Not enough 4K monitors and most of them are not as good as 1440p monitors with more features and high refresh rate. Monitor makers need to wait for Nvidia to implement Displayport 2.1 to their gpus until they can make 4K monitors worth our while.
@@Shadowsmoke11 Agree! I play mostly on my Samsung Odyssey G7 1440p monitor. But i also have my PC hooked up to my LG C1. I strongly prefer 1440p as i get higher fps and graphical settings because my 3080 can’t really do 4k that ”well”. My comment was not serious at all 😅
I just bought a Samsung G8 qd OLED for my PC because my wife wanted my PC out of the living room. My PC was connected to my LG c1. I have a 4080 with a 7800x3d. I honestly can't tell the difference in picture quality they both look great. 1440 OLED looks just as beautiful and I haven't tested it much yet but I should get better fps. Like he said in the video 4k is awesome but it takes a hell of a machine to run it. Can you really tell the difference. I'm almost 40 so I can't. I agree with him 4090 is overpriced and you don't need it. The only thing that's good about it is it's more future proof. 1600 bucks for a graphics card is ridiculous. 1100 is too though
@@jimmytimber7074 Actually, i totally agree and have since come around fully. Changed out my LGCX ”monitor”(wall mounted tv at the desk) because it wasnt really the most ergonomic. Now i’m sporting a 32” Samsung Odyssey Qled monitor at 1440p 16:9 with RTX4080. Honestly couldn’t be happier. Great performance in all games and as you say crisp enough. I have fully joined 1440p gang again. 😅
The 4090 has nearly 70% more CUDA cores. Those are the video calculation units. For reference, that's a whole lot more impactful than 8GB more video memory you're likely not using unless you're an artist.
Yeah the 4090 has a crazy more amount of cuda cores. I had it up in the comparison but didn’t talk about it. It’s interesting tho because the 3080ti has more cuda cores than the 4080 yet the 4080 destroys that card.
@@Techomode I can tell you why 1st - L2 cache, 2nd - core speed. Nvidia cheats with L2 cache in 4000 generation, they drop every stat, because L2 cache do all work. Also with UE5 and lumen, actual cores is the most important as the guy said
When he did the comparison and only talked about the ram and not the 6,656 more cuda cores I was like "Wait, hold up". The compute cores get more efficient every gen so comparing core count amongst older and newer cards does not work as well, but same gen is legit.
NGL, The 4080 is a better 4070 Ti with a tad bit better higher specs, 256 memory bus and 4GB of vram, Also i would feel funny spending 1199 on a inferior gpu which i would wonder i should of gotten a 4090 over the 4080, Buyers remorse kicks in and for 400$ from the 1199 the 4090 looks to be the best option = If ima spend 1,199 i might as well go all the way Between the 4080 & 4090 if i want a card to last 5+ years without any compromise @ 1440p / 4k which also you can use DLDSR 2.25 from 1440p. 100% it would be the RTX 4090 With 4080 being a better 4070 Ti which really both cards do 1440p 144hz nicely. You may get 10-30fps more in some games with a 4080, Your going to upgrade a bit faster
@@DETERMINOLOGY imo, only the 4090 is worth a upgrade, specially from the 3080 to a 4000 series card. 5 years is completly unrealistic, maybe 2 years. nothing is future proof. even the 4090 cant handle pathtracing very well, you get a lot of FPS drops under 60 fps in Cyberpunk overdrive, with DLSS
I game at 4K with my Gigabyte RTX4080 OC 16gb, I'm playing on a 70" screen and it plays games great at 4k. I couldn't go back, it looks way better in 4K than 1440p on a 70" screen. Cheers
it also depends how you play the Games. At 1440p, at Ultra settings + RT + Graphical Mods (Reshade for example takes 8 to 15fps, depending on the Game), the RTX4080 might hit the ceiling in 1 or 2 years. The 4090 is already outdated after the Pathtracing Techdemo of Cyberpunk 2077, few days ago. barely 13fps AVG, at 4K Native. Only with the help of DLSS3 + Frame Generation it reaches 56fps (not even 60). That should show, where Gaming is going in a few years.
That’s why I always buy midrange so I can keep up with graphics update and look for the best bang for buck. I had the 4090 Fe card and it was a beautiful card that ran every games at 4k 120fps perfectly in my 65” c1 oled. I ended up returning the card as I couldn’t justify the $1731 price tag after tax to Best Buy and instead rather pick up a mid range card and play 1440p until 4k becomes more mainstream in a few years. The day a 070 series cards at $600 can push 120fps 4k is the day I’ll have 4k gaming. Not worth that amount of money really. I currently have a 3060 ti which runs great on my 1440p monitor but thinking about getting the 4070 Fe card.
@@eplugplay8409 It’s not logical comparison. When you get a mid range card, you also get mid range performance during that time. Now it is upto you whether you are content at the end of the day with mid range performance. You pay more for more performance but then there is diminishing returns for higher end cards but it depends how you value that performance
@@pinakmiku4999 Agreed. For me there is no card out there that can get me consistent 120fps @ 4K on my 65" C1 OLED except the 4090. 4080 can with settings turned down for sure but I want high to ultra mainly settings. I know better cards are coming out possibly the 4090 TI and 5000 series later next year or early 2025 but as long as I can game at 120fps consistently on my 4K OLED to be able to utilize it, its worth it.
@@eplugplay8409 Ya, better cards will always be in pipeline to utilize the technology progress. After 2 years even more demanding games will launch where 5090 will also be struggling. Did you check Cyberpunk overdrive ray tracing!? Even 4090 struggles there and reaches just 60 fps. When buying high end cards the performance is definitely superior but whether it is worth it or not depends. It's nice you are content with mid range. Many are running behind top technology and hunger is never satisfied
An meh optimized game running PT @ ultra settings That's one of the ways gamers fall in the upgrade trap...Making more sales for a 5090 And once they come out with something thats called "light tracing or what ever its called on top of the game being not the best optimized then yall with say the 5090 and 6090 is garbage. They getting clever on how you can spend $$$ and upgrade more... Basically more gimmicked ways to get you to either buy a new gpu or upgrade....
At this point, I think it isn't worth buying a RTX 4090. Might as well wait for eventual RTX 5090 to come out next year in October. It will be a painful wait, but I've waited for this long so far.
@@whatafailedchannel3052 get goth and over pay lol 😂. A 4090 is well more then good for me for 6 years. As I had the gtx 1080 since launch and used it for 6 years. A 4090 would carry me the same way @ 1440 and even I could upgrade to 4k if I wanted. A 5090 would cost 2k or more and the power difference between a 4090 and 5090 isn’t worth it im sorry. If ima pay 2k that gpu betta be on demon time from what I have now which it won’t be
@@DETERMINOLOGY Absaloutly, my real estate properties and stock profile will set me up a 15k + new computer each week, I absaloutly understand in having the best performance but obviously people cannot be in the same financial situation and must go with what their budget is.
@@whatafailedchannel3052 it’s about not that. It’s about getting raped on prices and little performance jumps . The difference between a 4090 and 5090 isn’t worth 2k or more I’m sorry. Now I’d you had a gtx 1080 2080 to the 5090 then the upgrade would be extremely huge.
Don't understand why you use DLSS Ultra Performance on Tomb Raider? That setting is the lowest quality level for DLSS and highly likely causes some CPU bottleneck. You should never go below DLSS Quality.
I game on my 4k 65 inch 144hz and the difference there is completely different with the 4080 vs 4090. But like you said at 1440P the 4080 will do a very good job and you save money so win/win
Top of the line products have always been ranted against. But if ur a connoisseur of state of the art tech, 4090 is really worth it over a 4080 considering how much people spend over unimportant things. Gpu is not what u buy every month so u better get the best of it :)
Does anyone know what his PC build is aside from the 4090? I need a better case for my 4090 as I am like 99% certain I do not have a good enough CPU nor enough fans. I will likely need a bigger case too. I was thinking the 011 dynamic evo xl. What are yalls thoughts on that case, would it be a good investment? Also maybe if anyone could give me advice as a whole on what else I should add. I currently have a standard width midtower case, 5 fans, an FE 4090 and a intel i-9 13900k cpu.
The 011 dynamic case is a good choice. Honestly I really like the NZXT H9 elite or the H9 Flow. I'm not sponsored by them. I just really like the look and performance of the case. What kind of cooler do you have for the CPU? I would definitely recommend at least a triple fan radiator for that cpu. I have a 12900K and that thing gets hella hot on any cooler I use unless its on a triple fan radiator. As far as the 4090, the H9 has really good airflow especially when you install all 10 fans. I also have a corsair 4000D airflow which works well, but still the NZXT H9 is still on another level.
Using a 4090, On my ultrawide 3440X1440 modern warfare raytracing gave me 95fps and its not enough for me. So 4090 is not overkill and 4080 is not enough no matter the price difference. Either go full budget or full quality. Why even get a 4080 thats not either?
I’ve Got an ultrawide at 1440p. Those cards might be little overkill for 1440p, but if you got the money the 4090 is obviously better. I personally use a 4080 and it’s great. I haven’t got my hands on a 7900xtx yet but if are doing an all AMD build that’s a solid way to go. And it’ll save you like $500 bucks from the 4090.
@@Techomode 4090 isnt never overkill @ 1440p. You have to think about it. 1440p + 144-165Hz or higher + High or Ultra settings which all 3 of those can be demanding together and we know how games are being optimized now days. DEF not overkill as games like alan wake 2 would love to say hello
I love watching 4K movies on my 4K Oled. All my content is in 4K. Have nothing against 4K. If you game in 4K that’s fine. Once you have like a bigger monitor too it makes sense. But if you got a 27” or 32” monitor, it doesn’t make as much sense.
Why game at 1440p when you can game at 4k?
High refreshrate
Not enough 4K monitors and most of them are not as good as 1440p monitors with more features and high refresh rate. Monitor makers need to wait for Nvidia to implement Displayport 2.1 to their gpus until they can make 4K monitors worth our while.
@@Shadowsmoke11 Agree! I play mostly on my Samsung Odyssey G7 1440p monitor. But i also have my PC hooked up to my LG C1. I strongly prefer 1440p as i get higher fps and graphical settings because my 3080 can’t really do 4k that ”well”. My comment was not serious at all 😅
I just bought a Samsung G8 qd OLED for my PC because my wife wanted my PC out of the living room. My PC was connected to my LG c1. I have a 4080 with a 7800x3d. I honestly can't tell the difference in picture quality they both look great. 1440 OLED looks just as beautiful and I haven't tested it much yet but I should get better fps. Like he said in the video 4k is awesome but it takes a hell of a machine to run it. Can you really tell the difference. I'm almost 40 so I can't. I agree with him 4090 is overpriced and you don't need it. The only thing that's good about it is it's more future proof. 1600 bucks for a graphics card is ridiculous. 1100 is too though
@@jimmytimber7074 Actually, i totally agree and have since come around fully. Changed out my LGCX ”monitor”(wall mounted tv at the desk) because it wasnt really the most ergonomic.
Now i’m sporting a 32” Samsung Odyssey Qled monitor at 1440p 16:9 with RTX4080. Honestly couldn’t be happier. Great performance in all games and as you say crisp enough. I have fully joined 1440p gang again. 😅
The 4090 has nearly 70% more CUDA cores. Those are the video calculation units. For reference, that's a whole lot more impactful than 8GB more video memory you're likely not using unless you're an artist.
Yeah the 4090 has a crazy more amount of cuda cores. I had it up in the comparison but didn’t talk about it. It’s interesting tho because the 3080ti has more cuda cores than the 4080 yet the 4080 destroys that card.
@@Techomode I can tell you why 1st - L2 cache, 2nd - core speed. Nvidia cheats with L2 cache in 4000 generation, they drop every stat, because L2 cache do all work. Also with UE5 and lumen, actual cores is the most important as the guy said
When he did the comparison and only talked about the ram and not the 6,656 more cuda cores I was like "Wait, hold up". The compute cores get more efficient every gen so comparing core count amongst older and newer cards does not work as well, but same gen is legit.
NGL, The 4080 is a better 4070 Ti with a tad bit better higher specs, 256 memory bus and 4GB of vram, Also i would feel funny spending 1199 on a inferior gpu which i would wonder i should of gotten a 4090 over the 4080, Buyers remorse kicks in and for 400$ from the 1199 the 4090 looks to be the best option = If ima spend 1,199 i might as well go all the way
Between the 4080 & 4090 if i want a card to last 5+ years without any compromise @ 1440p / 4k which also you can use DLDSR 2.25 from 1440p. 100% it would be the RTX 4090
With 4080 being a better 4070 Ti which really both cards do 1440p 144hz nicely. You may get 10-30fps more in some games with a 4080, Your going to upgrade a bit faster
@@DETERMINOLOGY imo, only the 4090 is worth a upgrade, specially from the 3080 to a 4000 series card. 5 years is completly unrealistic, maybe 2 years. nothing is future proof. even the 4090 cant handle pathtracing very well, you get a lot of FPS drops under 60 fps in Cyberpunk overdrive, with DLSS
I game at 4k with a 4080 and its great once you try 4k its hard to drop down especially if you have an oled
I game at 4K with my Gigabyte RTX4080 OC 16gb, I'm playing on a 70" screen and it plays games great at 4k.
I couldn't go back, it looks way better in 4K than 1440p on a 70" screen.
Cheers
Same! Playing games on my CX "55 Oled is just pure bliss. DLSS looks awesome!
I work in 4K and can't go back. On smaller resolutions I only see the lines...
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it also depends how you play the Games. At 1440p, at Ultra settings + RT + Graphical Mods (Reshade for example takes 8 to 15fps, depending on the Game), the RTX4080 might hit the ceiling in 1 or 2 years.
The 4090 is already outdated after the Pathtracing Techdemo of Cyberpunk 2077, few days ago. barely 13fps AVG, at 4K Native. Only with the help of DLSS3 + Frame Generation it reaches 56fps (not even 60).
That should show, where Gaming is going in a few years.
That’s why I always buy midrange so I can keep up with graphics update and look for the best bang for buck. I had the 4090 Fe card and it was a beautiful card that ran every games at 4k 120fps perfectly in my 65” c1 oled. I ended up returning the card as I couldn’t justify the $1731 price tag after tax to Best Buy and instead rather pick up a mid range card and play 1440p until 4k becomes more mainstream in a few years. The day a 070 series cards at $600 can push 120fps 4k is the day I’ll have 4k gaming. Not worth that amount of money really. I currently have a 3060 ti which runs great on my 1440p monitor but thinking about getting the 4070 Fe card.
@@eplugplay8409 It’s not logical comparison. When you get a mid range card, you also get mid range performance during that time. Now it is upto you whether you are content at the end of the day with mid range performance. You pay more for more performance but then there is diminishing returns for higher end cards but it depends how you value that performance
@@pinakmiku4999 Agreed. For me there is no card out there that can get me consistent 120fps @ 4K on my 65" C1 OLED except the 4090. 4080 can with settings turned down for sure but I want high to ultra mainly settings. I know better cards are coming out possibly the 4090 TI and 5000 series later next year or early 2025 but as long as I can game at 120fps consistently on my 4K OLED to be able to utilize it, its worth it.
@@eplugplay8409 Ya, better cards will always be in pipeline to utilize the technology progress. After 2 years even more demanding games will launch where 5090 will also be struggling. Did you check Cyberpunk overdrive ray tracing!? Even 4090 struggles there and reaches just 60 fps. When buying high end cards the performance is definitely superior but whether it is worth it or not depends. It's nice you are content with mid range. Many are running behind top technology and hunger is never satisfied
An meh optimized game running PT @ ultra settings
That's one of the ways gamers fall in the upgrade trap...Making more sales for a 5090
And once they come out with something thats called "light tracing or what ever its called on top of the game being not the best optimized then yall with say the 5090 and 6090 is garbage. They getting clever on how you can spend $$$ and upgrade more...
Basically more gimmicked ways to get you to either buy a new gpu or upgrade....
I saw the 4K light in 2017-2018 and haven't looked back since.
What cpu cooler is that? I love the deathstar screen
Bro, it’s 2023 not 2010. Who’s still playing at 1080p though? Once you go 4k you can’t go back. Lol
once you go 1440p ultrawide there is no going back to anything.
Not everyone can afford that
At this point, I think it isn't worth buying a RTX 4090. Might as well wait for eventual RTX 5090 to come out next year in October. It will be a painful wait, but I've waited for this long so far.
Im sure you work at nv as you know exactly what month its coming. They saying 2025. oct would be 2024
Just get both, and saying that the 5090 will be even more expensive and the 4090 will drop in price.
@@whatafailedchannel3052 get goth and over pay lol 😂. A 4090 is well more then good for me for 6 years. As I had the gtx 1080 since launch and used it for 6 years. A 4090 would carry me the same way @ 1440 and even I could upgrade to 4k if I wanted. A 5090 would cost 2k or more and the power difference between a 4090 and 5090 isn’t worth it im sorry. If ima pay 2k that gpu betta be on demon time from what I have now which it won’t be
@@DETERMINOLOGY Absaloutly, my real estate properties and stock profile will set me up a 15k + new computer each week, I absaloutly understand in having the best performance but obviously people cannot be in the same financial situation and must go with what their budget is.
@@whatafailedchannel3052 it’s about not that. It’s about getting raped on prices and little performance jumps . The difference between a 4090 and 5090 isn’t worth 2k or more I’m sorry. Now I’d you had a gtx 1080 2080 to the 5090 then the upgrade would be extremely huge.
Don't understand why you use DLSS Ultra Performance on Tomb Raider? That setting is the lowest quality level for DLSS and highly likely causes some CPU bottleneck. You should never go below DLSS Quality.
I game on my 4k 65 inch 144hz and the difference there is completely different with the 4080 vs 4090.
But like you said at 1440P the 4080 will do a very good job and you save money so win/win
Top of the line products have always been ranted against. But if ur a connoisseur of state of the art tech, 4090 is really worth it over a 4080 considering how much people spend over unimportant things. Gpu is not what u buy every month so u better get the best of it :)
I think I'm just going to wait for the 5090. 😢
hi man whats the name of your cpu cooler? nice pc though
Does anyone know what his PC build is aside from the 4090? I need a better case for my 4090 as I am like 99% certain I do not have a good enough CPU nor enough fans. I will likely need a bigger case too. I was thinking the 011 dynamic evo xl. What are yalls thoughts on that case, would it be a good investment? Also maybe if anyone could give me advice as a whole on what else I should add. I currently have a standard width midtower case, 5 fans, an FE 4090 and a intel i-9 13900k cpu.
The 011 dynamic case is a good choice. Honestly I really like the NZXT H9 elite or the H9 Flow. I'm not sponsored by them. I just really like the look and performance of the case. What kind of cooler do you have for the CPU? I would definitely recommend at least a triple fan radiator for that cpu. I have a 12900K and that thing gets hella hot on any cooler I use unless its on a triple fan radiator. As far as the 4090, the H9 has really good airflow especially when you install all 10 fans. I also have a corsair 4000D airflow which works well, but still the NZXT H9 is still on another level.
I think the real difference is when you run 2000 skyrim mods with 4090 vs 1000 skyrim mods with 4080.
Would 4080 or 4070ti run VR ?
I agree I use 1440p, but the 4090 is not even quite enough for VR users with the best headsets.
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Using a 4090, On my ultrawide 3440X1440 modern warfare raytracing gave me 95fps and its not enough for me. So 4090 is not overkill and 4080 is not enough no matter the price difference. Either go full budget or full quality. Why even get a 4080 thats not either?
That MSI Gaming X 4090 is one of the worst ones when it comes to cooling. It lacks a vapour chamber.
or how about some people just have the money to spend and aren't living pay check to paycheck..
i am thinking 4090 or 7900xtx for 1440 ultrawide gaming.
I’ve Got an ultrawide at 1440p. Those cards might be little overkill for 1440p, but if you got the money the 4090 is obviously better. I personally use a 4080 and it’s great. I haven’t got my hands on a 7900xtx yet but if are doing an all AMD build that’s a solid way to go. And it’ll save you like $500 bucks from the 4090.
@@Techomode 4090 isnt never overkill @ 1440p. You have to think about it. 1440p + 144-165Hz or higher + High or Ultra settings which all 3 of those can be demanding together and we know how games are being optimized now days. DEF not overkill as games like alan wake 2 would love to say hello
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Did I just get roasted because I game at 4k? Jeez bud what'd 4k do to you lol
I love watching 4K movies on my 4K Oled. All my content is in 4K. Have nothing against 4K. If you game in 4K that’s fine. Once you have like a bigger monitor too it makes sense. But if you got a 27” or 32” monitor, it doesn’t make as much sense.