This song is about how Christians see themselves versus their true actions in reality. how they really treat people. It’s reality versus their projection a faith. He’s not talking about the ones that actually live the way they are scripturally taught in Christianity.
"He’s not talking about the ones that actually live the way they are scripturally taught in Christianity"... ehh, if you look at what the bible actually condones and commands Christians to do (especially in the old testament, but also the new), it's pretty heinous. Your preacher might give you all the nice verses, but the literalists don't cherry pick the nice stuff. I think it's also partly a commentary on American Christians and their "I've got mine, screw you" capitalist attitude, which is very much the opposite of what Jesus stood for.
This is my favorite song on this album, this is so brilliant and the atmosphere throughout the song and the deep lyrics, M’s voice, love it so much, epic song in my humble opinion... 😃 Great reaction, love you guys... 🤗❤️
Wow. Ok. There may be hope for humanity yet. From your godless heathen subscriber, I am proud to have your channel on RUclips. Not sure I’ve ever been more proud of two Christians. Ever. Well done Vin&Sori. Turn those tables in the temple. Wait until you hear Talk Talk.
Vin I freaking love you! Your brilliant at speaking the truth man... I don't identify as Christian but through another route in this crazy life I have embraced a relationship with my Creator... You are true Christian's in my opinion. Preaching the way Jesus would want you to!!!!
I ❤️ how you can see how Sori FEELS the lyrics & the music together! Vin just seems like he rocks out to the beat until he hears an offensive or questionable lyric.
This is the first time I've ever heard this song. I've heard "Judith" and "3 Libras" but that's about all I've heard from A Perfect Circle Thank you for putting the lyrics up, that helps me get a better understanding of the song
@VinAnd Sori This song is NOT a "diss on Christianity" at all. It is actually in agreement with the Bible about the state of the world about how "what is evil shall be called good and what is good shall be called evil." He is saying things are the reverse of how they should be, and not saying that it is a good thing at all; that things like being rich and gluttonous are praised as virtues while things like being "pure of heart" and "peaceful" are treated as weaknesses and people who have those traits get trampled on. The final lyric is actually, "F*** the doomed, you're on your own," not "the new." When he talks about "The new beatitude: 'Good luck, you're on your own,'" he's saying that is the current prevalent attitude in society, "every man for himself," and "F*** the doomed, you're on your own," because these selfish individuals don't care about helping someone else who is "doomed," and leave them to fend for themselves. They only care about helping themselves.
Lmaooooo "it's true....what are you talking about?" 💯💯💯 I love how Maynard bounced from anger to sadness in this, he really knows how to evoke emotion.
Loved it! Absolutely loved it! And I'm not talking about the song (which was great)... Vin, Sori, you both are the voice of reason. This world desperately needs more people like you guys. Much Love & Respect! \m/
Vin bro, you summed up my entire frustration with the Christian religion right here. The churches in my area have pushed me away so much because of the hypocrisy, this has begun to push me away from religion all together. Thank you for keeping it real!
I think this is a reflection of the world today. How we've lost our understanding, lost our way. How we've warped and manipulated the word of God. The Old Beatitudes- Definition 1: a state of utmost bliss. 2:Christianity : any of the declarations made in the Sermon on the Mount 01. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Be the last of all, the servant of all, do not judge others and share all. 02. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Consider well the people you and others have lost, the things you have not done well, and the things you long for. 03. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Be slow to anger and drop the ego. 04. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled. Love peace and be involved in helping others to make peace. Trust everyone and know they may let you down. 05. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Strive to do the right thing. Forgive others then yourself. 06. Blessed are pure in heart, for they shall see God. Look at things from the eyes of others. 07. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God. Build your castle with blameless foundations. 08. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. The New Beatitudes Definition; Fuck the doomed, you're on your own 01. Blessed are the fornicants, May we bend down to be their whores 02. Blessed are the rich, May we labor, deliver them more 03. Blessed are the envious, 04. Blessed are the slothful 05. Blessed are the wrathful 06. blessed are the vain 07. Blessed are the gluttonous, may they feast us to famine and war
So nice to see you guys getting back to APC! This was a fantastic album and it hasn't been out long. I have to agree with some others in the comments, try TalkTalk next, another fantastic example of APCs work. Keep em coming!
That last line is “Fuck the doomed. You’re on your own.” It is not “Fuck the new”. How did the person that did the video mess that up. You can hear it clearly.
It’s an indictment on modern, politically minded evangelicals. The Beatitudes are changed to blessed are the 7 deadly sins, then saying the true beatitudes have been abandoned. In several ways recently, the band has been proven correct in their lyrics.
well done, subscribers, listen to the lyrics and the reaction,,,,learn!!!!, Relax on instantly requesting! !!!, Vin and Sori, are learning, and sharing insightful thoughts.A brilliant piece of CREATIVE JUXTAPOSITION ON A TRADITIONAL BELIEF TURNED COMPLETELY ON ITS HEAD!! BUT YES, TALK TALK, IS A PERFECT, PUN INTENDED,,, FOR A FOLLOW-UP ON THIS TOPIC. ...YOU HAVE WE WON WE BACK.....YAY
Guys, I am left wing but I am also German. So maybe our point of views are different. But I really respect you guys. It seems you guys are really good I love you guys. You treat everything very respectful. Way to go!!! Next: Meshuggah- Clockworks.
Few great APC songs from same album: Disillusioned, So Long and Thanks for All the Fish, TalkTalk, By and Down the River. I like A Perfect Circle more than Tool.
TCM Me too, APC are easier to listen, but not in a negative manner. Tool are technically superior in creating some long and articulated songs, but APC go straight to the point with more harmony and melody. Both bands are fantastic tough (of course, there’s Maynard...) 🤘🤘🤘
So Long and Thanks for all the Fish is one of their worst songs to have anyone to react to. Not a reflection of their true sound at all. And it’s just not very good to be frank.
I (and others I'm sure) tried before to get you to react to this. Lol And I interpret the song as a voice against those in power (who are the "new christ" we are at mercy to) who are abusing their power, and everyone who is good is suffering for it.
I pulled out a $20K loan from Sallie Mae to go to the Art Institute. My dad and all my family were completely against it and I couldn’t understand why they didn’t want me to go to college. After getting there I talked with alumni, professors, current students and drop outs and learned what a HUGE mistake I had made. I ended up being hospitalized a year later with a mental breakdown after I was asked to pull out another $20K to keep going to college. A college no one was getting jobs in the fields they studied, going straight back to McDonald’s with over $100K in debt. What this countries done to its youth is appalling. I really didn’t understand what I was doing, I thought that’s what everyone just does… I dropped out and paid off my debt in about 10 years with help from my family. I highly discourage going to college unless it’s a free ride.
I don't know if this was intentional, but the rhythm and mood of the instrumentals in this song is very much like a death march. It really helps portray the message that we are all doomed, not that I particularly believe this one way or another (I tend to sway back and forth on this on a day to day basis). Musical genius in my opinion.
I am a new sub and use to be a christen, I have my own beliefs but I do agree the fact that people should do more for there fellow man and women and to be the light that guide others, im also in to the 7 chakras of the body. you to are amazing and also funny.❤
I think you are missing the point, the song is not about demonizing the rich, it's about demonizing the poor, basically criticizing society for idolizing the rich as if they were holy, and treating the poor like subhuman scum just because they are poor, because it's the dollar that is really worshiped in the west and the people who have less of it are less valuable, less holy, cursed, and doomed.
Dude you got it on point in your explanation. I do have to add that just because Christianity does follow a guide for being a good person not all Christians actually follow certain moral beliefs. You can be a kind-hearted, righteous, and merciful person without being christian. I do not go to church but I do believe in being a good and decent human that loves others no matter what background they are ethnically or culturally. Actions speak louder than words
It is talking about how all tje things good in the beatitudes are now not things that society focuses on or praises... How the world looks at the peaceful the meek and the merciful...good luck your own
Compassion is priceless in the truest sense of the word. It should be given freely and in abundance. This is not to say that people who offer nothing to society should receive everything unconditionally, just that we should offer assistance so they can help themselves regardless of where they come from, what color they are, how they choose to worship or who they choose to love. People should not be actively inhibited from bettering themselves. You shouldn't need religion and scripture to tell you to have compassion for others. Compassion should be a fundamental aspect of everyone's life.
I have requested this song from you guys before. You've been busy doing obscure bands I think. You should check out the song Outsider (Live) on Jay Leno I think. Great song and great live performance from APC
I love your reactions, especially when you do any of Maynard's bands. You need to check out "Horizons" by Puscifer! It's an epilogue of sorts to what you've labeled "Maynard's Mom Trilogy" I'd really love to hear your thoughts on this beautiful song!
Pretty sure a number of us suggested this new album to you a year ago. The other 2 songs from this album - Disillusioned and Talk Talk - are very much worth listening to. Just a suggestion. We still love the reactions!
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You need to listen to more A Perfect Circle. Try Talk Talk from this album as well.
Talk Talk gets to the hypocrites..
@@jefferyhunter8265 its even better when religious people take it as mjk going against Christians when hes not.
@@6scrubs right...
Meshugga stifled,
I agree. Eat the Elephant is an album that’s ahead of its time 🙏
This song puts me in tears every time I hear this song. The imagery that I get with the song...This song is so damned true....
This song is about how Christians see themselves versus their true actions in reality. how they really treat people. It’s reality versus their projection a faith. He’s not talking about the ones that actually live the way they are scripturally taught in Christianity.
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every single word from the doomed is correct and the truth... every single word...
Jesus Christ was no Christian. Jesus was no tyrant.
@william chase were you there or do you trust the history?
"He’s not talking about the ones that actually live the way they are scripturally taught in Christianity"... ehh, if you look at what the bible actually condones and commands Christians to do (especially in the old testament, but also the new), it's pretty heinous. Your preacher might give you all the nice verses, but the literalists don't cherry pick the nice stuff. I think it's also partly a commentary on American Christians and their "I've got mine, screw you" capitalist attitude, which is very much the opposite of what Jesus stood for.
A Perfect Circle - *THE NOOSE*
A Perfect Circle - The Noose!!
DEMON of THE Fother MUCKING FALL!
@@benbaer3525 It's coming, next month or so. My alliance voted for it so it's in the queue :D
@@ayeewtasko2601 NICE!thank you.
I got a depression, and the only prescription is more: The Noose!
Talktalk is a must next! From the same album.
agreed. this entire album is freaking awesome and so contemporary.
@@Hobodeluxe960 I completely agree :)
A Perfect Circle - Disillusioned is glorious.
damienkarras ❤️
This is good stuff but APC made a masterpiece with "Thirteenth Step." Would be awesome if you guys reacted to anything on that album.
Pet or the noose would be great picks. Or blue. Or gravity lol.
A Perfect Circle - Talk Talk
It touches on similar themes. Actually, this whole album is surrounded by this theme.
This is my favorite song on this album, this is so brilliant and the atmosphere throughout the song and the deep lyrics, M’s voice, love it so much, epic song in my humble opinion... 😃
Great reaction, love you guys... 🤗❤️
Tool - Rosetta Stoned
It's a hell of a song and you missed it
Agreed
For the very experienced tool listener
A Perfect Circle - TalkTalk would be a great addition to this video!
A Perfect Circle - Disillusioned is totally worth a listen and a reaction.
Wow. Ok. There may be hope for humanity yet. From your godless heathen subscriber, I am proud to have your channel on RUclips. Not sure I’ve ever been more proud of two Christians. Ever. Well done Vin&Sori. Turn those tables in the temple. Wait until you hear Talk Talk.
Vin I freaking love you! Your brilliant at speaking the truth man... I don't identify as Christian but through another route in this crazy life I have embraced a relationship with my Creator... You are true Christian's in my opinion. Preaching the way Jesus would want you to!!!!
APC's Gravity guys. Everything off of 13th Step is awesome.
I do recall seeing a lot of requests for songs from this album shortly after it came out to be honest
I ❤️ how you can see how Sori FEELS the lyrics & the music together! Vin just seems like he rocks out to the beat until he hears an offensive or questionable lyric.
Trying to gatekeep or rank the way people enjoy music is lame as fuck bro. There’s no wrong way.
@@endocry your right. Just my observation.
Just my observation of them observing 🤪
I feel like I learn something new everytime I watch your videos and that's awsome! Right on guys!
This is the first time I've ever heard this song.
I've heard "Judith" and "3 Libras" but that's about all I've heard from A Perfect Circle
Thank you for putting the lyrics up, that helps me get a better understanding of the song
@VinAnd Sori This song is NOT a "diss on Christianity" at all. It is actually in agreement with the Bible about the state of the world about how "what is evil shall be called good and what is good shall be called evil." He is saying things are the reverse of how they should be, and not saying that it is a good thing at all; that things like being rich and gluttonous are praised as virtues while things like being "pure of heart" and "peaceful" are treated as weaknesses and people who have those traits get trampled on. The final lyric is actually, "F*** the doomed, you're on your own," not "the new." When he talks about "The new beatitude: 'Good luck, you're on your own,'" he's saying that is the current prevalent attitude in society, "every man for himself," and "F*** the doomed, you're on your own," because these selfish individuals don't care about helping someone else who is "doomed," and leave them to fend for themselves. They only care about helping themselves.
all those references from sermon on the mount. the world IS EXACTLY like that. and there is no hope
Lmaooooo "it's true....what are you talking about?" 💯💯💯
I love how Maynard bounced from anger to sadness in this, he really knows how to evoke emotion.
Almost a few years late, but thank you for this. enjoyed the conversation.
Gather at the ALTERING - Brilliant play on words!
Loved it! Absolutely loved it! And I'm not talking about the song (which was great)... Vin, Sori, you both are the voice of reason. This world desperately needs more people like you guys. Much Love & Respect! \m/
Vin bro, you summed up my entire frustration with the Christian religion right here. The churches in my area have pushed me away so much because of the hypocrisy, this has begun to push me away from religion all together. Thank you for keeping it real!
I had also requested this! This made me so happy 😊
I think this is a reflection of the world today. How we've lost our understanding, lost our way. How we've warped and manipulated the word of God.
The Old Beatitudes- Definition 1: a state of utmost bliss. 2:Christianity : any of the declarations made in the Sermon on the Mount
01. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Be the last of all, the servant of all, do not judge others and share all.
02. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Consider well the people you and others have lost, the things you have not done well, and the things you long for.
03. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Be slow to anger and drop the ego.
04. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled. Love peace and be involved in helping others to make peace. Trust everyone and know they may let you down.
05. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Strive to do the right thing. Forgive others then yourself.
06. Blessed are pure in heart, for they shall see God. Look at things from the eyes of others.
07. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God. Build your castle with blameless foundations.
08. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
The New Beatitudes Definition; Fuck the doomed, you're on your own
01. Blessed are the fornicants, May we bend down to be their whores
02. Blessed are the rich, May we labor, deliver them more
03. Blessed are the envious,
04. Blessed are the slothful
05. Blessed are the wrathful
06. blessed are the vain
07. Blessed are the gluttonous, may they feast us to famine and war
Anathema- Any song from Universal Concert live in Bulgaria.
Really enjoyed this guys! I don’t always agree with things you may say in other videos, but I respect your views. But his was a great discussion 👍🏻
So nice to see you guys getting back to APC! This was a fantastic album and it hasn't been out long. I have to agree with some others in the comments, try TalkTalk next, another fantastic example of APCs work. Keep em coming!
This was most excellent...so refreshing to hear this attitude
I'm coming in a year late, but this rant was spot on. I feel Vin's passion in my heart
Pretty sure that last line was a typo; "F@ck the doomed, you're on your own!", not "F@ck the new ..."
Hey, guys. I'm not a christian and I don't share your faith, but I do enjoy the discourse. Thank you.
Easily one of the best reactions I've seen you two do. What a ride.
That last line is “Fuck the doomed. You’re on your own.” It is not “Fuck the new”. How did the person that did the video mess that up. You can hear it clearly.
Thank you for everything you’ve said regarding the abomination of lenders.
This is a hell of a Vin rant. Loved it.
whole album is fantastic. great review!
It’s an indictment on modern, politically minded evangelicals. The Beatitudes are changed to blessed are the 7 deadly sins, then saying the true beatitudes have been abandoned. In several ways recently, the band has been proven correct in their lyrics.
Really love the discussion today❤️
well done, subscribers, listen to the lyrics and the reaction,,,,learn!!!!, Relax on instantly requesting! !!!, Vin and Sori, are learning, and sharing insightful thoughts.A brilliant piece of CREATIVE JUXTAPOSITION ON A TRADITIONAL BELIEF TURNED COMPLETELY ON ITS HEAD!! BUT YES, TALK TALK, IS A PERFECT, PUN INTENDED,,, FOR A FOLLOW-UP ON THIS TOPIC. ...YOU HAVE WE WON WE BACK.....YAY
Moonspell - Full Moon Madness
Moonspell - Night Eternal
Power Trip - Divine Apprehension
Power Trip - Hornet’s Nest
Power Trip - CrucifixationKk
Crucifixation is a belter 🤘
Eat the Elephant is a very underrated album in itself imo
Oh, you would LOVE TalkTalk by A Perfect Circle, I'm sure.
I take it as commentary on how bad the world has gotten
That's exactly how it'll be after the Rapture. All the world will be doomed
For those left behind, there will be very little hope
I like the way y'all think
Wow first time hearing great keep it up
Guys, I am left wing but I am also German. So maybe our point of views are different. But I really respect you guys. It seems you guys are really good I love you guys. You treat everything very respectful. Way to go!!!
Next: Meshuggah- Clockworks.
A perfect circle - Disillusioned
God is light, & there's NO darkness in him
Can’t say the same about a larger than acceptable number of his followers.
Few great APC songs from same album: Disillusioned, So Long and Thanks for All the Fish, TalkTalk, By and Down the River. I like A Perfect Circle more than Tool.
TCM
Me too, APC are easier to listen, but not in a negative manner. Tool are technically superior in creating some long and articulated songs, but APC go straight to the point with more harmony and melody. Both bands are fantastic tough (of course, there’s Maynard...) 🤘🤘🤘
So Long and Thanks for all the Fish is one of their worst songs to have anyone to react to. Not a reflection of their true sound at all. And it’s just not very good to be frank.
A perfect circle disillusioned
I cant like this video enough! Nice rant Vin!!
You should check out Pet by APC.
When I first heard Pet, I was like "Thats Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums!!!"
@@anaverageuser_4267 yeah, its basically a heavy version of it! I like both, but Pet more.
Help at every opportunity. Those who don't WILL be judged for it
I (and others I'm sure) tried before to get you to react to this. Lol
And I interpret the song as a voice against those in power (who are the "new christ" we are at mercy to) who are abusing their power, and everyone who is good is suffering for it.
The song is a masterpiece.
*Chris Farley voice* FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE DO BURY ME IN SMOKE BY DOWN
Chase Mendenhall seconded!!
Might to heavy for em
A Perfect Circle - LULLABY !!
It's slavery. We slave for jobs to pay what we owe & keep struggling because it's never enough. We never ended slavery. It just changed forms is all
Hi All - Thanks for the reaction video. Great review. I’m not the head of the band we are all equal. Haha
Can we rename this week Vin Rant week in hindsight? Good stuff here. You tell em!
Thanks for the Fish, By and Down. APC like Tool is a listening event.
pleaseeee reaction of a perfect circle - Talk talk. cheers from Panamá. you are awesome
papa emeritus III just chilling in the background @ 10:19 lol
TOOL, "wings for Marie pt 1" and "wings for Marie pt 2" as well as, "right in two". All from 10000 days, all fantastic powerful songs.
I pulled out a $20K loan from Sallie Mae to go to the Art Institute. My dad and all my family were completely against it and I couldn’t understand why they didn’t want me to go to college. After getting there I talked with alumni, professors, current students and drop outs and learned what a HUGE mistake I had made. I ended up being hospitalized a year later with a mental breakdown after I was asked to pull out another $20K to keep going to college. A college no one was getting jobs in the fields they studied, going straight back to McDonald’s with over $100K in debt. What this countries done to its youth is appalling. I really didn’t understand what I was doing, I thought that’s what everyone just does… I dropped out and paid off my debt in about 10 years with help from my family. I highly discourage going to college unless it’s a free ride.
I don't know if this was intentional, but the rhythm and mood of the instrumentals in this song is very much like a death march. It really helps portray the message that we are all doomed, not that I particularly believe this one way or another (I tend to sway back and forth on this on a day to day basis). Musical genius in my opinion.
Two other tracks to check out are Talk Talk and So Long and Thanks for All the Fish.
We need A Perfect Circle Week. Lets do it!!!!!
How did the video maker mess up the last and most powerful line at the climax? It is not "Fuck the new." It is "Fuck the doomed. You're on your own."
I suggested this months ago.
Anyone else watch the video once while covering Vin & then again while covering Sori & have 2 totally different experiences?
I either brought up this song or talktalk a year or so ago but you know the comments be like that sometimes lol
I am a new sub and use to be a christen, I have my own beliefs but I do agree the fact that people should do more for there fellow man and women and to be the light that guide others, im also in to the 7 chakras of the body. you to are amazing and also funny.❤
Creed - My Own Prison
Vinn said "Actually it is". Seriously this was a good video.
Blessed are the cheesemakers
They've had a hell of a time, the meek TLOB
Also Jay Leno washing his Duesenburgs with actual water is sacrilege. What a turd. You can rust a car that age..oi.. It's like burning money
By and down the river next
not a churchgoer, but hot damn would i like to buy you both a cup of tea or coffee or beer or whisky. great reaction
I think you are missing the point, the song is not about demonizing the rich, it's about demonizing the poor, basically criticizing society for idolizing the rich as if they were holy, and treating the poor like subhuman scum just because they are poor, because it's the dollar that is really worshiped in the west and the people who have less of it are less valuable, less holy, cursed, and doomed.
7:35-7:42 ... i choked on my coffee :)
Architects // Gone With The Wind, "My friend, hope is a prison."
One of the best songs I've heard all year.
Dude you got it on point in your explanation. I do have to add that just because Christianity does follow a guide for being a good person not all Christians actually follow certain moral beliefs. You can be a kind-hearted, righteous, and merciful person without being christian. I do not go to church but I do believe in being a good and decent human that loves others no matter what background they are ethnically or culturally. Actions speak louder than words
It is talking about how all tje things good in the beatitudes are now not things that society focuses on or praises...
How the world looks at the peaceful the meek and the merciful...good luck your own
It's about fucking time.
Compassion is priceless in the truest sense of the word. It should be given freely and in abundance. This is not to say that people who offer nothing to society should receive everything unconditionally, just that we should offer assistance so they can help themselves regardless of where they come from, what color they are, how they choose to worship or who they choose to love. People should not be actively inhibited from bettering themselves.
You shouldn't need religion and scripture to tell you to have compassion for others. Compassion should be a fundamental aspect of everyone's life.
You guys need Odin lol
Sori: "What a horrible world to exist in if that was true"
Vin: "... It's true"
Narrator: "It was true"
I was just looking for cool reactions. Didn't know what Beatitudes was. Not religious at all but i learned something new. Nice..
I have requested this song from you guys before. You've been busy doing obscure bands I think. You should check out the song Outsider (Live) on Jay Leno I think. Great song and great live performance from APC
A perfect song for the time right now.👍
This song IS reality
Thrice - The Weight of Glory
Erra - The Hypnotist
I love your reactions, especially when you do any of Maynard's bands.
You need to check out "Horizons" by Puscifer! It's an epilogue of sorts to what you've labeled "Maynard's Mom Trilogy" I'd really love to hear your thoughts on this beautiful song!
I thought the song was about his mom as well but actually in a interview he said that it was about the death of a loved one but not his mother
@@StinkfistedJambi90 False.
Pretty sure a number of us suggested this new album to you a year ago. The other 2 songs from this album - Disillusioned and Talk Talk - are very much worth listening to. Just a suggestion. We still love the reactions!