RX 7800XT vs RTX 4070 vs RX 6950 XT- In the newest games!!! (Starfield, Unreal Engine 5, and More!)
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
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The RX 7800 XT is the best $500 GPU. But is it worth spending an extra $100 to buy an RTX 4070? Or an extra $130 to buy an RX 6950 XT? Let's find out by testing them in the newest games including Unreal Engine 5, Starfield, and more at multiple graphics settings including ray tracing on and off, FSR and DLSS on and off, and more!
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Chapters:
0:00 Why am I comparing these GPUs?
1:34 Sell your old GPU to fund your upgrade at Jawa.gg
3:12 What do 7800 XT cards actually cost, which am I using?
4:12 Immortals of Aveum Ultra 1440p
4:58 Immortals of Aveum Ultra 1440p DLSS and FSR2 Quality
5:40 Immortals of Aveum 1080p Ultra
6:25 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra
7:07 Remnant 2 1440p Ultra DLSS and FSR2 Quality
7:49 Remnant 2 1080p Ultra
8:31 Layers of Fear 1440p High RT On
9:15 Layers of Fear 1440p High
9:55 Layers of Fear 1080p High RT On
10:37 Layers of Fear 1080p High
11:19 Starfield 1440p Ultra
12:00 Starfield 140p Ultra FSR 75% scale
12:41 Starfield 1440p High
13:22 Starfield 1080p Ultra
14:03 Starfield 1080p High
14:44 Ratchet & Clank 1440p Very High
15:21 Ratchet & Clank 1440p Very High RT Max
15:58 Ratchet & Clank 1440p Very High RT Max DLSS/FSR2 Quality
16:34 Ratchet & Clank 1080p Very High RT Max
17:10 Ratchet & Clank 1080p Very High
17:45 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
18:17 Baldur's Gate 3 1080p Ultra
18:50 Star Wars Jedi Survivor 1440p Epic RT On
19:22 Star Wars Jedi Survivor 1440p High
19:55 Star Wars Jedi Survivor 1080p Epic RT On
20:27 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1440p Max (Includes RT)
20:58 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1440p Prioritize Graphics
21:27 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1080p Max (Includes RT)
21:57 The Last of Us Part 1 1440p Ultra
22:32 The Last of Us Part 1 1440p High
23:05 The Last of Us Part 1 1080p Ultra
23:36 Final Thoughts- Is there any reason to pay $100 more for the 4070? 
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Sell your old GPU on Jawa to fund your upgrade! bit.ly/JawaOwenGPUSep23
no offense the website looks ultra ass
super expensive to buy and super cheap to sell lmfao
and from what I read on trustpilot, terrible support
@@jeanmahmoudventilateur3480it’s just for people that don’t wanna deal with private customers selling on ebay and stuff
I won't hold it against you, Daniel. But the prices that site offers are as predatory as Pawn shops. I get there needs to be a margin, but I got offered essentially a cup of Coffee for a fully functional GTX970.
Thanks for the video anyway though, didn't expect the 7800xt to push the 6950xt as hard as it does, that's a huge win for consumers I feel.
@@richardsmith9615 they offered $53 for my 1080 that I can sell >$150 on eBay lol
bruh i would rather see a raid shadow legends sponsor segment lol
As a 6900xt owner, I can confidently say that this video is just proof that if you wait long enough, Daniel Owen will analyze EXACTLY what you are interested in. You are UNCANNY, man! 🙂
But why would you be interested in 7800XT as a 6900XT owner? It is a complete side grade for you.
JAY Z 2 CENTS VIDEO IS BETTER!!!
@@innocentiuslacrim2290I don't think they mean to buy them. I think they just wanted to see how their card holds up against these new cards which are at similar prices.
@@BaggyRaindrop18 yeah, I hope so, but consumerism can be weird at times.
@@jjnelson3232no you
I bought a 6950 XT a few months ago instead of the 4070 because of the 12 GB limitation of the 4070. If I was buying today I'd buy the 7800 XT but I haven't regretted buying the 6950 it has been a great card.
Same here!
Yeh its a solid card. We couldn't have known that Amd would pull off the rare feat of pricing their upcoming card correctly. Now at just $500 the 7800xt is the easy choice going forward this Generation.
I have been pretty happy with my 6750xt. I am thinking of getting the 6950xt on my lan/guest pc I want to build.
I think you should get the 7800 XT instead. It is cheaper, performs pretty much the same, has the latest features and draws less power. While I'm happy with the 6950 XT for these reasons if I was buying today I'd definitely buy the 7800 XT.@@Noodlepunk
what psu are you using if you dont mind me asking
Best YT channel for in depth GPU reviews by far!
I have been a subscriber since this channel had around 30k subs. It is great seeing you close to 150k subs now because you definitely deserve it, Daniel!
But you can't beat the voice of Gamer Meld - I go there just for the voice haven't a clue what he's really talking about.
Hey man I’ve made a handful of RUclips comments ever, but I want to say your content and analysis are amazing. I’m a high school teacher myself (chemistry) and I have no idea how you are able to juggle this with that. The algo fed me your channel when it was just getting started wow has it been 2 years already!? It is great to see how you’ve grown. It is well deserved mad props! I upgraded from a 3070 to a 7800 XT yesterday to get a boost for Starfield. The 8gb VRAM was rough going in some games. Your recent videos were more helpful than HW unboxed and GN honestly in making this decision. I cross reference benchmarks among all the trustworthy sources but your analysis is the best.
Very well said! As much as i watch HWU and GN, here on this channel the detailed analysis is pure gold.
Watched all major outlet reviews, this and Hardware Unboxed are best ones, with this one having an edge as it's more aligned with most modern games and stuff. Great work, this'll become main go-to channel in very short time.
The 4070 at 499$ would be such a good card, especially when looking for low power consumption. Would've upgraded from my 3070 if ngreedia hadn't made the price increase
ngreedia💀
Right? Even at $550 the power draw difference would easily make up the cost difference quickly. I'm surprised people aren't factoring it into their purchase more.
Yeah I'm gonna pick up a 4070, I returned my 7800xt due to awful drivers. The price difference isn't that bad rn.@@TheXboxSux
@@TheXboxSuxit is going for $550 now though. At least some models
@@joelman1989 does model matters?
I wanna buy this now, the cheapest I've seen is 530$ and as high as 650$
Excellent content as always. A bit of a suggestion: when you make these side-by-side videos, you should do a summary slide at the end that shows the average difference to go from card-to-card. Like maybe just an average percentage change. You're already collecting all of that information in your relative performance blocks, so it might be pretty easy to just show it at the end in maybe a like a bar graph or something.
This is the first time I've watched one of your reviews and I just want to say that I really like that you've tested with upscalers and different settings. It's a little bit frustrating when watching other reviewers test games because they only test with ultra settings and without upscalers. I know it's to push the GPUs to their limit but it's not very helpful for a real-world scenario. The same RUclipsrs will tell you not to play using ultra settings and then will not show me how well the GPU will run using lower settings. Also, I always use upscalers as long as there's no massive hit to quality so being able to see the performance while using upscalers is very helpful. This is not me knocking other reviewers, I still think that their information is very accurate and helpful its just that I think these more varied reviews are more helpful for a real world scenario.
7800xt might be interesting. Especially if there's still any more gains to be had in the form of drivers. I've noticed that some of my AMD cards had a few drivers where general performance increased quite a bit throughout the years.
yeah must be nice to buy the latest gpu the day they release just to play starfield 3 years later
@@busetgadapet If you aren't FPS-chasing, you can absolutely play Starfield now even at 40+ FPS. The game's good, but kinda feels empty yet. Not talking about performance yet, but I'd definitely advise people to wait for further updates, or for better mods to have a better game experience.
@@busetgadapet except thats not what he said. OP has been able to enjoy the gpu annnnd gets the benefit of more perf later on
@@busetgadapet yea, it's really nice to buy a GPU and be able to play the game and then get to play it even better three years later because improvements have been made.
@@popop1436800XT
@34:10 "Let me put it this way: I think the 7800xt absolutely offers better value. There is no question on that" "With the 7800xt costing $100 less, it really is the more compelling value". Yup, the Value King 7800xt. Exactly what we needed this generation.
yes the value king is a expensive medium meanhile i paid 200 for my medium card that lasted years at full graphs.aka the og rx480 polaris batchis
@@thepro081070ti was 450 six yrs ago. 7800xt at 500 seems pretty good to me.
@@thepro08 We live in another world now. If you want some 1080p entry level card, you can find 6600xt for as low as ~$200. 7800xt is a high tier 1440p card or a solid entry level 4k card.
@@thepro08 Sure, if you're playing strictly competitive FPS games at "competitive" settings. But nowadays with modern games you aren't going to get very good performance at all with a card like that. You probably can't even run any modern AA/AAA games with that card.
Also the 7800 XT is pushing well over 60fps with maxed out settings in most of these games, let alone medium settings. What are you smoking?
Your videos are at the level of other big youtubers and even more useful if you ask me. Your videos are one of the few videos I watch fully given it's high quality analysis. Keep up the great work
2060 owner that's looking to upgrade, just wanted to say thank you for making these videos. It's been really helpful in making me make an informed decision.
Looks like the 4070 is getting humbled by the 7800 XT, I'm a 4080 owner so no AMD bias here but it does seem to me that the 4070 is in dire need of a price drop. Cheers from Spain 🙂
bro why would you buy 4080, if you want to spend this much money you may as well buy better value and perf 4090.
@@BlueBaby252The extra $400 really is too much for some of us, even at $1200 already. It’s why I bought a 4080 as well. Thankfully happy with the performance!
simply because the 4080 I got was a heavily discounted open box and I'm playing at 1440p with no intention to embrace the 4K master race just yet, I saved at least 700 bucks buying this deal compared to the average price of a 4090 in my country, thanks for your suggestion anyways !!@@BlueBaby252
@@BlueBaby252Most people dont have $1000 for an expense, even in America, its literally a basic finance statistic
@@BlueBaby252better value would be the 7900 xt or xtx…$1500 is a *lot* for a gpu and there’s nothing wrong with not getting the best
One reason Daniel's videos about the 7800xt are even more relevant and reliable than the usually great Gamer's Nexus (who were the outlier on the 7800xt), is that he tests in the latest and most demanding games. Unreal Engine 5 is probably the most important possible test since the majority of games will be based on it, and super demanding games like Immortals of Aveum and Remnant 2, despite neither being particularly big hits, are still super relevant because they show off a good guideline to how these cards will be performing with games going forward. Right off the bat we can see with these two UE5 games that the 7800xt is brutally slaughtering the 4070, almost to a criminal extent. This video helps cement why 7800xt is the new undisputed King of the Generation in terms of Performance and Value.
fsr looks bad
@@bigturkey1 ? what about FSR here?
@horodoomwolf Nvidia can dlss it self to being a 4k card amd will always just be a 1440p card until fsr looks better.
HUB showed really poor performance in fortnite (which is UE5) compared to both the 6800 xt and the 4070
@@bigturkey1 Yo big ngreedia fanboy, Nvidia needs DLSS just to match AMD's raw performance, it is nothing to be proud of. AMD isn't crippling its GPUs with small bus widths like Nvidia is. If they need to rely less on upscaling, it is an advantage. You have probably never compared them. I have DLSS, and I have seen FSR, the difference is nowhere near as big as you exaggerate. Sure FSR quality looks like DLSS performance in some cases, but on stuff like 4060Ti 16gb even performance DLSS can't match 7800XT.
You're blind enough not to see that nvidia is using DLSS=good narrative to not increase raw performance.
Great video, thank you! It would have been more awesome to get the 4k comparison!
Great stuff- exactly the video I was looking for :D
I'd like to say 12GB VRAM vs 16GB VRAM is also something to consider.
In my opinion, textures generate the bulk of graphics quality. Having more VRAM allows you to use higher quality textures, providing the game is VRAM heavy on the texture side. Which is more often the case nowadays.
That's the main reason for me to always choose for the 7800XT over the 4070, if the 4070 had 16GB (which I recently learned is not possible for the 4070 series, not even with a refresh). I would maybe choose for the 4070 if the price would be a bit cheaper.
12GB is fine.
@@icy1007 for older games yes, and for a hand full of newer games as well. But more and more games have proven to need more than 12gb.
@@JustSomeDude31 no game available today needs more than 12GB.
@@icy1007 Ratchet and Clank already uses more than 12GB. They'll be texture mods for Starfield that will exceed 12GB. There are more examples.
The only sensible reason I can think of choosing the 4070 over 7800XT is for the nVidia's CUDA support which works much better for stable diffusion and other productivity workloads.
Real time ray tracing is still in its infancy - maybe give it another 2 GPU generations before it becomes relevant. Frame generation increases latency which is just stupid in 95% of cases.
Well now even in RT 7800XT is good enough vs 4070. I don't see why anyone would spend 100$ to get less performance and less VRAM, AMD pulled a winner here.
I just returned my 7800XT. The 7000 series drivers are awful currently.
@@Logan-bk8lzwhys bro just lying 😭😭😭🤣🤣
For the past 2 weeks ive been wondering which gpu to buy out of these three and you literally just solved my issue with the exact video i needed and it just so happened to pop up on my feed. Big thanks!
what did you get and why? If you don't mind me asking
@@ThePapadaiw the 7800xt. I just feel like its the best for my general situation and my rig.
Brilliant video, once again. Thanks for the insight as I was currently considering the 7800XT vs the 6950XT (on offer)
I picked up a new reference 6950xt a couple months ago for $620 on Amazon. Was going to wait and see about the 7800xt but had an EK GPU waterblock that fit the 6800-6950xt reference models so went that route to keep my system fully water cooled. I get a stable 2749Mhz OC while slightly undervolting. I also OC'd the memory with faster timing. Super low temps liquid cooled and still a little headroom. Its a fantastic GPU. I only have a 5600x CPU but they seem to pair very well. Never see below 60fps at 4k usually much higher on almost every game.
What's the power draw with overclock/undervolt and water cooled?
@@wadadli4sun 290w
@@PCPAyLOAD 👍🏼
I too have a 6950XT, but the XFX 319 one. Solid GPU, bought it for £585 brand new. Can’t fault it
They best thing the 7800 XT got going for it is its price. 499$ with less wattage than the bigger 6000 cards that beat it by a couple %. Solid card to upgrade to if you are sitting on even older gens.
In Germany however, the 7800 XT is currently at 600€ or higher, while the 6800 XT is as low as 520€. Will take some time until the price drops, I think.
That is just because every card at or close to the msrp was sold out by this morning. Wanted to buy the Gigabyte one today and now have to wait a few weeks, till they restock.
today's pricing in Greece and from the official AMD retailer ( Plaisio Computers ) : 7700xt - 630 eu , 7800xt - 700 eu .
These are for the absolut cheapest models .
@@leyterispap6775 that is absolutely ludicrous...
They are not even selling the reference gpu's at all , never .You can only find reference cards from 3rd party sellers if ur lucky.@@1Aldreth
yeah pricing 7800 XT in EU is not that great, cheapest 7800 XT is only 20€ less than chapest 4070 here, not great
Excellent breakdown at the end.
I can suggest more talking points if you like to do this sruff even more comprehensive, like the memory architecture in relation to future expectations of holding up in performance (e.g. a higher bit bus combined with compute power suggests a design for a higher resolution which usually translates to holding up better in future), the re-sale value (usually nvidia holds more value in time on the used market), software stack including streaming facilities or, if you are inclined to, some tuning performance and QOL on this front would be amazing, altought i know this takes more time and passion that you might not be atracted to.
What I do appreciate of your videos is you talk about different usecases, especially important when it comes to pretty clear results like this (7800 XT is slugging the 4070 in rasterization) that *should* still be considered. Its rare that anything is high and dry "this is better in all situations" and that nuance is important.
That said, damn, do I wish I waited from buying my 4060 ti 16GB and grabbed the 7800 XT 😂
Cool video, would be interesting to see 4K as well IMO. Might be a solid win for AMD.
180W compared to 280 and 300+ is still a quite an impressive feat from Nvidia, DLSS looks better, RT is still better on the 4070.
Would be nice to see some price drop on the 4070 but I don't really expect it.
Remember that this is an ABI model of the 7800xt that is pulling more power. Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed found that the power consumption difference between the 7800xt and 4070 was only about ~45-50w in the tests they did (furmark, numerous games). No doubt the 4070 is the more power efficient card, but its not by the margins that some are lead to believe.
Yeah 45W power savings but also worse performance and less VRAM while having to pay 100$ more.
RT is not better if you look at fps per dollar. 7800xt brings more Ray tracing fps for every dollar you spend.
@@mmadevgame If you check UE5 + Lumen you're right and it is probably an important metric just like Daniel said. But if you check CP or Ratchet & Clank your argument is invalidated.
This is why it would have been useful to see the 4K comparisons because the bus width difference could potentially negate any kind of advantage the 4070 has over the 7800 on higher resolutions. I know it's probably too much for both cards on newer titles, but still it's relevant information for anyone who plays older games.
Interesting!@@mmadevgame
My only problem with these new GPU's is that they are absolutely massive.
The ASUS DUAL 4070 was the only reasonable sized card that was able to fit in my case.
It looks like the only 'small' 7800XT is the dual fan version from ASRock.
What do you consider small? Just curious, I have an ITX build and bought the Sapphire Pulse model for it.
LOL! Any gaming case today houses all GPU's, including the behemoth 4090 and 3090Ti.
Seriously, when I'm buying a GPU to play games with, the LAST THING I think about is "but it's too big!". I care about frames per second, and price.
Not power consumption, I don't need to save £10 a year on my electric bill more importantly than I need fps and value for money. I don't spend 10 huors a day editing videos. And I don't care about AI.
I'm a gamer. I buy gaming GPU's to play games with.
4070 gets SPANKED by both the 7800XT and 6950XT.
SPANKED!!!!!!!!!!
@@TheVanillatech Anything over 3 slots is too big for my case.
MBA cards are usually small for this generation, no?
I dare say the cooler of my 7900XTX MBA is smaller than some high-end 4060 coolers. 2.1 slots after all. the 7800XT MBA should be slightly shorter too.
Do they not fit in a mid tower case?
Perfect! The comparison I expected for Starfield, between the 7800XT and the 4070 GPUs that I have on a "small" configuration and the 6950XT on another.
Thank you very much for this comparative video. Now I know what to do.
Replace the 4070 with my 6950XT and buy a 7900XTX for my "big" configuration. Finally, I have a 4070 for sale 🙂
Once again, thank for the video, Daniel! I'll get my RX 6900xt today, and now I'm quite calm when it comes to performance of various games, newer ones included. I do not care about power consumption, since where I'm from, the cost of electricity is minimal when compared to EU/US.
It's obviously speculative, but it seems like ray tracing is getting more and more sidelined instead of being more and more widely adopted. Which to be honest kind of makes sense, since Nvidia launched it how many years ago already, and it's still not properly usable, delivering hard to notice differences at a great performance cost.
You convinced me. Finally going to upgrade from my GTX 1080 -> RX 7800XT.
My old card has served me well for many years, and will hopefully find a new home in a PC for my sister or something.
im on the same spot as you... gtx 1080 to 7800 xt its a good interchange :D
@@stanc1tohow is it for 4k gaming?
@@snowmansan meh, his target is qhd 144, for 4k high fps u should take the new 4070 ti super, 7900 xt or xtx or 4080
Very informative and a lot of hard work felt on the video, so a like and subscribe is a must
I like your balanced approach to these gpus. I will say I have been able to use my 6950XT on my 750w PSU but only the XFX MERC version. That should be another thing to consider vs the other 2 gpus. No need for a new psu with the XFX 6950 XT as its only 2 8 pin connectors as well not 3 like the other AIB versions.
Very happy with my 6950XT purchase a few months ago.. this card should last a few more years. Coil whine is pretty bad though.
Yeah my xfx merc 6950xt has a crazy coil whine
My mind has been set on the 6950 xt for months now. I really appreciate seeing a video about it. But if the 7900xt drops to $700 I will snag it in a heart beat. I play on a big tv so I need something that can do 4k, and the extra 4 gigs of vram wouldn't hurt!
I bought my XFX 319 6950XT a few months ago for £585 brand new off Amazon. I honestly can’t fault it and highly recommend.
I have not regretted my 6950xt purchase. I have been running unoptimized game like starfield at 80 fps 1440p at all high settings without FSR. It's sitting at a nice place in the current generation if you don't care about AV1 encoding .
The 6950xt does seem like a true bargain. I plan on pairing it with a 5800x3d. The best of both cpu and gpu of the last generation that AMD had to offer. What cpu are you rolling with it? @@scott4207
@@toastar9554 yeah I just use my PC for gaming only, so AV1 doesn’t really effect me. But yeah, 6950XT will be one of those cards that stay relevant for a long time, 16GB VRAM, high end card
Thanks for the video - it helps a lot since all these GPU's cost the same in my country :)
Like and subscribe entirely because you included ratchet and clank in the test suit, as a kid I gamed on the ps1, 2 and 3 before I switched to pc, and I've been wishing for a pc port of the series for a long time. So getting to see benchmarks for it is great.
But Nvidia still wont reduce the price in the end they will just reduce production to avoid price drop
common Nvidia L
And that 4070 will still outsell both 7700 XT and 7800 XT because Nvidia...
or you can buy amd
people still buy their gpu cause brand recognition so why drop the rpices?
The math teacher in you shows. Good info. An English teacher would have to work with you to better organize that last eight minute closeout trying to explain some of the feature benefits of the Nvidia GPU. It was all over the place. I think you should let the stats show what they show and then mention briefly at the end that although it isn't reflected in the data, DLSS is generally considered to be better than FSR. Then let the reader decide if that is worth the price and performance difference.
Good Video, thank you!
I find your review very detailed and informative, as always. Let me point out, however, that, although many reviewers, not just you, say 7800 XT costs $100 less than 4070, it seems to be the case only in the U.S. and perhaps Canada. I checked prices of these two at price comparison sites in the U.K., EU, Australia, and Japan. The price differences between 4070 and 7800 XT are as follows in those different regions: $75 in the U.K. and the Netherland, $50 in Austria, France and Germany ($50 in the EU as a whole), $2.5 in Ausralia, and -$5.5, which means 4070 is less expensive, in Japan.
DLSS does such a good job at upscaling from low resolution images compared to FSR 2. They are worlds apart, at 4k I'd say 50% DLSS looks as good if not better than 80% FSR even when frame generation is enabled. Hopefully FSR 3 will close that gap because there's no competition in that area. Nvidia keeps leveraging DLSS and sell the inferior products for higher price. However If FSR 3 does as good as an upscaling job as DLSS at lower resolution scales, it doesn't even have to generate frames. Most AMD cards are already powerful enough to provide the same FPS with frame generation disabled at the same price tier. If they'll also look good, Nvidia will have to do major discounts. That'd be really good.
I literally just put an order for a 6950xt after waiting for the 7800 to show up. For $100 more it’s worth it for me
Tell yourself whatever you want but 7800xt is the better buy, only slightly slower 130 to 150 less uses less power plus newer platform.
too bad 6950xt is way worse than 7800xt. feels bad for you if only you waited a bit longer
When I was shopping, I felt like AMD's exclusive board partners like XFX, Sapphire and Powercolor were all companies I wanted to support. I ended up with an XFX card, as they have an amazing product with a great warranty, but I wouldn't hesitate to go with Sapphire or Powercolor in the future.
Detailed and explained well for the common people. Thank you :)
Very happy with the 6950XT results here 👍👍
7800xt is the better value
Best purchase i made this year.
go watch gamers nexus 7800xt review @@jjnelson3232
@@jjnelson3232 We want the better performance
thks for using the 6950xt in the benchmarks. have been looking for good comparison vs new gen gpus.
//PhantomGamingOc6950xt+5800x+x570+64gtridentz// think ill hold out a few more months for new gpu .
Thanks for all the videos Daniel. I'd be interested to see a different take on this analysis - one not purely based on highest FPS. For me, I'm looking for a card that can render well enough at 1440p to upscale to 4K 60FPS while producing the best visuals. In this context, I'm wondering whether the DLSS enabled RTX 4070 with its superior RT is the better card - particularly since I can get one for the same money as a 7800xt.
I had bought a 4070ti for 800 i later found the red devil 6950 used on Amazon for 450 it arrived pretty much new and I'm so happy with my purchase I'll be keeping this till the next generation
starfield is a rlly strange game because AMD gpus tend to be much faster then their Nvida equivalents but also it seems to favour intel CPUs in big cities even a i5 13600K gets more fps than a 7800X3D which is rlly strange.
Starfield using E cores too and that's bad for most games but in that game they are using E cores in smart way that's why intel with amd GPU is good way to go, I moved from 5600x to 5800X3D did not make any diff when I play at low options at 1440p in games because of my rtx 3070, now I have my eyes for rx 6950xt goes to day for 7800SEK vs rx 7800xt 7100SEK, price diff is just about 70€, there will be event tomorrow and price on rx 6950xt will be 8k SEK and 7800xt may drop in price or other GPUs. Taking risk to pay 20€ more for 6950xt just to see price of GPU event
What i like about Daniel Owen is that he's a working man, so all his reviews address what the working man wants to know. Glad ive been one of the early subs love to see the growth
Not for long....
Thank you for this video. It helped me so thank you!!!
31:49 Consider showing CPU temps in RTSS to better illustrate the GPU heat output point, since the CPU is very likely going to be hotter
Undervolting and overclocking will do wonders for RX 7800 XT
same for 4070
@@crescentmoon256especially since the 4070 draws at lot less power
No it won't. I saw a video of someone who tried to OC it and he didn't gain any performance. He was really surprised.
@@crescentmoon256for 4070 you will gain a few percent after of/uv. For rdna3 it is over 10% on average. There will probably be even more for nitro+ or Red evil cards.
@@IxionDLFand 4070 costs more while having less vram and lower raster
Problem with the 4070 is it loses big where it matters most UE5. And wins big att stuff that is irrelevant. Heavy raytracing, which it is too weak to handle anyway.
It could be $500 and people should still get a 7800XT instead.
If you plan to keep the card for a few years and play at 1080p (which is my case) I would go with the 4070, mostly because I wouldn't use FSR at 1080p and DLSS looks good at 1080p and Frame generation sounds interesting specially at 1080p where you have more than 60fps
More heat.
Worse drivers (card not being supported as long).
Worse power consumption at idle.
Worse power consumption with multiple monitors.
Worse power consumption while watching video.
DLSS > FSR
Nvidia features > everything AMD has.
Worse resale value.
With AMD, you're saving $100, getting 4 extra VRAM and 5% better raster performance.
4070 weak for heavy ray tracing? at least did you see the video, 1440p 60fps in the worst case, close to 100fps in the better case lmao
Amazing video and comparisons! Very detailed and intelligent and complete. Thank you very much for all your work!! At 17:26 the 1% Lows could be mentioned: 226% and 240% for the AMD cards 😅
for cards like these, testing at 1080p is a bit redundant, since at 1440p with upscaling at quality we are already rendering at 960p.
Also with 1080p with cards like these using upscaling would make the image look really bad, and even when done due to vram limitation, at this resolution dropping texture quality to high or medium would still yield a better looking image than using upscaling at 1080p
I was on the fence but it was eating away at my brain so I just bought the 7800xt for £490 which came with starfield. In the UK the extra power consumption over the 4070 is a bigger deal due to higher electricty prices and over a period of 4 years it adds up but obviosuly that can change as well as the time I play games so I didnt think it was a good factor to decide on.
This is something i wish more people talked about.
I agree that GPU are way too expensive for their "raw" performance but the energy consumption is a thing for many of us.
You screwed up. 4070 is worth it for the DLSS features.
FSR wipes the Floor with dlss
@@ThomasAndy-qu8dp Yeah same, but I did look into it a bit more and the power consumtion gap between the two cards change based on what game it is and resolution and other factors so its hard to calculate what is better value
@@sirbonobo3907 lucky for AMD that some would believe that nonsense
interesting.. From the other reviews the 7800xt was being beaten by 6800xt in a lot of titles
Yeah I was questioning that as well.
I haven't played a ton of Starfield but it looked great on my Ubuntu 22.04, AMD 5800x, AMD RX 6800x. I have a Tuf AMD 7900 XTX overclock but I am not sure if I can get it in my case... It is HUGE!
Thanks daniel! I think we can see some of the limitations of 12gb at 1440p in your benchmarks. In ratchet and clank, re4 and last of us both AMD cards sail pass 12gb of vram usage and the 4070 lags behind about 10% in all of them except for r&c RT. maybe in 2024 1440p 12gb perf will continue to fall
Wow I haven't seen nvidia's 70 class card be destroyed by amd like this before. 7800 xt very solid card
dude the 7800xt was drawing 80-100w more on average in the games he tested. The 7800xt was on par with the 6950xt for FPS and drew around 50w less. The nvidia card that matches the 3090 is the 4070ti, same fps and draws 100w less.
comparing the 4070 to the 7800xt is like comparing the 4070ti to the 7700xt.
@@qubes8728 like OP Nvidia sucks
@@clark85 Is that it bro? OP for who?
Whats nvidia got to do with the performance of any 7000 series card?
I mean, If the 7800xt performs the same as the 6800xt how is comparing it to the 4070 going to change anything???? Its like hitting a girl. You dont do it unless you have no self respect. Pretty stupid to compare a card that uses 100w more to another card that uses 100w less and expect people to believe thats a good thing????
Everything OK dude?
@@qubes8728 Nvidia sux bro
@@clark85 yeah it sux if you don’t have one I spose? The only other options are Amd and intel but they’re not much cheaper and take forever for drivers to mature plus they use more power. Ok if you’re on a budget I guess?
Looking at the temps on the 7800xt, power draw, and the memory clock, I wouldn't be surprised if the thing turned out to be quite a strong overclocking card.
Well Vex overclocked it, it was useless.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat I don't think Vex knows what he's doing when it comes to overclocking. Techpowerup tested 6 different 7800 xt models and they all had between 12-15% improvement when overclocked. They specifically mention that undervolting is a must on rnda 3 when overclocking and I don't think he did that.
@@hacob2004yeah I was impressed by the 850mv UV and OC about 2900mhz with the sapphire nitro+, I don't know if it's possible on every nitro+ but that's awesome !
@@hacob2004 That's good to know, thanks, will check out their video on it. It definitely seemed like the potential was there.
@@skyryudo311 That's extremely impressive!
Just bought the PowerColor rx7800 xt Red Devil Limited Edition, gonna test it in like a week when it finally comes. Pretty excitee, ngl.
This is the video I was looking for, thank you!
Super niche request, but I would love to see how the 7800xt performs at 1440 on the ultra wide in warzone 2 😅
This moment, when AMD get's accused to block Nvidia Tech
and Nvidia is too lazy to adjust their drivers for the game.
Nvidia is busy for AI BS now. I hope their bubble bursts soon.
Both companies have had their respective shenanigans on new tech. This is usually patched, so don't read too much into so-called 'blocking'.
Crysis and Hawx: nVidia title, WAY overblown sub-pixel tessellation, under-map water with tessellation not culled, tanked AMD cards
Witcher 3 and Final Fantasy XV: nVidia titles, HairWorks still enabled on culled objects, improper culling, Hairworks on by default tanked AMD cards.
Tomb Raider 2013: AMD title, TresFX hair didn't even RUN on nVidia til it was patched in
Fallout 4: nVidia title, vSync didn't even WORK on AMD for months after release.
Cyberpunk: nVidia title, WAY overblown RT, need s 3090+ for decent performance
To be honest, AMD is not any better here either. Their CPUs perform pretty poorly in Starfiled. Not a good result for a brand, which "worked closely with the developers to make sure their products perfrom as expected". My 5600 is way slower than 12400, although in many other games they are usually comparable.
P. S. BTW, ironically, modded DLSS in Starfield looks really good, much better than "natively implemented" FSR.
@@MDFGamingVideothe blocking has already been debunked.
It was a rumor set in motion by Nvidia (according to an insider source from mooreslawisdead - who is usually pretty reliable).
@@Humanaut. The fact is AMD avoided to made any comments for months, so that and the fact that most AMD sponsored titles don't support dlss made the probability of AMD blocking dlss very likely.
Good video. I think if the 7700xt was $399 then it would be a huge hit and a segment buster. AMD's video card division can't help tripping over it's own feet.
It has to be at $399 before this year ends, I'll be shocked if it doesn't get a price drop by then.
If Amd priced at $429.99 would have looked good , but even at $450.00 it's comes with game $70.00 , free , sell the game for $50.00 and it will be $399.99.
Also free game only running for few more weeks , don't wait till GPU drops prices and who knows it might not , buy now dumb dumbs
7800xt is outselling 7700xt. 7800xt from the official amd store sold out very fast. if 7700xt is $400 and 7800xt is $500 which one will sell more? 7700xt. what if 7700xt is $450 and 78800xt is $500? 7800xt cause people will pay the $50 for +4gb ram, etc and get the 7800xt. and it worked. AMD is selling more 7800xt at $500 while also selling 7700xt at $450. win-win. AMD got a gigantic *W.*
The price on the 7700 XT will probably drop, much like 7900 XT vs XTX.
@@ganthrithor Yep, I expect it within 6 months from now.
That was very helpful. My next build has Starfield as the #1 in mind haha. Thanks for this. 7800xt seems like the no brainer
Great video answered alot of the question I have about the 7800 xt looking to buy a new rig this fall and the main problem atm and pretty much always is which graphic card to choose.
Well I bought a 6950 XT (admittedly it was a hard choice between the 4070, 7800 xt and 3080 ti) but since I play VR as well it and I wanted some futureproofing in terms of VRAM (Texture quality, bad optimization habits and so on) I went with the 6950 XT since I got it for a good price. Btw a good model 6950 XT (undervoltable) costs here in austria/germany around 800€. I got my MSI Gaming Trio for 650€ (3 months used, so still with guarantee) and that would translate to around 580$ without VATs. My Reasoning:
1. The better cards for VR are obviously Nvidia's cards, but since the 3080 ti and the 4070 come "only" with 12 GB of VRAM it after all wouldn't have been a really good choice for me (and I want to underline the "me" here, since not everyone will have the need for more than 12 GB). The 7800 XT on the other hand was a really tough choice to pass. But since everyone knows that AMD is slow with their drivers (especially for VR), I didn't want to wait until next year (or maybe never since they'll probably concentrate more on flat screen rather than PCVR) until they release capable drivers. So the 6000 series - and my previous one is the 6700 XT - already have some pretty good drivers with which I almost never had crashes, although the encoding is not the best. But until AV1 encoding will be the standard probably in 2025, I'm not keen on waiting for that and what advantages that means for VR (quest 3 f.e.).
2. When it comes to RT and DLSS support.. well I'm more of a Starfield, Resident Evil and VR gamer (and I don't play a lot tbh). So there's that. Even with a bit of RT (fe only Reflections and lighting in CP77) the 6950XT is very capable. Since I only game with controllers (coming from a PS4) I don't need very high FPS.
3. Really Nvidia? A 4060 TI vs 16 GB VRAM, but a 4070 TI with 12 GB? You know what I mean.. this generation and the leap from the 6000 to 7000 and 3000 to 4000 series is pretty much a joke.
I'm surprised you chose the 6950xt as a German - considering that we have the highest electricity kWh price in the entire world (yes, really) and the 7800xt nearly has the same performance with less kwh usage.
On the one hand I understand your reasoning - basically you sacrificed the long term for the short term. Which is a reasonable thing to do if you have the financial means to upgrade again as soon as you need it - but you will also have longer term driver support on the 7800xt and given that the 7900 and 7600 have already been out for quite a while I don't think they will take that long to update drivers as the 7800xt is their last release this gen so they shouldn't have any other priorities at the moment.
@@Humanaut. Well I have considered that as well. But my energy contract in vienna is about 12,6c per kwh. Since it's subsidized over here. And yeah considering the drivers.. if you see the past and how AMD went with VR drivers and that they are probably more conected to xbox (who dont see a near future in VR) than ever.. you can pretty easily come to the conclusion that this is a long way off. And the 6950 xt is not so old. (May 2022) These cards are definetely going to be to be supported at least until end of 2025 or longer. If I would buy a new PC, then I would definetely tend to AM5 or Intel13. But AM4 is still capable and since I run it with a 5800x3d its not so memory dependent. Next stage would be 7800x3d which is "just" about 12-14% better with ddr5 6000 CL36 fe. So I didnt see a need switching to the mew platform.
@@niko220491 okay yes that makes a lot of sense.
If you already have good am4 components AND cheap electricity then your choice definitely sounds like a smart move.
Over here in Germany I pay 33 cents per kWh.
I'm still curious to see how the whole VR driver thing will play out.
I am also interested in VR but everytime I dive into the topic a little more I come to the conclusion that it's better to wait 1-2 more years until the tech matures a bit more for it.
Since it's still considered niche I can somewhat understand less resources being dedicated to it but I would love to see VR take off in the not too distant future.
My general sense is that AMD has been improving more and more on the driver/software sider over the past ~5 years.
I actually did a "deep dive" once and if you consider drivers AMD vs Nvidia then it's pretty much a tie (2-3% lead for AMD actually) but that was merely considering ALL high impact driver issues and duration until fix.
So it wasn't VR specific.
You probably know more about the VR side of things.
Maybe I'll get to try star citizen in VR someday.
The future is looking good for AMD. Their latest mid-range reportedly doing good numbers in sales.
Frame gen eats up lots of VRAM just like ray tracing. There really is no point in preferring mid-range 3000 and 4000 cards over 6000 and even 7000. Nvidia fumbled on both VRAM and FG being exclusive.
3080 can dlss itself to being a 4k card. amds will only be a 1440p card until fsr looks better. plus nvidia cards are valued more to professional use and have higher resale value. I bought a 3 6900xt for 330 400 440. 2 of them were people selling them because their business software didnt support amd.
@@bigturkey1 As true as that is, I think it's frankly irrelevant. Both the 6800 XT and the 3080 struggle to do 4K 60 with upscaling in the newest games. Honestly, with 4K 144Hz monitors around when the 30 series was releasing, I don't know why anyone was excited for their 4K abilities. A reasonable frame rate at 4K has not been feasible until the 4090 performance class.
@@moldyshishkabob 3080 is getting 60fps in starfield and remanent 2 at 4k with dlss. 4k oleds are 120hz. ive gamed at 4k 120hz with 3090 and 4080.
@@bigturkey1 Looking at Daniel Owen's benchmark with FSR, it's 4K 55FPS. Looking at other random benchmarks on RUclips using the DLSS 3.5 mod it's 4K 53-55FPS.
And Remnant 2 is a game that *requires* upscaling to get any semblance of a decent framerate. You can't even do native *1080p* 60fps with anything until you go up to an RTX 3080.
@@moldyshishkabob i saw 3080 getting around 60fps in starfield and remanant 2 at 4k with dlss performance on this channel.
I got my Asus 4070 dual (white OC edition) on Amazon in July for $550 + tax. Power efficiency is awesome, and since I splay only in 1440, and run DLSS I'm beyond satisfied so far. :-]
DLSS.. need to fake the frames and res to get good FPS.. and its still 200W for a 192 bit bus.. not THAT great.. 4070 will not age well. Also keep in mind nVIdia only measure the core TDP, AMD measure the whole graphic card, vRAM and core.
I'm strongly considering selling my 3080 ti and picking up a 7800 XT. The VRAM and the fact the VRR on my Vizio TV works considerably better in FreeSync would be my deciding factors. The 3080ti and the price I paid for it during the GPU crisis is the worst PC mistake I ever made, and I will never spend that much again.
Excellent video. The rtx 4070 and rx 7800 xt cost about the same here in Australia. Here the rtx 4070 is a clear winner in my opinion.
Thanks!
What makes it a clear winner
vr and blender and power efficiency. @@rynof
As an owner of GTX 1060 (6GB) with zero need of RT I will gladly go for the 7800XT instead of RTX 4070 any day of the week ( ͡◔ ͜ʖ ͡◔)
GTX 1070 owner here and I agree with you on that!
I went into MicroCenter for a 7800 XT Pulse from Sapphire, and it was completely sold out. So I ended up with a reference 6950 XT for $599, which is kind of absurd. Other than needing a custom fan curve to tame the beast, it's worked out.
now its 549 and i keep comparing it to the 7800 XT's that are starting at 499 and the 4070 that starts at 529 (at microcenter GA)
I bought my 6800 xt 6 months back. I'm gonna be real with you, I live in the southern US, and that baby heats up the room real good if I push it. At this point, I've stopped maxing things out, undervolted my cpu/gpu, and capped my fps much lower than my monitor can handle in demanding games just to mitigate some of the heat it's spewing into my not so well ventilated room. I'm kinda feeling like I should've gotten the 4070, but the extra vram and much lower price were what put me onto the 6800xt in the first place.
There's a huge gap 7600 at $270 and nothing in between until 7700 XT at $450
True. I'd imagine within the next few weeks we will see the 7700xt get closer to the $400 mark. For now though if one wants an Amd card in the ~300ish range, the best options are the 6700xt and 6700xt if one can find good deals on them.
6700 XT? 4060 Ti 8Gb, 6800?
@@evilleader1991 That's old 2020-2021 cards that will soon all sell out. AMD has no 300-400 dollar RDNA3 GPU
wait for 7600xt and 7700 no xt for same perfomance as old gen
@@dededede9257 AMD already said RDNA 3 lineup is now full
If the RTX 4070 needs a comparison of framerates when using DLSS while the RX 7800 XT renders native, you just know the prices from Nvidia are none-sense. I'm sorry but who would intentionally pay +$500 for a GPU to turn on upscaling?
Yes, you can turn on upscaling with either of those GPUs and some games unfortunately rely on that because of lacking optimization. But I personally would more likely ditch those games until they get patched.
Upscaling is a feature to close the gap between generational uplift in performance. So you shouldn't need that currently at all, especially when you buy a 7800xt or above. The 4070 should at max cost $500...
DLSS is virtually indistinguishable in terms of image quality unless you're side-by-side comparing screenshots and looking for it specifically, which you aren't doing while you're actually playing games. It's just more performance for a marginal decrease in quality you're not going to be able to notice in a practical context anyway. Saying that doesn't count is like saying rasterization doesn't count. That's also a hardware feature that improves performance. You're creating an arbitrary metric because you don't like Nvidia, which is fine, but at least be honest about it.
@@itsaUSBline So why would you skew the comparison then by disabling FSR? Nobody cares about the difference in image quality between FSR and DLSS while playing a game anyway if you already argument like this. Not even to mention that DLSS won't be supported in every game either.
Honestly I couldn't give a shit about Nvidia. I just dislike their pricing because it's disgusting. Why would you pay $100 more for objectively worse performance across the board? A minor difference in artifacts while upscaling..? Ah yeah, you are right... that's probably it - don't kid yourself. CUDA support? You can just use ROCm on RDNA gpus to run CUDA applications. Frame generation? FSR3 is around the corner...
Let's assume Nvidia would actually offer value to gamers here which I don't see honestly. It would still make zero sense to pay $100 on top while trading whatever value you get vs. plain performance. So at least pricing should be even.
But please try to explain why you want people to pay $100 for hot air...
You guys should a new category. Initial price of GPU's vs long term price. As in, how much the wattage will add to your electricity/power bill for x number of years. With a single monitor, with dual monitors, with 3 monitors.
Video card pricing just jumped right now due to the release and out of stock status, wait until sales slow down, maybe holiday time.
Very glad to see AMD cards doing better with RT performance. I wonder if FSR quality will ever catch up to DLSS because thats the main reason i still prefer Nvidia over AMD, aside from AI training
It is actually because 4060 and 4070 are such bad cards
And alsonif they manage to lower the power draw. One reason why I sold my 6900xt nad went for a 4070.
Fsr 3 will be interesting though.
@@IxionDLF true, I play minimum of 4 hours a day, with that 100W difference, that actually equates to $40 a year, and where I live, the electriicty rate is actually lower than national average
@@cks2020693 the power draw is still oftwn overlooked in tests sadly.
@@IxionDLFTbf, the 7800XT is supposed to be *at least* 40W less in power consumption under load compared to the 6800XT.
Keep in mind the 6950XT has INSANE power spikes, enough to trip a lot of power supplies. If going with 6950XT make sure your power supply can handle it.
I have an 850w power supply and have had my 6950xt for a month now, no issues, should I be concerned?
@@BlobertbiglyNo 850w is fine thats what I also run with my 6950 xt just undervolt your gpu if you're worried
I got a Seasonic G12 650W, no issues so far.
What are you talking about? power spikes?
source?
I play on a 4K TV, so often the options for me are "play on 1080p, 1440p or 4k".
With a RTX2080 in BG3 and other titles, playing on 1080p natively (or with DLAA) or 4k with DLSS performance mode runs about the same, but 4k with DLSS can look better in some parts, and either option looks better than 1440p natively or even with DLAA.
In BG3 4k + DLSS performance gives me nice environments, UI and character closeups in exchange for slightly flatter looking distant NPCs when you are zoomed out (esp when zooming out far using NativeCamera mod) - there is just not enough information to make those small avatars look good. 1080p + DLAA gives me better and more 3d looking avatars in less detailed environs and UI. 1440p native gives me overall a more washed out image and the blurriest UI, no matter if DLAA or not due to the non integer scaling nature of the resolution to the display - maybe enabling driver level sharpening could alleviate this issue a bit, but from my experience driver level image sharpening often leads to graphical issues like jittering and texture flickering in games.
Do you have a 7900 xt still? I'm currently choosing my upgrade from a 5600 xt (because I got a nice new UltraW 144hz 1440p monitor and discovered games from the last 5y are a struggle), and considering the bump in every single spec except clock compared to the 7800xt, and the trend of games getting harder to run before they get easier, is it worth the long term ~30% performance bump for the 50% price
They definitely got better with power efficiency
Not much.
What would you get if RX 7800XT and RX 6950XT were at the same price? (they are in my country)
Rx7800xt any day dude , less power draw , av1 encoders , HYPR rx feature only on rx7000 series it's must have ,
120 core AI engine , much more features ,
Now rx7000 GPUs use dual issue compute cores and games yet to optimize to take advantage of them ,
Rx7000 series will just get better in time , I can see another 20% performance with optimization in future drivers .
I will say, both cards make the much cheaper 69xx XT look so good. Better perform for much cheaper. 7800xt is 650euros if not more, 69xx xt used can be had for 500 or less and is faster. I've even seen 6900xts go for 450 euros. And considering a overclock would effectively close the gap between a 6800XT and 6950xt, this really makes the 7800XT look bad. 6800XT performance 3 years later for the 6800XT msrp from 3 years ago...
This is why I don't go amd, atleast try more than nvidia. Atleast Intel is trying for example.
TLOU Part 1 really improves itself a lot since launch (espesially on frame time graph).
What many reviewers didnt test is that with 7700xt and 7800xt AMD released 23.9.1 drivers that introduced Hypr RX technology for RDNA3 cards. I own RDNA2 card so I cannot test it but Id like to see what that new technology can achieve
For now Hyper-Rx is just a 1 stop button to turn on all the features at once. The reason it doesn't work for Rdna 2 (Yet) is that it incorparates the new Anti-Lag + which is exclusive to Rdna 3. What you are probably hoping to see is the new feature from Hyper-Rx called "Fluid Frames" which is basically gonna be Driver Level "Frame Generation" for all Dx 11 and Dx 12 games. That is an exclusive AMD feature, and only for Rdna 3, but it won't come out till early Q1 2024. So we will have to wait a few months to see how that plays out.
@@slickrounder6045yeah that hyper RX feature is tempting but I'd like to see more test to see whether it's a dud or win from AMD
@@HuntaKiller91 Ofcourse we will have to wait a few months till Fluid Frames is available. Its different than regular Fsr 3 Frame Generation which we will be getting in a few days/this month, since it doesn't require a game to be programmed for the Frame Generation, it can just do it at the driver level. I doubt it will be as good as regular Frame Generation from FSR 3/DLSS 3, but its a bonus feature that might be worthwhile on some Dx11 or Dx12 games that don't have native Frame Generation support (i.e the overwhelming majority of them). For now the biggest thing is to see how FSR 3 Frame Generation does, we will have reviews of that shortly, but reports from Digital Foundry (big Hardware tech reviewer in Germany) implied that it seems to be on par with DLSS 3 Frame Generation.
Really annoyed that the default now is upscaling. If I wanted a 1080p experience, I would have just bought a 1080p monitor. I have a 1440p UW for a reason, I like the higher resolution. FSR looks like a blur filter and has annoying artifacts and DLSS has annoying artifacts as well. Both are a pass for me. Now if they can get frame generation working well with little visual issues, I could see that being very valuable for certain games.
I just bought a 7800 XT on launch day, really excited to play Starfield 😁
at where I live, currently, the price difference between the cheapest AIB 7800 XT and 6950 XT is around $80 USD, still undecided after so many reviews, but are leaning towards 7800 XT simply because it is newer tech, therefore should have better support in the coming years over the 6950 XT.
Thanks for this.
Great video and analysis as usual. The question is: Is RT a thing because NVIDA said so? Modern games still look amazing in 4k /1440p without it.
FYI - I ordered a 7800 xt based mostly on your videos - thanks!
I mean cyberpunk is basically, what if you only use Nvidia tech without a good alternative, its a benchmark for years to come since not even the 4090 can full path trace at 60 fps, too bad the company is dropping the engine to use UE 5 instead.
I think the 6900xt would have been a better comparison instead of the 6950xt . 6950xt especially being an OC 6900xt with higher clocks. Great video Daniel. Thanks again.
6950xt actually has faster mem. 18.0gb/s vs 16.0gb/s.
the faster mem are what make the 6750xt and 6950xt such bangers in the 6000 series line up.
got a 6950xt for $500 on ebay 3 months ago and was so afraid i'd regret not waiting for the 7800xt glad to see i wasn't wrong just glad amd got the price right for one of their cards
How did you get those numbers? Every other techtuber shows the 7800XT similar to a 6800 or a 6800XT.
I’m constantly seeing AMDs graphics cards stomp nvidias mid tier cards
While I'm pretty set on getting a 7800 XT later, I'd still like to remind that the 4070 is absurdly energy efficient compared to the AMD cards. It might not offer the best performance at its price point that could be a serious feature to someone building a low power setup.
amd cards are always overvolted, just like their cpus, if you adjust the voltage rising the power limit up you'll get better temps and a better watt/perf, also at stock there's like a 60Watts difference, not that much, easily adjustable
@@riccardotesta987like if the 4070 voltage can’t be lower. The 190/200power draw is the stock setting
Good choice getting the 7800xt. Nvidia's one strength though is its power efficiency on things like the 4070. According to the reviews from both Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed, the 4070 had about a ~45-50w advantage over the 7800xt on average (you can see the results in the 2nd half of both their reviews). That is not an insignificant lead, but its less than one might think (such as from seeing this video which featured a higher power consumption AIB model of the 7800xt). Both cards will get good gains from Undervolting, and all cards should do it, so when you get your 7800xt just try to shave off like ~50w worth of voltage while maintaining stock clocks. With even mediocre Silicon Lottery that should be doable, getting it close to ~200w which would be a Stock 4070 power consumption.
@@slickrounder6045yeah but you can also undervolt the 4070 for a crazy efficient SFF card
@@hotbitch3978 Ofcourse. The 4070 (and every cpu and gpu) should Undervolt. I fully support that. All cards will be much better when Undervolted and Tuned properly.
Personally, I think the best case on going AMD is if you're going to play at 4k. 7900xt/xtx. Because since most AAA games are now requiring you to turn on upscaler and in 4k the difference of fsr/dlss quality are very minimal. Basically AMD offers the best bang for buck 4k experience. For lower res, I think it will still be Nvidia being a lot more efficient. I still don't see the point on turning on fsr in qhd/hd res if it will greatly impacts image quality. Maybe for smaller screens but for 27" and up you will definitely notice the difference.