Hi I have one and have used it a few times on indoor walls. It's more intuitive lead belay than with a gri gri. You don't have to override the braking system to pay out. It is a bit unsettling to begin with and I payed out way too much slack the first time. My climbing partner is over 6' and I had no problem lowering him down gradually. I did take my time though. You don't want to drop your friend.
Hey Ryan, thank you for doing a review between the Vergo and GriGri. You mentioned bad habits, but you failed to mention the 90% of beginner belayers using the GriGri has bad belay habits. I have seen countless people holding the cam to pay out slack, which makes it a very expensive single tuber, so for me I don't see how the Cinch or the Vergo form bad habits, the belayer still belays the same as a tuber only that the lead belay style has that sweet spot to pay out slack so that the lead climber will never get short roped. I don't know how many countless times I have been short roped with a GriGri, and then the bad habit that are then formed. Go figure.
Thanks for the video. What I don't understand is, if I can open the device when it is locked and the climber keeps pulling due to panic while clipping.
Hey! Have you done a review on the Beal Birdie? If you do, can you include belay from above as well? I’m assuming it is the same as with a grigri, but I’m curious your thoughts!
I havn’t done a review on the birde yet, but I have used it quite a bit. It is pretty similar to the verge, but I would say it’s closer to the Grigri than anything else, just a little more compact. I’m planning on doing a video soon! You can still belay from above with the Birdie just like the Grigri, you would probably be fine with belaying from above with the verge, but it would be pretty annoying. You would have to hold the break strand just right and it would also be a little strange to lower with it, so I wouldn’t really recommend using the verge in that application.
Also why do you have the climber’s side on the bottom at ~7:00? It should be the other way around and because of that the carabiner is twisting the belay loop
There was some good info on Mountain Project recently about the "upside down" orientation of the Vergo (and Cinch). The TLDR is that it helps make the device a bit more reliable. The Cinch had problems early on with unexplained failures; flipping the device over mitigates that. www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/120070649/trango-vergo-the-grigri-slayer
I wouldn’t count on it, especially because if the material is more static than dynamic the calming action won’t bite into the rope as well. With dynamic you usually get a better bite from the sheath and the core materials flexing under the cam, but usually the static core materials are a little bit more stiff so it could cause less bite in the cam and more slippage.
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I have one and have used it a few times on indoor walls.
It's more intuitive lead belay than with a gri gri.
You don't have to override the braking system to pay out.
It is a bit unsettling to begin with and I payed out way too much slack the first time.
My climbing partner is over 6' and I had no problem lowering him down gradually. I did take my time though. You don't want to drop your friend.
Sick video, been waiting for someone to do a review on the Vergo!
we should thank you! dont feel like you dont thank us enough, this information is awesome and not as digestable or available elsewhere
the point of the handle pointing away from you is so you push the handle and not pull it, this gives you the feathering you need for lowering
thankyou, this is the info i needed
this thing is my main belay device now and it feed way better that the grigri
That is beautiful cross stratification behind you.
Hey Ryan, thank you for doing a review between the Vergo and GriGri. You mentioned bad habits, but you failed to mention the 90% of beginner belayers using the GriGri has bad belay habits. I have seen countless people holding the cam to pay out slack, which makes it a very expensive single tuber, so for me I don't see how the Cinch or the Vergo form bad habits, the belayer still belays the same as a tuber only that the lead belay style has that sweet spot to pay out slack so that the lead climber will never get short roped. I don't know how many countless times I have been short roped with a GriGri, and then the bad habit that are then formed. Go figure.
Thanks for the video. What I don't understand is, if I can open the device when it is locked and the climber keeps pulling due to panic while clipping.
Hey! Have you done a review on the Beal Birdie? If you do, can you include belay from above as well? I’m assuming it is the same as with a grigri, but I’m curious your thoughts!
I havn’t done a review on the birde yet, but I have used it quite a bit. It is pretty similar to the verge, but I would say it’s closer to the Grigri than anything else, just a little more compact. I’m planning on doing a video soon! You can still belay from above with the Birdie just like the Grigri, you would probably be fine with belaying from above with the verge, but it would be pretty annoying. You would have to hold the break strand just right and it would also be a little strange to lower with it, so I wouldn’t really recommend using the verge in that application.
Can you do a videi on the Camp Matik?
Ya I’m planning on doing a video about the matik as soon as I get my hands on one!
Also why do you have the climber’s side on the bottom at ~7:00? It should be the other way around and because of that the carabiner is twisting the belay loop
Never mind I just saw the end of the video
There was some good info on Mountain Project recently about the "upside down" orientation of the Vergo (and Cinch). The TLDR is that it helps make the device a bit more reliable. The Cinch had problems early on with unexplained failures; flipping the device over mitigates that. www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/120070649/trango-vergo-the-grigri-slayer
thanks lost them a sale too
Have you used it for rope solo'ing yet?
You should review the jul 2. I’ve heard that it’s better than the giga and mega
Do you think it will work with 8mm tactical oplux?
I wouldn’t count on it, especially because if the material is more static than dynamic the calming action won’t bite into the rope as well. With dynamic you usually get a better bite from the sheath and the core materials flexing under the cam, but usually the static core materials are a little bit more stiff so it could cause less bite in the cam and more slippage.
Rapping off that block is a bit spooky.🤔
Oh ya, should've clarified that we did not rappel down that way, it looked like someone used that to bail off, we wen't down a different way
@@ryantilley9063, glad you lived to tell the tale and be able to do more videos. 😁 Looks like a previous party ran into problems.
the only thing I like about it is the colour
Cinch is best for giving rope!!!
Grigri is King