Anna: "I cut it before I was bit. Before." That's an interesting parallel between Joel and Anna because Anna lied to protect Ellie, to give her a chance at a future, whereas Joel, also lied to protect Ellie from being burdened by a chance/choice that was robbed from her.
@@cristela4034season 2 haters just have to ruin the fun for everyone huh? You ever contemplate the fact that not everyone bows down to your opinion? Let people enjoy things.
Ashley Johnson (Ellies Mom, Anna and VA for Ellie in the games) and Laura Bailey (One of the nurses and VA for Abby in 2nd Game) made this episode so special. Loved all the cameos and the fact that both of them are great friends IRL (and are on Critical Role together.)
Wow I didn't recognize Laura Bailey when I watched it. Of course, she is covered head to toe with surgical PPE and mask. I went back to look, yep, there she is! Terrific, thanks for pointing that out.
Lesser known fact: Laura Bailey also voiced one of the nurses in the first game (as well as a bunch of other nameless NPCs). She technically reprised her role for the show
So one of the nurses was Laura Bailey who voiced Abby. It was eerie and awesome at the same time because we all know what's coming if you've played the game. 😀
Ellie: So time heals all wounds does it? Joel: It wasn’t time that did it….. 😭😭😭😭😭 I played this game 10 years ago and to this day it is one of the single greatest stories ever told. I remember debating with other gamers for over a year about if Joel made the right decision or not. The question of “You have a chance to save the world but the cost is that you lose the person you love the most in the world after already suffering that pain before”. The answer, the REAL answer, is that both Joel and Marlene made the wrong decision, because that decision should’ve been Ellie’s to make. In the Last Of Us (GAME) podcast Neil Druckman talks about how Joel and Marlene had no right to take that choice away from Ellie. She would’ve said yes, and then Joel would have no choice but to respect her wish. She wanted the deaths of all the people she had lost, Riley, Tess, Henry and Sam, to mean something. Even if it cost her her life. And even though a small part of her knows in her heart that Joel was lying to her she feels that she can’t let herself believe that the only person she loves in the world took away her chance to save the world. Also I love that Ashley Johnson got to play Ellie’s mom Anna. It was a beautiful full circle moment that the woman who plays Ellie in the games played her mother in the show. And it sucks that even though we have to wait a couple more years for season 2, it will be worth the wait! Until then, Endure And Survive!
Love it or hate it, the second game was so Incredibly done and well written. It made you feel emotions that you normally would t it makes you see everything as neither right or wrong, just as this one. Hope to see your cut scene reactions!!!
Ramsey said that she played that look as one of disappointment. She knew Joel had lied to her and was giving him one final opportunity to tell her the truth.
It varies how quickly you give after the waters breaks. However stress and physical activity often make the baby come much sooner. I’d say that running and stress definitely helped shake that baby out lol
Ashley Johnson killed it as always, and yes, she played Ellie in the games. I love that they got Laura Bailey to play the nurse (voice of Abby in the second game).
"They say time heals all wounds." "It wasn't time that did it." Damn it, that's almost as emotional as "baby girl." Especially the look on Ellie's face afterwards. If she ever needed proof about Joel's love for her, that did it. And then afterwards with "I'm glad that didn't work out," followed by "Me too" and then both of them hastily getting up and walking. Totally in character as both of them are not people who express emotion easily given all the damage they've suffered.
It's giving romantic undertones, honestly. I feel like you wouldn't see the same lovey dynamics in a mother-son scenario or a father-son. It's like Joel is unhinged and can't let Sarah's death go so Ellie has become this convenient replacement.
There’s a reason Joel straight up lies to Ellie regarding what happened, because he knows Ellie most likely would’ve gone through with it regardless of the risks.
@@yanksrgreat because they have an opportunity to save the world through a single sacrifice. Marlene made the wrong choice by not informing Ellie, but Joel was completely wrong by massacring an entire crew
@@yanksrgreat I think it’s also to do with guilt of the fact she’s supposed to look after Ellie, along with how she doesn’t want Ellie to have any fear. I do think Ellie would agree but I think Marlene was also in the wrong for not letting Ellie know. Both Joel and Marlene are both in the wrong here for different reasons
@@yanksrgreat Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene woke Ellie up and explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
@@jhornacekthis!!! 100%. At least now Joel will.allow Ellie to grow up.more bc she's really just 14byears old...can she really consent? After Ellie is 18 then Joel can tell her the truth and then she can make a choice. I'm also VERY skeptical as to their ability to make an actual cure and or vaccine. That's a VERY difficult process and I don't think they r capable of producing this vaccine despite the fireflies hopes
I can relate to what Anthony is saying about the show vs. the game. I think part of it is because in the game, you're an active participant and you're more emotionally attached to it than the show. In the show, you're watching everything as a spectator and are not experiencing it as an active participant. It's kind of like reading a book vs. watching the movie version of it. The book tends to be more detailed than the movie. Just my take.
What you said it's what happened with LOTR book vs the movie really the movie actually rushed a lot of plotpoint from the book but even then it's still one of the best trilogy ever made
the second game is completely different from the first one. second part is one of those "love it or hate it" pieces of media. I personally think as an idea, as a concept it's better than the first one. It makes you feel conflicted which is not a lot of games do. it's a different experience for everybody, you have to decide for yourself.
I think some people hated the second game because the story got leaked. Instead of just experiencing the game, they read the spoilers and then immediately decided they hated it.
@@LenaKolchuk Yup. I avoided the spoilers and thought part 2 was great. You may not like what's happening, but you understand why people do what they do.
@@freddied8479 yeah, at this point everybody in the game did some fucked up stuff, some just did more than others, no one is good, but also no one is evil. you clearly see why the characters do what they do, even though some things they do are completely irrational. they are just soooo traumatized, it's hard to blame them
Part 2 just descended into the tired old "Vengeance is bad m'kay" morbid story that's been told a million times before. I've never once replayed it. Unlike the first game (and this first season) which is a perfect, self-contained piece of storytelling.
I actually didn't know you had the option *not* to shoot the nurses in the game. I didn't even question it, I just mowed everyone down to save my precious Ellie.
I feel like their connection in the show was done almost perfectly, its just impossible to replicate the feeling from the game where it was us and Ellie fighting for our lives, also had much more downtime for idle chat, which would not work as much here (they did just enough of it to me).
I find a lot of people who had issues with show Joel and Ellie not feeling as bonded (I had no issue) were taking Joel's feeling for her, and putting their own feelings in. Lots of people got attached to Ellie immediately, but that's definitely not the case for Joel. I think my fave showing of their connection was when Joel was talking to Tommy about failing her 😭
@@Peeplii Yeah I agree with you. To me show Joel seemed to open up and bond with Ellie faster than in the game, game Joel still seemed rather reserved even buy the end, while show Joel had that "time wasn't what healed it" line that just felt perfect.
@Henrique I agree! I find he was more accepting of her in this version, and game Joel still had a slight coldness to him. I love both so much and I love how the two mediums are the same but also different. Him staying awake all night on watch, the panic attacks he had over her, the speech he gave Tommy, and then time heals line? So 🤌 chefs kiss
I think it could use a little more time to work with Joel and Ellie. Maybe it's because I have played the game so many times that it didn't hit me as hard when it ended. Honestly, I just want more Ellie and Joel.
I now know why Ashley Johnson had a hair color change during Critical Role. Always wondered about that. I just looked up the IMDB and Laura Bailey was one of the nurses! I KNEW IT! She was one of the voice actors for them. That's great!
Sorry you guys got spoiled for Part 2. I will say though that I think even now there's still a certain amount of manufactured outrage around it, which started before the game released and painted it in a negative light for a lot of people going in. I think if the plot hadn't leaked the overall reception might have been more positive and for what it's worth, I think the story it tells is still really strong. Just hope you guys are able to enjoy it with an open mind. Thanks for reacting to this series, it's been a lot of fun going on the ride with you both!
I don't know the name of the guy on the left reacting, but watching him use 99.9999999% of his brainpower to not comment/spoil/react on whatever his other Cavazos theorizes is honestly the most adorable thing ever 🤣 My mom who was OBSESSED with the Walking Dead asks me every Sunday for spoilers relentlessly (she knows I played the game) and it's SO funny lol.
I 100% disagree with dropping the entire show because of that spoiler. Some ppl dont like it but if you play the game it makes sense. Also there is still a lot more to that story and the journey it creates. I dont think its something so wild to just drop the series forever haha.
*The Last of Us* S1 Episodes Ranked 1. 1x08: "When We Are in Need" 2. 1x01: "When You're Lost in the Darkness" 3. 1x07: "Left Behind" 4. 1x05: "Endure and Survive" 5. 1x09: "Look for the Light" 6. 1x03: "Long, Long Time" 7. 1x06: "Kin" 8. 1x02: "Infected" 9. 1x04: "Please Hold to My Hand"
Nope, she isn't an adult to make a death-life decision for herself. That is what parents do. That is what responsible adults should do even if it isn't your kid (but that kid has no one else that would take care of them). Joel never regrets this decision (which he confirms several years later) and there is no reason to.
The fireflies were just dead wrong for not waking up Ellie, it doesn't matter if she would have consented, it's the fact they didn't even want to entertain the idea the CHILD would say no, drugged her up and took her directly to DIE. She also had just gone through attempted SA, the whole situation with Henry/Sam, and having to kill Riley. She shouldn't have a choice. At least, not in that exact moment. Ellie literally been through hell, ofc she would just want to die. But we've seen that before all that shit, she was actually a very lively kid. She deserved a chance to work on all that trauma before deciding to be the cure or not. Any parent in Joel's place would've done the exact damn thing
#1 They should have asked. #2 They should have tried to make a vaccine without killing her first and #3 If you want to be really Machiavellian/ruthlessly effective about it, breed Ellie (sorry I know eww) and make a bunch of test babies (also eww). Don't kill the ONE person you know is immune and risk it all in one shot.
@@Cert1f1edM1dget yeah that’s the thing, I agree with what Joel did personally but like you said actions have consequences and I also understand how what he did leads to stuff happening in the future. Even though from our perspective he’s in the right, to a lot of others in that world especially. He’s in the wrong and is selfish
Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
The second game was the best gaming experience of my life. Period The range of emotions that game force you to live is crazy. Some people disagree with the choice the writers made, but it is a great story with incredibly strong messages.
I don't think the story and premise of the 2nd game is bad but the execution for me was horrible (other than graphics, animation, music, acting, and gameplay).
What I don't understand is why Marlene didn't talk to Ellie about the whole situation and be honest with her before prepping her for surgery. Why does she have to do it right away? They just crossed the country. At least give Joel and Ellie a day or two to recovery and catch up with things with the Firefly. I mean I kind of understand. Marlene doesn't want Ellie to be afraid and change her mind. So in a way, both Marlene and Joel are guilty of taking that decision away from Ellie. Spoilers Joel messed up. If you want to destroy weed, you need to kill the root, not just the plants. Letting the nurses survive will be his own undoing.
This is the crux of it for me. Not wanting Ellie to be afraid is not a good enough reason to kill her without clear consent. Marlene thinks she knows what Ellie might have wanted, but thinking is not knowing. (And yes, Ellie likely would have wanted it, but Marlene didn't know that for sure.)
Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene woke Ellie up and explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
They zoomed in on the doctor. So you know they are going in hard with that plot line for part II. I personally loved it, because just like in real life, every story has two sides...your "hero" may be someone else's "villain" and vice versa.
Even when I played the game years ago, what Joel did always felt "wrong" to me. But yeah that's also what I loved about it, you usually don't see morally grey situations like this in a game
13:16 THANK-YOU!!!! People give Joel so much crap for what he did but no one questions why Marlene was so afraid to get consent from Ellie. "You know she would of wanted this" is not consent.
They both were making parental decisions without input from the child. Except Marlene dumped Ellie with FEDRA as a baby and had nothing to do with her life, to the point she had to introduce herself when she and Ellie met in E1. Joel, on the other hand, stuck by her side for the better part of a year, guided her across the country and protected her with his life. Joel has a right to act like a parent. Marlene has NONE.
@@mst3KGf she's the leader and leaders make tough decisions. If there's a chance no matter how small you absolutely 100% take that chance under these circumstances. Could they have handled it better.....of course but at the end of the day Ellie would have to die regardless if she didn't want too(she wanted it tho). I understand Joel but in my opinion he was being extremely selfish here. And that decision came back to bite his ass.
@@bigpoppa3999 Yea Ellie would have died thinking that, however her life still wouldn't have mattered. The Fireflies were in zero position to actually mass produce and distribute a cure even IF they could properly synthesize one (which is doubtful, given the state of tech). At the end of the day this is about the fall of humanity, not some inspiring last minute hail mary to restore society.
It's true they should have asked Ellie first so she could have consented, but that's really missing the whole point. Joel knows Ellie would have said yes if they did ask her. Why do you think he's so conflicted when he actually gets her in his arms and looks at her? Why do you think he lies to her after the fact? Joel knows what Ellie wanted to do, but he couldn't bare losing another daughter so he saved her, even knowing it wouldn't have been what she wanted. That's the point and that's the reason the ending is so beautiful and nuanced
Everyone made choices in this episode but the one person who had the right to make them - Ellie. Marlene and Joel were equally wrong. This is Ellie's choice, and she deserves to make it clearly, with all the facts. Stop wondering what she'd want, stop thinking about what you want - ask her.
IDK but the entire sequence of Joel murdering all the Fireflies reminded me of Rick from the walking dead when he has his murder jacket on. Absolute beasts
The fact that making so close to the story of the game made this show one of the best ever made shows how genius Druckmann is to create this fantastic story
Second game is a absolute masterpiece... its a very tough life lesson for many but its a bone fide masterpiece and honestly if you don't experience it and hurt and love and hate it for oneself..then you are doing yourself an injustice.
You kind of missed the knife her mom killed the infected with. The same one Ellie's had all this time. The difference with playing a game and watching a series is that your focus in the game is always going to be somewhat different because people want the action. Some gamers don't even care about stories and only about the action. I played the game and watched this series and I loved the series because they added a lot of human interaction stories which really helped flesh out (sic) the story. As far as the next season, I'm fairly positive it will have more differences and additional character interactions to flesh out the story more. Great reactions! 🔥👍
If the cordyceps had killed Sarah, Joel's decision might've been different. Humanity took Sarah from Joel. Humanity tried to take Ellie from him, too. As far as he's concerned, humanity doesn't need or deserve saving. And, as a parent, I can honestly say I would've done the same.
Sarah and Ellie are two sides of the same coin. Sarah had a chance to live, but was killed without her consent because someone thought it would benefit others. Marlene tried to do the same to Ellie. (And no, Ellie didn't consent. The fact that she likely would have isn't relevant.)
I just want to say you missed Troy Baker (who voiced Joel) in the last episode however I dig the both of your reaction to the series, you both keep reacting to the up coming episodes(& don't bother with the nay saying spoilers) I'll be watching.
You had Joel and Ellie interact a bit before and after you saw Frank and bill they interacted enough with each other and episode 4 Joel opened up by laughing at Ellie's joke at the end
As someone who have played both games thoroughly, I can definitely say that I'm not too excited to see the adaptation part II for the second season (only due to the fans reactions). I very much enjoyed the second game, (dare I say more than the first one). I don't think that you guys learning the context of the spoiler will help you change your opinion about it, based off of what I've seen from other people. I don't believe that there are any people in the middle for the second game. Everybody is strongly on one side of the other. As for this episode, I really enjoyed it and I'm glad that the adaptation was truly faithful to the game. Truly successful.
My blood boils about the lack of consent from Ellie. She is a traumatized child and Joel did the right thing. She needs to have more maturity to make a decision and not have it based on all the loss she recently experienced. And they need a better scientist rather than a doctor who wants to yank out her brain.
And it's the way they were about to take her brain off all based on THEORIES? Joel was knocked out for a few hours at most, you're telling me they just got their hands on their first and only immune patient and instead of idk, doing some exams and making sure they weren't killing her for nothing, they just rushed her into surgery?
@@blurrylinesx8039 To put it mildly, the Fireflies are not anyone you would count on to actually pull something like this off. It's why I have no faith in them to actually process a cure for anything. Everything was a low-rent, barely cobbled together operation from them.
I think Joel did the right thing, however his biggest issue with what makes him wrong is lying to Ellie afterwards. That’s what causes issues with trust
Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
I'm gonna go ahead and assume what the spoiler you're talking about is (I won't say it too, so I don't spoil anyone who didn't play the game), and I have to say, even though it seems bad without context, it set everything into motion in the second game. And I'll go against what your friends told you and say: the second game is very, very good. It's an emotionally scarring experience, something I haven't felt with any other game ever. But it's very worthwhile. You should definitely play the game, not just watch the cutscenes, just so you're fully invested in the events, and especially you should go into it with an open mind. I think Neil Druckmann definitely took some risks with the second game, and even though it was hard to accept and wasn't what I was expecting, it gave me an incredible experience. One that couldn't be achieved without that event. Take that as you will. As for this season, I thought it was really good. I also preferred the game, but the show managed to capture the magic of it. It is very faithful to the source material, and I enjoyed the additions to the story that kinda only work in this format (the Bill episode and the scene with Ellie's mom at the beginning of this episode). And yes, the scene with Ellie's mom wasn't in any of the games.
Of course there are going to be more moments in TLOUS the game vs the Show, you're talking about spending 9 hours with characters versus spending 40+ Hours with them. Big difference in time that allows for a much deeper connection between the two.
There was an interview with an epidemiologist, and he said the last thing you would do with the only immune person is kill her. Marlene is nuts and there really aren't that many people left to save that are worth saving.
episode definitely needed more flamethrower murder, but other than that is was good :) (and yeah, that event you had spoiled is where i stopped watching the 2nd game playthrough i watched back in the day. it's such a cliche and was done really badly.)
Love yalls content, love yalls channel! Really hope you reconsider playing the second game, if the first one was a perfect game the second one is a 9/10. At minimum hope y’all watch season 2 when it comes out. Awesome reaction!
So cool to see Ashley play Anna aka Ellie’s mom, having game Ellie birth her show counterpart is so poetically beautiful to me but in terms of Joel’s decision and actions at the end to me they are completely justified, as a father myself I would’ve done the same to get to either of my daughters especially after what the Fireflies have done in the name of ‘revolution’
a great episode the woman who plays Ellie's mother she played Ellie in the game that's really cool because in episode 8 we saw the guy who played Joel in the game and now we're seeing the woman who played Ellie in the game
Ashley Johnson! Ellie’s knife. Marlene is best friends with Ellie’s mom. Damn drs and fireflies not telling Ellie she’s not going to survive the procedure. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town?
Love you guys! The difference in reactions to the giraffe scene really shows how people who played the games react vs. those who are enjoying it as a show. ❤️
this adaptation was great. No is game better? Yes but im also nostalgic. For seeing spoilers I would recommend a walk through with someone skilled/on easy instead of just a cutscene thing. A lot of nuance in the 2nd game and 1st game is in non cut scenes .
That's what I said. If they would have just explained and asked Ellie in front of Joel, so if Ellie agreed to die for the cure, then Joel might have actually allowed it. Also, I feel like this is perfect as-is, there's almost no reason to make the second season. But of course, they will. So of course, I'll watch it.
Thing is, no matter what Ellie said, its bigger than her and they would have operated on her regardless. Didn’t matter how she felt about it, so might as well not scare her. They weren’t gonna let her go if she said "no". At the end of the day, its 1 kid vs Humanity.
Joel would never have let Ellie go through with the surgery. No one would have been able to convince him to let that happen, even Ellie. He would rather Ellie be alive and hate him then for her to be dead.
Not only was Abby one of the nurses from part 2 of the game. Just finished listening to the companion podcast hosted by Troy they said she was also one of the reporters in the first episode i believe. So full circle and the actress even posed with her "father" on the floor and sent it to them lol
You probably should play Part II, it's not as bad as people say. It is a dark game though, I was emotionally drained at the end. But I still think it's worth playing, at least once.
At the cost of the whole world? And ultimately, shouldn't Ellie have a say? At this point, there is this big lie underlying the relationship. And is Joel really doing this for her or for himself at this point?
@Brian Ng Joel saw Ellie go through hell by his side for the past few months. He can see she no longer is the kid he left with, the one that still wanted to live and see the world despite how ugly it could get. Both Joel and Marlene were wrong and just like Joel, Marlene also knew that, because even if Ellie did consent, they should've waked her up and explained the procedure to her. She didnt because she was a coward and couldnt fully face what she was about to do. Would you, as a parent, let your extremely traumatized child let her make the call to die, knowing fully well she indeed had plans of a future weren't she so broken currently? And also, Joel spent a few hours asleep at most and that was the doctor's first contact with Ellie. In his eyes, all he was seeing was some very incompetent ppl that were fully ready to open Ellie's brain based on empty theories and nothing more. No exams, no guarantees she would've died for something. Nothing
@@brianng8350 A vaccine in this world wouldn't save anything. What people have become are the problem. Cults like Davids, raiders, slavers and others would laugh at a vaccine like republicans did in the USA concerning covi...
@@blurrylinesx8039 I am not arguing neither "for" or "against" since there is no real clear answer. I was just arguing if the decision should be that clear cut /easy -with so much as stake. As you and I both agree, Joel is flawed in his choice as well. If I had to make a choice, I want to say I want to talk it through, but clearly, there is no talking to the Firefly. But to your last point, frontier science is always a work in progress. people have died trying to find artificial heart, or find cures for AIDS, cancer, smallpox, and every other illness in history. It is trial and errors. If the show/game has any realism, it would be the same. There is no guarantee in life.
Love "I shot the nurses too", haha. I am not a game player and I was straight up yelling at Joel to shoot them! Why would you leave witnesses? I'd torch the place too.
@Andrew Jamison I agree that adapting a longer game into 9-10 hours of TV is difficult. Just pointing out that the first game wasn't that much longer. Even with the DLC. My biggest complaint is that there is a lot less of the combat in the game. In the 1st game, combat was split about 60/40 in favor of fighting humans vs. infected. There are only a few scenes fighting anything, whereas in the game, you're fighting infected right up until the end with the fireflies.
Marlene said there is no one else, but the 1st episode the kid they injected cause he tested positive wasn't showing signs, coughing or twitching and from other scenes it seems like it is somewhat fast in taking over. The kid was walking pretty slow and was far enpugh away it had to take him a little bit and we didn't see him attacked so that would have been before it showed him walking cause I don't feel like it would have happened in town. So could there be others but the people on the front lines are killing other immune people because they don't understand or don't know the people are immune or wont listen tothem if they try telling them they are immune
Anna: "I cut it before I was bit. Before."
That's an interesting parallel between Joel and Anna because Anna lied to protect Ellie, to give her a chance at a future, whereas Joel, also lied to protect Ellie from being burdened by a chance/choice that was robbed from her.
Joel really said “fuck humans, it’s just Ellie and me for life!”
@@Randomyoutubecommenter Season 2 can't get here sooner
@@rusenakman Season 2 will be crap. The reason I didn't even bothered watching this season was because I know what's gonna happen.
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@@cristela4034season 2 haters just have to ruin the fun for everyone huh? You ever contemplate the fact that not everyone bows down to your opinion? Let people enjoy things.
Ashley Johnson (Ellies Mom, Anna and VA for Ellie in the games) and Laura Bailey (One of the nurses and VA for Abby in 2nd Game) made this episode so special. Loved all the cameos and the fact that both of them are great friends IRL (and are on Critical Role together.)
Wow I didn't recognize Laura Bailey when I watched it. Of course, she is covered head to toe with surgical PPE and mask. I went back to look, yep, there she is! Terrific, thanks for pointing that out.
Lesser known fact: Laura Bailey also voiced one of the nurses in the first game (as well as a bunch of other nameless NPCs). She technically reprised her role for the show
So one of the nurses was Laura Bailey who voiced Abby. It was eerie and awesome at the same time because we all know what's coming if you've played the game. 😀
Didn't even noticed that. Nice.
Yea worst sequel in videogames history
@@rousrouslan4023 best you mean :)
@@rousrouslan4023 best one fr!
I was wondering if they were gonna show a smaller abby
Man, seeing the game's cast being part of the show makes the gamer in me so darn happy
The funny thing about Laura Bailey (Abby in Part 2) playing the nurse is that she voiced that character in Part 1.
Fun fact the side he "shot and missed" on is his bad ear side. Explains his bad hearing on that side even more
Nice catch
he literally said that it was from being shot at when he explained why his hearing is bad before
@@charlieg2262 I got the impression it was shooting in general. So he told Ellie to stick to her knife if she can.
"Fun fact" that was explained in the show directly between the characters
@@charlieg2262 Yeah because he was gonna just tell some random girl the real reason why.
Ellie: So time heals all wounds does it?
Joel: It wasn’t time that did it…..
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I played this game 10 years ago and to this day it is one of the single greatest stories ever told. I remember debating with other gamers for over a year about if Joel made the right decision or not. The question of “You have a chance to save the world but the cost is that you lose the person you love the most in the world after already suffering that pain before”. The answer, the REAL answer, is that both Joel and Marlene made the wrong decision, because that decision should’ve been Ellie’s to make. In the Last Of Us (GAME) podcast Neil Druckman talks about how Joel and Marlene had no right to take that choice away from Ellie. She would’ve said yes, and then Joel would have no choice but to respect her wish. She wanted the deaths of all the people she had lost, Riley, Tess, Henry and Sam, to mean something. Even if it cost her her life. And even though a small part of her knows in her heart that Joel was lying to her she feels that she can’t let herself believe that the only person she loves in the world took away her chance to save the world.
Also I love that Ashley Johnson got to play Ellie’s mom Anna. It was a beautiful full circle moment that the woman who plays Ellie in the games played her mother in the show. And it sucks that even though we have to wait a couple more years for season 2, it will be worth the wait!
Until then, Endure And Survive!
That joel wick scene was stunningly shot... the music..the implied destruction..the desperation..it was beautiful in a way... 10/10 ending...
Singing "Take on me" to Ellie at the start was spot on given the 2nd game, loved it 👍
Love it or hate it, the second game was so Incredibly done and well written. It made you feel emotions that you normally would t it makes you see everything as neither right or wrong, just as this one. Hope to see your cut scene reactions!!!
That look of pain in Ellie’s eyes knowing Joel is lying… Bella Ramsey did an amazing Job.
Ramsey said that she played that look as one of disappointment. She knew Joel had lied to her and was giving him one final opportunity to tell her the truth.
It varies how quickly you give after the waters breaks. However stress and physical activity often make the baby come much sooner. I’d say that running and stress definitely helped shake that baby out lol
Plus it's Ellie. She doesn't do anything half-assed.
@@KW-ps6hk right! lol
Love watching him smile during the watch during horrible scenes. Just shows how much he enjoyed the game and still enjoying it
............ yeahhhh I'm not sure about that lol
He's just a bad person
@@Texmexrex cool story
Interesting how to some of the people here, not reacting the same way they did to a TV show adaptation makes them a bad person
Dudes a serial killer probably
"were eating giraffe tonight" -anthony....U MONSTER LMAO
12:15
Laura Bailey (actor for Abby from the second game) cameos here as the nurse on the left.
Ashley Johnson killed it as always, and yes, she played Ellie in the games.
I love that they got Laura Bailey to play the nurse (voice of Abby in the second game).
She also played that nurse in the first game too.
I thought the whole season was truly amazing. Not a gamer. This show really pulls at the heart strings. Can't wait to see season 2.
Kacee: "Oh wait. No. That's not her."
The ones who know: "Oh, but it is. It is her."
Love your reactions, y'all!
It’s been all building towards Kacee’s reaction to this episode. Can’t wait to get into this one 😏
"They say time heals all wounds."
"It wasn't time that did it."
Damn it, that's almost as emotional as "baby girl." Especially the look on Ellie's face afterwards. If she ever needed proof about Joel's love for her, that did it.
And then afterwards with "I'm glad that didn't work out," followed by "Me too" and then both of them hastily getting up and walking. Totally in character as both of them are not people who express emotion easily given all the damage they've suffered.
It's giving romantic undertones, honestly. I feel like you wouldn't see the same lovey dynamics in a mother-son scenario or a father-son.
It's like Joel is unhinged and can't let Sarah's death go so Ellie has become this convenient replacement.
@@deepforestfire I wouldn't say it had romantic undertones, but there is something disturbing about it.
@@deepforestfire If you got romantic undertones from that, you should probably be on a watchlist.
@@deepforestfirebro what 💀
@@deepforestfire "It's giving romantic undertones, honestly"
But... but... but... just why dude
“That Girl Played Ellie”
Plays* Ellie
Ashley Johnson Still Has Alot Of Work For
‘The Last Of Us Part III’
The Last Of Us Part 3 is going to be Epic!
can't wait for the game TLOU Part III, plus season 2 is going to be nuts, if you know you know 😏
@@sonichedgehog1392 Hell Yeah It Is
There’s a reason Joel straight up lies to Ellie regarding what happened, because he knows Ellie most likely would’ve gone through with it regardless of the risks.
then why didn't marlene ask ellie when she had the chance? small chance ellie says no then marlene forces her anyway
@@yanksrgreat because they have an opportunity to save the world through a single sacrifice. Marlene made the wrong choice by not informing Ellie, but Joel was completely wrong by massacring an entire crew
@@yanksrgreat I think it’s also to do with guilt of the fact she’s supposed to look after Ellie, along with how she doesn’t want Ellie to have any fear. I do think Ellie would agree but I think Marlene was also in the wrong for not letting Ellie know. Both Joel and Marlene are both in the wrong here for different reasons
@@yanksrgreat Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene woke Ellie up and explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
@@jhornacekthis!!! 100%. At least now Joel will.allow Ellie to grow up.more bc she's really just 14byears old...can she really consent? After Ellie is 18 then Joel can tell her the truth and then she can make a choice. I'm also VERY skeptical as to their ability to make an actual cure and or vaccine. That's a VERY difficult process and I don't think they r capable of producing this vaccine despite the fireflies hopes
I can relate to what Anthony is saying about the show vs. the game. I think part of it is because in the game, you're an active participant and you're more emotionally attached to it than the show. In the show, you're watching everything as a spectator and are not experiencing it as an active participant. It's kind of like reading a book vs. watching the movie version of it. The book tends to be more detailed than the movie. Just my take.
Yeah there are very few adaptations that stick exactly to the sources depth and detail.
Also the show was 8 hrs and the game was like 30+hrs
The performances in the game were much better imo
What you said it's what happened with LOTR book vs the movie really the movie actually rushed a lot of plotpoint from the book but even then it's still one of the best trilogy ever made
I actually never realized how much the dude laughs when someone died until he pointed it out😭
the second game is completely different from the first one. second part is one of those "love it or hate it" pieces of media. I personally think as an idea, as a concept it's better than the first one. It makes you feel conflicted which is not a lot of games do. it's a different experience for everybody, you have to decide for yourself.
I think some people hated the second game because the story got leaked. Instead of just experiencing the game, they read the spoilers and then immediately decided they hated it.
@@freddied8479 it's certainly one of the reasons
fully their fault though 😂
@@LenaKolchuk Yup. I avoided the spoilers and thought part 2 was great. You may not like what's happening, but you understand why people do what they do.
@@freddied8479 yeah, at this point everybody in the game did some fucked up stuff, some just did more than others, no one is good, but also no one is evil.
you clearly see why the characters do what they do, even though some things they do are completely irrational. they are just soooo traumatized, it's hard to blame them
Part 2 just descended into the tired old "Vengeance is bad m'kay" morbid story that's been told a million times before. I've never once replayed it. Unlike the first game (and this first season) which is a perfect, self-contained piece of storytelling.
I actually didn't know you had the option *not* to shoot the nurses in the game. I didn't even question it, I just mowed everyone down to save my precious Ellie.
I feel like their connection in the show was done almost perfectly, its just impossible to replicate the feeling from the game where it was us and Ellie fighting for our lives, also had much more downtime for idle chat, which would not work as much here (they did just enough of it to me).
I find a lot of people who had issues with show Joel and Ellie not feeling as bonded (I had no issue) were taking Joel's feeling for her, and putting their own feelings in. Lots of people got attached to Ellie immediately, but that's definitely not the case for Joel. I think my fave showing of their connection was when Joel was talking to Tommy about failing her 😭
@@Peeplii Yeah I agree with you. To me show Joel seemed to open up and bond with Ellie faster than in the game, game Joel still seemed rather reserved even buy the end, while show Joel had that "time wasn't what healed it" line that just felt perfect.
@Henrique I agree! I find he was more accepting of her in this version, and game Joel still had a slight coldness to him. I love both so much and I love how the two mediums are the same but also different. Him staying awake all night on watch, the panic attacks he had over her, the speech he gave Tommy, and then time heals line? So 🤌 chefs kiss
I think it could use a little more time to work with Joel and Ellie. Maybe it's because I have played the game so many times that it didn't hit me as hard when it ended. Honestly, I just want more Ellie and Joel.
@@peace4myheart That's fair lol, I can't say I don't feel the same, I think leaving us wanting more is a good sign of their chemistry.
I now know why Ashley Johnson had a hair color change during Critical Role. Always wondered about that.
I just looked up the IMDB and Laura Bailey was one of the nurses! I KNEW IT! She was one of the voice actors for them. That's great!
Sorry you guys got spoiled for Part 2. I will say though that I think even now there's still a certain amount of manufactured outrage around it, which started before the game released and painted it in a negative light for a lot of people going in. I think if the plot hadn't leaked the overall reception might have been more positive and for what it's worth, I think the story it tells is still really strong. Just hope you guys are able to enjoy it with an open mind. Thanks for reacting to this series, it's been a lot of fun going on the ride with you both!
Part 2 is a phenomenal extention of the story that is The Last Of Us.
I don't know the name of the guy on the left reacting, but watching him use 99.9999999% of his brainpower to not comment/spoil/react on whatever his other Cavazos theorizes is honestly the most adorable thing ever 🤣 My mom who was OBSESSED with the Walking Dead asks me every Sunday for spoilers relentlessly (she knows I played the game) and it's SO funny lol.
Except for him laughing out loud during the dramatic moments 😂
Whole season was amazing
I 100% disagree with dropping the entire show because of that spoiler. Some ppl dont like it but if you play the game it makes sense. Also there is still a lot more to that story and the journey it creates. I dont think its something so wild to just drop the series forever haha.
It was a 7 year wait for for part 2 after this cliffhanger
Because it wasn't supposed to be a cliffhanger it was supposed to be an ending to a perfect story. But decided to cash-grab
This wasn’t a cliffhanger at all. It’s a perfect ending if they wanted to leave it there
@@nicolasenotiades240 not what the creator said but you probably know better 🤷♂️
*The Last of Us* S1 Episodes Ranked
1. 1x08: "When We Are in Need"
2. 1x01: "When You're Lost in the Darkness"
3. 1x07: "Left Behind"
4. 1x05: "Endure and Survive"
5. 1x09: "Look for the Light"
6. 1x03: "Long, Long Time"
7. 1x06: "Kin"
8. 1x02: "Infected"
9. 1x04: "Please Hold to My Hand"
Why do people feel the need to rank everything
7 is way lower on my list
Nope, she isn't an adult to make a death-life decision for herself. That is what parents do. That is what responsible adults should do even if it isn't your kid (but that kid has no one else that would take care of them). Joel never regrets this decision (which he confirms several years later) and there is no reason to.
The fireflies were just dead wrong for not waking up Ellie, it doesn't matter if she would have consented, it's the fact they didn't even want to entertain the idea the CHILD would say no, drugged her up and took her directly to DIE. She also had just gone through attempted SA, the whole situation with Henry/Sam, and having to kill Riley. She shouldn't have a choice. At least, not in that exact moment. Ellie literally been through hell, ofc she would just want to die. But we've seen that before all that shit, she was actually a very lively kid. She deserved a chance to work on all that trauma before deciding to be the cure or not. Any parent in Joel's place would've done the exact damn thing
#1 They should have asked. #2 They should have tried to make a vaccine without killing her first and #3 If you want to be really Machiavellian/ruthlessly effective about it, breed Ellie (sorry I know eww) and make a bunch of test babies (also eww). Don't kill the ONE person you know is immune and risk it all in one shot.
Exactly. Joel did the right thing from his POV and no one can blame him for it. But actions do have consequences. That karma come quick.
@@Cert1f1edM1dget yeah that’s the thing, I agree with what Joel did personally but like you said actions have consequences and I also understand how what he did leads to stuff happening in the future. Even though from our perspective he’s in the right, to a lot of others in that world especially. He’s in the wrong and is selfish
Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
The second game was the best gaming experience of my life. Period
The range of emotions that game force you to live is crazy. Some people disagree with the choice the writers made, but it is a great story with incredibly strong messages.
I don't think the story and premise of the 2nd game is bad but the execution for me was horrible (other than graphics, animation, music, acting, and gameplay).
I’m sorry but the first game is infinitely better
@@RugBug18 For you
@@Megawaps For everyone
@@RugBug18 Not for this guy and not for me. So you're wrong.
What I don't understand is why Marlene didn't talk to Ellie about the whole situation and be honest with her before prepping her for surgery. Why does she have to do it right away? They just crossed the country. At least give Joel and Ellie a day or two to recovery and catch up with things with the Firefly. I mean I kind of understand. Marlene doesn't want Ellie to be afraid and change her mind. So in a way, both Marlene and Joel are guilty of taking that decision away from Ellie.
Spoilers
Joel messed up. If you want to destroy weed, you need to kill the root, not just the plants. Letting the nurses survive will be his own undoing.
marlene didn't want ellie to refuse and be forced to do it on her
This is the crux of it for me. Not wanting Ellie to be afraid is not a good enough reason to kill her without clear consent. Marlene thinks she knows what Ellie might have wanted, but thinking is not knowing. (And yes, Ellie likely would have wanted it, but Marlene didn't know that for sure.)
Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene woke Ellie up and explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
They zoomed in on the doctor. So you know they are going in hard with that plot line for part II. I personally loved it, because just like in real life, every story has two sides...your "hero" may be someone else's "villain" and vice versa.
joels always been the hero
Even when I played the game years ago, what Joel did always felt "wrong" to me. But yeah that's also what I loved about it, you usually don't see morally grey situations like this in a game
Thank you two for your reaction, both of you make the show more enjoyable. You two were the ones I turned to first for this show and others.
Isn't the house Ellie was born in the one from the 2nd game that she lives in? Had that rusty tractor out front and everything from what I could tell.
13:16 THANK-YOU!!!! People give Joel so much crap for what he did but no one questions why Marlene was so afraid to get consent from Ellie. "You know she would of wanted this" is not consent.
She wanted it tho. Like Ellie said in the second game. "My life would have fucking mattered".
They both were making parental decisions without input from the child. Except Marlene dumped Ellie with FEDRA as a baby and had nothing to do with her life, to the point she had to introduce herself when she and Ellie met in E1. Joel, on the other hand, stuck by her side for the better part of a year, guided her across the country and protected her with his life. Joel has a right to act like a parent. Marlene has NONE.
@@mst3KGf she's the leader and leaders make tough decisions. If there's a chance no matter how small you absolutely 100% take that chance under these circumstances. Could they have handled it better.....of course but at the end of the day Ellie would have to die regardless if she didn't want too(she wanted it tho). I understand Joel but in my opinion he was being extremely selfish here. And that decision came back to bite his ass.
@@bigpoppa3999 Yea Ellie would have died thinking that, however her life still wouldn't have mattered. The Fireflies were in zero position to actually mass produce and distribute a cure even IF they could properly synthesize one (which is doubtful, given the state of tech). At the end of the day this is about the fall of humanity, not some inspiring last minute hail mary to restore society.
It's true they should have asked Ellie first so she could have consented, but that's really missing the whole point. Joel knows Ellie would have said yes if they did ask her. Why do you think he's so conflicted when he actually gets her in his arms and looks at her? Why do you think he lies to her after the fact? Joel knows what Ellie wanted to do, but he couldn't bare losing another daughter so he saved her, even knowing it wouldn't have been what she wanted. That's the point and that's the reason the ending is so beautiful and nuanced
The voice actress for Abby was one of the nurses
She was the nurse in the game as well. Cool stuff!
Everyone made choices in this episode but the one person who had the right to make them - Ellie. Marlene and Joel were equally wrong. This is Ellie's choice, and she deserves to make it clearly, with all the facts. Stop wondering what she'd want, stop thinking about what you want - ask her.
IDK but the entire sequence of Joel murdering all the Fireflies reminded me of Rick from the walking dead when he has his murder jacket on. Absolute beasts
Glad I’m not the only one who thought that lol
The fact that making so close to the story of the game made this show one of the best ever made shows how genius Druckmann is to create this fantastic story
Ashley Johnson gave birth to Ellie twice.
Second game is a absolute masterpiece... its a very tough life lesson for many but its a bone fide masterpiece and honestly if you don't experience it and hurt and love and hate it for oneself..then you are doing yourself an injustice.
You kind of missed the knife her mom killed the infected with. The same one Ellie's had all this time. The difference with playing a game and watching a series is that your focus in the game is always going to be somewhat different because people want the action. Some gamers don't even care about stories and only about the action. I played the game and watched this series and I loved the series because they added a lot of human interaction stories which really helped flesh out (sic) the story.
As far as the next season, I'm fairly positive it will have more differences and additional character interactions to flesh out the story more. Great reactions! 🔥👍
lol ol' boy has the biggest mischief grin when the surgery process is being revealed :D
y’all should post the reaction to the video game cut scenes for the second game if you decide to watch it!
It was a great first season
If the cordyceps had killed Sarah, Joel's decision might've been different. Humanity took Sarah from Joel. Humanity tried to take Ellie from him, too. As far as he's concerned, humanity doesn't need or deserve saving. And, as a parent, I can honestly say I would've done the same.
Sarah and Ellie are two sides of the same coin. Sarah had a chance to live, but was killed without her consent because someone thought it would benefit others. Marlene tried to do the same to Ellie. (And no, Ellie didn't consent. The fact that she likely would have isn't relevant.)
I just want to say you missed Troy Baker (who voiced Joel) in the last episode however I dig the both of your reaction to the series, you both keep reacting to the up coming episodes(& don't bother with the nay saying spoilers) I'll be watching.
16:02 "I feel like thats gonna come back later"
Thank you. I'm like he did not cover that baby's ears up.
Laura Bailey plays the same nurse in the game and the show
i was hoping for them to keep the drowning scene just because how emotional it was for me. hoping for you guys to film your reaction to the cut scenes
So Ellie's origin is the same as Blade? 🙂
Great finale to an outstanding season!
Laura Bailey plays one of the nurses:)
You had Joel and Ellie interact a bit before and after you saw Frank and bill they interacted enough with each other and episode 4 Joel opened up by laughing at Ellie's joke at the end
As someone who have played both games thoroughly, I can definitely say that I'm not too excited to see the adaptation part II for the second season (only due to the fans reactions).
I very much enjoyed the second game, (dare I say more than the first one).
I don't think that you guys learning the context of the spoiler will help you change your opinion about it, based off of what I've seen from other people. I don't believe that there are any people in the middle for the second game. Everybody is strongly on one side of the other.
As for this episode, I really enjoyed it and I'm glad that the adaptation was truly faithful to the game. Truly successful.
LOL the nurses’ comment 😂 me too Anthony… me too 😂
In regards to that part that a lot of people dislike. Actions have consequences. I'll leave it at that.
My blood boils about the lack of consent from Ellie. She is a traumatized child and Joel did the right thing. She needs to have more maturity to make a decision and not have it based on all the loss she recently experienced. And they need a better scientist rather than a doctor who wants to yank out her brain.
And it's the way they were about to take her brain off all based on THEORIES? Joel was knocked out for a few hours at most, you're telling me they just got their hands on their first and only immune patient and instead of idk, doing some exams and making sure they weren't killing her for nothing, they just rushed her into surgery?
@@blurrylinesx8039 To put it mildly, the Fireflies are not anyone you would count on to actually pull something like this off. It's why I have no faith in them to actually process a cure for anything. Everything was a low-rent, barely cobbled together operation from them.
@@blurrylinesx8039 they THINK it COULD be a cure. no definitive answer
I think Joel did the right thing, however his biggest issue with what makes him wrong is lying to Ellie afterwards. That’s what causes issues with trust
Ellie literally has no choice here. Say Marlene explained everything to her. What happens if Ellie says no? Do you really think the Fireflies would accept that and let her go? They've been working on a cure for ~20 years and Ellie is the first immune person they've found. No way they're letting her go. So why offer her a choice when they are going to do the surgery no matter what?
I'm gonna go ahead and assume what the spoiler you're talking about is (I won't say it too, so I don't spoil anyone who didn't play the game), and I have to say, even though it seems bad without context, it set everything into motion in the second game. And I'll go against what your friends told you and say: the second game is very, very good. It's an emotionally scarring experience, something I haven't felt with any other game ever. But it's very worthwhile. You should definitely play the game, not just watch the cutscenes, just so you're fully invested in the events, and especially you should go into it with an open mind. I think Neil Druckmann definitely took some risks with the second game, and even though it was hard to accept and wasn't what I was expecting, it gave me an incredible experience. One that couldn't be achieved without that event. Take that as you will.
As for this season, I thought it was really good. I also preferred the game, but the show managed to capture the magic of it. It is very faithful to the source material, and I enjoyed the additions to the story that kinda only work in this format (the Bill episode and the scene with Ellie's mom at the beginning of this episode). And yes, the scene with Ellie's mom wasn't in any of the games.
Of course there are going to be more moments in TLOUS the game vs the Show, you're talking about spending 9 hours with characters versus spending 40+ Hours with them. Big difference in time that allows for a much deeper connection between the two.
Again Joel earns his name, The Contractor.
There was an interview with an epidemiologist, and he said the last thing you would do with the only immune person is kill her. Marlene is nuts and there really aren't that many people left to save that are worth saving.
episode definitely needed more flamethrower murder, but other than that is was good :)
(and yeah, that event you had spoiled is where i stopped watching the 2nd game playthrough i watched back in the day. it's such a cliche and was done really badly.)
Love yalls content, love yalls channel! Really hope you reconsider playing the second game, if the first one was a perfect game the second one is a 9/10. At minimum hope y’all watch season 2 when it comes out. Awesome reaction!
Quit lying it's not 9/10. You can actually look up the average.
So cool to see Ashley play Anna aka Ellie’s mom, having game Ellie birth her show counterpart is so poetically beautiful to me but in terms of Joel’s decision and actions at the end to me they are completely justified, as a father myself I would’ve done the same to get to either of my daughters especially after what the Fireflies have done in the name of ‘revolution’
a great episode the woman who plays Ellie's mother she played Ellie in the game that's really cool because in episode 8 we saw the guy who played Joel in the game and now we're seeing the woman who played Ellie in the game
Ashley Johnson! Ellie’s knife. Marlene is best friends with Ellie’s mom. Damn drs and fireflies not telling Ellie she’s not going to survive the procedure. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town?
"Stem cells fused with the mushroom tips"
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Love you guys! The difference in reactions to the giraffe scene really shows how people who played the games react vs. those who are enjoying it as a show. ❤️
this adaptation was great. No is game better? Yes but im also nostalgic. For seeing spoilers I would recommend a walk through with someone skilled/on easy instead of just a cutscene thing. A lot of nuance in the 2nd game and 1st game is in non cut scenes .
That's what I said. If they would have just explained and asked Ellie in front of Joel, so if Ellie agreed to die for the cure, then Joel might have actually allowed it. Also, I feel like this is perfect as-is, there's almost no reason to make the second season. But of course, they will. So of course, I'll watch it.
Thing is, no matter what Ellie said, its bigger than her and they would have operated on her regardless. Didn’t matter how she felt about it, so might as well not scare her.
They weren’t gonna let her go if she said "no". At the end of the day, its 1 kid vs Humanity.
Joel would never have let Ellie go through with the surgery. No one would have been able to convince him to let that happen, even Ellie. He would rather Ellie be alive and hate him then for her to be dead.
Not only was Abby one of the nurses from part 2 of the game. Just finished listening to the companion podcast hosted by Troy they said she was also one of the reporters in the first episode i believe. So full circle and the actress even posed with her "father" on the floor and sent it to them lol
You probably should play Part II, it's not as bad as people say. It is a dark game though, I was emotionally drained at the end. But I still think it's worth playing, at least once.
1:12
Anybody who’s ever played the game: “I recognize those grunts from anywhere”
only thing i have beef with in this show is that the finale wasn't two hours long or just longer in general.
I like hearing someone's opinions of Joel's choice who never played the game!
I'm a single father and my daughter's name is Ellie, looking through the lense of a dad I fully support what Joel did 💯
At the cost of the whole world? And ultimately, shouldn't Ellie have a say? At this point, there is this big lie underlying the relationship. And is Joel really doing this for her or for himself at this point?
@Brian Ng Joel saw Ellie go through hell by his side for the past few months. He can see she no longer is the kid he left with, the one that still wanted to live and see the world despite how ugly it could get. Both Joel and Marlene were wrong and just like Joel, Marlene also knew that, because even if Ellie did consent, they should've waked her up and explained the procedure to her. She didnt because she was a coward and couldnt fully face what she was about to do. Would you, as a parent, let your extremely traumatized child let her make the call to die, knowing fully well she indeed had plans of a future weren't she so broken currently? And also, Joel spent a few hours asleep at most and that was the doctor's first contact with Ellie. In his eyes, all he was seeing was some very incompetent ppl that were fully ready to open Ellie's brain based on empty theories and nothing more. No exams, no guarantees she would've died for something. Nothing
@@brianng8350 A vaccine in this world wouldn't save anything. What people have become are the problem. Cults like Davids, raiders, slavers and others would laugh at a vaccine like republicans did in the USA concerning covi...
@@blurrylinesx8039 I am not arguing neither "for" or "against" since there is no real clear answer. I was just arguing if the decision should be that clear cut /easy -with so much as stake. As you and I both agree, Joel is flawed in his choice as well.
If I had to make a choice, I want to say I want to talk it through, but clearly, there is no talking to the Firefly.
But to your last point, frontier science is always a work in progress. people have died trying to find artificial heart, or find cures for AIDS, cancer, smallpox, and every other illness in history. It is trial and errors. If the show/game has any realism, it would be the same. There is no guarantee in life.
[Ellie's mum gets shot]
Anthony: *"EA-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!"*
The way I yelled “FUCK YOU JERRY” when Joel shot him😭
Love "I shot the nurses too", haha. I am not a game player and I was straight up yelling at Joel to shoot them! Why would you leave witnesses? I'd torch the place too.
4:10 "Mushroom tips." lol
Fun Fact: Being as it's Salt Lake City, the Giraffe must of come from the Hogle Zoo! (I live a half hour drive north of SLC).
Love how you laughed. I was doing the same thing because it was one to one of the game
PLAY THE SECOND GAME. There is so much more dialogue in the gameplay. You can't just watch cut scenes.
play the second game for yourself instead of letting other people’s opinions affect your view. experience it for yourself.
context is everything
In the scene at 1:30 it looks like the game entrance scene, that window.
"I went straight Anakin on everyone", my new go to line when playing games now!
"Mushroom tips" - best line ever! ...but "SCORCHED EARTH!" wasn't bad either.
I subscribed at “mushroom tip”😂 now I gotta go through and watch all of y’all’s reations
I agree its very hard to adapt an 20-30 some hour game to 9 episodes on HBO
The first game was 12-15 hours. The second was about 25 hours.
@jmareX including DLC? Even so statement is still true even if game play time is off
@Andrew Jamison I agree that adapting a longer game into 9-10 hours of TV is difficult. Just pointing out that the first game wasn't that much longer. Even with the DLC. My biggest complaint is that there is a lot less of the combat in the game. In the 1st game, combat was split about 60/40 in favor of fighting humans vs. infected. There are only a few scenes fighting anything, whereas in the game, you're fighting infected right up until the end with the fireflies.
I feel the show needed 1 more episode and maybe combine episode 7 in flashbacks instead of a whole episode, just my opinion
Marlene said there is no one else, but the 1st episode the kid they injected cause he tested positive wasn't showing signs, coughing or twitching and from other scenes it seems like it is somewhat fast in taking over. The kid was walking pretty slow and was far enpugh away it had to take him a little bit and we didn't see him attacked so that would have been before it showed him walking cause I don't feel like it would have happened in town. So could there be others but the people on the front lines are killing other immune people because they don't understand or don't know the people are immune or wont listen tothem if they try telling them they are immune