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@@233kosta I don't know about you guys at least in small displacement segment + moped, Yamaha is the king of big 4. Their centrifugals are especially the best (beating Honda cub in their own turf) (does not apply to 300cc and above)
Or if you don't care about shifting and just want to ride. People legit hated automatic transmissions when they came out ("not real driving"), and now 99%+ of automobiles have automatic transmissions. I hope that in 20 years 95% of bikes will be automatics, and-like cars are today-that some sport bikes where people *want* to shift are still manuals.
I think a lot of us that started out young on minibikes, trailbikes, etc. were riding proper motorcycles by 13-14 before we could legally get into a car, so we learned the clutch and shift, just now use the left foot instead of left hand to drive. I miss my standard sports cars, but getting my kid into the back of my 2 door Mitsubishi eclipse was killing my back as was stop and go traffic killing my left leg....
In my country if you do car license on automatic you are not legally allowed to drive stick... I personally think as a brand new biker learning all the mechanics is beneficial for understanding the machine. Yes it's not easy, you will stall, find neutral instead of 2nd gear, coordination and muscle memory will take some time but it will make you more AWARE and conscious rider. The worst thing on the road are people driving cars on "auto pilot" because they are BORED.
I 100% agree, in my experiences ive foudn that the newer the car the worse the driver bc these cars do so much for the person you dont need to learn much, especially tesla drivers. I live in the bay home of the teslas and their unaware "drviers"
They are nice, and its as far as i wanna go with transmission features, i like the ability to use both still idk how id feel if i was forced to use just that or full auto, literally half the fun of the bike is clutch, shifting gears imo
I've never used a quick shifter, but I don't even understand why it's necessary when you can clutchless up/downshift🤷what does it save? You having to blip the throttle? Useless imo
@@Next2Null full open throtte upshifts on my literbike are the main reason for never wanting to go without one. other than that I concur with your statement and the statement from shadowfall. I do use the clutch a lot, even with QS. I also did not thoroughly enjoy the DCT gearbox on a rental goldwing as shifting by buttons feels indirect and clunky, but GWs are not meant to be driven like that anyways.
It's funny, I have a Yamaha Tracer with the quickshifter, but I get cleaner upshifts with a slight throttle blip and a touch on the shifter of my 1980 Honda CX500 than with the Yamaha quickshifter. The Yamaha is grabby no matter what, the Honda does clutchless upshifts fantastically.
@@Next2Null It's not necessary, but it IS faster. How much faster is dependent on each rider/bike obviously, but a quickshifter is near instantaneous. I'm not a huge fan of auto blip when riding hard, though, for that reason: on a stock bike with fairly heavy engine braking, instantly dropping to the next gear can upset the bike.
How come every "real motorcycle rider" that tells me my DCT isn't a "real bike" at gas stations and in parking lots is diving a car? I learned on a DCT, and i can drive a manual car, i just wanted to cut the learning curve down and enjoy riding. Also, i did over 20,000 miles in my first year of riding. Literally went from first time sitting on a bike to 20k ridden in 1 year. I even sold my car. It's about getting out and riding, to each his own in how you prefer to do it. But, that's just an old guy's opinion who doesn't have anything to prove and is secure with my manhood and with who i am.
I have nerve damage in my left leg and needed back surgery because of a work injury, so shifting with my left foot would be a problem of epic proportions. If technology can allow me to have a motorcycle and accommodate my medical issues, I don't give a crap who thinks its a "real bike" or not. Forget fake validations - enjoy the journey, man!
At this point it's only boomers who are shaking their fist and cursing e-clutches/DCTs. They're the way things are headed, and I'm very happy about that. You're removing a huge number of potential rider errors this way. Also, I know sport bike chads who won't STFU about how bad e-clutches are ... yet have quick shifters/auto-blippers on their bikes. Ok.
I have no physical limitations and never thought I would consider owning a DCT bike, although I was looking for a good everyday commuter bike and a weekend tourer, so now I’m a proud owner of a new Honda DCT NC 750x and I’m enjoying it very much, I don’t miss shifting gears through stop and go traffic and sitting at red lights holding the clutch while in gear, just twist throttle and go!
I rode manual bikes for 15 years but am now on my second Honda DCT bike. My hand just can not handle a heavy clutch pull anymore and I’ve found not having to clutch or shift at all to be The Good Life 😊 I like seeing more manufacturers getting on board with auto and semi-auto shifting and clutching technology.
As a disabled rider I have an Africa Twin DCT, I also added an electronic adaptive shifter to my V4 Streetfighter and CBR1000RR-R. I really like the ease of the DCT on my Africa Twin but when offroad a clutch would actually be nice, I find it much more difficult to get the back end to do what I want with just throttle/power. That being said the DCT is also super nice at slow speed technical stuff when offroading such a heavy bike. I agree, I think the E-Clutch system makes the most sense for introducing new riders to the sport/community while still allowing them to learn how to operate a bike that may not have this feature in the future.
I'd buy it asap if available. Nothing here bigger than 155cc scooter. Bum foot and left hand so auto or similar would make riding easier. Now I shift with my heel and that is frustrating.
As a bi-lateral amputee who rides a KX450 at the track, this concept could get me riding on the street. Some people just can't open their mind to something new or different that other people might enjoy or even need.
i hear you, you are right, but i dont think it would be accepatablle if the just went and made all bikes automatic, which i dont think they will but still...p.s at the and who cares bike is bike ride it thats what matters right lol
The reason why I quit riding is the addiction stress on my wrist. I don’t want scooter as well to ride. The reason is we live in different times now versus the past, traffic is becoming heavier, there are just more now.
The automative world including bikes have transformed to include automatic bikes. We have to understand that as people age, their reflexes to change gear manually will be limited to either injuries or health related reasons. We may not like it but the world has to embrace the changes. Electric vehicles are also on the rise so too are electric bikes. So change is evitable, no getting away from it.
I'm not against electric bikes, it's just that right now they cost so much more, the performance is worse, and the range makes them borderline unusable. If they get electric bikes to the same price-range-performance of ICE bikes then I'll happily buy one!
Its called the Y-AMT system, comes with no clutch lever, and no foot shifter . Instead there is 3 modes to change between on the handle controls D for automatic mode, D+ for sporty automatic mode and M for Manuel mode with a up shift and down shift button on the controls that you use your index finger and thumb for .
I'm 48. When I started driving cars in the early 90s I only drove manual transmission. I thought of myself as pretty skilled and felt that the manual transmission made the driving experience more complete. I still love a manual transmission, but unless you're driving a sports car or commercial-level truck, it's hard to find. I think the same is going to happen to motorcycles.
I'm all for sport-oriented bikes having an optional manual transmission, but 99% of riders would benefit from some form of automatic transmissions on their bikes. 20 years from now I hope automatics are on 95% of bikes.
I have a Yamaha XT660R that I put a YZF450 Rekluse clutch in... the clutch is full auto until you pull the clutch lever and it instantly becomes manual again... Don't touch the clutch lever it stays as an auto clutch.. use the clutch lever and it becomes a manual clutch.. "Its like a big Honda CT110/125 Trail Cub now."
I’m glad bikes are going Automatic because I am a amputee missing my right hand and an automatic helps me get on two wheels so now, if more manufacturers are making more automatics, that means I got more of a selection. I currently have a rebel 1100 DCT so it helps being automatic
After extensive riding off-road with the Africa twin DCT. I would very much say the DCT is so easy and fun to use. Off-road. The way the throttle is programmed to very easily take off at low speed or high speed with the DCT in manual or automatic mode. It made hitting the dirt that much easier and something less to worry about. If I feel like I was putting down too much power in a certain position, I would use the rear brake to modulate that power output to help with uneven terrain and rough downhill or uphill. If I go back to a Honda I'm getting another Africa twin DCT
Honda e-clutch shows they are light years ahead of Yamaha. They even have a self-balancing prototype bike. They put IMU on their 125 naked! Other manufacturers need to try harder.
not really, if you dont learn from beginning, you wont learn after that. if you can drive manual=you can drive auto but if you can drive auto does not mean you can drive manual. i ride moped but got license on motorcycle if it was opposite boy o boy i would not be able to start bike even(obvious reasons)
@@someguy4708 "if you dont learn from beginning, you wont learn after that". And ... who cares? No one *NEEDS* to learn shifting for a car or a motorcycle, it's 2024. You can learn and then have the boomer pride of saying "I can actually manually shift a motorcycle!". No one cares. Technology has rendered your worldview obsolete.
I'm from Europe, I learned to drive with a clutch, for car and bike, but the second you give the choice to go Automatic you know I will! City roads and such in Europe is stupid AF, swapping between 2nd and 3rd gear every 10sec for an hour is boring and gets me tired. That's why I actually swap to a Scooter right now, much more comfortable, sitting and driving. So I'm actually glad they start to include automatic to bikes, just do both, manual one for people that want, automatic for the others
I learnt manual for both cars and bikes. Drove manual cars for 24 years then got a DCT - never going back. It's smoother, quicker, more efficient and way more relaxing. I want a bike with e-clutch so I can get almost all of those benefits but still rev bomb for fun!
I used to think that automatic would make it less fun, but then I got a PCX. Honestly, I appreciate the convenience of not having to shift gears manually.
Wait, if they're just making the clutch auto but you still have to change gears yourself, isn't that like having quick shifter and an auto blipper at the same time? But more smooth?
I ride a DCT Africa Twin off road. The bikes weight has been more of an issue for. Not having to be in the friction zone on difficult terrain is nice and I can more or less crawl at a lower speed and not have to be too concerned with putting too much power and losing traction, but totally agree the Africa Twin is not intended for single track'
DCTs are a super nice option and offer perfect shifting every time. Even in manual mode it will automatically downshift for you if your speed goes low enough.
I got a 1977 CB750A Hondamatic this year as my first bike. Love the thing. It is a 2 speed no clutch bike. It is not fast, but it looks and sounds great and it works well in traffic on my 1hr commute.I will get another bike eventually, but for now the auto is getting me good road experience. And yes, I can still rev bomb tunnels.
Hey cool stuff. I drive a stick shift car (as most people still do in germany) and bike but honestly, as I get older I just appreciate the ease of use especially in a daily driver situation.
The reason the E clutch is so awesome is because it allows for more spirited riding whereas DCT or automatic gearboxes on a motorcycle just do not feel sporty. Especially if Yamaha plans on bringing the automatic to the MT07 class. Who the hell wants to tap buttons on a hooligan bike!? You want to have full control over the gears, and shifting with your foot just makes the rider feel more connected to the bike. Yamaha just needs to copy Honda w the e clutch. It’s kind of crazy..I was shopping between the CB650r, Trident 660 and XSR700. THE CB was my favorite but I didn’t like the LCD screen and that it didn’t have an auto down blipper. Then Honda refreshes it and addresses both of my issues with it plus going a step further adding the option to never use the clutch! I am getting the Gray Cb650r e clutch this summer. Can’t wait!
I do appreciate the way Yamaha is willing to try new stuff. It is my choice as to whether to buy one or not, but it is great to have choice. Some others aren't willing to innovate.
@@jasonlemuel5078 if u care about performance go buy a car. Motorcycles are for having fun and always taking the easy route aka "Nah I dont need to learn how to use a clutch" is just boring
@@philippmayenburg7282its a sportbikes aka for perfomance so if auto could increase the perfomance equals more fun You most likely never drove an auto and felt the "fun"
Looking forward to trying the NC750X DCT. It's unapologetically nerdy, but I'm going to try and go in with an open mind. Manual shifting is fun but I wouldn't say it's crucial to the motorcycling experience for me.
Idk man... I understand why the NC750X DCT is popular but it's like the Prius of bikes. If every bike was like that, I wouldn't ride lol. But that's coming from a sportbike guy
I have an africa twin dct and it does really well off road. Being able to put it in manual mode and trigger shift is great. It would be even better if it wasn't such a heavy bike, but not stalling lets you focus more on not dropping it.
MVs SCS is amazing. Took a minute to get used to when stopping but a day's worth of riding and I can't understand why the scs or e clutch system isn't in more bikes.
all my rider friends who made fun with me for switching to a DCT are now dying to ride my bike. Idk why people are so against having options. It's not like they pushing it anyone's throat. Don't like it then don't buy it.
I find Honda's e-clutch really tasteful. You get an up & down quickshifter without having to give up the cable throttle. There is literally no downside. They also sell DCT bikes. Have done for a while. Haven't canceled a manual model in favour of a DCT yet.
@mencibenci the difference is that bikes are ridden for fun and it involves a bunch of skills that have to be learned and mastered, other than using the clutch. if the manual transmission is holding you back from motorcycling you shouldn‘t try it at all. you‘re probably yeeting yourself into the next wall if you think it makes riding any easier
@@BeginnerMoto its like this for a reason, and its intellectually dishonest to call it 'gatekeeping'. its one of the most unsafe recreational activities someone can do and the risk is exponentially worse when anyone can hop on a bike and twist a throttle without having any barrier to entry. it not only puts the rider at risk but others as well. people that spend the time mastering a bikes controls are the ones who stay alive
@@geraltofrivia4651 No it's not intellectually dishonest at all to call it out for what it is which is gatekeeping. We're not talking about controls such as counter steering, brakes, or blinkers, it's just a damn clutch. A clutch is just solution to a problem which is how can we have the motor not stall when having a large load placed on it. If someone has a goal to ride a Harley Livewire, Zero, or DCT bike, it's not necessary to say they need to learn how to use a clutch first. Another example, if you only ride tubeless tire motorcycles why do you need to know how to patch/replace a tube?
All the 'macho' men want to hate on automatic, but the truth is, bike sales are down, and having bikes be more accessible to ride for the average joe and jane is a net positive. I'd love to see more riders and less full size vehicles on the road, and automatic is a stepping stone towards that, not to mention anyone with disabilities.
I think it a nice development. As mentioned, it might bring new people into riding. All the comments about how they will never switch to a (semi)automatic bike are not that relevant. Commenters like us here on this channel are not the rider public in general. Honda is successful with DCT and probably with e-clutch as well. It’s what riders (who do not rev bomb or do wheelies on a daily basis) want.
Not gonna lie - living in one of the most populated cities in the US … I’m pretty tempted to pick up an automatic as a second bike for the bulk of my city riding, and keep the Street Twin for the FUN riding.
Yes, the trend is towards automatic transmission. Personally, I prefer the E-clutch system but I am not a Honda Fanboy so I hope that Kawasaki will have something similar in the near future.
I recently purchased my first bike and I went with the Honda rebel 1100 DCT, I had never ridden on a motorcycle before and even after the beginner safety course I still felt awkward and uncomfortable trying to coordinate the clutch/throttle and shift properly (I blame it on my left side being very “dumb” after only ever driving automatics). But it’s a great bike, I love it, I’m getting used to riding in traffic and I’m already looking at follow-on bikes like a Harley or Indian.
Cars are mostly automatic so why would it be a surprise to see motorcycles go in this direction. and if one bike gets popular that is automatic then you will for sure see others follow.
@@rebellucy6200 It's about the market, not the manufacturer's origin. Having said that, it's not about the Americans, it's about "evolution". Manual gearboxes are considered old-fashioned and obsolete tech and when the technology exists for auto gearboxes at acceptable cost the market will want them. Hardcore bikers no longer dictate the market's tendencies.
I drive a manual transmission car bought for that reason and now ride a Burgman 400 scooter with a CVT having many years of shifty motorcycles. I now get no respect from much of the local motorcycle crowd but I never dis them for driving their F150s with an AT. So with these hybrid variations coming out blurring the picture, maybe we will now share our mutual respect for driving on two wheels. Foolish thought?
To be fair i dont know anyone under 30 that can drive a manual, so its gotta be easier to sell bikes to all those younger people if its auto. Manual has basically disappeared in cars so its not even logical to expect younger people to learn.
E-clutch is NOT automatic. It is semi-automatic with optional manual. It has everything good and nothing bad about manual and semi-auto. It's basically a logical advancement from Super Cub's centrifugal semi-auto, which is limited to 15 horses.
i like Honda's e-clutch better. as someone who plans on getting in to motorcycles, i wanted to develop muscle memory in shifting gears when getting started (i can already drive manual on a car) and still have the ability to be lazy and just flick my foot to change gears later on.
But scooters don't even have a gearbox dude, and tbh they can just make both, auto and manual, people will still buy them, different uses, for different purpose :)
I think motorcycle enthusiasts don't really make up the bulk of profits or sales for the Japanese companies. They earn the most money from easy to ride underbones, moped and scooters. So accessible easy to ride motorcycles are great.
I'll never buy an automatic motorcycle. I want my riding experience to be as mechanical as possible (with some consideration to safety). Same reason I won't buy an electric motorcycle.
But I guess hondas e clutch will be nice. You can use clutch just like a normal bike. It's like a bike with sliper clutch and autoblipper that can stop without using clutch too. Useful if you like touring on motorcycle I guess.
The problem is manufacturers keep wanting to make people choose one or the other. In these days of ride by wire and emu controlled quick shifter interrupts and meshing all that is needed is clutch and gear leaver actuators. The ideal would be Honda e-clutch and an electronic gear change. Add buttons on handlebars and a gear pedal that similarly uses micro switches to actuate gear changes and you get a bike that can be manual or automatic, will be useful for those older riders with arthritic hands or those with foot injuries (like me) who can’t use a conventional gear change. Everyone would be happy, but oh no they always have to leave something out.
NO, REAL MEN ONLY USE A CLUTCH! And have tubes in their motorcycle tires, and have carbureted bikes, and have kick-starters, and watch black and white TV, and don't have indoor plumbing, and ...
I need a 300, 400 cc automatic naked bike around $5,000 to upgrade my Honda Navi to…. I already have a livewire so I don’t want a speed demon, just a comfortable easy to use and reliable bike with the cheaper price point.
this will definitely make the barrier of entry to bikes lower, for better or worse. I feel like a major issue with this is that if a bike has a full automatic transmission it could cause issues for low speed stuff where the friction zone would be required.
Modern quick shifters are pretty much already there. Up/down QS with autoblippers means you only use the clutch from a start or at a stop. Banging upshifts at full throttle and high revs is very cool. No need to perfect fanning the clutch. Hopefully they forego the torque convertor stall type engagement. An e-clutch would take getting used to.
I dont see the issue? It's not like all bikes are going automatic. If you don't want an auto, then dont get one, I think an auto is a great option for commuters. It won't be well suited to every situation, but if they pick and choose what it goes in, I think it would be much more intuitive and one less thing to divide your attention when riding.
Damn, Honda's e-clutch is pure gold. Had a CBR650R for a longer test and it was soooo good - felt so much better than any QS - butter smooth, perfect shifts, and no clutch needed at all when stopping or shifting from/to neutral. Give me a bit bigger version of that bike, and I'm going to insta-buy it
Having both systems, clutch and DCT, I prefer DCT. Get to be mindless and enjoy the ride. I get the " I have more control " with the clutch. But I think the future for motorcycles is the same as what happened to stick shift cars. Not a bad thing.
LOL, no. I ride everyday to work, when the weather allows. Have no interest in riding an automatic bike. A large part of the fun is shifting gears and working the clutch.
I’m all for it, I have no issues controlling a clutch, but I think this is a great middle ground for accessibility and control. You’ll be able to spot the noobs on these bikes when they’re trying to do slow speed maneuvers.
I can not go for an automatic. I just can't. I NEED control over that gear box. Expect a customer loss if they go straight for automatic and remove (what I guess we can now call standard) standard bikes.
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Yamaha : makes bad gearboxes
Riders : yo your gearboxes suck
Yamaha : F you im un-manualing your bike
logic follows.
Yamaha: stocks plummet.
Tbh, the underbone from the 135cc has a very good gearbox. But on the other hand, the clutch is lackluster, its just eh
Wait, what's wrong with Yamaha gearboxes? I trained on an MT-07, it was fine.
@@233kosta I don't know about you guys at least in small displacement segment + moped, Yamaha is the king of big 4. Their centrifugals are especially the best (beating Honda cub in their own turf)
(does not apply to 300cc and above)
When you have a physical problem with your left hand or left foot this kind of stuff is great.
Exactly, and only Honda really has the option.
@@ganuvien vfr 1200 with dct is a 💥
Or right hand/foot. You can move the throttle & break over to the left if you need to.
Or if you don't care about shifting and just want to ride. People legit hated automatic transmissions when they came out ("not real driving"), and now 99%+ of automobiles have automatic transmissions.
I hope that in 20 years 95% of bikes will be automatics, and-like cars are today-that some sport bikes where people *want* to shift are still manuals.
Make a disabled option, then
Motorcyclists will never want to give up their ability to revbomb in tunnels.
This man speaks from my soul
Real
laughs in "me smoothly transitioning form a 125 scooter to a automatic r7' :D :D
@drozdforce8853 automatic r7 sounds illegal bruh 😂😂😂
@@dudleym1956 but at the same time so awesome 🤣
Automatic, manual, semi automatic, cvt, chain, belt, shaft, electric, diesel, or solar...
The only thing that matters is the fun.
Totally agree 👍
so i get to make a choice.... oh wait i DONT! .... try writing things down then maby you can somehow remeber two whole things for more than 1 second
@@insiainutorrt259 what?
Absolutely, and we get that in all of them.
I wanna change gears on my bike tho. I get enough auto in the car n it's boring
Ironically I learned to drive stick shift cars by riding motorcycles first.
Same here
I think a lot of us that started out young on minibikes, trailbikes, etc. were riding proper motorcycles by 13-14 before we could legally get into a car, so we learned the clutch and shift, just now use the left foot instead of left hand to drive. I miss my standard sports cars, but getting my kid into the back of my 2 door Mitsubishi eclipse was killing my back as was stop and go traffic killing my left leg....
I was the other way around. Started in a car. Literally jumped on a 250 dirt bike and rode it away.
Same
Me tooo!!!!
In my country if you do car license on automatic you are not legally allowed to drive stick... I personally think as a brand new biker learning all the mechanics is beneficial for understanding the machine. Yes it's not easy, you will stall, find neutral instead of 2nd gear, coordination and muscle memory will take some time but it will make you more AWARE and conscious rider.
The worst thing on the road are people driving cars on "auto pilot" because they are BORED.
I 100% agree, in my experiences ive foudn that the newer the car the worse the driver bc these cars do so much for the person you dont need to learn much, especially tesla drivers. I live in the bay home of the teslas and their unaware "drviers"
As soon as quick shifters became popular, it was only a matter of time.
They are nice, and its as far as i wanna go with transmission features, i like the ability to use both still idk how id feel if i was forced to use just that or full auto, literally half the fun of the bike is clutch, shifting gears imo
I've never used a quick shifter, but I don't even understand why it's necessary when you can clutchless up/downshift🤷what does it save? You having to blip the throttle? Useless imo
@@Next2Null full open throtte upshifts on my literbike are the main reason for never wanting to go without one.
other than that I concur with your statement and the statement from shadowfall. I do use the clutch a lot, even with QS. I also did not thoroughly enjoy the DCT gearbox on a rental goldwing as shifting by buttons feels indirect and clunky, but GWs are not meant to be driven like that anyways.
It's funny, I have a Yamaha Tracer with the quickshifter, but I get cleaner upshifts with a slight throttle blip and a touch on the shifter of my 1980 Honda CX500 than with the Yamaha quickshifter. The Yamaha is grabby no matter what, the Honda does clutchless upshifts fantastically.
@@Next2Null It's not necessary, but it IS faster. How much faster is dependent on each rider/bike obviously, but a quickshifter is near instantaneous. I'm not a huge fan of auto blip when riding hard, though, for that reason: on a stock bike with fairly heavy engine braking, instantly dropping to the next gear can upset the bike.
This actually excites me. I cant squeeze a clutch with my left hand due to a surgery.
Then I truly hope this tech takes off! I hope you can back to riding soon!
Get stronger.
@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 nerve damage doesn't care how big your muscles are... 🤔
@@Jasta315hopefully you regain your strength back to enjoy the manuals again
They already make them so go buy one now.
How come every "real motorcycle rider" that tells me my DCT isn't a "real bike" at gas stations and in parking lots is diving a car? I learned on a DCT, and i can drive a manual car, i just wanted to cut the learning curve down and enjoy riding. Also, i did over 20,000 miles in my first year of riding. Literally went from first time sitting on a bike to 20k ridden in 1 year. I even sold my car. It's about getting out and riding, to each his own in how you prefer to do it. But, that's just an old guy's opinion who doesn't have anything to prove and is secure with my manhood and with who i am.
I have nerve damage in my left leg and needed back surgery because of a work injury, so shifting with my left foot would be a problem of epic proportions. If technology can allow me to have a motorcycle and accommodate my medical issues, I don't give a crap who thinks its a "real bike" or not. Forget fake validations - enjoy the journey, man!
In my country (czech republic) the Honda AT is selling about 60%DCT and 40% manual. And it works, i have one and i love it
interesting, i have a mt09, never ridden an auto bike, might have to go test ride one!
Sure mate, it Will be blast, you Will see
At this point it's only boomers who are shaking their fist and cursing e-clutches/DCTs. They're the way things are headed, and I'm very happy about that. You're removing a huge number of potential rider errors this way.
Also, I know sport bike chads who won't STFU about how bad e-clutches are ... yet have quick shifters/auto-blippers on their bikes. Ok.
I have no physical limitations and never thought I would consider owning a DCT bike, although I was looking for a good everyday commuter bike and a weekend tourer, so now I’m a proud owner of a new Honda DCT NC 750x and I’m enjoying it very much, I don’t miss shifting gears through stop and go traffic and sitting at red lights holding the clutch while in gear, just twist throttle and go!
I'm cool with this, especially with my ankle and knee injuries.
I rode manual bikes for 15 years but am now on my second Honda DCT bike. My hand just can not handle a heavy clutch pull anymore and I’ve found not having to clutch or shift at all to be The Good Life 😊 I like seeing more manufacturers getting on board with auto and semi-auto shifting and clutching technology.
As a disabled rider I have an Africa Twin DCT, I also added an electronic adaptive shifter to my V4 Streetfighter and CBR1000RR-R. I really like the ease of the DCT on my Africa Twin but when offroad a clutch would actually be nice, I find it much more difficult to get the back end to do what I want with just throttle/power. That being said the DCT is also super nice at slow speed technical stuff when offroading such a heavy bike.
I agree, I think the E-Clutch system makes the most sense for introducing new riders to the sport/community while still allowing them to learn how to operate a bike that may not have this feature in the future.
I'd buy it asap if available. Nothing here bigger than 155cc scooter. Bum foot and left hand so auto or similar would make riding easier. Now I shift with my heel and that is frustrating.
First world problem. People who have long daily commutes on their motorcycles in heavy traffic would love to have this.
As a bi-lateral amputee who rides a KX450 at the track, this concept could get me riding on the street. Some people just can't open their mind to something new or different that other people might enjoy or even need.
i hear you, you are right, but i dont think it would be accepatablle if the just went and made all bikes automatic, which i dont think they will but still...p.s at the and who cares bike is bike ride it thats what matters right lol
@@someguy4708 Right on man, I agree w/you as well, if I had feet and ankles I'd for sure be an something fun w/ a manual gearbox.
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Auto and manual can exist side by side, manufacturers offer both options. I own one of each (DCT and manual) and enjoy them equally.
Sir, this is the internet; rationale opinions aren't welcome here.
The reason why I quit riding is the addiction stress on my wrist. I don’t want scooter as well to ride. The reason is we live in different times now versus the past, traffic is becoming heavier, there are just more now.
The automative world including bikes have transformed to include automatic bikes. We have to understand that as people age, their reflexes to change gear manually will be limited to either injuries or health related reasons. We may not like it but the world has to embrace the changes. Electric vehicles are also on the rise so too are electric bikes. So change is evitable, no getting away from it.
Being diagnosed with an autoimmune condition like rheumatoid arthritis I now have a new found appreciation for options like these.
Same diagnosis, same new found appreciation.
Auto is the future. We've ditched pedals, now it's time to go fully automatic and electric
I'm not against electric bikes, it's just that right now they cost so much more, the performance is worse, and the range makes them borderline unusable. If they get electric bikes to the same price-range-performance of ICE bikes then I'll happily buy one!
Its called the Y-AMT system, comes with no clutch lever, and no foot shifter . Instead there is 3 modes to change between on the handle controls D for automatic mode, D+ for sporty automatic mode and M for Manuel mode with a up shift and down shift button on the controls that you use your index finger and thumb for .
I'm 48. When I started driving cars in the early 90s I only drove manual transmission. I thought of myself as pretty skilled and felt that the manual transmission made the driving experience more complete. I still love a manual transmission, but unless you're driving a sports car or commercial-level truck, it's hard to find. I think the same is going to happen to motorcycles.
I'm all for sport-oriented bikes having an optional manual transmission, but 99% of riders would benefit from some form of automatic transmissions on their bikes. 20 years from now I hope automatics are on 95% of bikes.
I have a Yamaha XT660R that I put a YZF450 Rekluse clutch in... the clutch is full auto until you pull the clutch lever and it instantly becomes manual again... Don't touch the clutch lever it stays as an auto clutch.. use the clutch lever and it becomes a manual clutch.. "Its like a big Honda CT110/125 Trail Cub now."
I’m glad bikes are going Automatic because I am a amputee missing my right hand and an automatic helps me get on two wheels so now, if more manufacturers are making more automatics, that means I got more of a selection. I currently have a rebel 1100 DCT so it helps being automatic
After extensive riding off-road with the Africa twin DCT. I would very much say the DCT is so easy and fun to use. Off-road. The way the throttle is programmed to very easily take off at low speed or high speed with the DCT in manual or automatic mode. It made hitting the dirt that much easier and something less to worry about. If I feel like I was putting down too much power in a certain position, I would use the rear brake to modulate that power output to help with uneven terrain and rough downhill or uphill. If I go back to a Honda I'm getting another Africa twin DCT
Honda e-clutch shows they are light years ahead of Yamaha. They even have a self-balancing prototype bike. They put IMU on their 125 naked! Other manufacturers need to try harder.
I agree with Yammie. These automatic solutions should be offered to lower cc beginner bikes / riders. They will benefit the most.
not really, if you dont learn from beginning, you wont learn after that. if you can drive manual=you can drive auto but if you can drive auto does not mean you can drive manual. i ride moped but got license on motorcycle if it was opposite boy o boy i would not be able to start bike even(obvious reasons)
@@someguy4708 "if you dont learn from beginning, you wont learn after that". And ... who cares? No one *NEEDS* to learn shifting for a car or a motorcycle, it's 2024. You can learn and then have the boomer pride of saying "I can actually manually shift a motorcycle!". No one cares. Technology has rendered your worldview obsolete.
@@dhess34 calm down and have cup of pie
I'm from Europe, I learned to drive with a clutch, for car and bike, but the second you give the choice to go Automatic you know I will!
City roads and such in Europe is stupid AF, swapping between 2nd and 3rd gear every 10sec for an hour is boring and gets me tired.
That's why I actually swap to a
Scooter right now, much more comfortable, sitting and driving.
So I'm actually glad they start to include automatic to bikes, just do both, manual one for people that want, automatic for the others
I learnt manual for both cars and bikes. Drove manual cars for 24 years then got a DCT - never going back. It's smoother, quicker, more efficient and way more relaxing. I want a bike with e-clutch so I can get almost all of those benefits but still rev bomb for fun!
Every motorcycle brand should offer an automatic option. I'm surprised its taking this long for other brands besides Honda to evolve for the future.
I used to think that automatic would make it less fun, but then I got a PCX. Honestly, I appreciate the convenience of not having to shift gears manually.
Why do some of yall care so much what other people choose to ride? If you like manual, ride manual; if you like automatic, ride automatic.
I could see myself having an e-clutch option-esque device on my forever liter bike
Wait, if they're just making the clutch auto but you still have to change gears yourself, isn't that like having quick shifter and an auto blipper at the same time? But more smooth?
Finally someone get It!
I ride a DCT Africa Twin off road. The bikes weight has been more of an issue for. Not having to be in the friction zone on difficult terrain is nice and I can more or less crawl at a lower speed and not have to be too concerned with putting too much power and losing traction, but totally agree the Africa Twin is not intended for single track'
I Have a Honda DCT model and i love it, love to hear we are gonna have more options on the market
Only people stuck in the past don't see the benefits of e-clutches/DCTs.
DCTs are a super nice option and offer perfect shifting every time. Even in manual mode it will automatically downshift for you if your speed goes low enough.
I got a 1977 CB750A Hondamatic this year as my first bike. Love the thing. It is a 2 speed no clutch bike. It is not fast, but it looks and sounds great and it works well in traffic on my 1hr commute.I will get another bike eventually, but for now the auto is getting me good road experience. And yes, I can still rev bomb tunnels.
Hey cool stuff. I drive a stick shift car (as most people still do in germany) and bike but honestly, as I get older I just appreciate the ease of use especially in a daily driver situation.
The reason the E clutch is so awesome is because it allows for more spirited riding whereas DCT or automatic gearboxes on a motorcycle just do not feel sporty. Especially if Yamaha plans on bringing the automatic to the MT07 class. Who the hell wants to tap buttons on a hooligan bike!? You want to have full control over the gears, and shifting with your foot just makes the rider feel more connected to the bike. Yamaha just needs to copy Honda w the e clutch.
It’s kind of crazy..I was shopping between the CB650r, Trident 660 and XSR700. THE CB was my favorite but I didn’t like the LCD screen and that it didn’t have an auto down blipper. Then Honda refreshes it and addresses both of my issues with it plus going a step further adding the option to never use the clutch! I am getting the Gray Cb650r e clutch this summer. Can’t wait!
I do appreciate the way Yamaha is willing to try new stuff. It is my choice as to whether to buy one or not, but it is great to have choice.
Some others aren't willing to innovate.
Even riding a harley is more manly than riding an automatic bike..
This yea. Freaking weird.
Perfomance don't care about manliness if auto can improve perfomance just like they did to sports car why not?
@@jasonlemuel5078 if u care about performance go buy a car. Motorcycles are for having fun and always taking the easy route aka "Nah I dont need to learn how to use a clutch" is just boring
I thought Harleys were *g*
@@philippmayenburg7282its a sportbikes aka for perfomance so if auto could increase the perfomance equals more fun
You most likely never drove an auto and felt the "fun"
Love the classical tunes in background. For some reason it really compliments your vids.
automatic? finally, what i honestly have been asking for for years! i cant be bothered doing any shifting!
Looking forward to trying the NC750X DCT. It's unapologetically nerdy, but I'm going to try and go in with an open mind. Manual shifting is fun but I wouldn't say it's crucial to the motorcycling experience for me.
Idk man... I understand why the NC750X DCT is popular but it's like the Prius of bikes. If every bike was like that, I wouldn't ride lol. But that's coming from a sportbike guy
I have an africa twin dct and it does really well off road. Being able to put it in manual mode and trigger shift is great. It would be even better if it wasn't such a heavy bike, but not stalling lets you focus more on not dropping it.
motorcycles going automatic means we can do faster highway pulls on our turbo hayabusas
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MVs SCS is amazing. Took a minute to get used to when stopping but a day's worth of riding and I can't understand why the scs or e clutch system isn't in more bikes.
Woo! What's better than being a fastboi? Doing it effortlessly!!
all my rider friends who made fun with me for switching to a DCT are now dying to ride my bike. Idk why people are so against having options. It's not like they pushing it anyone's throat. Don't like it then don't buy it.
Thats the fun of riding a Motorcycle, banging through the gears! No auto transmisson!!!
^^ Boomer take. You were the person in the 1950's screaming that all cars should be manual. Have fun living in the past.
@@dhess34 Sorry this "boomer" has owned 2 hondas 2 yamahas and 1 kawaski, what kind of bike do you ride?
I find Honda's e-clutch really tasteful. You get an up & down quickshifter without having to give up the cable throttle. There is literally no downside.
They also sell DCT bikes. Have done for a while. Haven't canceled a manual model in favour of a DCT yet.
Just what we need. People that can't figure out a clutch, trying to ride...
it worked for cars in the US as well, might as well work for bikes
@mencibenci the difference is that bikes are ridden for fun and it involves a bunch of skills that have to be learned and mastered, other than using the clutch. if the manual transmission is holding you back from motorcycling you shouldn‘t try it at all. you‘re probably yeeting yourself into the next wall if you think it makes riding any easier
I hate gatekeeping stuff for no reason.
@@BeginnerMoto its like this for a reason, and its intellectually dishonest to call it 'gatekeeping'. its one of the most unsafe recreational activities someone can do and the risk is exponentially worse when anyone can hop on a bike and twist a throttle without having any barrier to entry. it not only puts the rider at risk but others as well. people that spend the time mastering a bikes controls are the ones who stay alive
@@geraltofrivia4651 No it's not intellectually dishonest at all to call it out for what it is which is gatekeeping. We're not talking about controls such as counter steering, brakes, or blinkers, it's just a damn clutch. A clutch is just solution to a problem which is how can we have the motor not stall when having a large load placed on it. If someone has a goal to ride a Harley Livewire, Zero, or DCT bike, it's not necessary to say they need to learn how to use a clutch first. Another example, if you only ride tubeless tire motorcycles why do you need to know how to patch/replace a tube?
Lost most of my left font so a DCT allowed me to keep riding
All the 'macho' men want to hate on automatic, but the truth is, bike sales are down, and having bikes be more accessible to ride for the average joe and jane is a net positive. I'd love to see more riders and less full size vehicles on the road, and automatic is a stepping stone towards that, not to mention anyone with disabilities.
I think it a nice development. As mentioned, it might bring new people into riding. All the comments about how they will never switch to a (semi)automatic bike are not that relevant. Commenters like us here on this channel are not the rider public in general. Honda is successful with DCT and probably with e-clutch as well. It’s what riders (who do not rev bomb or do wheelies on a daily basis) want.
Not gonna lie - living in one of the most populated cities in the US … I’m pretty tempted to pick up an automatic as a second bike for the bulk of my city riding, and keep the Street Twin for the FUN riding.
Yes, the trend is towards automatic transmission. Personally, I prefer the E-clutch system but I am not a Honda Fanboy so I hope that Kawasaki will have something similar in the near future.
I'd legit drop $10k in a minute if Kawi put an e-clutch on any of their sport bikes.
I recently purchased my first bike and I went with the Honda rebel 1100 DCT, I had never ridden on a motorcycle before and even after the beginner safety course I still felt awkward and uncomfortable trying to coordinate the clutch/throttle and shift properly (I blame it on my left side being very “dumb” after only ever driving automatics). But it’s a great bike, I love it, I’m getting used to riding in traffic and I’m already looking at follow-on bikes like a Harley or Indian.
Cars are mostly automatic so why would it be a surprise to see motorcycles go in this direction. and if one bike gets popular that is automatic then you will for sure see others follow.
Americans and the fear of manual shifting, the saga expands
Yamaha is a Japenese company
Yamaha is Japanese
@@rebellucy6200 It's about the market, not the manufacturer's origin.
Having said that, it's not about the Americans, it's about "evolution".
Manual gearboxes are considered old-fashioned and obsolete tech and when the technology exists for auto gearboxes at acceptable cost the market will want them.
Hardcore bikers no longer dictate the market's tendencies.
I'm European and for cars give me Automatic over manual any day but for motorcycles hell no
@@dariomladenovski7047 yeah me too, just ranting for no reason
I don’t really care you do you
Just poking a bit
I drive a manual transmission car bought for that reason and now ride a Burgman 400 scooter with a CVT having many years of shifty motorcycles. I now get no respect from much of the local motorcycle crowd but I never dis them for driving their F150s with an AT. So with these hybrid variations coming out blurring the picture, maybe we will now share our mutual respect for driving on two wheels. Foolish thought?
Awesome for city commuting
To be fair i dont know anyone under 30 that can drive a manual, so its gotta be easier to sell bikes to all those younger people if its auto. Manual has basically disappeared in cars so its not even logical to expect younger people to learn.
E-clutch is NOT automatic. It is semi-automatic with optional manual. It has everything good and nothing bad about manual and semi-auto.
It's basically a logical advancement from Super Cub's centrifugal semi-auto, which is limited to 15 horses.
i like Honda's e-clutch better.
as someone who plans on getting in to motorcycles, i wanted to develop muscle memory in shifting gears when getting started (i can already drive manual on a car) and still have the ability to be lazy and just flick my foot to change gears later on.
Why. Did you teach yourself morse code before you stated texting? There's no point in 'learning' a dead technology when progress has passed it by.
They should just call automatic bikes, scooters.
But scooters don't even have a gearbox dude, and tbh they can just make both, auto and manual, people will still buy them, different uses, for different purpose :)
Jeez what are you trying to copy those old boomers who chastise harley for making other than OHV V twin?
mopeds bro
Fragile masculinity
They should just call automatic cars, gokarts.
I think motorcycle enthusiasts don't really make up the bulk of profits or sales for the Japanese companies. They earn the most money from easy to ride underbones, moped and scooters. So accessible easy to ride motorcycles are great.
I'll never buy an automatic motorcycle. I want my riding experience to be as mechanical as possible (with some consideration to safety). Same reason I won't buy an electric motorcycle.
Want a cookie?
@@DS-qj1iiOnly if it's chocolate chip
But I guess hondas e clutch will be nice. You can use clutch just like a normal bike. It's like a bike with sliper clutch and autoblipper that can stop without using clutch too. Useful if you like touring on motorcycle I guess.
Cool story, Grandpa, now back to your room...
I just want a cheap 300cc supermoto with a CVT scooter powertrain! No chains! No gear changes! Less maintenance! Foot out!
The problem is manufacturers keep wanting to make people choose one or the other. In these days of ride by wire and emu controlled quick shifter interrupts and meshing all that is needed is clutch and gear leaver actuators. The ideal would be Honda e-clutch and an electronic gear change. Add buttons on handlebars and a gear pedal that similarly uses micro switches to actuate gear changes and you get a bike that can be manual or automatic, will be useful for those older riders with arthritic hands or those with foot injuries (like me) who can’t use a conventional gear change. Everyone would be happy, but oh no they always have to leave something out.
The e-clutch thing looks good tbh. The only downside imo is the way it looks
NO, REAL MEN ONLY USE A CLUTCH! And have tubes in their motorcycle tires, and have carbureted bikes, and have kick-starters, and watch black and white TV, and don't have indoor plumbing, and ...
I'm a huge fan of the Rekluse Clutch system.
Yammie...
I rode a '76 Hondamatic once back in the late 80s.
It was a little weird to get used too.
I need a 300, 400 cc automatic naked bike around $5,000 to upgrade my Honda Navi to…. I already have a livewire so I don’t want a speed demon, just a comfortable easy to use and reliable bike with the cheaper price point.
I had a Can Am 900 cc trike. Thing hauled ass and fast off the Line. My Honda DCT arrives in a few weeks. Who cares if it lacks a clutch. Fun is fun.
Rykers go hard, I love mind. Smooth AF ride, with crazy torque, shit does haul ass.
If Honda would put DCT in the Rebel 500&300 that would help ease new folks in.
i test rode the e clutch cb 650 r and its super awesome, huge improvement. greatly appreciate the trend of (semi) automatic introductions
Same. Troglodytes scream, 'I want things to stay the same!' ... as the world leaves them in the dust.
In Quebec, they wont let you do your motocycle license exam with an automatic motocycle
this will definitely make the barrier of entry to bikes lower, for better or worse. I feel like a major issue with this is that if a bike has a full automatic transmission it could cause issues for low speed stuff where the friction zone would be required.
Modern quick shifters are pretty much already there. Up/down QS with autoblippers means you only use the clutch from a start or at a stop. Banging upshifts at full throttle and high revs is very cool. No need to perfect fanning the clutch. Hopefully they forego the torque convertor stall type engagement. An e-clutch would take getting used to.
Imagine what faster automatics could do in racing
I dont see the issue? It's not like all bikes are going automatic. If you don't want an auto, then dont get one, I think an auto is a great option for commuters. It won't be well suited to every situation, but if they pick and choose what it goes in, I think it would be much more intuitive and one less thing to divide your attention when riding.
Damn, Honda's e-clutch is pure gold. Had a CBR650R for a longer test and it was soooo good - felt so much better than any QS - butter smooth, perfect shifts, and no clutch needed at all when stopping or shifting from/to neutral. Give me a bit bigger version of that bike, and I'm going to insta-buy it
I have the Rekluse on my 690, helps a lot with my carpal tunnel/old man arthritis. I don’t care about anyone else’s opinion.
I love the idea of the e-clutch. I just can’t wrap my mind around cornering without a clutch.
Prefer a manual but definitely a nice idea to have an automatic, makes it more accessible to others.
Having both systems, clutch and DCT, I prefer DCT. Get to be mindless and enjoy the ride. I get the " I have more control " with the clutch. But I think the future for motorcycles is the same as what happened to stick shift cars. Not a bad thing.
Exactly. Anyone screaming about shifting being integral to the motorcycling experience is being mindlessly dogmatic.
Any word on the Yamaha XT250 going automatic? That would be awesome
That’s funny, I never put it together than the Honda DCT won’t actually shift gears for you.
Yes it does.
Makes sense ... DCT, QuickShift, etc ... automatics will eventually take over.
Keyboard Rossi's will scoff. But for people who ride daily this will be a huge selling point on motorcycles in the future.
LOL, no. I ride everyday to work, when the weather allows. Have no interest in riding an automatic bike. A large part of the fun is shifting gears and working the clutch.
@@birddogz545 i ride everyday to work when the weather allows or dont, i still prefer my automatic over the manual i started with.
I’m all for it, I have no issues controlling a clutch, but I think this is a great middle ground for accessibility and control. You’ll be able to spot the noobs on these bikes when they’re trying to do slow speed maneuvers.
I like honda’s dct system, fully manual can become a bit tiresome
An e-clutch on the Rebel 500 would be pretty awesome for newer riders who like that style of bike.
The R7 isn’t supposed to be “effortless” to ride. It’s a sport focussed bike (even though the engine will have you believe otherwise).
I can not go for an automatic. I just can't. I NEED control over that gear box. Expect a customer loss if they go straight for automatic and remove (what I guess we can now call standard) standard bikes.