The Overlap Between Autism ,Transness, And EDS
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- Опубликовано: 9 авг 2018
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When I was young on carnaval when all the kids got to dress up for school, all the boys would dress up like pirates and the girls would be princesses and I was literally a tiger
Prinses op de Pingpongbal I was Tigger the tiger once for Halloween when I was younger too 😂👌
Lol I always dressed as a cheetah
In preschool we had a Halloween parade and all the boys were pirates and Obi wan Kenobi and Buzz Lightyear, and the girls were all princesses and Tinker Bell and witches, but me? I was a frickin snowman, yo
I was a dinosaur
I smell a furry lol
“Tripping over a social queue I didn’t see” that’s perfect
Or it's a crippling deviation from the funcrtional norm; which doesn;'t pose well for full life expectancy.
I finally have a psychologist that acknowledged that im probably on the autism spectrum. its the most relaxed and at peace i've been in ages.
I loved this video! You are super duper allowed to "take up space" (< an adage form my therapist) around me if you want, no need to ever feel like you have to make yourself small. That is super #relatable though.
Ash, you are literally the sweetest omg
Thank you so much (especially for your support of me/belief in me as a creator!)
You’ve definitely made me feel like I, and what I have to say, matter ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ *sending all the love to you and Grace* ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Ash hardell!
Ash Hardell u are one of the greatest examples of unconditional love I have ever seen. I love you❤
I agree! As an autistic woman who identifies as female (only because the rest of the world treated me as female and discriminated against me because of that--yes, I am of an older generation), one of the things I noticed growing up was that boys/men were allowed to take up space. I didn't get the whole gender role thing and so was naturally a feminist from the time I started noticing the different treatment, which led to my believing that I had the right to take up space too. As late diagnosed, I didn't realise I was missing cues. I knew I was weird because everyone told me I was, but I also thought most everyone else was weird too. This gave me a freedom to be around others. And people experienced me as someone comfortable in my own skin. Some would love me, some would hate me, some would grow to love me, and some would grow to hate me (as they inferred incorrectly why I missed whatever cues I missed.)
Having a grasp of why things were weird for me and what I have missed, has only made me more determined to have autism and the double empathy problem understood. We communicate differently and so when I need to ask someone to explain the exchange we had--what I saw but didn't understand--, I'm not being a bright, manipulative woman with some hidden agenda. I'm being an autistic woman who needs communication that is clearer for me. If someone insists that I read things I cannot read (i.e. purposefully misinterpret my efforts with understanding and therefore empathy) while they make no effort to empathise with the challenges I face when it comes to reading social cues, then that person doesn't need to be in my life. We either negotiate communication that works for both of us or we don't communicate.
it's so hard to conform to behavioral gender and all it's unnecessary nuances, it makes sense that an autistic person would have an even harder time trying to live as an arbitrarily assigned gender that doesn't match who they are. i can only imagine how frustrating it must be
What you are saying is clicking.. Thank you for writing this here. :D
Yeah! For me I just can’t grasp how someone just knows what gender they are, abstract social concepts are just like that to me. How do you know if you’re officially friends with someone? How do you know what gender you are? What gives you the explicit right of ownership over something other than an arbitrary piece of paper? What is value if something can mean everything to one person and nothing to another? It all doesn’t make much sense to me.
I saw one study that said Autistic people born male tend to have more female hormones than average. And Autistic people born female tend to have more male hormones than average. If true that might also make our gender expressions different.
"Disappear between the paint and the walls" Another Aaron classic comparison.
I also am a transman with Eds and autism and this was really interesting and helpful, thank you. It’s very validating to hear someone else basically almost exactly describe my own experience
I wanna cry each time I watch a new video on your channel. I relate to your experiences soooo much.
Hearing you feels like being in a big fluffy soft compressing bubble.
“I just want to disappear between the paint and the walls, that’s where i want to be.”
As someone who's trans, has EDS and (likely, but not diagnosed) autism, it's really cool seeing you talking about this kind of connection. I just wanted to add that my gender therapist said he actually thinks there's a likely link between EDS and being trans based on his experience! Apparently a disproportionate amount of trans people (trans men particularly) he sees have EDS also. That was really interesting to learn.
I'm also FTM. I have ADHD as well but my therapist has told me I have some sensory processing issues akin to autism (don't have it though.) I've heard of some people on T who have EDS showing significant improvement with their symptoms too. I think there's definitely a connection.
Jacky North this is really fascinating. I have only recently (at 47) wondered if I am very mildly on the ASD spectrum. Unconnected to that, I was also researching EDS...looking for answers...then I saw info about how they are often connected.....
The thing is, I have been a naturally gender atypical child since...well a young child. I completely rejected femininity, and still do. I came out as a lesbian in my early 20’s. I’ve worked in child development for 30 years...I’ve worked with children who were very autistic and I have done a lot of research and study on it. And here I am thinking...at 47...shit...am l? Is it possible?
I have so many overlapping symptoms of things....I put my « weirdness » down to my childhood and upbringing...my foster family thought maybe I had childhood schizophrenia (I didn’t)....but I was....very hard to reach.
Anyway....still researching...still looking for answers. I don’t identify as trans or have gender dysphoria. I was pretty comfortable with being gender atypical and very much have the mindset that I’m a female...I’m a woman but I’m THIS kind of women. (I love practical clothing and proper pockets!)
I have always hated my body tho....thanks to weight issues due to a genetic condition, that is often linked to EDS!
Anyway...mind is blown....I need to do lots of research!!
You have a beautiful way of speaking about your feelings so candidly. You are changing the insights, beliefs and perspectives of so many- as well as letting those of us who can relate to you in any or all ways know that we are not alone- please keep doing what you do!
I'm also trans and autistic, and I have Marfans syndrome. I find it super interesting. Statistics here in the UK say young people with gender issues are 6x more likely to be autistic. Interesting video, and we are indeed a whole thing and very much valid!
I appreciate your videos so much man. I’m ftm, have hEDS a n d autism, so I really find your perspectives interesting! I loved that you talked about “learning” other people’s behaviours because that’s something I’m constantly explaining to new people 😂 I call it “cataloguing” people ‘cause I feel like I’m slowly downloading them into my database 🤖 Thanks as always for your videos, you’re an actual angel bean 😊
I'm so glad you make these videos! I really appreciate them
You are so wonderful. Thank you for being so open and thorough as well! I have suspicions about myself so your story is inspiring to me
Your video was educational and thought-provoking as usual. Thanks for sharing your observations with us!
This was a super helpful video. I actually got a lot of self-explanation for my own personal issues out of this. I've never really been able to articulate stuff like this until now, thank you!
I'm going to Canada on a trip next month and watching your videos make me cry, Aaron. I love you so much, and I imagine running into you on the street. The idea of that actually brings me to tears. You are such a huge role model, and thank you for putting your voice out there for people like me to find.
This subject fascinates me, I’m so excited for this video!
I seriously feel like you are speaking about me exactly lol. I have autism, I’m trans and I have EDS. I don’t feel like there are many people who have all three. It makes life quiet difficult especially my hearing.
Aaron, your content is so unique! Thank you for teaching us new things everyday! 😊
Also I've really been loving all your thumbnails lately! 😄🌟
I’ve learned so much from you and other amazing trans youtubers. This is a particularly fascinating and eye opening video. Thank you for sharing yourself with us. You’ve made me a more compassionate and richer person. 💛
I love your random videos :) don't stop them please!
Hi Aaron!!! This video is really interesting. You’re always teaching us something.
Love you buddy!!! ❤️
You my friend are brilliant, your so easy to listen to . I love you rawness :-)
Aaron you're awesome! I thought I was the only one who thought this deeply about every movement in every social interaction. I learned I am also on the spectrum after 27 yrs of just feeling like an alien(based on the microexpressions & overall their reactions/choice of word).
Your videos are helpful & informative. Feeling the world on a level that the majority don't is hard but your willingness to share seriously helps...thank you Aaron.
-Trent
I knew about the correlations and stuff but it's really interesting hearing your personal experience and specifics. Thanks bud.
That was a super interesting video Aaron!
You are so articulate about explaining stuff. I'm autistic and just found your channel today. Love it :D
this was really interesting, i’d love to see more like this 💙💙
HECK YEAH seeing you upload more is awesome man! This was a super interesting video! ps I love Caelum so freaking much thank u for putting him on your Instagram as much as you do, fr I love that Boy™
so glad you opened up the dialogue of this!! personally, i think there’s so many trans autistic ppl observed because our autism makes us more likely to realize our transness and be willing to pursue that. since we arent in tune with social cues, a hefty number of us end up just not giving a shit about the social rules, or at least we learn that breaking them isnt innately “wrong” it just can result in judgement and disapproval. this makes the trans realization and acceptance easier for some of us!
so interesting to hear about these theories!! Great video 😊✌️
Such an interesting video! I really related to what you said about not picking up social cues and hearing all the voices in a room just as loud as the person speaking to you. I've been learning more about gender in the past few months. Your videos are very educational :).
Thank you for sharing! At 27 I'm trying to navigate the realization of being autistic and masking for so many years. Your content is super helpful!
Wow! I have never seen, heard of, or met anyone so relatable. Ever! Now I no longer feel so alone. Thank you.
And I agree with you on gender being a social construct and not being influenced by the stereotypical "roles".
AWESOME to have people to relate too!! You are helping more than you may know. :D
I thought I was imagining things (hrt potentially amplifying my own anxiety and autistic traits, which actually led to a diagnosis). Thank you for this video, it was very interesting and filled with great information
Thank you for this video. Just thank you.
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Thank you for this Aaron. Just so you know, I think you were great when we first met. I thought I would be nervous but I really wasn’t cos I felt like I kinda known ya. 😁😊 I never thought about having autism or ADHD went with being trans but I have heard a lot of ppl that have one have the other, not always of course. I don’t know a lot about EDS though.
Whoa mind blown. Great video!!!
Love the video and the clipboard in the background ❤️
the music reminds me of the old youtube times haha
great video aaron!
Omg, I got an ad about eds with this video! This is probably the first time I actually got a relevant ad.
This is such a great way to describe autism and the links between autism and gender-diversity. Thanks Aaron!
I know so many EDSERS with auditory-processing issues (myself included) and always had a feeling that the two were somehow related .. thanks for yet another very interesting and relatable video!! 💕💝💕💝
I love you Aaron 💚
( around 3:30 ) "air on the side of caution" more like AARON THE SIDE OF CAUTION
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0:32 I really like how you’re talking about this. For a lot of people, there’s an overlap with a lot of their experiences but society at large still often times treats each type of experience as if it’s stand alone, even with individuals who have multiple experiences like this. I think it’s an important topic
Never watched your videos before but I can see why this particular one appeared on my recommended list.
I am trans, autistic, ADHD, dyslexia, OCD, anxiety and though as far as I know I don’t have EDS, other people have asked me if I do.
I love learning about the links between these three things. I'm trans, autistic, and probably have EDS (that one we're still trying to figure out for sure) and I've met a lot of other people with those three. It's so fascinating that quite a few people have seemingly unrelated disorders
very soothing voice, also very educational and reletable
you made an amazing video thanks 🥺
It would be awesome if you could put some links in the description. I’m especially interested in the possible link between autism and EDS because I’m suspecting I might have those.
But if it’s a hassle I can definitely google it. :) Great and interesting video!
Ive known about that overlap for a bit. If they dont use asd, a lot use the diagnosis of asperger's. And i wasnt sure why the overlap and how, but you explained it really well. About the 5 min mark, i went "ohhh, that makes so much sense!" Its really interesting bc of the bio and social overlap.
Thank you for this video. I have increasingly suspected I might be on the autism spectrum but have not been officially diagnosed yet. I have been diagnosed as ADHD and I have been out as trans for a couple months now, but this video really helped me in terms of figuring out if I do have autism or not.
I really like this video a lot. I LOVE LEARNING THINGS FROM YOU 🌠🌠🌠
This video was super interesting, thank you
Hey aaron! You're one of my favorite whole things :) Keep up the great videos, ur doing great! love from one trans aspie to another
Very interesting, thanks for sharing
Nonbinary person with dysautonomia here. Thank you for sharing your story and making me feel less alone! I have also seen a few correlations between disorders such as EDS/POTS/etc.. and autism/gender stuff.
This was really interesting!
This was super interesting! I saw your video about executive dysfunction posted to the Montreal Queer Spoon Share Facebook group and checked out your other videos and found this one!
I'm an autistic ADHD'er too, and although I don't think I fit the criteria for EDS I suspect I have some form of hypermobile spectrum disorder. I'd like to try to get tested for it soon. I loved your expression "between the paint and the wall" lol. Oh and I live in Montreal too! You live in Montreal right?
I know I’ve mentioned this before but the overlap of being trans and having an ASD diagnosis is strong and a lot of things effect other things. I try really hard to connect with other transgender people but my social skills and stimming make it hard but than I get depressed because I try and it’s hard to connect. When I see you making videos and when I met you I was so hopeful I can connect to other transgender people like you do. Thank you for another great video Aaron.
That's an interesting theory. If that's true then surely autistic trans folk are trans for a different reason to non-autistic trans folk. I wasn't playing with "boy's" toys because I didn't realise social cues, if anything I longed to be like other boys and to fit into social cues.
My psychiatrist is in the process of trying to get me assessed for asd. And i had no idea he suspected i was autistic. And im also a trans guy. I was looking into these theories, and they kinda make sense. Just came across your channel at like 11 pm. I might subscribe:)
Cool vid. As a person whom suffers from Asperger syndrome (High functioning.) I can relate. Also being Trans. just the other way. And surfing from OCD. Was glad to see you can go threw the treatments with disabilities of this nature. Again cool vid Dude. can't wait to see your next vid.
Thanx Aaron.
Dope. This was helpful
The social cue stuff you talked about resonated so much with me, holy fuck. I'm not particularly quiet, I'm just so afraid of accidentally doing something wrong, reading social cues wrong and then the RSD (rejection Sensitive Dysphoria) from my ADHD occurs. It's like I'm a little child who doesn't know yet how people work and what you are supposed to do in situations that aren't day-to-day for me, except I'm 25 years old and it's expected of me to know these things. Maybe I should finally look into getting evaluated for ASD.. (I'm hesitant, because I've already got ADHD and there's this overlap and I'm afab and an adult..so even if I'm autistic, I could face difficulty getting a diagnosis)
i was looking into that relation in the last time, it's great you made that video. for me gender is one of the possible ways to mask, something i want to stop doing.
Thank you for sharing that ! I am autistic, i also have eds and i am transgender so ... thanks !!!
Yeah I get sensory overload sometimes but from eds stuff its an interesting connection
Hey, good video.
I am transgender as well as having ASD.
I had never considered how I would have missed out on learning from kids around me how to conform to the binary options due to the nature of autism affecting our social skills. Very interesting, actually.
Aaron. We share the same disease states to a large extent but I am a UK white British National and life is really tough with the conservative approach to healthcare that is lived and breathed by the NHS. Kudos to you for being honest about connective tissue (single nucleotide polymorphism consequences) conditions and the reality that is living life with Autistic Spectrum Condition versus being perceived as "weak" for not being able to recognize faces or behaviour. Autism is a disease only because some others are willing and able to exploit basic locomotor behaviour and in the words of Robert Sapolsky, "fixed action patterns". Thank you so much for the coping tips.
I have a very hard time hearing people talk when there's background noice (this why I hate going to bars because I only hear the person sitting next to me talking in my ear). I have ADHD and this is one of the symptoms of difficutlity with sensory prosessing I experience the most. Since I discovered that it comes from my ADHD, I usually articulate that I can't hear people as well when there's background noise and that helps me because I don't feel like I have to function the same way as others and they know why I ask them to repeat themselfs for the 3rd time.
Thank you I think so too good conversation
That was a wise video!
I really needed this video for some reason...
I think it's because i've been diagnosed with autism for about a year ago. But i've thought/known that i am trans for 2-3 years, and my parrents wont really accept it. They say i can't be trans since i have autism, but it dont really makes sense to me.
Anyways, this video helped a lot with understanding why i feel this way, so thank you so much!
What a sweetiepie. I hope whatever paths you travel, honey, that those paths are kind to you.
You are so incredibly kind, thank you so much for taking the time to write this to me. I appreciate your kindness immensely ❤️
As a trans agender aspie I think a lot about the overlappings going on and how they've both had an impact on my childhood and general construction as a human being, especially in the social sphere, like a couple of hand-holding ghosts alternatively kicking and cuddling my mind and body around. Thanks so much for this video, it's very useful as a tool to send to loved ones who might have trouble understanding these concepts. It's very important to present people with these theories and with the experiences of people who go through multiple things at once (cus yeah some people have a hard time believing one gets more than One Thing in their life. like?? anyway). I love how the way you explain and express yourself in these vids!
thank you
I’m 15 ftm autistic ocd Tourette’s (ADHD) ptsd gad and possibly hEDS and this video means a heck a lot to me xxx
There's some linkage possibility between EDS & Autism with auto-immune disorders, particularly MCAS (Mast Cell Activation Syndrome) which manifests as excessive allergies and sensitivities. MCAS can compound symptoms of ADHD and Autism by affecting how easily over stimmed we can be, as well as sometimes having mental side affects like brain fog and memory problems related to wide ranging allergy exposure.
I relate to all of this so strongly but I've only been "officially" diagnosed with ADHD. My mother has EDS and the doctor that she was diagnosed by said that I more than likely have it as well. I certainly have a ton of symptoms but getting "officially" diagnosed is difficult when next to no doctors know what it is. It also doesn't help that I currently don't have healthcare... >.>
hey I finally got a set in stone rheumatologist diagnosis of hypermobile EDS like the four different specialists and GP who assumed but couldn't make the call. But after two years of literal tears and I have literal PTSD from being abused in multiple ways by medical professional not trying to get pity just saying I am a baby who with some help made it through because at some points I thought I was gonna take an exit into the abyss . It's hard when anybody I'd hurting but when you get told maybe its fibromyalgia because I am AMAB and mid 20's so I dont check the boxes mom has it but wasn't diagnosed until she was 55. But quick end piece if you are pretty positive about having EDS dont do what everyone says and do yoga it makes it worse .pilates makes a difference . I hope you have been diagnosed already if not it's hard but if you push it will happen.
Hey Aaron! As someone with ocd, I would love to see someone I love talk about their experience with it. I totally understand if it would be too triggering to talk about it (it is for me sometimes) so no pressure, just an idea 💛 thanks
yeah the fact that teachers in pre-schools have clearly said that in the first months of being in pre-school boys and girls play the same way, and by the end of the year they separate... Like my cousin who has two "daughters" (I can only assume at this point, cause they are less than 3) said that she wanted her eldest to wear other colours than pink but her child would refuse ... but then I could remember the first years of that child, where my cousin was in charge of picking every clothes, only wearing pink... so no she wants to wear pink cause you made her wear pink for like 2 years non stop and every presents/gifts anyone has ever given her was pink...so...
2:31 as someone who’s loved with ADHD his whole life, I totally relate to not picking up on social cues. I still have a lot of issues with it now tbh. I’m better at it though but mostly cuz I used to read and watch a lot of content about body language
😮being afraid I'll miss a social cue...! Yeah I do that and I also try so so hard to read their face and also inevitably misinterpret the face and they get mad. Or is it really mad or is it something else?
It's a real quandary. I'm actually envious of autistic people who can memorize what different faces mean and then mentally do the work to interpret them in conversation. Even if I could memorize them, I miss micro expressions (cannot see them), and when in conversation, it's too much stimulation and so I don't have the bandwidth to use for mental interpretations. I can see social cues I actually recognise, but am unable to do anything about them and then, when the conversation has come to an end, I think to myself, "The next time I speak to this person, I must bring up ________." Or I realise I missed a cue (more correctly was unable to react to it in the moment) that there's nothing I can now do anything about--for example, I see keys jangling meaning that the person wants to leave but am unable to interpret it in the moment. Afterward, I feel embarrassed that I was unable to and I understand that my not being able to was interpreted as my ignoring the cue. I just couldn't process the cue.
That's interesting about the learned part. As a kid, I played with trucks, played hockey or basketball with the boys, and I didn't have patience for the girls and their nail polish, fancy hairstyles, and dolls. But I guess part of that is ADHD and wanting more fast paced stuff.
I'm getting tested for EDS, but have POTS, another condition commonly in that giant package of things where my feet turn red if I stand too long, so I have to wear compression socks which can sometimes be too difficult with sensory things. It's interesting, because yeah, so many things all overlap, which is hard to get properly diagnosed and get help, but I'm glad I'm not alone. I'm non-binary, and apparently allergic to everything due to how my hand reacted to my compression gloves... It's difficult to deal with allergies, dysphoria, brain fog, and pain all at the same time, but we find ways to manage.
Did any other autistic person think when they grew up that because they had autism they "weren't allowed to have anything else" (like not allowed to be trans or depressed), but only with themselves?
Thank you for this video I think you explain it much better than me i get so frustrated with people saying I'm weird because I don't agree with gender stereotypes and them not understanding me when I tell them it's their fault they are confusing sex and gender and someone's birth sex does not and should not determine the clothes they wear and the toys they play with etc but people are so fixed in their thinking they dont understand me :(
When you have autistic symptoms, meet diagnostic criteria for a long term and know they do not come from infancy, they also don't disapear and you can identify a single specific medically documented biological cause for them it is called secondary autism.
This is awesome! Does taking T at all help with the hEDS symptoms? I haven't really been able to find much information and was wondering what your experience was like :)
Good talk, Aaron. People and doctors included would dispute that I'm on the autism spectrum when they had a girl/woman in front of them. Now they see a man and they don't dispute that I'm autistic. I think it's because the diagnostic method was based on observations of boys/men and it was developed according to male gender stereotypes. People still dismiss the struggles in girls/women as "being hormonal" or "shy and feminine". I also think that there might be a lot of neurotypical transgender people who will settle for non-binary and don't transition medically because they need to protect their career or social life. So they will never be counted in statistics. And that makes people think that there's more trans people in the autism community but I think it's just more people who transition medically.
That hearing thing I have it too. Its called auditory processing disorder. I also have autism.
So interesting. I'm a trans man but only started my transition and realised I was trans at 30. I'm now 34 and on T. I'm now realising that I may well have been misdiagnosed as having a personality disorder when actually most of my issues are actually surrounding social interaction and obsessive thoughts and behaviour and so it's leading me to wonder if I'm on the neurodiverse spectrum. I'm now in a position where I'm trying to decide if I want to go down the route of having an assessment as an adult. Because I grew up thinking I was a girl who just never fitted in and was therefore encouraged into female social groups I'm wondering if I grew up learning to mask more hence why it wouldn't necessarily have been picked up on during childhood. I was just seen as shy and weird.
I noticed my ADHD/possibly ASD stuff got a lot more prominent with t too, I think a good chunk of it is like you said, more anxiety leads to more sensory issues. Something my psychiatrist said tho- and I’m not sure if I agree, or if there’s any research, but it’s been buzzing in the back of my head- is that ASD, ADHD, etc are typically thought of as developmental disorders, often with symptoms in early childhood but a sort of “rebooting” of symptoms at puberty (in her words, a lot of her patients with neurodivergencies had symptoms as kids that either got more noticeable or changed entirely during puberty). Her thought was that, when introducing HRT, your body effectively goes through second puberty, and might cause your brain to reboot neuro-related symptoms. So even if you had stuff in the Before Time with first puberty, they might shift or become more visible to you with the second round. I don’t know enough about how neurodiverse stuff works, scientifically speaking, to say whether I think she’s right, but it’s... interesting, anyway? ANYWAY thank u for this, you are the bees knees 💖
This is so interesting - I have hEDS autism and am trans ftm.
Hey samesies! I have some other psych stuff too though