You should ship these guns to some hunter safety instructors to use in their classes after you finished taping. Great examples to have shown in the classroom.
Thank you for watching! I would start of using a 295 copper PowerBelt Bullet, 100 grains of White Hot Pellets (2 Pellets), and a winchester 209 primer.
Thank you so much sir for your recommendation. I'm online buying my first 50 cal muzzleloader. I've used guns my whole life but I'm ignorant when it comes to muzzleloader. I've been doing my research and this was so important. You could have saved my life with this video sir !
You guys have the best RUclips videos than any other company. You care about your customers and put in the work to show it. Cant wait to get into black powder soon.
Cheers, sir. I've been part of an ACW living history organization for several years, and we use period-specific firearms. This video is exactly how we train new members on the proper use of their muskets.
Thank you Sir for making this video. I think an educated hunter is not only a successful hunter but a happy one as well. Getting back to my family after a hunt is a priority for everyone in my family. Many accidents can be avoided by just educating yourself with good and accurate information.
A truly sobering demonstration of what firearm misuse can do. All firearms owners and users owe it to themselves and others to be well educated, well disciplined and well behaved at all times. Many thanks CVA for this lesson.
You can use smokeless powder in a muzzleloader I took apart a 12 gauge slug apart poured the approximate amount I would say 25 grains in and a 250 grain power belt shot just fine even different types of smokeless have way different burn rates even a 45 70 only uses 70 grains
Thank you to everyone who contributed to the making of this video. See these things demonstrated on modern, trusted muzzle loaders was invaluable. It almost makes me afraid of my MZ, but in a healthy way. Again, Thank you!
120 grains of any smokeless powder is a gigantic load. But you are correct that any weight of smokeless powder is going generate excessive pressures. But this is something that all arms makers and especially powder and reloading equipment makers should produce. I see it all the time a novice automatically selects the maximum loadings in the manual and doesnt even know how to recognize excess pressure signs it the brass or even the weapon. GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO... LIFESAVER
This is a wakeup call to "that guy" who thinks he's getting a "better" load by either using smokeless powder willfully, or the clueless shooter who gets bad advice. Great video. Hated to see the guns ruined but there are people who need to see this!!
I have been using MLs for 20 years and have always "known" not to use smokeless, and unlike some of my... contemporaries, ;) never thought to chalenge this. But it was not until now that I actualy saw it done. Mainly cuz no one I know can afford to blow up their weapon. :) Thanks. I am puting this in my playlist.
I want to thank you guys for this video. I'm going to buy my first muzzleloader on this upcoming Saturday. its nice to have the knowledge for myself when I go to the store and get it. never trust an employee at a fleet farm or walmart.
I use 3f exclusively in my Traditional rifles. It is the same powder, just finer grained. It works out to about 10% less than 2F. 70grains of 3 = about 80 grains of 2F. When using Pyrodex, I use Pyrodex P. Which is comparable to 3F.I wish he had tried a load of, say...70Grains of smokeless powder.Not that it would be safe, but I bet the gun would have held together.
I appreciate the way you have stressed on safety in this video. Good job. I work with fireworks, and I have witnessed many foolish things myself. It is my hope that videos such as this will be viewed by more people in order to educate them about gun safety procedures. Thank you.
Very good and informative video. I shoot double barrel shotgun muzzleloaders, and I always use my ram rod and double check the second barrel after I fire my first barrel to make sure my ball, or buckshot didn't come loose and travel up the barrel. Good video, thank you.
As a long time shooter but someone that is about to get his first muzzle loader this was a fantastic video. Hearing about what can happen and seeing what can happen are two different things. This was extremely enlightening. Thanks to CVA for putting this information out there for all to see. CVA is going to be my first muzzleloader. Thanks again and stay safe. God bless.
@@notsosilentmajority1 I shoot mine even though my county doesn’t have a muzzleloader requirement for the muzzleloader season anymore. I agree it is fun, gotta really make the shots count.
@@308dad8 Yes sir, it slows everything down and every shot is more enjoyable. It's also more fun to have some target competitions with friends using muzzleloaders. I know that some of the new styled muzzle loaders are as accurate as most modern rifles but the old style muzzle loaders aren't quite as consistently accurate (at least for me), so the matches are a lot of fun. Good luck.
Thank you so much ! This is very responsible of you and appreciated... I think this video should be mandatory watching for a hunting license... I showed to my son , and friends ... my most best regards and thanks again ... Chris
Thank you Connecticut Valley Arms. For this video and all that you have done for us black powder shooters over the years. Love the smell of burnt sulfur in the morning. Safe and happy shooting to all here.
Being a former skydiver I truly understand the part about packing your own main, though he didn't specify which, parachute and only an FAA certified rigger should repack your reserve, period. This was a great video as I already knew not to ever use smokeless powder in a muzzleloader and seeing the actual result of modern powder and barrel obstructions was fascinating as an object lesson. This should be viewed by everyone firing any kind of black powder weapon.
great video!! thanks for taking the time (and money) to make this video. maybe put a link to another one of your videos on how to properly load a muzzleloader? thanks again!
This has to be one of the very best videos that I have seen, showing the dangers of improper loading. I have been shooting black powder guns for over fifty years, and this is without a doubt the best instructional ( safety ) video that I have seen. A most sincere thank you. I will pass this video on to my shooting buddies. Again thank you!
Good video, a topic usually not covered enough. Super slow motion may have caught the flying shrapnel that is equally dangerous but hard to see in the films provided. To protect my muzzle from mud/snow I use barrel cots. I think that is safer than using various versions of tape some people on forums have mentioned. They like to say they used tape over the muzzle hundreds of times. They may be lucky to date.
What did you think was going to happen with 120gr HS6? HS6 is used for pistol, and heavy 12 guage loads. I use 36grs with 1oz slugs in my 12ga. Don't get me wrong it was a great vid, and made your point very successfully. BAM! Love see stuff blow up. Just not in my hands. lol
EXCELLENT video... and THANKS for doing this... it certainly takes out all mystery of what happens and why - or as John Wayne said in a movie 'Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid'... Drives the point home... ALWAYS ERROR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION... NEVER ASSUME... All the VERY BEST!
thank you, i know it sounds stupid but i was out of black powder and was thinking about using smokeless powder. thanks to your video you may have saved my life. thank you very much
Never ever substitute smokeless propellant for black powder. Way back in the late 1900's I witnessed a Remington 700 center-fire hydrostatic lock. The stock ruptured and hot burning gasses and particulates damaged the shooters face. The immense chamber pressure was approximately 50,000 psi; a properly loaded cartridge was fired. The bolt held the pressure nicely but became mechanically locked due to bolt face expansion. I watched the entire event closely. It all started at a prairie dog shootout located in west Kansas. Two competitors were neck and neck for the top dawg title. One shooter had to take his cleaning time out, I think at 20 rounds, he was 60 for 60, when he called out cleaning. I watched him effortlessly draw his bolt, slide in a bore guide, and reach for a solvent jar. I was right there and smelled the wonderful scent of Black Powder Cleaning Gel. He had packed inside the jar Bore Mops. Boy I'll tell you, the sun was setting, and that shooter swung his Dewey Nylon Coated One Piece, mop after mop straight down that bore, sizzling And smoking like a freight train. It was scenic and artful as he confidently did a dance from breech to muzzle, swapping to brushes he pulled out of a jar of Copper Solvent. I thought he new his stuff, using the best damn lead and powder solvent first then Removing the copper fouling from his Stainless Steel Barrel which the Ammonia in Copper Solvent will ruin blued steel, then finally running a dry patch. I saw that the bore was shining bright as the sun sat down on that horizon. He quickly slipped into his bench position dropping a cartridge in and sliding the bolt forward as his spotter ( the other shooters partner) called out 250 2.5 Clicks, chocolate on vanilla upright facing away. The shooter called back to the spotter, " On Target, requesting backflipped bonus". Spotter, " Affirmative". I was watching just under the stadia as the shooter was thrust backward off his throne and into the dirt. Dr. KT came over and helped him. Later that evening at a restaurant in Lamar I found out that he should've dried the bore after removing the bore guide.
All these videos about the dangers of loading smokeless in a muzzleloader show is that it is possible to blow up a muzzleloadder by overloading it with smokeless. The demo load they use is 120 grains of Hodgdon HS-6. Well, DUH! I don't know of any firearm that can take a 120 grain load of HS-6. I looked up some loading tables for HS-6. The two loads I found for a .44 Remington Magnum cartridge were 13 grains and 11.8 grains behind a 250 grain bullet. The recommended load for a 45-70 is 15 grains of HS-6 behind a 300 grain bullet.
@@Tedthegreatwhitehunter 75 grains of modern powder, especially pistol or shotgun is still ridiculously overpowered. My Traditions side lock safely fires up to 100 grains of black powder or equivalent. However said charge will never reach the pressures that 75 grains of modern [pistol powder will reach.
Pero claro 120 granos de pólvora sin humo, es una carga gigantesca, cuando cartuchos de caza llevan entre 24/38 granos... Es lógico que explote los cañones.
+ifell3 Boi do you think they really didn’t have military muzzleloading carbines? And most modern muzzleloader could be considered carbines compared to big old musket length rifles or really long Kentuckys.
I'm thinking of using as little as possible smokeless so that it won't make guns explode, yet it still has enough force to push the bullet out (or just cut the barrel short for it to work). In anyway can this work? I saw people played with blackpowder loaded 7.62x54R on a Mosin, so now I just wonder if we can do the opposite...
Do you have a video that shows results of not seating the ball prior to shooting? I mark a ring around my ramrod at the muzzle when the gun is loaded. Then I can look at the ramrod when it is inserted into the bore. If the ring is even with the muzzle it is loaded. If the ring goes out of sight into the bore, then the gun is not loaded. It helps.
I'm curious if it safe to use shotshell - reddot powder in a muzzleloader? the muzzleloader barrel is much thicker than a shotgun barrel. thanks for your input.
Holy Moly Thank you Im glad I never tried it. Its not beyond the realm of possibility that someone new to the sport would go ahead and make this mistake. Great Vid should be a must see for hunter safety courses. Do you think this same thing would happen with an old school muzzleloader? The barrels are alot thicker
The depth of a loaded gun may vary depending on the charge or projectile but the depth of an un-loaded gun does not vary. Make the mark on the ramrod while the gun is un-loaded.
JohnLeePedimore Why? What's the point in checking the depth of an unloaded gun unless you forgot if you loaded if already? Don't we check the depth of loaded guns to be sure that the load is properly seated and not overfilled? Just wondering. I'm new at this.
Very good video and very old. I really hope for an answer to my question but really don't expect one. You almost answered it in the video. Pyrodex ''P'' in a .50. Is it really dangerous in a reasonable amount? Is the finer granulation really going to produce dangerous pressure? Say in a modern muzzleloader that is Magnum rated for 150 grain charges. Would a reduced load, say 90 grains of FFF or Pyrodex ''P'' really be dangerous to shoot?
I have the CVA Hunter bolt magnum with two barrels one 45 cal and a 50 caliber barrel. I love it it shoots perfect to. I wish you still made the Hunter Bolt mag.
I've been using the same CVA Hawkins rifle for 30 years now. I have always heard about such things but this is the first time I have seen it. Now and can show new folks WHY we do what we do in the WAY we do it. One mistake could cost a arm of life.
Does CVA still cut the barrel to make the lock fit? In my opinion just made the breech very weak. I made muzzle loading gun barrels with my grandfather William large. He said that was a very dangerous practice I have to agree. Hopefully this been changed.
here is my problem i cant use smokeless powder but thats all i can find. what type of powder is shot gun shells i took a few apart for there powder but i want to make sure its safe to use there powder first.
I would like to take the time to say THANK YOU for this video ! I've never seen barrel failures before, and this was Yes very informative and even Scary to say the least ! I just bought a Traditions Hawkin .50 caliber rifle and want to have good experiences shooting it ! So, needless to say I will always keep this instructional video in the front of my thoughts when shooting it ! Again . . . . THANK YOU ! ! !
I purchased a refurbished CVA Optima stainless/thumbhole at my local sporting goods store. I've had it for a year now and haven't shot it yet. I bought it to go deer hunting. I intend to shoot it this summer, and am new to muzzleloaders. Muzzleloading does seem somewhat complicated and possibly dangerous. Can anyone recommend a good propellant/powder and bullets- sabots or powerbelts? Thanks for the video. Very informative.
I would like to have a cva woodsman 54 cal. and a cva silver eagle 50.cal Had these before and would like to have them again does cva carry these, i like the side lock with the hammer not the inline
I shoot black powder pistol. The old cap and ball revolver. The same rules apply. It's unreal how accurate even these firearms are, when loaded properly. A 25,30 or even 50 -60gr charge in the big boys are very dangerous. I've never dreamed of putting modern powder in a cylinder. I reload and the difference in power is incredible.
hey i have a buckhorn mag i have used it for the last 4 years i use 100grs of black powder and a 230 gr sure fire sabot i was wanting to know where to get a new recever butt plate because the place for the hex screw stripped and i was using the allen wrench suplied for it in the box i tried to get one from all my gun stores but no one has them i called suport and they said they had a six month back order on them so how can i get a new one i am currently using plyers i love my rifle though
Wow great video you prepared this very well to see this demonstration of guns blowing up sends chills down my spine and a clear message never pull the trigger if in doubt we'll done
Is it possible that a properly seated bullet will cause a barrel blow out? (example: A forcefully loaded bullet (likely a larger caliber) being to tight to exit the gun). Jacketed lead vs. non jacketed lead?
No/maybe a lead/alloy bullet seated down on the black powder, unless extremely heavy will not cause damage once you FORCEFULLY start the lead projectile fully into the bore, it is no longer oversized, in fact it is the perfect size jacketed (I assume you mean copper jackets) should never be driven into the rifling. they are used bore sized, or slightly under, never grooved sized
Savage stopped making smokeless MLs due to lack of demand for one year then restarted in limited numbers. I have one, I shoot 47 grains of IMR4759 out of it. It is well below the maximum for the bullet I shoot. It has a much different breech plug than a standard ML. among other changes. There have been less than 10 documented instances of failure. They have limits on the bullets, powders and sabots that can be used. All failures were due to experimentation or obstructions.
his example was VERY misleading.... his "Short Started" bullet was a SECOND bullet acting like an obstruction no one, to my knowledge, has ever caused any damage by firing a BP firearm with a single bullet "Short Started" at any location in the barrel
Thanks for making this expensive demo. I hope every shooter gets to see this.
Very expensive but maybe this will save someone's face and life
You should ship these guns to some hunter safety instructors to use in their classes after you finished taping. Great examples to have shown in the classroom.
Thank you for watching!
I would start of using a 295 copper PowerBelt Bullet, 100 grains of White Hot Pellets (2 Pellets), and a winchester 209 primer.
Thank you so much sir for your recommendation. I'm online buying my first 50 cal muzzleloader. I've used guns my whole life but I'm ignorant when it comes to muzzleloader. I've been doing my research and this was so important. You could have saved my life with this video sir !
You guys have the best RUclips videos than any other company. You care about your customers and put in the work to show it. Cant wait to get into black powder soon.
Cheers, sir.
I've been part of an ACW living history organization for several years, and we use period-specific firearms. This video is exactly how we train new members on the proper use of their muskets.
Thank you Sir for making this video. I think an educated hunter is not only a successful hunter but a happy one as well. Getting back to my family after a hunt is a priority for everyone in my family. Many accidents can be avoided by just educating yourself with good and accurate information.
A truly sobering demonstration of what firearm misuse can do. All firearms owners and users owe it to themselves and others to be well educated, well disciplined and well behaved at all times. Many thanks CVA for this lesson.
You can use smokeless powder in a muzzleloader I took apart a 12 gauge slug apart poured the approximate amount I would say 25 grains in and a 250 grain power belt shot just fine even different types of smokeless have way different burn rates even a 45 70 only uses 70 grains
Thank you to everyone who contributed to the making of this video. See these things demonstrated on modern, trusted muzzle loaders was invaluable. It almost makes me afraid of my MZ, but in a healthy way. Again, Thank you!
120 grains of any smokeless powder is a gigantic load. But you are correct that any weight of smokeless powder is going generate excessive pressures. But this is something that all arms makers and especially powder and reloading equipment makers should produce. I see it all the time a novice automatically selects the maximum loadings in the manual and doesnt even know how to recognize excess pressure signs it the brass or even the weapon. GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO... LIFESAVER
Expensive lesson, but not compared to a life lost. Thanks for driving this home.
This is a wakeup call to "that guy" who thinks he's getting a "better" load by either using smokeless powder willfully, or the clueless shooter who gets bad advice. Great video. Hated to see the guns ruined but there are people who need to see this!!
I have been using MLs for 20 years and have always "known" not to use smokeless, and unlike some of my... contemporaries, ;) never thought to chalenge this. But it was not until now that I actualy saw it done. Mainly cuz no one I know can afford to blow up their weapon. :) Thanks. I am puting this in my playlist.
I want to thank you guys for this video. I'm going to buy my first muzzleloader on this upcoming Saturday. its nice to have the knowledge for myself when I go to the store and get it. never trust an employee at a fleet farm or walmart.
THANK YOU to CVA, so show the hazards of incorrect loading of a muzzleloader, shows how dangerous it is
I use 3f exclusively in my Traditional rifles. It is the same powder, just finer grained. It works out to about 10% less than 2F. 70grains of 3 = about 80 grains of 2F. When using Pyrodex, I use Pyrodex P. Which is comparable to 3F.I wish he had tried a load of, say...70Grains of smokeless powder.Not that it would be safe, but I bet the gun would have held together.
I appreciate the way you have stressed on safety in this video. Good job.
I work with fireworks, and I have witnessed many foolish things myself. It is my hope that videos such as this will be viewed by more people in order to educate them about gun safety procedures. Thank you.
Very good and informative video. I shoot double barrel shotgun muzzleloaders, and I always use my ram rod and double check the second barrel after I fire my first barrel to make sure my ball, or buckshot didn't come loose and travel up the barrel. Good video, thank you.
As a long time shooter but someone that is about to get his first muzzle loader this was a fantastic video. Hearing about what can happen and seeing what can happen are two different things. This was extremely enlightening. Thanks to CVA for putting this information out there for all to see. CVA is going to be my first muzzleloader. Thanks again and stay safe. God bless.
CVA makes some fantastic muzzleloaders, lot of value packed into them.
@@308dad8
They sure do. Black powder is lots of fun and the slower pace makes you appreciate shooting even more.
@@notsosilentmajority1 I shoot mine even though my county doesn’t have a muzzleloader requirement for the muzzleloader season anymore. I agree it is fun, gotta really make the shots count.
@@308dad8
Yes sir, it slows everything down and every shot is more enjoyable. It's also more fun to have some target competitions with friends using muzzleloaders. I know that some of the new styled muzzle loaders are as accurate as most modern rifles but the old style muzzle loaders aren't quite as consistently accurate (at least for me), so the matches are a lot of fun. Good luck.
Thank you so much ! This is very responsible of you and appreciated... I think this video should be mandatory watching for a hunting license... I showed to my son , and friends ... my most best regards and thanks again ... Chris
Thank you Connecticut Valley Arms. For this video and all that you have done for us black powder shooters over the years. Love the smell of burnt sulfur in the morning. Safe and happy shooting to all here.
Being a former skydiver I truly understand the part about packing your own main, though he didn't specify which, parachute and only an FAA certified rigger should repack your reserve, period. This was a great video as I already knew not to ever use smokeless powder in a muzzleloader and seeing the actual result of modern powder and barrel obstructions was fascinating as an object lesson. This should be viewed by everyone firing any kind of black powder weapon.
great video!!
thanks for taking the time (and money) to make this video.
maybe put a link to another one of your videos on how to properly load a muzzleloader?
thanks again!
This has to be one of the very best videos that I have seen, showing the dangers of improper loading.
I have been shooting black powder guns for over fifty years, and this is without a doubt the best instructional ( safety ) video that I have seen.
A most sincere thank you.
I will pass this video on to my shooting buddies.
Again thank you!
Well thank you for the demo... ABSOLUTE craziness to try an upload.
Good video, a topic usually not covered enough. Super slow motion may have caught the flying shrapnel that is equally dangerous but hard to see in the films provided. To protect my muzzle from mud/snow I use barrel cots. I think that is safer than using various versions of tape some people on forums have mentioned. They like to say they used tape over the muzzle hundreds of times. They may be lucky to date.
Thanks for a great video but man, am I crying about those guns.
same here man, but its for science and safety
goonerdotcom Yeah, me too. What did those beautiful pieces ever do to you?
Same here brother. Some were really nice.
Omelettes and eggs.
Right? I'm glad none of my guns were watching the video! They would need therapy!
When you use a muzzleloader properly you never have any problems.
Youre welcome! Thanks for watching!
holy crap! 120 grains of smokeless is insane! cool to see what would happen. I reload shot shells and use around 20 grains for an ounce load
What did you think was going to happen with 120gr HS6? HS6 is used for pistol, and heavy 12 guage loads. I use 36grs with 1oz slugs in my 12ga. Don't get me wrong it was a great vid, and made your point very successfully. BAM! Love see stuff blow up. Just not in my hands. lol
I felt bad for those rifles you blew up! Great info! Safety is #1 when it comes to shooting!
Very interesting demonstration. We talk about the repercussions but the visual demo is impressive.
Yes you are right! That is what we call a short start. It can be very dangerous.
I just bought a cva optima stainless with a realtree stock. Great rifle!
thanks for making these videos!
EXCELLENT video... and THANKS for doing this... it certainly takes out all mystery of what happens and why - or as John Wayne said in a movie 'Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid'... Drives the point home... ALWAYS ERROR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION... NEVER ASSUME... All the VERY BEST!
Thank you. I was never sure of the why not use rule. This video is an excellent demonstration
thank you, i know it sounds stupid but i was out of black powder and was thinking about using smokeless powder. thanks to your video you may have saved my life. thank you very much
by the way. I already was thinking of trying this in about the same fashion you guys did. I KNOW IM DOING IT NOW that is GREAT
sweet deal. thanks, youtube needs more people like you, to many just want to complain or talk shit about other people,
Excellent video on safety. Thank you.
Never ever substitute smokeless propellant for black powder. Way back in the late 1900's I witnessed a Remington 700 center-fire hydrostatic lock. The stock ruptured and hot burning gasses and particulates damaged the shooters face. The immense chamber pressure was approximately 50,000 psi; a properly loaded cartridge was fired. The bolt held the pressure nicely but became mechanically locked due to bolt face expansion. I watched the entire event closely. It all started at a prairie dog shootout located in west Kansas. Two competitors were neck and neck for the top dawg title. One shooter had to take his cleaning time out, I think at 20 rounds, he was 60 for 60, when he called out cleaning. I watched him effortlessly draw his bolt, slide in a bore guide, and reach for a solvent jar. I was right there and smelled the wonderful scent of Black Powder Cleaning Gel. He had packed inside the jar Bore Mops. Boy I'll tell you, the sun was setting, and that shooter swung his Dewey Nylon Coated One Piece, mop after mop straight down that bore, sizzling And smoking like a freight train. It was scenic and artful as he confidently did a dance from breech to muzzle, swapping to brushes he pulled out of a jar of Copper Solvent. I thought he new his stuff, using the best damn lead and powder solvent first then Removing the copper fouling from his Stainless Steel Barrel which the Ammonia in Copper Solvent will ruin blued steel, then finally running a dry patch. I saw that the bore was shining bright as the sun sat down on that horizon. He quickly slipped into his bench position dropping a cartridge in and sliding the bolt forward as his spotter ( the other shooters partner) called out 250 2.5 Clicks, chocolate on vanilla upright facing away. The shooter called back to the spotter, " On Target, requesting backflipped bonus". Spotter, " Affirmative". I was watching just under the stadia as the shooter was thrust backward off his throne and into the dirt. Dr. KT came over and helped him. Later that evening at a restaurant in Lamar I found out that he should've dried the bore after removing the bore guide.
Thanks! You probably saved a few lives with this video.
All these videos about the dangers of loading smokeless in a muzzleloader show is that it is possible to blow up a muzzleloadder by overloading it with smokeless.
The demo load they use is 120 grains of Hodgdon HS-6. Well, DUH! I don't know of any firearm that can take a 120 grain load of HS-6.
I looked up some loading tables for HS-6. The two loads I found for a .44 Remington Magnum cartridge were 13 grains and 11.8 grains behind a 250 grain bullet.
The recommended load for a 45-70 is 15 grains of HS-6 behind a 300 grain bullet.
yeah..... 120 grains of HS-6 would probably blow up a .50 BMG chambered gun
Thanks for the awesome educational video!!!
You are correct! NEVER NEVER NEVER USE SMOKELESS POWDER IN A BP RIFLE!
Is smokeless powder similar to nitro powder?
Thanks for posting, very good safety tips!
Very informative.
Nothing like a visual to drive home what can happen.
120 is a shitload of any powder
+Steve Duval Yeah, that's what I thought, and especially pistol powder in a rifle.
More than Nitro express quantities of powder
Wow
These tests are made to blow up the gun and not a true test. My 375 only held 79 grains
@@Tedthegreatwhitehunter 75 grains of modern powder, especially pistol or shotgun is still ridiculously overpowered. My Traditions side lock safely fires up to 100 grains of black powder or equivalent. However said charge will never reach the pressures that 75 grains of modern [pistol powder will reach.
Great video and safety reminder
Es de suma importancia este video, advertir a la gente que no es un juego, es bastante arriesgado equivocarse en medidas o tipo de polvora.
Pero claro 120 granos de pólvora sin humo, es una carga gigantesca, cuando cartuchos de caza llevan entre 24/38 granos... Es lógico que explote los cañones.
Man , R.I.P Beautiful black powder rifles you sacrificed so much just to get the point across about gun safety me and my t/c omega salute you.
Thanks! Definitely better than people getting seriously injured or killed. That gives our sport a terrible image.
at least on the last one you could cut the barrel and have the first carbine muzzle loader ^^
+ifell3 Boi do you think they really didn’t have military muzzleloading carbines? And most modern muzzleloader could be considered carbines compared to big old musket length rifles or really long Kentuckys.
I'm thinking of using as little as possible smokeless so that it won't make guns explode, yet it still has enough force to push the bullet out (or just cut the barrel short for it to work). In anyway can this work? I saw people played with blackpowder loaded 7.62x54R on a Mosin, so now I just wonder if we can do the opposite...
Do you have a video that shows results of not seating the ball prior to shooting? I mark a ring around my ramrod at the muzzle when the gun is loaded. Then I can look at the ramrod when it is inserted into the bore. If the ring is even with the muzzle it is loaded. If the ring goes out of sight into the bore, then the gun is not loaded. It helps.
Alot of the sames rules apply, however you want to use the recomended powder type for your pistol.
Excellent tutorial.
Thank you
I'm curious if it safe to use shotshell - reddot powder in a muzzleloader? the muzzleloader barrel is much thicker than a shotgun barrel. thanks for your input.
Thanks a lot! I'm brand new to muzzleloading and actually learned quite a bit from this video. Well done.
How do you check the barrel for rust?
what is the smokless powder used for then?
I'm glad you used modern inline guns and no real valuable muzzleloaders were harmed in makin this video.
Holy Moly Thank you Im glad I never tried it. Its not beyond the realm of possibility that someone new to the sport would go ahead and make this mistake. Great Vid should be a must see for hunter safety courses. Do you think this same thing would happen with an old school muzzleloader? The barrels are alot thicker
The depth of a loaded gun may vary depending on the charge or projectile but the depth of an un-loaded gun does not vary.
Make the mark on the ramrod while the gun is un-loaded.
JohnLeePedimore Why? What's the point in checking the depth of an unloaded gun unless you forgot if you loaded if already? Don't we check the depth of loaded guns to be sure that the load is properly seated and not overfilled? Just wondering. I'm new at this.
@@ashleycovey9037 I have a mark on mine where my gun is loaded that way I know every time as long as it's down to the line it's loaded correctly
Very good video and very old. I really hope for an answer to my question but really don't expect one. You almost answered it in the video. Pyrodex ''P'' in a .50. Is it really dangerous in a reasonable amount? Is the finer granulation really going to produce dangerous pressure? Say in a modern muzzleloader that is Magnum rated for 150 grain charges. Would a reduced load, say 90 grains of FFF or Pyrodex ''P'' really be dangerous to shoot?
alright thanks, I have a TC triumph like the one they blew up (I never intended to put smokeless in it but I always wondered why) thanks
I have the CVA Hunter bolt magnum with two barrels one 45 cal and a 50 caliber barrel. I love it it shoots perfect to. I wish you still made the Hunter Bolt mag.
How much more would it cost to make the barrels using modern gun steel that can handle smokeless powder?
I've been using the same CVA Hawkins rifle for 30 years now. I have always heard about such things but this is the first time I have seen it. Now and can show new folks WHY we do what we do in the WAY we do it. One mistake could cost a arm of life.
wow. way to drive that point home. good for you - this is a great PSA
Does CVA still cut the barrel to make the lock fit? In my opinion just made the breech very weak. I made muzzle loading gun barrels with my grandfather William large. He said that was a very dangerous practice I have to agree. Hopefully this been changed.
I have a Crockett 32 caliber and it says to use triple F powder , is this correct
Great Video. Thanks.
Wow ! Great video ! Being a gun enthusiast all my life but never had any experience with BP this video is an eye opener.Thanks for posting !
I love my muzzleoaders, and always want to learn more. Thanks for posting this!
@cvamuzzleloader just curious what makes the smokeless powder blow them up as opposed to black powder?
Bring back the CVA Mountain Rifle!! The best REAL muzzleloader CVA ever produced!!
I had one of those once. VERY nice gun. CVA opted to go with mostly inlines, which is a damn shame. I enjoyed
working on their kits
i dont quite have the money to get into it right now but watching a video on it would be helpfull
Thanks for the great video!
here is my problem i cant use smokeless powder but thats all i can find. what type of powder is shot gun shells i took a few apart for there powder but i want to make sure its safe to use there powder first.
I would like to take the time to say THANK YOU for this video ! I've never seen barrel failures before, and this was Yes very informative and even Scary to say the least ! I just bought a Traditions Hawkin .50 caliber rifle and want to have good experiences shooting it ! So, needless to say I will always keep this instructional video in the front of my thoughts when shooting it ! Again . . . . THANK YOU ! ! !
I purchased a refurbished CVA Optima stainless/thumbhole at my local sporting goods store. I've had it for a year now and haven't shot it yet. I bought it to go deer hunting. I intend to shoot it this summer, and am new to muzzleloaders. Muzzleloading does seem somewhat complicated and possibly dangerous. Can anyone recommend a good propellant/powder and bullets- sabots or powerbelts? Thanks for the video. Very informative.
Very nice video... I absolutely love my CVA Wolf.
Thank you for the information.
muzzleloaders are a blast. buy one take your time and youll have a blast
Wow! Thank you for sharing.
I would like to have a cva woodsman 54 cal. and a cva silver eagle 50.cal Had these before and would like to have them again does cva carry these, i like the side lock with the hammer not the inline
Thanks for this video! it probably saved many lives!
Awesome, thank you
Very good video with very valuable info, specially when you are entering the black powder world... Anxious to use my new CVA Blackpowder Rifle....
Holy cow thats freakin scary just watching it. Thanks to yall at CVA. I knew i boughtthe right muzzleloader
What about taping the bore?
Single layer of tape over the end.
I shoot black powder pistol. The old cap and ball revolver. The same rules apply. It's unreal how accurate even these firearms are, when loaded properly. A 25,30 or even 50 -60gr charge in the big boys are very dangerous. I've never dreamed of putting modern powder in a cylinder. I reload and the difference in power is incredible.
Please come back out with the sidelock and flint rifles again I enjoy so much carving them and CVA has always been my brand
Very informative video! Thanks for posting this.
hey i have a buckhorn mag i have used it for the last 4 years i use 100grs of black powder and a 230 gr sure fire sabot i was wanting to know where to get a new recever butt plate because the place for the hex screw stripped and i was using the allen wrench suplied for it in the box i tried to get one from all my gun stores but no one has them i called suport and they said they had a six month back order on them so how can i get a new one i am currently using plyers i love my rifle though
Wow great video you prepared this very well to see this demonstration of guns blowing up sends chills down my spine and a clear message never pull the trigger if in doubt we'll done
Is it possible that a properly seated bullet will cause a barrel blow out? (example: A forcefully loaded bullet (likely a larger caliber) being to tight to exit the gun). Jacketed lead vs. non jacketed lead?
No/maybe
a lead/alloy bullet seated down on the black powder, unless extremely heavy will not cause damage
once you FORCEFULLY start the lead projectile fully into the bore, it is no longer oversized, in fact it is the perfect size
jacketed (I assume you mean copper jackets) should never be driven into the rifling. they are used bore sized, or slightly under, never grooved sized
Savage stopped making smokeless MLs due to lack of demand for one year then restarted in limited numbers. I have one, I shoot 47 grains of IMR4759 out of it. It is well below the maximum for the bullet I shoot. It has a much different breech plug than a standard ML. among other changes. There have been less than 10 documented instances of failure. They have limits on the bullets, powders and sabots that can be used. All failures were due to experimentation or obstructions.
what does a "short start" do? does it some how overpressure the chamber? or does it work like a barrel obstruction?
his example was VERY misleading....
his "Short Started" bullet was a SECOND bullet acting like an obstruction
no one, to my knowledge, has ever caused any damage by firing a BP firearm with a single bullet "Short Started" at any location in the barrel