient and this time with a press of a button on screen you can chose any of them! Thirdly, Tony made a mistake, a rather big one, there's no 12Mp sensor that will be cropped, but there's 48Mp slightly bigger sensor that is going to be sensor cropped. So his file size calculations are roughly 4 times smaller than it's actually going to be. In any case, you can go from 13mm to 24mm, 28mm, 35mm, 48mm and 120mm and all of these will have at least 12Mp, while at 24mm you will have 48Mp. Consider it as a 3 lens setup: 13mm wide, 24-48mm main lens, and 120mm tele. What not to like? As a bonus lenses now get antireflective nano coating, and Apple wizardry when making stacked photos that combines 48Mp details with 12Mp low light binning into 24Mp output file for 24mm main lens. Plus cinematic mode is now improved to all lenses. Log file available also. Of course Tony "forgot" to mention all this haha.
That is why I've chosen Xperia 1 V this year. This is literately first smartphone which is taking pictures which are comparable with mirrorless camera without this crazy over sharpening, destroying shadows and making day from night.
That is what I worry about. The over sharpening. Looks fake. I am from the “film” days of photography. I like the creamy quality of film,.. not the fake stuff
@@tarapaul8212 same in my case, that is why I tried Xperia. With this new chip and after first software update this phone is really great. What I also noticed with my previous 14 pro, was really aggressive HDR which often destroyed picture.
Thanks so much Tony for the through and clear explanations. Sadly, it confirms what I had already expected. Wouldn't it be nice to expect that for $1600 one could get a smart phone from Apple that provided camera lenses fitting to that price point... and actually get it?
Think about it, I’d they don’t boost it or mention it, they didn’t do it. If the sensor actually was bigger or better they would say it. Now it’s all about computational photography.
The bottom line to me is that cell phones are not really good cameras. They are convenient, that’s all. At a MLB HOF induction, I used a Samsung to record video until it was too hot to hold. Then I used an iPhone to record video and it shut down when it became hot.
Tony I love your content but you fundamentally misunderstand what Apple has done with the camera system on the iPhone 15 Pro and how the digital crop works. You really need to publish a retraction video and provide the factual information. The 24 MM focal length shoots by default at 24 MP, not 12... but SO DO THE 28 MM AND 35 MM! How? Because they combine a 48 MP detail image into the multiple shot pipeline that the camera uses to create the 24 MP end result. The main camera behaves VERY differently from the same 48 MP camera on last year's 14 Pro that defaulted down to 12 MP jpegs and created the low megapixel totals you posted in this video but the 15 Pro leverages the much more powerful CPU/GPU in the form of the A17 Pro to do something far, far better.
It's because phone manufacturers are working with telecommunication companies to find a way to buy or use more data or upgrade your data / wifi plans. The bigger the files the more services you are using. They get money from carriers!
Well, your theory got proved wrong with the first REAL reviews of the 15pro models. Apple doesn't just make a digital crop for the 28mm, 35mm and 48mm FL. They use their new photogenic engine, Deep Fusion and their algorithms to process a 24mp image that has more detail than just a digital crop done in post processing. Yes, the reviewers say that there is a bit of a trade off in IQ, the more you get to the longer FL until the real 120mm kicks in. So the smaller 15pro does better images in this range than the pro max. But the difference doesn't seem as big as you suggest. Much better than just a digital crop done in post processing.
I had no idea the apertures on the 15 Pro Max were so incredibly low. Which iPhone has the lowest apertures but still resolution that I can use to print an 8x10 or 11x14? I also am stuck with Apple bc of all the features my friends and family use (shared albums, etc.), so I can't move to Samsung. 😞
These inflammatory knee-jerk response videos only serve to mislead consumers. By your own admission, you didn’t have the phone when you filmed this and somehow immediately agree with yourself that the 14 Pro you have is better without doing any research. Multiple other professional photographers on RUclips have correctly covered exactly what Apple is doing here - because they did their research before just guns blazing hit record - with the 15 Pro and it’s very clear. I’m just happy so many people are calling you out in the comments because I expected it to all be blind support.
Thanks for this information. I was already to purchase the 15 pro max until I read this. I bought the 15 pro instead. (Upgrade from SE2) I understand all the “zooms” in-between are just crops. But I’m wondering if Apple applys any AI magic to these crops that make them better than a simple crop I’d make afterwards? (Haven’t got it yet to test)
How is it even possible to legally say they are including “7 lenses” when they are actually offering 7 different “focal lengths” by way of technical trickery? Is this even allowed?
I'm surprised they went with 5x optical zoom as well. It will be super awkward to use for portrait pictures. Sony, with their Xperia III-V and continuous optical zoom between 85mm f/2.3 (3.5x) and 125mm f/2.8 (5.2x) over the main camera, would make so much more sense.
It's not an optical _zoom_. It's a fixed focus telephoto. That's the whole reason the image quality drops so much as you digital zoom from 1x to just before 5x.
Dude my 11 pro max took better pics than my 14 pro max. My bro still has his 11 pro max and same thing still better pics especially in daylight. Not upgrading to the 15 pro max; not making the same mistake again. The differences are minuscule to me idc how Apple words it.
Probably not much. i have a iPhone 7 which I brought new. I will be upgrading to the 15 as it is extremely different and better than my current phone. If unlike me you've upgraded your phone within the last 5 years or want something better, then iPhone is probably not the best choice. The 16 will not be that different to the 15
In your effort to battle misinformation you introduce some of your own, such as calling the 48mm crop a 3MP image when it's real 12MP, acting like Apple promised optical zoom all the way through to 5x etc. The amount of stuff you've made up in this video is crazy.
@@Davesaintgold That is how every smartphone maker markets these, no consumer actually thinks that the zoom is continuous. He obviously is completely ignorant of the smartphone world and only knows phones through his iPhone and the Apple events.
I’ve seen comparisons already from iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro photos, the 15 is definitely better. This channel has done these outlandish takes so many times now.
His main beef regarding quality was with the Pro Max, not the Pro. At 120mm the 15 will be better quality because it's using the new "120mm f/2.8" lens. At 119mm the 15 will be much worse because it's cropping from a much wider angle lens than the 14.
I was seriously thinking about upgrading to the iPhone 15 Pro Max to replace my 13 Pro Max. I thought the USB-C would be nice for transfer speed and the new “48 mp camera” seemed like a great upgrade. Until you ruined it all for me. And I am so glad you did. It isn’t something I NEED, so I will be waiting until Apple starts acting like the Old Apple again and see what they come up with that isn’t just smoke and mirrors. (heavy on the mirrors). Thanks so much, Tony.
Totally misleading video! Tony Northrup fails to acknowledge that the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max main camera system has been upgraded and now creates 24-megapixel images natively. His samples are from an iPhone 14 Pro Max, which saves 12-megapixel images from the main camera. His “analysis” would be more fair if he was actually using an iPhone 15 Pro Max instead of just trying to simulate one. Tony’s side-by-side images are using a crop off a 12-megapixel image, and that is dishonest.
Tony didn’t you do a similar video last year when the 14 came out? Seems you’re the only one I’ve run across that thinks the 15 is a “pack of lies”… I’m thinking you’re looking way to deeply into this for your own good as every other reviewer is not nearly so concerned.
Will you upgrade to iPhone 16 pro I with you think 48mp 12mp I don’t think most people really no difference since several past iPhones think image quality not very differential in quality think been fooling us day one thanks for the video
I think for everyone that has a knowledge about photography will realize that neither an S23U nor a iPhone can match a Canon/Nikon Fulframe camera. Not even my beloved OM-1 with my 40-150/F2.8. Even to advertise a 200mpix sensor is kind of BS, since its not even comparable to a FF 200mpix sensor if it would exist. I agree with you the general crowd will follow the bait, no matter if it is Samsung, Apple or Sony advertising it ... I call it crowd control. By adding buzz words paired with unrealistic specs, they want to increase the profit.
this is simply not correct. An Apple rep proved everything you are saying as wrong when talking with MKBHD before their podcast. it's not just cropping, it's using the 48MP sensor to create a higher res 24MP image of the different focal lengths. Simply cropping would not increase the MP
You're still cropping, though. You're still losing detail and getting more noise. Plus, it's literally impossible to get a 24mp image from a 2x crop of a 48mp sensor. Stop falling for Apple's nonsense.
@@TechnoBabble do you bozos even listen or pay attention to anything? Up until now iPhone photos have been 12MP. Now the 48MP sensor is being used to generate 24MP photos at the different focal lengths. You're still getting a 24MP image at all of the focal lengths which is double what it's been up until this point. So sure, it's technically "cropping", but the entire premise of this video is wrong
Thanks for calling out apple’s marketing BS. Film photography had it right 50 years ago with Olympus OM1. All mechanical. No battery required. The glass from that camera is still great after all these years and works on digital camera bodies like Sony A7iv.
6:41 Apple never really innovated on the iPhone. They would simply buy another innovative company & polish their innovations to fit Apple's plan. Their biggest innovation was the ecosystem, which technically was a polish Blackberry's BBM & Enterprise servers.
You have a wrong understanding on equivalent aperture concept! That F21 equivalent aperture only refers to the background blur, Not the actual exposure. That means if you are using F2.8 aperture on iPhone, you also use the same F2.8 aperture for the correct exposure!
Tony, I’ve always loved and respected you as a photographer and I love your podcast but I’m confused on what this complaining is about. I mean if iPhone 15 is bad then why not stay with 14? Or why not take a step back to 13? It just seems like, the complaints are, kind of useless especially when you have all these insanely fancy Sony, Canon, this and that camera and your complaining about a smart phone. Who’s photography is really designed for the average casual person who just wants a photo of their five-year-old, jumping off of some thing. Nobody takes a serious photo with and phone, so why would somebody complain about stuff that the average person doesn’t even care about? Specially you professional photographer complaining about a non-professional tool. That would be like a race car driver complaining that a family sedan is not handling. Turns as well. Well, it’s a family sedan not a professional race car. So what if Apple advertises something that it’s not. Who cares. Every company advertises something that they’re not.
They said the iphone 15 pro max will have a new 48mp sensor compared to 14 pro max! What’s your view on this? Can you confirm once you get the new iphone?
This sums Apple up for me. They're probably the best company in the world at marketing their products. But scratch beneath the surface and you realise there products don't live up to the hype
To be fair, Most people that buy iphones, "buy it" cause its apple... its a status symbol to some people. So regardless of apple's iterative increments on the iPhone, they will still make huge sales and have a loyal fan base... Give it to them, their marketing is next level!
I was waiting for your video on this after your video on the 14 pro. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Apple marketing at it's finest. At what point do we apple fans say enough is enough. Honestly this is the first year I will probably not upgrade. If Samsung could fix the shutter lag, its game over.
F/2.8 is f/2.8, no matter what the focal length of a lens. So Tony’s off base again. And for those not into photography who may not realize that the focal lengths listed on an iPhone are equivalencies for full frame digital cameras, so what? And for those photographers in the know who realize the focal lengths are equivalents, so what?
Great explanation about the “120mm” lens. I much prefer the 77mm distance on a phone for zoom. I didn’t take into account that the 3x zoom will be much worse now on the 15 pro max.
@@gigamoment I don't want some horribly processed image. Just give me some REAL data that I can manipulate. The S23 Ultra is the best of both worlds: a true 3x AND a true 10x. Nothing will switch me back to iPhone after having experienced full RAW support (photos AND videos) on all 4 rear cameras + the selfie camera.
@@vivek_v Man what are you talking about? Do you know that iPhone has RAW support for all the cameras including videos? And not only that, but the ProRAW it has is the best RAW in smartphones, period. Try find a 48MP ProRAW (DNG) from iPhone 14 Pro and check for your self. You will be amazed by the quality, S23U is not even close, and I am telling you this as a Galaxy user.
Thank you for your honest review. I have question, Did you try to connect a video capture card ? Its working as camera monitor ? Like the Sony xperia 1v Thank you
I am a long time Android user and actually iPhone 15 Pro is the first time iPhone seems attractive enough for me to switch. So I was quite surprised that you find this generation of iPhone so much terrible. :) So a few opinions to the points you made (I have not yet tested the phone in real life): 1) 7 lenses - yes this is definitely a marketing trash talk. Other companies do some trash talk too. So I do not care too much. I know there are only 3 real lenses. I know that the in-between "lenses" are just cropped and upscaled images. It does not worry me as far as the cropping is not too severe and the images look good. 2) 120 mm is useless and makes anything below this zoom a garbage, I completely agree with you. Fortunately I prefer smaller screens (and phones which I can operate with just one hand and that fit into my pocket) so my obvious choice will be 15 Pro (not Max) which has much more useful 3x optical zoom. 3) Quad-pixels probably have no meaning if you do not crop and upscale. But if you do, then quad-pixel can definitely result (at least in theory) in better images. And regarding iCloud, I probably will be using it only as a temporary storage so not a big issue for me. The limited storage will force me to filter and process the images immediately instead of piling them up and never getting back to them... 4) Yeah, I know the calculations are not correct. But it is not a big problem for me as long as the images are usable. I remain pragmatic in this case. 5) I am now not in Apple ecosystem and I do not plan using it too much except for the iPhone. So lets see how it goes with the iPhone, I am now waiting till they arrive to EU. Meanwhile I am using Sony Xperia 1 V which is a kind of strange instrument. It has wonderful main camera producing naturally looking images but the rest of the phone is just so annoying to me (and its zoom is garbage).
Even though it's just a crop it still looks really really good. It uses the 48mp 1x main lense to crop into, and it will look really good. We have to wait till we get the phone in our hands to see how bad it is. Yes the 3x 77mm would have been nice to have also. But I mostly use 1x and 2x anyways I think, and then it will be nice with the longer 5x 120mm zoom.
You’re writing “iPhone 15 Pro Max Results” in the side-by-side comparisons. Can you confirm these photos are indeed from a 15 Pro Max? If so I’m surprised there isn’t an embargo stopping these from being shown prior to release day like usual.
@@GreenhornPhototaker not really. Hour and a half presentation and it was barely mentioned. Every phone manufacturer has been overhyping their cameras these days, because they know its a good incentive to get people to upgrade. And any metric has always been to compare to previous generations and not to actual cameras.
@@hautehusseyNone of the major manufacturers ever advertised different focal lengths as lenses unlike Apple. Stop being iSheep and don't generalize it.
@@srsgonu no, they just have “a hyper detailed new 100x zoom!” Or “set up your phone like a mobile studio, complete with 30x Space Zoom.13 So you can shoot, reshoot, zoom and edit with a whole new level of creative freedom.”
They will continue to drip feed the more physical/ costly improvements. Their focus will be on the computational software and operating systems, which DOES actually improve picture quality and user experience. Wait for real life user reviews before judging, but be careful that some of the reviewers/ influencers know little about photography and are given financial incentives to give positive reviews.
Although Tony spoke mainly about stills, I found this video super informative. I have an iPhone 13 mini and was thinking about getting the 15 Pro. One drawback was the idea of shooting video in ProRes but couldn't understand the value in huge files. Sure, you can create beautiful video with ProRes but how many people are going to see the results (on RUclips or company websites)?
Thanks, Tony, for the insight. I almost ordered the 15 PM and now so glad I didn’t. I’m like you in that my family and friends all have iPhones. Getting an Android now would be a hassle. I’ll just keep my current iPhone until it quits.
WAIT! Check this out, get your 15 Pro Max out. Cover the main camera lens, the lower lens, with your finger and set to 1x. Obviously the camera is blocked. Now, switch to 5x...still blocked! The supposed 120mm is the same lens?? I thought the 120 was the center lens, but on my 15 Pro Max it seems to be just a crop of the main 1x lens?? Has anyone else noticed this? The center lens does nothing on my phone except in slomo and timelapse modes.
I almost bought this phone, but then I had huge speculation around the cameras - guess I was right. Ended up with XPERIA 1V edit: my brain died, i accidentally put s23 ultra
Great vid. Thanks Tony (not trying for tough love here, but I think you could bump up your audio volume (do you use the broadcast standard gain conventions?) and actually, I'd like you eq'd a little. I hear your actual voice being a little brighter in this recording. Nothing wrong with the signal strength.) Going to the content, You have single-handedly convinced me not to switch to an iPhone. I desperately want to get away from the BS that is Google's new privacy thrashing policy - entitling them to basically anything on your phone (as previously) and also anything on your computer - for training their AI kids, you understand. I'm sticking with my Galaxy s22 ultra with a nice 10x zoom and a 108 mpixel wide angle camera. I still haven't exhausted all the great things that I can do with that camera. (I bought a Nikon Z9 and a handful of choice lenses, but I'm still happy to have my phone with me to snap photos.
This video shows that this guy has shallow knowledge about current tech. too bad.. For the zoom lens, if u want to have a lossless quality zoom, u only can pick it 1x, 2x or 5x for the Pro max models... of course the quality is bad on 2.1x - 4.9x.. its the same as Samsuns S23U, the quality will be bad it 3.1x - 9.9x.. This show that u are better not to review tech or otherwise, u make a fool of yourself... And for the last reason, its completely absurd, why is it apple's fault that your android cant use facetime, airdrop?? ever hear about the word of ecosystem?? and why dont u just asked all of your family members to switch to androids? they might have their own reason why they choose apple for their daily driver. and somehow its apple's fault.. lol
Not a photographer, but I do take a lot of pictures for work documentation. I upgraded to the iPhone 15 Pro Max and have noticed that it doesn’t measure up to the hype. I wish I wasn’t so integrated into the apple ecosystem, because the S23 photos look amazing. What a disappointment to have spent almost $2k on an iPhone that is mediocre in one of the ways that matters to me.
This is exactly what I was thinking when they presented the "120mm" telephoto. Thank you for sharing this information Tony, you are the best!
Seriously! Was just thinking that. I thought I was losing my mind watching all the coverage when no other content creators were calling this out. Leave it to Tony to actually call it like it is
@@roland.boyden It would be very interesting to see the tiny size of the sensor in that so called "120 mm" too
Read my mind...not going back to apple anytime soon. Better faster slimer....every year. Cellphone technology has peaked!
10:20 Explanation for people outside of america. People in america use iMessage, which nobody else in the world uses. They don't know WhatsApp, which allows flawless communication between all phones. So they have the impression, that they are locked.
@@__Mr.White__true. I use iMessage and WhatsApp and etc etc. I’m not in the USA. I can communicate with Android and Apple users no problem. Don’t understand why he thinks he’s locked?
The iPjone 15 Pro Max has 3 cameras: 13 mm wide angle 12-megapixel, 24 mm 48 megapixel main , and 120 mm 12 megapixel telephoto. These are NOT ZOOM LENSES. These are FIXED lenses. However, because the sensor pixels can be combined to achieve 24 megapixel photos, the 24 mm main can emulate 28, 35, and 48 mm 24 megapixel FIXED lenses. Like all fixed lenses, any other zoom setting will crop the sensor output and achieve lower resolution photos.
At least one guy who checked it out as it really is and summarizes it here.
I have always been leery of phone camera claims because they are either cropping or doing stuff by software to achieve the effects. Not like using a real zoom or macro lens on a camera.
I am so happy someone is calling them out. I’m a photographer and I see right through them. The average consumer doesn’t even understand what they are selling. They just throw a bunch of fancy terms and words out there and hopes the consumer just wants to keep up with the Joneses. And these iPhone reviewers are full of it. I subscribed. Great work!
Same with the Apple Watch Ultra. Not even close to the best sport adventure watch but the kool-aid drinkers think it is.
Software manipulation.
I wonder if it would be effective to use all the sensors the phone has to gather detail, and basically paste the image taken with the 77 mm lense onto the 24mm image, and feather edges, it would basically make a very slight blur vignette. I don't know if anyone has tried this but I think it would work pretty well.
It's called an iPHONE. not an iCAMERA!
Yeah same here. I don't have family members who will do "interventions" so I'm still with pixel, for now :)
This is wrong about the megapixel crops because they are using 48mp as the standard so the crops go down to 24 and 12mp respectively
This has been a very frustrating problem ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 6 to 12Pro. The way the auto settings deceptively crop and process your images is so annoying to deal with and results in poorer images. The most common problem is when I select the 2x lens and iPhone actually crops in from the 1x lens, with no way to disable or force it unless I use a 3rd party app. If apple keeps wanting to boast about these “pro” camera features, they need to implement a “pro camera app” for people who don’t want to deal with the automatic nonsense!
My 11 pro max took as good or better pics than my current 14 pro max in daylight. The processing it does I wish was an option to turn off. Not gonna upgrade until maybe the 16 pro max.
Thank you for pointing that out. I am not the only person who is thinking that Apple went a step back with its big iPhone. I use the 14pro and S23 ultra combo, I don’t think iPhone can replace the Samsung.
Però può farlo SONY
Thank you for explaining this so well! I heard several phone reviewers talking about how great the new 120mm lens is and that it means “you won’t need portrait mode anymore because this lens will produce great out-of focus backgrounds in-camera”, which is of course complete nonsense! Even they have fallen for the marketing!!
Shoot I can't lie I fell for it too.smh
Since Jobs first took over it's been nothing but a marketing company trying to extract every last penny from their customers. The last time I gave Apple any money was for an Apple ][, and they aren't doing anything to change that.
@@Reg-z3vJobs was one of the founders of Apple and he has been deceased for quite some time now. Tim Cook has been the CEO of Apple since Steve Jobs Death.
It is great!
Apple release a phone, also Con Man Zelinsky asks for another 25 billion. 🤷
Where are you getting the information that 24 megapixel files are to boost iCloud revenue? You can literally go into the settings and select 12MP as your default if you'd like. Same as before. Why did you leave that part out if your whole point is that you are disappointed by Apple misleading you? Wouldn't that bit of info be helpful to your viewers? I'm sure how you can see how it feels intentionally misleading on your part.
Thank you for this video! Scrapping the 75mm for a 120mm was shocking to me. 120mm is so much less useful than 75mm. It's not even close.
I agree, but regarding the cropping, even Leica has the Q2 model that crops. This channel here is a mess
@@gigamoment yes, but the Leica Q2 crops from a 28mm F/1.7 full frame lens, whereas the iPhone is cropping from a 24mm F/6.2 FF equivalent lens. So to get ~75mm on both, the Leica Q2 will take the photo with an equivalent F/5.1, which is acceptable. The iPhone will now have an equivalent F/18.6, which is awful.
The previous iphone 14 pro 77mm F/9.8 FF-equivalent lens is 2 stops more than the 15 pro's cropped 75mm F/18.6 FF-equivalent lens. So Tony is spot on.
@@wheatstone4487 It's not exactly that. iPhone has a NPU which is a lot more sophisticated than that of Leica. That makes the crop of iphone to be much more detailed.
@@gigamoment I have an S23 Ultra and even the 2x cropped 50mm-equivalent photo from a 200MP sensor with neural processing looks noticeably worse than the 75mm 10MP telephoto lens.
No amount of neural processing is going to make up 2 full stops of light (at least not today, maybe in the future).
You are the ultimate source for all things photography. Please help a lay-person understand the difference between an iPhone's cameras and dropping $5K on the Canon EOS R5 Cinematic, or Nikon Z7 II for example. My iphone can shoot in cinematic mode, so why spend thousands on a mirrorless camera? Please help me understand IF there is a difference and if it's worth it. Why spend multi-thousands when a phone camera can shoot cinematic 4K content
Thanks for highlighting the issue with the 77mm vs 120mm. 77mm is a wayyy more useful focal length to have optically. Will be sticking to the regular Pro.
Don’t listen to him, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He mistakenly took 12mp in his calculations while in reality it’s going to be 48mp sensor not 12mp 😂 4 times difference 😂
@@danguelph2676the telephoto 5x lens is 12mp. The main camera is 48.
@@danguelph2676lol you don't know what ur talking about it's actually a 12 mp sensor because it's a quad Bayer sensor it bins to 12 but apple decided to bin theirs with 24 mp which is actually counter productive with low light shots.
@@BLAKEEATS1988The 48MP files are indeed quite more detailed than the 12MP ones. One reviewer compared the iPhone 14 pro with the canon R10 (which has 24MP), and concluded they both had the same amount of detail.
How about you review the phone and its photo capabilities when you get it. No point saying the 14 pro with crop will be exactly the same because you know they work on algorithms all the time.
I was looking forward to your comments on this as when they said 7 lenses it blew my mind how they could come up with such a lie. If we want to crop something we can do it at any time… this was ridiculous from Apple. 🤣
Thanks for adding more details and light to the topic
@@starbase218😂
As per John Siracusa on atp cropping before and after shooting are not the same.
Yes you can crop and still have detail if you take the photo in raw where you have 48mp. But if you are in the normal mode which is what 99% of people are in when they use the camera app the photos on the 14pro are 12mp and 15pro are 24mp. Go and crop using that normal mode without raw and it wont be the same thing. So in theory if apple uses the 24mm lens/camera and crop it 4 times (apple using all of the 48mp's in the background with out you knowing) it WOULD end up being like a 96mm lens at 12mp. I will be comparing this on my channel comparing the 14 vs 15 vs my Sony a7rV at 61mp
@@NateGigovic Hi!
This is exactly the problem! 99% of users do not have this knowledge and we can't assume that they will. Additionally, it is not practical to use raw all the time for all the time for 99% of the people... 1) because of the limited storage on the device and the high cost for the increased storage, 2) the extra step for regular users trying to get raw files out of their phones and 3) due to iCloud storage again cost....)
Bottom line, apple is using marketing terms and looking at revenue with their misleading claims (including when they say 7 lenses).
We completely understand your point but good luck explaining this to the other 99% my friend.
@@NateGigovicinteresting, can’t wait to see that video!!
Tony claimed that the iPhone 14 camera is better but I didn't see any evidence for that. Pus, aren't the sensors on the main camera for the 15 like 50% larger?
Yeh I’m a little skeptical of this video as I have seen other reviews based on just the cameras alone on the iPhone 15/15 max and they seem really good. There is a good video that someone has done with the Samsung s23 ultra vs the iPhone 15 pro max it’s based on photos and videos… really good watch and they go through everything
You're only partially right... The 28mm and 35mm are not just crops. What Apple calls "photonic engine" mixes in detail information from the 48MP sensor and you actually get more detail at 35mm (1.5x) than at 24mm (1.0x). I have the 15 pro max and this was the first thing I tested when I got it. Because they are using the photonic engine for everything now (before, it was only on main camera at 1.0x zoom) you also get better detail at, let's say 2.9x then on the 14 Pro Max. From 3.0x to 4.9x the 14 pro max will have more resolution, but with a worse sensor then the main, so the image might still be worse then on the 15 pro max if you have low light... From 5.0x on, the 15 Pro Max obviously wins. Lastly, the standard 24MP images are really more detailed then the 12MP on the 14 Pro Max, even with the same sensor, again, because of Photonic Engine mixing in detail.
This.
Exactly. But what youtuber these days would actually do research and give actual facts?
@@l4kr Right? It’d be good to at least have the actual phone in hand before making a review saying it’s bad…
@@capones77how many lenses in the main camera of 15 plus?
I had a Pixel 7 Pro but rarely used the telephotolens. Why? Because the focal length wasn't very useful. 3x is way more useful in everyday situations! I loved the setup on the iPhone 7 Plus - 24 and 70mm. I rarely use wide!
I actually use the zoom on my Ultra often but the use-case is not for "photography". I'm an IT guy and often there is equipment 20-30 feet in the air that have difficult to read labels. So yeah most of my zoom pictures are me using the zoom as ghetto binoculars.
I am definitely not going to defend Apple by default, but in this case, you're wrong, Tony.
According to an apple contact via the Waveform podcast, the "fake" focal lengths are actually 24mp output of a combination of all available lenses, and the middle zoom ranges will do the same. So it's not going to be a degraded image to the extent you're assuming.
That being said, of course native focal lengths are better, but to assume that they aren't doing anything to improve the output to be useable would be unfair.
Yeah, I thought it was strange that Tony was so off. He's usually not this dishonest
Correct. This video is nonsense
A 2x crop on a 48mp sensor would give you a 12mp image. Anything past a 40% crop would give you less than 24mp.
Thank you for this Tony. I was on the fence because I have an iPhone se 2nd gen and before that I had an iPhone 7. I wanted to upgrade to the pro max this year, but the only real upside I can see now is being able to record directly onto an ssd. I’ll either wait another year or get the base 15 plus.
That can’t seriously be the only upside you see when you have an iPhone SE… that phone has one camera, it can only digitally zoom, and the sensor is much tinier compared to the 48mp one. Even getting a Pro Max that’s a few generations old would be an upgrade.
@@myNEONCITYya, one REALLY GOOD LENS. I have done side by side images on the SE with newer iPhones and the se beats them all - the newer cameras look very “digital” like earl6 digital cameras. The se looks super smooth, sharp and with no digital artifacting. So I haven’t missed upgrading my se so far. It’s the sweet point that they stupidly left in the dust. My only complaint is the wide angle distortion you see if you are too close - everything looks taller and narrower, but to your average person, no one would notice that.
@@btpuppy2 Beats them all? Not in any capacity. You just prefer the look of the SE’s photos, which is fine, but saying it’s better is kinda crazy. In anything but the brightest light, the SE just doesn’t compare well to the newer phones.
@@myNEONCITY yes, I prefer a sharp, natural looking image. Coming from someone who shoots the highest end digital as well as film cameras (I’ve got 3 Rollei TLR’s) as well as other medium format cameras. I know what I like.
@@btpuppy2 Shooting on the best cameras and then preferring the photos of the most inferior iPhone camera that Apple has to offer is kinda astonishing tbh
Ouch. Having everything from 25mm to 124 mm being a crop of the 24 mm main lens is pretty brutal. Apple definitely should have kept the 3x and then added a 5x on the Pro Max. The seven lens marketing is very dishonest.
It's equivalent.
So you'll be getting those "other lenses" but with smaller effective sensor size as you increase focal length equivalent
Of course there won't be any negative words during a marketing release. No one does that
I wish Apple could provide bigger sensors for ultra wide and telephoto lenses. Other than that I am extremely happy with 14 Pro when shooting with ProRaw files
You have watched the vid haven't you? He was very specifically talking about not being happy with the iphone 15 pro, not the 14...?!
@@orange25i yes I watched the video. iphone 14 pro and 15 pro shares same main camera sensor, ultra wide camera sensor, and 3x telephoto sensor. I mentioned iPhone 14 pro here because implicitly I wouldn’t upgrade to iphone 15 pro unless apple gave us bigger sensors for ultra wide and telephoto models
@@orange25i another implication is if people shoot proraw, they will be happy with either 14 pro or 15 pro
I am very happy with my iPhone 12 mini, love the size, the cameras play absolutely no role in my selection of iPhone brand
Thanks for sharing. I think the same and could not decide between Pro and Pro Max because of 3x sacrifice while I'd like to get bigger screen.
I do not FULLY agree regarding the 24PM storage story since the 24 MP file size is not that bigger compare to 12 MP.
So if I am still using the 13 Pro Max, there is no need to upgrade?
For what? Get a real camera. Even a late model dslr will make better pics with the right lens.
I've seen a handfull of reviews of the 15s low light photography side of things. On many instances, the pics from the 14 and Galaxy 23 look much better. I'm a android user myself and was planning to make a switch to ios with the 15 but now, I'm in doubt. Respect, for being forthcoming Tony.
I can here because I was thinking of switching to Apple from my Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra, but am shocked at how bad the iPhone is. I shoot a lot of photos on the S22 and I think a lot of them are over compressed, except when using RAW. I can’t believe people pay for cloud storage, my Galaxy links seamlessly with my Microsoft account with its free cloud storage. Almost all of my family and friends use Samsung or Pixel phones.
I really can’t understand why so many Apple professional photographer users accept that a good chunk of the screen is missing where the sensors are, it’s so amateurish and arrogant of Apple to maintain this terrible design flaw and spin it out as a feature.
@@sandyfordd1843 What free cloud from Microsoft?
@@sandyfordd1843 Nice to hear someone from the same side of the page when it comes to phones. However, in terms of cloud storage (correct me if I'm wrong) Microsoft offers only 5gb of free storage and so does Apple icloud. Google on the other hand provides 15gb of mixed storage. Honestly, I prefer icloud because they offer a free option to E2EE encryption under their advance settings. Other big name cloud storage companies don't offer E2EE partly because they use our personal data for their own data mining purposes. Also, most of the time these companies shy away from questions relating to E2EE. I mean since majority of the phones these days don't offer a sd card option so that in itself levels, the playing field. Which ever phone you buy sooner or later you will require cloud (except Sony for time being). If only the ip15 pro takes photos to my liking I would jump instantly for an iphone and their cloud service. I hope Apple can release a camera update/patch to correct the shadow areas and brightness. Right now if I compare the ip15 to a s23 or p8 pro iphone looses by miles in handling shadow areas. Anyway, these are my personal thoughts. To each his own. ✌️
You should really read up on your details before making such a video. Your claim that it's only digital crop ignores the influence of software to (modern) mobile photography. Of course there aren't any dedicated prime lenses. They wouldn't fit in there without sacrificing on sensor size for the individual lenses. Besides having the photo processing pipeline being run on the cropped part of the 48MP, Apple has apparently build dedicated machine learning algorithms to account for the different virtual focal lengths (crops) in the image processing.
Surely this also marketing and not the same as having a dedicated lens, but from a practical perspective I expect this to have an impact, especially as someone who considers the 24mm equivalent to be too wide. In the end the photos have to speak for themselves, but you didn't even wait to try it and rather go on a rant 🤷🏼♂
By the way Apple, never claimed this to be anything else than virtual focal lengths. The 7 lens phrasing is clearly figuratively. And yes also marketing. Wouldn't you market your product as best as you can? Silly complaint
For aperture, they are using it conceptually in terms of light per unit area rather than total light.
From a signal standpoint, 48 megapixels spread across a full frame sensor, means that each larger photosite will be gathering more light since they are physically larger, hence why even with the latest tech, if you look at the raw files from newer iphones, and devices like the pixel 7, the raw files have a lot of noise at their lowest ISO, and the lens lacks the ability to resolve the amount of detail to offer even 12 megapixels. Usually the lenses that show signs of resolving to that level, are often prohibitively expensive for full frame and medium format cameras (the ones that work well in the high res pixel shift mode). Sadly that level of manufacturing doesn't make its way down to the $20 smartphone camera modules.
Aperture is a dimensionless parameter. There is no total light, this is another made up marketing term.
But the problem is that most of people don’t use raw photos
Why not wait for hands on before making this video ? Taking pictures with iPhone 14 and saying this is why 15 is bad seems silly.
Totally agree with you. The biggest feature of the iP15 is USB-C which other makers are using years now plus some small tweaks. Apple presentation of the iPhone camera was a joke.
Even here apple infuriates with no fast charging
@@GreenhornPhototakerand USB 2.0 transfer speeds
@@Nickporter17at least the Pro models have 20x improved speed compared to lightning
@@Felix-md4og stop simping for apple. Look at modern android phone transfer speeds.
@@Nickporter17 Yeah I know, but I didn’t transfer data with a cable for years. So it doesn’t matter for me. The missing 120Hz on the normal iPhone 15 is the big issue that makes me buy the 15Pro.
Upgrading from an iPhone X, I was considering the pro max, even though I prefer a smaller phone. So glad I decided on the 15 pro, as it seems that for most shots, it will be a better option.
I am in the same boat with the Xs
The 15 Pro is your better choice for photography and on a financial level.
What's the equivalent aperture of the S23 Ultra? :)
Thanks for stripping away a lot of the hype. A few of the things you are highlighting don't turn out to be objectively true. The 24mp images don't take more space, let alone twice as much space for storage. Many other photographers do feel the 24mp images are better than the previous 12mp ones. You're right about the 48mp gimmick. You're sort of right about the cropping vs different lenses. But it is helpful to have a quick way to change the POV of the image and that these changes refer somewhat to real world lens sizes. Computational photography will always be different but different isn't always worse. Subjectivity is involved.
Honestly….. having that 5x is really nice. As a 14 pro user, I always wish I had a little more zoom and the 5x is perfect for me in how I shoot. I do wide, macro, ultra wide and now a 5x zoom! Personally, I think it’s great. I never shoot 2-4x. Also, the better aperture is nice :). This is just me, but I completely understand what you’re saying. I laughed when Apple said “it’s like having 7 lenses!” LOL. The marketing is insane…
Yeah. I''m upgrading from a 13 pro to the 15 pro max. I'm often shooting pics from my plane and the 3x just isn't enough. I get what he's saying but for me the 5x will be great. I can work around the lack of intermediate focal lengths.
First of all, Apple did say "...like having 7 lenses.." they never said it's actually seven lenses, so I don't understand why Tony is so upset. Secondly, having 7 different focal length is very convenient and this time with a press of a button on screen you can chose any of them! Thirdly, Tony made a mistake, a rather big one, there's no 12Mp sensor that will be cropped, but there's 48Mp slightly bigger sensor that is going to be sensor cropped. So his file size calculations are roughly 4 times smaller than it's actually going to be. In any case, you can go from 13mm to 24mm, 28mm, 35mm, 48mm and 120mm and all of these will have at least 12Mp, while at 24mm you will have 48Mp. Consider it as a 3 lens setup: 13mm wide, 24-48mm main lens, and 120mm tele. What not to like? As a bonus lenses now get antireflective nano coating, and Apple wizardry when making stacked photos that combines 48Mp details with 12Mp low light binning into 24Mp output file for 24mm main lens. Plus cinematic mode is now improved to all lenses. Log file available also. Of course Tony "forgot" to mention all this haha.
Did you make this video without actually owning an iPhone 15 pro max ?Why all the spittle ??
Ohhhh good point on the upscale and extra storage taken 😢
1) Macro: 12 mpix image (Ultra-wide lens, full 12 mpix sensor with 2 cm autofocus)
2) 13 mm: 12 mpix image (Ultra-wide lens, full 12 mpix sensor)
3) 24 mm: 12/24 mpix image (Normal lens, full 48 mpix sensor with binning)
4) 28 mm: 12/24 mpix image (Normal lens, cropped 48 mpix sensor with some binning)
5) 35 mm: 12/24 mpix image (Normal lens, cropped 48 mpix sensor with some binning)
6) 48 mm: 12 mpix image (Normal lens, cropped 48 mpix sensor, no binning)
7) 120 mm: 12 mpix image (Tele lens, full 12 mpix sensor)
All images are at least true 12 mpix images.
That is why I've chosen Xperia 1 V this year. This is literately first smartphone which is taking pictures which are comparable with mirrorless camera without this crazy over sharpening, destroying shadows and making day from night.
That is what I worry about. The over sharpening. Looks fake. I am from the “film” days of photography. I like the creamy quality of film,.. not the fake stuff
@@tarapaul8212 same in my case, that is why I tried Xperia. With this new chip and after first software update this phone is really great. What I also noticed with my previous 14 pro, was really aggressive HDR which often destroyed picture.
I don’t get it at all, who in hell is buying iPhones for their cameras, specially among people on this forum 😮😢
Thanks so much Tony for the through and clear explanations. Sadly, it confirms what I had already expected. Wouldn't it be nice to expect that for $1600 one could get a smart phone from Apple that provided camera lenses fitting to that price point... and actually get it?
Wait. Main camera is 48 mega pixel. So crops should be 12MP+ which is okay...
They never said 7 lenses. By looking at it you see 3 lenses. How is that misleading? Common sense should tell you those other images are cropped.
Agree on your concern about 24MP and space. Apple needs to make the phone software capable of dialing images back to 12MP by default if you choose.
There is an option in the start but I keep it on as it is just a mb more
@@abearah9255 yeah it's not the double & the 15 actually has a 48MP camera, not 12MP like 14
Think about it, I’d they don’t boost it or mention it, they didn’t do it. If the sensor actually was bigger or better they would say it. Now it’s all about computational photography.
The bottom line to me is that cell phones are not really good cameras. They are convenient, that’s all. At a MLB HOF induction, I used a Samsung to record video until it was too hot to hold. Then I used an iPhone to record video and it shut down when it became hot.
Tony I love your content but you fundamentally misunderstand what Apple has done with the camera system on the iPhone 15 Pro and how the digital crop works. You really need to publish a retraction video and provide the factual information. The 24 MM focal length shoots by default at 24 MP, not 12... but SO DO THE 28 MM AND 35 MM! How? Because they combine a 48 MP detail image into the multiple shot pipeline that the camera uses to create the 24 MP end result. The main camera behaves VERY differently from the same 48 MP camera on last year's 14 Pro that defaulted down to 12 MP jpegs and created the low megapixel totals you posted in this video but the 15 Pro leverages the much more powerful CPU/GPU in the form of the A17 Pro to do something far, far better.
Isn't the main 24mm camera 48MP? This would then make the 48mm "lens" crop to 12MP?
It's because phone manufacturers are working with telecommunication companies to find a way to buy or use more data or upgrade your data / wifi plans. The bigger the files the more services you are using. They get money from carriers!
Well, your theory got proved wrong with the first REAL reviews of the 15pro models. Apple doesn't just make a digital crop for the 28mm, 35mm and 48mm FL. They use their new photogenic engine, Deep Fusion and their algorithms to process a 24mp image that has more detail than just a digital crop done in post processing. Yes, the reviewers say that there is a bit of a trade off in IQ, the more you get to the longer FL until the real 120mm kicks in. So the smaller 15pro does better images in this range than the pro max. But the difference doesn't seem as big as you suggest. Much better than just a digital crop done in post processing.
I had no idea the apertures on the 15 Pro Max were so incredibly low. Which iPhone has the lowest apertures but still resolution that I can use to print an 8x10 or 11x14? I also am stuck with Apple bc of all the features my friends and family use (shared albums, etc.), so I can't move to Samsung. 😞
Please review Xiaomi 14 Ultra with the new Sony LYT-900 1-inch large sensor! And it's got four 50Mpix sensors (optical lenses).
These inflammatory knee-jerk response videos only serve to mislead consumers. By your own admission, you didn’t have the phone when you filmed this and somehow immediately agree with yourself that the 14 Pro you have is better without doing any research. Multiple other professional photographers on RUclips have correctly covered exactly what Apple is doing here - because they did their research before just guns blazing hit record - with the 15 Pro and it’s very clear. I’m just happy so many people are calling you out in the comments because I expected it to all be blind support.
Thanks for this information. I was already to purchase the 15 pro max until I read this. I bought the 15 pro instead. (Upgrade from SE2)
I understand all the “zooms” in-between are just crops. But I’m wondering if Apple applys any AI magic to these crops that make them better than a simple crop I’d make afterwards? (Haven’t got it yet to test)
How is it even possible to legally say they are including “7 lenses” when they are actually offering 7 different “focal lengths” by way of technical trickery? Is this even allowed?
I'm surprised they went with 5x optical zoom as well. It will be super awkward to use for portrait pictures. Sony, with their Xperia III-V and continuous optical zoom between 85mm f/2.3 (3.5x) and 125mm f/2.8 (5.2x) over the main camera, would make so much more sense.
It's not an optical _zoom_. It's a fixed focus telephoto. That's the whole reason the image quality drops so much as you digital zoom from 1x to just before 5x.
Thank you for the info. I’m happy w my iPhone 11 Pro Max, but was considering the 15 Pro. Not so much anymore. 😅
Pro has regular 3x lense, only pro max has 5x instead of 3x
Same. I compared the camera on last year’s 14 Pro Max to my existing 11 Pro Max and promptly sent the 14 Pro Max back to Apple. It really is a shame.
Dude my 11 pro max took better pics than my 14 pro max. My bro still has his 11 pro max and same thing still better pics especially in daylight. Not upgrading to the 15 pro max; not making the same mistake again. The differences are minuscule to me idc how Apple words it.
Thanks for this. I was contemplating the 15, but will hold out for another year to see what the 16 fixes.
I’ve been waiting since the 11 Pro Max!
Probably not much. i have a iPhone 7 which I brought new. I will be upgrading to the 15 as it is extremely different and better than my current phone. If unlike me you've upgraded your phone within the last 5 years or want something better, then iPhone is probably not the best choice. The 16 will not be that different to the 15
48mp lens actually shooting in 24mp . Don’t know where you got 12 from for the main camera
In your effort to battle misinformation you introduce some of your own, such as calling the 48mm crop a 3MP image when it's real 12MP, acting like Apple promised optical zoom all the way through to 5x etc. The amount of stuff you've made up in this video is crazy.
Especially not mentioning computational photography, with all smart things that make me leaving my big camera at home more and more often
Well, saying that the iPhone has a 5x optical zoom is really funny. If you know better, you'll see that the nonsense you wrote is your own
You're a Apple d Rider 😂
@@andriyurenov7215 you afraid to carry 2 pounds with you?
@@Davesaintgold That is how every smartphone maker markets these, no consumer actually thinks that the zoom is continuous. He obviously is completely ignorant of the smartphone world and only knows phones through his iPhone and the Apple events.
i noticed the 5x zoom is just cropped because there is no background compression
I’ve seen comparisons already from iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro photos, the 15 is definitely better. This channel has done these outlandish takes so many times now.
His main beef regarding quality was with the Pro Max, not the Pro. At 120mm the 15 will be better quality because it's using the new "120mm f/2.8" lens. At 119mm the 15 will be much worse because it's cropping from a much wider angle lens than the 14.
I was seriously thinking about upgrading to the iPhone 15 Pro Max to replace my 13 Pro Max. I thought the USB-C would be nice for transfer speed and the new “48 mp camera” seemed like a great upgrade. Until you ruined it all for me. And I am so glad you did. It isn’t something I NEED, so I will be waiting until Apple starts acting like the Old Apple again and see what they come up with that isn’t just smoke and mirrors. (heavy on the mirrors). Thanks so much, Tony.
most of what Tony is saying is utter nonsense. the focal length crops on the 15 will come from the 48 megapixel image not the 12mp he is assuming
7:00 what a mind blowing realization! thanks
Totally misleading video! Tony Northrup fails to acknowledge that the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max main camera system has been upgraded and now creates 24-megapixel images natively. His samples are from an iPhone 14 Pro Max, which saves 12-megapixel images from the main camera. His “analysis” would be more fair if he was actually using an iPhone 15 Pro Max instead of just trying to simulate one. Tony’s side-by-side images are using a crop off a 12-megapixel image, and that is dishonest.
Tony didn’t you do a similar video last year when the 14 came out?
Seems you’re the only one I’ve run across that thinks the 15 is a “pack of lies”…
I’m thinking you’re looking way to deeply into this for your own good as every other reviewer is not nearly so concerned.
I understand the Pro Max camera issue, but is the 15 Pro just as bad compared to previous releases?
Will you upgrade to iPhone 16 pro I with you think 48mp 12mp I don’t think most people really no difference since several past iPhones think image quality not very differential in quality think been fooling us day one thanks for the video
I think for everyone that has a knowledge about photography will realize that neither an S23U nor a iPhone can match a Canon/Nikon Fulframe camera. Not even my beloved OM-1 with my 40-150/F2.8. Even to advertise a 200mpix sensor is kind of BS, since its not even comparable to a FF 200mpix sensor if it would exist. I agree with you the general crowd will follow the bait, no matter if it is Samsung, Apple or Sony advertising it ... I call it crowd control. By adding buzz words paired with unrealistic specs, they want to increase the profit.
this is simply not correct. An Apple rep proved everything you are saying as wrong when talking with MKBHD before their podcast. it's not just cropping, it's using the 48MP sensor to create a higher res 24MP image of the different focal lengths. Simply cropping would not increase the MP
You're still cropping, though. You're still losing detail and getting more noise. Plus, it's literally impossible to get a 24mp image from a 2x crop of a 48mp sensor.
Stop falling for Apple's nonsense.
@@TechnoBabble do you bozos even listen or pay attention to anything? Up until now iPhone photos have been 12MP. Now the 48MP sensor is being used to generate 24MP photos at the different focal lengths. You're still getting a 24MP image at all of the focal lengths which is double what it's been up until this point. So sure, it's technically "cropping", but the entire premise of this video is wrong
Thanks for calling out apple’s marketing BS. Film photography had it right 50 years ago with Olympus OM1. All mechanical. No battery required. The glass from that camera is still great after all these years and works on digital camera bodies like Sony A7iv.
6:41 Apple never really innovated on the iPhone. They would simply buy another innovative company & polish their innovations to fit Apple's plan. Their biggest innovation was the ecosystem, which technically was a polish Blackberry's BBM & Enterprise servers.
Biggest problem is still oversharpened and over micro contrast photos.
You have a wrong understanding on equivalent aperture concept! That F21 equivalent aperture only refers to the background blur, Not the actual exposure. That means if you are using F2.8 aperture on iPhone, you also use the same F2.8 aperture for the correct exposure!
Tony, I’ve always loved and respected you as a photographer and I love your podcast but I’m confused on what this complaining is about. I mean if iPhone 15 is bad then why not stay with 14? Or why not take a step back to 13? It just seems like, the complaints are, kind of useless especially when you have all these insanely fancy Sony, Canon, this and that camera and your complaining about a smart phone. Who’s photography is really designed for the average casual person who just wants a photo of their five-year-old, jumping off of some thing. Nobody takes a serious photo with and phone, so why would somebody complain about stuff that the average person doesn’t even care about? Specially you professional photographer complaining about a non-professional tool. That would be like a race car driver complaining that a family sedan is not handling. Turns as well. Well, it’s a family sedan not a professional race car. So what if Apple advertises something that it’s not. Who cares. Every company advertises something that they’re not.
They said the iphone 15 pro max will have a new 48mp sensor compared to 14 pro max! What’s your view on this? Can you confirm once you get the new iphone?
This sums Apple up for me. They're probably the best company in the world at marketing their products. But scratch beneath the surface and you realise there products don't live up to the hype
To be fair, Most people that buy iphones, "buy it" cause its apple... its a status symbol to some people. So regardless of apple's iterative increments on the iPhone, they will still make huge sales and have a loyal fan base...
Give it to them, their marketing is next level!
status symbol? More like girls who can't manage tech
What? Are you like 12 years old or something? Phone is not a status symbol.
I was waiting for your video on this after your video on the 14 pro. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Apple marketing at it's finest. At what point do we apple fans say enough is enough. Honestly this is the first year I will probably not upgrade. If Samsung could fix the shutter lag, its game over.
F/2.8 is f/2.8, no matter what the focal length of a lens. So Tony’s off base again. And for those not into photography who may not realize that the focal lengths listed on an iPhone are equivalencies for full frame digital cameras, so what? And for those photographers in the know who realize the focal lengths are equivalents, so what?
Great explanation about the “120mm” lens. I much prefer the 77mm distance on a phone for zoom. I didn’t take into account that the 3x zoom will be much worse now on the 15 pro max.
It won't be. The NPU processing is a lot better now.
@@gigamoment I don't want some horribly processed image. Just give me some REAL data that I can manipulate. The S23 Ultra is the best of both worlds: a true 3x AND a true 10x. Nothing will switch me back to iPhone after having experienced full RAW support (photos AND videos) on all 4 rear cameras + the selfie camera.
@@vivek_v Man what are you talking about? Do you know that iPhone has RAW support for all the cameras including videos? And not only that, but the ProRAW it has is the best RAW in smartphones, period. Try find a 48MP ProRAW (DNG) from iPhone 14 Pro and check for your self. You will be amazed by the quality, S23U is not even close, and I am telling you this as a Galaxy user.
Thank you for your honest review.
I have question,
Did you try to connect a video capture card ?
Its working as camera monitor ? Like the Sony xperia 1v
Thank you
I am a long time Android user and actually iPhone 15 Pro is the first time iPhone seems attractive enough for me to switch. So I was quite surprised that you find this generation of iPhone so much terrible. :)
So a few opinions to the points you made (I have not yet tested the phone in real life):
1) 7 lenses - yes this is definitely a marketing trash talk. Other companies do some trash talk too. So I do not care too much. I know there are only 3 real lenses. I know that the in-between "lenses" are just cropped and upscaled images. It does not worry me as far as the cropping is not too severe and the images look good.
2) 120 mm is useless and makes anything below this zoom a garbage, I completely agree with you. Fortunately I prefer smaller screens (and phones which I can operate with just one hand and that fit into my pocket) so my obvious choice will be 15 Pro (not Max) which has much more useful 3x optical zoom.
3) Quad-pixels probably have no meaning if you do not crop and upscale. But if you do, then quad-pixel can definitely result (at least in theory) in better images. And regarding iCloud, I probably will be using it only as a temporary storage so not a big issue for me. The limited storage will force me to filter and process the images immediately instead of piling them up and never getting back to them...
4) Yeah, I know the calculations are not correct. But it is not a big problem for me as long as the images are usable. I remain pragmatic in this case.
5) I am now not in Apple ecosystem and I do not plan using it too much except for the iPhone.
So lets see how it goes with the iPhone, I am now waiting till they arrive to EU. Meanwhile I am using Sony Xperia 1 V which is a kind of strange instrument. It has wonderful main camera producing naturally looking images but the rest of the phone is just so annoying to me (and its zoom is garbage).
Even though it's just a crop it still looks really really good. It uses the 48mp 1x main lense to crop into, and it will look really good. We have to wait till we get the phone in our hands to see how bad it is. Yes the 3x 77mm would have been nice to have also. But I mostly use 1x and 2x anyways I think, and then it will be nice with the longer 5x 120mm zoom.
Telephoto aside, is the camera on the iPhone 15 Pro significantly better than the iPhone 15?
I’m gonna wait for a pro max till they put a dynamic servo zoom on it that allows 3x to 10x or maybe even 100x
I hope this video gets millions of views. I'm tired of being mislead/screwed by big companies!!!
You’re writing “iPhone 15 Pro Max Results” in the side-by-side comparisons. Can you confirm these photos are indeed from a 15 Pro Max? If so I’m surprised there isn’t an embargo stopping these from being shown prior to release day like usual.
Giving Apple a hard time but this is pretty much standard across all phone brands (as far as the terminology re aperture, etc..)
Apple pushes this hard though
Yeah, no.
@@GreenhornPhototaker not really. Hour and a half presentation and it was barely mentioned. Every phone manufacturer has been overhyping their cameras these days, because they know its a good incentive to get people to upgrade. And any metric has always been to compare to previous generations and not to actual cameras.
@@hautehusseyNone of the major manufacturers ever advertised different focal lengths as lenses unlike Apple. Stop being iSheep and don't generalize it.
@@srsgonu no, they just have “a hyper detailed new 100x zoom!” Or “set up your phone like a mobile studio, complete with 30x Space Zoom.13 So you can shoot, reshoot, zoom and edit with a whole new level of creative freedom.”
Thank you so much for this review. For now I'm sticking with my 13 pro. Let's hope Apple takes note and does better on the next model.
I’m not getting rid of my 13 pro max either. 95% of what the 15 pro brings to the table in real life scenarios
The 14 pro in raw mode is insanely good. Huge step from 13 pro! Made me sell my Canon R6.
They will continue to drip feed the more physical/ costly improvements. Their focus will be on the computational software and operating systems, which DOES actually improve picture quality and user experience. Wait for real life user reviews before judging, but be careful that some of the reviewers/ influencers know little about photography and are given financial incentives to give positive reviews.
So the 2x camera function is cropping also?
yes, but not a ton.
Did they even change anything?! It seems like they renamed the 14 "15" and added a couple colors
Although Tony spoke mainly about stills, I found this video super informative. I have an iPhone 13 mini and was thinking about getting the 15 Pro. One drawback was the idea of shooting video in ProRes but couldn't understand the value in huge files. Sure, you can create beautiful video with ProRes but how many people are going to see the results (on RUclips or company websites)?
What about the regular 15 model is it better than the pro max ?
Thanks, Tony, for the insight. I almost ordered the 15 PM and now so glad I didn’t. I’m like you in that my family and friends all have iPhones. Getting an Android now would be a hassle. I’ll just keep my current iPhone until it quits.
I need to buy a new iPhone do you recommend 14 Pro or 14?
Wow how misinformed this was 👀
You should make a pinned correction to the comments or reshoot the video
WAIT! Check this out, get your 15 Pro Max out. Cover the main camera lens, the lower lens, with your finger and set to 1x. Obviously the camera is blocked. Now, switch to 5x...still blocked! The supposed 120mm is the same lens?? I thought the 120 was the center lens, but on my 15 Pro Max it seems to be just a crop of the main 1x lens?? Has anyone else noticed this? The center lens does nothing on my phone except in slomo and timelapse modes.
Do you have a physical iPhone 15 Pro Max? I’m waiting for to see your conclusion with a real one!
I almost bought this phone, but then I had huge speculation around the cameras - guess I was right. Ended up with XPERIA 1V
edit: my brain died, i accidentally put s23 ultra
Yikes.
Great vid. Thanks Tony (not trying for tough love here, but I think you could bump up your audio volume (do you use the broadcast standard gain conventions?) and actually, I'd like you eq'd a little. I hear your actual voice being a little brighter in this recording. Nothing wrong with the signal strength.) Going to the content, You have single-handedly convinced me not to switch to an iPhone. I desperately want to get away from the BS that is Google's new privacy thrashing policy - entitling them to basically anything on your phone (as previously) and also anything on your computer - for training their AI kids, you understand. I'm sticking with my Galaxy s22 ultra with a nice 10x zoom and a 108 mpixel wide angle camera. I still haven't exhausted all the great things that I can do with that camera. (I bought a Nikon Z9 and a handful of choice lenses, but I'm still happy to have my phone with me to snap photos.
This video shows that this guy has shallow knowledge about current tech. too bad.. For the zoom lens, if u want to have a lossless quality zoom, u only can pick it 1x, 2x or 5x for the Pro max models... of course the quality is bad on 2.1x - 4.9x.. its the same as Samsuns S23U, the quality will be bad it 3.1x - 9.9x.. This show that u are better not to review tech or otherwise, u make a fool of yourself... And for the last reason, its completely absurd, why is it apple's fault that your android cant use facetime, airdrop?? ever hear about the word of ecosystem?? and why dont u just asked all of your family members to switch to androids? they might have their own reason why they choose apple for their daily driver. and somehow its apple's fault.. lol
Thanks for this video. I’m on an old phone and am trying to decide what phone to upgrade to.
Not a photographer, but I do take a lot of pictures for work documentation. I upgraded to the iPhone 15 Pro Max and have noticed that it doesn’t measure up to the hype.
I wish I wasn’t so integrated into the apple ecosystem, because the S23 photos look amazing.
What a disappointment to have spent almost $2k on an iPhone that is mediocre in one of the ways that matters to me.