OK, FP Journe vs. Laurent Ferrier!! A change of pace from steel sports watches and Rolex; this is a face-off that I had in mind from the first day I envisioned this series. Which would you choose? Best, Tim
I'm not certain, but we might need to mix it up. I think we've used this track a few times. We don't have the budget to bring in Metallica to score the series, but maybe it's good idea to have a second sound option. Best, Tim
Manna from heaven today Tim. I absolutely adore my CB that I received after a long wait earlier this year. I am now on the hunt for a Galet Borial that you showcased earlier this year. Quite possibly the 2 greatest independent watchmakers today (they are both characters too). You made my Sunday afternoon
YES. these versus videos are spectacular, I love the FP Journe but the LF is amazing also, possibly the 2 nicest blue dials on the market as well? Thank you for doing this!
WatchBox Reviews both you and your production crew deserve all the applause I can muster for putting out consistently excellent content! I would have to go with the FP personally, whilst the Laurent Ferrier has some outstanding features that I love (e.g. case shape, dial and probably my favourite hand set of all time) it's hard to compete with the 3-way combination of tantalum, rose gold movement and an incomparable blue dial. I would definately relish the chance to own either of these stellar pieces.
Love both brands. The CB is my grail watch. I think the LF looks way better in other dial colours and metals, especially the rose gold and black dial combo.Two magnificent watches that prove you don't need a Patek, AP, or Vacheron!
To be sure, I chose blue-vs-blue to make the comparison more direct. That also obscures the reality of multiple dial and case options from Laurent Ferrier; the Journe is a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. Best, Tim
Versus isn't cooked. I just shoot them in a one-take format now. Many, many of them have been made since 2018. The higher production value now goes into the "Collector's Guide" and "How To." Best, Tim
Thanks again Tim, another great vs video. F.P Journe is my pick, an absolute grail watch. Please thank your crew also, the production of your videos are excellent. Already looking forward to your next video
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Probably my favorite episode of Versus thus far. Said it before and I'll say it again-- this is top-notch content. Thanks Tim and the rest of the team. CB wins for me. I've unfortunately not seen either watch in the metal, but I swear the day I get to hold (and own!!) a CB will be a huge milestone (heck, the time I met FP's brother Laurent and his lovely wife was already a milestone). I hope that day comes sooner than later. Cheers!
I've experienced the same of Laurent Ferrier and his son, Christian: true gentlemen. Truth be told, I'd probably prefer to hang with them than with Francois Paul Journe, but the CB is too charismatic to beat on intangibles like that; intangible magic is EXACTLY how the CB won this comparison. Thank you for watching and for leaving these kind comments! Best, Tim
It's quite intriguing how you used "stubborn" to describe FP. Spectators such as myself can only speculate what goes down behind closed doors but hey he makes a hell of a watch!
The CB is another one of those "kicking myself" watches. I could have bought one for 19K a year or so ago. Just like that Nautilus that I could have bought for the same about four years ago still haunts my dreams. One never knows.
I fell in love with tha ice blue dial in the LF. I also love the hands, the marvelous curves in the case, the fonts, and i dont care about the difficulty in reading the time, i just love the beauty of this ghostly blue watch. FP journe is magnificent, but LF is almost like made inside my dreams. This brand watches are made for me, i like them more than any other small super expensive watchmaker. His designs are the perfect combination of art and engineering. Marvelous brand.
The FPJCB is easily one of the top 10 Haute horology watches of all time. Instantly classic design, instantly recognizable, and distinctly beautiful. Need I say more?
Not at all -- you made your case! I went into this expecting to chose the Ferrier on the basis of engineering, finish, and a lower snob-factor, but the Journe won me. It's THE Journe, and it might be THE dress watch of our times. I can imagine a future in which collectors of the year 2039 regard the CB the way we regard the Royal Oak and the Nautilus. Best, Tim
Fully agree to you Tim. CB is the only one in our times from all respects (movement, case, and dial of course) combined to a unique timepiece. Interesting I don't have the same feeling for CS and other FPJ watches but only CB could become a legend in 50 yrs.
You clearly are pretty ignorant to make a statement like this. Apart from fancy materials there really isn’t much that differentiate this watch from another high end haute horology watch. I mean shit have you ever loupe and FP Journe? The finishing on them is terrible for the amount of money they cost.
That F.P. Journe is truly stunning and I can see why so many want to get their hands on one! Give me the Journe over a Laurent Ferrier or H.Moser any and every day of the week!
Top shelf comparison, right here. There may be inconsistency with the 'who' of LF, but there are erratic traits in the 'what' of the CB. The dials vary greatly on the FPJ model (some white, some creamy). Even though a CB should be a staple or cornerstone of any contemporary and modern day collection, I'm vying for the exclusive low-flying LF Galet. The spear hands are classic and the arrow indicators could not compliment them any better. The dial would set off a tan strap like no other and the caseback is a spectacle
Tim. The oscillating weights on the journe balance wheel are identical to those made by vaucher. Is it possible that journe sources his balances from them?
Very good, these watches are at the very top of their game, perfect sizes (40mm, 20mm lug) absolute statements of coolness. The FPJ is a knockout but the auto-micro movement of the LF makes this my pick... the only complaint is I would have added all applied indices in white gold, not just 3, 9, 12, then this watch is perfect.
LF does offer a couple of dial options on the Galet, so you might find that others suit your tastes better. I've known a few collectors who only wear automatics... is it the convenience factor that you like? Best, Tim
automatic is a big draw as less wear and tear on the crown (when wearing) and the micro-rotor gives the movement the great looks of a manual wind. These are timeless pieces of horological artwork.
This is a good point. Also, the specific automatic system used by Laurent Ferrier is a masterclass in old-school watchmaking. The ratchet-and-jeweled-staff system is both shock resistant and smooth like butter. Best, Tim
Excellent choice for a versus as it is not easy to find a contender to the amazing CB. I applaud your objectivity in eventually choosing the Bleu despite your apparent falling out with Francois-Paul.
Tim, Your passion and virtuoso knowledge are probably largely the product of you being an "intense dude with no off switch". I wouldn't watch this channel if you were any other way. Had no idea about the nature of your interaction with FPJ...wish I knew the details...is there an Us Weekly for the watch community? lol. I'm not a fan of either of these watches but for me the FBJ CB landslides the LF. P.S. Thank you for explaining the difference made by curved spring bars. Very helpful.
Thank you, Mark! When I leave work, I'm still thinking about watches, collectors, video themes, and new frontiers. When I was on the outside of the hobby looking in, the dream was to be where I am now. Living a dream should mean sharing the dream, and that's my new passion. Best, Tim
Love them both! But I do think the Galet would have benefitted from blued steel hands, indices, markers, and dial printing in order to add more contrast for greater legibility.
The ferrier is very beautiful to be honest .very ! . But that chronometer blue in my humble opinion is one of the finest examples that high horology is a form of pure art ! It’s a poetic watch with a timeless look it’s stunning! My grail
Very compelling Versus Tim. Imho the LR epitomizes timeless class, beauty , is the more gorgeous timepiece - but which only a select few - George Hamilton - Cesar Romero type men have enough style , good looks and innate sauve to fit such a design. These two men wouldn't wear dive watches - it's just not who they are. I personally couldn't pull off the LR - but there's been allot of times I really wish I could have - . Lol. Very well done Tim and thank you. 👍
Great Head-Head comparison Tim, besides Watchfinder you are becoming a master..., enough info from both of them and also well displayed..., for me it has to be the CB...
Thanks Roberto! I had about 2,000 watch reviews live by the time Watchfinder started shooting its produced watch-centric pieces, and I'd like to think that I had some role in turning them away from their prior RUclips focus on facilities, watchmaking shops, and their buying process. I do respect the quality of the videos that Watchfinder produces, and my goal is to reach that level with Versus while still shooting my 30 regular reviews per week. I'm certain that my team and I can reach Watchfinder levels of production quality, but I'm not sure that they can match my output of one-take showcases. It'll be a tough fight now that Watchfinder has Richemont money, but I know that we're up to the challenge. Best, Tim
I stive to be goofier than the authoritative watch channels (e.g., Hodinkee) and more authoritative than the goofy watch channels (e.g., Archie). Since luxury watches are supposed to be a fun hobby, my goal is to keep it that way! Best, Tim
Does Archie still call everyone a fvkker? First time I saw him, I thought he was interesting, but that didn't last long. I stopped watching him before 2018.
Iam not a FPJ "fan boy", but yeah, I have to agree that in 30 yrs time, the blue is still gonna be a beautiful watch. The whole "basic souvraine cases and dial layout are unmistakable even from across the room, Journe watches look like nothing else.
I bet the “clash with FPJ” was over the thickness of Tim’s JLC Duomette. Great comparison, anyone would be lucky to own either of these. I think I’d take the FPJ as well though.
The Chronometre Bleu - best for timing your next corporate acquisition from your corner office. The Galet - best for a nice, relaxing Saturday morning countryside drive in your classic convertible. A watch with which time just stands still. The JLC Master Ultra Thin blue dial and the UN Classico (blue guilloché dial variant) would be good lower priced variants of these two. I inspected the JLC last week. The soleil effect of its dial is really amazing.
Very true, and these are good alternatives. An ideal matchup would be a championship-round bout between the Journe CB and the new Lange Saxonia Copper-Blue if I can procure an example. Also - despite its 42mm diameter - the similarly priced NOMOS Lambda Tiefblau in white gold is a $20,000 U.S. potential matchup for the Journe or the Ferrier (or the Lange!) if we revisit this blue dress watch theme at a later date. Best, Tim
WatchBox Reviews I can’t wait to see more Lange Saxonia Copper-Blue videos and pics. At least from pictures, it looks like the copper undertones can be seen through the navy dial; spectacular! Since you’re now a PA guy, have you taken a day to go visit RGM in Lancaster? RGM makes spectacular guilloché dials. In the next couple years I’m going to have him make me a bespoke design that I have in mind.
I've seen the Saxonia at SIHH, and if anything, this dial is MORE intense when viewed in person. I have not been out to RGM, but it's on my short-list of things I need to do. Also, I'm interested in learning more about RGM's rumored work with Devon of California. There's been whispers of a watch collaboration that combines Devon's alternative time displays with RGM's mechanical watchmaking. Sometimes, during factory visits, brands will be more open about secrets as long as the discussion is off-the-record. Best, Tim
WatchBox Reviews that Saxonia looks amazing! I can’t wait until you have one on Watchbox Reviews! Very interesting about Devon and RGM. I will definitely look forward to hearing you report on it. RGM could really be a sleeping giant of a boutique maker. I would love to see them get some well-deserved attention. And with your weight in the industry, I’ll bet they’d welcome you to Lancaster with open arms!
WatchBox Reviews the Nomos Lambda - I am quite familiar with Nomos but I was less so with that model until your reply. That prompted me to go have a look; wow, amazing! Like RGM, Nomos is a sleeper as well. Maybe these two makes will be waking up into giants in the next few years; I’d welcome it!
One of a kind comparison for sure - love the shots and the comments, as well as the subtlety of your message. Love the dial on the FP Journe, but as far as back of the watch it needs to go to the LF. In terms of artistic design and arrangements of components alone it just HAS to be the best looking automatic movement.
This was the most difficult call I've had to make for a Versus feature. I went into the comparison thinking that I'd pick the Ferrier, and if you listen to the summary at the end, I even sound like I'm STILL more impressed by the Galet as we were preparing to wrap the narrative. At the last minute, the Journe won on style and intangibles, and I'm not certain that a re-match wouldn't yield a different emotional decision. Best, Tim
Hi Tim! This video was fantastic! As many have already said. . .best one yet. About the CB, just about how long is the wait list for a new one? Also, I hope you get an LF Galet Traveller Enamel Night Blue one day. That watch is absolutely gorgeous!
Hi Tim, fantastic video, and this time, a clash of two of the best dress watches right now, i love the Galet dial color, and depth, but I love everything on the Chronometre Bleu. My choice would be the Chronometre Bleu, but because of the waiting list, i would opt on buying a H Moser & Cie Pioneer Centre Seconds and A Lange & Söhne 1815 for the price of the FP Journe on the pre-owned market. Best, Abdul
Hi Abdul, thanks for watching! Certainly, there is a mystique and allure surrounding the Chronometre Bleu, and the wait list is both a product and cause of that appeal. Best, Tim
Good points Abdul. The CB and micro rotor are the thing now. The question is where will the watch game be in 5 years and who has the horological crystal ball to know what to buy now while it’s available and not over priced.
Isn't the movement not finished by the 'manufacture' is kinda strange? For this fight I prefer the bleu , but I would like to see bleu with my fav VC model , Traditionnelle 82172
Thank you for watching -- and for this kind feedback! There's more to come, and we're looking at an Omega-vs.-Grand Seiko showdown for next Sunday. Best, Tim
If I could only own one watch in the world it would be the FP Journe. An incredibly stunning piece with enough flair to be worn not only casually but of course with a suit.
"Bleeee-uh" 😂😂😂 come on Tim....I respect your knowledge and always on T with how to pronounce.... but sometimes it just comes off as trying too hard. Know your audience. Love this series though.... something Watchbox really needed and you thrive at. With the big step up in watch review game from Watchfinder.... this is a hit.
Yeah, you hit it right on the head. Iam not a Journe fan boy, nor am I a Journe hater. I love the Blue as well. But I think his greatest success, and a rare achievement these days is encapsulated in the phrase "you're never going to mistake it for a Calatrava". And that speaks to Journe's ability as a Watchmaker.
For me, the FPJ by a KO. I'm sure the Ferrier is a great-looking watch, but in the video, it looks like it's suffering from condensation under the glass.
On a different day, I might have chosen the Galet. But at the end of the day, you can't wear it upside down, and I found the dial side of the Journe more compelling. There's no bad option, however, and "BOTH" would be the best choice of all. Best, Tim
Hi Lorenzo, I'd like to feature a Lange 1. I'm struggling to find a watch that's a natural match in style, functions, size, and price. At the moment, I'm planning a Patek 5235G regulator/annual vs. Langematik Perpetual on the basis of size, pre-owned price, and functions. Best, Tim
Sorry, Tim, but you dropped the ball on this one. Here is my assessment. The FPJ is a superb watch; however, the LF is superior with respect to nearly every key horological dimension. For example, the LF's movement technology and finishing is far superior and only a bit short of the type of finishing found in a Philip Dufour movement. To my knowledge, when it comes to automatic movements, only Romain Gauthier and Laurent Ferrier approach that Dufour level of finishing. As to the dials, the LF's is dream-like and more dynamic in its interplay with ambient light. The lighting and camera do not do justice to the LF. Finally, the LF has a more elegant case form with greater coherence with respect to its beautifully sculpted hands. One disturbing aspect of the FPJ is the lack of alignment of its numerals with its track. Hence, the LF wins by a large horological margin!
For me it's the FP journe CB.. but it's not my favourite FPJ. The chronometre a resonance is my favourite. King of grails for me. The 18k calibre is stunning in the flesh.. however, the retail price is assessable for me but notnthe inflated pre owned price. Hence, never to able to purchase a FP Journe.
Love the Journe, but I really don't like the shrunken numerals at 7 and 8 - they look awful. However, the rest of the design is so strong that it's easy to look past. The chrome blue dial, the hands and the movement are all stunning.
Why do you think it looks awful? Anyways these watches are done in FP’s philosophy, and his philosophy says that numerals should either be there, fully, or be completely removed from the dial.
@@Utoob8 Crop the numbers where the small second dial overflows into them (the 7 looks cropped anyway), or let the numbers overflow onto the small second dial. The other option would be to still use shrunken numbers, but increase the font weight so it matches the rest of the dial. To me it looks like they've designed a great dial, and then shrunk the 7 and 8 afterwards. I do still love this watch, it's just a small gripe.
Ah, yes, thank you! I've probably said too much already. The experience was enhanced by my marginal French and FP's decision to probe its limits. Pierre Halimi, Journe's man in the USA, likely would appear like the grim reaper if I elaborated... a gentleman never tells ;-) It was fun, in the end, and FP wound up granting me an interview that we may air some day. Best, Tim
The Patek 6006g would have been a better comparison to the Journe - both are 39mm, 3 Hertz, well-established movements, are base models, have dials radically different from anything else their corresponding manufacturers offer, and are similarly priced.
On price, the pre-owned Journe and the Ferrier are about even. I wouldn't have bothered with the test if we considered only the $17,200 price differential of these watches when purchased new; that's too much separation. As of now, the 6006G is a scarce watch that I haven't had in hand long enough to film in a feature. The black dial and presence of a radial date also frustrate direct comparison to the three-hand Journe. But I am working on a Patek vs. Lange complication feature, so stay tuned! Best, Tim
How come an engineering marvels maker, can’t invent a name for his brand and he just put his full name. That’s why Rolex will always sell more and desired more. Rolex {Royal+luxury}=Rolex. Brilliant and the crown 👑 too.
OK, FP Journe vs. Laurent Ferrier!! A change of pace from steel sports watches and Rolex; this is a face-off that I had in mind from the first day I envisioned this series. Which would you choose?
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What is the theme song? It's very chill!
I'm not certain, but we might need to mix it up. I think we've used this track a few times. We don't have the budget to bring in Metallica to score the series, but maybe it's good idea to have a second sound option.
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Tim
Thank God..many of us are sick of rolex....Thank you for creating an interesting video.
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Manna from heaven today Tim. I absolutely adore my CB that I received after a long wait earlier this year. I am now on the hunt for a Galet Borial that you showcased earlier this year. Quite possibly the 2 greatest independent watchmakers today (they are both characters too).
You made my Sunday afternoon
YES. these versus videos are spectacular, I love the FP Journe but the LF is amazing also, possibly the 2 nicest blue dials on the market as well? Thank you for doing this!
Thank you, Adam! Your kind feedback means a great deal to me and my crew. Which watch would you pick?
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews both you and your production crew deserve all the applause I can muster for putting out consistently excellent content! I would have to go with the FP personally, whilst the Laurent Ferrier has some outstanding features that I love (e.g. case shape, dial and probably my favourite hand set of all time) it's hard to compete with the 3-way combination of tantalum, rose gold movement and an incomparable blue dial. I would definately relish the chance to own either of these stellar pieces.
Love both brands. The CB is my grail watch. I think the LF looks way better in other dial colours and metals, especially the rose gold and black dial combo.Two magnificent watches that prove you don't need a Patek, AP, or Vacheron!
To be sure, I chose blue-vs-blue to make the comparison more direct. That also obscures the reality of multiple dial and case options from Laurent Ferrier; the Journe is a take-it-or-leave-it proposition.
Best,
Tim
R.I.P. versus. A highlight of 2018. Labor intensive to be sure; I enjoyed them. This one is a standout to me.
Thanks zzeuss87 - how about those dials?!?
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Versus isn't cooked. I just shoot them in a one-take format now. Many, many of them have been made since 2018. The higher production value now goes into the "Collector's Guide" and "How To."
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews Thanks for the reply. Still the best content on the watchtube.
I feel like your lightning doesn't do the Laurent Ferrier's dial justice. But great review nonetheless
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Luciole Dizerot very true in this case
Thanks again Tim, another great vs video. F.P Journe is my pick, an absolute grail watch. Please thank your crew also, the production of your videos are excellent. Already looking forward to your next video
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Thanks Tim. This was a great comparison of two fantastic independent watchmakers.
Probably my favorite episode of Versus thus far. Said it before and I'll say it again-- this is top-notch content. Thanks Tim and the rest of the team. CB wins for me.
I've unfortunately not seen either watch in the metal, but I swear the day I get to hold (and own!!) a CB will be a huge milestone (heck, the time I met FP's brother Laurent and his lovely wife was already a milestone). I hope that day comes sooner than later. Cheers!
I've experienced the same of Laurent Ferrier and his son, Christian: true gentlemen. Truth be told, I'd probably prefer to hang with them than with Francois Paul Journe, but the CB is too charismatic to beat on intangibles like that; intangible magic is EXACTLY how the CB won this comparison. Thank you for watching and for leaving these kind comments!
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Tim
It's quite intriguing how you used "stubborn" to describe FP. Spectators such as myself can only speculate what goes down behind closed doors but hey he makes a hell of a watch!
The CB is another one of those "kicking myself" watches. I could have bought one for 19K a year or so ago. Just like that Nautilus that I could have bought for the same about four years ago still haunts my dreams. One never knows.
I have that same feeling about a couple of cars (Masterati Ghibili 4.9 liter, DeTomaso Mangusa, Amphicar, Lambo Jalpa).
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Tim
Could of bought it for 17 k even... a year ago
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I fell in love with tha ice blue dial in the LF. I also love the hands, the marvelous curves in the case, the fonts, and i dont care about the difficulty in reading the time, i just love the beauty of this ghostly blue watch. FP journe is magnificent, but LF is almost like made inside my dreams. This brand watches are made for me, i like them more than any other small super expensive watchmaker. His designs are the perfect combination of art and engineering. Marvelous brand.
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The FPJCB is easily one of the top 10 Haute horology watches of all time. Instantly classic design, instantly recognizable, and distinctly beautiful. Need I say more?
Not at all -- you made your case! I went into this expecting to chose the Ferrier on the basis of engineering, finish, and a lower snob-factor, but the Journe won me. It's THE Journe, and it might be THE dress watch of our times. I can imagine a future in which collectors of the year 2039 regard the CB the way we regard the Royal Oak and the Nautilus.
Best,
Tim
Fully agree to you Tim. CB is the only one in our times from all respects (movement, case, and dial of course) combined to a unique timepiece. Interesting I don't have the same feeling for CS and other FPJ watches but only CB could become a legend in 50 yrs.
You clearly are pretty ignorant to make a statement like this. Apart from fancy materials there really isn’t much that differentiate this watch from another high end haute horology watch. I mean shit have you ever loupe and FP Journe? The finishing on them is terrible for the amount of money they cost.
That F.P. Journe is truly stunning and I can see why so many want to get their hands on one! Give me the Journe over a Laurent Ferrier or H.Moser any and every day of the week!
Top shelf comparison, right here.
There may be inconsistency with the 'who' of LF, but there are erratic traits in the 'what' of the CB. The dials vary greatly on the FPJ model (some white, some creamy).
Even though a CB should be a staple or cornerstone of any contemporary and modern day collection, I'm vying for the exclusive low-flying LF Galet. The spear hands are classic and the arrow indicators could not compliment them any better. The dial would set off a tan strap like no other and the caseback is a spectacle
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CB for me, but if I win the lottery, I'll get both :-) BTW one of the best versus. Keep them coming Tim!
Tim. The oscillating weights on the journe balance wheel are identical to those made by vaucher. Is it possible that journe sources his balances from them?
Very good, these watches are at the very top of their game, perfect sizes (40mm, 20mm lug) absolute statements of coolness. The FPJ is a knockout but the auto-micro movement of the LF makes this my pick... the only complaint is I would have added all applied indices in white gold, not just 3, 9, 12, then this watch is perfect.
LF does offer a couple of dial options on the Galet, so you might find that others suit your tastes better. I've known a few collectors who only wear automatics... is it the convenience factor that you like?
Best,
Tim
automatic is a big draw as less wear and tear on the crown (when wearing) and the micro-rotor gives the movement the great looks of a manual wind. These are timeless pieces of horological artwork.
This is a good point. Also, the specific automatic system used by Laurent Ferrier is a masterclass in old-school watchmaking. The ratchet-and-jeweled-staff system is both shock resistant and smooth like butter.
Best,
Tim
Tim, what a great timing! You're awesome! I have been looking for a good review for these pieces. Cheers and keep up your wonderful work!!!
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Excellent choice for a versus as it is not easy to find a contender to the amazing CB. I applaud your objectivity in eventually choosing the Bleu despite your apparent falling out with Francois-Paul.
It's always best to keep it professional and objective when we do our videos!
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I notice at 2:52 that the number 11 on the FP is not lined up with the marker on the radial track, it is just slightly to the left - or is it just me?
FPJ for that shade of blue but LF for the burst :3
Tim,
Your passion and virtuoso knowledge are probably largely the product of you being an "intense dude with no off switch". I wouldn't watch this channel if you were any other way. Had no idea about the nature of your interaction with FPJ...wish I knew the details...is there an Us Weekly for the watch community? lol. I'm not a fan of either of these watches but for me the FBJ CB landslides the LF.
P.S. Thank you for explaining the difference made by curved spring bars. Very helpful.
Thank you, Mark! When I leave work, I'm still thinking about watches, collectors, video themes, and new frontiers. When I was on the outside of the hobby looking in, the dream was to be where I am now. Living a dream should mean sharing the dream, and that's my new passion.
Best,
Tim
Can you make comparison between FP Elegant and PP Aquanaut? I am tempting to buy this FP. What is your thoughts?
Love them both! But I do think the Galet would have benefitted from blued steel hands, indices, markers, and dial printing in order to add more contrast for greater legibility.
The ferrier is very beautiful to be honest .very ! . But that chronometer blue in my humble opinion is one of the finest examples that high horology is a form of pure art ! It’s a poetic watch with a timeless look it’s stunning! My grail
No issue at all! The Chronomete Blue is art! 🔵
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Very compelling Versus Tim. Imho the LR epitomizes timeless class, beauty , is the more gorgeous timepiece - but which only a select few - George Hamilton - Cesar Romero type men have enough style , good looks and innate sauve to fit such a design. These two men wouldn't wear dive watches - it's just not who they are. I personally couldn't pull off the LR - but there's been allot of times I really wish I could have - . Lol. Very well done Tim and thank you. 👍
Great Head-Head comparison Tim, besides Watchfinder you are becoming a master..., enough info from both of them and also well displayed..., for me it has to be the CB...
Thanks Roberto! I had about 2,000 watch reviews live by the time Watchfinder started shooting its produced watch-centric pieces, and I'd like to think that I had some role in turning them away from their prior RUclips focus on facilities, watchmaking shops, and their buying process.
I do respect the quality of the videos that Watchfinder produces, and my goal is to reach that level with Versus while still shooting my 30 regular reviews per week. I'm certain that my team and I can reach Watchfinder levels of production quality, but I'm not sure that they can match my output of one-take showcases.
It'll be a tough fight now that Watchfinder has Richemont money, but I know that we're up to the challenge.
Best,
Tim
My favorite Journe and LF!
Threatening to kill the viewer shouldn't normally work, but Tim pulls it off ;) Once again, great video Tim!
I stive to be goofier than the authoritative watch channels (e.g., Hodinkee) and more authoritative than the goofy watch channels (e.g., Archie). Since luxury watches are supposed to be a fun hobby, my goal is to keep it that way!
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Tim
This! Also more authoritative than the authoritative watch channels.
I also enjoy your low key beef with FP himself, Tim 😜👍🏾
Does Archie still call everyone a fvkker? First time I saw him, I thought he was interesting, but that didn't last long. I stopped watching him before 2018.
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Iam not a FPJ "fan boy", but yeah, I have to agree that in 30 yrs time, the blue is still gonna be a beautiful watch. The whole "basic souvraine cases and dial layout are unmistakable even from across the room, Journe watches look like nothing else.
Awesome,,,,, didn't miss the show! My pick J.P Journe for sure.
Thanks for watching, Alvin! Even though I'm not always a fan of FP himself, this Chronometre Bleu wins on style points for me, too.
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Tim
I love them both. Beautiful watches.
I bet the “clash with FPJ” was over the thickness of Tim’s JLC Duomette. Great comparison, anyone would be lucky to own either of these. I think I’d take the FPJ as well though.
How manny?
Hey Tim when can we expect 2K res on your videos
The Chronometre Bleu - best for timing your next corporate acquisition from your corner office.
The Galet - best for a nice, relaxing Saturday morning countryside drive in your classic convertible. A watch with which time just stands still.
The JLC Master Ultra Thin blue dial and the UN Classico (blue guilloché dial variant) would be good lower priced variants of these two. I inspected the JLC last week. The soleil effect of its dial is really amazing.
Very true, and these are good alternatives. An ideal matchup would be a championship-round bout between the Journe CB and the new Lange Saxonia Copper-Blue if I can procure an example. Also - despite its 42mm diameter - the similarly priced NOMOS Lambda Tiefblau in white gold is a $20,000 U.S. potential matchup for the Journe or the Ferrier (or the Lange!) if we revisit this blue dress watch theme at a later date.
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews I can’t wait to see more Lange Saxonia Copper-Blue videos and pics. At least from pictures, it looks like the copper undertones can be seen through the navy dial; spectacular!
Since you’re now a PA guy, have you taken a day to go visit RGM in Lancaster? RGM makes spectacular guilloché dials. In the next couple years I’m going to have him make me a bespoke design that I have in mind.
I've seen the Saxonia at SIHH, and if anything, this dial is MORE intense when viewed in person. I have not been out to RGM, but it's on my short-list of things I need to do. Also, I'm interested in learning more about RGM's rumored work with Devon of California. There's been whispers of a watch collaboration that combines Devon's alternative time displays with RGM's mechanical watchmaking. Sometimes, during factory visits, brands will be more open about secrets as long as the discussion is off-the-record.
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews that Saxonia looks amazing! I can’t wait until you have one on Watchbox Reviews! Very interesting about Devon and RGM. I will definitely look forward to hearing you report on it. RGM could really be a sleeping giant of a boutique maker. I would love to see them get some well-deserved attention. And with your weight in the industry, I’ll bet they’d welcome you to Lancaster with open arms!
WatchBox Reviews the Nomos Lambda - I am quite familiar with Nomos but I was less so with that model until your reply. That prompted me to go have a look; wow, amazing! Like RGM, Nomos is a sleeper as well. Maybe these two makes will be waking up into giants in the next few years; I’d welcome it!
So... the CB is the clear winner. Where would you fit the Lange 1815 in with these two beauties?
It’s like comparing a nice Lexus to high end independent luxury car manufacturer. They make thousands of 1815 variants a year.
One of a kind comparison for sure - love the shots and the comments, as well as the subtlety of your message. Love the dial on the FP Journe, but as far as back of the watch it needs to go to the LF. In terms of artistic design and arrangements of components alone it just HAS to be the best looking automatic movement.
This was the most difficult call I've had to make for a Versus feature. I went into the comparison thinking that I'd pick the Ferrier, and if you listen to the summary at the end, I even sound like I'm STILL more impressed by the Galet as we were preparing to wrap the narrative. At the last minute, the Journe won on style and intangibles, and I'm not certain that a re-match wouldn't yield a different emotional decision.
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Tim
Hi Tim! This video was fantastic! As many have already said. . .best one yet. About the CB, just about how long is the wait list for a new one? Also, I hope you get an LF Galet Traveller Enamel Night Blue one day. That watch is absolutely gorgeous!
Hi Tim, fantastic video, and this time, a clash of two of the best dress watches right now, i love the Galet dial color, and depth, but I love everything on the Chronometre Bleu. My choice would be the Chronometre Bleu, but because of the waiting list, i would opt on buying a H Moser & Cie Pioneer Centre Seconds and A Lange & Söhne 1815 for the price of the FP Journe on the pre-owned market.
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Abdul
Hi Abdul, thanks for watching! Certainly, there is a mystique and allure surrounding the Chronometre Bleu, and the wait list is both a product and cause of that appeal.
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Tim
Abdul Rahman Abdel Razek I love Moser’s fumé dials! Good on you for bringing H. Moser up here; excellent choice!
Good points Abdul. The CB and micro rotor are the thing now. The question is where will the watch game be in 5 years and who has the horological crystal ball to know what to buy now while it’s available and not over priced.
i wonder what happened with tim and Journe
Amazing video, for me FP. Journe is the best 🏆👏🔥
We're In accord; there Journe has too much power and charisma for me to choose the more technically fascinating Galet.
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Tim
Great video, great concept as well.
I vote for Chopard LUC 16/1860. 1/3 the price of both of these with finishing that isn't too far off!
Isn't the movement not finished by the 'manufacture' is kinda strange? For this fight I prefer the bleu , but I would like to see bleu with my fav VC model , Traditionnelle 82172
LOVE these videos
Thank you for watching -- and for this kind feedback! There's more to come, and we're looking at an Omega-vs.-Grand Seiko showdown for next Sunday.
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Tim
If I could only own one watch in the world it would be the FP Journe. An incredibly stunning piece with enough flair to be worn not only casually but of course with a suit.
i like both, i also like the dank blue dial from the IW5035-02
"Bleeee-uh" 😂😂😂 come on Tim....I respect your knowledge and always on T with how to pronounce.... but sometimes it just comes off as trying too hard. Know your audience. Love this series though.... something Watchbox really needed and you thrive at. With the big step up in watch review game from Watchfinder.... this is a hit.
Great review Tim. 👍
Hah, the chronograph bleu was about 31k USD two years ago... look at the prices now
Damn I'd love to hear the story when Tim classed with FP.
Yeah, you hit it right on the head. Iam not a Journe fan boy, nor am I a Journe hater. I love the Blue as well. But I think his greatest success, and a rare achievement these days is encapsulated in the phrase "you're never going to mistake it for a Calatrava". And that speaks to Journe's ability as a Watchmaker.
For me, the FPJ by a KO.
I'm sure the Ferrier is a great-looking watch, but in the video, it looks like it's suffering from condensation under the glass.
Take the FP Journe!!!!
LF for me. The movement is unreal.
On a different day, I might have chosen the Galet. But at the end of the day, you can't wear it upside down, and I found the dial side of the Journe more compelling. There's no bad option, however, and "BOTH" would be the best choice of all.
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Tim
What happened with you and FPJ? Was he rude to you?
Preciosos ambos e igualmente inasequibles
How about a battle of the cheapies? Timex vs Casio. Nice backyard scrap.
I don't always have watches like that, but anything is possible.
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Tim
Please vs Lange 1
Hi Lorenzo, I'd like to feature a Lange 1. I'm struggling to find a watch that's a natural match in style, functions, size, and price. At the moment, I'm planning a Patek 5235G regulator/annual vs. Langematik Perpetual on the basis of size, pre-owned price, and functions.
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Tim
Sorry, Tim, but you dropped the ball on this one. Here is my assessment. The FPJ is a superb watch; however, the LF is superior with respect to nearly every key horological dimension. For example, the LF's movement technology and finishing is far superior and only a bit short of the type of finishing found in a Philip Dufour movement. To my knowledge, when it comes to automatic movements, only Romain Gauthier and Laurent Ferrier approach that Dufour level of finishing. As to the dials, the LF's is dream-like and more dynamic in its interplay with ambient light. The lighting and camera do not do justice to the LF. Finally, the LF has a more elegant case form with greater coherence with respect to its beautifully sculpted hands. One disturbing aspect of the FPJ is the lack of alignment of its numerals with its track. Hence, the LF wins by a large horological margin!
Nope LF looks dull
Tell us about your class with FP
He took a class with FPJ?
@@richardr8753 sorry, type o , I meant to say clash
I prefer the classic in white
Laurent all the way very nice
no contest here , definitely FP Journe
For me it's the FP journe CB.. but it's not my favourite FPJ. The chronometre a resonance is my favourite. King of grails for me. The 18k calibre is stunning in the flesh.. however, the retail price is assessable for me but notnthe inflated pre owned price. Hence, never to able to purchase a FP Journe.
Love the Journe, but I really don't like the shrunken numerals at 7 and 8 - they look awful. However, the rest of the design is so strong that it's easy to look past. The chrome blue dial, the hands and the movement are all stunning.
Why do you think it looks awful? Anyways these watches are done in FP’s philosophy, and his philosophy says that numerals should either be there, fully, or be completely removed from the dial.
@@Utoob8 it's proportionally wrong, it's bad design. I know it's a Journe quirk, but it's not one I like.
@@nodidog What do you suggest is a better alternative then?
@@Utoob8 Crop the numbers where the small second dial overflows into them (the 7 looks cropped anyway), or let the numbers overflow onto the small second dial. The other option would be to still use shrunken numbers, but increase the font weight so it matches the rest of the dial. To me it looks like they've designed a great dial, and then shrunk the 7 and 8 afterwards. I do still love this watch, it's just a small gripe.
Please elaborate on that clash of titans...
I need a bit more to work with. Are you saying that you want the video to be longer?
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews "The last time I met F. P. Journe, we clashed a bit..."
Ah, yes, thank you! I've probably said too much already. The experience was enhanced by my marginal French and FP's decision to probe its limits. Pierre Halimi, Journe's man in the USA, likely would appear like the grim reaper if I elaborated... a gentleman never tells ;-) It was fun, in the end, and FP wound up granting me an interview that we may air some day.
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Tim
Please post the interview!
Tim, please do air that interview!
The CB is now trading for $100K..........we have a winner ✊🏻
The Patek 6006g would have been a better comparison to the Journe - both are 39mm, 3 Hertz, well-established movements, are base models, have dials radically different from anything else their corresponding manufacturers offer, and are similarly priced.
On price, the pre-owned Journe and the Ferrier are about even. I wouldn't have bothered with the test if we considered only the $17,200 price differential of these watches when purchased new; that's too much separation. As of now, the 6006G is a scarce watch that I haven't had in hand long enough to film in a feature. The black dial and presence of a radial date also frustrate direct comparison to the three-hand Journe. But I am working on a Patek vs. Lange complication feature, so stay tuned!
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Tim
F.P Journe
Journe’s prowess in engineering and artistic legibility are tough to beat, LF fought admirably though.
Journe all the way!
FPJ and it’s not even close.
amazing music on the backgound. J dilla watchlovers
This is not balance, Laurent Ferrier is better than FPJ
FPJ. FPJ. FPJ!!!!!!
How come an engineering marvels maker, can’t invent a name for his brand and he just put his full name. That’s why Rolex will always sell more and desired more. Rolex {Royal+luxury}=Rolex. Brilliant and the crown 👑 too.
CALATRAVA for the WIN!