The Tigers inability to develop hitting prospects is something that needs to be studied. Since the turn of the century, only Bobby Higginson in 2000, Curtis Granderson in 2009 and Torkelson in 2023 have hit 30 homers in a Tigers uniform while also being a Tigers draft pick. Every other 30 homer hitter in that time frame for Detroit was a free agent or trade acquisition with almost all of them already being established hitters. Their pitching development has been great but as a Tigers fan, watching every hitting prospect we have either being a bust or they end up being far better elsewhere is so frustrating.
@cambusquaert9632 Mate the Giants had 3 World Series wins in 5 years just a decade ago with a league MVP that they drafted and developed, I think you've survived lmao
I'm not saying he's not gonna be good (He will likely figure it out to some degree) but I'd say he is likely going to end up being a bust for what his expectations were. His good season so far only resulted in a 105 ops+ as a poor fielding first baseman which is not worthy of being a full-time player. He should be able to get back to that level but is he able to find the consistency to be deserving of being a starting first baseman? Hoping that he is able to find that
As a tigers fan, it’s a lack of aggression. He takes low 90s fastballs down the middle especially early in the at bat. He’s swinging at the first pitch 10% less than last year. Its all mental
Finally, a Torkelson video. I feel like every at bat I see of him he's popping out or making weak contact. He's so close yet so far right now. I think it will click eventually. 30 home runs last year showed that he has the potential.
I will say as a Tigers fan, I have confidence in Torkelson. He’s a really good guy, a incredibly hard worker, and a team leader. There’s a lot of negativity right now as a lot of Tigers fans are giving up on him and also hyper focusing on just him (a good majority of the team is slumping due to lack of aggression in the zone) however I refuse to give up on him. People seem to forget that he has just recently hit the full 2 seasons worth of games played. He missed a lot of time in the minors, and was thrown to the wolves in the Majors. I have faith, even though a lot of other fans don’t. My bigger issue with the tigers is how incredibly conservative Scott Harris is with calling up prospects, especially when you see Zach MicKinstry and Jake Rogers getting major league AB’s while J-hen and Dillon Dingler dominate AAA. All in all, I have faith in the person, and by proxy the ball player, and I refuse to give up on a 24 year old who’s had a 31 homer season
I think a lot of the negativity comes out of frustration knowing and seeing what is and can be in him as a player. We watch players like McKinstry and just that’s who he is. Torkelson has such a high, high ceiling (we’ve seen it), but we are watching the floor. It is nothing against him personally, it’s more aggravated because we are hoping for the guy to be great and we know he can be.
@@jordannawrocki3362 I know, I just wish so many people wouldn’t be so incredibly negative and vocal. I know he’s struggling, But I’ve never been one to call for people to be cut, or if I do I will delete the comment once I’ve calmed down
Since only about 3% of the 2020 draft class (if that) have touched a major league field that would still put him in the upper echelon of the class success wise.
Funny how I'm watching the Red Sox/Tigers game while I watch this. I'm a Sox fan, but I have nothing against the Tigers since 2013 when we faced them in the ALCS and they were so good, but we beat them. Hopefully Spencer figures it out...again. Great video, Jolly!
It is Tuesday, 3 days later, and yesterday the Tigers sent him down to the minors to, according to A J Hinch, to make adjustments to his swing and apparently also to improve his defense at first base.
He was drafted by the tigers who are notorious for horrendous position player development. No one wants to admit it but players careers change drastically based on who drafts you. Tork would be an all star if drafted by a Houston/Atlanta/Philadelphia/etc.
@@ethank-l4930 to be honest injuries dropped his name on the depth chart, eventually they wanted to get him through a season in the bullpen, unfortunately he lacks consistency and command, person I feel he tries to throw to many sliders, which I don’t get, when he throws upper 90s. I wish I could see him throw more fastballs and try to work his secondary pitches of that.
Oh, as a Braves fan it hurts so bad realizing they had 4 of MLBs top 6 hitters by barrel% last year, an this year with 3 of the 4 still healthy Marcell Ozuna is the only one who can hit gis way out of a paper bag.
I was looking away from the screen during the God Bless America gag, and thought "man, has he just been hunting for a way to use that clip? Then I rewound and got my answer.
As a Tigers fan I think I can speak on this. I think whats most annoying about Tork is he is just incapable of hitting the mistake pitches. His hips go too early which makes him pull everything. He had a good like week stretch where his timing was good, but now its back to bad. Now defense is atrocious but little underrated thing with him hes elite at scooping at first. Which is helpful when your infield is a converted 3rd basemen at second, a plethora of Gods finest utility players at third, and Javier Baez at short…
My pro career ended the same way, here si the fix. He needs to be comfortable striking out. I know it's weird but when you have been a Pujols-style player, it's tough to get to become Adam Dunn.
Might just be me, but it seems EVERYONE is playing below the normal with the exception of a few players. OPS across the league is down, teams like the Braves and Dodgers aren’t as offensively potent. Seems like pitchers have a greater advantage this season.
I would love to see a video about Dylan Carlson. Cardinals fans including myself thought he was going to be the next face of the franchise after what he did in the second half of 2021
If you remember back in 2022 there was so much hype between him and Jrod and most Baseball people were picking Tork to win the AL ROY. They were literally saying this dude is one of the best all around hitters that we seen in a long time. So for him to be one of the worst players in 2022 was a shock. I cant lie after last year i personally thought this was gonna be the season he really breaks out where he hit 40-50 hrs. That clearly doesn't look like its gonna happen. Hopefully he finds it cause dude definitely has the talent.
I can tell you what it is, just because you dont know doesnt mean nobody does. Tork cant hit 95 without guessing 95. He had a 2 month stretch last year where he guessed right alot, but even during that time he still struck out alot and didnt walk alot. Now at Toledo hes trying different swings and setups so hes struggling. He could use his old way of hitting at Toledo now and do well there but hes trying to find a swing that works in MLB but may not have the batspeed for MLB in which case hes screwed and will go to Japan. Tork has elite ability to track pitch and pick up rekease , spin and pitch type but is unable to use it due to this lack of bat speed- thus needing to guess. The key will be for a hitting coach to find a way to increase his batspeed to unlock his game , otherwise he gone.
Bit too early to call him a bust. Alec Bohm was a bust and now he's on pace for 140+ RBI. People were starting to say Ohtani might be a bust, relative to the hype, a couple years into his career. People who invested tons into his rookie cards ended up selling low and missed out on the boom for his cards after 2 MVPs and a second place in 3 years. And conversely, look at guys like Miguel Andujar, Yoan Moncada, etc. They looked like stars and then fell off the map.
#1 overall picks shows that the highest to lowest probability of success are the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, respectively with the NHL/NFL showing around 65% chance for success while being around 50% in the NBA with the MLB being around 40% which is a scary prospect (no pun intended)!!!
Emotionally, I've given up on him. He is sort of symbolic of the team in a way, he will give you just enough to have some hope that he can turn it around then follow that up with a a week long slump. Logically, he's 24, 30 home runs simply cannot be a fluke (right?) And there is still 4 months of the season to go. But the more time he spends taking pitches he should swing and destroying his average and on base, the less time he has to bring those numbers up. I'm convinced that a combination of 2020 having no season and 2022 disaster rookie season completely destroyed his development. If he succeeds, it will not be with the tigers
Why not to focus on, Homer's as a primary hit but, keep the ball down and, or find gaps in the infield and, out field. Home runs are a mistake pitch pro-level hitters make, pitcher pay for.
I'm still cautiously optimistic with Tork.. I think it's 100% mental with him. I think he'll figure things out and we'll see him stick for good next year.
As an ASU fan, I wanted my Dodgers to make a deal to acquire him after Justin Turner. I really hope you can figure it out in AAA and make his way back up.
As a tigers fan I have a hard time with this. He feels like a bust. But then he hit like 30 HR in the last half of last season. So he showed he had it. Now he's doing terrible again. Idk man
Hard to re-work your swing during the season...if he actually wants to change his mechanics and approach (and there's talk that he doesn't) it's going to have to happen ion the off season
Something not mentioned is AJ Hinch constantly tinkering with the line up. One game Tork bats 3rd, the next 7th, some games 2 ABs some the whole game. Comerica Park dimensions + Hinch over analyzing cyber metrics are hurting the tigers offense including Tork
His swing is jacked. He's consciously pulling his hand off the bat. It's not natural. Dude isn't enjoying the game because he isn't the best player on the team and he's letting it affect him big time. Smh.
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Spencer Torkelson, known 2022-year old
LOL! Love the content bro. Just found it funny.
Please don't do Henry Davis
@2:22
I noticed that, too. Funny stuff, man.
Spencer Methuselah Torkelson. Professional old man
I’m so happy that JRam quote is being immortalized by being in a Happy Grape video
The Tigers inability to develop hitting prospects is something that needs to be studied. Since the turn of the century, only Bobby Higginson in 2000, Curtis Granderson in 2009 and Torkelson in 2023 have hit 30 homers in a Tigers uniform while also being a Tigers draft pick. Every other 30 homer hitter in that time frame for Detroit was a free agent or trade acquisition with almost all of them already being established hitters. Their pitching development has been great but as a Tigers fan, watching every hitting prospect we have either being a bust or they end up being far better elsewhere is so frustrating.
Sounds like the Mariners
@@drivewithbishop4426 Midwest Mariners indeed. Great Lakers if you will
Try being a giants fan. Guess the last guy to hit 30 with us
@cambusquaert9632 Mate the Giants had 3 World Series wins in 5 years just a decade ago with a league MVP that they drafted and developed, I think you've survived lmao
@@RilesIsTall don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t give those back for anything, it would be nice to break the stigma of hitting in oracle tho
He’s 24. This is pretty much is late sophomore slump. He’s got time
Edit: yea, I don’t know about that
Look at what Soto had accomplished by age 24. Torkelson is a MAJOR BUST
@@LaTortugaCards Crazy to expect everyone to be Soto lol
@@vibin7027 Torkelson’s career WAR is -1.7. Crazy to call it a “sophomore slump” when he’s never had a good season
I'm not saying he's not gonna be good (He will likely figure it out to some degree) but I'd say he is likely going to end up being a bust for what his expectations were. His good season so far only resulted in a 105 ops+ as a poor fielding first baseman which is not worthy of being a full-time player. He should be able to get back to that level but is he able to find the consistency to be deserving of being a starting first baseman? Hoping that he is able to find that
*junior slump
2:23 I keep replaying this over and over "The then 2022 year old" Is blowing my mind lmao its beautiful
As a tigers fan, it’s a lack of aggression. He takes low 90s fastballs down the middle especially early in the at bat. He’s swinging at the first pitch 10% less than last year. Its all mental
Reminds me of my favorite player. Christopher morel these young guys are just getting in their own way hopefully they turn it around
Which the coaches (we all know are bad) have to find a way to help him in any way
Morel is just getting insanely unlucky. I feel like he smokes a ball that gets caught every game.
@@cubsfan2016W 1000% the case he’s also playing on a bad foot every game he re injured again tonight
He probably has the coaches filling his head with too much garbage. I don't think he's going to make it in the majors at this point though.
Finally, a Torkelson video.
I feel like every at bat I see of him he's popping out or making weak contact. He's so close yet so far right now. I think it will click eventually. 30 home runs last year showed that he has the potential.
I will say as a Tigers fan, I have confidence in Torkelson. He’s a really good guy, a incredibly hard worker, and a team leader.
There’s a lot of negativity right now as a lot of Tigers fans are giving up on him and also hyper focusing on just him (a good majority of the team is slumping due to lack of aggression in the zone) however I refuse to give up on him. People seem to forget that he has just recently hit the full 2 seasons worth of games played. He missed a lot of time in the minors, and was thrown to the wolves in the Majors.
I have faith, even though a lot of other fans don’t. My bigger issue with the tigers is how incredibly conservative Scott Harris is with calling up prospects, especially when you see Zach MicKinstry and Jake Rogers getting major league AB’s while J-hen and Dillon Dingler dominate AAA.
All in all, I have faith in the person, and by proxy the ball player, and I refuse to give up on a 24 year old who’s had a 31 homer season
I think a lot of the negativity comes out of frustration knowing and seeing what is and can be in him as a player. We watch players like McKinstry and just that’s who he is. Torkelson has such a high, high ceiling (we’ve seen it), but we are watching the floor. It is nothing against him personally, it’s more aggravated because we are hoping for the guy to be great and we know he can be.
@@jordannawrocki3362 I know, I just wish so many people wouldn’t be so incredibly negative and vocal. I know he’s struggling, But I’ve never been one to call for people to be cut, or if I do I will delete the comment once I’ve calmed down
as an everyday watcher of the Tigers, this is so good. the amount of times i scream SWINGGGG at Tork per night seems to multiply daily
Or yelling c’mon man every time he does swing and it’s right through a fastball down the middle.
If you sort 2020 draft class by WAR Tork is dead last
Since only about 3% of the 2020 draft class (if that) have touched a major league field that would still put him in the upper echelon of the class success wise.
Still better than Asa Lacy who mailed it in very early.
Well yeah, he's bottom 10% in the majors and a large portion of that draft haven't made it to the majors
Well he’s got a lot of playing time and plays brutal defense at 1st base.
Toby Keith mentioned in a Happy Grape video? What a day
Can we get a modern tigers trade history, its crazy
I'd rather not have to remember any of those trades
@@Karmy.same
@@Karmy. Agreed
It will just cause more suffering
Thanks for the reminder 😵💫
Your comedy in this video was incredible! Please keep it letting coming out
Don't give up on torkelson. He's a beast
Thanks for a measured and level headed take on Tork!
Scherzer wasn't a rookie, he started 30 games for Arizona the year before the Tigers traded for him
That "ho-OOOme" made me physically wince
every saturday i get to hear the happy grape talk about baseball with mario music in the background life is good
I'm rooting for Tork, I hope he finds a way to breakout sooner rather than later.
my sweet prince Tork... Please revive your career :(
Gay
What career? He really hasn't established one
Well he went from a .201 to .244 average in Toledo over the last couple weeks! Wow!!!
Funny how I'm watching the Red Sox/Tigers game while I watch this. I'm a Sox fan, but I have nothing against the Tigers since 2013 when we faced them in the ALCS and they were so good, but we beat them. Hopefully Spencer figures it out...again. Great video, Jolly!
It is Tuesday, 3 days later, and yesterday the Tigers sent him down to the minors to, according to A J Hinch, to make adjustments to his swing and apparently also to improve his defense at first base.
I just want to say your taste in video game music is 10/10
Saturdays are good days because we get a new Jolly video.
Thanks jolly you got him sent to AAA
He was drafted by the tigers who are notorious for horrendous position player development. No one wants to admit it but players careers change drastically based on who drafts you. Tork would be an all star if drafted by a Houston/Atlanta/Philadelphia/etc.
He's going to get traded to Houston in 2027 and become an All-Star that year, isn't he?
No he wouldn't. Why can Colt Keith, Kerry Carpenter, and Riley Greene develop just fine? Don't make excuses.
It's confidence. His coaches have a combined 0 MLB at bats, and one never even played minor league baseball.
This video made me happy, thank you Jolly
Maybe your best vid to date Jolly! Love it
13:10 pulling fly balls is one of the most effective way to hit more home runs
5:40 I love it😂
thanks for the breakdown, good stuff! fingers crossed Tork will figure it out
Joey Bart. Hes already on a 2nd team. Was drafted to replace Posey. On the same team as Henry Davis.
Its kinda a shame. Though as a Giants fan Pat Bailey is a nice consolation so far
You're a good dude. Really enjoy your content.
Love Jolly, he uses Pokemon music in his vids. Pokemon + Baseball is the best!
Nate Pearson is the player I’m hoping can turn it around, just want him to be a good reliever and still hope he can be a big league starter.
what was the main issue with him as a starter besides injuries etc
@@ethank-l4930 to be honest injuries dropped his name on the depth chart, eventually they wanted to get him through a season in the bullpen, unfortunately he lacks consistency and command, person I feel he tries to throw to many sliders, which I don’t get, when he throws upper 90s. I wish I could see him throw more fastballs and try to work his secondary pitches of that.
Thanks for that pic of Aaron Judge - signed an O's fan
Can you do something on eddy julien because I swear every time he gets to a 3-2 which is often he strikes out
Oh, as a Braves fan it hurts so bad realizing they had 4 of MLBs top 6 hitters by barrel% last year, an this year with 3 of the 4 still healthy Marcell Ozuna is the only one who can hit gis way out of a paper bag.
Wassup, Jolly? Love the content, bro bro.
I was looking away from the screen during the God Bless America gag, and thought "man, has he just been hunting for a way to use that clip? Then I rewound and got my answer.
the super mario odyssey music is so good here lol
As a Tigers fan I think I can speak on this. I think whats most annoying about Tork is he is just incapable of hitting the mistake pitches. His hips go too early which makes him pull everything. He had a good like week stretch where his timing was good, but now its back to bad. Now defense is atrocious but little underrated thing with him hes elite at scooping at first. Which is helpful when your infield is a converted 3rd basemen at second, a plethora of Gods finest utility players at third, and Javier Baez at short…
i love when boisterous banana uploads
AHHH THE PLATINUM LAKE THEME
My pro career ended the same way, here si the fix. He needs to be comfortable striking out. I know it's weird but when you have been a Pujols-style player, it's tough to get to become Adam Dunn.
Might just be me, but it seems EVERYONE is playing below the normal with the exception of a few players. OPS across the league is down, teams like the Braves and Dodgers aren’t as offensively potent. Seems like pitchers have a greater advantage this season.
I would love to see a video about Dylan Carlson. Cardinals fans including myself thought he was going to be the next face of the franchise after what he did in the second half of 2021
You should make a series out of this called trust or bust i think it would be a good idea for young stars struggling and analyzing them
Is that the Lake Verity theme from Pokémon D&P I hear?
If you remember back in 2022 there was so much hype between him and Jrod and most Baseball people were picking Tork to win the AL ROY. They were literally saying this dude is one of the best all around hitters that we seen in a long time. So for him to be one of the worst players in 2022 was a shock. I cant lie after last year i personally thought this was gonna be the season he really breaks out where he hit 40-50 hrs. That clearly doesn't look like its gonna happen. Hopefully he finds it cause dude definitely has the talent.
I can tell you what it is, just because you dont know doesnt mean nobody does. Tork cant hit 95 without guessing 95. He had a 2 month stretch last year where he guessed right alot, but even during that time he still struck out alot and didnt walk alot. Now at Toledo hes trying different swings and setups so hes struggling. He could use his old way of hitting at Toledo now and do well there but hes trying to find a swing that works in MLB but may not have the batspeed for MLB in which case hes screwed and will go to Japan. Tork has elite ability to track pitch and pick up rekease , spin and pitch type but is unable to use it due to this lack of bat speed- thus needing to guess. The key will be for a hitting coach to find a way to increase his batspeed to unlock his game , otherwise he gone.
Bit too early to call him a bust. Alec Bohm was a bust and now he's on pace for 140+ RBI. People were starting to say Ohtani might be a bust, relative to the hype, a couple years into his career. People who invested tons into his rookie cards ended up selling low and missed out on the boom for his cards after 2 MVPs and a second place in 3 years. And conversely, look at guys like Miguel Andujar, Yoan Moncada, etc. They looked like stars and then fell off the map.
Love to see all those bottom 10 AL players on the Mariners roster.
Shows how hard the pitching is carrying them to be first in the worst division.
That’s baseball?
#1 overall picks shows that the highest to lowest probability of success are the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, respectively with the NHL/NFL showing around 65% chance for success while being around 50% in the NBA with the MLB being around 40% which is a scary prospect (no pun intended)!!!
Did anyone catch “Sid” Judge?
Good timing on this one, go see Tork rake in Toledo!
Because of MLB players' bat paths slightly curving upwards as they get through the zone, getting under fastballs IS the same as being late on it.
Emotionally, I've given up on him. He is sort of symbolic of the team in a way, he will give you just enough to have some hope that he can turn it around then follow that up with a a week long slump. Logically, he's 24, 30 home runs simply cannot be a fluke (right?) And there is still 4 months of the season to go. But the more time he spends taking pitches he should swing and destroying his average and on base, the less time he has to bring those numbers up. I'm convinced that a combination of 2020 having no season and 2022 disaster rookie season completely destroyed his development. If he succeeds, it will not be with the tigers
If he keeps it up, how about a vid on David Fry
No ! Leave Fry alone 😂
Wooded Kingdom from SMO is Jolly’s favorite background music
Its all damn over youtube lol
Someone get this video in Torkelson’s inbox asap. He might appreciate the in depth analysis.
Why not to focus on, Homer's as a primary hit but, keep the ball down and, or find gaps in the infield and, out field. Home runs are a mistake pitch pro-level hitters make, pitcher pay for.
With the pitcher aspest: home runs are mistakes they make with, not locating or a fast but, hitable fast ball down the middle.
0:30 Holy crap what happened to Benintendi??
The curse of the White Sux
I'm still cautiously optimistic with Tork.. I think it's 100% mental with him. I think he'll figure things out and we'll see him stick for good next year.
Video on Julio Franco please
He’s got one of my favorite swings hope he turns it around
Most relievers do throw 95+, but Ryan Yarborough does still exist (somehow)
What a video. Explains my pain to a T
I can't wait for you to be sponsored by morton's salt in next month's videos
Just optioned him too wow
As an ASU fan, I wanted my Dodgers to make a deal to acquire him after Justin Turner. I really hope you can figure it out in AAA and make his way back up.
That difference is his spray chart is definitely alarming
I knew it, I knew it I knew it I knew it.
Dude is a right handed Jarred Kelenic. I smelled it since his draft day. He just seemed too good to be true
Do one about how the White Sox need to option Andrew Vaughn please Jolly!!!
Max Scherzer wasn't a Tiger's prospect, he wasn't even a rookie by that point
he’s in his own head to much. The power and talent is still there us tiger fans see it. It’s just all mental for tork he’s gotta get outta his head
My first baseman in fantasy baseball
I drafted him. Released him a month later, because I just didn't have the patience. So far, I haven't been proven wrong.
@@nicholastricarico2957 he had a slow start last season and turned in on after the all star break dont be surprised if he still hits 25 home runs
@@rillerTv Sent down, time to drop him
@@wyattbarnes9641 ik im pissed
You're talking bout time running out for Torkelson who is only in his third year and not Casey Mize? Come on bro
Ozuna (From the Braves) mention
Good timing for Tork to get sent down to AAA
Right on cue he got optioned today, this aged well
Goated for the seinfeld reference
As a tigers fan I have a hard time with this. He feels like a bust. But then he hit like 30 HR in the last half of last season. So he showed he had it. Now he's doing terrible again. Idk man
I saw the title and I thought it would be about Mickey Moniak
tork will be fine, the dudes not even 24 yet. he’s gonna figure it out like all hitters do
Not all hitters figure it out.
@@RupertMumphrey hitters in the big leagues do. that’s what they do
@@braden_clancy11 Then why do some of them perform badly? Why don’t they just “figure it out” and get better?
It's never too late. Jurickson Profar is actively proving this right now.
I think torkelson is struggling this year because he was by far my most drafted player on underdog before season started.
Hard to re-work your swing during the season...if he actually wants to change his mechanics and approach (and there's talk that he doesn't) it's going to have to happen ion the off season
He always takes for me in mlb the show franchise mode lol, so I'm pulling for him ahah
2 Days post video drop:
Spencer Torkelson optioned to Triple A
My sweet Torkapatamous prince, he will figure things out soon
Spencer Tork, jarred kelenic and Joe adell should all seek counseling
Why is the song slowed down like why
torkelson with vottos mind would be an insane player
Something not mentioned is AJ Hinch constantly tinkering with the line up. One game Tork bats 3rd, the next 7th, some games 2 ABs some the whole game. Comerica Park dimensions + Hinch over analyzing cyber metrics are hurting the tigers offense including Tork
Jolly olive makes a video. A day and half later Tork is sent down
After watching this I’m gonna do a Tigers Franchise now and make sure Torkelson is built the way he deserves by hell or high water
His swing is jacked. He's consciously pulling his hand off the bat. It's not natural. Dude isn't enjoying the game because he isn't the best player on the team and he's letting it affect him big time. Smh.
Class video.