All this guide aren't good build!! Maybe good for leveling but not for starting Hard mode! U should not use all this Guides! Like most people on RUclips they makes videos with no sense of the game modding systems!
So the smidge of bad information most people are talking about is the 19.6% crit hit chance is a 19.6% increase of the crit hit chance the weapon already has. If you press TAB on this screen you will will see the weapon's base crit chance. Most weapons in the game sit somewhere near 20% and when you add the 19.6% crit hit chance module, you will see the crit chance actually only goes up by a total of about 4%.
@@latenightcynic3582 He shows a crit modded Tamer build. that 19.6 would be going from the base 10% to 11.9% crit chance. A huge waste of mod space and even reload speed will provide more dps gain.
Many people don't understand that 37.5% Crit Chance on a mod doesn't do 37.5% Crit Chance! It doesn't add 37.5% Crit chance on the base of the weapon like the Tamer has 10% Base Firearm Critical Hit Rate so 10% x 37.5% = 3.75% from the mod = 13.75% BASE Crit chance on the gun! Same for Crit damage mod! U can check your stat in your inventory "Go to Info" Keybinds W on PC! You should better use the space of mods like weak point damage on the Tamer and invest in these type of mods! This add more Weak Point Damage on this weapon on the multiplier from weapons that start at 1 x . And u do more damage on BOSS like this!
ya i notices this when i checked my actual stats think im at like 2.3 crit dmg 21 ish crit (skill dmg) its update so cant look im using thunder cage i only have bunny 4th reset and 5 resets on weapon f the gun hes showing its fine if ur a tank and u can stand in 1 spot but for like everyone else ur pretty much dead standing in 1 spot i have 3 second no bullets cost mod almost maxed and have 1 empty slot 378000 dps lost slot will be 3 second no bullet cost on crit wont be maxed that way the timers wont match up i wonder if it stacks on timer or the are separate either way i shoot like 2.5 clips when the mod proc other think i want to know is if when using bunny and ur cd is low enough when u double use the skill does dmg double or just reset probably just resets skill cd finishes and it still going another 2 seconds or more i have semi good reactor crit with .1 skill length need the skill rang or crit dmg with crit thunder cage singular or fushion....i have the mode that makes ulti explode rng in the game is nuts i have 1 piece to ultimate bunny and its all ive been farming for i feel like i could max bunny b4 these damn things drop for me bahhhh still havent upgraded reactor and have been crafting the mats for upgrades the whole time god roll only ffs got crit blue state and 3 gold stats on thunder fire arm dmg crit dmg and weak point
Yeah I played close beta also on warframe and I'm Legedary 4 in warframe... The Thunder Cage isn't the Tamer, Thunder cage has better crit stat so this one you can add Crit mods.But the Tamer u don't build the same as an Thunder Cage.
@@lance_jasperson For Bunny Best Reactor is Singular because ur damage-skill is the first one and third one. And Reactor are just for your skills this doesn't add DPS to ur weapon. Mounted weapons add DPS to ur skills of the descendant. Substats of the reactor add also stats to your skills of the descendant.
@@JohnSmith-lo8rr This has nothing to do with a lack of knowledge of another game. It has to do with a lack of knowledge with how percentages work and this is exploited by marketers and gatcha games all the time. The alternative health industry uses it as a way to manipulate people into thinking that actual medicine carries some super high risk and that their "natural" methods are better. They will say stuff like "You are 50% more likely to die of a heart attack if you take this medication." 50% increase from what? 0.35%? This doesn't mean that suddenly you are now have a 50.35% of of having a heart attack - a 50% increase from 0.35% equates to 0.525%.
A lot of people are using the Tamer machine gun. Crit mods are very good however the Tamer has REALLY bad crit stats making the mods scale horribly. aka don't build into crit on the Tamer, it is not worth the investment
Yeah, 8:33 people should not confuse the _increase_ in crit chance with the _actual_ crit chance (which you can see by pressing TAB on that screen). The weapons base stats WRT crit chance, damage, and weak point will determine whether you build for more crit, more weak point, or just raw ATK w/ elemental
I don't really see any helpful tips in the comments about when to mod for crit so coming from warframe the general rule of thumb is 20% base or higher is when you would be okay with adding crit mods to a weapon. Hope this helps. Good video and tips for new players
Don't mod for crit unless it's a gun with a very high crit chance... like the one pistol has 40% that might be worth it ..plus most guns are 1 to 2x crit dmg .. I have found very few that are worth crit builds
Generally building for crit isn’t bad but it would depend on the guns base crit if it’s imo 15-20 and up it’s not a bad idea but imo weak point damage goes a bit harder for boss fights but if you’re going to play valby then building for crit is good (if you didn’t know valby has a transcendent mod that increases crit while standing on water) best stats to build for general use are base attack mods, fire rate,elements, mag size and weak point damage are the go too
Looks like you don't understand the crit and weak point modules. That 19% crit rate isn't an extra 19% chance to crit, it's a multiplier to your base crit chance, si it's only an increase of 1.9% crit chance. Don't look at that window when comparing your stats for modules. Press tab, and see the weapon window.
I made this mistake very early on. I farmed thundercage and used those modes. Then I looked at what it really did and I didn’t like the results. Atk recoil elemental dmg and weak points are the way forward.
please for the love of god dont build into a gun just for the DPS number, the nexon devs did a great job doing the virtual calculations on the DPS increase but that is NOT going to be the end all be all for your final damage. The whole weakpoint is better than crit on the tamer arguement is already common knowledge but putting firerate on the tamer is not the best option, just keep speccing it for raw DPS and then use your elemental mods for elemental weakness and status debuffs, itll be better in the long run since that weapon already has great stats.
Key information for seemingly a lot of players: module's percentages work off of the base value and are not additive. If, say, you have a module that gives you 50% bonus crit rate, but your weapon only has a base value of 12% crit rate, you won't get 62% crit rate. You'll actually get 18% crit rate. So it's not worth it. A general rule of thumb is that fast firing weapons tend to have low crit rates, but slow firing weapons tend to have higher crit rates. Like snipers for example.
I want to point out that there's a diffence between Skill Power and Skill Power Modifier. When looking at a skill like Overkill for Lepic, increasing Skill Power will make the words "Skill Power" turn green. However, increasing the Skill Power Modifier will make the PERCENT indicator turn green and increase. The Modifier is only additive. Adding 50 SP Modifier is pretty ineffective for abilities that already have a high Modifier by default. For example, Overkill starts at 2760%, so adding 50% Modifier via a module only increases it to 2810%. This means, Modifier modules are good for low-Modifier abilities, and Skill Power modules are best for high-Modifier abilities. Modifier has also been referred to as "Motion Value" for those of you who may understand the concept from other games.
Very very very helpful my guy tysm Fr after work i will try this and come back and let u know how it goes and my favorite so far is ULT Ajax and ULT Bunny
People need to learn when to use Crit and when not to use crit, understand that if a weapons base crit is very low, adding a bunch of crit to the weapon doesnt boost it as much as they think and they are wasting a module slot on it when they can do way more damage without it. Tamer is the prime example of a gun people are mistakenly adding crit to when its base crit is so very low its pointless.
When in the mod screen of weapons it REALLY helps to press tab to see the full information. That will be a LOT more helpful compared to basic info. Honestly it feels like basic info tells me nothing compared to what the tab info shows. And yes, elemental effects do appear on the tab info page. Though it feels like it may be tough to do, note that a lot of the mods get better in the last few levels. So like if it's giving 2%, 2%, 2%, those last few levels would be something like 5%. (I haven't really verified this, but it's what people have always pointed out on mod specific videos.) So I'd recommend considering focusing on fewer very strong mods vs a ton of low level ones.
Deltia I would recommended always pressing tab on the weapon screen. It gives a much better picture. Also for status effects you have to take in consideration the status effect chance of the weapon (also in the tab screen). Also the tamer doesn't seem like a good crit gun. It might be better to stick to other stats
You absolutely don't want to build into crit with Tamer. You can see the % on the tab page, but it's so low there is no point building into it at all. It's all about the weakspots vs. bosses.
People need to understand DPS is calculated as EVERY BULLET hits the target… so put on a recoil mod and you’ll out dps someone with a higher dps number
I think accuracy is what you really want in machine guns. I found I can correct for the recoil easily with my mouse, and accuracy is what helped my shots go where I was aiming despite the reticle bloom from sustained full auto.
Awesome stuff my guy, earlier videos were for the new players and I can see you at the point of hard bosses and starting to get to the juicy stuff. Can’t wait for your next video.
your showing appylied values, your not getting 21% crit rate, your getting something like 0.7 because 21% is of the base value, the tammer has low base crit rate so not worth modding crit rate,
@@kingosama9763paper stats mean nothing in this game.just big flashy number to get your attention. At best they show the potential damage but still not accurate. Build you a weapon and go test it and u will see.
@kingosama9763 there is another screen when in the gun mods menu that will show you how the added values of the gun mods effect the gun So the Tamer you can add 50% crit but your still only sitting at 15% crit rate.😊
@@kingosama9763 Crit things build on the BASE crit value. So, say a thing says +20% Crit chance. The Tamer's base, off the top of my head, is like 9% Crit chance. So 20% of 9% is 1.8%, so the new total is now 10.8%. If you compare that to something that has a reasonable chance, like I think hand cannon's are around 20% base. That's then 20% of 20%, so +4, so that's going up to 24% from 20%. A MUCH bigger gain. So, even if you stack a TON onto the base 9%, it's not going to be a good gain for the mod capacity you are spending compared to building on stats it's good at.
Good vid bro, a bit of advice though, build on your weapons base stats and help the weakness and support the strengths. That tamer probably has 10% actual crit chance
I maxed out my Thunder Cage. Currently sit at 552k dps with 10 slots left. I use those to add one of the elemental enhancement mod. I got all 5 at 10 slot cost so depending on what I fight, I place the appropriate elemental mod in. Stiil have the 4 attributes of the gun to improve. Needless to say, my Thunder Cage hit hard...
What's the highest DPS number on a gun pre-Pyromaniac? I have a 62k DPS machine gun and it still feels like we can't beat the Pyro because we don't do enough damage.
He has really high resistance to Firearm ATK so it could be better to go for skill damage or just grind more so you lvl up your modules to do even more damage with your guns.
People thinking crit chance and damage isnt not the best mod is wild. It literally multiplies all the damage you do, yes it requires investment but once you get sockets modifiers it is by far the strongest module. So if you are lacking sockets types then sure other means of consistent damage maybe better. Weak point only matters if you are actively paying attention to weak point types. If you are using a crush type weapon on a piercing weak point boss, those weak point mods do absolutely nothing. This is why crit is the superior module on the Tamer or your go-to weapon. Overall use multiple damage sources, and use weak point on your secondary and tertiary weapons and ALWAYS add the proper elemental damage type to your boss encounters.
People who say that are talking about specific things, like Tamer. Off the top of my head it's like a 9% crit chance. So it's not worth the mod cost to try and push that compared to something it is good at like increasing weakspot damage. The people you are referring to are likely not saying they are flat out not good, and mean depending on the weapon some are better or worse for certain mods.
Investir em critico na tamer não é inteligente, tamer não é arma de critico. Digamos que você investiu muitos pontos em modulos de critico e atingiu 80% de critico chance, você não terá 80% de chance critica, você terá um aumento de 80% do critico base da arma. Tamer tem 10% de chance critica, logo você teria somente 18% de chance critica após investir tantos pontos em critico. Seria muito melhor pegar esses montantes de pontos gastos em critico e investir de dano de ataque bruto ou cadência de disparo. Isso deve ser analisado para cada arma individualmente, tem arma que tem o critico base de 40% e aí esses mesmos 80% de critico adicionais nos módulos faria uma arma sair de 40% para fucking 72% de critico, e aí sim faria sentido.
@@redcobra1246 oh yea fore sure but my point was if you are defaulting your primary weapon as the tamer or thunder cage. Putting weak point modules on vs a boss who has piercing weak point nets 0 benefit. I usually keep my divine punishment/tamer (my primary depending on who I am playing) pretty static only swapping out for elemental types. Then alternating 2 and 3 for the weak point types. I'll add weak point modules to them but use as many sources of modifiers to upgrade the damage. Granted if the boss is weak against crush then I'll swap my primary weapons to have some weak point damage. Going all-in on only x, y or z is not the best setup.
tamer has low base crit rate, building crit on it is a big waste of capacity. max better insight AND max insight focus only increase the crit rate of the tamer by 5.35%. that is 27 (or 14) wasted capacity and two wasted module slots. the amount of damage that you will generate by having an extra 5.35% crit chance is like less than half of any other damage module but it costs twice as much
There is actually two elemental mods you wanna run for each boss, enhancement and gunbarrel. You also wanna run mental focus … it’s a pain to get Grind for though.
Alot of people are saying ~20-25k Defense is all that is needed (unless you play Ajax with Defense-related skills), and HP increase is significantly better.
Dude I subscribed because I just had my mind blown 🤯. I just had the mod situation made simple. Could you do one on just farming for those two characters? That would be fun
A thing about crit, check the weapons base stats, unless crit hit rate is at least 25%, forget crit as it won't trigger often enough. 10% crit hit/dmg adds 1% to the value of 1.0 base. Weakpoint, here just don't bother. 10% weakpoint should add 0.1% to the value of 1.0 base, but some mods are bugged and only add 0.04 while the 5% adds 0.05.
To make it easier to understand, these additional types of modules are just made up! There is no such thing as other kinds of types of damage! It just calling the damage type with a different name. Here's an example. Let's say the devs want to give a total of dame of output at a total of 100. So 100 divided by 4. Attk:25, ice:25, fire:25, poison:25, impact:25 for one round, equals 100! I could call it soap bubble damage and add a visual effect, and it'll still be damage of 25. They complicate things further by adding percentages into the mix to make it all the more confusing! That will give scale to the formula. Ultimately, it's still a damage output of 100. They just want to take out your calculator to make it more complicated than it really is!
Don’t use crit mods on tamer, if you look at the guns base stats and then apply crit you will see the crit mods actually do nothing for that weapon, you need to use other mods for sources of damage.
Energy activators work differently for descendants and weapons. Weapons get +30, and Descendants get +20. If you are still coming up short then it is a Mastery Rank difference.
the only viable descendant tamer crit build for me is Valby.. Her moisture module will add 20% CRIT to the BASE VALUE of the weapon.. so if tamer is 10% base value it will be 30% as long as you are standing in the water.. this 30% base value can now get modified by the applied values of the modules in the gun.. Base crit in total it would reach 50+% for a Tamer..
Is it worth it to use 6 of my crystallisation catalysts on my normal Gley right now? I feel like its a waste since I will try to farm ultimate Gley as soon as I reach hard mode.. But at the same time I need to survive in hard mode so not upgrading her also doesn’t feel right.. what should I do?
IMO there's no need to spend them all to perform decent in hard mode. I've beaten all hard mode bosses with no catalyst on any of my descendants (nor the other expansion module thing). Just max those defense and shield modules and focus on reaching the minimum recommended resistance (via external components and flat element resistance modules when maxed, which give around 4.5k resistance) and you should be safe with any "paper" descendant. Now, reaching a high dps on bosses could get tricky, for that farm a decent purple reactor, get a Tamer machinegun, roll some good traits on it and max those ATK modules. The rest is just getting decent party members, which can be annoying at some times, but remember, if you're not pulling AT LEAST 17-18M total damage on bosses, theres a DPS issue. Hope this helps! :)
Stun can be caused by Sharen and Ajax abilities. You'll know it happens because the debuff will show on the enemy. My take is it isn't worth it as bosses and colossi can't get the debuff, so the perk is no good there. It might be fine for elites as they can be stunned, but there are likely much better weapons.
The way you pointed your crit chance % was incorrect if u hit tab it will show you the stat on the gun. The one you pointed is the mod effect on the weapon just an fyi. Also you compared fire atk to firearm atk two different stats by far one is raw damage the other is elemental damage
I mean if you are going to play Valby or Freyna then why not? Python has really good recoil, weak point damage and accuracy. It is made for AoE DoT characters like Valby and Freyna but because it is weak point focused you either need to be a crack shot or use it for bossing. I believe Python infusing increases the debuff percentages it applies. Not too sure as I am working on ultimate shotguns since no one else is.
I have my thunder cage at 502k dps if you want me to I can share my build with you, I don't think it's the best but it works for me and I use it for the first 4 hard bosses solo
Applied values are not “true values”. You have to go to weapon info for true value. If your crit rate is 1% and your applied value is 100%, your crit rate is now 2 (1+100% of 1 = 2 because 100% of 1 is 1). Also. If your crit rate is already so low, wouldn’t you benefit more from boosting a stat that is already mid tier on the weapon. Like you wouldn’t try to improve the fire rate on a sniper rifle.
My tamer has 588k dps, mods are, Rifling Reinforcement, Fire Rate Up, Action And Reaction, Better concentration, Better Insight, Concentration Priority, Reload Insight, Real-Life Fighter. i crit for 180k damage with max stacks of RLF
Do NOT use crit rate on the tamer unless you are that water decendant (forgot her name) with her red crit buff mod. It adds almost no crit chance. Go damage, weakpoint dmg, firerate etc,
wrong the card supply moisture adds skill crit hit NOT weapon crit hit. Tamer should be ATK and weakpoint. People also sleeping on the Mental focus mod with extra mag capacity.
its update so cant look im using thunder cage i only have bunny 4th reset and 5 resets on weapon f the gun hes showing its fine if ur a tank and u can stand in 1 spot but for like everyone else ur pretty much dead standing in 1 spot i have 3 second no bullets cost mod almost maxed and have 1 empty slot 378000 dps last slot will be 3 second no bullet cost on crit wont be maxed that way the timers wont match up i wonder if it stacks on timer or the are separate either way i shoot like 2.5 clips when the mod proc other think i want to know is if when using bunny and ur cd is low enough when u double use the skill does dmg double or just reset probably just resets skill cd finishes and it still going another 2 seconds or more i have semi good reactor crit with .1 skill length need the skill rang or crit dmg with crit thunder cage singular or fushion....i have the mode that makes ulti explode rng in the game is nuts i have 1 piece to ultimate bunny and its all ive been farming for i feel like i could max bunny b4 these damn things drop for me bahhhh still havent upgraded reactor and have been crafting the mats for upgrades the whole time god roll only ffs got crit blue state and 3 gold stats on thunder fire arm dmg crit dmg and weak point
Tech power increase is additive elements are multiplied lean into elements critical and cooldown 1 hp mod 1 defence for instance my tech card for lepic increased my damage by 200k my fire did it by 2 million both have the same values
I understand but if you think about it, its only a 20% damage difference. When using that weapon in hand. You either use your abilities with only that weapon or just get a purple one for 140% all the time.
These comments are confusing what MODs are just guaranteed crit buffs of 30-50% rate/buff base and what not. Been trying to kill the executioner for a week or 2 and I paid 100$ for the Ultimate Bunny and she’s not as tanky as I thought and that’s my only descendant nor do I feel like spending 1K$ on unlocking characters 😂
Love the videos. Could you think about doing one on mid game difficulty spike? IDK if I am just not building correctly or what, this is the first game of this style I have actually tried to put time into, but it felt like up to Agna Desert I was mostly able to finish content regardless of if I lucked out with a party or not. After that even with trying to grind out some guns and mods I just can't seem to keep up most of the time and if there is not a party for me to join it is gonna be an uphill battle. Any tips and tricks for that mid/later game spike would be great!
Depend on what you need, thunder cage is unmatch for clearing mobs, fallen hope is a must if you play freyna, tamer is boss melter.... all base on situation, sometime normal weapon is better than ultimate
Ive noticed thunder cage is the best for ad clear and Fallen hope is best for freyna, But DO NOT sleep on the python smg, its the strongest SMG in the game.
@rabb1tdotcom-ie3vk elemental as a roll is a base 1-5k damage per bullet. Elemental mod is 8-30% base damage off your totally firearm atk. Aka the mod could do thousands of damage per bullet where as the roll will never do more than it states. 20k firearm atk. 30%. Is 6k per bullet
still dont get it.. WHY it should be ONLY Chill Enhancement, not for example Fire or Toxic??? You are like the second guys who uses chill instead of what you exactly need in the current situation
It's a shame your videos don't pop up at the top when I look for something on youtube. Wasted so much time watching and trying out guides which are just clickbait at the end of the day. Could you do a video about the Kuiper farm or whatever it's called.
U say that u r a NOOB. Boy, is that an Understatement of the decade. I have learned and heard more than anything that I have watched on the game's descendant character building from the introduction till now. Straightaway subscribed and it is awesome.
Hope you start melting them bosses! Below are helpful links:
Written Guide: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-how-to-increase-your-dps/
Tier List: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendants-best-characters-classes-tier-list/
Builds: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-best-builds-all-characters/
Weapons Guide: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-the-5-best-weapons-to-collect/
Vestigial Organ: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-best-vestigial-organ-build-guide/
Tamer: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-best-tamer-build-guide/
Thunder Cage: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-best-ultimate-thunder-cage-build-guide/
Eternal Willpower: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-best-eternal-willpower-build-guide/
Greg’s Reversed Fate: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-best-ultimate-gregs-reversed-fate-build-guide/
Sigvore’s Proof: deltiasgaming.com/the-first-descendant-best-ultimate-sigvores-proof-build-guide/
Just like in ESO you dont actually do proper testing and put out trash information.
All this guide aren't good build!! Maybe good for leveling but not for starting Hard mode! U should not use all this Guides! Like most people on RUclips they makes videos with no sense of the game modding systems!
So the smidge of bad information most people are talking about is the 19.6% crit hit chance is a 19.6% increase of the crit hit chance the weapon already has. If you press TAB on this screen you will will see the weapon's base crit chance. Most weapons in the game sit somewhere near 20% and when you add the 19.6% crit hit chance module, you will see the crit chance actually only goes up by a total of about 4%.
@@latenightcynic3582 He shows a crit modded Tamer build. that 19.6 would be going from the base 10% to 11.9% crit chance. A huge waste of mod space and even reload speed will provide more dps gain.
Have a Question about those weapons reactors want to have.
Does it work if i have this weapon equipped or do i have to actively use them?
Many people don't understand that 37.5% Crit Chance on a mod doesn't do 37.5% Crit Chance! It doesn't add 37.5% Crit chance on the base of the weapon like the Tamer has 10% Base Firearm Critical Hit Rate so 10% x 37.5% = 3.75% from the mod = 13.75% BASE Crit chance on the gun! Same for Crit damage mod! U can check your stat in your inventory "Go to Info" Keybinds W on PC! You should better use the space of mods like weak point damage on the Tamer and invest in these type of mods! This add more Weak Point Damage on this weapon on the multiplier from weapons that start at 1 x . And u do more damage on BOSS like this!
It's crazy to me how many people are making modding guides that have clearly never played Warframe, on which nearly the entire system is based.
ya i notices this when i checked my actual stats think im at like 2.3 crit dmg 21 ish crit (skill dmg) its update so cant look im using thunder cage i only have bunny 4th reset and 5 resets on weapon f the gun hes showing its fine if ur a tank and u can stand in 1 spot but for like everyone else ur pretty much dead standing in 1 spot i have 3 second no bullets cost mod almost maxed and have 1 empty slot 378000 dps lost slot will be 3 second no bullet cost on crit wont be maxed that way the timers wont match up i wonder if it stacks on timer or the are separate either way i shoot like 2.5 clips when the mod proc other think i want to know is if when using bunny and ur cd is low enough when u double use the skill does dmg double or just reset probably just resets skill cd finishes and it still going another 2 seconds or more i have semi good reactor crit with .1 skill length need the skill rang or crit dmg with crit thunder cage singular or fushion....i have the mode that makes ulti explode rng in the game is nuts i have 1 piece to ultimate bunny and its all ive been farming for i feel like i could max bunny b4 these damn things drop for me bahhhh still havent upgraded reactor and have been crafting the mats for upgrades the whole time god roll only ffs got crit blue state and 3 gold stats on thunder fire arm dmg crit dmg and weak point
Yeah I played close beta also on warframe and I'm Legedary 4 in warframe... The Thunder Cage isn't the Tamer, Thunder cage has better crit stat so this one you can add Crit mods.But the Tamer u don't build the same as an Thunder Cage.
@@lance_jasperson For Bunny Best Reactor is Singular because ur damage-skill is the first one and third one. And Reactor are just for your skills this doesn't add DPS to ur weapon. Mounted weapons add DPS to ur skills of the descendant. Substats of the reactor add also stats to your skills of the descendant.
@@JohnSmith-lo8rr This has nothing to do with a lack of knowledge of another game. It has to do with a lack of knowledge with how percentages work and this is exploited by marketers and gatcha games all the time. The alternative health industry uses it as a way to manipulate people into thinking that actual medicine carries some super high risk and that their "natural" methods are better. They will say stuff like "You are 50% more likely to die of a heart attack if you take this medication."
50% increase from what? 0.35%? This doesn't mean that suddenly you are now have a 50.35% of of having a heart attack - a 50% increase from 0.35% equates to 0.525%.
A lot of people are using the Tamer machine gun. Crit mods are very good however the Tamer has REALLY bad crit stats making the mods scale horribly. aka don't build into crit on the Tamer, it is not worth the investment
Yup, you want to build raw damage, elemental and weak point as you can control that.
@@mirasolovklose3888 It has even lower weak point multiplier. (1x - i.e. doesn't do any additional weakpoint damage)
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Yeah, 8:33 people should not confuse the _increase_ in crit chance with the _actual_ crit chance (which you can see by pressing TAB on that screen). The weapons base stats WRT crit chance, damage, and weak point will determine whether you build for more crit, more weak point, or just raw ATK w/ elemental
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I don't really see any helpful tips in the comments about when to mod for crit so coming from warframe the general rule of thumb is 20% base or higher is when you would be okay with adding crit mods to a weapon. Hope this helps. Good video and tips for new players
Don't mod for crit unless it's a gun with a very high crit chance... like the one pistol has 40% that might be worth it ..plus most guns are 1 to 2x crit dmg .. I have found very few that are worth crit builds
Generally building for crit isn’t bad but it would depend on the guns base crit if it’s imo 15-20 and up it’s not a bad idea but imo weak point damage goes a bit harder for boss fights but if you’re going to play valby then building for crit is good (if you didn’t know valby has a transcendent mod that increases crit while standing on water) best stats to build for general use are base attack mods, fire rate,elements, mag size and weak point damage are the go too
Cheers dude. Really helpfull. Explained thing really well..
Looks like you don't understand the crit and weak point modules. That 19% crit rate isn't an extra 19% chance to crit, it's a multiplier to your base crit chance, si it's only an increase of 1.9% crit chance.
Don't look at that window when comparing your stats for modules. Press tab, and see the weapon window.
I made this mistake very early on. I farmed thundercage and used those modes. Then I looked at what it really did and I didn’t like the results. Atk recoil elemental dmg and weak points are the way forward.
please for the love of god dont build into a gun just for the DPS number, the nexon devs did a great job doing the virtual calculations on the DPS increase but that is NOT going to be the end all be all for your final damage. The whole weakpoint is better than crit on the tamer arguement is already common knowledge but putting firerate on the tamer is not the best option, just keep speccing it for raw DPS and then use your elemental mods for elemental weakness and status debuffs, itll be better in the long run since that weapon already has great stats.
Great video, I’ve watched it 3 times over a few day period and each time I learn something new. Thanks
Key information for seemingly a lot of players: module's percentages work off of the base value and are not additive.
If, say, you have a module that gives you 50% bonus crit rate, but your weapon only has a base value of 12% crit rate, you won't get 62% crit rate. You'll actually get 18% crit rate. So it's not worth it.
A general rule of thumb is that fast firing weapons tend to have low crit rates, but slow firing weapons tend to have higher crit rates. Like snipers for example.
I want to point out that there's a diffence between Skill Power and Skill Power Modifier.
When looking at a skill like Overkill for Lepic, increasing Skill Power will make the words "Skill Power" turn green. However, increasing the Skill Power Modifier will make the PERCENT indicator turn green and increase.
The Modifier is only additive. Adding 50 SP Modifier is pretty ineffective for abilities that already have a high Modifier by default. For example, Overkill starts at 2760%, so adding 50% Modifier via a module only increases it to 2810%.
This means, Modifier modules are good for low-Modifier abilities, and Skill Power modules are best for high-Modifier abilities.
Modifier has also been referred to as "Motion Value" for those of you who may understand the concept from other games.
Very very very helpful my guy tysm Fr after work i will try this and come back and let u know how it goes and my favorite so far is ULT Ajax and ULT Bunny
People need to learn when to use Crit and when not to use crit, understand that if a weapons base crit is very low, adding a bunch of crit to the weapon doesnt boost it as much as they think and they are wasting a module slot on it when they can do way more damage without it. Tamer is the prime example of a gun people are mistakenly adding crit to when its base crit is so very low its pointless.
It's pointless to play this game.
@@johnnycapote9817 for you probably. Not for me, im enjoying it. Nice alt from all the time i put into warframe.
@@johnnycapote9817 then why are you here
@@S3N_Gamingsmae brotha it’s a breath of fresh air from pkaying warframe all the time 😂 building aspects are pretty much the same
When in the mod screen of weapons it REALLY helps to press tab to see the full information. That will be a LOT more helpful compared to basic info. Honestly it feels like basic info tells me nothing compared to what the tab info shows. And yes, elemental effects do appear on the tab info page.
Though it feels like it may be tough to do, note that a lot of the mods get better in the last few levels. So like if it's giving 2%, 2%, 2%, those last few levels would be something like 5%. (I haven't really verified this, but it's what people have always pointed out on mod specific videos.) So I'd recommend considering focusing on fewer very strong mods vs a ton of low level ones.
Of all the guides i watched this is very helpful and very straightforward thank you so much. Keep up the good work!👍
Deltia I would recommended always pressing tab on the weapon screen. It gives a much better picture. Also for status effects you have to take in consideration the status effect chance of the weapon (also in the tab screen).
Also the tamer doesn't seem like a good crit gun. It might be better to stick to other stats
You absolutely don't want to build into crit with Tamer. You can see the % on the tab page, but it's so low there is no point building into it at all. It's all about the weakspots vs. bosses.
You are the first RUclipser who really knows how to break down. The first decendant ~~~ Thank you and subscribe, of course!!!
Very clear and understandable
People need to understand DPS is calculated as EVERY BULLET hits the target… so put on a recoil mod and you’ll out dps someone with a higher dps number
I think accuracy is what you really want in machine guns. I found I can correct for the recoil easily with my mouse, and accuracy is what helped my shots go where I was aiming despite the reticle bloom from sustained full auto.
Awesome stuff my guy, earlier videos were for the new players and I can see you at the point of hard bosses and starting to get to the juicy stuff. Can’t wait for your next video.
Keep making the best content bro bro! I love the way you ex-lain everything I need to know
@Deltiasgaming Am I missing something, or are the red skill modules for Ult Lepic pretty useless??
Super helpful! Thanks.
I see people talking about Warframe alot, but who remembers DEFIANCE??? THAT GAME WAS GOATED!!
your showing appylied values, your not getting 21% crit rate, your getting something like 0.7 because 21% is of the base value, the tammer has low base crit rate so not worth modding crit rate,
So when he added the mods and the weapon damage went up nearly 100k and you’re saying it’s not worth it?
@@kingosama9763paper stats mean nothing in this game.just big flashy number to get your attention. At best they show the potential damage but still not accurate. Build you a weapon and go test it and u will see.
@kingosama9763 there is another screen when in the gun mods menu that will show you how the added values of the gun mods effect the gun
So the Tamer you can add 50% crit but your still only sitting at 15% crit rate.😊
@@kingosama9763it went up by like 15k when he spent all his Kaiper on crit. He would have been better off spending in more base attack.
@@kingosama9763 Crit things build on the BASE crit value. So, say a thing says +20% Crit chance. The Tamer's base, off the top of my head, is like 9% Crit chance. So 20% of 9% is 1.8%, so the new total is now 10.8%. If you compare that to something that has a reasonable chance, like I think hand cannon's are around 20% base. That's then 20% of 20%, so +4, so that's going up to 24% from 20%. A MUCH bigger gain. So, even if you stack a TON onto the base 9%, it's not going to be a good gain for the mod capacity you are spending compared to building on stats it's good at.
Do you have a lepic build video ? Im working on ajax following your build. Appreciate the video info.
Good Stuff !
Good vid bro, a bit of advice though, build on your weapons base stats and help the weakness and support the strengths. That tamer probably has 10% actual crit chance
Bro, I love how you explain things and make things more understandable. 👍👍👍
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Facts....
I maxed out my Thunder Cage. Currently sit at 552k dps with 10 slots left. I use those to add one of the elemental enhancement mod. I got all 5 at 10 slot cost so depending on what I fight, I place the appropriate elemental mod in. Stiil have the 4 attributes of the gun to improve. Needless to say, my Thunder Cage hit hard...
What's the highest DPS number on a gun pre-Pyromaniac? I have a 62k DPS machine gun and it still feels like we can't beat the Pyro because we don't do enough damage.
He has really high resistance to Firearm ATK so it could be better to go for skill damage or just grind more so you lvl up your modules to do even more damage with your guns.
People thinking crit chance and damage isnt not the best mod is wild. It literally multiplies all the damage you do, yes it requires investment but once you get sockets modifiers it is by far the strongest module. So if you are lacking sockets types then sure other means of consistent damage maybe better.
Weak point only matters if you are actively paying attention to weak point types. If you are using a crush type weapon on a piercing weak point boss, those weak point mods do absolutely nothing. This is why crit is the superior module on the Tamer or your go-to weapon.
Overall use multiple damage sources, and use weak point on your secondary and tertiary weapons and ALWAYS add the proper elemental damage type to your boss encounters.
People who say that are talking about specific things, like Tamer. Off the top of my head it's like a 9% crit chance. So it's not worth the mod cost to try and push that compared to something it is good at like increasing weakspot damage. The people you are referring to are likely not saying they are flat out not good, and mean depending on the weapon some are better or worse for certain mods.
Investir em critico na tamer não é inteligente, tamer não é arma de critico.
Digamos que você investiu muitos pontos em modulos de critico e atingiu 80% de critico chance, você não terá 80% de chance critica, você terá um aumento de 80% do critico base da arma.
Tamer tem 10% de chance critica, logo você teria somente 18% de chance critica após investir tantos pontos em critico.
Seria muito melhor pegar esses montantes de pontos gastos em critico e investir de dano de ataque bruto ou cadência de disparo.
Isso deve ser analisado para cada arma individualmente, tem arma que tem o critico base de 40% e aí esses mesmos 80% de critico adicionais nos módulos faria uma arma sair de 40% para fucking 72% de critico, e aí sim faria sentido.
@itschoiboi for bosses you should pay attention to weak point. It's like a second crit source if your gun's weak point multiplier is high enough
@@redcobra1246 oh yea fore sure but my point was if you are defaulting your primary weapon as the tamer or thunder cage. Putting weak point modules on vs a boss who has piercing weak point nets 0 benefit. I usually keep my divine punishment/tamer (my primary depending on who I am playing) pretty static only swapping out for elemental types. Then alternating 2 and 3 for the weak point types. I'll add weak point modules to them but use as many sources of modifiers to upgrade the damage. Granted if the boss is weak against crush then I'll swap my primary weapons to have some weak point damage. Going all-in on only x, y or z is not the best setup.
tamer has low base crit rate, building crit on it is a big waste of capacity. max better insight AND max insight focus only increase the crit rate of the tamer by 5.35%. that is 27 (or 14) wasted capacity and two wasted module slots. the amount of damage that you will generate by having an extra 5.35% crit chance is like less than half of any other damage module but it costs twice as much
There is actually two elemental mods you wanna run for each boss, enhancement and gunbarrel. You also wanna run mental focus … it’s a pain to get
Grind for though.
Very helpful thank you
Tip #1 max build thunder cage, it will carry you till you farm for better weapons I you wont get power crept anytime soon
So as I level up my gun proficiency it gets stronger ??
Alot of people are saying ~20-25k Defense is all that is needed (unless you play Ajax with Defense-related skills), and HP increase is significantly better.
8k is the sweet spot for def
Dude I subscribed because I just had my mind blown 🤯. I just had the mod situation made simple. Could you do one on just farming for those two characters? That would be fun
how to find and farm this specific modules you using and mentioned in video ?
A thing about crit, check the weapons base stats, unless crit hit rate is at least 25%, forget crit as it won't trigger often enough. 10% crit hit/dmg adds 1% to the value of 1.0 base. Weakpoint, here just don't bother. 10% weakpoint should add 0.1% to the value of 1.0 base, but some mods are bugged and only add 0.04 while the 5% adds 0.05.
I went to your website looking for the external components and there is nothing there about what extra stats each one can have
You build tamer as weak point and add an element and pump up your attack. Extra mag, and fire rate.
To make it easier to understand, these additional types of modules are just made up! There is no such thing as other kinds of types of damage! It just calling the damage type with a different name. Here's an example. Let's say the devs want to give a total of dame of output at a total of 100. So 100 divided by 4. Attk:25, ice:25, fire:25, poison:25, impact:25 for one round, equals 100! I could call it soap bubble damage and add a visual effect, and it'll still be damage of 25. They complicate things further by adding percentages into the mix to make it all the more confusing! That will give scale to the formula. Ultimately, it's still a damage output of 100. They just want to take out your calculator to make it more complicated than it really is!
>_> "How to max your dps" proceeds to show a crit build for the Tamer...
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but the dps number in the menus is woefully inaccurate.
Don’t use crit mods on tamer, if you look at the guns base stats and then apply crit you will see the crit mods actually do nothing for that weapon, you need to use other mods for sources of damage.
Some really good info
This is very helpful :O
i hit like a truck full of noodles
What I wanna know is how are you'll mod capacity is at 80 even with my energy activator active it says +20 while you're show +30
Mastery ranks
Energy activators work differently for descendants and weapons. Weapons get +30, and Descendants get +20. If you are still coming up short then it is a Mastery Rank difference.
the only viable descendant tamer crit build for me is Valby.. Her moisture module will add 20% CRIT to the BASE VALUE of the weapon.. so if tamer is 10% base value it will be 30% as long as you are standing in the water.. this 30% base value can now get modified by the applied values of the modules in the gun.. Base crit in total it would reach 50+% for a Tamer..
Is it worth it to use 6 of my crystallisation catalysts on my normal Gley right now? I feel like its a waste since I will try to farm ultimate Gley as soon as I reach hard mode.. But at the same time I need to survive in hard mode so not upgrading her also doesn’t feel right.. what should I do?
IMO there's no need to spend them all to perform decent in hard mode. I've beaten all hard mode bosses with no catalyst on any of my descendants (nor the other expansion module thing). Just max those defense and shield modules and focus on reaching the minimum recommended resistance (via external components and flat element resistance modules when maxed, which give around 4.5k resistance) and you should be safe with any "paper" descendant. Now, reaching a high dps on bosses could get tricky, for that farm a decent purple reactor, get a Tamer machinegun, roll some good traits on it and max those ATK modules. The rest is just getting decent party members, which can be annoying at some times, but remember, if you're not pulling AT LEAST 17-18M total damage on bosses, theres a DPS issue. Hope this helps! :)
It's much much easier to farm the upgrade crystals rather then ultimate Gley
8:01 wait, does weapon proficiency have an impact on weapon stats??
I have been looking at the calvary gun and been trying to figure out how "Stun" works and what triggers it.
Stun can be caused by Sharen and Ajax abilities. You'll know it happens because the debuff will show on the enemy. My take is it isn't worth it as bosses and colossi can't get the debuff, so the perk is no good there. It might be fine for elites as they can be stunned, but there are likely much better weapons.
Thank you helped me understand why I couldn't do much dmg
The way you pointed your crit chance % was incorrect if u hit tab it will show you the stat on the gun. The one you pointed is the mod effect on the weapon just an fyi. Also you compared fire atk to firearm atk two different stats by far one is raw damage the other is elemental damage
How did you get + 30 slots? I can only get +20
What does weapon proficiency do?
Imagine recording this video with comparison and stats on not just mod values
Should I infused the python and the fallen hope? I know it does wonders on the Thunder Cage, but what about the other two?
I mean if you are going to play Valby or Freyna then why not? Python has really good recoil, weak point damage and accuracy. It is made for AoE DoT characters like Valby and Freyna but because it is weak point focused you either need to be a crack shot or use it for bossing. I believe Python infusing increases the debuff percentages it applies. Not too sure as I am working on ultimate shotguns since no one else is.
I have my thunder cage at 502k dps if you want me to I can share my build with you, I don't think it's the best but it works for me and I use it for the first 4 hard bosses solo
Applied values are not “true values”. You have to go to weapon info for true value. If your crit rate is 1% and your applied value is 100%, your crit rate is now 2 (1+100% of 1 = 2 because 100% of 1 is 1). Also. If your crit rate is already so low, wouldn’t you benefit more from boosting a stat that is already mid tier on the weapon. Like you wouldn’t try to improve the fire rate on a sniper rifle.
Every time I see a tips video for this game the first 5 - 10 comments from dudes are like “WRONGGGG!!!!”
Tip 14: have a better PC. Fire rate is directly tied to your FPS. The difference between 30fps and 140fps is around 25% fire rate.
My tamer has 588k dps, mods are, Rifling Reinforcement, Fire Rate Up, Action And Reaction, Better concentration, Better Insight, Concentration Priority, Reload Insight, Real-Life Fighter. i crit for 180k damage with max stacks of RLF
but you only crit like 12% of the time, take off the crit mods and put more raw damage on
Do NOT use crit rate on the tamer unless you are that water decendant (forgot her name) with her red crit buff mod. It adds almost no crit chance. Go damage, weakpoint dmg, firerate etc,
Valby
wrong the card supply moisture adds skill crit hit NOT weapon crit hit. Tamer should be ATK and weakpoint. People also sleeping on the Mental focus mod with extra mag capacity.
Defense is also a junk stat, after 25k-30k iirc
HP is how you tank
its update so cant look im using thunder cage i only have bunny 4th reset and 5 resets on weapon f the gun hes showing its fine if ur a tank and u can stand in 1 spot but for like everyone else ur pretty much dead standing in 1 spot i have 3 second no bullets cost mod almost maxed and have 1 empty slot 378000 dps last slot will be 3 second no bullet cost on crit wont be maxed that way the timers wont match up i wonder if it stacks on timer or the are separate either way i shoot like 2.5 clips when the mod proc other think i want to know is if when using bunny and ur cd is low enough when u double use the skill does dmg double or just reset probably just resets skill cd finishes and it still going another 2 seconds or more i have semi good reactor crit with .1 skill length need the skill rang or crit dmg with crit thunder cage singular or fushion....i have the mode that makes ulti explode rng in the game is nuts i have 1 piece to ultimate bunny and its all ive been farming for i feel like i could max bunny b4 these damn things drop for me bahhhh still havent upgraded reactor and have been crafting the mats for upgrades the whole time god roll only ffs got crit blue state and 3 gold stats on thunder fire arm dmg crit dmg and weak point
Tech power increase is additive elements are multiplied lean into elements critical and cooldown 1 hp mod 1 defence for instance my tech card for lepic increased my damage by 200k my fire did it by 2 million both have the same values
Warframe needs to take tip from this and allow us to have to extra mod skots for f4ames and weapons
Don't waste mod capacity on crit for Tamer, now if you're using Eternal Willpower, go for it.
that all well and good but don't forget to say you have and energy activator applied
Yo bro will u help me beat pyromaniac on normal mode im stock and can’t continue with story.
We gotta forma everything on here too omg
I got electric on my weapon and none of that shows at all
How long did it take for you to grind the ultimate characters? Or did you just purchase them?
hjes a youtuber. he purchased them
I truly dislike that ultimate reactors require the use of an ultimate weapon. But, it is what it is I guess. Good video.
I understand but if you think about it, its only a 20% damage difference. When using that weapon in hand. You either use your abilities with only that weapon or just get a purple one for 140% all the time.
Dislike it in general, or because there isn't an ultimate weapon you like enough to main yet? I'd guess it's this and not a general dislike of it.
Ultimate reactors are a novelty item. You can use purple ones with the same stats and it's only a 20% difference
@@HanzoMishima 20% is quite a bit.
@ningrokz5925 It can be but sometimes you just don't have the right ultimate weapon unlocked
Warframe players seeing em add crit on on none crit weapon lookin like "umm idk about that"
These comments are confusing what MODs are just guaranteed crit buffs of 30-50% rate/buff base and what not. Been trying to kill the executioner for a week or 2 and I paid 100$ for the Ultimate Bunny and she’s not as tanky as I thought and that’s my only descendant nor do I feel like spending 1K$ on unlocking characters 😂
It's all to confusing, who wants to do that much math while trying to relax and play a game.
Agree😂
Agree x2.
I guess the math are for people that want to crunch the numbers and feel good about the weapons they have. I'm just guessing.
@@SpiffySpecs bro
To make it easy for you
Fμck math
oh and 2nd last boss ice dude wrecks me either way res no res u get frozen and bombarded to death either way
@Deltagaming how did you got the tamer at 160k + without mods?
My base tamer is 170k
@@quickshift268 how? Where did you get it?
@@3mPeRaToR it was a level 100 pickup. I just found one at 170, but don't have the material to roll. What's your base dmg?
@@quickshift268 32k 😂
@@3mPeRaToR oh shit, yea needs to be lvl 100 w atk at 12%
Very good video simple but very effective!!! Tank you!
Love the videos. Could you think about doing one on mid game difficulty spike? IDK if I am just not building correctly or what, this is the first game of this style I have actually tried to put time into, but it felt like up to Agna Desert I was mostly able to finish content regardless of if I lucked out with a party or not. After that even with trying to grind out some guns and mods I just can't seem to keep up most of the time and if there is not a party for me to join it is gonna be an uphill battle. Any tips and tricks for that mid/later game spike would be great!
I hate to say it but crit hit rate is wasted on Tamer.. rather add more weak point damage..
What’s the best ultimate weapons?
Depend on what you need, thunder cage is unmatch for clearing mobs, fallen hope is a must if you play freyna, tamer is boss melter.... all base on situation, sometime normal weapon is better than ultimate
Ive noticed thunder cage is the best for ad clear and Fallen hope is best for freyna, But DO NOT sleep on the python smg, its the strongest SMG in the game.
So funny saying max your dps with tamer and dont use mental focus😂😂
Mental focus is such a pain to get though, I don’t blame him.
Either I’m too high or my dps numbers don’t change xD
I remember building my bunny with all damage modules I would die quick but I melt bosses faster 😂😂 don’t do what I did unless u are great at dodging
Iron will is one of the best legendary mods.
my Ajax get 80k defense with 24k hp with no activator or catalysts applied.
Yeah, eternal willpower is worth building into crit. Tamer not so much.
What's the difference between getting an element trait on the gun and the element enhancement mod?
Effectively nothing as far as I know. Ideally you want both. (Because what's on the gun doesn't count against mods.)
@rabb1tdotcom-ie3vk elemental as a roll is a base 1-5k damage per bullet. Elemental mod is 8-30% base damage off your totally firearm atk. Aka the mod could do thousands of damage per bullet where as the roll will never do more than it states. 20k firearm atk. 30%. Is 6k per bullet
Build weak point damage on tammer
This game is basically a warframe/destiny hybrid.
still dont get it.. WHY it should be ONLY Chill Enhancement, not for example Fire or Toxic??? You are like the second guys who uses chill instead of what you exactly need in the current situation
It's a shame your videos don't pop up at the top when I look for something on youtube. Wasted so much time watching and trying out guides which are just clickbait at the end of the day. Could you do a video about the Kuiper farm or whatever it's called.
Crit chance in the Tamer is literally uselless
Being a veteran from Warframe helps
U say that u r a NOOB. Boy, is that an Understatement of the decade. I have learned and heard more than anything that I have watched on the game's descendant character building from the introduction till now. Straightaway subscribed and it is awesome.
anyways all about ur play style i prefer melee character in games soooo to each there own