How to Win Using Less Power (354W Beats 419W)
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2023
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To your questions Jeff- my plan with us in the 2 man break was to wear you down working for the break to stay away while thinking we'd most likely be caught by Matt towing the field up... thus tiring Matt and you out in the process... and hoping EJ would be sitting in the whole time fresh and ready to uncork the winning sprint. What really killed our break earlier than I had hoped was the box truck turning right while the parked dump truck blocked turn 1 causing us slow to 13mph.
I think EJ is has a unique problem because his power is so high he doesn't feel the consequences of not being efficient. When you can only push like 230 normalized you learn how to suck wheels quickly but when you don't have to it's a different ball game.
yep, we've talked about this a lot on the channel, he'll start to learn when he starts to lose, which is why I'm urging him to upgrade as soon as he has the points.
@@NorCalCycling Let him race in a way too big parachute jacket, he'll learn to stay out of the wind haha. level that playing field ;)
FYI Jeff: EJ is not riding poorly in these races. He is doing stealth HIIT sessions during the races. No wonder he pushes 1700w
Let's play NorCal Cycling Bingo: "Let's go!!!", "Hindsight is 20/20", "Don't chase your teammates", "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast", "Ketones bro!"
Add one more... "consistency is efficiency" hahahaha
There we go....NCC T-shirt/Kitmerch line ready....Let's Go!!!
"and i just dump it"
I'm not going to lie.
"You're just out in the wind" or any variation thereof
Win is a win ! Great race fellas. Don't beat yourself up EJ we know every race you are learning the bits and pieces and we all can't wait to see your progress as the season goes on.
Weekday rogue crits are the heart of American bike racing. We had one in Austin (the Tuesday Nighter) east of town, and it was the craziest, funnest racing I ever did. I will always remember the ride out to the course with my friends, the intensity of the race, and the ride back into town telling war stories. And, yeah, we had our share of finishes disrupted by traffic -- part of the game. This was a win for EJ simply because it was a win for EJ. No "woulda, coulda, shoulda's" in weekday crit racing! :)
Nice race, EJ wins by making smart use of his environment to cut Jeff off 👌👌
*sidenote: if anything, you would draw the finish line earlier in case of a disrupted sprint ( imo ) which would mean EJ still wins ;)
Looking forward to many rematches tho
Mark played that perfectly at 8:20 👌 I'm not closing that for you Jeff 🤣
Beast mode is accumulating minutes of time above 1000w. Awesome
Great video as always! An interesting exercise for EJ would be to set a cap on how much power he can do until the last lap 😆
Love all of Jeff’s analysis and insight. He’s so smooth. Love EJ CAM pic. LOL.
I guess hindsight is 420. Or 419, ya know...
@Jason WATTS JOINTS/SECOND
@Jason yes, yes indeed.
EJ has Pro power and covering all the attacks he can in practice races will build his race endurance. Keep after it EJ!
Great video. Love seeing EJ's progression, now learning how to race on a team. Feel like this race/video will be a good turning point moment and the team race strategy will sink in. Use your insane watts when it matters, the finale🔥🔥! And that move around the 13km mark was great - "wind brake" Jeff make him close the gap while sitting on his wheel. Attack him over the top next time when he bridges
Jeff the teacher… love it
im liking these new video openings
Sucks the way it ended. Would’ve been a nice showdown. Grats to you both! #hindsightis2020 👏
4:26 EJ’s cam is Velokings as well, blurs out the Team Mike’s Bikes logo😁
I know Jeff’s skills are top notch but that rider at the end could’ve been a bad scenario. Don’t doubt that the sprint would’ve probably gone to Jeff just cause ej was probably tired, but if the truck wasn’t there that guy at the end swerving would’ve been a problem. But nice coverage ej! Once ej figures out how to conserve energy he’ll be a marked menace. 🤙🏽
So much fun, and watts!
I like how Jeff critiques EJ the whole time, yet the humble EJ wins the race, whilst simultaneously building more strength and endurance by twisting the crank arms into oblivion the entire time. How does one progress riding easy all the time? In drag racing, torque, endurance, and consistency wins races. The same is evident here. Good job EJ, I want to see you decimate Jeff in that rematch by throwing strategy out the window and going full magilla gorilla on the crankset.
Dude that aero bar on Jeff’s cervelo is a fricking blade
Ej has the potentialto be one of the best riders fr sith this powerwithout gdttinf tired
Hey just out of curiosity, could you put up temperature numbers? Or did I miss it in the commentary? I'm just curious how much that impacts a race, and Alviso is one of the most consistent data sets I see on the internet.
I know for certain I would have shut it down for truck also but, EJ looked ready for it. Next week, a familiar refrain in my competitive days.
Saludos que me recomienda para mejorar mi srpirt solo llego no mas a 45 km y no puedo llegar a los 50 saludos ya casi vi todos sus vidoes
Nice race.. That kid has crazy numbers... He was at least second, and with his numbers, I don't think you have a chance Jeff, no matter the strategy .
EJ crossed the line first, that makes him the WINNER
Money well spent to that box truck driver 😉
I like EJ but he reminded me of Forest Gump at the end of the race. When he is playing football and just stands on the court till someone goves him the ball and says RUN. The. He runs and continues running and just runs out the building :D
EJ sprints with 800m to go 😄
Still impressive power
OMG that thumbnail photo looks like massive slick mtb tires 😂
Ooof. Payson and Justin stiring the pot on his Adventure Stache podcast!!
(The content is ironic given that it’s the first one for over a year I’ve felt interested in listening to).
Jeff, how do you guys know (how does everyone keep track of )how many laps, kms to go in this type of unsanctioned races?
Top shit guys. More of that please. P.S. Matt is the man haha
If there's one thing EJ got right on positioning, it's by staying on the right side on the final sprint. If he moved just a bit more to the left, Jeff wouldve taken advantage.
Are these every Tuesday? At what time and can any level join?
EJ finished with the higher numbers (419W) so that puts it down as a win to him ;)
It's actually a win to everyone who didn't get cleaned up by the truck.
Saludos desde mexico
Love the videos! ❤ Quick question - I notice EJ is running oval chainrings. Has this been taken into account with the power figures that are shown given that non-round rings can cause power meters to over-read? It might be worth noting esp when doing vids with both your perspectives together as it’ll help us to better understand the comparison.
he makes the same power on his indoor (round) powermeter, and his previous stages (round) powermeter.
@@NorCalCycling 🤯🤯🤯
How does the new Supersix compare to the current current Tcr?
Jeff....How does the Cervelo compare to the Tcr?
Jeff would’ve won for sure, he was about to slingshot but a great race by all
Are you coming to the WNC tonight?
What's the w/kg comparison?
Choice lines can be taken in the front to avoid trucks and such. EJ was in the right place after all.
we stop racing at Alviso when there's interference by traffic, not worth the risk
@@NorCalCycling yeah, that’s a good idea. Was just trying to make a joke. Unsuccessfully looks like.
Great race recap as always. I feel for EJ having to watch his erroneous take on the strategy critiqued and played out over and over and... It's sort of like that saying: "Hindsight is 20/20." I definitely would say shutting it down was the right move at the end. (Never trust a cager!) I can't blame others for not however with all that adrenaline pumping. Definitely not a "win" I'd be proud of so it's great you guys have such a relaxed field there.
I'm going to make a bolt prediction. EJ's power meter is not reading correctly. You should be blowing the field away at an NP of 419. I'd like to see a heads up, no drafting sprint with Jeff and EJ and compare the power numbers. My guess is that Jeff will have worse numbers while winning the sprint.
I would be interested in this too, but there's a big variable it wouldn't cover -- CdA from position while sprinting. I think EJ's surges heavily skew up NP without making him much faster.
Go to second channel where Jeff was trying Kom's on strava. On a short steep hill he just took off like guys we're standing
Well he was first through the last corner, so that means he won, right? Right?
I’m not surprised EJ is strong. When you spend time at 250#, your legs will be strong.
(Yes, it takes some time to learn the muscular coordination to push on the pedals, but one way to get a base of muscular size & strength is to be heavy.)
Interested why you went left instead of right to get more time in the draft behind EJ? (Q from a layman who doesn't know much about sprinting)
if he shifts to the right i'm boxed in
@@NorCalCycling thanks, i see it now. If you don't both pull away from the 3rd guy you can't get around EJ anyway
whod like to see jeff and ej on gravel race
Is it legal to draft off those massive trucks passing by during a race
EJ: crazy watts & crazy what's?
Sprint like Cavendish and sprint while your chin is glued to the stem
only in Cali is a group ride repeatedly referred to as a race. not sanctioned, road open to traffic, no bib numbers, no officials, but yeah it's a race 😂😂😂
I think EJ had you regardless of the truck.
Drinking game. Every time you hear DUDE take a drink!!😅
EJ have u ever thought about braiding your hair to be more aero?
Jeff wouldve taken that. Strategy > Raw Power.
EJ made some many mistakes… then wins the race. What a beast.
and when all else fails empty the tank!
EJ is not ready for the montony that success requires.
EJ, you can charge my Tesla on your trainer rides. Do we have a deal??
What bike company sponsors Mikes bikes now? It's been awhile I just know they stopped selling specialized
I think it’s giant
They ride Cervelo
@@tombladon8064 it was last year
Mikes bikes was purchased by PON Holding which owns several bike brands including Cervelo, which is what the team rides this year. We're on the Soloist with some upgrades thanks to Zipp, continental, etc..
Man i feel like it's so unsafe to race on a road that's not closed. This is a terrible accident waiting to happen. Only takes one car to make a small mistake and people die. What the f? This would never happen in Europe like this, racing on open road.
Pain is the sensation of stupidity leaving your body
That's crazy with the truck sitting there for no reason on the last lap
the truck driver was not alerted to the bike race happening or maybe he was and decided to park right at the "finish line"
As always, love the content. EJ... please, it's STRATEGY, not STRAGEDY (ie. no such word).
Watch EJ's power meter not being accurate this whole time and he actually has a lower ftp.
Ahh that was so painful to watch haha
Call me crazy but I don't think Jeff would have come around EJ. That might just be me having false hope in EJ because he is awesome, but I like to think he could have held jeff off.
“I like this idea” (EJ) 😂
EJ won
SUCCESS REQUIRES A BORING CONSISTENCY.
12:20 no reason to chase him there. No reason to attack.
Pea brain EJ lmao. Imagine EJ Had The Race smarts of Jeff
Clear win for EJ. The truck was there for everyone to see. Jeff, you waited too long.
we all saw it, we all stopped racing
how the fuck is he doing those kinda normalised number ... like yea his sprint is good but his FTP is fuckin unreal for the amount of time hes been cycling
Weight loss and genetics
first!
this man was infact first 🥇
EJ needs to watch some lantern rouge highlights from the last 3 years. Guy has no race smarts in the slightest!
Man this is getting old fast, EJ needs to learn to race intelligently, high power number bragging is getting so boring.
@7:25 "I think you could win enormous races" ............(if it weren't for the fact that every aspect of your racing needs major work).
The fact is he just moved up way too fast. Dude barely knows how to ride in a group and he's racing against guys who've been doing it for years. He should have hung back in Cat5 or 4 for a lot longer, learned how to actually race, and then moved up. I stopped watching his channel because every video is the same...."hindsight is 20/20" right before he lets a major gap open up, finds himself on the front with 1,000 meters to go, or opens his sprint way too early. I'm sorry but I can't waste any more time watching someone who is apparently unable to learn anything from race to race. And no, you didn't beat Jeff. Not at the end of the race, not in any part of the race.
shep this is bad advice because if he hangs back he'll continue not learning and just relying on his fitness. He needs to cat up and start losing races because his positioning, cornering, and general race craft decision making is still bad (which is reasonable, he's still new, so chill). He's not dangerously bad he's just really inefficient. in higher categories like p12 he won't be able to just rely on his fitness, it'll force him to learn or lose.
@@NorCalCycling I think it was said that EJ has been at this for less than a year? I feel like some people aren't understanding the timeline and just how much he's taken on in such a short amount of time. Shep does need to chill though... always a vibe killer in the comments lol.
Too much talking…. Not applying the lessons. UNFOLLOW