7 Things I Wish I Knew When Starting Mythic+ Dungeons
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Hit the ground running for mythic plus in Shadowlands! These are the lessons I would pass down to myself if I was starting all over again. Don't forget to like and subscribe so that you're notified of my new videos! Read more below:
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0:00 Intro
0:43 Don't release
2:01 You can't always play for score
3:38 You make more mistakes than you think
5:21 The in-between time is important
6:50 Damage matters
9:13 Be willing to experiment
11:28 Enjoy your time on the bench 
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"hey should I release?"
"wtf do u think noob"
"so is that yes or no?"
"gg" *leaves the instance group*
@@douce409 A good chance to learn that this guy in particular is an idiot and you did lose much by him leaving
lmao so true
This is a problem for ANY dungeon regardless of difficulty but I see it mostly in low level dungeons while leveling. If things are good no one talks no one learns and it's over but if mistakes happen it's blame game central and rawrs all around.
that sounds like what usualy happens.
yeah that about sums it up
Dude, because of you I learned in one month how to heal and do m+. Just yesterday I finally managed to do +15 with pugs. Thanks a lot
Rofl ,lmao what a joke
Pretty sure you learned how to heal, by just healing
wow way to downplay someone else's accomplishments.
That’s bad ass dude! Lol I’ve played the game a long long time and don’t know how to heal effectively still 🤷♂️
I dont care about people making fun of my skill.. Just wanted to thank Growl for his videos. It is not easy starting from 0 with only pugs and getting rIO to the level where you are accepted in +15. Anyway cheers guys for standing up for me :)
8:05 not only can you afford more mistakes, but if your group does 20% more damage, that's 20% less time your tank and healer have to mitigate incoming damage
This is one of the best videos ever. Right up there with Preach's series in legion for the various roles. I just jumped into healing for the first time midway through 8.3 and I'm loving it but until this week was always anxious. I watch your videos over and over to gain insight into the way to think through a dungeon. I appreciate the hard work and love the videos and knowledge you've gained during your time.
Dude you are helping me a lot with your videos. Please keep em coming. I started a Druid 2 weeks ago and you already got me to speed for Shadowlands. I'm doing low keys with ease and getting the feel for weaving into cat and bear form. Many thanks
Very good video. Very educational. Thank you for taking the time to make this. It sure helped a lot.
As a tank player, myself, having to take the second part of BFA off for business reasons, coming back to the game felt a bit overwhelming.
It's videos and content like this that I like consuming to catch up to speed and also recommend to the people I start playing with to get them up to speed and see who is serious and who is not.
Good tips overall. One I'd add, more for dps, is practice your rotation on training dummies until you can do your rotation nearly perfect with your eyes closed. The less attention you have to pay to your basic rotation, the easier it is to do mechanics, get interrupts, pull saving CC, etc. The #1 problem I see when I do keys with newer/lower IO players is they spend way too much of their focus just doing dps.
One of the most informative channels out there.
This is one of my favorite mplus vids ever. I go back and watch it again often. Thank you for your perspective and advice!
enjoy your time on the bench resonated a lot with me
was pushing myself for no reason at the times
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One of your best videos to date, very relatable and both short term and long term applicable
I can't concentrate on what you're saying im too fixed on the cat
heehee. Me too. *pets the kitteh*
dammit the cat got me too!
Yes, I think, as much as the cat is cute, the video [could] do without it being perma-showcased. xD
Thanks Growl, really appreciated these guides.
Great tips man this is my first xpac doing mythic+ I started WoW during legion have not done 10’s yet got 8’s and 9’s plan to step it up soon I started on 2’s and moved up slowly on every dungeon
Thanks Growl! Always nice to watch your vids 👍
2 years later and these tips were still super useful to me as a new healer! I hit 1800 last night and it’s been a blast. Explosives is rough for me this week
Great content. Keep it going man!
Love your channel! Thanks for all this great content.
Glad you enjoy it, my pleasure!
These are some great tips! I also started at the end of BFA and I'm looking to push and improve in Shadowlands. Keep doing what you're doing, because you're doing it right :)
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Dude the subtle birds in the background of your audio is awesome, super pleasant to listen too
You are literally the person with the healthiest mindset in the community :)
Pretty good video, very helpful! GJ man, been loving ur vids lately
Just discovered this video and your channel and it all makes sense honestly, the acceptance of the bench is something a lot of newer players won’t understand and to a point that’s a good thing, nothing was worse in vanilla/tbc than sitting on the bench as my hunter unable to leave or log off and I just had to sit outside waiting to be called up, no playing alts nothing, the one thing I will never miss about vanilla
Would love to see some dungeon guides for SL that not only goes over boss mechanic but looks at noteworthy trash packs and how affixes might interact with them . Cheers for the great content, only found you recently but i actively keep an eye out for your videos.
VERY well done bud!!! Very informative and rational! Thanks for this!! 🤘🤘
This is really helpful and things I learned through gaining experience for sure!
Some great advice that I'll take into SL M+ for sure. Thank you! One of the guys I play with says "equipped" like "equipted" and your "is is" thing reminded me of that lol, gg!
Yo very healthy video man! I really appreciate you view about the game! Improving, having fun, learning and not pointing fingers! Thank you!
Love you Growl! Thank you for the content
Yo, I know this video is old, but thanks to you and a few other people I think I'm finally going to face my fear of screwing up and making people mad and try to get keystone master/raid. Thanks for the guide!
You can do it!
Don't be worried if it's your own key and someone complains just ignore it and try your best
@@Epck oh yeah I'm chillin, will probably have keystone master in 2-3 weeks or so
great optimistic video. I really wanted to work into M+ healing BFA. really wanted to, but running with guildies that wanted to go higher than i was yet comfortable, then a series of bad pug experiences, and I collapsed back into my hesitation, then bailed. i realize i need to have much thicker skin and all, but its a challenge. folks can be so harsh, but really, its on me to find ways to suck it up, and work through that.
What I really like about your videos is how you entangle "hard" facts that are necessary to learn with soft skills like mindsets. A lot of player struggle with these especially and having the right mindset also makes it easier to learn and get better and meet nice people. Although I do think this is easier said from a point of 7k rio where you already "made it", it is still helpful and crucial advice to not lose your mind during the random grind or when you've just spent 2 hours applying and getting declined.
Healthy way to go about it. This is the first video with you that I've watched. Like your attitude so will watch more. Subscribed.
Another great video growl. People look for the cheat code to get ahead and you keep us humble and doing our homework.
"Record yourself" is the greatest advice ever
You may also add "Record AND watch everything". Not just the biggest pull where you did sick DPS and because of that want to relive the moment. Even routine and somewhat "unremarkable" parts of a run may offer great many insights for improvement once watched back. When you're doing a key and you're in the moment tunnel vision is real thing. It's astonishing how one may straight up not see a really important thing going on right in front of one's nose. Watching recordings certainly helps to not miss it the next time
@Chris Dean exactly, it's a game, it's fun, and improving is fun so why not take this advice for what it is : a way to improve yourself if you want to ? You don't have to but that's a great way to learn from your mistakes. If you feel it becoming a job more than a hobby then take a step back and keep playing the way you like .
@Chris Dean You're basically being annoyed about an instructional video giving people... instructions. Growl's video and my comment were intended for people who seek this kind of information
"do keys even when it's not an upgrade". As someone who went through the WHOLE of BFA only plugging (being a tank class really helped, even if non meta class) this is really important.
While Im almost traumatised with the amount of crap I took from random ppl, it's also how, by the end of 8.3, I've met a really fun and good team who had just lost their usual tank and were looking for another one.
It wasn't a key upgrade for me (but also not a trivial key for my ability), but I went because I liked the dungeon. It went so smooth that I took the then empty spot.
So, yeah, puggers of the world: for every thousand of disaster runs, there's always that good one 😁
Speaking about it from the skill angle, in the beginning I kept running M2-4 dungeons just to learn the dungeons, my abilities, improve keybinds, etc and then I could just jump to M 7-9 (as a healer) with no issues. Doing the low runs wasn't a visible upgrade, but still quite useful.
Oh, and I also got into a nice WoW discord group for helping out a returning player on low M+ :)
yeah i always pug and it does help tanking and i know the feeling theres 9 bads runs to one good one it seems and theres always a retard in the group
@@Evija3000 thats why i dont understand why they now release raid finder after the raid itself is open...raid finder was a learning curve it should start at the lowest level the move up the way it is now is stupid ....you get people in groups that dont even know the fights....i learned through raid finder im not some hardcore wow nerd who reads books on fights and studies the sheit....raid finder was my learning tool
@@sonnyc3826 I played raid finder recently and many of us did not know and we wiped two times but after that people told us tactics and it went fine
Nice video dude! Keep them coming :)
trying hard to learn tank, just started a week or so into shadowlands for first time in forever. first time actually pushing content with a focused mind i think too. thanks man.
Tanking is easyest Job you do 👍
Learned azeroth expansion on tank and it was so easy after that put raid up on freshly dinged alt.
Love the videos ioinjection fam! Keep up the great work
Brilliant! Thanks for the great content
Fantastic video! Thank you!
Very informative and well thought out video.
I have not done a mythic and at this point I don't plan too but I think this is good advice for dungeons in general. Thanks for the tips!
Excellent content! I subbed just because of the ‘bench’ comments. I’ve never heard that mentioned before and I’ve seen it negatively impact MANY players (even myself) over the years. It shows an empathy towards others that isn’t shown as often as it should.
I haven’t done a single Mythic Shadowlands dungeon yet, but that is mainly because I just came back to the game. I’ve just returned to the game after the longest break since WoW started. (I quit literally a few days before BFA launch even though I had pre purchased the expansion). I had alpha and beta access to BFA and I guess all those changes allowed me to see “behind the curtain” if you will.
Come to think of it, it’s the longest break I have taken since I started playing MMOs back in May 2000 with EQ. Yeah, yeah I know, OG...
“If OG stood for Old Gamer.” 😂
Subbed :) I was a main resto druid back in the day and I want to start dong raids and M+ in SL , I will keep a keen eye on your channel
Thanks for the content!
Good stuff. I'm geared to the point that heroic's are no challenge at all and was thinking about trying some Mythics. Gotta work on my gear a little more but your content was right on point for what I needed. Thanks.
It’s a blessing you do timestamps :)
This video is really helpful - thankyou.
Thanks for the yumytvHomework
you do good content! thanks for playing wow :)
Thanks for the video!!
One thing I wish someone would do is make "bullet time" videos of encounters with voice over explaining what is happening. Meaning that sometimes the video would slow down or pause for additional explanation. Some can absorb those fast high level videos but for me, I need the explanation stretched out.
Same!
Check out one azeroth, I think he is doing a pretty solid job with SL mechanics. It's a tank perspective.
@@sidelvar Will do. Thank you!
10/10 Subscribed, great mindset.
Love the vid Yumytv! I posted it in my guild's mythic+ guide channel :)
I could see also added something like: 1) Don't join a 10+ key if you are not familiar with the dungeons base mechanics (interrupt, spell steal, heal, tank tactics etc.), leading to a second point: 2) every member is equally important, I find when you have one weak link in the team then it almost always fails. That said, aiming again on mechanics mostly. It ruins the run for those who did do the prep work (practise, reading up etc.) if you join and don't have a clue. Well would be curious what your thoughts are on those points.
Ace UI btw!
Im coming back after a 6 year break. Thanks for this video.
I love what you're doing. :) The more people getting into serious M+, the better for everyone who likes M+.
This video is a tutorial on life. Well done!
Because of ur videos I actually started branching out and healing mythic + especially when I normally tank or dps
I love how nectoric wake came up when u talked about dmg and u showed the hammer spam bug!:))))
Totally agree, i do keys for fun in pug runs all the time, and sometimes u land that fun as fk run that sticks with ya memory.
Those runs can be both smooth runs and failed runs, the important part is having the patience with the nutjobs and being excited to find the fun people :).
I can do some of the "hardest" content in the game, but that should not sway away from doing lesser content to meet new people.
Coz the game is really not fun playing alone, it's an mmorpg after all and Fun is what its all about when you crunch it down.
Also do not judge players for their mistakes, everyone does them and it is how u improve the fastest and push your limits.
Everyone has a different learning curve, accept that fact.
Approach people with kindness even in times of failure and u will most likely meet someone that just had a bad run/ day, and usually play better.
In the pug world, give people the benefit of the doubt .
Dear Tanks PLEASE take your healers mana into consideration!
We dont mind being dragged through the mythic, but we gotta drink sometimes! js lol
or take holy pallies :P
Now this is a good video. Subscribed just based on this, thank you very much. Question... What is your nameplate addon and your party UI frames? Thanks and I'm going to binge a bunch of your videos tomorrow!
Absolutely damage matters. Bigger damage makes it easier on the tanks and healers.
For someone who started WoW not so long ago, your tips are pretty much spot on. I'm gonna recommend your channel to a couple of friends who's planning to start WoW in SL, great job.
The 3rd one took me along time since I first started WoW a long time ago to finally do, and it's one of the biggest difference between lower IO runners and the top 1K. Never blame others for wipes, ever. Always start with thinking with what you could've done differently, even if you think nothing you could've done matters. This single mindset change alone brought me up from my usual 'pleb' ratings to one of the higher spot for Druids.
I began playing on Feb 14th 2021 and i love the game in every way. Last season i hit keymaster with my dps pali but i really dont like dps classes. I want to tank! Thank you for the advice, is been a bit intimidating but i know i can tank. Nice video and thank you again cheers
I ran a 16 with you last year and it was insane how much damage you were doing as the healer it hella carried us lmao
corruptions were dope
Get better in M+? I just want TO DO an M+. I request to join groups, I'm either denied right away or I sit there until the group is delisted. I start my own group and I get nada. I've tried on my favorite 3 class/specs: Ret Pally, Frost DK and Destro Lock. And we're talking about M+3 or M+5, not M+15. It seems there's way too much elitism when it comes to mythics and if you don't have your own group you run with regularly or have the perfect class/spec/achievements you're going to get snubbed. I've been playing since TBC and back then I was into every aspect of the game. We raided every week, but we also ran speed clears of heroic dungeons against our own guild. It was super competitive and fun and we always wished Blizz would make a harder mode of dungeons but that didn't come until way after my guild fell apart and everyone moved on with their lives. In MoP when the transmog sets were introduced for Gold clears, I tried so damn hard to get a group to run them with, but it was like pulling teeth. It seemed like all I did when I had time to play was try to get into mythics. Now I've stopped giving a shit, but Blizz seems to be putting more and more effort into making M+ be a parallel path to getting the best gear if you don't want to raid. I'm all for it, but damn these people are bad about judging books by their cover.
Nothing more true than this
I’d really suggest looking for a stable guild and making friends with people to push with. The game is filled with people like you, but it takes some effort to connect with people. Hang in there man.
@@Rob-pb7lm Yeah I've joined quite a few guilds over the years. Most like to act like they're pushing world's first or something. I just want some chill people that don't mind if things go sideways every now and then.
Eh, I haven't had an issue. Do you have a good ilvl for the m+ you're running?
@@Wackyorb I shoot for low, 1-4 since I've literally never ran one. I know there's a certain way they're done so I want to learn from the ground up and my ilvl is 450-460 er was. Between the 3 toons I try on mainly.
Hazelnuttygames makes short and sweet (3-4 mins) mythic dungeon guides and it's been an invaluable tool. Having a general idea of what the mechanics are is..key.
Still no idea how to get past those pesty mobs between bosses. I find rogue hardest class to play becouse keeping eye on combo points and total visio of fight is pretty impossible... Someone Will loose
I think your RUclips channel is a treasure for healers. Could you provide a healer level up perspective on Shadowlands? Is it possible to solo as a healer?
Great list.. You can apply this list to just about every game!
Infact, I use this advice when I used to play league. I went from silver to high diamond for it!
Hey growl, just wanted to come back to say this video helped a lot. I came back from WOD/legion to SL S3 not knowing what m+ even was. I got KSM in S4 and now KSH and looking to push 3k io for DF S2.
Also wanted to say I would be highly interested in tips video for really high keys. Like how to approach above 20 keys mentally. What your process is like for dissecting a 23 when you don't know what's exactly ideal yet. How do you analyze yourself when you don't know the answer yet is it just trial and error? That sort of stuff. Moreso the process of understanding high keys.
Anyways thanks for the awesome content as always :D
A great number of us have been playing since 2005 and evolved with the game. It’s a time investment. If you want high io, you have to sacrifice time and money. I love my guild. We have pushed keys and I’ve gotten in good pug groups too. I just don’t have all day to play like when I was 16. Thanks for helping the new guys out.
Even tho all my friends play wow a'd we re always chillin on discord, most of the time i play solo mythic + like it doesnt really bother to play with new people everytime i think it's so much fun.
Good video +1 sub 😁
Nice video bro
Record yourself is so valuable. I put up my dungeon runs on my RUclips and I see so much more that I can do better even while editing it.
I love the subtle advertisment, atleast you didn't go "gO wAtcH mY CHanNel pLEase!!!" like everyone else.
This video is very helpful. I’m going to start M+ in shadowlands as a tank, hoping to go with my guild. I’ll keep this advice in mind and play around with Paladin builds
Last night was my first key (we didn't clear) I learned just how little damage I do 😂 but hey the guild was ok with it being a learning run
"Slow is steady, and steady is fast"
This is my mantra for everything in life. Don't dilly dally, but take your damn time. Absorb what's going on, process your surroundings, talk to eachother. Things will go well.
Hi! I liked what you said about the damage and how it all matters. As a resto shaman, I feel as if I could be doing more damage but Im not certain how to approach it. Usually, I try to keep flame shock, lava burst, and chain lightning in the rotation as much possible. Any tips?
Is there a significant difference in the potential damage output from different healer specs? Say, holy paladin vs resto shaman?
Liked and subscribed, great attitude
yumytv: "hello friends this is grooowwl" whadyamean
i've played this game for 14 years with many long breaks and i would like to make a point if u dont mind.
It is really importand to stick with a class and master it no matter if u do pve or pvp.
you can play and enjoy alts ofcourse, but you should focus on one thing for a very specific reason i found out after many years.
while i was doing mythic raid progress as an MM hunter back to legion i found out that after a point i was not looking at my buttons anymore just some glims at glowing procs.
the thing is it was not that i did not care about damage as you may think, i became so accurate with any possible combat scenario that i memorized all cooldowns and possible rotations, so all i had to focus was on awareness and mechanics.
this was extremely importand for such an imobile spec back then, in order to maximize perfomance and stay alive.
Imagine being a healer and trying to look both at cooldowns, healthbars and suroundings. if u are not familiar with the spec/class you are bound to make mistakes and is completely normal because you try to do 3 things at the same time or in fairly short time between them.
So a good UI,COMFORTABLE key bindings for Every spell and good knowledge of what you play will transform you as a player.
If u struggle with all these dont worry just take your time learn and enjoy.but dont expect this to happen anyime soon if u play monday warrior, tuesday priest etc, if u are on a learning curve..
Please dont misunderstand me i dont try flex here, i just want to say that knowledge experience and practice are the keys in order to enjoy wow at its fullest.
I am always happy to see newer players evolve so fast and become great.
If only this strategy worked for Enhancement shaman, but no, we have the clunkiest design in any class ever.
Good vibes 👍
Thx dude
Just be ready to attack, got it thanks friend! :)
Great info. Love the advice. I am going to say the next part as you are probably ear blind to it. It makes me laugh every time you say 'is is'. There are about 3 of them but 12:04 is the last one I heard.
Wow, I need to bookmark this one. Awesome video dude. I've been wanting to push into M+ this expansion, having never really messed with it much before. I'll admit though, your video makes me a little nervous about choosing an off-meta class. I was hoping to do a lot of tanking and dps'ing on my druid. I am now feeling like I may need to switch to mostly going resto, at least at first...which is fine, as I love druid healing as well. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid about that though. I don't mind much that there are players who will scoff at bringing a druid to tank or dps, so maybe I'll just put up with the stigma and find a crew that doesn't mind.
As of right now Guardian druids are looking pretty good and theres always a shortage of tanks, so even the off spec tanks usually dont have problems finding groups. Also the meta isnt usually finely tuned in the first season after an expansion. Resto druids looking good too though!
@@shred403 Hey thanks Scott, I appreciate the info. Playing a druid is looking pretty darn fun right now. Feedback like this helps a lot, thanks.
6:50 It's important to think note how much easier certain boss mechanics can become with high DPS, especially on Tyrannical weeks. Tidesage Council in SoTS, Vol'kaal in Atal, and Galvazzt in ToS are really good examples. They become unhealable at a certain point.
Also, bosses that have timers on certain abilities. Vol'zith in SoTS has such a long interim phase that it can sometimes determine if you time or not.
To all my healer bois out there, dealing dps might also be your most mana efficient route. The sooner x dies, the less mana you're spending healing. If you're in a non-stressful part of the fight, try dropping a few dps spells in.
Eventually, you'll learn when you can and can't drop in a few hits, even when it might seem dangerous.
The weirdest thing to me about your comment was that you know the boss names. Other than a couple I usually just refer to them by a characteristic. Totem boss, last boss, 3rd boss, sharknado guy, ... I do know Rezan (because there were debates about if we were going Rezan first or left pull 1st for lust) but really know very few actual boss names. And it's not because I haven't run many keys - according to my BFA review thing on raider.io I've run 1403 keys this xpac, I just never bothered to learn their names. Then again, I don't remember street names either so maybe I'm just weird.
This video is awesome, I've been scared to even try mythic+ but i feel better to give it a chance. Also i need to know, what ui are you using right under your character? It looks awesome
They're really not that crazy, just study the affixes and how each one affects how you do the dungeons accordingly. It's really overblown
nice video! :)
you speak so much truth for just any game in general.
Good competitive mindset message.
Please Growl I BEG you: we need a new bench in Oribos soon! We are all waiting for you to show us the new spot! You definitely should make a youtube video about it. Oribos benches ranked!! That would be epic!
Proof my mentality is that of a small child. I laughed when you said do do high keys.
Well I guess I'm a teenager...🤣 'willing to experiment'
i dont think he meant "do keys high"
very informative and good video! allthought i do have a question: how do you deal with tyrannical weeks? for most part it feels like people refuse to do dungeons on tyrannical weeks, especielly when there is really nasty affixes like necrotic and bolstering. Is there a way to motivate people to do keys in despite of this? I was pushing a bit in BFA (only got to +19s done with pugs, didnt have a dedicated team) and even then for example most people werent too hyped about trying to push during tyrannical weeks. any advice or thoughts on this?
Bench time is also important time because it can give others an opportunity to grow that they might not have had if you never sat out. Its extremely important to Mythic raiding to cycle more than just 20 players.
One tipp that id like to throw in is play pvp(arena/duels) at times with a friend. Not serious just to learn a bit more about how your class works, how to use some defenses and get better at it. I know the "kick spells" 0.5sec bootcamp with my old raidleader (duels) was probably the best way to really learn when to kick and when not to.
Thank you Growl
THanks for your work, could I ask what you are using on the left hand side of enemy nameplates please? It's tracking enemy cast icons I think?