360 Buckhammer vs. 30-30 - Who Packs The Biggest Punch?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2023
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These straight-walled cartridges are an interesting solution to a problem we shouldn’t have to solve.
exactly
Well said!
Cartridge laws are so stupid lol
I’m from up here in Canada. What was the purpose of restricting hunting with the 30-30 win. Straight wall cartridges? I honestly don’t understand the logic behind this.
Exactly Just make it bow shotguns only black powder season
I've used the 30-30, the 35Rem, the 45-70, 357, 41 and 44 Magnums. Deer never complained about any of these.
@RonSpomer0utdoors first day scamming?
A lot of commenters missed the "compliance parameters" of the 360 Buckhammer's design. If 30-30, or 35 Remington, is legal where one hunts, the 360 Buckhammer offers little, but if one wishes to hunt with an actual rifle instead of a rifle barreled shotgun in many places, the Buckhammer is a viable option, but not the only one.
Oh look we are back the 38-55
@@winstonskafte5505 Case length on it is too long.
@@winstonskafte5505that’s bottle necked.
@@danielboggan2479 38-55 is not bottle necked. It is straight walled and slightly larger caliber (also too long for most straight wall states) but lower pressure.
The straight wall case is advantageous for case life also.
They need to bring back the 375 winchester.....I shoot one in the Contender...and it rocks.
35 Remington for 35 years has never let me down. Interesting how In the comparison it falls behind. It's my favorite cartridge of all time... will never give up on her.
Just because it falls behind doesn't mean it can't do its job! It's still a good round.
I'm right there with you, die hard fan of the 35 Remington. A bunch of deer and feral hogs never complained about the 200 gr RN. Interesting thing, I got my Marlin 336 in 35R about 35 years ago too.
I will also add that it's very cool they're making the buck hammer. It's an amazing round and is great for us reloaders as the 35 Remington uses the same projectile. Hornady Interlock for me btw.
The Hornady round for the 35 Remington does 2225 fps and 2198 me, with a 200 grain FTX bullet. The older cartridges are all much better with modern loads.
New cartridges exist only to sell rifles and handguns. There hasn't been a cartridge introduced in the last 25 years which is overwhelmingly superior to anything which went before.
You are correct. I hunt in Lower Michigan. I already have a Marlin 444- not allowed for too long of a case length. I needed something that reached out a little further than my 44mag. 30-30 has a tapered case (not allowed), so bought a 360 buckhammer. Henry sold me a new gun because I couldn't use my 444.
360 ballistics really remind me of the venerable 375 Winchester
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It's practically identical to the now obsolete 356 Win. who failed to catch on.
@@FranzAntonMesmer - well said. Winchester should have done it.
I think the 94 Big Bore AE ( beefed up 94 action) which was designed in accordance with the 356 Win , 375 Win and 444 M was absolutely a great rifle ..
You were born for this, sir! Awesome content as always. Cheers!
I love all the numbers, but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is terminal ballistics and the 35 Remington has proven over and over how well it does that’s not always the fastest cartridge that has the best effect in the woods. I do agree with some earlier posts that it’s likely a marketing gimmick to get something more in the AR platform, which is fine but the 35 rem is awesome.
Awesome video and I wish more people would see this video. “Knock Down Power” is such a Mythical Idea. Too much TV Special Effects has too many people thinking Bullets just Blow things off their feet.
Ron even cowrie an article on this very subject and the TKO methodology which is abused often was discussed. Taylor's Knock Out formula was just what it sounds like, a calculation for estimating the ability of head shots from various calibers to temporarily knock out a large pachyderm when the brain was missed.
"Since he was mainly interested in ivory hunting, Taylor was concerned about the concussion effect of various cartridges on head-shot elephants when the brain itself was missed. According to his tables, a pachyderm would be unconscious for about half an hour when knocked out by a 900-grain slug from a .600 Nitro Express, whereas the beast would remain unconscious only about 20 minutes when hit by the 720-grain bullet from a .577 Nitro-a difference that no doubt has altered the course of history." - Debunking the Infamous Rifle Knockdown Power Myth
The myth goes something like this: Use enough gun and you'll knock down game in its tracks
BY JIM CARMICHEL , RON SPOMER
Outdoor Life
The article goes on to describe a study done where the conclusion on why some shots using the same point of impact and same weapon and ammo combination cause instant and permanent knock down deaths, and others do not is probably sheer coincidental timing of the target animal's heartbeat at the high pressure node causing bursting of blood vessels in the brain, etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_knock-out_factor
That is what they are debating. Kinetic energy alone doesn't describe effectiveness adequately.
My 350 Legend is perfect for me. Smack like a truck, super light recoil, drops them hard. I just can't move from a 30-30 to buckhammer. Some traditions can't be broken.
Thank you for a great review. But it is a shame to see the 35 Rem drop off in popularity which is perfectly capable round in a lever action that I would not hesitate to throw in my scabbard.
I absolutely love my Henry Rifles. Henry for Life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bought a Henry big boy brass in 45 colt with 16" bbl a couple years ago n it's definitely one of my favorites!!very accurate n action is smooth as silk.veey impressed
Sounds like they're working their way back around to the 375 Winchester. 😂
Exactly
The .375 Winchester is the boss! I get 2550 fps using Accurate 1680 powder and a 200 gr. bullet.
@TennesseeFran naw, they just inventing new stuff to keep the cash cow mooing. Just like the golf industry.
35 Remington! There’s a comparison!
I think this new 400 legend is going to be a great round also 👍😊
The 200 grain CoreLokt in the .35 Remington has been a proven deer slayer for many , many years . That bullet in the .35 never fails to perform perfectly . I think the 360 Buckhammer shooting a 200 grain CoreLokt a bit faster than the 'ol .35 Rem. will prove to be the best of all the new cartridges .
Amen! I dearly love my old Marlin SC in .35 Rem., but an ‘updated’ .35 with a little more pep in the Buckhammer, along with that sweet new Henry rifle, is mighty tempting! The .35 with the 200 gr Core-Locts has never failed on a few deer and a bunch of big wild hogs here in Fla.!
@@ev3dale298I mean Buffalo bore hot loads everything. It won’t be long before they start loading a hot 360 buckhammer to and that version will again surpass the 35 Remington.
@@ev3dale298 the bushmaster recoil isn’t bad? I wonder how it compares recoil wise to a 30-06, that’s what I use for all my hunting but have been looking for a less common caliber in my next rifle and 450 bushmaster sounds interesting.
Remington loads are notorious for not meeting their advertised velocities. The Hornady LeverEvolution loads with the flex tip bullet safe for shooting in a tubular magazine are far superior. The LeverEvolution has made legitimate two hundred yard cartridges out of the 30-30 Winchester, 35 Remington, 444 Marlin and 45-70 Gov’t. Probably somewhat farther with a good scope. If I was forced to hunt with a straight walled cartridge I’m going with my 444 or 45-70. I love the Henry rifles but the price is really high for something you’re not going to be able to use for much larger critters. Why not buy a used 444 Marlin or 45-70 so that you could use it for elk, moose or caribou? You might have some money left over for ammunition.😊
@@daveyboy728 I'm 6'1 and 250lb... I've used my 30-06 bolt action for about 30 years now. I ordered the Henry 360 BH when it came out and picked it up a couple of months ago. The 30-06 rattles my teeth with each shot and will bruise my shoulder when having too much fun at the range. The 360 BH is much more civilized. I ran a box through it when sighting it in (that took all of 5 rounds) with no discomfort at all. I would have shot another box through it if I had one at the time... Just my opinion, but if you're in a "straight wall" state or just looking for a new lever gun, the Henry 360 BH is a great choice that will stack up with anything in hunting camp.
Sorry, but I am going to be the old sourdough who refuses to change!!!! The 30-30 has never failed me so I see no reason to change now. To me it is a very capable brush gun for deer hunting. Knowing it's limitations is the key to using the 30-30. I have shot deer out to 100 yards with the 30-30 with no problem. Great video as always.
Exactly when you are hunting in Pennsylvania all deer shots are under 100 yards. Most are 100 feet.
What you say is very true, but the advantage of the straight walled cartridges is that you can take the rifle to other States. If you stay in your own States, fine, but some are lucky enough to get tags in other States.
I hunt in the eastern Adirondacks of NYS. The main reason I carry my grandfather’s Winchester 94 in .30-30 (it has “.30 WCF” on the barrel) is that it’s so light and handy on drives that aren’t flat, to put it mildly. Most shots are under 100 yards. A .30-30 is ideal; I’m also going to be using a Henry in .44 Magnum this season. If I were to see a .360 Buckhammer in my LGS, I don’t know what I would do. Maybe. If I could get it into the house without my wife seeing it …
Wow its like these new straight wall rds aren't meant to replace 30 30 or the other old rds but are ment for the straight wall states
Just moved from the west to Indiana and picked up the 360 Henry and ammo for public land deer hunting
That 360 Buckhammer has a lot of promise and pretty good numbers on paper!
While I love your videos and advice, as well as that from Adam (Who Tee Who) and Jim Harmer (Backfire), being from Michigan I want to clear up what seems to be a misconception. Michigan does NOT require that you hunt with straight-wall cartridges, statewide. Previously, we had a "shotgun boundary" which is a line about halfway up the "mitten" from the wrist, is you will. You could only hunt with a shotgun below that line. That line still exists but, you can now hunt with a shotgun OR straight-wall cartridges. Above this line, you can hunt with anything you choose. Above that line, I hunt with 30-30, 25-06, 308, 30-06, 270 or even 6.5 Creedmoor.
Its north of 57 or 44 if i remember right.
Being from michigan, I want to say, that since we can hunt from tree stands during the gun season, the blue line is useless. If you are shooting down then it does not matter what kind of round youre useing. The bullet is gonna hit the ground.
@@patricktack165 I no longer hunt from a tree stand at all due to a leg injury. That said, the projectile does not go into the ground and it does matter, to me.
@user-cd3oz1uo3u maybe you could also explain why the need for the "line". Never understood that. Got to be political because we all know there is no common sense in politics.
@@easttexan2933 the "line" was created decades ago, primarily based on population. North of that (arbitrary and imaginary) line, population is not as dense. Therefore, hunters can use just about anything - 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, 270 Win, etc. There is also a higher tree and cover density so, a projectile is less likely to travel as far, regardless of the cartridge. South of that line, the opposite is true and still so today. Hope that helps clarify. But to your point, yes, politics is also to blame.
As usual another great and informative video. Thanks for your hard work!
Great video! I'll stick with my 30-30 using Federal Fusion and Hammerdown ammo.
a side note for the 35 Remington - the original published factory load was 200gr at 2180 ....then somewhere over the years dropped to 2080 fps...now Hornady is 2200 fps. I know the vid is about straight wall cartridge, but 35 Remington can go from mild to wild with handloading
Depends on barrel length on “marketing” velocity numbers as well. I load a max book load using 40 grains of varget along with a cast hollow point in my 35 Rem. It averages 2100 fps out of my Chronograph out of a 20” 336 barrel. I also get 2450 fps using 180 grain speer hot cores hand loaded an about a half grain over max book load with zero pressure signs out of a 18.5” barrel. I’ll take the 35 Rem over both.
I don’t know where you get the 35 Rem numbers but the 200 grain core locts are listed at 2100fps. 180 grain ammo is listed 2350 to 2450fps.
Imo the buck hammer is marketing Gimmic velocities. Seems everyone testing them on chronographs on RUclips aren’t getting anywhere near quoted velocities listed vs the manufactures numbers. Still would be a nice AR round.
@@tripplebeards3427 I said 'the original published factory load was 200gr at 2180'....I'm not sure which manual it was but I collect alot of old reloading manuals and old info in general and I feel like it was an older Speer manual referencing the 'factory load'. I didnt have the greatest luck with Varget and 200grs. H-335 has been really great as well as IMR3031and Leverevolution will EASILY get you 2200fps with a 200gr. I shoot alot of cast too and IMR4198 and Reloder 7 are worth a look. Also I'm shooting a Marlin 336 so I feel I can get things a bit hotter than I will shoot in my old 1949 Remington 141 with the 24 inch barrel. If you can track down an old 141 in good shape its a pretty accurate shooter - not sure if its the 24in barrel or because it was made in 1949 when they made everything better lol
@@tripplebeards3427 yeah I was thinking that too but no experience with it. Its alot higher pressure to do the same thing as 35 rem, but if you have a Marlin 336 in 35 rem which is a fairly strong action you can get pretty close to 358 Win velocities - as does the Buffalo Bore ammo
Ron, thanks for all the content you have been putting out the last few years; I find it enjoyable to watch. All you folks quit arguing over the new introductions being unnecessary. They may be - but nobody is forcing you to buy something to replace what you have. It is fun to "argue/debate" the merits over what is best or what works. I for one am glad that new things continue to be brought to market. Instead of Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge or the like, enjoy both instead of disparaging the other. Kind of like surf and turf, not one or the other or gentlemen prefer blondes and redheads and brunettes. Peace out.
Beautiful rifle, regardless of chambering.
.450 Bushmaster also. Little better than all of those in my opinion. ;)
The lil chubby boy .450 is awesome! I really want to get one in a smaller lightweight AR platform one day
Agreed, for me anyway, but If a person shoots better with a smaller caliber I won't hold it against them, accuracy over power.
Ron I agree , all these calibers are fantastic and do a great job on all the venison we are after ! Go out and take your kids hunting and keep the tradition of hunting alive !
Great video Ron, Thanks for the info.
Unless you handload, good luck finding 360 in any gun shops. The 30-30 stands on it's reputation and ammo is readily available, and has taken more deer than the 360!!!
I used to own and handload the 356 Winchester .. which is a child of the 358 Winchester.. but had a semi-rimmed case and the bullet seated a bit deeper … to operate in a 94 BB & 336 action it operated at 52,000 PSI .. which to me was a bit much for the 336 action ,, but was OK in the beefed up 94 Big Bore action…
It seems to be similar to the
360 BH … problem was … most bullets specifically designed for the 35 Rem didn’t perform in game as well as I expected… cept for two Speer bullets.. the 180 & 220gr FN bullets
As for the 30-30 .. it works .. works well …
The 350 Legend with the 170gr Hornady bullet seems to have a great reputation.. for deep penetration..
The .355 bullet of the 350 L was specifically designed to operate at 350 L velocities, similar to the 30-30 … and Id be surprised if the 400 L doesn’t perform well on game …
As far as I can see the 350 seems to get it done with less fuss
Its not how fast the bullet goes ,
But how it functions ( expands and penetrates) at certain velocities
Another great video Ron! ...Thanks
The 35 Remington was my dear, late FIL favorite cartridge for deer up in Vermont...
I had a Winchester model 94 in 32 special, I wish I still had it.
BEAUTIFUL LOOKING RIFLE!!!
Perfect for deer hunting at ANY deer hunting!
Nice Ron!!
I hand load the 35 Remington with 180 gr bullets and get a chronographed velocity of 2400 fps. Just depends on the powder you use.
Great video. Nothing warms my heart more than lever action rifles and single action revlvers.
I’d love to see a video of the 200 grain Remington Core-Lokt in 35 Remington vs a 200 grain Remington Core-Lokt in 360 Buckhamer.
I have the 350 Legend in the AR15 action. Very nice buffered recoil.
There's a newer new straight wall in a prototype configuration called the 41GI coming out of Michigan it's advertised to shoot a range of bullet grain options and packs a punch that are close to a 300 win mag 150 gr is pushing 2900fps.
It's a beauty !!
Ron, enjoyed the comparison, thanks!
The 360 won’t replace my old 30-30 but living in an area where I need to use the straight wall cartridges the 360 makes sense.
To me, this video demonstrates the wider array of cartridges and calibers. Most bullets are versatile enough to bleed into other realms of capabilities that many rifles offer virtually the same thing. But its the features, the build quality, and the dynamics of each cartridge and rifle that each shooter prefers to hone makes the diversity of shooting so wonderful.
Thank you !
What Ron is saying is that states with shotgun only areas you can now use straight wall cartridges, plus in the same states AR's and AK's are legal , So good luck finding a ditch to dive into.
It's always been my belief that a bullet that goes in and out causes damage but a bullet that enters and stops transfers all that energy into the animal,I honestly believe that's why the 35 Remington kill's so fast the deer or hog eats that energy
Arkansas just changed our rules so you can use straight walls during the newly converted alternative firearms season and Im trying to start hunting
Only have a revolver at the moment
so considering getting a lever action since I could use it in what used to be muzzleloader season and modern gun
Great video Ron.
Hey nothing wrong with the 357,41 mag. or 44 mag. rifles either.
Can't compare but will take deer/hogs no argument here.
Just started my own outdoor channel, your channel is one of my inspirations, keep up the fantastic content!
The 360 bucck hammer looks great. Love to buy it.
We should ask who makes these ridiculous "laws" and how do they get away with it?
Be thankful michigan has had that shotgun zone since 1983 that I recall straightwall is a blessing
I’m a Ohio deer hunter I’ll be straight up I live in a thick area of Ohio I live on the border of wv and let me say this this lever gun or 45/70 is the best guns to use the longest shots you will get around here if your lucky is 200 yards try shooting a 243 or 30-06 in this area it’s hard you do get pastures to but the longest they are like 300 yards so I think stick with straight wall or shot guns …
If they just let people go buckwild we’d be talking about deer in past tense.
@@Redneckgamer-do1uinothing wrong with using a bottle neck cartridge in the woods, here in northern MN where most shots could be made with a pointy stick 30-06, 270, and 243 are some of the most popular choices. Wife took hers last year with a 6.5 creedmore shooting federal terminal ascent at maybe 10 yards, performed flawlessly. There’s no downside to having more range available then required.
@Alan.livingston come for a holiday to Australia and shoot as many as you want. Here they're an invasive species and most have no bag limit or season. They're such a problem that as well as all the state forest you can hunt the government opened up loads of national park to hunters. Around my way the only restriction is minimum calibre for certain species, .243 for fallow deer and .270 for sambar. I run a 30-06 bolt and a 30-30 lever as I mainly hunt sambar.
Good assessment!
@RonSpomer0utdoors
Thank you!
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You do a great job.... you always have, and Ron... you've been one of my favorite gun/hunting writers for a LONG time!
Keep up the good work! AND thanks again for a job well done!
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It seems like a good design for a specific need. If the length limits were more generous in the straight wall states, we could have a revival of the 38-55😁. Been wanting one. I don't need a modern straight wall- Kalifornia has no such regs, and I don't really hunt anyway. One of the few good things about the state. However, i have been wanting at least one Henry, so who knows. Although i would probably get a 45-70 (i don't want the shiny 38-55; that will be a semi-vintage Winchester). Thanks for the comparison and the ballistics.
Nice ' Another Great Video💯, Thank's Ron 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Mr. Spomer, I appreciate you sharing your experiences, opinions and wisdom. I am currently serving in the US Army in Germany and began listening to your podcasts while in Poland last year. With hunting and shooting opportunities limited in Germany, your content has given me an outlet until I get back to the states. I also appreciate the way you address sometimes combative or otherwise less than cordial commentors with a level headed response. The world needs more of that. QUESTION: I was recently watching a RUclips video on barrel selection and the gentleman speaking mentioned "gain twist". This got me wondering, is there such a thing as variable (gaining) twist rates in rifling? Would such a thing have any effect on barrel life, accuracy or heat distribution in a rifle barrel? Lastly, has this ever been done to your knowledge? Thanks again for the great content!
I love the 30-30 so much, if Pennsylvania outlawed it for hunting. First there would probably be a revolt. Not just by me . Ide quit my job and move to a state where i could hunt with it. 30-30 is one of the most popular rifle round in Pennsylvania. My whole family hunts with the 30-30. The meat pole is usually full
After first day of deer season. Awsome video. God bless.
Some my family's Winchester are almost 100 years old and still killing deer. Mine was grandpaps and it was made in 1909. I still wear his woolrich coat. I'm 56. So it's probably almost 100 years old. You can have all the new fancy hunting stuff. I'll stick with my family's heritage. I'll bet my 30-30 has taken deer every year since I owned it. I shot my first deer at 10 years old. I killed 2 moose with it in Alaska. I'm and old fashioned hunter born a century too late. To each his own God bless.
I also have my great grandpaps 1894 32-40 it was made in 1898. I know the dates because I sent Winchester a letter years ago and the wrote me back. And this rifle is a black powder barrel. Winchester actually gave me the load data for safe smokeless powder for this rifle. It's amazing accurate. These rifles mean so much that they are willed to the next generation after me.
Love it all ron. Wish you had the numbers for a 450 BM to compare as well but still great stuff
Has Winchester ever considered resurrecting the .375 big bore that was available in the late 1970's
It is disgusting to me that the " Straight wall states" are not making exceptions for the 30-30 and other classic short range cartridges.
Best Wishes from Montana! M.H
I keep saying this
They are infringing.....you should be mad about ALL the restrictions.
35 Remington if you can find ammo
Great. But not in States that only allow ‘Straight Walled’ cartridges.
45-70: “Hey! What are you kids doing in my yard? Best not be whackin in my trailer…”
I think I found my first lever gun top pick honestly the straight wall cartridge helped with that decision because it allows me to hunting in the states that only allow those kinds of bullets but I still feel confident using it back home and I've always wanted a lever gun so this fists all my wants and needs
Good coverage. Many thanks. I am liking the looks of this 360 ballistically. And in the Henry levergun it makes an attractive option.
Not sure why someone came up with a caliber that is so similar to what has been around for decades, so we need a straight walled case, all ready plenty out there. Great Video as always Ron. Great info.
My thoughts exactly.
I love straight wall cartridges
I wish we could easily have 14 inch barrel lever actions again
For what purpose?
@@panthermartin7784 Whatever I want. 14 and 15 inch were original Winchester "trapper" lengths before the NFA ruined everything. A .357 Mag 14 inch would be so handy for around my farm.
@@panthermartin7784 I have an article on my blog about short barrels if you aren't sure about what I'm talking about. It's called Short Barrel Firearms and Their Practical Application
@@ikocher then you sir need to buy a Henry mares leg and put a regular stock on it, Henry will quickly support you with ur mod.
@@panthermartin7784 yep! One of the projects I wrote about that I wanted to do was one of the Mare’s Leg 22s with a youth stock and have the barrel threaded. It would make for such a great barn yard gun
This comparison between all of the new, "state specific boutique", cartridges and the "old reliables" is definitely the kind of video that I had been hoping that you would produce. I do like the new cartridges for their uniqueness and their ability to fill a legal niche and I am glad that they will allow hunters (midwest/ rust belt, I assume) to get better performance in the woods than what they would have previously under the same conditions.
That being said, however, and now becoming a bit of a FUD and having the Old Army Captain come out in me that insists on logistical considerations driving most decision-making, I don't think that I would be purchasing one of these new rifles/ cartridge combos unless I moved into one of those states.
And, besides, the only other rifle that I have EVER killed big/ medium game with other than the .30-30 is the .50 caliber Hawken muzzleloader, even here on the Plains of the Texas Panhandle where ranges can get really wide in a hurry, so why change (not that anyone is advocating that here) if I am getting performance (I guess that I am just getting a little weary of the looks I get when I show up to hunt with my 336 or 30AS, both proven killers [I've even been disallowed from hunts because that is what I chose to use])?
At any rate, I do enjoy the presentation format of these videos and the ballistics science that is almost always presented (I'll now be zeroing my .30-30s this year at 150-160 for the optimal point-blank holds because of these videos).
Being a "FUD" is not a good thing and it pains me to see guys use it as a badge of honor.
Preferring old cartridges doesn't make you a Fud.......trying to force me to use the old, outdated crap does- which you don't seem to do.
@@nuckyduk15 The "Old Outdated Crap" 30-30 which is used as the yardstick to measure the effectiveness of these new "modern wizzbangs" is for all practical purposes the equal of any of them. Look at the ballistic charts of 150 yard energy Ron is showing here. The design goal with these straight wall cartridges is to try to equal these old classics. They really gain you nothing if you don't live in a state restricting you from using one of the old classics. They DO make you vulnerable to ammo becoming obsolete in a few years as only so many cartridges can become popular. Now if you load your own ammo and do a lifetime buy of brass when you buy the rifle, you are good to go.
I still go with the 450 bushmaster 😂❤❤
Could someone please explain to me what the straight wall cartridge deal is about? Why do some states not allow tapered cartridges?
Ron, for some reason you never get the 30-30 muzzle velocity right on the 150gr cartridge. Nearly all standard commercial mfg ammo I've seen/bought/shot lists the MV as 2390 which puts ME at 1902ft/lbs, not 1665. That's a lot. Now we all know that published MVs come from a 24" barrel and we all know the majority of 30-30 rifles come with 20" barrels, as you pointed out in the video, so the numbers will be different. But to be fair to the 30-30, at least use what's on the box for comparisons. And just for comparison, the Hornady Leverevolution FTX in 160gr at a published 2400fps yields 2046ft/lbs of ME which beats out the 35 Remi and the 350 Legend. Anyone can calculate ME, it's not rocket science (velocity squared, 2400x2400 x bullet weight, 160 divided by 450,450 = ft/lbs of ME). Anyone that chrono's their range session can take the average of say 5 shot groups and doing the math can get real world performance instantly on what their particular load is doing which is almost always lower than published MVs and MEs.
The ammo companies need to make a lead free 360 buckhammer round.
Ron,
Take a look at the 357 Herrett comparison to the 360 Buckhammer.
People shooting their old Thompson Center Contender 14" 357 Herrett pistol barrel can benefit from 360 Buckhammer brass.
Thanks,
Andrew
When I first heard of the 369 Buckhammer I was excited to either buy or have built a single shot in the 360. After months of looking for ammo and none was to be found, I gave up and decided to stick with a shotgun and muzzleloader. Two weeks ago I finally saw a box of 360s. Regrettably I think Remington has done it again, designed a good cartridge and abandoned it. Someday these companies will understand that if the rifle and the ammo are not announced and available immediately it will fail. Hope I'm wrong, but the 360 is already a failed cartridge.
I think a subsonic load for the 360 for those who can use silencers for hunting would be a great option to have as well.
300 gr cast lead?
I think RCBS has a 250 gr mould, but that would still be supersonic.
At 1200 fps that is only 804 ft lb.
300 gr would get you up to almost 1000 ft lb.
Lyman has a 335 gr bullet for the 38-55, so something similar should be doable in .358.
Can you please compare 30-30 to 45-70? Love your content, keep it up.
I’ve been waiting for what seems forever for a Henry 30-30 model x. Things a ghost
Being in a state that you have to hunt striaght wall, and not having a striaght wall other then a 12 guage slug, it’s not bad to have new rounds to choose from but still agree, ammo is hard to find for these guns a lot of the time or expensive
I truly believe that all the number games boil down to the shooter, when it comes to taking game!
The 30WCF IE 30/30 😀❤️😀
Glad I Live In KANSAS !!! ALMOST Anything Goes. Need To Look At The .38-55 WCF Straight Wall Brass 255gr Bullet 😊
The Winchester .375 is tops in my book . Yes you did leave it out and it is a straight wall case .
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Curious what 158gr on the 360 buck hammer performance looks like. The 140 gr Hornady lever revolution type ballistic flex tips would be nice to see numbers on too.
If I was forced to hunt with a straight walled case, I would pick my old .38-55 Winchester 1894 and hunt with that, because that round with a 255 grain JSP or in the case of my handloads, a 264 cast lead bullet, I know that would work, and if that one doesn't, I have a .45-70 and then the real slayer, my Cimarron 1863 Sharps carbine in .50-70. Lots of other options out there before you have to try and hunt down the .360 which where I am, is as hard to find as .35 Remington.
Both of those have cases too long for some areas. The strictest states limit cases to 1.8". That is the market that the 360 Buckhammer, 350 Legend and 400 Legend were designed for.
Fortunately deer don't carry calculators. 😇
How's the 357 Max hold up against these options?
The 357 Max inspired the 350 Legend.
haha the 100,000 Award
Reminds me of the 30 carry pistol round,,,it's like yeah cool I guess thiers a herd of rounds in that ball park already
If I had to hunt an area where straight walled cartridges was the law, I would choose the 360 Buckhammer for myself. I would choose the 350 Legend for a young boy or avg female. Only caution would be is wondering if the 360 BH will survive the test of time. So far the 350 L is looking as it will. For now I don’t have a need for either cartridge so I will stick with my .33 Winchester.
Southeast Missouri doesnt have the best bucks, but we dont have the weird limitations on the necks. Saying that, I'll try the 360 because my longest shot in the woods was about 30 yards.
Happy i live in tennessee where these silly debates dont exists. As long as its centerfire it is legal. My personal choice is the 257 weatherby magnum
375. Winchester has been around a long time, pretty much the same thing.
If the 360 BH makes it, and that is a big "IF", it will be a niche round like the 45-70 but with bit longer range. Could gain a following for elk, moose and bear hunting. Otherwise I don't see anyone who uses the 30-30 or 350 Legend switching to the 360 BH when these two are perfectly adequate for deer hunting. The name "Buckhammer" was poor marketing because it implies it is a deer round rather than also in the elk, bear and moose category. The 360 Hammer would have been a better name.
Spelling doom for the 35 Rem? Why would Marlin or Henry bother with that caliber anymore as not legal in as many states as Buckhammer? Sad for me and my 35 Rem. Time to stock up on reloading supplies.
Talking my wife into the newest deer cartridge is a hard sell, 450 Bushmaster will have to be enough for a while.
Bought my 360 Buckhammer last month. It is exactly like shooting the 30-30. Henry was nice enough to send me another magazine inner tube since I live in the socialist state of Illinois and need to plug the tube.