the only thing that worries me is what comes next after the RTX 4000 cards, how tf are people going to fit RTX 5000 cards into their case? These cards already barely fit most cases, and I haven't even mentioned their power outpit. The laws of the universe mean these big coolers aren't going away anytime soon lol. You're gonna need a 1500W PSU to run a RTX 5090 lol and I feel aircooled GPU's will die by this point since water cooled cards are much smaller in size and more efficient at cooling.
you said that whoever is watching has probably already seen Linus' and GamersNexus' reviews on this thing, but you're actually the first one I go to for these haha
Honeslty I may just stick with the 3000 series. It's already such over kill, I dont really do too much 4 k gaming, and frankly I'm not ready to pay the price.
I suppose that it depends on usecase. They're all massively overpowered for 1080p gaming, and probably op for 1440p gaming. For 4k though, the 3000 series was more like good enough ig. Still, I think that the high frame rate 4k monitor section of the market is in the absolute minority of gamers.
@@drachna 1440p gaming on the 3090 is perfect. I agree that it doesn't always do well enough in 4k, for me at least. 4090 will make 4k gaming insane, being able to hit monitor refresh rates and such.
I've been waiting years for 4k 144fps. I always knew it would come but weird it's really here now. As regular retail consumer this is a technical milestone.
meanwhile I see no difference to 1440p (unless huge screen really close) or to 70-90fps on most games. Only really if the game lacks any decent anti aliasing, and if it's a fast paced game it benefits from higher fps as well. Heck 40-60fps is enough for most other games for me (non shooters and racers)
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j The difference in FPS games to me is huge. Playing in 1440p on a 32” vs 4k on 55”, the 1440p looks blurry with terrible AA, which makes it hard to hit distant targets. People downplay the 4k upgrade way too much. I regularly switch back and forth between my LG OLED in the living room and my LG 32GP-850 in the office, and it’s not even close.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j it's for the aliens. They have much better eyes and reflexes than humans and once they invade earth they will only spare the gamers with the most overpowered set ups.
@@MechAdv The PPI difference makes no sense with that setup and you are comparing different screen tech, OLED looks better most of the time and it will always also tend to look sharper due to each pixel essentially have it's own brightness.
How do you know it was "designed for 600W" ? It was just designed to handle 450W while not becoming loud. It's a super expensive flagship product after all, those should not have problems like getting loud or overheating.
The card is extremely cool. It's even better if you run it at 70% power target and overclock it. Runs as fast as with 450W, but only needs 300W at max. What a card.
The 50 series will probably be the value winner. It seems like every other generation is a dud on price/perf. Even with how ridiculously powerful the 4090 is relative to the 3090, it still loses to the 3080 on price/perf. The 4080s will lose badly to the 30 series on perf/$, and a lot of gamers will skip Lovelace like they did Turing. Then Hopper will come out and be a monumental shift in perf/$ and everyone will be in love with Jensen again.
Hi Philip, could you try the card in VR? Frametimes in Half Life Alyx, Boneworks or BoneLab would be very interesting - especially with a higher resolution scale of eg 150 or 200 %
It's crazy to see what I would still consider modern games running in 8k and not caring. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just mean to say that I believe my 3080 will serve me for many, many years to come, so it's extra exciting to think that my next card may be a 5090 when the 4090 is already this strong.
So this is the generation 8k gaming becomes a thing. I'm perfectly happy with 1080p still, but that just means now we've reached the point where I don't have to buy anything but the cheapest cards to get high performance. What an exciting time to be a cheap-ass.
Yes. 4090 is the first native 8k gpu (atleast on most games, there are still quite some games that even a 4090 can't handle at 8k) this means that other cheap gpu's will give excellent performance for the first time ever. Budget gpu's are now really at a point where you get insane performance for really, really cheap.
"You've already seen the [other videos]" No, yours are the first I watch as you put in way more care in getting as much interesting results. And for the homour ofc. -From a Steam Deck that boots with "Achieved with Sorce"
I think a large issue with increasingly powerful graphics cards is that games are taking those high-end specs for granted - alot of games nowadays kinda throw optimization and performance out the window and say "just get a better graphics card". Doom Eternal is a great example of a game which used fancy rendering techniques to get great performance and quality instead of leaving everything for the graphics card to chug.
Phillip, I am severely disappointed in you. I believed you were above being pressured by the public to make changes to your art, I guess I thought too highly of you. Your removal of the word "chonker" from this video's title will never be forgotten for the next 10 minutes.
Been looking forward to your look on the 4000 series. Your videos in this area always seem so technical and trustworthy, as opposed to other channels who sometimes just seem to go off of vibes! Looking forward to the 4060 / 4070, which are more in my price range, so i can finally get rid of the old 1050 that i'm currently using
@@vator_rs I hope not :/ graphics cards have been so expensive recently, and its killing my hopes of getting a high-performance card. Maybe AMD will put up some good competition and it will force more of a price-war 🙏🙏🙏
@@originolbunnyman If you can't get one for a good price, do look at the 3060 especially after these come out the prices drop (hopefully) even more than they already have. Unless you want to play 4k native in everything it will handle basically any game I can imagine for the next several years
@@narcolepticmarshmallow9012 Thank you for the advice :) I play at 2k, and aim for my Graphics cards to last me about 6/7 years so I want to make sure its future proof :P
I actually saw all the videos from Linus and GamersNexus laid out in my subscriptions, but I was actually most ecstatic to see that you did two videos. Despite your lack in resources, you make up for it with your entertainment value and british accent.
As someone who uses an LG C1 48inch as their main monitor (4k120hz), getting a 4090 seems like a dream. Looks like that much performance would feel like running 1080p on an RTX 2080 did just a couple years ago, where you max every game no questions asked. It's been kinda interesting/slightly fun actually having to tweak settings to get games to run how I want them to on a 4k 120hz screen with my 2080, but I sure would prefer to go back to having a GPU that feels mildly overkill for my current screen.
I GOT A LIKE FROM THE MR. PHILIP?! I’m a big fan of your work sir and your Odgrub videos are so masterful that I show all of my friends it! The behind the scenes videos were a nice touch too. I really enjoy the content you produce!
Thank you man, I'm currently using a 3080 but upgrading to a 4090 for productivity and vr gaming purposes and i really wanted to see these two compared.
0:12 no, I did not already see other videos for the 4090. Your videos are the best and feel more ankered insthe real world. (Despite this cards price tag)
I really wish they’d release more affordable 40 series cards. Would be great to see this architecture in a card that isn’t above almost everyone’s price point
Still playing on an rx480. I'd quite like to upgrade my PC, but not at today's prices. Here's hoping the rx7600 will come in at £240, slightly faster than a 6600 and with less power demands so I don't have to replace my 500w PSU.
I have an Rx580 that I bought two years ago. I have no intention of upgrading the card until I upgrade my monitors to 1440p ones. There's just no real point, especially since I typically play indy/older games.
@@drachna I actually exclusively play at 4k (on my TV). Most titles I play are old enough to be ok at that res, but there are one or two that make me think an upgrade would be nice (Cities Skylines and Star Wars: The Old Republic among them).
All im thinking about litteraly perfect for vr without having to use weird asw or space warp and being able to play vr mods like resident evil village vr at higher settings
right only reason I'd want anything better than 3070. and considering 4090vs4080 perforance, it cant handle vr good enough for me either. Maybe a rtx 7090 or 8080, with great upscaling and better vr headset than now avaliable
I am impressed by how much graphics have improved. I am happy with my 3070 and don't think I will upgrade any time soon, but it's still really interesting to see the new innovations. I'm honestly not sure where we will go from here.
@@HeloisGevit imagine playing a game with a render engine like cycles or arnold. god damn. that would be insane. these render engines are being used for cinematics for now but with 50xx cards, i will say we will see at least 20 30 frames per second and with 60xx, we will be playing fully ray traced titles. insane.
I've been looking for a while to upgrade my pc now, the 4090 is a great step up from my 1080ti/1600x rig but the power draw is a serious drawback for me, not to mention the price
I upgraded from 1080Ti to 3080, it was a doubling of performance. Now looking to upgrade from 3080 to 4090 for a minimum of another doubling of performance. So if you game at 4K like me, you can look forward to a minimum quadrupling performance in rasterization, and you'll get to use ray tracing for the first time, and it will actually run well, and you'll get to use DLSS for the first time, and with frame generation to boot. That is such an awesome upgrade if you do go for it!
Hey Phil, don't worry about us having seen the LTT review before yours because I still very much appreciated your point of view and the games you tested, unfortunately LTT test games were a weird choice AGAIN, like Far Cry 6.... Has anyone even bought far cry 6? Meanwhile you showed us something cool like Crysis, something useful like Shadow of War (which is free on prime i think?), Control, and Flight Sim, really thankful for your review (not that I will ever be able to afford the 4090, but it's cool to see how it performs). Thanks again!
I just got a 4090 a few weeks ago and Im in love. This is gonna be in my system for quite a while. Had to upgrade to a larger case to fit the damn thing in though.... Its almost the size of a shoebox.
Ironically this is actually my second video about the card after watching my first just before and YT algorithm was kind enough to recommend this channel :v
Even though I get that this card is super expensive and stuff, I'm kind of surprised by the performance. Still sounds good for people who do actual production stuff professionally compared to gaming
I'm on a CX48 OLED display that's 4k@120Hz with HDR etc. Going from 60FPS to 120FPS on RDR2 is a total game changer, literally. That game with a 120hz framerate is one of the most amazing things ever. So I was waiting for 2x performance for sure.
it's crazy to me that 8k gaming is now acutally possible, it was already semi possible on the 3000 series cards (if you consider 20 fps playable) but with DLSS 3.0 soon to release you'll easily be able to pull 60 fps on most games. Now it's up to the monitor companies to release 8k gaming monitors lol.
minimum frames to play a game are 120, really 144fps. We're quite a few gens off doing that at 8k. This cant even do that at 4k without big dips, and certainly wont be able to do it with games over the next 3-8 years. This is actually a 1440p card
No I actually clicked off Gamers nexus to watch your video since the fps numbers themselves don't give me an actual feel for the card. I really enjoy your style of review where you focus more on the actual usability of the card and how it fits your needs. Easy to get blinded by the stats, then realise actually I only play csgo and league with my 3080 already so an extra 1.7 grand isn't worth it for me even though on paper its a massive upgrade.
Hey Philip do you happen to have an available playlist or the names of the songs that are often in the backgrounds of your videos? Thanks!! I know you make music but I couldn't find your youtube staples on your soundcloud. gr8 content as always :)
Awesome video philip, as allways! I was wonderung what cpu and ram you are running in these benchmarks since its sometimes bottlenecked by the cpu even at 4k. Bought the card today with a i712700k + 32gb ddr4 3000mhz ram.
This is fantastic, BUT, my 5700XT, under clock and undervolted, using AMD's Chill 45/70 fps, using Medium High settings @ 2560.1080 (ultrawide) is doing amazingly at the games I play. No need to upgrade anytime soon at my viewpoint.
Everyone talks about how great Cyberpunk is and how the graphics are incledible, but damn, I can't see it. Graphics ore okay, nothing to brag about, and optimization is terrible.
@@eduardosantiago6948 This. It can look really good at times but mostly it's pretty basic. For how functionally basic the game is it blows my mind it runs as bad as it does.
The fact that we already have consumer cards that can do 4k at high framerate is pretty amazing. Cause it feels like yesterday running 4k at 60fps was pretty much impossible.
This is sick to see how much performance we are getting now but honestly i got my 3080 on release for £700. The fact the 4090 is more than double the price makes sense because i see double the frame rate for double the price but who is gona wanna pay that much 🤣
after how much focus was put on DLSS3, that the rasterization performance is still this big of a leap is insane. GN also reported up to 75% increase over the 3090Ti! i dont think many people need it, cause you need an insanely fast CPU to make the most of it, but this is still impressive
@@ruijikisu nah man, 12600 can keep up with the rtx 3080. your system does not bottleneck because of cpu. 12700 is more than enough. 12600 has a %4 bottleneck rating with rtx 3080 which is insignificant. 12600 is *barely* keeping up. but not 12700.
@@pygmalion8952 at 1080p, yes it does. aside from raytraced games, all of them are cpu limited on my pc in 1080p. where the hell are you getting this vague 'bottleneck rating' from
What's so surprising with doubling frame over a one tier low card? The following had double the performance over their last gen one tier low cards: 2080 over 1070 3080 over 2070 4090 over 3080. All standard stuff except the pricing has one up significantly. There are huge UI and Latency issues with DLSS3. It feels laggier. Hardware Unboxed has done a great video on it.
How would you compare the monthly electric bill between these two cards? Not many are covering the new monthly costs of use with the massive wattage usage.
General impressions seem to be it's a good value, but don't buy it because its drivers are too buggy to rely on as a daily graphics card. Maybe within 2 years Intel can get their drivers to be somewhat stable.
3080 to 4090 is what interesting for me. thanks. your fps seems to max around 200 in any games. maybe it is cpu limit as u said. what fps do you get in titles where you're supposed to have 500-700? cs ow etc?
Sorry but I don't like the frame interpolation technology, it still looks too unnatural even with motion vectors and such, let's see in future DLSS versions
The feel of ... "now what" when most devs do high refresh rate 4K, even with RT. I experienced that. But differently. When I upgrade from a GTX 780 to a 5700 XT in 2019, I was nos able to hit 1080p120 (I only have a 1080 monitor) in everything. The first few months I was like ... so that's it? Everything just runs? And it just perfectly? Maxed out? Like I was ok and accustomed to targeting 1080p60. And GTX 780 wouldn't even hit that 100% of the time (and that's normal of course).
I was actually surprised it's taken Nvidia this long to implement frame interpolation. TVs already do it and, while it's often not great, when you have games that can manage 40-60+ FPS, I figured that trying to get 120-240+ out of it would be great. And obviously like you mentioned, it does incur a latency penalty that feels like mouse smoothing, but I feel like in games like FS2020 this matters very little if at all. So there's certainly a lot of games that could see huge benefits to having frame interpolation. I already have it through Oculus with Asynchronous Space Warp, where it will lock to 45 FPS and interpolate to 90. It is not amazing, but frankly, they did a great job with latency and in most slower scenarios, it drastically improves the user experience since it does feel smoother overall, even if there are artifacts sometimes.
I haven't had time to research it but is this really framebuffer interpolation, like optical flow esque interpolation? One would think that will all of the information the GPU has available of each rendered frame, interpolating frames only using the visual result would be the worst possible way of doing it, both in terms of speed and accuracy. It also doesn't look nearly as bad as optical flow interpolation, and seems to be way faster (although maybe this is just the 4090 being a powerhouse), so my money is on it being more than a framebuffer based implementation.
With the size of these things its starting to feel like installing a PC into your PC.
huh, ive seen that comment before
Luke from Linus Tech Tips said the same thing
By power consumption you are actuaööy installing this PC into your pc :P
I actually have three different fully featured x86 PCs that are smaller than it.
@@no1DdC I could fit all my 4 Compute sticks inside this and then some 200 more :D
Jesus, i didn’t realize how ridiculously big this card actually is. It’s a literal brick!
I think it is bigger than a brick, but not bigger than a concrete block..
@@rkan2 I think they're saving that for the 5000 series
You would think they'd end up getting SMALLER over time like telephones
@@kingding9542 Thats not how it works. Also its the same size as the 3090 FE.
bricks are definitely smaller
As someone who stopped following GPU market after GTX 780 ti and R9 290x those numbers are...impressive.
Bro right im over here with my gtx980 feeling like a fallen king
@@nixon8990 "I used to rule the world"
@@nixon8990 bruh you're still outperforming my, wierdly, no-longer-dying rx480 xD
@@LucasFerreira-gx9yh 780ti < 1060 3gb
the only thing that worries me is what comes next after the RTX 4000 cards, how tf are people going to fit RTX 5000 cards into their case? These cards already barely fit most cases, and I haven't even mentioned their power outpit. The laws of the universe mean these big coolers aren't going away anytime soon lol. You're gonna need a 1500W PSU to run a RTX 5090 lol and I feel aircooled GPU's will die by this point since water cooled cards are much smaller in size and more efficient at cooling.
you said that whoever is watching has probably already seen Linus' and GamersNexus' reviews on this thing, but you're actually the first one I go to for these haha
Yea, I'm with you lol.
Actually, I think most of us are haha
+1
Kind of crazy how I looked at the 3000 series as insanely overkill already, then here comes the 4090 that doubles the framerate...
Honeslty I may just stick with the 3000 series. It's already such over kill, I dont really do too much 4 k gaming, and frankly I'm not ready to pay the price.
Triple the price triple the size
I suppose that it depends on usecase. They're all massively overpowered for 1080p gaming, and probably op for 1440p gaming. For 4k though, the 3000 series was more like good enough ig. Still, I think that the high frame rate 4k monitor section of the market is in the absolute minority of gamers.
@@drachna Yeah I dream of 4k gaming.. still only have a gtx1650 in my laptop, enough for 140fps on csgo lowest settings haha
@@drachna 1440p gaming on the 3090 is perfect. I agree that it doesn't always do well enough in 4k, for me at least. 4090 will make 4k gaming insane, being able to hit monitor refresh rates and such.
Having not seen any other 4090 videos and having a 3080 myself, this was really informative! You knocked it out of the park again!
I've been waiting years for 4k 144fps. I always knew it would come but weird it's really here now. As regular retail consumer this is a technical milestone.
meanwhile I see no difference to 1440p (unless huge screen really close) or to 70-90fps on most games.
Only really if the game lacks any decent anti aliasing, and if it's a fast paced game it benefits from higher fps as well. Heck 40-60fps is enough for most other games for me (non shooters and racers)
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j 4k is there but not big get a 5k
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j The difference in FPS games to me is huge. Playing in 1440p on a 32” vs 4k on 55”, the 1440p looks blurry with terrible AA, which makes it hard to hit distant targets. People downplay the 4k upgrade way too much. I regularly switch back and forth between my LG OLED in the living room and my LG 32GP-850 in the office, and it’s not even close.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j it's for the aliens. They have much better eyes and reflexes than humans and once they invade earth they will only spare the gamers with the most overpowered set ups.
@@MechAdv The PPI difference makes no sense with that setup and you are comparing different screen tech, OLED looks better most of the time and it will always also tend to look sharper due to each pixel essentially have it's own brightness.
Truly a graphics of all time
Because it was designed initially to handle 600W power limit, the card is really cool/quiet with 450W limit.
How do you know it was "designed for 600W" ?
It was just designed to handle 450W while not becoming loud.
It's a super expensive flagship product after all, those should not have problems like getting loud or overheating.
The card is extremely cool. It's even better if you run it at 70% power target and overclock it. Runs as fast as with 450W, but only needs 300W at max. What a card.
I just got a 3080 and I will be rocking it for 5+ years just like I did the 1080 I have had since 2017. I'll wait for the 6080 series lmao
The 50 series will probably be the value winner. It seems like every other generation is a dud on price/perf. Even with how ridiculously powerful the 4090 is relative to the 3090, it still loses to the 3080 on price/perf. The 4080s will lose badly to the 30 series on perf/$, and a lot of gamers will skip Lovelace like they did Turing. Then Hopper will come out and be a monumental shift in perf/$ and everyone will be in love with Jensen again.
I just got one myself for $400, how much did you pay for yours?
Hi Philip, could you try the card in VR? Frametimes in Half Life Alyx, Boneworks or BoneLab would be very interesting - especially with a higher resolution scale of eg 150 or 200 %
Please do that
Yes, please! I can't find any reviews on vr performance.
Yes please this! Listen to this man Philip
I'd really want to see MSFS2020 VR with the 4090. is DLSS3 even supported in VR?
We need vr benchmarks vs the 3080
It's crazy to see what I would still consider modern games running in 8k and not caring. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just mean to say that I believe my 3080 will serve me for many, many years to come, so it's extra exciting to think that my next card may be a 5090 when the 4090 is already this strong.
2090, 4090, 6090, 8090, 10090(???)...that's the "game"!!! ;)
Only hardware reviews I'll watch. Thanks philip
So this is the generation 8k gaming becomes a thing. I'm perfectly happy with 1080p still, but that just means now we've reached the point where I don't have to buy anything but the cheapest cards to get high performance. What an exciting time to be a cheap-ass.
Yes. 4090 is the first native 8k gpu (atleast on most games, there are still quite some games that even a 4090 can't handle at 8k) this means that other cheap gpu's will give excellent performance for the first time ever. Budget gpu's are now really at a point where you get insane performance for really, really cheap.
Man put the most important information at the very start of the video. Major props for that, subscribed.
"You've already seen the [other videos]"
No, yours are the first I watch as you put in way more care in getting as much interesting results.
And for the homour ofc.
-From a Steam Deck that boots with "Achieved with Sorce"
I think a large issue with increasingly powerful graphics cards is that games are taking those high-end specs for granted - alot of games nowadays kinda throw optimization and performance out the window and say "just get a better graphics card". Doom Eternal is a great example of a game which used fancy rendering techniques to get great performance and quality instead of leaving everything for the graphics card to chug.
Phillip, I am severely disappointed in you. I believed you were above being pressured by the public to make changes to your art, I guess I thought too highly of you. Your removal of the word "chonker" from this video's title will never be forgotten for the next 10 minutes.
The amount of trust this man has in his cat around those GPUs is incredible
I mean. What harm can a cat do to a GPU that lies on the table? (exept pushing it down, pee and puke on it) ^^
@@Epd3mik get cat hair inside which will then burn while you're playing
@@Epd3mik Static-frying.
@@styleee1337 And what harm can cat hair that's burning do to your gpu? Nothing to worry about bro.
Been looking forward to your look on the 4000 series. Your videos in this area always seem so technical and trustworthy, as opposed to other channels who sometimes just seem to go off of vibes!
Looking forward to the 4060 / 4070, which are more in my price range, so i can finally get rid of the old 1050 that i'm currently using
seeing how expensive 4080s are, I fear 4060 will be close to $500, far from what 60 series used to be.
@@vator_rs that sounds like pennies for what it will probably offer
@@vator_rs I hope not :/ graphics cards have been so expensive recently, and its killing my hopes of getting a high-performance card.
Maybe AMD will put up some good competition and it will force more of a price-war 🙏🙏🙏
@@originolbunnyman If you can't get one for a good price, do look at the 3060 especially after these come out the prices drop (hopefully) even more than they already have. Unless you want to play 4k native in everything it will handle basically any game I can imagine for the next several years
@@narcolepticmarshmallow9012 Thank you for the advice :) I play at 2k, and aim for my Graphics cards to last me about 6/7 years so I want to make sure its future proof :P
I actually saw all the videos from Linus and GamersNexus laid out in my subscriptions, but I was actually most ecstatic to see that you did two videos. Despite your lack in resources, you make up for it with your entertainment value and british accent.
As someone who uses an LG C1 48inch as their main monitor (4k120hz), getting a 4090 seems like a dream. Looks like that much performance would feel like running 1080p on an RTX 2080 did just a couple years ago, where you max every game no questions asked. It's been kinda interesting/slightly fun actually having to tweak settings to get games to run how I want them to on a 4k 120hz screen with my 2080, but I sure would prefer to go back to having a GPU that feels mildly overkill for my current screen.
This was JUST the comparison I was looking for :D
What an excellent review and comparison. Great job!
Would be nice to have VR tests also
I actually haven't seen the content creators you've mentioned's videos. I trust your word and your content is what I'm interested in
Will you test the 4090 on that unreal engine 5 matrix demo? I'd like to see how well it runs on that.
Watching your vid before the other reviews! Nice cat btw
Ideal vid for me as I have a 3080
Considering upgrading big thanks
Hearing the sound kit you made in CS in this video was surreal. I thought I left my game on or something
I GOT A LIKE FROM THE MR. PHILIP?! I’m a big fan of your work sir and your Odgrub videos are so masterful that I show all of my friends it! The behind the scenes videos were a nice touch too. I really enjoy the content you produce!
0:13 actually I came straight here because I was surprised to see you got sent one and thougth it would be an interesting take.
Thank you man, I'm currently using a 3080 but upgrading to a 4090 for productivity and vr gaming purposes and i really wanted to see these two compared.
0:12 no, I did not already see other videos for the 4090. Your videos are the best and feel more ankered insthe real world. (Despite this cards price tag)
Same
Now THIS is the type of video we wanted on the 4090.
Nice vid Phil, glad to see a good sponsorship like this :)
As someone a few years behind, this has honestly done a great job of advertising the 3080 to me.
I really wish they’d release more affordable 40 series cards. Would be great to see this architecture in a card that isn’t above almost everyone’s price point
Expensive cards always come first. Next ones we'll be seeing could be 4070 and 4060 ti which will be sitting more around 400-500€ MSRP
They've been available for like a day dude lmao. Give em like 6 months and youll have your 4060.
@@djentrification1631 this is so true they hype up a $3k card then the next one comes out like a month later!
Ah the perfect review I wanted to see!
Still playing on an rx480. I'd quite like to upgrade my PC, but not at today's prices. Here's hoping the rx7600 will come in at £240, slightly faster than a 6600 and with less power demands so I don't have to replace my 500w PSU.
I have an Rx580 that I bought two years ago. I have no intention of upgrading the card until I upgrade my monitors to 1440p ones. There's just no real point, especially since I typically play indy/older games.
@@drachna I actually exclusively play at 4k (on my TV). Most titles I play are old enough to be ok at that res, but there are one or two that make me think an upgrade would be nice (Cities Skylines and Star Wars: The Old Republic among them).
Or you can check used. 3070ti or 6700xt is like $300
6600 like half power 480 though, 7700 would be a good upgrade
@@maou5025 closer to $450-500 for the 3070ti, but yeah, now is a good time to buy
Actually, your video is the first that im watching, cause you just got more vibes
I'm on a 3080 looking to upgrade for vr stuff. Thanks for the 4090 vid
I'd love to see some VR benchmarks using the 4090
All im thinking about litteraly perfect for vr without having to use weird asw or space warp and being able to play vr mods like resident evil village vr at higher settings
right
only reason I'd want anything better than 3070.
and considering 4090vs4080 perforance, it cant handle vr good enough for me either.
Maybe a rtx 7090 or 8080, with great upscaling and better vr headset than now avaliable
vr games are all super easy to run. most games were made either in 2017 or now for the quest
@@bigturkey1*half life alyx has entered the chat*
@@Robstrap i beat half life alyx with a 1080ti and vive pro
0:20 dunno if it's just me but actually your video is the first review I am watching on the 4090
TIL I need to get a damn 4090. I love how overkill that is. We need MORE.
I am impressed by how much graphics have improved. I am happy with my 3070 and don't think I will upgrade any time soon, but it's still really interesting to see the new innovations. I'm honestly not sure where we will go from here.
Full path traced AAA games of course. That's the end goal for graphics, it allows for movie grade photorealism.
@@HeloisGevit imagine playing a game with a render engine like cycles or arnold. god damn. that would be insane. these render engines are being used for cinematics for now but with 50xx cards, i will say we will see at least 20 30 frames per second and with 60xx, we will be playing fully ray traced titles. insane.
@@pygmalion8952 Exciting times ahead for sure! Can't wait to play games that look as good as Disney Animations.
I've been looking for a while to upgrade my pc now, the 4090 is a great step up from my 1080ti/1600x rig but the power draw is a serious drawback for me, not to mention the price
I upgraded from 1080Ti to 3080, it was a doubling of performance. Now looking to upgrade from 3080 to 4090 for a minimum of another doubling of performance. So if you game at 4K like me, you can look forward to a minimum quadrupling performance in rasterization, and you'll get to use ray tracing for the first time, and it will actually run well, and you'll get to use DLSS for the first time, and with frame generation to boot. That is such an awesome upgrade if you do go for it!
Your b-roll shots should become industry standard! Top tier.
I seen your video before linus, thanks for content !
I actually watch this video first because I see you being far more entertaining to watch and I'll get to the other channels if I want more details
The 4090 is truly what I have been waiting for. Now I just need to wait for it to come down in price. Its the perfect match for my LG OLED TV.
so you'll wait until RTX 5000 I guess
@@GewelReal wait he's waiting for the 5000 series, might as well wait for the 6000 series too
"Me! Because I have no choice...". I spit water out my mouth 🤣
Actually, Philip, yours was the first video about the 4000 series I've watched.
Laughed so much at the "you've seen the LTT video"
Great job Philip. Really cute cat as well!
Hey Phil, don't worry about us having seen the LTT review before yours because I still very much appreciated your point of view and the games you tested, unfortunately LTT test games were a weird choice AGAIN, like Far Cry 6.... Has anyone even bought far cry 6? Meanwhile you showed us something cool like Crysis, something useful like Shadow of War (which is free on prime i think?), Control, and Flight Sim, really thankful for your review (not that I will ever be able to afford the 4090, but it's cool to see how it performs). Thanks again!
excellent review. Well done
I just got a 4090 a few weeks ago and Im in love. This is gonna be in my system for quite a while. Had to upgrade to a larger case to fit the damn thing in though.... Its almost the size of a shoebox.
Ironically this is actually my second video about the card after watching my first just before and YT algorithm was kind enough to recommend this channel :v
Even though I get that this card is super expensive and stuff, I'm kind of surprised by the performance. Still sounds good for people who do actual production stuff professionally compared to gaming
I'm on a CX48 OLED display that's 4k@120Hz with HDR etc.
Going from 60FPS to 120FPS on RDR2 is a total game changer, literally. That game with a 120hz framerate is one of the most amazing things ever. So I was waiting for 2x performance for sure.
Everyone else: Fancy DLSS stats on a 4090
Me: Oh god Phillip, no, don't eat those gummy bears again!
it's crazy to me that 8k gaming is now acutally possible, it was already semi possible on the 3000 series cards (if you consider 20 fps playable) but with DLSS 3.0 soon to release you'll easily be able to pull 60 fps on most games. Now it's up to the monitor companies to release 8k gaming monitors lol.
minimum frames to play a game are 120, really 144fps. We're quite a few gens off doing that at 8k. This cant even do that at 4k without big dips, and certainly wont be able to do it with games over the next 3-8 years. This is actually a 1440p card
8k monitors are virtually useless.
@@TheTyphoon365 you’re fucking high, minimum fps isn’t 120 unless you’re playing a first person shooter or racing game…
I didn't even know about the card, so you're the first video i watch)))
No I actually clicked off Gamers nexus to watch your video since the fps numbers themselves don't give me an actual feel for the card. I really enjoy your style of review where you focus more on the actual usability of the card and how it fits your needs. Easy to get blinded by the stats, then realise actually I only play csgo and league with my 3080 already so an extra 1.7 grand isn't worth it for me even though on paper its a massive upgrade.
Hey Philip do you happen to have an available playlist or the names of the songs that are often in the backgrounds of your videos? Thanks!! I know you make music but I couldn't find your youtube staples on your soundcloud. gr8 content as always :)
Awesome video philip, as allways! I was wonderung what cpu and ram you are running in these benchmarks since its sometimes bottlenecked by the cpu even at 4k. Bought the card today with a i712700k + 32gb ddr4 3000mhz ram.
What CPU and board were you using? I’m curious to see if PCIE 3.0 is going to limit it.
This is fantastic, BUT, my 5700XT, under clock and undervolted, using AMD's Chill 45/70 fps, using Medium High settings @ 2560.1080 (ultrawide) is doing amazingly at the games I play. No need to upgrade anytime soon at my viewpoint.
Just got the 4090 and I feel like Thanos after getting the soul stone. It’s suspiciously perfect at everything, even noise and temps 😭
I did see GN's video, but not LTT's yet. Yours is shorter, so you're first :D. You'll also add something funny to the review, so it's more fun.
Time for even more terribly-optimised games
Yea they do that on purpose so people think their card is being pushed
Everyone talks about how great Cyberpunk is and how the graphics are incledible, but damn, I can't see it. Graphics ore okay, nothing to brag about, and optimization is terrible.
@@eduardosantiago6948 This. It can look really good at times but mostly it's pretty basic. For how functionally basic the game is it blows my mind it runs as bad as it does.
@@zombieguy elden ring funnily has technically more outdated graphics but looks 10 times better.
@0:12 I actually haven't - you're bringing the god news
Ty for making this video. I'm upgrading from an Athlon 3000g and desperately need to know this.
The Antlion 3kg should hold you down another 3-4 years at least
@@olic22 No?
Love the video but at 8:40 you write Flight Simulator 2022 instead of 2020. Valve please fix. ;) Sorry. Had to say the thing.
What do you think about Der8auer being able to cut the power limit by 30% and only losing 5% in Time Spy Extreme?
Funny, Yours was the FIRST video I watched.
The fact that we already have consumer cards that can do 4k at high framerate is pretty amazing. Cause it feels like yesterday running 4k at 60fps was pretty much impossible.
S/O to my 1080ti, soon I'll upgrade to the 4080ti when it arrives
Its nice to see the cat has forgiven you for going at it looking like a Floridian bath salt addict in the last video.
This is sick to see how much performance we are getting now but honestly i got my 3080 on release for £700. The fact the 4090 is more than double the price makes sense because i see double the frame rate for double the price but who is gona wanna pay that much 🤣
The question right now should be, - why still buy a new gpu if the current games that get released are still shit?
after how much focus was put on DLSS3, that the rasterization performance is still this big of a leap is insane. GN also reported up to 75% increase over the 3090Ti!
i dont think many people need it, cause you need an insanely fast CPU to make the most of it, but this is still impressive
if you get smooth gameplay at 4k you will increase the reso even more, yes 4k will look bad
@@saricubra2867 i know that first hand, im on a 3080 and 12700k. but thats why DLSS3 is so interesting to me
@@saricubra2867 according to input tests its still better than native due to nvidia reflex being forced on with DLSS3
@@ruijikisu nah man, 12600 can keep up with the rtx 3080. your system does not bottleneck because of cpu. 12700 is more than enough. 12600 has a %4 bottleneck rating with rtx 3080 which is insignificant. 12600 is *barely* keeping up. but not 12700.
@@pygmalion8952 at 1080p, yes it does.
aside from raytraced games, all of them are cpu limited on my pc in 1080p.
where the hell are you getting this vague 'bottleneck rating' from
Cool to see you bought one friend ❤️💪
What's so surprising with doubling frame over a one tier low card?
The following had double the performance over their last gen one tier low cards:
2080 over 1070
3080 over 2070
4090 over 3080.
All standard stuff except the pricing has one up significantly.
There are huge UI and Latency issues with DLSS3. It feels laggier.
Hardware Unboxed has done a great video on it.
Well, thats my jump if/when I make it. So thanks for the video!!!
How would you compare the monthly electric bill between these two cards? Not many are covering the new monthly costs of use with the massive wattage usage.
If u can afford a 4090 u can afford the difference in the power bill.
I'd be very interested in your opinions on the Intel A770 (since it looks kinda affordable).
General impressions seem to be it's a good value, but don't buy it because its drivers are too buggy to rely on as a daily graphics card. Maybe within 2 years Intel can get their drivers to be somewhat stable.
Damnit, i would have adored a 6 second review of the 4090 Benchmark.
3080 to 4090 is what interesting for me. thanks.
your fps seems to max around 200 in any games. maybe it is cpu limit as u said.
what fps do you get in titles where you're supposed to have 500-700? cs ow etc?
4K? 8K? Raytracing? I still remember your raytracing explanation video, we really are in the future
Who else was waiting for the cat to be a cat and push the 4090 off the table?
Sorry but I don't like the frame interpolation technology, it still looks too unnatural even with motion vectors and such, let's see in future DLSS versions
This is actually only the second video on the Geforce 4090 I've watched, with the first being your size video.
The Graphics Brick video almost seamlessly transitions into this one. Took me a second to realise it switched over in the playlist.
I actually searched for a 3080/4090 comparison on RUclips and got to this video this way :D
The feel of ... "now what" when most devs do high refresh rate 4K, even with RT. I experienced that. But differently.
When I upgrade from a GTX 780 to a 5700 XT in 2019, I was nos able to hit 1080p120 (I only have a 1080 monitor) in everything.
The first few months I was like ... so that's it? Everything just runs? And it just perfectly? Maxed out? Like I was ok and accustomed to targeting 1080p60. And GTX 780 wouldn't even hit that 100% of the time (and that's normal of course).
Philip's hardware reviews are just more practical and better. xD
Well he has a team its not just him obviously his stuff will be professional
You have something those fancy tech channels don't: Digadig playing in your videos.
I was actually surprised it's taken Nvidia this long to implement frame interpolation. TVs already do it and, while it's often not great, when you have games that can manage 40-60+ FPS, I figured that trying to get 120-240+ out of it would be great. And obviously like you mentioned, it does incur a latency penalty that feels like mouse smoothing, but I feel like in games like FS2020 this matters very little if at all. So there's certainly a lot of games that could see huge benefits to having frame interpolation.
I already have it through Oculus with Asynchronous Space Warp, where it will lock to 45 FPS and interpolate to 90. It is not amazing, but frankly, they did a great job with latency and in most slower scenarios, it drastically improves the user experience since it does feel smoother overall, even if there are artifacts sometimes.
I haven't had time to research it but is this really framebuffer interpolation, like optical flow esque interpolation? One would think that will all of the information the GPU has available of each rendered frame, interpolating frames only using the visual result would be the worst possible way of doing it, both in terms of speed and accuracy. It also doesn't look nearly as bad as optical flow interpolation, and seems to be way faster (although maybe this is just the 4090 being a powerhouse), so my money is on it being more than a framebuffer based implementation.
>you've already seen linus... gamers nexus... others...
No I haven't.
It doesn't matter that LinustTechTips released his review. Yours are just minimal and straight to the data that is what really matters.
0:40 am glad you did, me who upgrading from 3080 to the 4090 to see if it is worth it, so far Yes, Yes it is