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I have over 25 years of experience working in the telecom industry in affluent areas of NY and CT. I have been on numerous service calls after storms. Despite having the latest and best lighting/surge protection systems in place, including rooftop systems with cabling to ground, and protection at the panel, many homes still experienced damage. It's inconvenient, but if you are aware of an incoming storm, the best protection is to disconnect your equipment from the power source.
Agreed, turn off as much as possible.
Exactly I read heard about things like that, thus I unplug my treadmill and expensive equipment when not in use. When I was in audio school they always told us to buy from a place that offers warranty like Barry said, "not if, but when it happens."
@@genuinefreewilly5706 unplug
So, are you saying the power switch on surge protected power conditioners are not enough and one should still unplug the rig? Thanks
I was told this by an electronics tech over 40 years ago. I still apply this principle. Unplugging a piece of gear, or even a Big screen, will save you a lot of trouble, indeed.😊
I worked for year as a SysAdmin in large data centers and we always had UPS for protection. They not only protect from power outages and brownouts but they deliver clean power. UPS's coming in all sizes from home sizes unit to large units for data centers. When I got back into recording more UPSs to protect gear and supply clean power. For recording they not only protect gear being they keep power going during an outage so you save your project instead of losing it.
I agree, the entire home surge protection operation is the best way to go. 👍🏼 For now using a Furman and so far so good.
you need to have a battery back up / power conditioner / power hub....
A brother in-law of mine lost a nice cars worth of equipment to a lightning strike.
Hey Barry, I have 2 monster rack mount power units each one are on separate 110 ac outlets.. and I don’t trust them fully, so my inexpensive solution is to just unplug my gear when I am not home and when at home during storms. Thanks again for the reminder cause I had slacked off a bit.
A battery backup works great for surge protection, including lightning protection, but to get protection for the entire house at once, get an "EMP Shield." I think I mentioned this in another comment on this channel. EMP Shields connect at the breaker box and it will intercept and take any damage that would have happened to your devices. Then send it back to the company and they fix it (or send you a new one) for $50.
Just one look at the website makes it pretty obvious it isn't to be trusted. Even the name is suspect, how are they going to get a trademark on "emp shield"? Then you have all the supposed awards or partners they claim to have, no legit business has you scrolling through a list like that before you even get to the main page. They claim to be listed in a report from the department of defence, they might have mentioned the words, "EMP shield" in the report but I doubt they mentioned this company.
It claims to shunt the over voltage but how is it supposed to do this with just that little box? The only way I know of to protect from emps is to use a faraday cage which this clearly isn't. It claims to shunt 280,000 amps and activate in one nanosecond, those are just numbers they pulled out of their ass. This isn't going to protect your house from lightning and your car is already pretty safe. They also only mention insurance for $25,000 if their device fails, that isn't much compensation if your house has been struck by lightning and burned down and in terms of cars $25,000 isn't a lot either.
This is just a little box that is supposed to connect to your house fuse board or your car battery, there is no way this can protect from EMPs, it is a complete scam.
I knew I needed protection when my "110" outlets were reading 127!
I have fried 2 interfaces not even a year ago. I live down by Galveston TX area, and storms are like always... pop up hard 30min and sun back out like nothing happened.. Anyways, i had insurance that covered it but had a $500 deductible, so i drop that to $50.00. A backup power supply is good not only it keeps you being out in the dark, but because it kicks in there is no surge. Many of them also have a regulator for clean power.
Good one Barry. I had a $5k speaker blow out in January during a storm. The stupid thing was I'd recently unplugged it from my furman and for some reason plugged it back into the wall socket. Fortunately it was still under warranty.
A better warning has never been issued if you're creating music
A whole house surge protection in conjunction with power outlet conditioners are the best solution other than unplugging everything which can be inconvenient.
my Furman PL-8C saved my system last week. I came in and saw the red light indicating an extreme voltage condition. Ie, it triggers at 137V AC and opens a relay to disconnect power to everything. I've had it for over a decade and this is the first time it's had to step in and save everything. When this happened, the green light indicating voltage protection active was OFF, but powering the conditioner off and back on reset the relay.
It has now moved up to the position of best $200 I've ever spent on gear lol :D
Very interesting video. Probably the best advice is just unplug everything when the storms come. Right now I use the Furman MX 8-2. Is that sufficient? If no, what do you suggest? Thanks in advance.
i live in SO California... & this year we did had Thunder Storms which did Hit but I've been proctected w/ 2 Surge Protecters which are not cheap & my Outboard Gear Survived. Living Back in So. Utah, we had STORMS just like you Barry but approx. 3-4 month per/yr. & they Hit close. Yup, One of the 1st GEAR I BOUGHT & like you said< "Figure Down the Road how much your need " ( & How many Joules would I need to cover everything that is neccesary, DO the MATH so you can work/feel at ease when the DO HIT! )
Great topic Barry 🍻 I have 3 surge protection power conditioners and I have them plugged into a surge protected UPS. Last surge my MacPro didn’t make it but my preamps, interfaces & other racks survived. So you’re right, protect your investment and protect it right
I am in the Philippines, Mindinao where rolling blackouts are common occurrences. I use a combination of power conditioning and UPS large extended batteries. My area is not just power surges, but also power sags on 220 VAC wall sockets. I’ve had great luck with APC brand where other UPS’s failed to protect.
I have a Furman PL-PLUS C it has save my equipment more times that I can count. I have read about those types of accidents but I unplug things that's not in use.
i use a furman power conditioner gets rid of the hum plus it has surge protection too
Timely advice Barry...
It's Monday over here in Australia. On Saturday we had heavy rain in my region & my suburb had two blackouts.
Surges can occur when the power comes back on... I have two Furman rackmounted devices, they will self destruct if a surge comes through. My small home recording gear, Kemper & PC are all hooked up to these. These also help isolate the devices from the house ground noise...
40 years + experience in IT and audio here. Surge protectors are totally inadequate and mostly rubbish. Run the studio from a decent UPS and optionally use a quality technical ground. And when a heavy lightning storm is nearby, power down! Notes from deep rural Spain...
@jrgroberts after extensive research, I'm 100% investing in a UPS. Any brand/model recommendations for a med-sized home studio? Currently looking at offerings from eaton and apc.
Ditek surge protectors made in Largo Florida have solutions for both high voltage and low voltage devices. Furman surge and power line conditioners are available for the high current devices such as amps and active speakers. SurgeX is another good option.
I'm down in southwest Florida myself. I'm curious what you are using. I've got a Furman PL-8C. I also have an old Rack Rider RR-15. I had a Black Lion Audio PG-XLM, but it started making bad noise, and when I tried replacing it, the brand new one did too.
Really love your channel and appreciate all your videos and appreciate even more your honest opinion on gear , companies etc , I have a question if ya don’t mind , I’m looking for a new pair of studio monitors and I’m on the fence between the Adam A77H or the Dynaudio Lydia 48 , I have a relatively small space not too small though , so your input is greatly appreciated.
Thank you Barry and keep up the amazing work
Thank you for the support! As to the monitors, it’s always a hard question as I have not tried all of them so I can only speak to what I have used. I’m sure the Dynaudio are very good, but I just can’t give an opinion.
Message! Furman PST-8s over here. I’ve gotten them for about $120 - $180 over the years. It actually came in handy one day and all things still work and I still use the same one so didn’t have to throw away or anything.
I’m in South Florida and feel your pain.
I have a SurgeX into my main dedicated 20 amp circuit. All studio gear in the room terminates here. I have powered speakers and near field speaker amps straight into that. Each synth and outboard rack has its power strip going into a pair of those rack mount units with 8 power switches that are plugged into the SurgeX. I can select what racks to power up from there. And an APC 1500, plugged into the SurgeX, that handles my computer, monitor, audio and MIDI interfaces and network switch.
Am looking into a whole house solution as well. But agree to unplug everything when you happen to know a bad storm is coming.
I have battery backup ups APC, 4 unit. But for more cover i plan to have battery jenerator. (Lifepo)
This is new news to me. I'm from Southern California, so I don't know much about storms lol. I now live in NE Texas where we get them and have bought around 40k worth of music gear in the past two years. I have a rackmount protector but have my Moogs and other expensive drum machines and speakers on power strips. Should I unplug them during storms until I get another professional surge protector? Or just not use them during storms?
I cant afford to replace a Moog One and Moog Matriarch and other expensive gear 😢
I did some extensive research for about an hour and a half and learned a lot about the three causes for surges. Of course the main two being electricity restoration after a thunder/lighting storm (or power coming back on for whatever reason. And the other being overpowering a surge protector or power strip. I found that using a Tripp Lite UltraBlock428 is one of the safest guards. It has a response time of
Had a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe plugged into the wall direct, off, but after a surge it now has a nasty buzz in it when before it was clean as could be
In UK we have things called SPD's that go into your consumer unit (Electric distribution box for house) that diverts extra voltage to earth. It's a new thing though and most places don't have them yet.
Great message. I just went through a long decision process in deciding which rack power conditioner/regulator to get. There are several options from Furman. Almost too many. It took a couple weeks before I settled on one. It was in the mid range. I have a Sales Engineer at SW but I leaned a lot on reviews. Even some of the higher end Furman didn't have the greatest reviews. I wish there was another company that I knew of that offered the same products but I don't know of one. There used to be several to choose from years ago (although most weren't a consideration ie: juice goose, gemini, but there were competitors).
I was considering searching for a company that made high end power strips but still wasn't sure if that would fit the bill. This is for guitar equipment for shows in my area.
Thanks for the video and I will use your affiliate links here forward.
FWIW, my $270 Furman PL-8C saved my gear just last week. It is not fancy, no USB on the front, no digital display, etc. But it got the job done. Furman explains that at 137V AC the device trips and shuts off a relay to protect the system.
I have looked at ART and Black Lion, and ART doesn't tell how their spike protection even works. Black Lion's $300 condition absorbs 2775 joules which is 2775W over 1 second. It's less W the more time, but a lightning strike is fractions of a second I guess.
I use a UPS system with a heavy amperage surge protector that a dedicated wired system for my home studio .
Great advice Barry. I moved from NY to central FL and storms here are crazy. A surge protector or power conditioner is an important investment for the studio. I have one on each rack and I am considering buying another surge protector to install before the others. is very important to protect your gears.
Welcome to Florida!
I was looking at your retailer links. I am considering upgrading to the RME UFX lll. I will definitely be buying from Thomann if or when I do. What a huge price difference.
if you're in the US, a lot of that price difference, and sometimes all of it, will be obliterated by shipping. It's always 2-day air from there to the US :D
I have 3 APC UPS's battery backup with surge protection in my studio. Everything I have all through my house is all on battery backup/surge protection. I think a total of 10. 5 big beefy ones, and 5 smaller ones for TVs and wifi Mesh.
I've lost power in the middle of work and I have enough time to save, and shutdown. I've not lost anything, knock on wood, but I guess in the event of a bad electrical storm, it is one plug you can just unplug from the wall if you really feel safer that way.
APC does have a protection warranty, so read up on that. The UPS will have to be replaced in the case of a surge.
I unplug my whole studio from wall power when I'm not working.. a nearby lightning strike (which happens all the time on the east coast) can destroy your gear easily, even with a high-end transient suppressor.
Very disappointed the Kontrol MK3 cannot edit MIDI templates. That was my primary use case on the MK2, and one of the only reasons I was in the NI ecosystem. I hated that the NKS2 pages feature does not allow you to edit the order or composition of the controls as with NKS1. I feel these were deliberate function removals to lock us into the NI ecosystem because obviously you are not using a non-NKS compatible plug-in like Zenology anymore if you can’t control anything. Anyways, was really hoping no one would buy this thing so NI got the message but I suppose no one really knew what the MK2 was capable of.
Yup, got a Black Lion pg/x conditioner/surge protection after investing in a Seventh Circle Audio J99 preamp w/PC-01 hpusing ($700 DIY).
I scored a full balanced UPS system with PSW output from an IT company that closed up. My DAW PC, drives, primary display and interfaces all run off of that. Since going this route, I have had far less trouble with odd bugs in my system and I no longer worry (as much) about dirty power or weather. I'm in an apartment so a whole-house system is not an option for now. A UPS system will require new batteries and service but is well worth the money over a standard MOV based surge strip.
I have just had to repair my iMac 2011 from a power cut and surge old Mac now but still good 👍 took the iMac apart and saw the power supply board fried luckily f me it cost 90 dollars to purchase a new one but will look into a surge protection great video best wishes Phil UK England 👍
good subject
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Nice you should be a teacher
Fixed…thanks
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I use Black Lion PG units in every rack (5) and they have done an awesome job during brownouts, blackouts and thunderstorms.
I grabbed me a APC UPS and tied it to my Main PC and Server. Power went out many times and everything was fine. I have 10 minutes to shut down my items properly. In 2016 I lost half my PC to a power surge including my main drive.
I calculated how much total wattage all my gear uses and then doubled that. That's how I determined which back power unit to get. Then I opened it and connected a 200ah sealed battery (12v). let it charge for a day. place it in a box I built for it with vent fans that carry the air to and from outside. The batteries are sealed batteries but It doesn't hurt to have ventilation for cooling and air flow.
With that batter connected to the unit, I plug in power strips and then plug everything into the surge protected side of the back up power unit.
Do any of this *WILL* *VOID* *WARRANTIES*
That 200ah batter can run my entire studio for more than an hour. If I cut some stuff I can limp it to 1.5 hours. That's everything in my studio. Lights, boards, computers, fans...everything.
Depending on how good your electrical wiring knowledge is, please consult a licensed electrical professional before doing what I stated
Central Florida?? I knew Barry was crazy.
Thanks Barry, I live on the west coast of British Columbia, we also get nasty storms, perhaps not at quite the level of Florida. Thankfully our hydro is always getting updated meaning we have at least 2 scheduled outages a year, one coming up in a week and we are given best practices. That does not cost anything
Ideally if you update your wall outlet, you can have modern surge protection built into that, and its not too costly. Most power bars are annoyingly good, resetting them is an issue.
The more crap you have running in your home during a storm is not cool, turn off battery chargers for tools, cellphones, portable drives from usb ports etc... Its plain common sense.
In all its forms electricity and elementary particles follow the easy path of least resistance as far as I know. Don't give it a chance to take a detour.
Appreciate that this is an US channel speaking to a mostly US audience, but I think this is a mostly US type of problem. Not heard of this being common in Europe. Only time ever lost electronics was due to lightning hitting the telephone lines and grounding in the house. Never heard of power surges causing failures here. (UK). But good info. I’ve got most of my pricier kit running the UPS in any case but more to give me time to power down than to protect against supply issues.
Remember the US is a very big place, we have every climate you can imagine due to how big and spread apart it is.
@@BarryJohns indeed a continent as much as a country. Been there dozens of times. Used to work for a large US company in energy sector years ago so well aware of the challenges. We’re lucky in the UK to have such stringent power standards even if our plugs are rather large.
Absolutely! Texas...half a power grid with whole storms= ruint gear if not power conditioned.
I did some extensive research for about an hour and a half and learned a lot about the three causes for surges. Of course the main two being electricity restoration after a thunder/lighting storm (or power coming back on for whatever reason. And the other being overpowering a surge protector or power strip. I found that using a Tripp Lite UltraBlock428 is one of the safest guards. It has a response time of
I like the looks of those UltraBlocks. Nice and hidden away.
Great tip to get some electric protection. Here in germany this is no issue, furtunately. We have protection build in the overall electric system. Plus in the house circuitry we have electrical fuses and they safe all the gear from overcurrent. It must be a very very big coincidence if something gets burned here ;-)
4 tube amps dead from awful rehearsal studio power. Marshall, two vox’s & carvin. Studio has freight elevator that surges power in whole building.
First I have an Eaton CHSPT2Ultra connected at my breaker box and I also run all my studio gear through Furman M-8x AR Voltage Regulators.
Best advice for sure is shut things down / disconnect during a bad storm of course.
I run APC Back-UPs Pro. They never failed me.
Beware, old surge protection gear can also have reduced effectiveness... I would make sure that your older high quality surge protection gear is still within it's lifespan...
Monster does NOT guarantee their Line Level Conditioners against surges.
I used to sell electronic components. I like Tripp Lite ISOBARs. They are well built and offer $50,000 Insurance.
I got surge connected to another surge lol
Wasn't gear, it was actual PC... in California during a storm. FYI: Beware the cheapest items called power washer/cleaner and surge protector. Almost bought one with advertisement making it seem full-featured and it was not. Great stuff here B
That's why we have a REAL power grid here in Norway, not based on shitty power sources like 1-phase Live / ground flimsy brown-out Nuclear fission reactors, burning brown Coal, crude oil etc ... yeah, that's right! 3-phase balanced 220-240 volts of BALANCED power, and 50 Hz alternate current frequency got something to say too! We use our Furman units just for show ;P
Furman so far good here in TX
Florida has a massive amount of lightning strikes every year
You're missing one big thing. Lightning and a power surge are 2 completely different events. A surge protector can't protect your electronics from lightning. It comes in through the ground, where a power surge is just more electricity going through the regular power line that its supposed to. As far as I know, there is no surge protector on the market that can deal with a lightning strike. I'm sure there is some type of expensive, custom solution that a government or large corporation can purchase to deal with lightning, but aside from that, you need to unplug your gear in a storm.
At this point, I'm sure everyone is going to want post telling me how wrong I am. I know it says on whatever device you have that it protects against lightning. However, that's not an entirely accurate statement. While it does say it protects against lightning, you have to read the fine print. These companies know that they're not going to too many lightning claims. So, instead of telling everyone that lightning is not covered, they just say it is, and its treat it like an insurance policy. They make a lot more money paying out an occasional lightning claim than all the sales they would loose if they didn't offer lightning coverage.
Back to Nuendo?
Nuendo is a very capable daw, and not a product sold by avid. PSA
@@ghoughpteighbteau2620 I Know I use Nuendo 13 every day is my DAW I'm also certified by Steinberg, for me is the most powerful DAW just asking because he went back to pro tools since working on Nuendo for some time!
You could have said all of that in about a minute. :-)
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LOL, america... 3rd world.... where nobody is using lighting rods and all power lines are on (often wooden) poles... In Europe: 99% buildings with lighting rods, power lines underground or on metal poles with spark gaps.
Of course we have all those things, come and experience one of our storms daily in Central Florida. Also there are lots of people commenting from Europe saying they had the issue. Enough of these comments that divide people rather than try to help them.
Also, second to only Venezuela is the lighting capital of the world, just sayin’.🤦♂️
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Not even sure why that is any of your business
She went to the bathroom.