I'm a complete amateur. I have an iPhone 14 Pro and it does some amazing things. I can take pictures at night, basically, and have more than usable images (which almost always means some sort of thing that happened that I'm trying to document). I've done some legitimately good arty photography in 48mp RAW mode. I also have a Lumix G95D and the two kit lenses (12-60 and 45-150) and taking pictures with the camera is completely different. It feels good using a camera to take pictures. The iPhone is just... it's just not fun to use.
As a phone enthusiast I can see where the phone is good, for 1 phone heif is like hlg then delivered in dolby vision, dynamic range is going to favor the phone a lot of the time, tone mapping on the phone is just stronger than a few stops of raw dynamic range, heif on the phone that is. I am not even bothered by digital zoom on the phone, it's watercolor but if it is presentable I will post it, just edit it down, make it more cinematic tone, I use all the stock tools, -1/3ev on the camera app, then drop exposure more in post, put a bit of vivid warm. Phone photos are alright, when you introduce more shadows. Now coming to the lumix, try a powerhouse lens, cheap 45f1.7 is an absolute must for that system, 25f1.2 is silly beautiful, and the grand daddy of m43 75mmf1.8. Those will really spark a fire in pursuit of photography. m43 is a pretty small system, even a gf10 paired to a small 45f1.7 or 20mm f1.7 will make some incredible photos. Technically won't be as high dynamic range as phones but still very beautiful even with jpegs natural.
If you have a sense of which focal length you use to create your favorite images, you can get an MFT prime near that, either from Panasonic or Olympus. That will take your results up another level.
To me the biggest issue with these comparisons is that the RUclipsrs take pictures in perfect lighting conditions where any camera does well. As a dad, my conditions for family photography are usually less than ideal indoors in low light. This is where the phone computational photography falls apart as even slightest movement of the subject prevents the phones ability to compose an HDR photo and the subject becomes extremely grainy and blurry. An ILC only takes one exposure with a shorter shutter speed that can freeze slight movement and the ISO performance kills phones in those situations. Adding a flash puts the last nail in the phone's coffin but in perfect sunny day conditions, I'd not take my mirrorless camera with me very easily.
If you want to double the quality of your low light smartphone photos, put it on a mini tripod, and use a warm LED light such as a LumeCube. I don't like all the distractions that come along with getting my smartphone out, and I still appreciate the INTENTION and experience of taking a camera along to capture memories. ;)
DSLRs aren't for family pictures either. I will enjoy my set of 18 Nikon lenses until the shutters of my bodies are dead, but then I'll make my life easy and buy the iPhone 22.
Thank you for showing the difference between a real camera and the iPhone in lowlight. Most reviewers cripple the DSLR with cheap glass then go shoot during midday in pristine sunlight. Any camera would look good during that time. I think the future of DSLR's is incorporating smartphone features directly into the camera. Built in SSD's, network connectivity, app stores, etc.
I am thinking it other way round. I believe cameras should focus on doing image capture and maybe light compression, and transfer to smartphone or any processing unit (like external recorder) for further processing and storage.
@@medicalwei These are good points, and for what it’s worth, I already transfer a fair number of photos to my phone and process them there (I enjoy doing this in the evening because I want to relax in our living area and not stare at a big computer screen). So as a workflow option, it’s good. But I suspect that as smartphone tech gets better and better , camera manufacturers will have little choice but to add inbuilt editing functionality. We’ll see what happens. But I imagine even now camera companies must be having intense r and d meetings over how to develop next.
It feels to me as if even the big camera companies simply haven't got the budget to invest in their products. I wonder what Apple expenditure on the camera aspects of their phones is in comparison.
It’s pretty astounding how good phones are today, especially wide angle. I generally use my 16mm lens for astrophotography now and use the iPhone for anything unless I am doing nature photography with a telephoto zoom
If you're going to do very graphical deep depth of field work in ideal light, a phone is a great choice. It just falls apart when you need versatility or if natural things can quickly look uncanny with too much pre-processing. I would use a phone for abstract architectural black and white, where it's all about vague expressive shape and lines for example. Those types of image can hide the technical flaws of the format like crunchy digital sharpening, over-clocked gain noise, colour banding, awkward HDR, and fauxkeh.
A pro camera is always better, except when you don't have it with you. On the other hand, the phone can be good enough for some purposes and it's always in your pocket.
For me the biggest difference is still real bokeh vs fake bokeh. The fake bokeh is getting better, but it still has a lot of errors on fine details around subjects. That said, I found it remarkable just how similar a lot of these shots are. It's comparing a big expensive professional camera to a CELL PHONE, and in some of the shots I would've struggled to tell which is which without a label. Obviously upon closer inspection you can tell the difference, but that they even have a passing similarity is amazing.
Thank you! You helped me make the decision whether to take my new iPhone 15 Pro or my mirrorless Nikon X61. It's a family vacation with children and I just want to be able to capture photos on the fly...so the iPhone is the winner.
Chris, I really appreciate this review. I viewed your other reviews related to this subject, and became convinced that giving up my mirrorless Sony cameras was the right move. Losing telephoto capabilities was the biggest issue. My other issue is that I use DXO POST- processing of raw photos. DXO does not process the HEIC images from an iPhone. I keep nagging them to add it. But no luck so far. Thanks Again!
I'm planning on taking my R6-II and 24-70 2.8 to Europe soon, even though I have capable phone (S23 ultra). This is an important family trip and I'll use my phone for a lot, and although the phone is easier and more convenient, my Canon takes superior pictures.
Thanks for your excellent review. Basically the iphone does in camera photoshop - which means less creative choice. The main advantage of the iphone is convenience, i.e. it's usually in your pocket and no processing or picture style choices are required. It's certainly possible to take great pictures and vidoes with the iPhone.
I have an a6700. If you're applying some of the same image processing techniques as the iPhone, such as high quality denoising, and motion compensating deblurring, the a6700 beats the iPhone quite easily. If you have a mostly static scene and do a burst shot on the a6700, you can also use the multi-shot compositing technique to further boost quality. The main problem for me is the cost of buying the additional software to do all of this post processing.
but then you need to add some lenses which are not free. used a6100 would allow some budget for lenses (like the sigma 18-50mm f/2.8, very well respected general purpose aps-c lens)
One of the upsides of the smartphone is for field reporting. Sure a mirrorless or even an older DSLR can out perform the photographic power of that phone but the ability to directly upload the images and video is not something to be overlooked. I just wish the apps camera manufacturers made were better than they are. Sony, I'm looking at you needing a wifi router (not ad-hoc like with pentax's app for example).
I use the Sony transfer and tagging app all the time it works well with the A9, A7IV and A7RV. It does disconnect some times and has to be reset if I view what has been transferred in gallery, but I think that is todo with the phone as it never used to happen but security updates often seem to affect apps. Sure the app could be improved and I need to try the new creators app which maybe better 😊
I think it's a fair comparison, with one exception: you mentioned several times that the Z8 is much pricier than the iPhone. But you could draw exactly the same comparison with basically every other full frame mirrorless camera on the market, a lot of which are actually cheaper than the 15 Pro Max. You pay a premium for a Z8 vs let's say a Z7 or even a Z5, but the advantages you have over those models were not at all touched on the video.
I have a MFT system and comparing my Pixel 6 edited raws with my E-M5 III, I actually find the phone results quite good, and sometimes the phone is able to produce sharper results. It tends to be a little grainy but that's expected with a smaller sensor. Comparing against a 45mp full frame is pretty unfair, but seeing an iphone against MFT or APS-C where you're downsampling from 48mp to 20/24/26 would be interesting. The iphone colours always look bad to me though.
The APSC and MFT still outperform phones by a mile. Just compare the sensor size, the iPhone 15 Pro's main camera has a crop factor of 3.5, the Ultrawide has a crop factor of almost 6. Do not get fooled by the AI sharpening, there's more to image quality than sharp pictures.
Would be great if you incorporate Portrait Photography into your comparisons. It's quite limiting to only show and compare mostly landscape photography with it.
100% This is one thing I am missing thus far: maybe it's not the sensor and the processor that matter, but the lens. It's hard to believe a little pea lens could have the detail and lack of distortion that portrait lenses have.
The 1" compact has better physical usability which translates to shots you would other wise maybe miss. You can save custom modes for reliable speed shooting, you have a solid range of optical zoom, you can use the flip screen for low angle shots or selfies while using the best lens on the system, you can decentralise your photography from your phone so you don't rely on a phone battery to do everything - allowing you better power management options on long trips.
The delta between the iPhone and these expensive bodies and glass are getting so narrow, that I find it hard to justify the price of buying a mirrorless setup. I realize for certain situations, a camera will be the best choice. But those use cases are becoming fewer and fewer.
Ideally rather than a Full Frame comparison, how about a Ricoh GR or Fuji X100 comparison.. It feels like this is the real place a mobile phone can compete. Any chance of a video on this? Im sure street shooters would appreciate it and it would be fantastic to see how the iphone fairs in different lighting conditions with these two mega popular cameras
Interesting comparison, would interesting to repeat with some of the compact cameras out there like Sony cyber shot RX100VII and Canon Powershot G5 X mk II - close’ish in terms of portability, fewer megapixels but from a bigger sensor and a proper lens, have the high end phones killed this market or do the still have a raison d’étre?
I have Sony RX100-7, and the image from this camera is way better than any phone camera because the sensor in the RX100 is 4X the area of the sensor in the phone; no matter how they tweak the photo with software, the bigger sensor will always be better. Eeven on compact cameras that is 5 years old, it will beat out the current phone cams.
I don't think anyone expected the iPhone to compete head-on with the Z8. The fact that it's even a serious discussion for professionals is a huge credit to the iPhone. Also, that 120mm focal length on the iPhone is pretty exciting. Still waiting for a phone that can capture wildlife with an 800mm focal length while fitting in my pocket!
the one thing I can say as feedback, the iPhone has Live Photo mode where it recorded a bit before and after and it chooses what it believes is the best photo but you can change it. so you can select the best "action shot". i haven't checked the image quality though when you do that.
I see this in a different way. While iPhones etc. doing the computational thing internally, I get these possibilities in a way higher quality in Lightroom etc. Smartphone images are like a frozen pizza, it’s convenient and fast, but it doesn’t taste like a real pizza.
@@Benjamin_Jehne I understand where you’re coming from, but think of it this way: Traditional cameras are like making pizza from scratch at home. It’s time-consuming, requires more tools, and has a learning curve. While smartphones are like ordering from your favourite pizzeria - quick, efficient, and often just as satisfying for many occasions. It’s all about what suits the moment best.
@@madm4tty In that analogy, ordering Pizza from a Pizzeria would be like hiring a professional photographer to do it for you, the frozen pizza analogy still works for me for a phone.
@@dkcrogue Fair point. Let's tweak the analogy then. Traditional cameras are like brewing your coffee with a French press - it gives more control, often a richer taste, and is for those who value the process. Smartphone cameras are like using a pod coffee machine - quicker, convenient, and still delivers a good cup for most. It doesn't mean one is inherently better, just different methods for different moments.
@@madm4tty Yes, and if I want a quick, tasteless pizza or a random snapshot, I'll take the garbage tool. If I want to enjoy a good meal or create a good image, I'll go with the quality option. The phone is not a camera, it's a computer with some imaging capabilities.
I brought my iPhone 15pro, Ricoh GR3, and Canon 5Dii recently to a trip to Japan. I took a ton of photos with my iPhone & GR3, but hardly used my DSLR. It was nice having photos from my iPhone, but I’m sure glad I shot with my GR3. Real cameras still kick the crap out of smart phones.
With a 'regular camera' you can change the lens (and therefore its focal length). But with a cell phone you are stuck with the FL of the lens (usually slightly wide angle) that is built into the phone.
I take my camera when I want do take live music or event photography. The phone is for fun walking around. I remember going into Boston for a day trip and deciding against actually taking my SLR out of the carry bag.
I greatly enjoyed the video! I think that for a professional photographer, no, a camera phone cannot replace professional photography equipment. It’s not even close. However, for the average person Who just wants to take snapshots of their kids and family trips, your camera phone is probably the best option. As mentioned in the video, the photographs will come out much more polished than they would from a mirror less or DSLR camera. Most people do not want to spend hours editing photos at the computer. In addition, most people always keep the phone with them whereas bulky equipment will likely be left at home. And the quality will be far good enough for social media and smaller prints, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, 8 x 10. In my personal opinion there is really no reason to purchase a mid range camera anymore. Your camera phone should cover all of those situation‘s.
No comparison at all between a proper camera and mobile phone with regard to photos but videos I think the phone has past the camera interms of flexibility with very acceptable quality
I just shot my new A7cii with 28-60 kit lens vs my iPhone 13 Pro indoors and outdoors and honestly I did not see any difference when both were in full Auto which is what I leave my camera on to make it easier for my kids to grab the camera and shoot. However when I capped ISO indoors to 1600, and added a flash the camera became better. We only look at pics on a 27 inch 1440 screen or send on whatsapp so the camera and iphone images feel the same so far.
I think both are useful, if you can have the camera with you everywhere, sure, I'll prefer the mirrorless camera, but not all the time you have you camera with you everywhere you are, and the phone is with me all the time, so learning how to use the iPhone and avoid its limitations would be a preferred way. I would say not chasing one over another, but using both at the appropriate time. There is no point comparing the photo qualities or other features, there is no comparison. We can't break the rule of science
Any high end smartphone advantage: good enough quality, good colors, built in hdr, quick, easy, limited editing needed, no need to transfer and edit after, major time saver, send or post immediately. Amd you always have ot with you. High end cam advantage: more control over shooting speed/aperture and settings, faster shutters, faster to change settings real time, natural bokeh, higher quality RAW, lenses to make it easier to shoot specific things (sports, animals, astrophotography, flash sync, full photoshoots, etc) For 90% of people, a smartphone is truly more than enough nowadays.
Are title descriptions swapped on 8:17 ? The image on the right (Nikon) has muddier detail on Chris' face and shirt and looks iPhone-y. I have to say, the skin tone rendering in Resolve when color managed is pretty good for iPhone Log. Great video as always guys!
Surprising omission of THREE THINGS: 1) the pinhead size of 45 tiny pixels on a tiny phone sensor does not achieve what 45 MP’s do on a much much larger camera sensor; 2) regarding #1 above, try blowing up phone photos into large prints (yeah yeah, who prints anymore, I know) and see the BIG difference in image quality 3) No mention of how “zoomed” focal lengths on phones are not truly optical, but do pixels-stretching (thus detail diminishing) to achieve the results.
One issue is many ILC and phone comparisons often involves people using heavily scaled down images, thus all you can compare is the tonality of an image but you can't really compare detail levels, artifacting, or any other issues that heavily impacts the usability of an image.
There is a dude who made comparison videos between multiple iphone generations and i think a lumix gf2. I think up to ip 11 or 13. The old Lumix was better every time. Also these videos most of the time use processed raws, what 99.9% of the iphone users will never see. It would be more informative to see "soop" pics from the iphone. I'm not sure even people interested in photography would want to play with phone pictures while the first reason anyone uses a phone to take pictures is convenience.
To me the biggest issue is taking the pictures in perfect lighting conditions where any camera does well. As a dad, my conditions for family photography are usually less than ideal indoors in low light. This is where the phone computational photography falls apart as even slightest movement of the subject prevents the phones ability to compose an HDR photo and the subject becomes extremely grainy and blurry. An ILC only takes one exposure with a shorter shutter speed but the ISO performance kills phones in those situations.
Was this shot in the Black Hills of South Dakota? The tree coverage on the hills and the buggy you were in made me think it was the Black Hills. I was just there visiting family and someone rents tons of those you can see them though out Deadwood, Spearfish Canyon and further up the hills by the closed mines.
The biggest advantage of the phone is the ease of use. The biggest advantage of the camera is the ability to change the lenses and create drastically different look. And the price difference is not that big, because a pro camera or a good quality lens work fine for a decade or more. That's like 3 or 4 phones.
Ease of use is why I don't use a phone. It's just to fiddly to me. I had to invest in a Ricoh GR III just to get a pocket 28mm eq. snap camera. I like having confidence that the settings are right, and I can just turn it on and shoot, no focus tapping and locking, or swiping of screens - just good old buttons and dials to point and click with confidence. To be fair to phones though, the UX considerations on Ricoh cameras are phenomenal and not at all the norm. They're definetly the top of the game in that respect.
knowing the life span of the camera is at least 6-8 years (3 phones) I could justify going for it. in europe the price difference between an iphone 15 pro max 256GB and a very good android phone with the best snapdragon cpu, so still high end device, is €500 or $530. so if you account for 3 iphones in 6-8 years you have saved about €1,500 or $1,600 by not buying them. you can totally buy a good aps-c camera + lenses. this is how I started. if someone buy mid range phone instead, so this will feel like a downgrade from a use standpoint, you may even afford a Sony A7 C II + lenses
Oh for the convenience of a phone. Its always there. They're getting so good now. Ive taken some great shots with a phone over the years. I do enjoy using a camera with a viewfinder and the options you have but sometimes the pictures i take with my phone look better.. The sky is always a tricky one. Blown out with the camera but looks so much better on the phone. They should marry the two technologies. Or have they already..?
I would be interested in a similar video but putting the iPhone against the Panasonic G9 II, smaller sensor but computational photography on both, both have great video and stabilization...think about it ;)
Good video for you, you can make some money... But how can a photographer compare iPhone and Professional Camera? You can compare photos by printing photos in 2m x 3m.
to me, i will still go with Pro Camera. Even though DSLR is heavy but it will still comes the best result. 2ndly, i don't have to worry about out of storage as i have extra SD card. and battery life no worry as well as I just need to buy extra battery. Even though Iphone is lighter and easy to carry around but it is still a phone with limitation on the storage and battery life.
I understand what you are explaining on this video.BUT! If I'm not a professional photographer. And I make normal prints. Like let's say till 5" x 7". Then the differences between them are rather insignificant. Aren't they?
Hi Chris any idea why camera companies don’t employ similar software, hardware, firmware used by smartphones? ergonomics, larger sensors, choice of lenses add the razel-dazel
In the UK 🇬🇧 you can now do prescription based photography, right? The reasoning behind that decision is the reason for a real camera! It is about focus, about calming you down and mono-concentration on one tool, and not the Swiss Army knife of competing notifications, which a phone is usually.
Great piece as always on your thoughts about the iPhone 15 Pro Max as a camera for photography vs a great pro grade camera. Would love for Jordan to do the same for use in pro video, perhaps for a video project where the iPhone is his only option that he must use to its ultimate ability, comparing and contrasting it to his experience doing same with pro video equipment.
I am so incredibly happy that you guys didn't go the trendy route of lying and saying the iPhone 15 Pro is as good as pro body cameras and that you don't need to buy expensive high end equipment blah blah blah Of course you don't need expensive equipment to make an Instagram post but omg I'm so tired of hearing popular influencers and creators say all you need is an iPhone.... maybe if all you do is play on social media then yeah all you need is an iPhone! Okay rant over, I'm just exhausted listening to people trying to pass a phone off as a professional piece of equipment... And I have and love my iPhone 14 Pro Max but I love my Alpha 1 more when it comes to pictures or video! But in all honesty the people who think they are going to start a career with an iPhone generally lack the understanding of cameras in the first place and would likely be better off just buying a phone in the first place! The whiskey is strong tonight... great video as always!
It will be a shame that the Iphone could not stabilizate a sensor so tiny that the ones that are on the Iphone promax. Bigger sensor need bigger mechanism to do so
Doesn't the Z8 also have an ADR mode on JPEG/HEIF mode? All of my Z cameras have that. I wonder how that would stack up against the iPhone (which also uses AI filters in addition to HDR stacking)
G9ii looks great. I was just in a wildlife situation where I shot stills with the Z6ii but any video was noticeably bumpy, so I relied on iPhone 13Pro for vids. Only problem is audio quality affected when zoomed in and the footage looks really over-sharp.
you know, watching an inconsequential fun little clickbaity video about overpriced cameras is exactly the stuff (I wanted to write content, but screw that word. hate that word) I needed after days of doomscrolling.
Great comparison - but I would love to have seen an inclusion of hand held night time low light exposures too. Night mode on the phone will allow in very dark environments a 10 second hand held exposure, or more commonly 3 second or 1 second, and it aligns it automatically in software as best as it can. On a traditional camera you have way larger sensor, far superior light gathering ability and better long exposure options, but to do it hand held you'll have to use high iso or a tripod - and the way they both react to movement in the scene, or movement of the camera, is different.
Obviously you can't handhold a full frame camera for a 10 second exposure, but with IBIS and steady hands it's not hard to get a sharp 1/2s shot. Given the massively larger sensor and bigger apertures available on a dedicated camera, I'm confident such a comparison wouldn't result in "iPhone destroys $4K camera".
Agreed - I have an X-T4 with various lenses including the 56 ƒ/1.2 - wouldn’t expect the phone to destroy the camera, just that it would be an interesting comparison, in addition to those they already did. @@dragonnyxx
I find the night modes on cameras (Pixel 6 Pro, Iphone 14, so not the very latest) wonderful for memories, but would never use them for a shot i really wanted to get. So i guess i am saying better than a camera in most situations except the important ones for my money. A comparison would be fun though, good idea.
OM-1 has some similar functions for long exposure hand held photography, so it's totally possible to do the same as smartphones do with computational long exposures. It's a shame that not more camera manufacturers do this.
Sorry for being off topic, but are you guys planning on doing a review of the Tamron 17-50 f/4 for Sony e-mount? Imho one of the most exciting focal ranges in years...
I would want to say that you can buy a lens for the iPhone I came across a SandMarc telephoto lens. I don't think iPhone your outta luck yet. I agree with the blur back and other things you said. I think you check them out get that lens and compare it with an aftermarket lens like how that camera you have, has an aftermarket lens. that was untrue you said. You should know iPhone has a great aftermarket lens that makes the picture and video look better than stock. what I am noticing is that you but the camera for details that others won't be able to appreciate because it is not that noticeable you have to explain it for them to see it. At that point, you have to explain also the flexibility that a camera has over an iPhone which is true too like you said also. The iPhone is a weapon to eliminate the purpose like a flashlight of course it can be advantageous like a real flash but it gets the job done for most occasions then having a flash or trying to explain the calculator is pretty much for a lot of reasons but it gets a job for a lot of situation that people need it for. everything will be in the background for me important events but really you can have a great business shooting iPhone and get the job done for the majority of work people want a great video they don't care about the little detail background details you have to explain why it's better than iPhone is like a big deal I virtually got the same perfect shot of the main focus perfect. we are comparing a $1,100 smartphone that can do everything in there vs a $5,000 camera that does one thing better but ends up downloading pictures up to your smartphone to edit them on there or on a computer lol. it's more of a process and time with the camera than an iPhone. Cameras lenses go from $500 to 1,200 for the good to better in between and for iPhone, you won't spend $200 for an aftermarket lens to have a better shot and have the same comparison with a better result. Being portable is very important and the iPhone wins there is faster to get to a place than cameras with big chunky nerdy backpacks. Social acceptance iPhones or more socially accepted in restaurants and public buildings than cameras. which means you have more access to take pictures in public spaces than a huge camera looking like wanna-be influencers. iPhone is the better option; it really has eliminated the need for cameras for the regular person or even the professional person. how much are you going to pay to explain the difference? imagine someone said do want an iPhone camera that can do everything you need and more for almost the same shot instead of buying a laptop. tell me what would you buy after that. I never said the flashlight or calculator was fully eliminated, I said it was really used only for their main purpose like for a blackout or specific equations that the iPhone doesn't carry but besides that, it can help you through 80% of life events, and the iPhone camera does the same to Nikon and canon eliminate them for a lot purpose they were once used to now reduce to a small niche of people who really look for the little little detail that regular people wouldnt have seen it if you didn't explain to him
I always tell people that if they just want to point and shoot to take snapshots from vacation, they are better off with a tool meant to do that. That’s a cell phone. The full frame pro camera, like the z8, is a vastly more powerful imaging tool that will run rings around the cell phone. But only if you’re willing to take the time to learn how to use it. If you’re going to put it on auto mode and just point and shoot, your results might actually look worse than a cell phone because it is not a tool meant for that purpose.
There's still no contest between a phone and a dedicated camera for anything other than casual snapshots for social media. The fake bokeh still looks god awful. I know too many people that have wasted so much money on getting the latest iPhone, falling for the hype and the marketing (that new 'shot on iphone' ad with the 50k lighting rig lol), and then still wondering why thier photos don't look great. I've since pointed a few friends to budget options like the Gx80, which is what you guys should be doing really. So many amazing cheap photography deals out there. Try replicating the magic of a £25 helios on a iPhone. Pair the Gx80 with an Olympus 45 1.8 and you can get portraits that blow any phone out the water for £400.
Not to go off on a tangent here but I’d love to see a vid on how certain cameras and phones post to say, instagram? Photos maybe not so much but how about videos? I have seen so many hdr reels but yet only 1/25 of my hdr content uploads as hdr. Is there a perfect setting/bitrate to adhere too? If y’all can answer this for me you’d be my hero’s lol.
10:50 iPhone files look terrible out of camera to me, way too overcooked. However, I do understand that the general public probably prefers the overbaked and unrealistic files.
It would be nice if you would do a comparison with the iPhone 15 Pro Max with ShiftCam Deluxe Kit which comes with the hand grip and seven lenses to do a review on. I happened to have a Nikon D800E with 14-24mm, 24-70mm and the 70-200mm and just purchased the ShiftCam Deluxe Kit which I am waiting for.
Here’s a question, do camera / iPhone comparison videos like this come out to get photographers rage views or iPhone customers excited views? 🤔 …or both.
Impressed with what the iPhone can do…is it better for you; well that depends on your use/needs (and perhaps budget). I’ve an older version of have often managed to get a photo or video I would never had had the chance to get with a camera…usually because I was hiking or scrambling and carrying a camera was largely not possible or maybe we were at a dinner and wanted a quick video of our food. iPhone all the way! For convenience hard to beat, especially for social media…for the best photography or video…no, a good camera (pretty much anything made in last few years) and lens. Soon maybe just AI? Nice video guys…and some lovely locations.
For me at this stage as an amateur, the real benefit is with subject separation or telephoto. For the rest, also I try, the phone takes most of the time a better picture. I am moving from Fuji to Full frame with primes (and telephoto later) for this reason.
I even see big differences when I compare my iPhone 15 photos to my RX100VII photos. I seem definitely not the right photographer for smartphone images.
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Bonus points to Jordan for the little camera jiggle laughing at Chris' bad pun. You guys are the best!
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Well, it's an apples-to-nikons comparison.
But missed opportunity at 11:11 to spit the coffee out! I laughed anyways at my own joke (no one else will)
I'm a complete amateur. I have an iPhone 14 Pro and it does some amazing things. I can take pictures at night, basically, and have more than usable images (which almost always means some sort of thing that happened that I'm trying to document). I've done some legitimately good arty photography in 48mp RAW mode. I also have a Lumix G95D and the two kit lenses (12-60 and 45-150) and taking pictures with the camera is completely different. It feels good using a camera to take pictures. The iPhone is just... it's just not fun to use.
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As a phone enthusiast I can see where the phone is good, for 1 phone heif is like hlg then delivered in dolby vision, dynamic range is going to favor the phone a lot of the time, tone mapping on the phone is just stronger than a few stops of raw dynamic range, heif on the phone that is. I am not even bothered by digital zoom on the phone, it's watercolor but if it is presentable I will post it, just edit it down, make it more cinematic tone, I use all the stock tools, -1/3ev on the camera app, then drop exposure more in post, put a bit of vivid warm. Phone photos are alright, when you introduce more shadows.
Now coming to the lumix, try a powerhouse lens, cheap 45f1.7 is an absolute must for that system, 25f1.2 is silly beautiful, and the grand daddy of m43 75mmf1.8. Those will really spark a fire in pursuit of photography. m43 is a pretty small system, even a gf10 paired to a small 45f1.7 or 20mm f1.7 will make some incredible photos. Technically won't be as high dynamic range as phones but still very beautiful even with jpegs natural.
If you have a sense of which focal length you use to create your favorite images, you can get an MFT prime near that, either from Panasonic or Olympus. That will take your results up another level.
To me the biggest issue with these comparisons is that the RUclipsrs take pictures in perfect lighting conditions where any camera does well. As a dad, my conditions for family photography are usually less than ideal indoors in low light. This is where the phone computational photography falls apart as even slightest movement of the subject prevents the phones ability to compose an HDR photo and the subject becomes extremely grainy and blurry.
An ILC only takes one exposure with a shorter shutter speed that can freeze slight movement and the ISO performance kills phones in those situations. Adding a flash puts the last nail in the phone's coffin but in perfect sunny day conditions, I'd not take my mirrorless camera with me very easily.
If you want to double the quality of your low light smartphone photos, put it on a mini tripod, and use a warm LED light such as a LumeCube. I don't like all the distractions that come along with getting my smartphone out, and I still appreciate the INTENTION and experience of taking a camera along to capture memories. ;)
DSLRs aren't for family pictures either.
I will enjoy my set of 18 Nikon lenses until the shutters of my bodies are dead, but then I'll make my life easy and buy the iPhone 22.
Thank you for showing the difference between a real camera and the iPhone in lowlight. Most reviewers cripple the DSLR with cheap glass then go shoot during midday in pristine sunlight. Any camera would look good during that time. I think the future of DSLR's is incorporating smartphone features directly into the camera. Built in SSD's, network connectivity, app stores, etc.
Agree. Surprised this hasn’t happened across the industry already. I think years ago a Samsung camera had some of these concepts.
I am thinking it other way round. I believe cameras should focus on doing image capture and maybe light compression, and transfer to smartphone or any processing unit (like external recorder) for further processing and storage.
@@medicalwei These are good points, and for what it’s worth, I already transfer a fair number of photos to my phone and process them there (I enjoy doing this in the evening because I want to relax in our living area and not stare at a big computer screen). So as a workflow option, it’s good.
But I suspect that as smartphone tech gets better and better , camera manufacturers will have little choice but to add inbuilt editing functionality. We’ll see what happens. But I imagine even now camera companies must be having intense r and d meetings over how to develop next.
The real cameras should be simplified not complicate them, they are already bloated with lots of crap
It feels to me as if even the big camera companies simply haven't got the budget to invest in their products. I wonder what Apple expenditure on the camera aspects of their phones is in comparison.
Chris rocking the old man phone wallet, the dad vest, and the accompanying leather craft goods. He’s aging like a goddamn fine wine 😅
I thought he was just trying to keep warm smh
It’s pretty astounding how good phones are today, especially wide angle. I generally use my 16mm lens for astrophotography now and use the iPhone for anything unless I am doing nature photography with a telephoto zoom
Chris, I love how you manage to sneak in something fly fishing related into the vids. That shot of you standing in the river looks great.
If you're going to do very graphical deep depth of field work in ideal light, a phone is a great choice. It just falls apart when you need versatility or if natural things can quickly look uncanny with too much pre-processing. I would use a phone for abstract architectural black and white, where it's all about vague expressive shape and lines for example. Those types of image can hide the technical flaws of the format like crunchy digital sharpening, over-clocked gain noise, colour banding, awkward HDR, and fauxkeh.
The fauxkeh... yeah.... ew...
A pro camera is always better, except when you don't have it with you. On the other hand, the phone can be good enough for some purposes and it's always in your pocket.
Ill be using both. Choosing what is hard is one of my principles, manual dslr/mirror is harder path, hence its where you become intentional.
For me the biggest difference is still real bokeh vs fake bokeh. The fake bokeh is getting better, but it still has a lot of errors on fine details around subjects. That said, I found it remarkable just how similar a lot of these shots are. It's comparing a big expensive professional camera to a CELL PHONE, and in some of the shots I would've struggled to tell which is which without a label. Obviously upon closer inspection you can tell the difference, but that they even have a passing similarity is amazing.
LOL WHAT YOU NEED IS TO GET YOUR EYES TESTED LOL.
That Nikon looks way better
Thank you! You helped me make the decision whether to take my new iPhone 15 Pro or my mirrorless Nikon X61. It's a family vacation with children and I just want to be able to capture photos on the fly...so the iPhone is the winner.
Chris, I really appreciate this review. I viewed your other reviews related to this subject, and became convinced that giving up my mirrorless Sony cameras was the right move. Losing telephoto capabilities was the biggest issue. My other issue is that I use DXO POST- processing of raw photos. DXO does not process the HEIC images from an iPhone. I keep nagging them to add it. But no luck so far.
Thanks Again!
I'm planning on taking my R6-II and 24-70 2.8 to Europe soon, even though I have capable phone (S23 ultra). This is an important family trip and I'll use my phone for a lot, and although the phone is easier and more convenient, my Canon takes superior pictures.
Thanks for your excellent review. Basically the iphone does in camera photoshop - which means less creative choice. The main advantage of the iphone is convenience, i.e. it's usually in your pocket and no processing or picture style choices are required. It's certainly possible to take great pictures and vidoes with the iPhone.
Should try to compare Sony a6700 $1400 . Similar price .
I have an a6700.
If you're applying some of the same image processing techniques as the iPhone, such as high quality denoising, and motion compensating deblurring, the a6700 beats the iPhone quite easily. If you have a mostly static scene and do a burst shot on the a6700, you can also use the multi-shot compositing technique to further boost quality. The main problem for me is the cost of buying the additional software to do all of this post processing.
but then you need to add some lenses which are not free. used a6100 would allow some budget for lenses (like the sigma 18-50mm f/2.8, very well respected general purpose aps-c lens)
i think they are considering the nikon 120mm lens to compare
One of the upsides of the smartphone is for field reporting. Sure a mirrorless or even an older DSLR can out perform the photographic power of that phone but the ability to directly upload the images and video is not something to be overlooked.
I just wish the apps camera manufacturers made were better than they are. Sony, I'm looking at you needing a wifi router (not ad-hoc like with pentax's app for example).
I use the Sony transfer and tagging app all the time it works well with the A9, A7IV and A7RV. It does disconnect some times and has to be reset if I view what has been transferred in gallery, but I think that is todo with the phone as it never used to happen but security updates often seem to affect apps. Sure the app could be improved and I need to try the new creators app which maybe better 😊
I think it's a fair comparison, with one exception: you mentioned several times that the Z8 is much pricier than the iPhone. But you could draw exactly the same comparison with basically every other full frame mirrorless camera on the market, a lot of which are actually cheaper than the 15 Pro Max.
You pay a premium for a Z8 vs let's say a Z7 or even a Z5, but the advantages you have over those models were not at all touched on the video.
Exactly, i think even my A7.3 is cheaper than the iphone now
I have a MFT system and comparing my Pixel 6 edited raws with my E-M5 III, I actually find the phone results quite good, and sometimes the phone is able to produce sharper results. It tends to be a little grainy but that's expected with a smaller sensor. Comparing against a 45mp full frame is pretty unfair, but seeing an iphone against MFT or APS-C where you're downsampling from 48mp to 20/24/26 would be interesting. The iphone colours always look bad to me though.
No wonder it's MFT u r comparing to
The APSC and MFT still outperform phones by a mile. Just compare the sensor size, the iPhone 15 Pro's main camera has a crop factor of 3.5, the Ultrawide has a crop factor of almost 6. Do not get fooled by the AI sharpening, there's more to image quality than sharp pictures.
@@mbismbismbIn terms of quality, MFT is still way closer to fullframe then any Phone camera is to MFT.
@@drchtct In my opinion it's not that much about the sensor but more about the lenses. Phone lenses are a joke compared to good glass on a DSLM.
@@WaddyMutersthen compare iPhone to 1" cameras
Would be great if you incorporate Portrait Photography into your comparisons. It's quite limiting to only show and compare mostly landscape photography with it.
100%
This is one thing I am missing thus far: maybe it's not the sensor and the processor that matter, but the lens. It's hard to believe a little pea lens could have the detail and lack of distortion that portrait lenses have.
Chris, at 11:33 you said, "I still love the ergonomics of using a smartphone." Did you mean to say I still love the ergonomics of using the Nikon?
I’m sure I did mean too. I hate smartphone ergonmoics
Would like to know how a 1" sensor compact (say RX100VA) compares against a smartphone (say Xperia 5v).
The 1" compact has better physical usability which translates to shots you would other wise maybe miss. You can save custom modes for reliable speed shooting, you have a solid range of optical zoom, you can use the flip screen for low angle shots or selfies while using the best lens on the system, you can decentralise your photography from your phone so you don't rely on a phone battery to do everything - allowing you better power management options on long trips.
The Xperia has a newly developed Exmor type T sensor technology for increased light gathering and dynamic range❤
The delta between the iPhone and these expensive bodies and glass are getting so narrow, that I find it hard to justify the price of buying a mirrorless setup. I realize for certain situations, a camera will be the best choice. But those use cases are becoming fewer and fewer.
Ideally rather than a Full Frame comparison, how about a Ricoh GR or Fuji X100 comparison.. It feels like this is the real place a mobile phone can compete. Any chance of a video on this? Im sure street shooters would appreciate it and it would be fantastic to see how the iphone fairs in different lighting conditions with these two mega popular cameras
Interesting comparison, would interesting to repeat with some of the compact cameras out there like Sony cyber shot RX100VII and Canon Powershot G5 X mk II - close’ish in terms of portability, fewer megapixels but from a bigger sensor and a proper lens, have the high end phones killed this market or do the still have a raison d’étre?
I have Sony RX100-7, and the image from this camera is way better than any phone camera because the sensor in the RX100 is 4X the area of the sensor in the phone; no matter how they tweak the photo with software, the bigger sensor will always be better. Eeven on compact cameras that is 5 years old, it will beat out the current phone cams.
I don't think anyone expected the iPhone to compete head-on with the Z8. The fact that it's even a serious discussion for professionals is a huge credit to the iPhone. Also, that 120mm focal length on the iPhone is pretty exciting. Still waiting for a phone that can capture wildlife with an 800mm focal length while fitting in my pocket!
At 11:35, did you mean to say camera rather than smartphone for ergonomics?
the one thing I can say as feedback, the iPhone has Live Photo mode where it recorded a bit before and after and it chooses what it believes is the best photo but you can change it. so you can select the best "action shot". i haven't checked the image quality though when you do that.
That won’t work in ProRaw mode
As an amateur photography enthusiast, I’m continually amazed that we’re at this stage of comparing phones against cameras at this level.
I see this in a different way. While iPhones etc. doing the computational thing internally, I get these possibilities in a way higher quality in Lightroom etc.
Smartphone images are like a frozen pizza, it’s convenient and fast, but it doesn’t taste like a real pizza.
@@Benjamin_Jehne I understand where you’re coming from, but think of it this way: Traditional cameras are like making pizza from scratch at home. It’s time-consuming, requires more tools, and has a learning curve. While smartphones are like ordering from your favourite pizzeria - quick, efficient, and often just as satisfying for many occasions. It’s all about what suits the moment best.
@@madm4tty In that analogy, ordering Pizza from a Pizzeria would be like hiring a professional photographer to do it for you, the frozen pizza analogy still works for me for a phone.
@@dkcrogue Fair point. Let's tweak the analogy then. Traditional cameras are like brewing your coffee with a French press - it gives more control, often a richer taste, and is for those who value the process. Smartphone cameras are like using a pod coffee machine - quicker, convenient, and still delivers a good cup for most. It doesn't mean one is inherently better, just different methods for different moments.
@@madm4tty Yes, and if I want a quick, tasteless pizza or a random snapshot, I'll take the garbage tool. If I want to enjoy a good meal or create a good image, I'll go with the quality option. The phone is not a camera, it's a computer with some imaging capabilities.
I brought my iPhone 15pro, Ricoh GR3, and Canon 5Dii recently to a trip to Japan. I took a ton of photos with my iPhone & GR3, but hardly used my DSLR. It was nice having photos from my iPhone, but I’m sure glad I shot with my GR3. Real cameras still kick the crap out of smart phones.
With a 'regular camera' you can change the lens (and therefore its focal length). But with a cell phone you are stuck with the FL of the lens (usually slightly wide angle) that is built into the phone.
I take my camera when I want do take live music or event photography. The phone is for fun walking around. I remember going into Boston for a day trip and deciding against actually taking my SLR out of the carry bag.
I greatly enjoyed the video! I think that for a professional photographer, no, a camera phone cannot replace professional photography equipment. It’s not even close. However, for the average person Who just wants to take snapshots of their kids and family trips, your camera phone is probably the best option. As mentioned in the video, the photographs will come out much more polished than they would from a mirror less or DSLR camera. Most people do not want to spend hours editing photos at the computer. In addition, most people always keep the phone with them whereas bulky equipment will likely be left at home. And the quality will be far good enough for social media and smaller prints, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, 8 x 10. In my personal opinion there is really no reason to purchase a mid range camera anymore. Your camera phone should cover all of those situation‘s.
No comparison at all between a proper camera and mobile phone with regard to photos but videos I think the phone has past the camera interms of flexibility with very acceptable quality
Love to see some HEIF vs JPG comparisons. Both when shooting and when processing. Also, how to deal with those HEIF/HEIC files on Windows.
which cameras ..mirrorless and dslr... LOSE to the iphone 15 Pro Max?
I just shot my new A7cii with 28-60 kit lens vs my iPhone 13 Pro indoors and outdoors and honestly I did not see any difference when both were in full Auto which is what I leave my camera on to make it easier for my kids to grab the camera and shoot. However when I capped ISO indoors to 1600, and added a flash the camera became better. We only look at pics on a 27 inch 1440 screen or send on whatsapp so the camera and iphone images feel the same so far.
I think both are useful, if you can have the camera with you everywhere, sure, I'll prefer the mirrorless camera, but not all the time you have you camera with you everywhere you are, and the phone is with me all the time, so learning how to use the iPhone and avoid its limitations would be a preferred way. I would say not chasing one over another, but using both at the appropriate time. There is no point comparing the photo qualities or other features, there is no comparison. We can't break the rule of science
Please do a comparison with the pixel 8
I use my Z8 for photo and iPhone for video.
How many faces is the limit for the iPhone’s portrait mode?
I guess I'm cancelling my order for the Z8 and going with the iPhone 15.
Any high end smartphone advantage: good enough quality, good colors, built in hdr, quick, easy, limited editing needed, no need to transfer and edit after, major time saver, send or post immediately. Amd you always have ot with you.
High end cam advantage: more control over shooting speed/aperture and settings, faster shutters, faster to change settings real time, natural bokeh, higher quality RAW, lenses to make it easier to shoot specific things (sports, animals, astrophotography, flash sync, full photoshoots, etc)
For 90% of people, a smartphone is truly more than enough nowadays.
Are title descriptions swapped on 8:17 ? The image on the right (Nikon) has muddier detail on Chris' face and shirt and looks iPhone-y. I have to say, the skin tone rendering in Resolve when color managed is pretty good for iPhone Log. Great video as always guys!
Surprising omission of THREE THINGS: 1) the pinhead size of 45 tiny pixels on a tiny phone sensor does not achieve what 45 MP’s do on a much much larger camera sensor; 2) regarding #1 above, try blowing up phone photos into large prints (yeah yeah, who prints anymore, I know) and see the BIG difference in image quality 3) No mention of how “zoomed” focal lengths on phones are not truly optical, but do pixels-stretching (thus detail diminishing) to achieve the results.
One issue is many ILC and phone comparisons often involves people using heavily scaled down images, thus all you can compare is the tonality of an image but you can't really compare detail levels, artifacting, or any other issues that heavily impacts the usability of an image.
There is a dude who made comparison videos between multiple iphone generations and i think a lumix gf2. I think up to ip 11 or 13. The old Lumix was better every time.
Also these videos most of the time use processed raws, what 99.9% of the iphone users will never see. It would be more informative to see "soop" pics from the iphone. I'm not sure even people interested in photography would want to play with phone pictures while the first reason anyone uses a phone to take pictures is convenience.
To me the biggest issue is taking the pictures in perfect lighting conditions where any camera does well. As a dad, my conditions for family photography are usually less than ideal indoors in low light. This is where the phone computational photography falls apart as even slightest movement of the subject prevents the phones ability to compose an HDR photo and the subject becomes extremely grainy and blurry.
An ILC only takes one exposure with a shorter shutter speed but the ISO performance kills phones in those situations.
great video! But wheres the pro camera?
The apple ProRes LOG video is actually really nice.
Was this shot in the Black Hills of South Dakota? The tree coverage on the hills and the buggy you were in made me think it was the Black Hills. I was just there visiting family and someone rents tons of those you can see them though out Deadwood, Spearfish Canyon and further up the hills by the closed mines.
Any comparison between this and the Samsung S24 ultra ?
Thumbs up for the Fly fishing footage!
The biggest advantage of the phone is the ease of use. The biggest advantage of the camera is the ability to change the lenses and create drastically different look. And the price difference is not that big, because a pro camera or a good quality lens work fine for a decade or more. That's like 3 or 4 phones.
Ease of use is why I don't use a phone. It's just to fiddly to me. I had to invest in a Ricoh GR III just to get a pocket 28mm eq. snap camera. I like having confidence that the settings are right, and I can just turn it on and shoot, no focus tapping and locking, or swiping of screens - just good old buttons and dials to point and click with confidence.
To be fair to phones though, the UX considerations on Ricoh cameras are phenomenal and not at all the norm. They're definetly the top of the game in that respect.
knowing the life span of the camera is at least 6-8 years (3 phones) I could justify going for it. in europe the price difference between an iphone 15 pro max 256GB and a very good android phone with the best snapdragon cpu, so still high end device, is €500 or $530. so if you account for 3 iphones in 6-8 years you have saved about €1,500 or $1,600 by not buying them. you can totally buy a good aps-c camera + lenses. this is how I started. if someone buy mid range phone instead, so this will feel like a downgrade from a use standpoint, you may even afford a Sony A7 C II + lenses
@@giovannigio6217 Damn.. That's a good point. Product lifecycles are a value issue. 👑
@@giovannigio6217cameras can operate for 20yrs
Instead of shooting "burst mode" on the iPhone, why not shoot using the "Live Photo" feature? Easier to work with & saves space.
Oh for the convenience of a phone. Its always there. They're getting so good now. Ive taken some great shots with a phone over the years. I do enjoy using a camera with a viewfinder and the options you have but sometimes the pictures i take with my phone look better.. The sky is always a tricky one. Blown out with the camera but looks so much better on the phone. They should marry the two technologies. Or have they already..?
On the iPhone, you can select the shots you want in burst and ask it'll ask you if you want to delete the rest.
You yelled at Michael? I wouldnt drink that if i were you 😂
I would be interested in a similar video but putting the iPhone against the Panasonic G9 II, smaller sensor but computational photography on both, both have great video and stabilization...think about it ;)
Good video for you, you can make some money...
But how can a photographer compare iPhone and Professional Camera?
You can compare photos by printing photos in 2m x 3m.
Jordan doing hot tub streaming was NOT on my 2023 bingo card
to me, i will still go with Pro Camera. Even though DSLR is heavy but it will still comes the best result. 2ndly, i don't have to worry about out of storage as i have extra SD card. and battery life no worry as well as I just need to buy extra battery. Even though Iphone is lighter and easy to carry around but it is still a phone with limitation on the storage and battery life.
I understand what you are explaining on this video.BUT! If I'm not a professional photographer. And I make normal prints. Like let's say till 5" x 7". Then the differences between them are rather insignificant. Aren't they?
Did you even go into camera settings on the iPhone and change the formats to ProRAW MAX for photos and Apple PRO RES for video?
Hi Chris any idea why camera companies don’t employ similar software, hardware, firmware used by smartphones? ergonomics, larger sensors, choice of lenses add the razel-dazel
In the UK 🇬🇧 you can now do prescription based photography, right? The reasoning behind that decision is the reason for a real camera! It is about focus, about calming you down and mono-concentration on one tool, and not the Swiss Army knife of competing notifications, which a phone is usually.
Great piece as always on your thoughts about the iPhone 15 Pro Max as a camera for photography vs a great pro grade camera. Would love for Jordan to do the same for use in pro video, perhaps for a video project where the iPhone is his only option that he must use to its ultimate ability, comparing and contrasting it to his experience doing same with pro video equipment.
I am so incredibly happy that you guys didn't go the trendy route of lying and saying the iPhone 15 Pro is as good as pro body cameras and that you don't need to buy expensive high end equipment blah blah blah Of course you don't need expensive equipment to make an Instagram post but omg I'm so tired of hearing popular influencers and creators say all you need is an iPhone.... maybe if all you do is play on social media then yeah all you need is an iPhone! Okay rant over, I'm just exhausted listening to people trying to pass a phone off as a professional piece of equipment... And I have and love my iPhone 14 Pro Max but I love my Alpha 1 more when it comes to pictures or video! But in all honesty the people who think they are going to start a career with an iPhone generally lack the understanding of cameras in the first place and would likely be better off just buying a phone in the first place! The whiskey is strong tonight... great video as always!
Thanks Chris...would you and Jordan please do an all features camera/video comparison of the Samsung S23 Ultra to iPhone 15 Pro ?
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Fantastic video, please do a Xiaomi 13 Ultra comparison with a full frame camera
Compare iPhone pro stabilization with Sony zv e1 .
It will be a shame that the Iphone could not stabilizate a sensor so tiny that the ones that are on the Iphone promax. Bigger sensor need bigger mechanism to do so
Ohhhh my man with the Blue Moon, you can't hide good taste homie 👍🏾 7:27
Make a video on (pixel 8 pro vs pro camera)❤
Doesn't the Z8 also have an ADR mode on JPEG/HEIF mode? All of my Z cameras have that. I wonder how that would stack up against the iPhone (which also uses AI filters in addition to HDR stacking)
It would be interesting to see the same comparison i low light photography. Like taking pictures of the moon or evening/night time nature scenes.
G9ii looks great. I was just in a wildlife situation where I shot stills with the Z6ii but any video was noticeably bumpy, so I relied on iPhone 13Pro for vids. Only problem is audio quality affected when zoomed in and the footage looks really over-sharp.
How good does the G9 2 look? Just saying
you know, watching an inconsequential fun little clickbaity video about overpriced cameras is exactly the stuff (I wanted to write content, but screw that word. hate that word) I needed after days of doomscrolling.
Great comparison - but I would love to have seen an inclusion of hand held night time low light exposures too. Night mode on the phone will allow in very dark environments a 10 second hand held exposure, or more commonly 3 second or 1 second, and it aligns it automatically in software as best as it can. On a traditional camera you have way larger sensor, far superior light gathering ability and better long exposure options, but to do it hand held you'll have to use high iso or a tripod - and the way they both react to movement in the scene, or movement of the camera, is different.
Obviously you can't handhold a full frame camera for a 10 second exposure, but with IBIS and steady hands it's not hard to get a sharp 1/2s shot. Given the massively larger sensor and bigger apertures available on a dedicated camera, I'm confident such a comparison wouldn't result in "iPhone destroys $4K camera".
Agreed - I have an X-T4 with various lenses including the 56 ƒ/1.2 - wouldn’t expect the phone to destroy the camera, just that it would be an interesting comparison, in addition to those they already did. @@dragonnyxx
I find the night modes on cameras (Pixel 6 Pro, Iphone 14, so not the very latest) wonderful for memories, but would never use them for a shot i really wanted to get. So i guess i am saying better than a camera in most situations except the important ones for my money. A comparison would be fun though, good idea.
OM-1 has some similar functions for long exposure hand held photography, so it's totally possible to do the same as smartphones do with computational long exposures.
It's a shame that not more camera manufacturers do this.
It can be increased to 30 seconds if the iPhone is completely standstill
Sorry for being off topic, but are you guys planning on doing a review of the Tamron 17-50 f/4 for Sony e-mount? Imho one of the most exciting focal ranges in years...
I would want to say that you can buy a lens for the iPhone I came across a SandMarc telephoto lens. I don't think iPhone your outta luck yet. I agree with the blur back and other things you said. I think you check them out get that lens and compare it with an aftermarket lens like how that camera you have, has an aftermarket lens. that was untrue you said. You should know iPhone has a great aftermarket lens that makes the picture and video look better than stock. what I am noticing is that you but the camera for details that others won't be able to appreciate because it is not that noticeable you have to explain it for them to see it. At that point, you have to explain also the flexibility that a camera has over an iPhone which is true too like you said also. The iPhone is a weapon to eliminate the purpose like a flashlight of course it can be advantageous like a real flash but it gets the job done for most occasions then having a flash or trying to explain the calculator is pretty much for a lot of reasons but it gets a job for a lot of situation that people need it for. everything will be in the background for me important events but really you can have a great business shooting iPhone and get the job done for the majority of work people want a great video they don't care about the little detail background details you have to explain why it's better than iPhone is like a big deal I virtually got the same perfect shot of the main focus perfect. we are comparing a $1,100 smartphone that can do everything in there vs a $5,000 camera that does one thing better but ends up downloading pictures up to your smartphone to edit them on there or on a computer lol. it's more of a process and time with the camera than an iPhone. Cameras lenses go from $500 to 1,200 for the good to better in between and for iPhone, you won't spend $200 for an aftermarket lens to have a better shot and have the same comparison with a better result. Being portable is very important and the iPhone wins there is faster to get to a place than cameras with big chunky nerdy backpacks. Social acceptance iPhones or more socially accepted in restaurants and public buildings than cameras. which means you have more access to take pictures in public spaces than a huge camera looking like wanna-be influencers. iPhone is the better option; it really has eliminated the need for cameras for the regular person or even the professional person. how much are you going to pay to explain the difference? imagine someone said do want an iPhone camera that can do everything you need and more for almost the same shot instead of buying a laptop. tell me what would you buy after that. I never said the flashlight or calculator was fully eliminated, I said it was really used only for their main purpose like for a blackout or specific equations that the iPhone doesn't carry but besides that, it can help you through 80% of life events, and the iPhone camera does the same to Nikon and canon eliminate them for a lot purpose they were once used to now reduce to a small niche of people who really look for the little little detail that regular people wouldnt have seen it if you didn't explain to him
Would you recommend iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max? I know you lose the range from 2x-5x
I'd like to use 135mm rf on a canon vs the long focal length on the ip5promax
Would be interesting to see the phone compared to the OM camera Chris likes to take traveling.
I always tell people that if they just want to point and shoot to take snapshots from vacation, they are better off with a tool meant to do that. That’s a cell phone. The full frame pro camera, like the z8, is a vastly more powerful imaging tool that will run rings around the cell phone. But only if you’re willing to take the time to learn how to use it. If you’re going to put it on auto mode and just point and shoot, your results might actually look worse than a cell phone because it is not a tool meant for that purpose.
Thanks for the information guys. Perfect timing.
There's still no contest between a phone and a dedicated camera for anything other than casual snapshots for social media. The fake bokeh still looks god awful.
I know too many people that have wasted so much money on getting the latest iPhone, falling for the hype and the marketing (that new 'shot on iphone' ad with the 50k lighting rig lol), and then still wondering why thier photos don't look great. I've since pointed a few friends to budget options like the Gx80, which is what you guys should be doing really. So many amazing cheap photography deals out there. Try replicating the magic of a £25 helios on a iPhone. Pair the Gx80 with an Olympus 45 1.8 and you can get portraits that blow any phone out the water for £400.
Exactly. You don’t need a $5k camera. Hybrid shooters like the a6700 and x-s20 with decent lens will take better photos than any phone.
How about an Apples to Googles comparison? (rimshot)
I hope you will be doing a similar video for the new Pixel 8. Decisions need to be made!! As always, thanks Chris and Jordon
Check this space again soon!
your vest needs more pockets
I think there a couple on the inside too
Not to go off on a tangent here but I’d love to see a vid on how certain cameras and phones post to say, instagram? Photos maybe not so much but how about videos? I have seen so many hdr reels but yet only 1/25 of my hdr content uploads as hdr. Is there a perfect setting/bitrate to adhere too? If y’all can answer this for me you’d be my hero’s lol.
10:50 iPhone files look terrible out of camera to me, way too overcooked. However, I do understand that the general public probably prefers the overbaked and unrealistic files.
Would love to see iPhone compared to OM-5 + Kit lens
It would be nice if you would do a comparison with the iPhone 15 Pro Max with ShiftCam Deluxe Kit which comes with the hand grip and seven lenses to do a review on. I happened to have a Nikon D800E with 14-24mm, 24-70mm and the 70-200mm and just purchased the ShiftCam Deluxe Kit which I am waiting for.
Hope you enjoyed Idaho! Longtime viewer from Moscow/Boise here 👋
I'm going to guess that were not that far off for iphone controlling off camera flash.
Here’s a question, do camera / iPhone comparison videos like this come out to get photographers rage views or iPhone customers excited views? 🤔 …or both.
Can I install social media Apps for my Camera?
Great concept for a video - also, nice gilet Chris
And G9 II footage looking crisp 👌
Impressed with what the iPhone can do…is it better for you; well that depends on your use/needs (and perhaps budget). I’ve an older version of have often managed to get a photo or video I would never had had the chance to get with a camera…usually because I was hiking or scrambling and carrying a camera was largely not possible or maybe we were at a dinner and wanted a quick video of our food. iPhone all the way! For convenience hard to beat, especially for social media…for the best photography or video…no, a good camera (pretty much anything made in last few years) and lens. Soon maybe just AI? Nice video guys…and some lovely locations.
For me at this stage as an amateur, the real benefit is with subject separation or telephoto. For the rest, also I try, the phone takes most of the time a better picture. I am moving from Fuji to Full frame with primes (and telephoto later) for this reason.
Phones aren’t real cameras just as they aren’t real pcs .
I even see big differences when I compare my iPhone 15 photos to my RX100VII photos. I seem definitely not the right photographer for smartphone images.