NEVER Chase Your Teammates... Except Sometimes - (Merced Criterium p/1/2)

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  • Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2024

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  • @gmen1305
    @gmen1305 Год назад +93

    Just goes to show how flexible one needs to be in a race with their plans and make changes on the fly - it's usually not the strongest rider that typically wins, it's the smartest - looking forward to when your fitness hits peak Jeff....

  • @theupperechelon7634
    @theupperechelon7634 Год назад +12

    Imagine sitting in the peloton being one of seven people that lapped the rest and then, suddenly, the entire Team Mike's Bikes ride away. Not together but one by one. The slap in the face.

  • @knlprez
    @knlprez Год назад +17

    EJ killing it with the shots and editing!

  • @JoshuaTHawkins
    @JoshuaTHawkins Год назад +12

    Most of the time the plan goes out the window when the officials call a prime on the first lap. 😂 Amazing team tactics! Certainly helps to have a couple of absolute hitters as teammates, too. Great work, Jeff, Ryan, and Sean! And great edit, EJ!

  • @MichaelIhde69
    @MichaelIhde69 Год назад +34

    good lord! sean is 18 years old?! i had no idea. he has so much talent, i’m excited to see what’s in store for him

  • @fid29801
    @fid29801 Год назад +5

    Wow! This is something different on so many levels. Is so strange for me to see the hole field back together after the guys in the front are actually way ahead. Other than that is was a masterclass on teamwork. Kudos to all of you. And congrats to Sean. I never expected this but the videos got even better lately.

  • @garrett6389
    @garrett6389 Год назад +29

    Boys I’m from the east bay and I can’t tell you how much I’ve enjoyed this series and your content in general. Thank you for being such awesome representatives and keep racing hard!

  • @vuevuevue2002
    @vuevuevue2002 Год назад +5

    Absolutely loving the volume and quality of norcalcycling videos lately.

  • @Zen.416
    @Zen.416 Год назад +14

    Great job Jeff! No one is doing anything close to race coverage and recaps! You make it look easy!

  • @jasongardiner7455
    @jasongardiner7455 Год назад +35

    Absolute banger. Great to see such a dynamic race and your thoughts behind each move. Well done.

  • @LunaticX_
    @LunaticX_ Год назад +7

    I actually saw this Race documented by another racer (ChainlessTV) in this which also showcased how strong the Mikes Bikes team was on the day. Good perspective from an alternate angle on how good you guys are. Can't wait for EJ to get up there with you, kid is amazing.

  • @SWells679
    @SWells679 Год назад +7

    "Great day to have a good day!" Love it.
    Also, I love the off-bike footage w/over commentary. Jeff, I think you & EJ are onto something... RUclipswise.

  • @VoxyGon
    @VoxyGon Год назад +10

    Definitely an interesting race, love seeing different ways teammates can contribute when a podium finish isn't in the cards.

  • @SuperDaveKoesel
    @SuperDaveKoesel Год назад +1

    I was SOOOO thrilled with a $100 prime to start the race. Gorman played me perfectly here and not only did I come up short on the $100 I was on the back foot when the fireworks split the group. As I told you about 1/3 of the way in. "You're holding all the cards". Nice win MB.

  • @ianiscaratti4924
    @ianiscaratti4924 Год назад +7

    the crits i ride here in switzerland or europe work like this.
    on serious races there is a motorbike or car in front and when the car is behind you you have to go out even before beeing laped.
    on trainingcrits you are allowed to stay in the field when laped but you will get disqialified if you go to the front, help someone, close gaps or just do anything that could change the outcome. to me this makes sense because otherwise imagine this: a team with 7 riders could have 3 riders chill and getting lapped all the time. the other 3 race on the front and close all the gaps for the forth rider. in the second halt of the race the 3 x time laped rider start to close gaps and they can do it easily because they are still fresh. or you could even do it every 3 laps a bit like in ice hockey.

    • @youngloudandscotty
      @youngloudandscotty Год назад +4

      And then the losing riders just post a dnf when they're exhausted from their efforts, or just take it easy finishing the race, while knowing their teammates met success. I was thinking about this as he was explaining what he was doing towards the end of the video. Seems like an unfair exploit, and I think the rules you have in Switzerland are better.

    • @ianiscaratti4924
      @ianiscaratti4924 Год назад

      @@youngloudandscotty maby we understood something wrong because if it is like this not getting laped is stupid from a team tactics perspective. Imagine a maddison track racie where both riders would ride together like in a breakaway. This would be an extreme dissadvantage against the other teams where one rider is able to rest.

  • @christianramos3828
    @christianramos3828 Год назад +7

    Nothing like waking up to a NorCal cycling video to watch!

  • @Garrick42
    @Garrick42 Год назад +1

    I agree, never chase your teammates, and I don't think this video requires any apology or qualification. What you did was to bridge, which in my mind has always been to jump across a gap and leave everybody (or almost everybody) else behind. It's only chasing if you drag the group with you (which I trust you would've had the good sense to realize before you made it very far). But who cares. Chapeau for a great team effort.

  • @Chrisdakiwi100
    @Chrisdakiwi100 Год назад +3

    Such a great video love watching these. I’m like a Cat5 rider and this can give me such a good grounding on how to race better and take it into road races as well

  • @christianosoriovelez128
    @christianosoriovelez128 Год назад +1

    That Dolce Vita kit is fire!

  • @iceguy8112
    @iceguy8112 Год назад +1

    I admire your hard working posting video almost everyday. Kudos👍👍👍

  • @johnflynn4923
    @johnflynn4923 Год назад +1

    The commentary on EJs race was hilarious - great that he saw it as a useful learning experience.

  • @JibbaJabber
    @JibbaJabber Год назад +1

    On the contrary Jeff. You had an excellent race. You read the race superbly, adapted as needed and eventually won the race. After all, you entered it as a team.
    #JobDone

  • @michaeldance5734
    @michaeldance5734 Год назад

    Hi Jeff thoroughly enjoy your vids - i'm a new cat 4 in the UK and love watching the pointy end sat with a cup of tea, very entertaining

  • @billstrachan476
    @billstrachan476 Год назад +2

    Thanks EJ and Jeff. Another super fun and informative video.

  • @tewaewae
    @tewaewae Год назад +2

    EJ, that opening edit is friggin good!

  • @NickOats
    @NickOats Год назад +2

    Great race and even better break down.

  • @Mark_Tucker
    @Mark_Tucker Год назад +5

    Good stuff! Man that was such a fun one. Hoping to get up to Alviso this month for a shot at redemption 😅

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад +3

      Message me before you go, make sure I’ll be there, great racing at Merced 🤘

    • @shaunb93291
      @shaunb93291 Год назад +2

      I mean if you hadn't tried to take the souls of every 35+ rider and lap them twice, you may have had a few bullets left 😂You lapped SuperDave 3x that day....lol

    • @Mark_Tucker
      @Mark_Tucker Год назад

      @@shaunb93291 😆

  • @jairoalberto173
    @jairoalberto173 Год назад +2

    Great team work guys! I get zoned in on these videos.

  • @skylerschwendeman
    @skylerschwendeman Год назад

    Awesome video. Huge props to Sean and the whole squad.

  • @Babkyb
    @Babkyb Год назад +2

    Great race! What a grinta Sean has! Rocketman🤩

  • @marcwemmer4082
    @marcwemmer4082 Год назад +6

    Just a Question: What prevents you from purposely falling back out of the peleton to help your teammates further back (when they are almost lapping you but not quite)
    Because then everyone can just fall back once their team has a established breakaway and help them better this way. But that seems quite wierd, almost unsportsmanlike to me.
    What are the rules about this one, would really like to know :)

    • @al-du6lb
      @al-du6lb Год назад +1

      This is prob why Europe takes their riders out. As long as the rider stays with the main group, I think it's kinda cool and more dynamic the American way.

    • @mustridefaster
      @mustridefaster Год назад +2

      What actually happened was in violation of USAC crit rules. Lapped riders are not permitted to lead the lead riders and the lead riders are not permitted to receive assistance from lapped riders. Rule 3D4.

    • @al-du6lb
      @al-du6lb Год назад

      @@mustridefaster Does everyone use those rules?

    • @gapmanvic
      @gapmanvic Год назад +2

      @@mustridefaster Actually, no, it wasn't a violation. Lapped riders, if they have stayed with the field, can continue to race and help lead riders. It is dropped riders (who are dropped by the main field then lapped) that can't lead or assist. Kind of confusing, and yeah, as a team "strategy", getting lapped and then leading your teammates is a bit questionable... definitely something that could be easily taken advantage of. "USA Cycling: 3D4. Riders who have lost contact with the field, and are then caught by a breakaway from the field, may not lead. Riders off the front of the field may not accept assistance from riders who have lost contact with the back of the field. Lapped riders may rejoin and race with the field in cases where lapped riders are not being withdrawn by the officials. "

    • @mustridefaster
      @mustridefaster Год назад

      @@al-du6lb That is the way I have always heard it interpreted at every race I've ever ridden and how it was explained to me by USAC officials.

  • @mokasusa
    @mokasusa Год назад +2

    In israel, when you get laped, you are not alowed to influance the race, and you can seat at the back, but you can not pull upftont

  • @tannermoran2442
    @tannermoran2442 Год назад +1

    I feel like I’m on your team I go to chico state and I’m on the triathlon team. Our headlining sponsor is performance bicycle. Keep killing it much love!

  • @michaeldimmitt9974
    @michaeldimmitt9974 Год назад

    This was a fun one, good to see this strategy since it is kind of rare in these videos!

  • @joro8604
    @joro8604 Год назад +2

    Good job, Sean!

  • @Ghundaproduction
    @Ghundaproduction Год назад

    That was absurd. Great team strategy. Super informative video as per usual Jeff.

  • @PatrickLino
    @PatrickLino Год назад

    Thanks Jeff! - Have a great weekend.

  • @sunshinecycling
    @sunshinecycling Год назад +2

    Awesome race...nice to see some different outcomes.

  • @chrisfoglesong2017
    @chrisfoglesong2017 Год назад +1

    This video has strong “do as I say, not as I do” Dad vibes. 😂

  • @SeanLewisMedia
    @SeanLewisMedia Год назад +1

    That opening intro was sick!

  • @vorzap
    @vorzap Год назад +1

    Not in the United States- in NYC they will pull riders in crits before they get lapped.

  • @ronm9357
    @ronm9357 Год назад

    Haha I said this _exact_ same thing, and the owner of this channel had a minor hissy fit.
    There are indeed situations where in it _is_ a good tactic to "chase your teammate."
    Nice to see you've learned that. 😉
    Although what he calls "chasing" his teammates is known to me as solo _bridging_ to teammates.

  • @ezeekwheel
    @ezeekwheel Год назад +1

    the lapping rules are crazy. here in the uk you have to let all the riders past they normally only pull riders out if the leader has finished and they still have a lot of laps left. I think its a really cool concept to allow lapped riders to then help lapping riders however people here would probably exploit it to get recovery and help team mates

    • @elliotpollard9083
      @elliotpollard9083 Год назад +1

      Yeah there would be a lot of shouting going on in the UK. I got told off for not being dead last wheel when the peleton lapped me but they were letting huge gaps open up

  • @romankilun1527
    @romankilun1527 Год назад +2

    this is wild... you guys!!!

  • @curtismann6851
    @curtismann6851 Год назад

    Just watched older video where a duo of lapped clif bar riders joined lead group as they passed to help teammate and you mentioned it was against rules. Noob here so just wondering difference I missed. Maybe different local rules? Love the combo of chess, power and selflessness involved in your teams’ approach. Kudos

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад

      They intentionally dropped back from the peloton to assist their teammate in the break, which is against the rules. Once your teammate completes the lap then it’s fair game. Small distinction in the rules but a big difference

  • @markcavandish1295
    @markcavandish1295 Год назад

    Love the editing/music in this video

  • @robertharrison8762
    @robertharrison8762 Год назад +5

    get shaun over to Europe after or during this season. he could go places...

  • @bloodsord9
    @bloodsord9 Год назад +2

    Mike's bikes ttt🤣

  • @TroySeeborn
    @TroySeeborn Год назад

    Jeff wouldn't bridging to your mates at the front be good strategy whether you've been lapped or not? As long as you don't drag others up (critical either way). Then same as lapped you have 3 riders to share the work and even if you're all on the same lap you could still sacrifice yourself with monster pulls to get the others out of sight.

    • @TroySeeborn
      @TroySeeborn Год назад

      Oh except I guess the freshness differential gives you a fighting chance to bridge up without being followed. Probably unrealistic to bridge up cleanly if unlapped riders were with you.

  • @samuelcarter8021
    @samuelcarter8021 Год назад

    Breakaway scenario: If you’re in a breakaway of 3-4 guys who are all on different teams, and someone has a teammate who bridged up (so now 5 guys), how should the guys who don’t have a teammate in the breakaway change their strategy?
    Does that usually disrupt the breakaway, or do you keep working evenly until you know you’re not getting caught?

  • @Timtimzi
    @Timtimzi Год назад

    Insane seeing 2 then 3 mikes bikes teammates off the front like that. Insane tactics

  • @antoinev5144
    @antoinev5144 Год назад

    When 2 teammates are ahead like that, what's the process for deciding until when you work together and from when you race each other?

  • @wdoug95608
    @wdoug95608 Год назад

    Hmm. Just 3 minutes in and enjoying the footage ( 40 years of video production & bike racing) and that is the flattest heal position I have seen on a bottom of a pedal stroke OR... is this Ideal ? (frame at 3:20) asked by someone who is / had struggles with seat height.

  • @steven54knights
    @steven54knights Год назад +4

    Sean needs some gopros on his bike

  • @TreyCoursey
    @TreyCoursey Год назад

    Jeff, you didn't "chase" your teammates...you instantly appeared next to them! Dang boy....what a bridge!

  • @theoriginalrecycler
    @theoriginalrecycler Год назад

    Nice race choices Jeff.

  • @ThomsenHnse
    @ThomsenHnse Год назад

    Crash update on Sean in next video please. I can see on his Strave that he has been hit by a car. Get well soon strong boy! 💪🏻
    Thanks for the amazing videos Jeff! 🤩

    • @billstrachan476
      @billstrachan476 Год назад +2

      Sean is okay. Nothing broken except for parts of his bike. A little sore today but otherwise okay. He was able to go out training today. Thanks for your concern.

    • @ThomsenHnse
      @ThomsenHnse Год назад

      @@billstrachan476 very nice to hear that! 👏🏻 ☺️

  • @andrewlabat9963
    @andrewlabat9963 Год назад

    Watched the last two also, and I'm surprised someone didn't remove the cut grass from that right turn (bend), that's slicker than water..

    • @SuperDaveKoesel
      @SuperDaveKoesel Год назад

      those two turns were so sketchy. dirt track racing.

  • @oliverdowd1978
    @oliverdowd1978 Год назад

    I'm not sure if comparing power between two people riding with different power meters is entirely useful. If his PM is reading 2.5% low and yours reads 2.5% high then that alone can account for a 5% spread. Although the power smoothness is impressive for sure!

  • @Nyarlathoth
    @Nyarlathoth Год назад +1

    Don't chase your team mates, but bridge to them... or rather teleport there

  • @krzysztofterlecki2889
    @krzysztofterlecki2889 Год назад

    So if in the USA when the field gets lapped they are still racing, wasn't it better to wait one more lap for your two teammates when they broke away instead of chasing them, burning matches and risking that you will bring the competition back on your wheel? I think I don't understand the rules and tactics.

  • @victorknubben5515
    @victorknubben5515 Год назад +1

    I'm do jealous of shaun's Bianchi 🥵

  • @MattMcNamara
    @MattMcNamara Год назад

    VI is more due to being in the break - he didn't have to surge as much. IF is maybe a better indicator. I didn't see yours in the file, but Sean was like a .88 - hard but not crazy hard, well for him ;)

  • @TheAndersreuter
    @TheAndersreuter Год назад

    Sick shots and great racing

  • @lorenzmeier2228
    @lorenzmeier2228 Год назад

    i todally get the move to jump over to your teammates to support them but i am pretty sure it would have been better to not empty youself within a few very strong pulls but rather to rotate smooth for a longer time. it seems like your teammates were going for almost 20minutes longer after you dropped so you beeing three would have been very helpful. Could you not have gone 5%less Power and Time on your pulls and because of that be there for them for another 10 minutes? Anyways, just some couchpotato expertise. Thanks for the video keep it up

  • @sethrachelspurlock1897
    @sethrachelspurlock1897 Год назад

    52 seconds in. The dude on the front tall white socks. 😂

  • @aarondcmedia9585
    @aarondcmedia9585 Год назад

    The average / normalised power would be more impressive if he weighed more - looks like on balance you did less W/kg than the winner, Jeff. Given a crit is constant acceleration and weight matters in multi-acceleration races, I would say despite the absolute power disparity that you were similar in your power outputs @ 4W/kg (4.15 NP W/kg) for the winner and 3.9W/kg (4.3 NP W/kg) for you. He's lighter / shorter therefore smaller and has less area for the CdA formula also.

  • @Xhadp
    @Xhadp Год назад

    If its not stated in the rules then getting lapped is fine. They should have something about intentionally sandbagging and getting lapping yourself in order to give your team an advantage though, which if they don't then that's on them. Which I think should be fine to get lapped if you are racing normally in order to prevent your race fee from going down the drain if you were in a lesser field like one of the cat 4 or 5 people.
    As for the prime on the lap. I think announcing it while lined up is better. by announcing it during the race with so little time you run the risk of running into common complaints such as people not hearing it or it being not ADA complaint towards hard of hearing riders.

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад +1

      There is a distinction in the rules between lapped and dropped riders

  • @brandonleggins1237
    @brandonleggins1237 Год назад

    NorCal cycling. I’m wondering if you could help select a bike. I want a bike that I can get close to 6.8kg for a race/fast group ride. Thinking maybe Scott addict rc, or bmc team machine. Budget around 6k and could later upgrade from there. Thank you!

  • @nl_2652
    @nl_2652 Год назад +1

    This footage is firrrreeee

  • @raanyroad9110
    @raanyroad9110 Год назад

    Were the guys behind Sean at the finish on the same lap? Just trying to get a sense of how close the field was at the finish.

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад +1

      Those riders were lapped, the gap back to 3rd place was like 40s or so by the finish

    • @billstrachan476
      @billstrachan476 Год назад +1

      Not on the same lap except for Ryan who had an unfortunate last lap flat. He's a beast 💪

  • @matthiaswarlop2316
    @matthiaswarlop2316 Год назад

    what software do you use to see the power etc at the end of the video?

  • @silasyoho8461
    @silasyoho8461 Год назад +2

    First! I love you videos Jeff! Always a great day when you post!

  • @billkallas1762
    @billkallas1762 Год назад

    Are there any 1-2-3 races coming up, that you both can race?? It would be interesting to see if he could finish in the top 20.

  • @benjaminc.woolston8490
    @benjaminc.woolston8490 Год назад

    This was sick, thanks

  • @draggerlane04090
    @draggerlane04090 Год назад

    Just curious does your team ever do hill climb races or country races where the course isn't marked

  • @Keschoo
    @Keschoo Год назад

    I wonder can you work with the lapped teammate? Would it be then fine to also drop back and wait for them to join you? Instead doing that huge effort to catch?😅

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад

      dropped riders cannot help, lapped riders can.

  • @xubairhanif963
    @xubairhanif963 Год назад

    I was excited..I thought 1sr 2nd 3rd all positions will be team Mike's Bike

  • @MarvinWestmaas
    @MarvinWestmaas Год назад

    Nice race, and nice vid!

  • @davidventura6563
    @davidventura6563 Год назад

    How could one get signed by mikes bikes??

  • @JumpingWatermelons
    @JumpingWatermelons Год назад

    wow, impressive racing

  • @stephengpaul
    @stephengpaul Год назад

    I really don't understand the rules of crit racing, and how anyone has any idea who has lapped who, who is winning, etc.

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад +1

      Ya understanding the rules and paying attention to what’s going on in the race is a big part of success that most people don’t grasp even in the p12 field believe it or not. FYI lapping is really uncommon and only happens once or twice per season

  • @Omnis2
    @Omnis2 Год назад

    0:50 I didn't know it was a gravel race

  • @SonnyDarvish
    @SonnyDarvish Год назад +1

    I'm not sure if the GoPro's max ISO is set to a low number (e.g. 400), but I suggest increasing that number, especially on overcast days. Let the shutter speed get faster so stabilization could do its job. Every small road bump makes the footage shaky on low ISO. Lower number is only good to reduce over-exposure when there's tons sunshine.

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад

      I use filters to allow for motion blur but on a bumpy course it throws off the stabilization

  • @tim_holmes
    @tim_holmes Год назад

    What's rule #1 if you don't have no teammates in the race?

  • @peterers3
    @peterers3 Год назад +2

    Sean.

  • @travismorgan3252
    @travismorgan3252 Год назад

    All the crits I've watched in the Southeast have lapped riders exit the course.

  • @ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος

    Bad pavement? Understatement much 😁
    First lap preem? Thats why mtb pedals rule

  • @quinlinhaglund124
    @quinlinhaglund124 Год назад

    Pulling a Jumbo-Visma

  • @dbpantani
    @dbpantani Год назад +2

    A great study on why you should finish the lapped riders first and then the lapping riders. Otherwise, riders with no chance of winning interfere with those that do. That seems very unfair.

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад

      Can you imagine the chaos in a peloton where half the riders sprinting for the finish and the other half are not 🤕

    • @dbpantani
      @dbpantani Год назад

      @@NorCalCycling Clubs in Australia manage it. Riders are briefed before the race that lapped riders will be finished before lapping riders. Lapping riders form up behind the lapped riders and are generally instructed to complete another 2 to 3 laps before they are given the bell. It works fine.

  • @walterarama
    @walterarama Год назад

    Never smoke the devils lettuce… except sometimes

  • @youjettisonme
    @youjettisonme Год назад

    I wonder how many riders crash each year as a result of some racers racing in slow motion

  • @CannedFishFiles
    @CannedFishFiles Год назад

    Very interesting! It's interesting to see how this challenges many peoples' sense of "fairness" but it does give the race a lot of dimension.

  • @paulgibby6932
    @paulgibby6932 Год назад

    What happened to Ryan at the finish?

    • @billstrachan476
      @billstrachan476 Год назад

      Flatted on the last lap. He is so strong and fast through the corners. Like a moto

    • @paulgibby6932
      @paulgibby6932 Год назад +1

      @@billstrachan476 Oh man, what a bummer. He was right there with Sean. Thanks

  • @tommacz9088
    @tommacz9088 Год назад

    Impressive

  • @sbrown7792
    @sbrown7792 Год назад +1

    Not chasing your teammates right? Just bridging to them ;)

  • @6295607
    @6295607 Год назад

    11:15 why didn't you just slow down and let them catch u and then pull?

  • @xdogs2
    @xdogs2 Год назад

    AWE SOME!!!!

  • @mathias8013
    @mathias8013 Год назад +1

    I know nothing about crit racing but I am surprised (looking at other sports) that you are allowed to impact the race if you have been lapped. To me that seems very strange, is there a limit to how far behind one can be without being pulled? Could someone technically get lapped several times and conserve all their energy for a singel task at the end of the race?

    • @brizziefritz4794
      @brizziefritz4794 Год назад +1

      I know a lot about crit racing (have been racing for many years in the highest categories), and you're correct, it is very strange. It's usually not allowed. In fact, this is the first time I've seen it being done so blatantly without any commissaire (cycling's referee/jury) intervening.
      Not only that, it is also considered to be very poor sportsmanship. You let the break fight it out amongst themselves.

  • @tibo5154
    @tibo5154 Год назад

    why didn't he just wait a lap for his teammates and have more power left to help them?

    • @NorCalCycling
      @NorCalCycling  Год назад

      Dropped riders get pulled, lapped riders do not