Why The Benson Delay Stands Out (Analog / Digital / Tape Delay)
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Benson Amps just released a new delay that is like nothing we've seen before! Chris Benson made an innovative circuit design that features a PT2399 karaoke chip with an analog delay circuit. It also has great modulation. Join Josh as he goes over this new circuit and talks about how awesome it is!
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Josh is just really nice to other builders.
I can’t keep up with the amount of “mind blowing” pedals anymore. It seems like every 3 months there’s another “it” pedal. It sounds awesome but it’s getting a bit out of control. …I’ll probably get one.
Kinda been the story of pedals since day 1, no?
@@theseaward4613 True, but there are more manufacturers now turning out new products so quickly between them it seems to have reached a point of ridiculousness. I remember when the Timeline came out and it was seemingly years until another delay came along that people raved about. In this case Mr. Scott was absolutely raving about the Boss DM-101, joking as if he should close up shop and not bother making new pedals. That was just a few months ago, now this and I’m sure he’s being sincere. Let’s see a video with one pedal from each effect over the entire history of pedals that people would do well with. ….I have too many pedals admittedly so this is a commentary on myself as well.
Golden age of pedals!
@@madsenamplification😬😬😬i think we’re past the peak and in a steady decline imo
@theseaward4613, I think @madsenamplification has it right. I believe we're STILL in "peak-pedal," and @MidlifeSlices said, it can be really overwhelming. I'm not a pedal builder, but a guitarist since the mid-80s. T
Between this and the Japan vlog, I really enjoy seeing Josh showing and explaining the components. I am also a huge fan of quarter-note delay (maybe because I learned to use delay with an in-amp effect where tap was the only way to control the time) and the square-wave modulation on this has a very cool unquanitized harmonizer-like result. Never thought Josh would play something to remind me of Oneohtrix Point Never, but that last jam did the trick. Puts a smile on my face and I don't even own one... maybe in the future, but I'm so overwhelmed by amazing delays in the world that I just want to try them all until I found one that meets me "where I am in my life".
I think it's good to have albums where there's no favorite song. Some albums are warm blankets, not a box of chocolates.
Random waves for modulations is the best thing I’ve seen applied to effects pedals in a long time. I have one modelled tape delay that has random pitch warbling for the repeats, and I often run the effect without repeats, just to apply a lo fi warped modulation to my signal.
I love it on my Strymon Deco!
The random vibrato on the EQD Aqueduct always does me right-set it mellow and subtle and it just does the darn thing
@@MilesTippett The Deco has without question become the most necessary pedal on my board, and I wasn't even sure I needed it, or what I needed it for. Especially in a w/d/w setup, my lord! It's without question the most essential pedal or all around tool to my tone now, and almost always on in some capacity
The first jam is very reminiscent of Pell Mell's "Interstate", and excellent instrumental shoegaze album. Well done.
Thank you for a) hitting the nail on the head and b) introducing me to a new favorite!
Sounds like U2 in a box to me :D
You don't see people like Josh Scott often, he goes in depth about how great his competion is. Not knocking it, I probably have to buy this pedal now though...
I am always AMAZED at folks who can make the PT2399 sound so amazing. 👍
I don’t think guitar folks get it. The PT2399 is this quirky cheap chip for cheap karaoke machines and junk like that. It was never made to sound good or be precise. It’s pre-DSP digital with very little proper flexibility. You can’t program it, you control it with analog circuitry and a clock signal (if I remember right), but it has memory. It’s survived the ages because it’s super cheap and still is great in toys with microphones and blinking lights… guitar and “real” audio are not and never will be a consideration or even a percentage point of its sales.
The documentation on it is terrible. Any good use of it in a pedal came from a lot of experimentation. Usually doing completely undocumented and unintended things to it. I have no idea how Chris Benson is taking advantage of this much at once and with the kind of precision demonstrated. 🤯
His preamp pedal is my only pedal I’d risk bodily harm to fight to keep. I’d feel naked without that one. I could wait to replace anything else.
@@mikesalmono clock signal. That's the dsp aspect of the chip.
But yeah, "guitar folks" don't get it. 🤔
I know. I designed a delay around it like 20yrs ago, and it wasn’t bad…but what folks are doing with this chip now is quite impressive.
I will say though with 1.2 seconds of delay, he’s likely using 2 chips not one like most.
@@constantk8780 Totally fair. I overstated. I’m also sorry. I’m not meaning to denigrate people who like guitars. That came out wrong based on your response. I obviously am one. Just folks that don’t read datasheets probably don’t understand the awe this provokes in people that do. I’m not nearly as smart on this topic as most pedal builders. I use microcontrollers for nonaudio work (sensors, displays, etc.) and goof around with analog guitar circuits as a hobby. I’m definitely worse at guitar than most guitarists watching. I’m a terrible “bedroom” (home office) guitarist who hasn’t played with a band in 25 years.
So ignore that whole thing and I’ll just say I’m really impressed vs. projecting what others do or do not understand.
It is digital signal processing, but it’s rudimentary. It’s not programmable, and most of the chip is in opamps and the ADC/DAC wrapping the bits of hardwired digital circuitry. You wouldn’t BYO clock signal to the stuff people associate with “DSP” since the 90s. It’s not like Spin with a low-code IDE or using a system on a chip that could run an OS.
Electrosmash has a better doc than the doc sheet: www.electrosmash.com/pt2399-analysis
He lists out most of the trial and error hacks folks have used. That is the sum total of any circuit variation I’ve seen people do around it. And the doc makes it sound more clear cut than my experience. If you’ve ever messed with it, it’s an odd, finicky device. I never kept anything I’ve built with it on my board. They’re in my pile of stuff I’ve made and can’t throw away. I use a Julia for chorus and the same TC delay as Josh’s board in the video.
As @rebelcat420 noted, he has to be chaining them to get the delay times, but is still is hitting the low-end of 30ms. With the programmability, he must be using a microcontroller to do switching to essentially rewire the circuit, provide the user interface, etc. I’ve never seen someone do that around this, but I’m definitely not an expert in all of its usage. But that’s like the sophistication of bringing tap tempo to BBD or the switching in the JHS Packrat, Bonzai, etc. The idea of doing that around a PT2399 isn’t something I ever would have expected. It’s a weird thing between a retro cool BBD and what is expected out of a digital delay.
It’s novel and really well engineered and I’m impressed.
@@mikesalmo there have been projects in the DIY world for a while like TapPrecise that make tap tempo available for the PT2399. Similarly, attaching an LFO to the delay time will produce modulation. I'm guessing that this is about what is happening here. Basically, add those two items to a pretty standard (probably dual) PT2399 and you're done. But I may be wrong, would have to see the inside.
Wet leg is my favorite new band. I flew to NYC to see them. Probably the last series of shows in small venues around the city.
Props for the HM Strat! I still play my Squire HM I for most of my recorded solos, bought new in 1989. Korean build, such a great neck.
BYOC makes a diy kit "Echo Royal" with dual pt2399 built it a few years ago. Incredibly versatile.
what a great guitar intro!~ and man Josh you go! that thing is money. when you messes with lfo it was sooo good
9:00 heals my soul
I designed semi and full custom analog and digital integrated circuits. You cannot tell the complexity of the chip by comparing the ceramic or plastic dip outline.
Sounds fenomenal. A candidate to be my best delay pedal together with Ibanez es3, Catalinbread Adineko and Mr. Black Solid State Echo chamber
This is how I always think of it: integrated circuits (chips) can be used in digital applications, but they’re not inherently “digital,” they’re solid state, but essentially, they’re circuits. Integrated circuits. They’re the same thing you could make with components building a circuit on a board.
Digital is software - DSP, COSM, studio plugins, etc. That software may use or manage integrated circuits, but the circuit is analog, even the integrated circuit - it’s hardware, it’s solid state, it’s not software.
This pedal sounds really cool, and if they’d have made something with such outstanding modulation with stereo, I’d already be placing an order 🙂
This gave me the idea to look up what kind of delay chip is used in the Korg Monotron Delay - a little $50 synthesizer - and sure enough, it is a PT2399, which totally makes sense, because it is a really dirty sounding delay. The cool thing is that you can bypass the oscillator and run through the synthesizer’s filter and delay circuit with something else, essentially using it as a delay pedal. I’ve run other Monotron synths through the delay this way, but now I want to see if it works with guitar.
The chips are cheap, around 50 cents each ,
It sounds good. I used to use it solely as an fx send on a mixer to send guitar and vocals thru.
what beauty! the hold function is essential.
I have no effect pedals and play through my only amp can afford and its the mini honey tone from Sweetwater. Man I would be stoked with any one of the effect pedals you play and share with us! Love all the content I've been watching. Thanks for your passion
I prefer crazy tube circuit - Time for analog tone. But this guy at Benson looks like he know what he’s doing 🎉
Josh knows how to play
With
Delay.
A mate of mine has that same Strat . His is from the 90s im sure . I think his is slightly darker pink also .
That'd be the hot pink. Got one myself.
It would be a nightmare trying to change some of the settings live
I always wanted one of those strats from that era... that pedal rips too 💪👽🤘
Stop right there Mr. Herman’s, what have you done with Josh?
Seriously, Josh, damn, freaking FANTASTIC vid, bud, you absolutely nailed this one!
Usually I just listen for the girl, but you ruled here!
😉
That has to be one of the best demonstrations of a delay pedal evah ! (Boston accent)..Fantastic playing..fantastic tone..cool guitar..fantastic delay pedal. It's a goddam demo of a pedal, and I can't stop listening to the track. It's an instant classic. I actually jam along to it with my guitar. Too much fun. Ya sold me..gonna get me a Benson Delay...Love the show !
Im sure many have asked this, but for reals can you guys pls release a full version of the intro music?
Love the Strat Josh. Saw that on the wall in previous episodes brah! 😈
I like my Strymon Timeline & I'm enough happy with it.
Portland represent.
Loving that pink, I wanna say HM Strat? That pedal is sick though.
First jam sounds-a bit-like The Verve. That’s a very good thing.
That sounds really good. It reminds me a lot of my MXR Carbon Copy Deluxe.... I wonder how those two would compare to each other??????
Hooooollyyyy this is my new delay fr.
🤘👍🏿 That’s a nice shoutout to @slowdiveband too.
Woah. I think we have an EL CAP killer here…..
This pedal has a Radiohead/Ed O'Brien vibe. Great intro jam!
After this I still like my Red Repeat by Carl Martin. (which has the same chip btw)
But I love your enthusiasm.
And Wet Leg is great. Love the Tiny Desk Concert.
And wasn't Benson a muppet?
😂 I played in a band with someone who had a pink STRAT like that in 1988. Classic.
Such goodness. The PSUEDO chorus effect alone has me thinking about buying 2 of these
I need it! I’ve wanted that sound in a pedal for well over a decade. Sounds like the ultra dub preset in the Logic Pro tape delay.
I've been keeping an eye on the delay segment of the market for a long time, and in the "PT2399" sub-genre, this is definitely a stand out.
Thank you for Wet Leg josh! (Refraining from making a pedal joke)
We need a video of “How to play guitar like JHS” I mostly watch these for the guitar playing first and pedals second!
chip talk that's why we love you
Those crocs!! Your the man Josh.
You're*
@@doublebass nerd
@@ryanbodell458 na, I'm just not dumb, be better
Seems nice. Probably somewhat similar to mile end effects repeater pedal.
Bet it'll do killer vib, Univibe, chorus, and even flanging. With the menu and different waveforms and such it can obviously do much more but what gets me is the tone. It's edible.
Sounds great!
I got a community guideline warning so... "Shoot"... You just Pete Thorn'ed me into buying a new pedal. My bank account hates you, but I love it.
I love the sounds, but it's a bit pricey and I can't afford it. However the aliexpress karaoke boards with the same chip are less than $5 and now I'm curious if I can mod one...
I bet putting the tidewater just before this as a clean boost would be awesome
More eurorack stuff needs to make its way into guitar pedals. LFOs and control voltage please
Ooooh baby! Love the hm strat
Not just lip service- I've got the JHS black cat and it's all the delay I need for anything. And it's half the size.
that slide tone 😍
Better than Rhett Shull’s? Lol
@@thetribalist6923man of culture here
@@FelixHureau “SICK BURN”
Great sounds! What amp were you playing through?
Do we have a pedal yet that automatically changes to the tempo you are playing?
Imagine if he'd used a PT2395!
@JHS PEDALS JOSH PLEASE do a video on how you use your beat buddy. Would love to know what beats you like and use!!!
Wow. This sounds so gooood
isn't it awesome!
Seems to be very similar to DOD Rubberneck. It is a BBD digital controled with modulation 2 knobs and Hold feature.....
Yes I thought that, I have a rubberneck and wondered is it really necessary I get one of these. 🤷♂️
@@AnthonyEvans-wl5tsthe rubberneck is incredible and has more controls, keep it !
@@FelixHureau yesss good good 👍 shall stick with it
@@AnthonyEvans-wl5ts just the control over gain and EQ + FX loop makes it more interesting. Can't wait to get my hands on one
Ya I have a rubberneck, and they are extremely similar, it probably wouldn't be worth getting both...BUT I'd venture to guess the benson has a slightly better components and possibly better toan...if your into that.
"This pedal's where I'm at in my life" 👌
The delay pedal I own goes, “ti ti tooodalooo” and I’m looking for one that kinda makes more of a, “tootoo dwoo dwoo ti ti wrrrooo wrrooo.”
I rekon you’d sell a lot of muffuletta v2, offer 9 muffs/muff style options this time and add in an octave switch … would be amazing
Wow & flutter digitally controlled in an analog framework 👍
I've been looking for a good analog tap tempo delay for synth and this might be the one
Also first lol
The PT2399 chip is actually digital.
Check the rubberneck delay
Carbon Copy Deluxe
I can't recommend the Erica Zen Delay enough for synths.
I rember Greg Howe playing one of those Strats back in the day. I thought they were really good guitars.
Is... is that a metal strat with a maple fretboard?
Benson or MXR Joshua? Both? I can't decide!!🥰🎸🕊️
When will someone build in the obvious solution to 'something useable' (18:09) by synchronizing the lfo to the tapped-in delay time + throw in independent time division + starting phase as well? How hard can it be?
Wetleg is my 10 year old daughter's favorite band.
Awesome!
What’s the name of the song right at the end ?
That's a very STRAIGHT up OASIS style sound at the beginning riff
So does the Benson sit between an analog delay and a space echo making owning it redundant if you already own both or is it an Analog delay sound that could be an alternative if you're in the market for a DM2 / Carbon Copy, etc.
Ya it's like a carbon copy...I'd say it's closer to a rubberneck with the modulation control and longer delay time. The repeats a little cleaner than the carbon copy for sure. Would pair well with a clean digital delay like dd8.
HM Strat for the Win!
Please demo the Mystery Brain by Nocturne Brain in San Diego!
Uh very cool jam bud
So from a theory standpoint what's the difference between a BBD chip, a DSP chip, and a digital delay line (DDL) chip?
Is the tap LED light faulty? It isn't flashing the tempo correctly.
I’m guessing it might be because of the frame rate of the camera that it looks like it’s not always coming on. Either that or it’s faulty. 😂
Was also gonna say G&L. Love my Legacy, still would have been wrong.
Shit... You just Pete Thorn'ed me into buying a pedal. My bank account!!!
I was thinking Hamer but it as the other way around sort of
What drum machine are you using?
Never mind, he said it later in. The Korg Drumalogue... spelling probably isn't right lol.
Interesting Delay and Josh playing vibe. I have FLAMMA delay that has "poor-man's" version of the LFO/Warble. Definitely would "upgrade" to this Benson if the FLAMMA died. ... Basement reviews (Solo-Josh) are becoming "standard" in 2023, but I still miss the "Big Room" shows & reviews. #FullBand ...maybe less #SarcasmFauxShow and ONE "Big Room" per month or so? #NickDrumsPlease
Can anyone tell me what Josh uses for the drum loops?
He's probably just got Nick in a box at home
Beat Buddy or something like that. You can see it on the board near the start.
Or korg drumlogue ha ha
the next delay i buy will have a bmp dial tho
nice to see Josh play a proper non-snooty boutique guitar for once...bonus points for the Rhett Shill killing slide, as always
hey now
Music Man
love that casual Hannah Montana reference
GAS
How does this compare to the memory lane Jr? Seems like there are a lot of similarities in their design
Ordered mine from the supplier on Amazon the day you streamed this video. A $300 "new" pedal arrived with two huge scratches/gouges. Buyer beware.
It sounds like the Malekko Ekko 616
Does anyone know of a pedal that is anywhere near as good as this for a little cheaper/older?
Epoch, tc hall of fame, maxon analog delay ( the big kinda red one) not sure the model #
The Deluxe Memory Boy is all analog and has a similar feature set and includes wave form modulation in the delays. Also has an effects loop if you want to get even weirder with the repeats
@@cchavez248 Great suggestions, thanks alot :)
@@duncanmowatt3945 Sounds like a great shout, thanks
I agree with duncanmowatt3945. I have the Memory Boy Deluxe on my board…. Watching demos of this Benson (particularly the demo by Ambient Trash) has prompted me to re-explore my DBD in a creative way. I think the basic sonic character of both pedals is similar as is the feature set. Cheers!
I love everything Benson has put out, but I don't fully understand this one. It sounds fantastic but in this current era of "pedal renaissance", how do they not have a presets function? No gigging musician is going to be changing parameters that much... Should have followed the Keeley Halo model.
LSD pudding! YES!!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I mean it's totally nice but i really can't keep up buying all the delay pedals i want.
Let me hear the sweet sounds of delay…
Delay is my middle name