Final Fantasy 7 Remake Ending Timeline Split Explained!
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024
- The Ending to Final Fantasy VII Remake might have created a Timeline Split similar to the one found in The Legend of Zelda Timeline. In this video, we explain how this split might impact Final Fantasy VII as a Franchise!
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3:50 I love how you use original Zack's voice over ff7R footage. A man of culture I see.
Ff7cc makes me HARD!
I made a scene edit with the music as well. Works perfectly.
Original Zack sounds better anyway. The new guy is obviously new to voice acting.
What his new voice is better
A man of culture doesn’t play Japanese games in English dub lol
Not gonna lie, I'm actually looking forward to playing the remake more. A new story line sounds like a lot of fun
Yeah, I looking forward to whatever Sephiroth's plan is...because he knows that if he kills Aerith her spirit will stop him from using meteor so that's probably why he's fixated on Cloud now.
@@Mysticgamer Do you think they would kill off Cloud this time and replace the him with Zack? I don't know how I would respond to that if that is now a possibility.
@@shane62386 Zack is still dead, sorry.
...But Biggs is now alive
@@shane62386 I don't think they'll kill him off but, maybe they play with something similar. In the original ff7, there was a point where Cloud was out of the party due to story reasons (if want to know, ask) and the group had more pressing stuff to deal with and in the remake they could have Zack show up.
@@byksEBM Yeah, that Zack looks to be from a parralel world, so I wonder what they'll do with him and Biggs?
I'm going to call it now: Aerith doesn't necessarily have to die now. If we are in a new timeline split influenced by a version of Sephiroth from the future, then he may strategically hold back from killing her. Aerith's death not only further mobilized Cloud and his party against Sephiroth, but Aerith returning to the planet gave her spirit the opportunity to call on the Life Stream it to support Holy's power. Without the Life Stream coming in to play during the original end to FF7, Meteor would have still hit the planet.
The FFVII Remake Ultimania came out today, it's very interesting.
The remake doesn't and will not intend to deviate from the story as people are saying it will.
except that is exactly what the devs want us to believe, they can still kill her I wouldn't be so sure about her surviving. I could see her choosing to get killed or maybe killing herself? That would be drastic but I can see her NOT surviving at all.
So have aerith die or the planet.
I think given the the skill the writers have shown, that the story will be good either way but I’m not going to second guess them until it’s over, they deserve that much.
Disagree. I think that since cloud had frequent visions about Aerith’s death scene, it will probably happen. I don’t think that they would leave something so important left out of the remake.
I call the Timelines with these different names:
Beagle Timeline for FF7R Main Game Timeline
Terrier Timeline for Zack's Survival Timeline
Dog Timeline for the Compilation of FF7/Original Timeline
Square Enix: Okay, you can do whatever you want with the story.
*Zoom shot to Tetsuya Nomura slowly smiling as Sephiroth's theme starts to play*
I love how you used Rick Gomez's voice for Zack. I'm excited about the next game. Zack is back!!
Maybe or spinoff timeline.
Zack is Back! Has a nice ring to it. 😊🎩
@@brazenoutlaw8613 Zach is back in black.
😂😂
Oh boy when the story involves time travel shenanigans you know the story it’s going get complicated😐
FUTURE!!!!!! FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, it's Nomura. "Complicated" is putting his plots lightly.
cough* kingdom hearts
Ruined*
see KH franchise for reference.
Only fans are stating time travel,
the Final Fantasy VII Remake Ultimania came out today,
please look into it...
So going forward I think it's important to acknowledge that the entire FF7R series will very likely be divisive, and while it will lead to interesting debates, I think we should also try and remember to be civil and respectful of differing viewpoints on the series. As someone who's more on the negative side of things after the first Part, I fully believe that both those who aren't happy with the big story changes and those who are happy have valid points, & the situation is more nuanced than just "this side's right, the other one's wrong." Trying to shoot down other's opinions on things or being disrespectful will just lead to the fandom being toxic bit by bit. Let's be better than that.
shut up I win you loose bye bye
hey now, get outta here with your calm collected bullshit!!!
Just kidding, and I agree. Regardless of how people like the ending, it's fair to say it made noise, and the journey to this game and through it were amazing for SO MANY PEOPLE, so let's focus on that, and hope for the future to keep doing that
I agree. I like both games and would rather people just realize that both can coexist. Mean how many times do comics reboot things? No one argues this or that version was the true and only; an attitude I hope takes hold for remake and original.
@@LEg3enDArmy ok troll
I literally just beat the game today without having been exposed to spoilers... this game blew my MIND!
Same here. , and I had THE best experience
It blew my mind all over my face!
Playing through the original again, and it’s clear right from the start that there are some subtle but deliberate changes. I’d love to see more videos about some of these.
Yeah I stayed away too until I beat the game. And man does that ending have me exited for the next. Don’t get me wrong I like the original but I want to see what they do now that the story has room to breath.
at first I thought this was silly and hated that they saved Biggs and Jesse, but then I saw how the signs on the bar are different. in the game its written 7th heaven, but in the ending where you can see the light raining down, its written seventh heaven. so yea they made a different timeline where those characters are alive and I assume it will matter later.
Wheres the proof Jesse is alive?
@@EricToTheScionti they never looked for her body after the plate fell but her gloves show up on the dresser next to biggs
Aerith is trying to change the OG timeline which is why she says everytime the whispers touch her she loses something. She wants to save the planet AND humanity so the planet is trying to take away her memories or feelings for humanity. The planet likes the OG outcome since humanity is wiped out and the planet lives on without humanity destroying it slowly. Since Aerith sent the info about the future to her past self via the lifestream, she is now trying to find a way to save both.
ironically she does nothing different from OG
My personal take on it is that Sephiroth is the one changing the OG timeline, and he's influencing Cloud from the very beginning to take charge of destiny. It's likely he's traveled back, and feels if destiny can be beaten then he stands a better chance at surviving and winning. The third timeline, being Zack's survival, may be Aerith's attempt at reforging history. If Cloud fails, then Zack may succeed in his own alternate timeline.
@@winniethepooh4141 Are you kidding? Here is a post with over 50 things she does that hints about her having knowledge of the future. www.reddit.com/r/FFVIIRemake/comments/g75lfj/quit_acting_like_you_know_me_the_evidence_against/
I think the joke here is that they can actually do both! they can kill her in one timeline then save her in the other. probably we will get another 95% faithful remake, then in the end show the other timeline where it went the opposite direction. eventually converging at some point for a big fight against god or something.the more clear it is that there are two timelines the more clear its SE having its cake and eating it. they will following the og story while at the same time showing a different "happier" path and then merge at the end so we have everyone who dies being replaced in the end with their alt selves. this way everyone can die but nobody stays dead.
Yeah it's something that gets forgotten about but in FF7 the ending is actually bittersweet for another reason, that Humanity ultimately goes extinct despite stopping Sephiroth. Hence why in FF7R, when they see the vision of Red and his cubs from the ending of FF7, Red treats it as the outcome of them failing in the battle against the Harbinger. Because if they don't defeat the Harbinger and the path that Destiny has written for them, their efforts will ultimately be for naught. The Planet will survive but Humanity will still be just as dead.
And frankly I think that's why Aerith herself is fighting against Destiny. While I have no doubt that would want to save Zack, I don't think that's her primary goal. Her goal is to save the Planet AND Humanity.
Idc how much hate this game will get from some people, Im happy Zack is alive even if Aerith doesnt remember him in part two. His story was too depressing. He deserves this.
Yeah, i hope they dont kill off any of the characters in the game so FF7 can be a jolly-go-happy game. Oh wait, they did that..
Christopher Vang nope not yey
Aerith will remember Zack. The Aerith on his timeline (he lives). She won't forget him. Even in the Remake timeline, she remembers him.
@@christophervang9308 If you played Zack and Noctis' tales with no knowledge of anything you'd probably want a different ending too buddy.
I love how you dubbed the better zack voice
I didn't understand the hate until I realized most dont listen to the original Japanese voice actors because they dont mind bad dubbing so they dont realize this new actor sounds closer to the original Japanese Zack in voice tone. His acting is a bit better so I'm happy with it.
I think at the end of AC, when Sephiroth said "I will never be a memory" he realized he could use the Lifestream to send his mind back to the point where he fell into the Lifestream so he was able to intervene through anyone who carried the Jenova/Sephiroth Cells(ie Cloud, Zack, the numbered men, and Jenova pieces).
I don't personally think that Zack survived, so much as that was Aerith seeing a vision of Zack's last stand, him trying to save Cloud, and maybe a hint that he still lives on inside of Cloud's subconscious mind. Kinda like how he appeared in Cloud's near death vision at the end of AC with Aerith and gave him the strength to win.
And maybe the Aerith in the Lifestream was able to fallow Sephiroth back in time to warn herself?
Did you not watch this video? Zack survives in an alternate timeline mainly to show that there can be new possible outcomes with destiny defeated. The timeline in this game Zack is dead. It seems like Aerith saw the outcome of the original game when she was looking into the Lifestream and that's how she knows everything and why she is startled in the alley this time hence the teasing of Sephiroths theme.
I Also theorized that when I heard him saying that. IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE AND HERE WE ARE WITH A NEW TIMELINE. Tho I can't agree with Zack being still dead. He's alive in a different timeline which makes up for his death in my eyes
Also in the ending Barret says that if they go through the portal there is a possibility they are never coming back. So at the end:
1. Did they go back to the Remake timeline after Sephiroth's defeat? If they did it would have a single Remake timeline.
2. If they didn't, it is possible that they created another timeline where our heroes no longer exist as they vanished forever. Creating a Vanished Heroes timeline where Sephiroth of that timeline wins.
3. And if they made it to another timeline where duplicates of themselves exist would create another timeline altogether.
I didn’t even think about Ocarina of Time, but that’s so true. I didn’t even notice any of the Zelda parallels. I am so floored right now!!! Great video!
There are much more things Zelda and FF have in common. (Going from their latest installments)
Both have a hero (Cloud and Link), who is chased by an inescapable evil. Both are exceptional swordsmen and are very socially awkward and stoic, having a hard time speaking about their true feelings. And both fall in love with the heroine they just recently met. Both of them have burdens, which they can just share with their respective heroine.
Oh yeah. And both got some memory issues. And not to forget both have crossdressed lol.
Both games have a heroine (Zelda and Aerith) that met the hero recently and becomes close to him very quickly. Also both heroines have some sort of divine power and a destiny they have to fullfil. They both never had anybody to bear their burdens to until they meet their soulmate, which is the hero. They compliment each other and have a natural relationship.
And both games have the second love interest (Mipha and... Tifa lol), which are both childhood friends of the hero. They love the hero since their childhood, but are to shy to open up to him about their true feelings, which leads to them being unhappy.
It's actually funny how many things these two games share. ^^
And that coming from a giant fan of both of them.
Whispers: Must keep it canon
Me: she must live
Sephiroth: Skippin through time
Cloud: Wait, what?
This is what happens when you overuse haste and slow materia 😔😔😔😔
There is no split timeline. FF7 Remake is in the lifestream. If it was a timeline thing all Aerith or Sephiroth could do is influence the party and give them information. When Cloud got the vision of Aerith's death he shed a tear for someone her bearly knew yet. That tells me it was a returning memory. This game is all inside the lifestream and Aerith is trying to use the party to completely purge it of Sephiroth
You know that wouldn't be a half bad theory. But how do you explain the whispers being the arbiters of fate and what not?
So your saying "It was all a dream" ?
Id accept this over a stupid timeline split but ill wait til the final part drops, not buying part 2 when it comes out
Pretty sure when you asses the harbingers or the whispers they say they are from a future timeline.
also sephiroth has the black feather and black wing he did not ever have that until advent children so he is from that timeline coming back
@@Jake-tx7um they do explain that they are from a future timeline when you use assess on all 3
I know a guy who is staunchly opposed to the changes made and refuses to play it. I like both for what they are.
Tell him to play up to the point where Aerith asks if you want to go through the portal, then tell him to tell Aerith "no", shut the game down and ignore the sequels
Like once, I knew this guy, who knew this guy, who knew this guy, who knew this guy, who knew this guy, who knew this guy, who knew this guy's COUSIN....
@pigjedi I did and he said "no I'm good".
@@KiomonDuck Then reply "No you're not."
I was a little unhappy with it not following the original story. But then after replaying the original and then going back to the remake. I love this remake even more. The way I look at it, it’s going differently because Aerith knows about the future events (original FFVII story) and is hinting at it or trying to change the outcome and create a happy ending but the whispers are trying to keep the original story flowing.
Brah FFVII is BACK in a huge way!!!
3:25 Can we just take a moment to appreciate Barret's design in the Remake?
2:20 I think this is the first time I've heard someone pronounce it 'No Ledge'...
And bom bing mission and Aerif
Wow that was on point. Sometimes the simplest answer or explanation or guess is the right one.
I hope you have a great day and enjoy the video. Everything except the timeline branch of the original Final Fantasy VII and compilation has changed with the Final Fantasy VII Remake Timeline split. I would love to hear your opinion on this.
This really clears most things up im just really confused about Zack living now why that happen?
Great video man! I love the timeline comparison you made between Final Fantasy VII & Zelda. Kinda similar yet very different from each other. I always enjoy your Zelda Content videos, but it would be cool to see more Final Fantasy VII content in your channels. Similar to Zelda, I’d love to see speculations or theories videos on Final Fantasy VII Remake on this Channel. It would be awesome. Anyways, keep up the great content. And also by the way, Cloud Strife & Link are 2 favorite video game characters of all-time. I love these characters & have inspired me a lot.
Will make more videos when we get the reveal of Part 2 of the remake.
where do i find the zelda video with ganondorf
Hoo boy, using The Price of Freedom in this video. You trying to make me cry? Don't think I'll ever get over Zack's death, although I don't know how I actually feel if they've revived him.
A nuanced but important difference, it's not 'time travel' as such - it's Sephiroth communicating and influencing his will through those with Jenova cells via lifestream, which is agnostic to time
I thought this was about ff7 not zelda >.>
You can tell they just wanted to make a FF7R video but they put Zelda in the title so their regular fans will click
Actually no, since this is actually a very interesting way of pointing out similarities between the two Timeline splits.
I mean, it is really similar to the Zelda situation
The price of freedom is steep
Thank god you used Zack's old voice. I don't like the one he got in the remake.
It's closer to the original Japanese actor in tone thats why I'm ok with it. Also like the rest of the cast he is voice acting instead of dubbing. If only you had the Japanese audio option for Crisis Core because Clouds weak ass scream ruined Zack's death.
Aerith is Zelda confirmed
Kind of ;)
I really hope this will lead to a great and cohesive story for the timeline that's been created and detailed; The Legend of Zelda and Dragon Ball have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that parallel-worlds time manipulation significantly complicates stories in ways that are difficult to reign in, but both have proven that it can be done, and I hope the same will be true of Final Fantasy.
there's still more games out there that with muti endings thing. you keep getting different out comes on the choices you make. I hope this FF7 would do the same for the next part of the storyline. a timeline sephiroth would win, zack lives, aerith lives. it would be endless and it gives you a reason to replay it. because it makes you curious on what would happened if you made different choices. would the game end the same way or a different way? I always liked games like that. all those what ifs and it makes you wonder if any of those timelines actually lined up right or not.
theres a reason why both these series are my favorite.
I guess that's why it's called Final Fantasy 7 remake because sephiroth is remaking it in his own image
He (the developers / Nomura) took back control from the Whispers (the reluctant fanbase) to create the alternative sequel story that they want to tell instead of being forced to recreate 1 / 1 what happened in FFVII until 2027. The ending of part 1 was one giant metaphor and message from the development team that we gave you your remake more or less, but from now on it is a new game, but with the same quest and locations.
@@commonwealthrealm well that kind of sucks if the second part is a completely new game it's kind of a big F u to the fanbase. All they wanted was their game remade and now they get like some kind of weird completely new game with a Final Fantasy 7 skin over it.
And a lot of new players will never get to experience what the original story actually was because a lot of people aren't going to replay something that looks really outdated. I never actually played the original game and from how it looks I don't think I ever will I was excited for the new games because I wanted to see what the story was actually about. Even watching a let's play of the old game is painful because I don't like the graphics
I'll make it quick.
I think the death of the Accretion was more for the sake of raising the stakes, remove destiny/fate, and Sephiroth has a greater chance to succeed.
I could be wrong as things are going to get wild.
The whispers are final fantasy vii fans
Thats why they keep monkeying with Aerith's memories. They kept trying to change her name back to Aeris...
Thr zack lives timeline gives me hope for a crisis core 2 where zack trains cloud and is happy with aerith
Estaveler 32 why does zack need to train cloud though? He becomes strong without him eventually.. lol they just fd up the story big time..
Is this remake a ff13 now about time lines and time traveling? lol
How to ruin a classic
@@RIELTURO you still can play the original ff7, you can look at this as an spin off
@@SovietRipper yeah sadly
Squenix has been fascinated with those themes lately haven't they?
Meanwhile, they're leaving a perfectly good franchise that's BUILT on that sort of thing (Chrono Trigger) to rot. 😞
@@jjbb84x true they had the perfect game for this theme.
Kinda spoiler-ish title for those avoiding spoilers but odds are old fans wont like the ending and new fans will just be spoiled cuz the ending literally shows spoilers to the new players, making them have to google things to get spoiled more lol
This is handled poorly by square
Old fan here. I LOVE the remake. It's amazing.
FF7 was a contemporary to Berserk and so used alot of its imagery with Cloud/Sephiroth having a Guts/Griffith dynamic (right down to the oversized sword and troubled, edgy personality for Cloud and the androgynous appearance + white hair for Sephiroth)
Now with the FF7 Remake with the Whispers, they are now incorporating core themes of Berserk (overcoming destiny) to make it different from the OG
If there is a timeline where Zack lives, Cloud wouldn't have adopted Zack's memories/identity or have the Buster Sword. But Cloud would still have survived with SOLDIER mako treatment. I didn't think Zack survived when I played through FF7 Remake but the scene of Zack seeing Midgar surrounded by whispers doesn't make sense. Zack's death takes place well before the events in FF7s intro. Cloud is nursed to health by Tifa after being partially braindead and he just suddenly gains Zack's identity/memories of SOLDIER. Idk. I am hoping they release Remake pt 2 soon but... It seems like the main reason to live now is to hold out long enough to experience that for years to come.
I believe what you said with Zack seeing Whispers surrounding Midgar has to be like...a misconception?
Zack technically doesn't see the Whispers, he's just overlooking Midgar as that's his goal before Shinra Infantrymen got to him.
When he miraculously survived, he was both confused and in awe to an odd event happening that he doesn't even know about, which is the Whispers being killed in a sparkly fashion and his new timeline has now begun.
3:40 You don't like Zack's new voice, i see. But i prefer the scene from the Remake due to the background music and the sound effects that gives it more life
The moment is much more emotional in Crisis Core that is all. Also, I was showing it in the context where he also falls so it was just natural to use the sound clip from Crisis Core.
@@commonwealthrealm Valid point
The FF7 Remake is going to be created to lure in old fans and players of the original franchise whilst trying to do something new with the story. All that being said, the makers realize they must hit each note of the original storyline in order for them to even contemplate messing with the original story and how it's told. The devs want nothing more than to have diehard fans feel like they're playing the original but be surprised as to the new elements brought to the story. This has brought us to this current timeline split we have before us. The story is going to continue to become more elaborate and at the same time the makers are going to make sure to hit every note, place, and instance that the original has to offer. The biggest piece of evidence of this is when Barret gets KILLED by Sephiroth but then comes back to life because that wasn't his destiny. IM SHOCKED NOBODY BRINGS THIS UP IN THEIR EXPLANATION OF THE ENDING AS THAT IS THE SMOKING GUN THAT PROVES THE MAKERS WILL DEVIATE FROM THE MAIN STORY! My worry is that they spent so much time in Midgar that they may not have time to follow the original story and hit every town and nuance of the original. Was it really worth it to have players spend 8 hours walking back and forth in between missions and to introduce characters like Roche when he has no baring on the story and doesn't even show up in the original?! These are all just time wasters where me as a player would actually be further in the story or exploring the world before me. We have to keep in mind that Midgar in the original is debatably the worst part of the story! We still no NOTHING about the main characters at this point in the game! The true essence of why we play is through the latter parts of the story at the end of disc 1, and all of disc 2 and 3. In order to fulfill all these gaps they will need at least three games for sure. Kalm, Golden Saucer, Cosmo Canyon, Costa Del Sol, Corel (and the Dyne/Barret backstory), Mideel, Forgotten Capital, Bone Village, Weapon, Knights of the Round, Neibelheim, Rocket Town, Wutai (which has huge implications on the remake), and even the slap fight! All of this and more will need to be in the game even if the makers are going to do something different with the story. My only worry is if they spent this much time in Midgar then that means the rest of the towns may get lost amongst all the changes. The one thing I know for sure is the ending to this game is going to be a complete mystery until it's played. Fact is, we're all on an incredibly long journey where the nuances of the original will be present but the outcome will be much different than what we experienced in 97'.
The fuck you talking about? Midgar was my favorite part and when you finally go back at the end its like fuuuuuuuuuuuck yeah lets do this!
The ghost of the original fans trying to keep the story intact
I'm not 100% sure that we're dealing with parallel timelines. Plus why bother even showing Zack live if we're not even going to be dealing with a living Zack?
Spin off game that doesn't necessarily have to interact with the remake at all.
Barry fucking Allen you done did it again
FF7 Remake: Multiverse of Madness
I'm more annoyed that Zack isn't the voice guiding Cloud in the remake...
Because it either means that Zack memory is being blocked...
...or that Sephiroth is the only voice inside Cloud's head for the duration of the 3 discs.
I think Sephiroth is messing with Zack’s voice in Clouds head. (If that makes sense.)
Sorry, but a Split did NOT happen when Zack survived, had it, the Shinra Mascot would have been the same. This must have happened before the mascot was created. The destruction of the Arbiter of Fate probably had such a profound effect that it did not just affect the original FF7 timeline going forward, but it also affected it going backwards (hence Zack's survival and the change in the mascot). The Arbiter's of Fate probably exist in non-linear time, meaning their destruction affected all of time, not just the original FF7 timeline at that point. The two Sephiroths nugget we got recently could explain this, but Aerith seems to also been aware of what is happening... maybe both Sephiroth and Aerith exist or perceive time differently than the others due to their Ancient nature. All I know is that I am excited to see where we go from here.
I watched one video and already figured out that it was a different timeline.
FF7R timeline split contains great opportunities. Future Sephiroth's motive(changed or still evil?), Zack's date with Aqua,jenova warstory, knowledge about the Cetra, SOLDIER Ancient Crossbread(suggested by Hojo), Avalanche HQ And even Second Wutai War....and if possibly save our friend Aerith
This makes sense why some fans were upset with the ending, especially that Square Enix confirmed that this is a sequel, not a true remake.
Watles11 they need to change the title of the game because this definitely isnt gonna be ff7.. FF7 A fan’s Happy ending: the game where all protagonists live no matter how many times they are killed, we as developers will make some shit up to keep them alive just like we did with barrett, zack. and avalanche. Yesss, just what we wanted!
@@christophervang9308 But the ones that died on the original game are still dead.
Force in Unison Gaming Zack isnt even in the original and he also died. That’s why cloud carries around his buster sword. Zack is his friend. Have you even played the original? You dont know about zack unless u played crisis core, a psp prequel to ff7. Square just added unnecessary things to the story and now it’s going to be convoluted with bs and be all over the place. For example, if zack is alive, why have cloud carry his sword anymore? Also if zack is alive, we give him all those ptsd seizures ? His seizures are tided with zack and his death too..
@@christophervang9308 The members of Avalanche that died in the original like Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge. At the beginning of Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Zack has already died in Cloud's mind, so all of those past experiences are with him. By altering the timeline, even if Zack were to still be alive, Cloud's memories of the past are still with him, so it will kind of be like the movie Fahrenheit where Jim Caviziel's character has the memories of his dad being dead and alive at the same time. With this change though, we probably won't get to see Cloud losing his mind completely like in FF7, which was very powerful. I kind of wanted to see that in HD.
I want to cry :( i love this game and now that theres a new timeline it just makes me so happy to get to know and see the characters grow all over again and in different ways.
Zack is one of my favourite characters! Would be cool to see more of him and potentially play as him again!!
yeaah
Since the timeline of FF7 remake has been re-written does that mean that this could still lives of Zacks memories and hasn't got his own back yet?
It makes sense that Sephiroth is messing with time, when Aerith says going through the door there is no coming back and the edge of creation which doesn't exist is what sephiroth says.
He knows he can't die but living in purgatory must suck for him becoming one with the planet really sucks and he wants to change that, you have to remember also in the Dirge FF7 genesis is alive which he is sealed under by minerva and if you beat dirge you get a secret ending which shows the seal being broken.
You never know they might flip the scripts and bring the whole cast of dirge to the scene and genesis is the boss and this time sephiroth joins up but that's just a theory. Also the fact that they show some of the jessies gloves near the end also could be a big change especially when cloud walks past zack carrying cloud and he survived the attack which killed him in crisis core and the fact zack seen the ghost swirling around shinra. also the fact he see's things happening he seen before like building coming down and he ducks and guy goes are you okay? even seeing her die and the materia dropping. so yeah sephiroth is messing with the timeline for sure.
I cannot wait for 2nd half.
SPOILER WARNING FOR THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE
What if Aerith knew she was going to die somehow, and decided to try and change her fate.
So, all consequences and tension are gone now right? Why should I care about what happens to any of the characters if there's just an alternate timeline where the opposite happens? Why should I care about a better future if the bad future still exists and visa versa?
As someone who played the Original & all other FF7 Spin offs, I must say: I LOVE THE ENDING & EVERY CHANGE MADE! It really was what deep down I've been always hoping for - Zack & Aerith...Biggs, Wedge, Jesse somehow to survive.
Great job Nomura and Nojima! Another Masterpiece indeed. Can't wait for the next game!
Jessie is dead. Biggs is alive. Chapter 12 log confirms it.
I’m a little conflicted with this whole alternate timeline route but hopefully they do what Star Trek did and acknowledge the presence of the OG characters (like Advent Children Cloud, Tifa, Barret etc.) and since the last canon story of the OG timeline is Dirge of Cerberus where it ended in a cliffhanger with Genesis, Weiss etc still kicking and their plan is still unknown
I'm wondering if Zack is actually dead in FF7R. It reminds me of what happened in DC Flashpoint. Ripples move in multiple directions, so is the past we saw, the one they walked back into at the end, or did they walk back into the world they left? I cant wait to play the next section to find out.
Zack is dead in the Remake Timeline. The timeline where he lives is an alternate timeline that was newly created as soon as they defested the harbinger because just like you said, it rippled through different realities. Unlike flashpoint, this created another timeline where the characters aren't in.
@@justatypicalyoutuber8402 They didn't do a great job of explaining it in the game, thank you for clearing that up for me.
They aren't splitting shit man. Square is making it so that you'll be hyped and excited to see what happens in the coming games. They're making you wonder if aerith will survive, but the ending and allusion to changing fate in part 1 only serves to hype up the rest.
Can't see them changing very much in the end
Timeline split is the same theory that i have imagined too.
OG players know "Aerith" as "Aeris".
Me: How many times did you see the future?
Sephiroth: 14,000,605 times
Me: How many times did you win?
Sephiroth: One. Remake.
It would be really ace if you did more FFVII coverage on your channel 🤩
Most likely building up to Part 2.
The key scene, is The Last Fight with sephiroth in FF7 Remake when he call meteor.
1. Defeat sephiroth FF7remake (meteor scene) is mean "FF7adventchildren" destroyed, FF7 Original Story change/rewrite.
The story is : zack and aerith alive,
Next chapter : Tifa die(meteor scene), Barret(sephiroth stab), Biggs/jessie(battle in sector).
2. Not defeat sephiroth FF7remake (meteor scene), is mean FF7 Story stick in "advent children".
The story is : FF7 Crisis core, Original, Advent children.
zack and aerith die - barret/tifa/jessie/biggs alive
7 Second enough for cloud, please choose option no 1 or 2.
"be careful now... cloud" - Sephiroth
Getting more confusing and interesting. Did Sephiroth create ordinary whispers or new story in Remake?
I don’t see how a change in one timeline effects the other. It would only effect that particular timeline. I think that showing Zack was just a fan service moment to show that different outcomes and fates are possible.
Maybe, but keep in mind the other Avalanche members who are suppose to be dead are probably alive. Zack could be alive and I think he has a decent chance of being playable in the sequel.
Naw bro. Square will bring him in the next game to over convolute the game some more. Cloud and zack will fight each other for ownership of the buster sword and Aeriths love because she obviously isnt going to die anymore either.
Had more time to let it sink in the ending, the ff7 remakes guys had to reset our expectations for a new game.
The producers said to themselves, we've shown the world we can remake ff7 and done a very good job thats 50%, the next 50% of games coming up is a fresh new take on the story.
So 50% original, next 50% a fresh new game. So they are giving fans best of both worlds.
Same world, same characters but different story.
They done it well tbh.
But I hope the differences of past events, by beating the Whispers are shown as flashbacks for information only of how different it woulda been, like a 'what if', and not a different timeline that ppl are aware of. Coz in the actual ff7 remake we played Zack is dead, but we need flashbacks of past to inform players of how different the story will be.
Use flashbacks as information only, to show the changes due to our consequences and we play the future result.
Remember, with ff7remake there's alot of stuff in the past that happens.
In hinduism funny enough, we don't believe in destiny so much, because it's unfair if your born having to live a life pre-destined for misery. We believe you have karma, which isn't how the west believe it as what goes around comes around, that's wrong.. There's no scale system. Karma means action, your action can rewrite your life regardless its up to. This is what is happening in ff7 remake. They players know their future, they will change it if they can.
Remember, gaia is a sentient planet that manifests how it feels.. So concepts such a defence system when threatend like the weapons as represented and whispers to show destiny.
So I'm slowly beginning to accept it, but will hate it if there are too many timelines like dbs or chrono trigger.
So flashbacks of past I. E. If Zack is alive, is just information to players of how the past story has changed given the defeat of planet whispers I. E. Destiny manifest, still the same timeline and not alternative one. I'd like it like that.
The producers used the planets sentient nature, to drive the storyline and change it.
Gaia is alive and has defence mechanisms of concepts to manifest. If its in trouble, weapons come out. If destiny is not followed in the planets belief, as it believes in it whispers come out to help.
It's just that sephiroth or the effect of whispers showed the ff7 characters their fate. They wanna go against planet.
So it's ff7 team vs sephiroth and Gaia.
Tbh after completing the game I never got how different they were planning to change it, after doing further research.
Just to be clear..
When I say alternative time line I mean for example that I don't want the current ff7remake team to meet future or past ff7 remake team and have multiple storylines.
I accept though that the ff7 remake story will change due to Gaia whispers and sephiroth evil plans. Flashbacks I. E zack, only correcting what we already know to update our knowledge.
So we will have the original story line of all ff7 compilations and this ff7 remake as a spinoff.
It's like villains in video game hell talk and compare notes for their return.
Is this a "change something in the past changes the future as well"?
The way i see it is that back in 1997 square was limited on what it could put in the game due to the tech they had at that time.Now they have the technology,they can tell the story but with way more detail.Think about how much homage they payed to the original game, we got,in my opinion 95% of the original game but with alot more depth.In my opinion the story will stay faithful to the original, aerith still dies and so does zack but the relationship between cloud and zack might deviate slightly to give it more depth.
Thanks for using Zacks of voice
Why put a spoiler warning in the video when the title itself is a spoiler?
Sephiroth didn't alter the time line. Cloud must have altered the past to save his friends. Zack, Biggs and Wedge are alive. Last boss is gonna be God Cloud.
Calling this a remake was misleading because its not a remake. This game is a re-imagine which is a different concept than a "Remake". I am not excited moving forward into the next part of this "REMAKE".
Agree square fucked everyone with this
I think on paper, and as a concept sounds good. But in actual execution, complete and utterly FUBAR!
There is no time travel at all.
What everyone sees, from our heroes to our villains, are only all the possible outcomes that can occur. However, that's all they are: Possibilities and probabilities. Sephiroth, via his insano powers obtained from Jenova, somehow saw a future where he lost so miserably without any hope of his mama, Jenova, reconquering the Planet. Aerith, via her Ancient powers, saw the potential future where she died and ascended as a Lifestream entity. The scene where Zach carries Cloud back to Midgar is just a probable outcome, but not reality. For all we know, maybe the so-called "world" where Zach still lives, maybe that's some kind of pocket dimension forged from the Planet itself, forged as Aerith's personal afterlife: Remember that the Planet is alive, and Aerith can commune with the Planet. In fact, I do find it curious that apparently no one addresses the probability that the Ancients weren't extinguished by Jenova, but rather abandoned their fleshy bodies to merge their souls with the Lifestream. As for the Whispers, they're extensions of the Planet's will, neither good nor evil, doing their duty to maintain balance over the life and death of the Planet, but still susceptible to the corrupting influence of a being as OPd as Sephiroth.
Hope this is true cuz if not the remake is trash
can someone tell me what video the ganondorf vs link fight is from
I liked the parallels drawn but I think it works in Ocarina of Time since a big theme of that game was well TIME and they didn't talk about destiny shinanegins. Remake just swerved hard right into what felt like an excuse to have an Advent Children-like fight. However, I will say after understanding the end it makes the replay value higher as you notice Zelda er, I mean, Aerith outing herself with comments like, "The future isn't written." "Find Marlene, right?" and when she calls Barret Marlene's Dad without knowing. (Felt weird the first time through but passable. On second playing it's mind blowing.)
Also why is there a death battle Link vs Cloud and not Aerith vs Zelda?
ZELDA Is Aerith?????🤣🤣🤣
I don't think we have enough information at the moment to make a call as to the events of timelines. it is very possible that in the FF7R we have Zack again now that the Arbiters of fate are gone. Thus it was no longer Zack's fate to die there for the events of the original timeline to take place. I don't think anyone actually acknowledges time travel at all in the game in fact. but they merely got glimpses into the future they were destined to have. at least that was my interpretation. I don't subscribe to the Futurama alternate dimension/timeline idea. (where pretty much all timelines are the same but with one or two inconsequential differences. in this case being Shinra's doge mascot.) it really depends on which version of time travel they go with. if they even try for timelines and time travel. it's pretty open actually and I think they did this on purpose. in the event that the fan base hates this new direction, then the dev team can course correct. Or, if the new ideas are welcomed the dev team are free to try out new things but I really don't think they are going to deviate too much from the tried and true, proven to work, beaten path set by the original.
my only argument for this all being one new continuity to replace the original is that the Arbiters of Fate seem to exist outside of time itself. meaning that if the Arbiters you fight are created by the future that is to come, and they exist in the past, (meaning their boss fight) then they would essentially exist across all of time. destroying them really at any point in any time and then they cease to exist basically altogether. rather then they exist and control over an infinite number of timelines with again, the only difference being inconsequential banners, mascots, colors of T-shirts, which boy bands rocked out loud, or in the case that this video is getting across, timelines that's only difference being that there are only a few days to a week in difference in time between the very start of the game, and the ending scene where Zack walks past the Avalanche team in alternate dimensions.
This is where messing with time travel really starts to hurt your brain. As much as I hate to be that guy. yes, FF7R is a game for the fans. however the games still need to be able to draw in new audiences. how many of us were kids/teens when we played the first FF7 23 years ago? how many of us have kids now that will play these games? I'm sure the Dev team learned their lesson from how poorly received Kingdom Hearts 3 was. don't go crazy with multiple timelines and alternate dimensions. multiple timelines, means multiple Sephiroths. where did we see something like this before? Sephiroth seems to be the only one able to move between the timelines, or at least access and move between dimensions. meaning if they want this to work, they have to keep to really one timeline without dragging in characters from alternate timelines running parallel to the one in the game. meaning that seeing Zack at the end of this game just to show there are now multiple timelines and nothing is ever planned to be done with them is a waste.
we also have to remember that we see Biggs alive at the end of this game as well as it being hinted at that Jessie made it out too. the Arbiters were swarming the streets and the tower at the time because that was destined to fall and take out as many people as it could. however there really is no reason to suspect that they are in a different timeline from the one Avalanche is in right now. my theory on this is that by destroying the Fates, you wouldn't prevent their influences after that point in time, but you would undoing everything they had destined for people throughout time itself. (Since the Fates seem to exist outside of time) meaning, Zack, Wedge, Biggs, and Jessie would all be alive and well in this new timeline. to erase to one in the original game 23 years ago.
I guess I would have changed the title of the video for a less spoiler name. I already beat it but I’m not sure if so many have.
And other think the Buster swort is soo diferent agains the Crisis Core and Advent C. Swort
This is the 2nd video I have seen trying to explain tbe game that leaves out Red XIII's vision. Its a vision not only 500 years into the future but one EVERYONE saw. Didn't Barrett even ask, "What the hell was that?"
I think Red has a connection like Aerith and has seen the future himself at points. Its also why he seemed kinda gloom in his response. We also know what he saw.
I bet timelines are going to intersect one another, which is why there's both a sense of confusion and deja vu.
Finally, Sephiroth being at the edge of creation is interesting because the celestial background reminds me of the end of his Supernova summon, which, essentially erases creation.
I have a question...is the ocarina of time related the time travel devices from Skyward Sword?
The Ocarina of Time is said to be made of Timeshift Stones.
- Hyrule Historia
FF7 remake = shit stain on the legacy of the original
As long as there will be no intertwining or coming together of the timelines i think all will be fine as that would create an unnecessary mess of things (more so than it already is)
Wait - a few years for the 2nd installment? I thought there were no leads on when it might be released..
There isn't any official release date but the FF7R team started working on part 2 pretty much as soon as part 1 came out, and with the groundwork for the engine, thousands of assets, models and code already created, it shouldn't take nearly as long. If we compare this to the FFXIII release schedule, then between FFXIII and FFXIII-2 it was 2 years.
Ralith I really want to know if we get to transfer our existing gear/level to the second installment. Or if we start out with nothing but the buster sword again...
but what's even more mind fucking. that sephiroth had infected so much history. there's no way to tell what histroy's actually the right one we are seeing. crisis core has given a hint something's a bit off with the whole Zack case. not only that but at the very beginning when he was in the middle of training than the date sephiroth appeared out of no where and angeal told him that wasn't meant to happen at all. even the anime version showed he died differently. crisis core he died from fighting for to long to the point he's in a blink of death. anime he had his guard down and got killed by a sniper. there's also the case with cloud keeps remembering differently "10 years ago" on between sephiroth had a mental break down and how Zack died. and here's date sephiroth once again in the "remake" appearing out of no where. and now I'm guessing sephiroth from the very start I guessing after he died. he already was trying to change histroy. would explain why the spin-offs felled a bit off on some places and the original game timeline I betting he was testing how powerful he is so far. would explain why he was playing puppet master from the original game. alot of things has happened in this game. but at lest with FF8 you have some ideas what was going on with what was real and what was not real.
I haven't played any Zelda games so this is an interesting perspective. I wonder who Zack compares to in Zelda.
The Hero of Time.
I don't care about the spoiler as i'm going to wait for the PC release anyways. I'd be forgot the ending by than.
So…..this means cloifa fans still have a chance to see them get together
So nobody, except the countless random security guards, actually die in the Remake?
Brent Loy yes, all ff7 characters have auto-life on so they cant die now no matter how many times sephiroth stabs them.
So is there any chance of Genesis in next parts of FF7 Remake?
Square does not own the rights to Genesis anymore. They will reference him as G. The question is how they will handle the Nibelheim Incident.
@@commonwealthrealm they can just create Genesis like character, this is new reality after all
@@commonwealthrealm Thoughts on Ever Crisis where Crisis Core is gonna be part of it?
You already spoiled at the title... a little too late for the warning -_-
Hello. Just to let you know, the title of your video is very likely a major spoiler for someone who hasn't beaten FF7R yet. Just saying.
Until proven otherwise, I personally do not believe that parallel timelines/universes/realities have been created, but that there is a single, linear timeline in the FF7 universe, and its events have now been altered. Allow me to explain: The existence of the whispers and their mission to preserve events exactly as they occurred previously tells me that there is but one reality, otherwise they would not care if things turn out differently in another timeline.
Some people say that there are now two Sephiroths in the FF7 world, but I believe this to be farcical as well. Look at Aerith: it is clear that it is her future consciousness possessing her past self. I believe this to be the same for Sephiroth: he came back into his body imprisoned in Mako at the North Crater, when he was at the height of his power, so that he could once again control all of the Jenova cells in the world and use his clones as vehicles for his consciousness. The difference now is that he has the added mission of changing the course of destiny, which he does through Cloud, in tricking the latter into destroying the whispers. He also manifests himself to Cloud and the others much earlier than he did in the original game.
For the ending with Zack, I believe that the deaths of the whispers has caused ripples across time, even into the past, where Zack is able to change his fate. Aerith, her consciousness being from a future that no longer exists, is able to perceive this change in the past in sensing Zack's survival, just as she once sensed his death in Crisis Core. Cloud, on the other hand, would instantly have had his memories altered, and he now must have obtained the Buster Sword and Zack's identity in some other way, since Zack in now alive with the past having changed. As for Stamp's image, well, it could have been that that was from the cartoon dog's early debut, which later changed into a beagle, and now will remain the original, unchanged terrier it once was for some as-yet unknown reason (the past has changed). Why this particular moment in history was affected is anyone's guess, but I personally theorize that it's because it was at this very moment in time that Sephiroth's consciousness from the future arrived and possessed his past self, but I could be wrong. (Conversely, I believe that we witness the exact moment Aerith's future consciousness takes control of her past self in the very beginning of the game, which is why she starts out with her eyes closed, whereas they were open in the original game. But we see the same scene at the end of FF7 with Aerith opening her eyes, indicating the cyclical nature of her mind.)
One problem, however, which some people may point out, is the recent translation from the new Ultimania which states that there are two Clouds which cannot recognize each other, and that the one still carries the Buster Sword while the other is helped along by a surviving Zack. While on the surface this does seem to indicate two alternate universes with two of every character, it could simply mean that there are literally two Clouds appearing onscreen at once. As I said earlier, I believe that this is Aerith perceiving the change to the timeline.
So, in a nutshell, I believe the timeline of FF7 to be one linear continuum, albeit one that sees major alterations, and that the events of the original timeline no longer exist. Until proven otherwise, this is how I will interpret the story.
Interesting takes, thanks for writing this
"The existence of the whispers and their mission to preserve events exactly as they occurred previously tells me that there is but one reality, otherwise they would not care if things turn out differently in another timeline." -- the 'singularity' event (name of the zone of the final fight) essentially created the timeline split when king whisper was vanquished, so prior to this, there were was only 1 singular timeline (perhaps not 'timeline split' but for different timelines to become accessible as such)
"Some people say that there are now two Sephiroths in the FF7 world, but I believe this to be farcical as well..." -- agree with your para. It's not 'time traveling' as such, but Sephiroth traveling thru and influencing thru those with Jenova cells, hence his first appearance to Cloud in Remake was not corporeal
"For the ending with Zack, ..." -- hmm... I don't agree with your interpretation regarding the chip packet. I think it was such obvious placement that you must logically conclude it's another timeline, and would be a bit petty and cheap for the devs to throw us off that...
"So, in a nutshell, I believe the timeline of FF7 to be one linear continuum, albeit one that sees major alterations, and that the events of the original timeline no longer exist. Until proven otherwise, this is how I will interpret the story.
" -- I reckon the biggest proof point that there MUST be multiple timelines (in FF and I guess time travel as a concept in general) is that the Cloud we know from the Remake is still 'Cloud' even after Zack continues to live / killing King Whisper... essentially the classic issue of 'temporal paradox' when we talk time travel
In other words, if it was just 'one' timeline similar to say Back to the Future, then altering past events (i.e. Zack lives) would render the events we just witnessed no longer in existence (i.e. Cloud wouldn't be who he had been throughout Remake if he killed King Whisper to allow Zack to live, but then doesn't allow Cloud to be who he is in Remake, to have killed King Whisper, to allow Zack to live, etc....). If it was 'one' timeline then having vanquished King Whisper Cloud would just fade away and no longer exist... or not have the Buster Sword... or Aerith wouldn't have met Cloud... etc etc we wouldn't have gone thru the whole adventure in Remake
@@tarutso I can see why you'd think Cloud would fade, but nobody has time traveled to prove this would happen. It could well be that the space-time continuum corrects itself by filling in information, however improbable. Cloud's memories would have altered on the spot, with Aerith's being unaffected because her consciousness is immune. Now instead of receiving the Buster Sword and his new identity from a dead Zack, it happened a different way.
I know I'm reaching a bit here, but I really dislike multiple timelines and I hope Square comes up with something more creative.
@@GeonusKaikun I hear you dude. I'm quite anxious about all this potential multiverse stuff and the way I'm thinking about it to quell that anxiety a bit at least until we get the second game is, that what's happened in the original has happened and this is Sephiroth's next attempt at getting what he wants. And our heroes will have to go above and beyond to defeat him once again
I reckon some people including Maximilian Dood are thinking perhaps multiverse and then some type of convergence etc. I reckon they don't go down that route coz it gets way too convoluted, having multiple Clouds, multiple Aeriths etc. I reckon the Zack scene is really a memento for the Aerith in our timeline, in that having defeated King Whisper, there is a Zack out there who may be alive but they can never meet (unless in the lifestream of course), hence Aerith having sensed Zack is not happy or elated at all
Potential major spoiler from other FF7 canonical works / novellas etc:
I heard this from the Dropped Frames podcast where they mentioned that Cloud could be like a sort of a 'horcrux' for Sephiroth. In that, as long as people 'remember' Sephiroth, then he can materialise through them. So perhaps the anticipated 'death' of our heroes is not Aerith or Tifa, etc, but Cloud??? How crazy would that be dude...
@@tarutso Whoa, that would be crazy! Imagine if Cloud, the main protagonist, just dies midway through the saga. We'll all be like, "What?"
One sticking point for me is that FF7 is now becoming too much like FF8. While I love both games, they are distinct, and will ever be grouped together because they mark the new generation of Final Fantasy games that came out after the jump to 3D. That's why you hear so many people talking about FF7 and FF8 in the same breath, and even hoping that this will yield a remake for the latter.
Now with time travel, the two games with too many similarities will be even more similar to one another. They've already turned Cloud's character into something too close to Squall's in this iteration, playing up his "not interested" attitude to the level of Squall's "whatever."
That's a concern of mine that I bet most people don't think of, at least not consciously.
@@GeonusKaikun To clarify the horcrux thing, this isn't just a random thought the guys had,. It's based on some short passages called Lifestream White/Black in the novellas (?) which talk about how Sephiroth needs Cloud to continue to live (which blew my mind and explains why Seph esp in AC and Remake has a huge hard on for Cloud all the time and say shit like "run, you need to survive, etc")
Re FF7 and FF8 blurring together, a few points on this. I heard the FF8 devs (perhaps Nojima mainly given he was the writer) mentioned they initially wanted to put a lot of Laguna stuff in but was worried players wouldn't have liked that so pared back. Apparently, it turned out that fans loved the Laguna portion and would have loved more. So perhaps this is spurring Nojima in adding more of those types of elements into Remake. I do hope you're right that this doesn't essentially dilute the essence of what made FF7 original so unique - and having read thru some of the dev interviews including those who do the sound/lighting etc, they repeatedly mention respect for the original. Given what we've seen in Remake I'm cautiously optimistic that they know what they're doing
On slightly different note, I was following the streamer 'FF Peasant's' Remake ending discussion stream who just finished the game a few days ago, and he mentioned how FF7 OG was a huge gamble - moving from Nintendo to PlayStation, largest game budget in history, etc - and what we got was a landmark masterpiece. Clearly Square is taking yet another huuuge risk, mainly to do with the concept/theory/direction of the game (as opposed to say more technical/engine/investment risk) and I'm just hoping that this risk is taken for good reasons, and what results is another masterpiece of an experience by the end of this series of games
Re character development - good point re Cloud v Squall, haven't thought about it that way. IMO, even though 2 characters may be somewhat similar, they are still characters in their own right? We know the backstories are drastically different, so hopefully those fundamentals keep them distinct. But given Nojima is at work here, I truly hope he is very very conscious of this, and is developing the characters in a thoughtful way to ensure they are unique and true to fan expectations generally. The fact that he ain't a fucking mopey dude as seen in AC was a huge relief. But dude, I think there are also touches which make Cloud different from Squall (tho maybe perhaps due to technical advancement in Remake) - stuff like that small grin in front of Jessie he had when doing that little jumpey move right after reactor 1, or his quips and stuff w Wedge/Biggs/Jessie which shows some of his immaturity given he was frozen for years and lacked such development