Final Fantasy 7 Remake Ending Breakdown - What Does It All Mean?

[@Alex35749]

FInal Fantasy fans: This ending is confusing.
Kingdom Hearts fans: Seems pretty normal and simple to me.

[@MelonCatto]

I think you mean simple and clean.
I'll leave, sorry.

[@TrueKingOmega]

@@MelonCatto Don't, it's a good song.

[@MoonSpirit12.]

Facts

[@Leprutz]

Fucking made my day. I played Kingdom heart 1 and 2 both and loved them. But then I started playing the other games and they bored the shit out of me.

[@jarosbodytko6462]

This is what I fear most about FF7 Remake part 2: that the story will become as convoluted and idiotic as Kingdom Hearts. One of the great things about FF7 and FF in general is that the stories are fairly straightforward without being simplistic. KH however is just a hot mess. Fun to play, but narratively I don’t know what the story writers have been smoking.

[@vashe4008]

It's funny how in the original game, everyone wanted to find a way to resurrect Aerith and now that the remake gives the very possiblity that Aerith might not die, everyone hates it.. LOL

[@Leprutz]

Well I didn't want her to die while playing. But I loved it. From a storytelling point of view that was amazing and even needed. FF7 wouldn't have been FF7 with Aerith surviving, would it?

[@TheRedCapesClan]

I hate that it was advertised as a remake but I want her to live. I’ve wanted that since 1997

[@Ace-eu4ui]

@@TheRedCapesClan Honestly the twist of it not being a faithful Remake wouldn't have landed quite as powerfully if it was hinted at more strongly than they already did in the title alone.

[@queelude9]

Makes me worried for Tifa now though..

[@Kaiyou1691]

The fact that they made us NOT want Aerith to die in the first place is the whole point though. It shows that they had a character that we grew to actually care about in that original game. That’s at least why I’m worried about what they’ll do from here. I wouldn’t want them to risk cheapening her death scene.

[@sethrasmussen3375]

I think the name Final Fantasy 7 "Remake" wasn't intended to be a "remake" as in remaster of the game, it's a remake of the whole timeline of Final Fantasy 7.

[@frenchfries4817]

I hope its true

[@frenchfries4817]

I dont feel comfortable while playing the game lol. Because i know what will happen next if the story didnt change.

[@joseduran4437]

Exactly what they were going for, it was in front of everyone's faces in pain sight. Slight of hand at its finest

[@JesusIsELOHIM]

Story not going to change aerith will die and zack wont be alive

[@TheIllustriouBlueJay]

@@JesusIsELOHIM 1. Love your name.
2. Zack will likely be the one that prevents Aerith's death.

[@Seedmember]

I think that the Zack scene was just to show to us that from now on events can unfold in a different way. In a different timeline Zack survived, in the og both he and Aerith died, in the Remake timeline who knows what will happen. Maybe they'll bring in everyone, maybe they won't.
I'd love to see an updated version of the og game as well, but with this ending I now have so many questions, expectations and anticipation for what's to come. It's no longer familiar waters we're sailing in and it honestly is exciting. I'm practically hyped up for a game that hasn't been announced yet.

[@braingame007]

I personally think that because they destroyed fate, the ripple went forward and backward in time , or at least backwards in time where the whispers intervened to make sure came to pass was erased. Meaning he is now alive somewhere in the timeline they walked into by challenging fate. We can't assume he is dead or it's a different timeline because there are little things different. Just have to wait and see, though it doesn't hurt to speculate as we are all doing.

[@kaisarnero666]

So, next cloud would use weapon name buster hammer..?

[@donaldcurry1020]

sadly it all wrong with i learned not to long ago the devs want the whispers on the OG game and they are in the ff7 lore. it the black stuff coming out of seph hands in AC. which means they are do as they told you they would, they said think of it as expanded story with all ff7 lore in it.

[@JesusIsELOHIM]

Zack is dead and will be dead in the remake that ending was cloud having a flash back in the next part we will play as zack in the past zack will not ve alive in the present idk how people are missing that or dont get it yet dont get your hopes up zack will not be alive

[@michaelwilson5114]

@@JesusIsELOHIM The more I think about it the more I think Zack is still dead and its like you said a flashback (although I think it's Aerith sensing, not literally seeing, Zack due to her connection with the lifestream - the visual representation is just for us). He is injured and its just starting to rain - when he died in CC it was pouring down. I think its just going to play out a little differently with Zack succumbing to his injuries just moments after that scene we saw fade away instead of being gunned down by the 3 new Shinra soldiers that showed up after the big showdown in CC - but he is still going to die in the pouring rain, pass off the Buster Sword to Cloud so that he can dull the edge that Angeal and Zack tried so hard to keep sharp, and Cloud is still going to build up his false memories.

[@BritishSplendor]

"The reunion at hand may bring joy. It may bring fear. But let us embrace whatever it brings... for they are coming back."
This quote from the original trailer makes A lot of sense now.

[@stespin]

Except they are not, because as stated by Aerith right before we enter that clusterfuck of an ending, once inside there's no turning back and even us (the characters) aren't going to be the same anymore.

[@ff8masterc]

@@stespinBy they, they clearly meant Aerith and Zack. Got em!

[@BritishSplendor]

I mean it's more about them hoping we embrace whatever happens no matter how different the story may be.

[@ppmguire]

@@BritishSplendor Precisely. "Why I was hesitant" is pretty much the devs screaming we were hesitant to remake this in fear of pissing off the fans. Well I know one way to not piss us off, don't fuck with the story and that they did. I would have been perfectly ok with the whispers being left out, and staying true to the original with more things flushed out like they did then end after the highway boss saying "the journey will continue".

[@GeranBeast]

@@ppmguire god, wouldn't that have been beautiful. honestly, it would have been perfect. i would have felt so fulfilled and satisfied. but nomura is involved, we'll never have nice things again so long as he gets to touch final fantasy with his filthy hands.

[@HaitaniMasayuki]

Final Fantasy 7.77: Aerith Will (Not) Die

[@chrisstone-streetlightinte5629]

Hahaha! That was exactly what I thought when I finished the game...FFVII done pulled an Evangelion.

[@xxSpike1989xx]

to be fair aerith death is beyond played out. we've had 20 years to digest it.. we could watch aeriths death in 10k and it wouldn't have the same impact as it did 20 years ago.

[@marhawkman303]

@@xxSpike1989xx Yeah, that bit about "change ourselves" IE maybe now it's a branching story and there's the possibility of having Aerith NOT die? What would that do to the story?

[@xKayNee]

To be fair, there's always the possibility she could still die. Future is unclear, anything is possible. Let's hope anyways.

[@jemican4500]

ff 7 what if

[@Wilks228]

I think a lot of people aren’t understanding that they did this in order to create the same emotions people had when they first played the game. They’ve said that future instalments will still closely follow the original plot, and given what a fantastic job they did of that in this game I feel assured they’ll continue. Sure other prequels and sequels haven’t been super well done up to this point, but judge this game by this game, not by other things they’ve done. On top of that, they’ve now managed to show us that there will still be some surprises along the way, what is the best way they could recreate the tragedy of aerith’s death? By telling us it might not have to happen, by giving us hope.

[@raveoreynolds6049]

Breaking the 4th wall as they've done here does the anything BUT make you feel emotions as you did in the original. It completely takes you out of the story/world and makes it impossible to invest in. What meaning does a death have when you know there are just 20 others where it doesn't?

[@GOHST13ly]

Of course they’re going to say that. They also said this was going to be a “remake.” Why would they say “oh yup things are going to be different with the next game”? That would ruin any surprises they have in store for us.

[@domx7zero157]

@@GOHST13ly And what about new players? people who waited for the remake to experience FF7 for the first time and paid 80$ for it. Who is supposed to be happy with this except Crisis Core fans
purely cause they want more Zack regardless of what it does to the original story. They didnt make this remake only for old fans. So yeah if it's not a remake but a different timeline sequel OF COURSE they should've branded it as such.

[@domx7zero157]

@@GOHST13ly I don't think "surprises" of this magnitude are a good call for either old fans or new players

[@IiI_Gogeta_IiI]

Why are people so mad about the remake? Not to mention the ending doesn't actually prove Zack didn't die it just showed that Zack didn't die at that point for all we know Zacks death is a constant in all timelines regardless of how he dies kind of like in Avengers Endgame Ironmans death or dven just Black Widows death is a set occurance so the fact she died cant be changed. Maybe Zack is meant to die either which way and the remake ending is effectively just him biding his time unknowingly.
People who are mad are just against change, it's the same thing with the MCU people are made it doesn't follow the continuity of the comics when it was never meant to as for the Remake sure the expectation was its a remake in the way of copy paste the story and just fix mechanics. I don't recall prior to the remakes release or during marketing and such they ever said it's a true remake I think people just made an assumption because they saw the word remake and thought "yea same game!!!" even I did when I first saw it, but I love it even more now because it's something new. I don't think it's correct to say "oh the next game is something brand new" because at rhe end they are still following the same story line they are still going to go defeat sephiroth and Cloud still has a personality disorder the remake didn't take all that away what the remake did is change some actions the crew might make in the following game. They will still defeat Sephiroth but how they defeat him is going to be different

[@jessedoyle4308]

Did anyone else think Biggs looked like Charlie Sheen from Hot Shots. The whole game I called him Charlie, red bandana and everything!

[@jarosbodytko6462]

Yup.

[@simonmasters8081]

Thank you someone else also thinks that biggs looks like Charlie sheen. Everytime I saw him in a cutscene I was like you really look like Charlie sheen haha.

[@michaelwilson5114]

That and every time I saw chocobo Sam I call him Chocobo Sam Elliot

[@Bigshot0910]

definitely. What about Palmer though? Every time he smiled I felt likemi was looking at a fat Mark Hamill as the Joker.

[@yungp2347]

Yelling in the background "Winning!" Lol def Charley sheen

[@Growmetheus]

And thats when Sephiroth stored his heart inside Barret so that he could begin his quest for the 13 sephiroths

[@lnuma92]

No, no, no. We don't do that here. 🤣

[@chillycrab96]

Heh

[@chillycrab96]

Yup no xeno here

[@JM-cf8zy]

Hmm 🤔 interesting maybe....

[@ThiagoOliveira1984]

It wouldn´t surprise me, after that Heartless ripoff boss

[@pixiecreamfull1]

12 year old me would’ve been happy at the prospect of Aerith getting a chance to live, 29 year old me knows though that that’s not the reason why the game stuck with me for so long 😔 smh

[@ff8masterc]

Played the game when it first came out, I'm thrilled we can finally save her. We'll also probably learn a lot more about the ancients now too.

[@mightybro439]

Yes thats why its call "remake" not remastered

[@mightybro439]

If you watch the end of part one Aerith opens a portal to a different time line... In this timeline Zack fair has survived unlike in the original ff7.... In the boss fight against the arbiters who are basically trying to repeat the events in the original ff7 however cloud defeated the arbiters and fate itself plus the flash forwards of the future they saw in the boss fight to which red13 replied that this vision would be the result if they failed to defeat the arbiter but they were successful and they have denied their original fate so the story is bound to change and I really hope aerith survives......this first part has given me hope and so have the words of the developers I hope she survives..

[@campkira]

We r old.... Let facet they try to hook u in to made u buy part 2... It just become ff13-2....we change ending again.....

[@pixiecreamfull1]

Mighty Bro yes I know, I clocked it last night, im missing what you’re trying to get at here? Im saying that there’s a whole lot of character development that won’t happen now that they’ve opened up this whole possibility of different timelines and having characters like Aerith survive now. And remake vs remastered.. there’s very little difference in these words and they still give off the wrong impression about what this game really is: it’s re-imagined. I think people are allowed to feel a bit cheated by this

[@aggyd.3272]

Why aren't the whispers there when Cloud was dancing?....That wasn't part of the og game..... XD

[@EricWZ]

Just an opinion, but perhaps it wasnt a significant enough change that would alter the entire course of fate itself.
Or perhaps it was just in there for some comedic relief.

[@aggyd.3272]

@@EricWZ that would make sense...they could've at least watched the show cause I am certain Cloud's not doing that again xD

[@w33aboojones]

Tbh I'm fine with it. So many people are gonna be mad about this, but Im part of the group that says if you like the original so much, at least Square is still validating it by making it mandatory for you to know the story so you can tell when the party is defying fate in the new series. And yeah, people are gonna have mixed feelings about if aerith dies or not, but I guess I'm just so used to alternate timelines in other games and anime that it really doesn't bother me anymore cause you can just pick whatever time line you want to be "your" canon. You like the og canon where she gets impaled then that's fine, but if someone else likes the time line where she somehow lives, then that's fine too. I will also say that while I know people are disappointed this isn't a faithful remake, I thought Nomura said they wouldn't ever remake the same game twice so that basically gave it away that when they confirmed the remake it was gonna be different to a point.

[@thevloggerwannabe8599]

I totally agree with you! I for one really love the concept of alternate timeline/parallel universe. It's exciting to see where the new story is taking us while in the same time it doesnt negate the glory and tragedy that took place in the original

[@ftgrimm1016]

There is one canon, it already exist and it's pretty damn well explore and the reason why we love FF7 some much, don't get me wrong, I like the remake a lot, but if it's going to be a retold history of the original game with a lot of changes in the crucial parts of it, they should say it, because i was expecting a remake of the game i felt in love with a long time ago. So it' just make sad in the End. Even thought like I said, I love the game.

[@JBurnz001]

FTGrimm Yea the whole first 95% of the game is a remake with a few changes and then the other 5 is for the next game. Where it won’t be called remake most likely.

[@AlexiosLair]

@@ftgrimm1016 it is called a remake for a reason. SE is going far beyond the definition of it in the gaming. Let's be fair, the fact it is assumed that the story remains the same doesn't mean that this is what every remake should have. You just accepted the idea that videogame remakes are just modernized same experience because that's how market in general gives it to you.

[@braingame007]

They said it way back during interviews, that the original story is intact but this isn't actually a remake of FF7 it's a reimagining of it. That means they were going to make lots of changes while keeping what originally was intact. they all know what was in store for them more or less but now things are going to change. I have multiple ports of the original so after just finishing FF7R, makes me more than ever want to go back and play FF7 og. I love getting to have more of the game told in a new way by the OG creator of the game, cannot wait for more!

[@BobVahn]

i play the original in the middle of asian economic crisis, and now i play the remake at worlds covid crisis.

[@88jrv98]

conclusion : you need to stop playing the game or the crisis will not stop

[@BobVahn]

@@88jrv98 pff let the universe collapse it self i still play this damn game. There 2 more game probably. Hope its not dissaponting

[@MrXxsnipesXx]

play the game about preventing a crisis..during one

[@OMario5858]

Sure this game have an crisis core...heh

[@keypath4389]

please dont let Nomura involved in my relationship guys!! its already confusing as it is..

[@TheEndofThis]

Plot twist, it's actually Kingdom Hearts 7

[@lemao2222]

you mean Kingdom Hearts: 356/7-2 Re:mind Final Mix Turbo Championship GOTY edition.

[@Fightookaishii]

@@lemao2222 this comment right here lmao

[@lemao2222]

​@@Fightookaishii ...because the Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep I + II: Re:Coded of Memories All-in-One Final Chapter edition has the secret ending.

[@zavi3rz]

@Kosm You know what’s scary? It’s that this is actually very possible with Nomura on the wheel...

[@SNSomosNerds]

@@lemao2222 never forget the "electric bugaloo"

[@JohnMichaelUnrated]

I honestly really liked the surprise twist in the end. We have to take into account that this game only covers Midgar. We also do not know the whole story of why Sephiroth seems to know about the whispers and the process behind altering and changing the timeline. I feel like we will still see the other places that we remember from the old game, but maybe, we will see New Midgar rebuilt like how Reeve originally intended it to be. It seems like he wants to rebuild Midgar to coexist with the planet in a way that it is not harming it instead.
I know purists out there wanted the original FFVII game to stay just the way it was. The remake, to me, seemed to accomplish just that; reimagining the characters and places that we were all familiar with, while at the same time, making us want to clamor and find out more about the game because of the new timeline that was established.
Final Fantasy VII REMAKE to me is a fitting name for this game because the the characters are remaking fate and destiny itself into something we fans do not even know about.

[@VFFP54]

can't agree more. to my eyes, REMAKE is more likely to be the title of this game and not an indication of bringing the exact same story back with modern tech.
Final Fantasy VII : REMAKE
but i still feel bad for the purists who wanted the identical thing. they at least deserved a fitting remaster after all these years.

[@House_of_Green]

By definition alone “remake” works just fine idk why people say it isn’t a remake

[@shawnhollern]

if Sephiroth did somehow manage to travel back in time, then why bother with Shinra? why make his presence known to cloud? sure, he needs Jenovas body for the reunion, but why stick around for cloud? if anything, he made better progress in the original by getting Jenova and leaving. by staying around, he now has Cloud even closer on his trail.
also if he is from the future, he knows where the Black Materia is now. just send some clones and take it up to the crater. he doesnt even need cloud now, if thats the case.
adding a concept like time travel just adds so many plot holes. which makes me wonder if this even is time travel. i did hear a theory that its not Sephiroth, but Aerith that traveled back. which then wouldnt cause the plot holes i mentioned. which would also explain alot of her strange behaviors throughout the story, and why she became so assertive towards the end, acting almost as if she were the party leader after the final fight.
but even then, shes a Cetra, her power comes from communing with the planet. she cant draw from that energy within Midgar. (see the prison dialog in the Shinra Labs in the original. The Cetra part of the Shinra tour in the remake hints at some of this info, since the remake cut the prison scene.) she shouldnt be able to do some of the things she does in this game, like opening dimensional rifts. even if they are on the outer skirts of Midgar, both FF7 and Advent Children show that the land is dead for miles around the city.
so you could say that shes the one with ulterior motives. but i just chalk it all up to bad writing. because any kind of time travel doesnt explain why the entire last last few hours messes with almost every character. for example, how does Hojo now recognize cloud? hes one of hundreds, if not thousands of experiments. cloud was noone special to him. its not until cloud gives sephiroth the black materia that Hojos memory even starts to get jogged.
that entire last act jumped the shark in more than just plot, but character development too. none of it makes sense within the context of the original. thats why i dont think this is a time travel plot, i think its just another spin off like kingdom hearts. familiar characters and story, but definitely not the same.
if youre on board with that, more power to you, i hope it turns out well. but to me, changing that much, alters the entire story setup from Before Crisis all the way to Dirge of Cerberus. it doesnt even lay within the continuity, it doesnt seem like it wants to. which is fine, because it doesnt mess with what is a great set of stories.

[@DrixMaloneDFS]

Why would ppl want to play a game they already played before and know everything that happens?? That's stupid, might as well play the original game smh. There'd be no point for them to make a complete remake of a game to the last detail, spend tons of money, upgrading the animation and art, etc...and the whiners shouldn't want that either. Who wouldn't want something new and fresh that they haven't seen yet?! It's moronic to buy the same game again like it's new when it's just a modernized version but everything is the same and the story hasn't changed lol. That's like marvel remaking spiderman over and over but with the same actors, same plot, etc..., who wants to keep seeing the same shii (are ppl that obsessed and fanatic over FF that they'd really buy a game that was already created just to see the new art since the story & plot is the same)?! They should be happy that they aren't getting ripped off and buying the same game, and getting new surprises and plots and stories that they never seen and can look forward to seeing what happens, journey along with the characters, see their favorite characters go through different scenarios and dangerous situations, new events and newer threats and new background information!! They're literally getting a favor, a game company that actually is giving them their money's worth!! I find it hilarious people are mad because they wanted it to be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE OG, like huh, how stupid are they to want that and waste money when you could just play the other fucking game smh!! People truly are dumb as fuck and deserves to be wiped out, if only FF was real and humanity no longer existed. I'd be pissed buying a game I already played before just with better graphics lol, like oh a remake, that sounds awesome, get to play the game again when I already have it ahahaha. Idiots smh!!

[@zuleykatorres5358]

Right. I'm happy that now they change things. Give hope for the ones Who died in the original to stay alive in the new one. (I really hope they don't sacrifice Tifa, cloud or anyone else how ever) And it's called remake for a reason not final fantasy remastered. Sure is would be nice to have a remastered version too, but it's to late for that. They put so much work and effort into this. People should just take it and enjoy it.. I usually don't comment but I need to get this off my chest..

[@tjolney92]

You literally said that you were excited for this reimagining meanwhile you complain about the.... Reimagining

[@unclesuave]

Fucken oath

[@amazinglyaverage590]

No, what she means is SE is taking everything that made FF7 meaningful and watering it down to some clichéd rainbow & sunshine story because of fan service.

[@unclesuave]

@@amazinglyaverage590 How do you know that? How does she? Its all conjecture until it's released

[@tjolney92]

@@amazinglyaverage590 She can speak for herself

[@amazinglyaverage590]

@@unclesuave You serious bro? Biggs, Wedge, Zack, and possibly Jessie (her gloves) are alive, and now are hinting that even Aerith might stay alive. So they already are heading toward that direction. It's true we have no idea what's to come but keeping everyone alive, having literal sunshine & rainbow P1 ending and introducing multiverse and timetravel is corny and dumb & will definitely result in overcomplicating and massive plotholes.

[@megatron111184]

Did you catch when sephiroth said to cloud "seven second till the end, I wonder what you will when you have the power". THAT scene in the original lasted seven seconds from drop to fall. This game is just magic if you played the original.

[@Operation_Bagel]

In game the story listings through the chapter say he was talking about 7 seconds until the end of the world

[@MegaGil08]

SquareEnix couldn't remake a straight line without convoluting the structure and delaying it for 2 years.

[@PepperKatLancer]

@@jcudal32 So he still Faking in till he makes it But can never Understand hes still faking it.Everyone else can see it.

[@Allandemorais166]

Nomura is not the writer, nojima is.

[@KingdomFinalXBleach]

@@Allandemorais166 he's still the director. This reeks of his story telling mixed in with ff13 directors as well. It's too obvious.

[@Allandemorais166]

Co director and he doesn't write the story if you think is bad then is nojima's fault not numura.

[@PepperKatLancer]

@@jcudal32 Still would you call any plot line since 12 good?

[@Wingedspace22]

I'm actually fine with the direction they are going with. I want it to feel new. I'll always love the original, but I noticed when it comes to remakes in general now a days, people are always up to criticizing everything and nostalgia clouds our eyes. I think it was a notable thing with SE. They built up the nostalgia factor on purpose.
In a way, the people playing that played the original are the Whispers. We know Aerith dies, we know the planet will be saved. We know every moment, and truth some probably felt anger more towards the whispers because they were there every moment, preserving everything. It's no different to how OG fans act. To preserve every memory of something because its what helped define us as we got older. But now, we are in uncharted territory. The path is no longer set, and leaves us open to journey past what we know. We can experience new things now and be left surprised.

[@StillBelieve22]

Well said, my man.

[@Nellysa]

preach!

[@Sampawende]

So don't do a remake them. Invocation and imagination is far from dead. grow some balls and do your own game instead of hijacking audience out from nostalgia. I'll never excuse developers using remake to safely do their next game.

[@domx7zero157]

Correction, you're fine with the direction IGN thinks they're going with

[@Wingedspace22]

@@domx7zero157 sad news for you, I don't care about IGN, considering some people pay for good reviews. I'm just not closed minded. 1 for 1 shot would be boring

[@jorgegutierrez3705]

Honestly, coming from having a sense of dread that biggs, jessie, and wedge, who were characters i've grown to love, were going to inevitably die made me wish the story deviated from the original. The fact that they went on to survive (fingers crossed for wedge still) made me glad that its going to be a reboot in later installments and that it was addressed in a meta way (like bravely default). That and if the next game's as good as this one, then i'll be happy with whatever vision square has in store.

[@OKG2000]

i could be wrong but we dont actually see them die in ff7 so maybe they did survive

[@AlexiosLair]

@@OKG2000 well Biggs shows up in the end of remake. Considering that Whispers were involved in the process when Jessie passed out just like Biggs there's a big chance that she survives as well.
As of Wedge, I'm pretty sure he's ok.

[@braingame007]

Well said Lord Genbu! Though that scene in Shinra tower where the whispers seemingly attack Wedge and push him back then the screen goes dark and you hear glass shatter, sorta makes me think they made sure he did die the way he was supposed to, by falling to his death.

[@jeffp6134]

I actually disagree here, not because I am heartless I really like those characters but because I am really hoping they aren't changing this to an "we can save everyone, happy ending" type story. I honestly liked that characters we enjoyed died, it made the game more mature and nuanced I felt when confronted with these deaths. If we can save Aerith and Zack, okay that's cool I am open to change...but honestly I am hoping there is some sort of price paid. I don't want this to become another Kingdom Hearts where everyone survives with the power of friendship lol. Maybe it is just me.

[@Gaby000999]

@@OKG2000 On a way to a smile, case Tifa reveals that pretty much the only Avalanche survivors were her and Barrett. It is stated she lost dear friends (including Aerith), and neither of them are said to be alive. Else Barret and Tifa would've met up with them during the years prevoius to AC.

[@esafesa]

You missed " i miss the steel sky" that´s a reference to Crisis Core, when Aerith felt more safe in the slums than under the real sky. It was less troublesome then.

[@lionzcrown1702]

actually its straight up said by her in this game so there isnt a need to know about crisis core lol

[@riccardinofuffoloakafuffy3388]

Which is funny because in Japanese she doesn’t say that at all. The translations in this remake were godawful

[@latetotheparty5156]

@@riccardinofuffoloakafuffy3388 Yeah, I heard Aerith said "Sora, kirai da na" which means "I hate this sky".

[@lionzcrown1702]

@@riccardinofuffoloakafuffy3388 it was very intentional. And saying i hate this sky doesnt hit as hard as her missing midgar as soon as she leaves. imo at least. I would call it awful at all

[@shaokhan4421]

Why would she miss Midgar? Her time with zack? She’s going to die?

[@gamingmedley6619]

I’m pretty sure Zack is still dead in the timeline we play, and that we were seeing an alternate timeline where he survives. So in our game world, cloud has still absorbed some parts of his personality and will still have a mental break about it, like in the original. I think his “survival” was just a fan servicey way for Square to show the impact of fate changing.
But idk. I guess there could be shenanigans where Zack and alt timeline cloud meet the group we play, but I hope not. I hope the timelines remain separate.
I also think the sephiroth we faced was an alternate timeline sephiroth, but that’s a whole different can of worms.

[@marhawkman303]

I'm betting the new story will be about trying to create the best possible timeline.

[@misanthropiclusion]

with Nomura putting his turd hands on it you never know
my predictions
Aerith lives, Zack lives no one dies, if someone does they just spooky ghost time travel bullshit it back to life because Nomura can't stand the concept of loss

[@frankhemstra634]

@@misanthropiclusion Nojima wrote the script.

[@CustardBustard]

@@frankhemstra634 For the remake or just the original ?

[@Kotoark]

@@CustardBustard he wrote both

[@wildmist11]

Loved everything about this remake, was so addictive. Very excited to see what is going to happen in next parts. The only thing needed is iron patience in waiting for them ^-^

[@JohnSmith-mj8hn]

Hello to Aoife, Eurogamer gang, and all super fans.
I understand that many of us are confused at some parts of the storyline. It's actually much clearer in the original Japanese dialogue than the english lines written.
Not sure if you know about this, but the american translation of the original Japanese dialogue is terrible. Absolutely terrible. It's almost like the translators had no idea what the original lines are supposed to mean, and just wrote their own lines just to fit the scenes and broad story, but effectively changing the characters and meaning of many spoken lines. It's not even localisation, it's more like distortion to fit their own biases. As a result of this blatant disrespect and incompetency, so many of us are confused at many story points.
Just a few examples as quoted in this video.
At Barrett's scene, Red XIII's line is more accurately translated as "Does Destiny supercede even Death?" It's more of a question pondered out loud than a stereotypical line of exposition by the smartest in the room.
On the "glimpse of what will happen _if we fail_ " line. This translation makes the meaning so wrong. The actual line is more like "This is the scenery that we're _throwing away/leaving behind_ ". "Scenery is a literal translation, the meaning is more like "the scenes, the fate that we're leaving behind". As you can see, they're really not trying to actively avoid something . Red XIII was more like describing the consequence of their actions, with no positive or negative connotation.
And then there's the translation of "the edge of creation", completely exposing the translator as a believer of creationism. You know how they're like. The original line is literally "the front edge of the world", basically the beginning of the Universe, the Big Bang.
And on Sephiroth's "not yet" line, this is again wrong. The original Japanese line is more like "lightweight", basically saying that Cloud is not strong enough. It's not about the timing, it's about Cloud's strength. Let's not forget that at this very moment, Sephiroth is still cocooned somewhere. He still needs Cloud.
There are many more lines throughout the entire game, which totally changed the context, meaning, and even the basic personality of the characters. One of the most jarring being Barrett's line after Cloud and Tifa climbed down the air duct at the toilet. The original line is "so the plan is going well". I won't even repeat the blatant distortion here.
So, if anyone ever felt any lines seem weird and simply doesn't fit, try looking up for the original line in Japanese and work out the original meaning. Things should be much clearer.

[@JohnSmith-mj8hn]

As for the ending, I can totally see the next game becoming something of a multiple ending type of story. If you'd like to preserve the original, you can. If you'd like to save Aerith, you can too. I doubt they will change much of the major beats of the game like the Weapons, Cloud's past, Nibelheim's recollection etc, but it also allows them to drop all the bits that casual fans don't even remember from the original, like (memory not found).
I totally agree about the multiple timelines and the unnecessary complexities from it. Good spot of the dog btw, never would have noticed the signifcance by myself. Looking at it from a different interpretation, this is essentially time-travelling and meddling of the timeline, changing the past etc. This is really bothering me.
The Feelers (the original term for "Whispers") are basically protecting the timeline, insert your favourite fandom term here, time lords TVA time cops time agents whatever.
But still, I'd say the positives outweights the negatives. The potential of what could come, is probably more exciting than the predictability of knowing everything that's to come.

[@pologg1]

@@JohnSmith-mj8hn I wish the subtitles for Japanese audio actually translated the Japanese dialog instead of close captioning the English lines. Things would be much clearer that way...
Anyway, I am personally not too bothered about getting a chance to experience some of my favorite characters in a completely new story based on the original FF7. If there are multiple endings (hopefully not THAT many), I would love to have an option of reliving the OG story as a remaster in the "east ending" and then getting the "good/true" ending based on additional quests/decisions/etc.

[@utube1255]

Wow, thanks for the note about translation!

[@dxtro4fun380]

After reading this I am glad to have this game in German, because they translated really close to the original lines.

[@JohnSmith-mj8hn]

@@utube1255 Thanks! Really hope more people would know about this. I'm even seeing some Japanese channels promoting the -translations- distortions as a way to learn English.

[@peachesgalore7689]

I gave four days of my life to that game. There were many aspects that I loved, several I didn't like, but on the whole it was an incredibly positive experience--until the ending. Now I have been insulted and disillusioned by a story to a degree which I did not think was possible.

[@SpoonfishLee]

I can identify with that. I've been pissed at that outcome for four days straight. I go to bed with it, and I wake up with it. It's quite unproportional, since it's "just a game", but that's how I feel.

[@peachesgalore7689]

@@SpoonfishLee It's not "just a game," though, is it? If the purpose of art is make you feel something profound then video games are undeniably an art form. Therefore, the strength of out feelings towards them is entirely appropriate.

[@stevenguerrero7767]

@peachesgalore7689, @SpoonfishLee
I resonate with both of your sentiments exactly. FF7R is brilliant in combat, variety, and (most) of its filler content--I'd say 90% good, 10% bad. I really hated the lack of urgency in stopping the plate falling and us not seeing a blood-filled Shinra building after realizing Sephiroth was there--because I guess blood is not allowed in this game or something--and of course this so-called ending. I am going to take a few deep breathes, knowing I'm not the only one frustrated by the big story revamps, and come back to this game in a couple days to work on Hard difficulty.
Thanks for sharing.

[@Weeros]

I’m in the same boat, never been so disappointed by a piece of fiction my whole life. It’s so weird too seeing more and more people finish the game every day, with this same feeling.

[@Sefiros]

I was very close to tears after realising after years and years of wanting a remake and then finally getting one, Square Enix decided to just lie through their teeth to everyone and do this to us instead. I completed it on the 6th April and I'm still angry.

[@VincentAlucard]

I can understand WHY Nomura/SE did these changes, yet I want to live in a timeline where SE just did a Final Fantasy VII Remake.

[@NocturneCesarito]

Amen!

[@akramirez]

Like they fucking advertised and named the game for.

[@expired-deku7130]

@@akramirez a remake can be more than just a "remaster", it opens up a chance to expand and it uses the original as a base. This is truly a remake and chances are okay. The original is still there. That story still outstanding and fun to play...this is new and exciting so every player, new and old can play without knowing what happens next.

[@jamestyler3606]

@@akramirez And yet we have RE1 and RE2 Remake and they didn't deviate from the orignal.

[@117Smiley]

@@akramirez to be fair, they never explicitly gave an answer either way, and telling people they were going to do this would've ruined the shock value of the whole ending. If you look back to the initial announcement, they made it pretty clear that it'd likely be more than a remake.

[@AllHailJulio]

Im so happy they are going a new route for this version. I care more about seeing the characters again and now i wont go into the game knowing everything thats gonna happen. The end made me realize that im definitely open to a new direction this time around

[@johngriller4997]

Exactly how i feel. Plus, I really hate the idea of paying 60+ dollars in who knows how many different parts, just to get the same plot and storyline from the old game that I’ve already played many times.
This one feels like a fresh experience and like a total new game! I felt so sad and annoyed when Jessie, Biggs and Wedge (especially Jessie, I really wanted Cloud to pipe her during that pizza date 😏) died since they did a better job to develop their characters a bit more in this one, but was very happy when I saw them surviving at the end bc of the gang beating fate. It’s such a cool concept to play with familiar characters but not knowing if they’re going to die for sure.
They should also be very careful with how they approach this in order to not mess this up since it’s going to be a new game.
In a perfect world, they should make this game with the options of having it exactly as the original as well as with this new timeline. Idk how but if somehow they can still pull this off, everyone will be happy. But I don’t mind playing a new game since my money will feel well spent as opposed to paying lots of $ just for mainly HD graphics.

[@Rihcterwilker]

@@johngriller4997 if biggs and zach are confirmed alive, as we know wedge already is, it kinda misses the whole message of the original, about death and learning to live without loved ones. I don't mind the changes too much, but the core message of the original should be kept intact.

[@johngriller4997]

Richter WLK sure i get that. That’s why I said they should find a way to do both. But I don’t mind if they only make it with the new timeline.

[@pandamonium9255]

This is Nomura telling us: "I gave you a taste of the remake you wanted...now im in f'kin charge..."

[@Railgun_Enjoyer]

My insane theory: The Sephiroth we see here is actually Advent Children Seph going back in time to jumpstart the Reunion plan faster, with the Whispers trying to stop him. The Whispers fail, makes AC Seph stronger by giving him the power to defy fate and now destiny is broken.

[@Nathan-dd2uy]

Maybe. It would make a lot of sense for them to explore Zack throughout the game, given that Crisis Core details the events that ultimately lead up to Cloud becoming who he is, so I imagine it would also make sense to merge Advent Children into the game, telling the full story from a total 'canonical' perspective, from the very beginning, to the very end. Comprehensive and definitive, ultimately wrapping up the franchise in a way that the original fans and newcomers can both understand.

[@Nathan-dd2uy]

Also possibly making the story vulnerable to becoming a disgusting convoluted mess and a mediocre disappointment. They might find themselves walking a very fine line, but it all remains to be seen, so who knows.

[@unlimitedmediapcsystems3301]

I have the same feeling... He is to much the same like Advent Children... And Look, Cloud Never to the end Forgive himself, death of Zack and Aerith... So Maybe He will be have time to reapir it... One think is Sure... This will be also EPIC

[@xvandrex]

This Sephiroth feels like the one from Dissidia. He Is really interesed in see what Cloud can do, and is really fixated on defy the orders of the Gods

[@JM-cf8zy]

@@xvandrex defying the order of the gods reeks of FF13, p1 2 and 3

[@Giggityman0273]

I'm excited for the potential of a new story.
I'm terrified that Nomura is involved in its direction.

[@Lykon]

Nomura was involved in the original too and made Advent Children.

[@supergohansonic]

Kidel Aleron Nomura was also involved in kingdom hearts too. That’s what worries me.

[@garrycotton7094]

@@Lykon His involvement in the original plot was quite limited - he was principally a concept artist - and ultimately Sakaguchi had final authority. You know, the guy responsible for pretty much every golden age FF.

[@Barbeta13]

@@Lykon advent children doesn't have the best writing...

[@jaredmartin7040]

Nomura haters trippin

[@heavenmasaki]

8:46
This scene is very interesting because in Japanese version, REDXIII says "This is the scene we are about to throw away". I think the nuance is a little bit different.

[@JohnSmith-mj8hn]

Pity. There are a lot more twisted translations all throughout the game. Sometimes totally changing the personality of the characters. Sometimes just plain wrong.

[@konrad8541]

Yeah, I use the Japanese voice with English subtitles and what I've noticed is they don't really translate the Japanese script to English but use the English script as the subtitles.

[@bocah-kun821]

"The future is always a blank page"
Dr. Strange: Hold my beer

[@stilbon6502]

If you beat Sephiroth while wearing the Enfeeblement Ring in Hard mode, there's a bonus scene after the credits roll that shows Chadley taking off his VR headset and winking at the player from his parent's basement.

[@ojmsn]

Stilbon lmao

[@patrickgermain2507]

And then he takes his face off like a mask and it's the game's director, Tetsuya Nomura.

[@jodkmp]

@@patrickgermain2507 hahah

[@jasonxyemd]

@@patrickgermain2507 co-director

[@TGameDev]

Chadley is the true final boss

[@Davequirky]

So they actually made a sequel to FF7 instead. So we're going to have another 20 years of people asking for a "proper" FF7 remake

[@TNMUSlC]

Naw. They gonna give us a choice to let Arith death or not

[@MegaGil08]

@@TNMUSlC I hope your right. I hope I am wrong but I don't trust their competence to make a game that complex in 2020.

[@iroquoispliskin8892]

Not gonna happen. This was their last chance to make a proper remake and they fucked it up

[@ElhoimCrow]

Hopefully modding will be able to do it one day. I mean, even with minor tweaking you can make this game closer to the original one. Just remove all the scenes with the flying di**s, adjust some dialogue and you are good to go. Even the extended Sephiroth was not THAT bad.

[@otleyltd6544]

Basically yer. Nomura was kind and fucked over every FF7 fan.

[@Rolandais]

I'm overjoyed and enjoyed this re-imagining of the game, and can not wait to see where our new path takes us. Also, not only is Biggs alive, but on the nightstand next to him is Jessie's Glove

[@saiwaqa2573]

Me too!!!

[@artemis_lena]

OMG I TOTALLY MISSED THAT! thanks :D :D

[@Metripleone]

I feel like the glove might be more a memento than proof she's alive, but it's definitely ambiguous.

[@martinrogergagnon]

I see a lot of people hating on the ending but I'm with you I really loved the whole thing. They managed to include almost every single little tidbit I wanted from the original.

[@ilyich333]

Jessies glove is alive! yaaaay!

[@lenny877]

Best FF ever and love the changes , I already played the old one I for one am happy it's different and can't wait for more to come without knowing what is coming

[@glitch200]

Nomura got paid to turn his FF7 fanfic into a real game.

[@marhawkman303]

So far the story is exciting. :)

[@ff8masterc]

Nomura is a writer for the original story, he literally can't have fanfiction here because it's his own work.

[@loganrobicheau7593]

@@MrKnaives Kojima is doing freelance work, mark my words

[@campkira]

It ff13-2 allover again.... Let me guess zake would be playable..... And so many timeline we just don't care...

[@kei7540]

@@jcudal32 who said no one is gonna die

[@marypaino4749]

So it's not a remake it's a reboot.

[@thisislance]

Meta-sequel is more like where it's going. Which I'm fine with, but a pure reboot wouldn't acknowledge the past iteration, I think.
EDIT: nowhere in my comment am I saying it's okay that we were deceived. I love the direction, but think it's stupid that people weren't primed for it.

[@rosiejones6829]

I think it's Remake in the sense of literal "Remake" of the timeline, not the description of the product. SE got ball, I give them that.

[@Cryosxify]

It's a sequel that repeats the same events of the original with the whispers thrown in for like most of the game. Towards the end they go on full sequel.

[@rsrocha1984]

@@rosiejones6829 Em theory a person that arrive at a family dinner on a holyday and shit on the table, also have balls...

[@braddl9442]

@@thisislance Im not fine with it cause they did not market it as such. Im actually very disgusted and angry about it.

[@Lunarisultros]

Why the ending of the Final fantasy VII Remake does not change the original story.
In this post I want to prove that all the multiverse-theories are wrong and that the future story of Final Fantasy VII will not deviate from the original game back in 1997.
I do not claim to be able to answer all your questions, however, I think I am able to present you a coherent theory after analyzing Chapter 18 and take every little detail into consideration. Let me guide you through my interpretation by answering the following guiding questions.
First Question: Are the whispers good or evil?
On the one hand, the spooky whispers help us during the main events, for example by saving Aerith from the fall in the church, on the other hand, we have to fight them, especially in the end of the game. So are those things good or evil? What are they in general? Are they really the ones who protect the fate of the planet? My answer: They are evil, since they are a form of Jenova’s will that poisoned the lifestream. Wow, wow, wow, thar probably got a bit too fast, that’s why I will present some proofs for this theory:
1. Before fighting the big manifested form of the whispers, you can see lifestream coming from his body when he stretches his body. So it seems the whispers keep the lifestream hostage or seem to have poisoned it. This probably happened when Sephiroth fell into the lifestream together with Jenova’s severed head. Now it is the whisper’s aim to achieve Jenova’s goal: Destroying the planet.
2. Apparently, the whispers help those that help destroy the planet. But why do they help Aerith, Cloud and even revive Barret? That is probably because they, especially Aerith and Cloud, will help getting the black materia in the temple of the ancient and hand it to Sephiroth. Shinras director on the contrary is not revived since he is simply replaced by his ruthless son.
3. Aerith is able to create some kind of portal to walk through the whispers. This represents that she is gifted with the power to really see through them and see the true will of the planet - a planet, that is filled with the screams of all people that returned to it. Sephiroth on the contrary is not able to hear those cries.
Second Question: Where is Sephiroth - according to Aerith - wrong?
Aerith tells Sephiroth during their dialogue that he is wrong - with everything. But what does she mean? It is important to note, that she is probably referring to more than one thing since he is wrong about everything. The first thing is that he is wrong about him being able to control Cloud. I assume this because he says that Aerith’ is blinded - probably because of her feelings for him. This is further supported by Sephiroth’s statement that “all born are bound to her”, probably referring to Cloud having Jenova’s cell inside of him.
The second thing he is wrong about is his interpretation of the will of the planet. He is wrong by thinking that the will of the whispers aka Jenova is the destruction of the planet. Remember, Sephiroth thinks that Jenova and him are ancestors of the Cetra. Therefore, since the Cetra are so connected to the planet, Jenova’s wish must be the planet’s wish.
Third Question: Who controls the whispers? Who is in control?
According to my theory, the whispers are some kind of intoxication of Jenova. So is it Jenova that is in control of everything? Due to statements from the developers concerning the original game, we know that Sephiroth controls Jenova’s cells. He is the mastermind behind all the actions in the original game. He wants to bring about the reunion and transform himself into a god by absorbing the lifestrom. He interprets the whispers as the planet’s wish which is in reality Jenova’s wish - which desire the complete destruction of the planet and annihilation of all forms of life. That is why Aerith tells Cloud that Sephiroth will tell him that everything he (Sephiroth) tells him (Cloud) is what the planet desires.
Forth Question: Why does Sephiroth want to change the future?
This question can be answered by taking Jenovas will into account. Jenova seeks the utter destruction of the planet with the annihilation of all life forms. This planet shall follow into the footsteps of so many planets before. All cells shall reunite and fuse into Jenova’s complete form. Then, she is able to travel to more planets and destroy these as well. However, Sephiroth sees THIS FUTURE (and not a future in which Zack or Aerith survive or in which Nanaki will rule over the Gold Saucer os stuff like that) and wants to avoid this. He does not want Jenova to absorb him, he will absorb and control her by becoming a god-like figure. That is why he tries to convince Cloud to join him - to absorb him. He does not want Cloud or him to end, since they would survive the meteor by being this god-like entity.
Fifth Question: Why does the Zack scene suggest that there is an alternative timeline in which he survived?
You probably noticed the subtle hint that the dog looks different not. It also seems that Zack is still alive in this timeline. However, Zack won the first fight against the Shinra soldiers and was only later on killed by three other soldiers that he encountered. I think that this scene shall only confuse players since they shall still be excited for future games - since they could be different than the original. This scene is only there to build up tension and create a transition to Clouds Monologue in Calm about his past in Part 2 of the Remake.
Sixth Question: Why does Zack and the people from sector 7 notice the sparkling sky and the explosion of the whispers?
To be honest, I have no explanation to that. Some people think that the whispers can move through time and space and that is why they all notice them. However, I have no other explanation for that so far.
I hope you enjoyed reading my interpretation for the Final Fantasy VII Remake. I hope the Remake stays true to the original game and my theory will turn out to be correct. I think most fans desire chance - but not a change that will alter the whole original story. I hope future parts will supplement the original story instead of changing it. I am grateful for further critical views of my theory and other theories.

[@damianrazaze2040]

Thank you for your time trying to explain what you understood in this whole new story of FF7R. Personally I am exited to see how the story unfolds during the next installments! The whispers make me feel about us the fans, how we do want desperately the story to be a copy paste one, how we are so strict to that to an extend when we can become aggressive on social medias to defend our point just like they are doing in the game. I think its a metaphor and the main players Cloud, Barett etc are the Directors, the writers trying to be free to write it a little bit differently to express their art. In my opinion, the writers and other persons working on FF7R puts their feeling on how they were feeling during these years of making this remake and it is beautifully set, I may say poetic! But by the end, they are the artists, It is their show, they are free to do what they want with the story to an extend and im sure they will conserve the true core of FF7 elements. Thats what I think is the message they want to pass to us fans. It is not bad as they too need to show us what they can give us more as writers. They do not want to show us that long ago they were so good in writing marvelous scenario and now only remakes that count, instead, they are showing us that their art is not dead yet and they need to express it. iadmire their talent and how they are bold enough to go beyond our expectations! For now, Im having fun reading a lot of theories about the ending of FF7R and to see fans expressing their feelings. Have a nice day dude.

[@crazymuse007]

Everything you said towards the end is exactly how I feel after just completing the game. FF7 is my all time fav game and I feel sick thinking im still not going to get a remake of the original game :(

[@Sampawende]

They clearly split their audience at the end. Lots of people are already dropping out and will continue to drop out while others are jumping in (they'll be less).I wish them good luck, but I'm out. Kingdom Hearts 2 and 3 storyline was enough of BS for my entire life.

[@xSentientbeingx]

As a life long FF fan, I couldnt be more excited for what happens next.

[@josefaeti6547]

I haven't been this excited and hopeful since FFX

[@Sampawende]

And as a life long FF fan, I don't... I guess they'll have a divided player base from now on.

Fuck yeah dude!!

[@domx7zero157]

@@Sampawende “From here on out, we’re not drastically changing the story and making it into something completely different than the original,” “Even though it’s a Remake, please assume that FF7 will still be FF7 as usual.” From a Kitase interview, don't believe all the fan theories on youtube.

[@michaelmcclelland9876]

Square was never going to satisfy 100% REGARDLESS of how they chose to "remake" the game. I'm actually quite happy and excited (though also a bit nervous) about their ballsy decision. Could potentially lead to a drastically more dynamic storyline in which player choice potentially matters in the final outcome...

[@sufamidan1006]

My favourite scenes in the original were when we gradually discovered who Sephiroth was. I loved the cozy silence as Cloud told everyone his story. I will never get that back.

[@braingame007]

You actually will get that back, because they don't all know about Cloud's past at this point. He is still going to spill his guts, and we may even get a taste of having Sephiroth in our party.

[@Noone7238]

Part of me was like, oh I’m interested to see what they’ll do! The other half of me was like but you told me you were going to remake and you lied to my face. The whispers were the part I liked the least and now we have alt dimension or timelines, I really hope this doesn’t become a huge mess...

[@MrWitchking21]

Fighting fate will just make Aerith's death all the more painful.

[@lucianamercado9906]

so true

[@andreseh87]

I'm pretty sure the hacky writing is going to prevent her from dying in any future installment.

[@swalhal3701]

@@andreseh87 it will just prevent Aerith from dying in the middle of the story. Then in the final moments of the final installments she may realize she has to sacrifice herself (or maybe Cloud will, who knows). I think the writers' objective was tokeep her around until the end, not necessarily to keep her from dying.

[@hyun1539]

They “beat” fate in the end so we won’t know what happens, such bad writing...

[@kleberson777]

@@swalhal3701 if that the case, then that will be awesome. My hope is, with Fate gone, in part 2 we can get branching path where our decision and action can determine who live or who die. We can stay with original plot or new plot.

[@Marinedoom3]

they probably trying to save themselves from making huge overworld lol

[@Snoken127]

The question is, how is a player ment to traverse such a huge overworld? It will be FFXV all over again with a car. We all know how that shit turned out... 80% car riding, 20% gaming.

[@XavierLignieres]

@@Snoken127 I honestly hope they skip the huge bland traversing of the original (my least favorite part of the OG FF7) I would rather have a world map with fast travel to different highly detailed locations and cities a bit like the galaxy map in say Mass Effect I would take that over a huge empty open world any day and i hope it is the way they go.

[@BigFalconar]

It's probably gonna be open sectors. Like Kalm, Chocobo Farm and Midgar Zolem/Mythril Mines being one large section, then have Fort Condor and Junon as well as Yuffie's woods. Something like that makes the most sense because 1. That open world in the original is barren as hell and if people take of the nostalgia goggles they'll realize that's the case and 2. That would be a loading nightmare, with probably lots of moments of slow walking and talking sections to hide the massive amount of loading required.
And that's if they choose to do open sectors. It could just continue the Final Fantasy X linear sections leading between locations that they did in this remake as well, and that's the one I honestly expect to happen as disappointing as that might be.

[@bernardocarneiro1982]

N F yeah, i've tought about this, it's probably going to be just as you said

[@farerawei2469]

@@Snoken127 maybe it will be like FFX instead,linear road with some side area.

[@lagunadeseca]

Love the bold move by Square. Zack and Aerith deserve a chance to change their fate... and live, even if it's in a different time line. I applaud Square for doing this!

[@TheBearo88]

The only thing I’m worried about is if some how they kill Cloud off as a way to save Zack or undermine Clouds journey.. Otherwise I’m ridiculously excited about the concept of having these characters that we love dive into a familiar but different story. Excited but weary.. Great Video as always!!

[@isiahbrown7458]

I almost feel like a child that was lied to by their parents. They told me I was going to Disneyworld and instead brought me to the dentist. I'm all about creative liberty just not a fan of being misled. Curious to see where they take it from here either way.

[@vickywachen3547]

It's a remake which means it doesn't have to be the same. The definition legit says make something differently

[@Smurfgazmik]

I just finished playing the game and I am so disappointed and feel so betrayed....dont get me wrong, it is a great final fantasy game, but it is a terrible final fantasy 7 game....I don't even want to buy anymore of the series at all now! I wish I could go back in time with a whisper from this game and stop myself from preordering and just watch it online.....

[@kei7540]

@@Smurfgazmik I mean feel how you feel but personally I think you're act dramatic

[@ashwines9026]

@@Smurfgazmik it was an average game at best, and incredibly boring for huge stretches of the game. Without the FFVII skin it wouldn't even register on anyone's radar. Most people came for the story and even that dissolved into Kingdom hearts-esq nonsense. I dont care if they change the story/tell a different one whatever, so long as it doesn't suck. This one sucked.

[@vickywachen3547]

@@ashwines9026 I know this isn't the main part of your post, but like have you played kingdom hearts cause if you play the games the story almost never seems too complicated or convoluted. Also this games story doesn't seem that hard to understand and seem very interesting but most people's complaints is it's not FFVII which makes them just dislike the story just cause it's not what was expected

[@chrisstone-streetlightinte5629]

Here's the thing...there are references to Crisis Core throughout the entire game, most are very small, such as the Banora White (Dumb Apples) advertisements on the walls in the bombing mission. They also reference Kunsel in the Shinra tower. Never mind the faithful recreation of the dialog, down to the letter, that Zack has with himself before his fateful battle with Shinra.
The thing I noticed. Aerith is standing on the exact spot that Zack died when you see the ghost of Zack and Cloud walk through. Aerith responds to something that Zack says in his dying breath. The line iirc correctly was, "That girl. She said the sky scared her. I find it, liberating. Those wings, I want them too." When Aerith states ,"I miss the steel sky," it's almost as if she's responding to that line of dialog. Maybe this is the planet telling her of Zack's fate and showing her that the reason she see's so much of Zack in Cloud is because him and Zack are very directly connected.
The other thing I noticed is, despite all these, let's call them alternate timeline events, is that despite this, Cloud still has the Buster Sword in the final cut scene which would indicate that somehow he received it. Maybe Zack dies anyways and there's precedent in the story itself. The final cut scene is not an in engine cut, because if it were it would have showed Cloud with the sword I used during the final fight, which was the Hard Edge. They did this for a reason.
Note that fate locks Wedge in when the plate falls, but he lives. That is not part of the original plot. He later is trapped by the whispers in the Shinra tower and it's more than heavily implied he died this time. This tells me that the whispers can fail at their goal of preserving the events, or even, if it's not a failure to do so, maybe they pick and choose which events to preserve.
Also note, that the whispers make no effort to stop Cloud and company from re-entering Sector 7, which is another plot beat that is entirely different from the original. There's also the whole injuring Jessie so that Cloud is invited on the Sector 5 mission. In the original plot, she is very much there. There's even a conversation between her and Cloud about the IDs where she admits that it was her fault and Clouds ID specifically that caused the alert on the train. It seems to me their ability to intervene is limited because, regardless, the sector 5 mission would be different by sidelining Jessie. It's also important to note that Wedge is also on the Sector 5 mission in the original game as well as you see him disguised on the train with Biggs and Jessie.
Also, why would Sephiroth delay the final battle between himself and Cloud? That's odd, if fate were truly broken, why would he choose to delay their final confrontation when he could have easily finished it at the edge of creation when Cloud denies him. Even Sephiroth, to some extent, has reverence for fate. Nomura, is a messy convoluted writer, there's no denying it, but he's rarely lazy. There's often a point to everything he does. Whether or not its satisfying, is another thing entirely.

[@ElhoimCrow]

There's also another CC reference when Hojo says he will breed Aerith with Soldiers with the S or G genome.

[@X5J2UY]

Cloud has the bustersword at the end, because zach is still dead in his timeline. Zach surviving is a completely different timeline, which was affected by cloud defeating the whisperers. The only thing I don't know....did the party return to their original timeline after "winning" or were they transported to another one?
I really loved this remake, but am kinda worried about it becoming super convoluted in the next games.... that's why I never played kingdom hearts. Too convoluted and I don't care about Disney and it's weird connection to the game

[@krakenalive9709]

@@X5J2UY It looks like they did. Because we see slums, Biggs and Marline. In the end we also see what happens in two timelines. Remake - the team is overlooking the city while in Alternate timeline - Zack and Cloud approach it. At least that's what I think.
Maybe there will be a spin-off game where Zack and Cloud work as mercs.

[@xXEmoBurritoXx9826]

Thomas we know for sure there are 2 different time lines now. Now theres gonna be room for more story. In opinion clouds universe is my favorite than any other universe ( not saying any of the other games weren’t good ) but I would wanna see more of clouds friends go on more adventures and I would wanna see the side where Zack does live and how a new story could be created.

[@arklaed]

Why would Sephiroth delay the final battle between himself and Cloud? Because he needs him to retrieve the Meteor Materia and take it to his sleeping self up north.

[@karehaqt]

As someone who played the original back in 1997, this was an extremely disappointing experience from start to finish. I very much doubt I'll bother with the 2nd part, most likely I'll watch a playthrough of it on here.

[@sleverlight]

I just wanna see Zack and Aerith back together in another timeline. Because Zack was trying his hardest to get back to her

[@YsCelia]

That's a very good point actually. They had 23 years to change and add whatever they wanted through BC, CC, AC, DC and even Last Order.
For once, I would have loved if they kept it the same... but oh well.

[@christianlopez707]

It is believed that they where building things up for an FF7-2 but it never happened. By the looks of it they seem to be combining that idea with remaking the game.

[@braddl9442]

@@christianlopez707 They shouldnt have done this.

[@christianlopez707]

@@braddl9442 Well it can be argued that they kinda are, remake the game while also having it work as a sequel of sorts. Two birds with one stone. Regardless this is what they're going with I just hope we get good games out of it.

[@braddl9442]

@@christianlopez707 NO, they marketed this as a faithful remake with some expanded content. They should not have dont this. This was pure sleazy bait and switch. And they did everything to hid the fact they were doing major changes until launch date. If not for the Pandemic they would have gotten away with lying to everyone. This is not defensible.

[@christianlopez707]

@@braddl9442 You do know they showed the whispers in trailers right? If that didn't give of the impression that they where gonna change things, what would?

[@aceplatini859]

Its like James Cameron remaking Titanic only for the ship to not sink and everyone lives happily ever after.
Great game apart from the last chapter.

[@tiensimon1263]

@@SpoonfishLee yet no one esle dies in the party? What kind of game of thrones are you talking about?
Aerith doesn't need to die for the story to be good. Her death was a plot point one that can be driven further by something esle.
sqaureenix should have the right to make their games even more better. The orginal story has been played out enough, a change is good.

[@octaslash2621]

@@tiensimon1263 No, but her not dying should definitely have some negative consequences. As in, the world gets destroyed, or whatever.
He is talking about the Game of Thrones that failed horribly with season 8.

[@tiensimon1263]

@@octaslash2621 game of thrones season 8 failed because it was being rushed.
She was killed because she was getting in the way of meteor destroying the earth which failed anyway.
Sephiroth is the one messing up the timeline not Aerith.

[@PepperKatLancer]

@@MrKnaives Dude Time lines cheapen the deal. Just go back and change it like in 13 -2

[@PepperKatLancer]

@@tiensimon1263 im so glad your shiting on the story along with Squeenix!

[@mercurymachines4311]

As a long time FFVII fan I’m ecstatic that Square had the huge balls to do what they have with the Remake. Things I love the most about FFVII are the characters, the world they created and the incredible music. We will get more of that and the potential for new exciting story. I’m so excited for the next part now.

[@xMarrilliamsx]

Same! I'm an incredibly huge fan and it's the reason I work in the gaming industry today. I'm totally cool with this direction as long as they can stick the landing on it :)

[@dyr_glpsn4209]

It was rubbish. Not because it was new, but because it was just rubbish. Want to make a different game? GO FOR IT. Make a game where the party do different things, make different choices, whatever. Want Zack to be alive? Have the party bump into him later and come up with a good story. Want Aerith to live? Go for it.
Spare us ghosts, Destiny, meta crap, dimensions, fighting Gods in air battles, resurrections. Don't need ANY of that to write a new good story.

[@mercurymachines4311]

Dyr_gl PSN I honestly don’t think you’ve understood the game and how awesome it is what they have done with it. Watch the Easy Allies spoiler show... if you are a fan I’ll be amazed if it doesn’t change your mind.

[@MrKairot]

Ugh.. I'm an OG player, and this ending really disappoints me. Why fix what's not broken? The original story was great, that's why we all love and admire the game. There was no need to alter the timeline...

[@solarplexus7]

I don't mind them changing things but I do mind NOMURA changing things. When has he ever stuck a landing? When has he even had a landing at all? KH is still going on. The fact that there's a twist at all is cool, but the chances of this ending in not-a-mess are slim.

[@yumyumeatemup]

Pretty much. My one true fear in all this. Its a bold, exciting choice..........until you notice who's behind the wheel. Then you want to get off Nomura's Wild Ride but their are no brakes and you're trapped, bound to sit and watch as the vehicle of the journey you are on, is about to careen head long off a cliff.

[@Imp3rdLord]

he was on the original ff7 team so that game counts

[@CustardBustard]

@@Imp3rdLord He didn't have this much authority over the game then, though.

[@soufiya1461]

@@Imp3rdLord as character designer not director. He has over the years constantly made a mess out of good storylines.

[@JorgeM270]

@@soufiya1461 He was pretty involved, he wrote part of the story

[@miburoushi]

I just finished this game a couple of hours ago and yeah, I'm definitely torn about the direction this game is heading. In one hand, I agree with what Aoife said that the main reason I love the original FFVII is the story and how it gives me an emotional experience I haven't really got from other games. To deviate from that story in a blank slate would mean that it's not the thing I love, yet it's heavily using elements from that thing and that makes me really anxious. It made me realize how much I'm attached to the story of the original game. In the other hand, I honestly think the team has done something really special with this remake... the gameplay, the interaction between the characters, the music (my god, the music!) are excellent all the way through. Even the new added things, especially chapter 4 with the Avalanche proved to me that they are at least capable to tug the heartstrings like the original. IF they're able to bring all that to the new direction they wanna take, then it could be interesting. A possibility of something new but with similar emotional experience of the original is at least a little bit exciting. But then again, that whole chapter 4 thing is possible because the original narrative still allows it to happen. If they're going with completely new storyline and doesn't have the original narrative as the guideline, then it'll be pretty much a fanfic. Ugh, my head hurts trying to think about all this.

[@Neezy2]

I just finished it, and it got me thinking everything else is about to be kinda “what if” if that makes sense

[@miburoushi]

@@Neezy2 Oh I know what you mean, that's one aspect that I'm anxious-but-excited about. Again, this is probably just wishful thinking in my part, but if they could manage to do the same quality as this first part in the next one, I'm kinda intrigued what story alterations they could come up with and how they would tell it.
I think if there's one thing I'm most worried about is whether they will preserve the themes present in the original one. Like for example, for me one of the most poignant themes in the original story is how the characters are dealing with their losses. How you cope with it is the difference between being consumed by it or coming out stronger because of it. With this first part, we now know that the original fate of Wedge, Biggs, and Zack have been undone. But their demise *was* crucial to the development of certain characters. If this is gone, then the affected characters wouldn't have their story arc, unless there would be 'substitute' hurdles for them to overcome. Not that I'm rooting for tragedies, but it's one thing to ponder about.

[@Neezy2]

miburoushi exactly that, man its gonna be crazy

[@seanchen9265]

Well, nomura, kingdom hearts and verum rex; This is his test ground for verum rex .

[@Noriyatsu]

for me i play this game with a different mindset. Since like the way its heading... Even from the start its hinted as a different game from the OG. Its already shown that the world is not the same even before you play it.. things like avalanche is a organizations instead of just Barret party, Whispers is first time met with aerith, jessie biggs and wedge die a lot earlier in originals. the bombing of MR7 is not an inside job from original... so is not faithful even from start and even as a demo... so by then i know its different from original people mad since they expect same game.. but i like it and love it.. treat it as marvel multiverse... both spiderman earth 616 peter parker (amazing spiderman) and peter parker ultimate universe are canon but storyline different, don't need to be afraid of the changes..

[@Lanstrifer]

It's almost like everyone forgot that Zack carries Cloud to that edge of the cliff (when they walk past Aerith and the party) and he still gets gunned down, still leaving the canonical death of Zack in place. But hey, enjoy thinking your alternate realities mumbo jumbo and eventually time travel. Watch out for Safer Thanos at the end of the series, and don't forget that there is a super rare Aluminum Foil hat to wear that gives you insane stat boosts.

[@peptopeko]

This ending is giving me viscous anxiety

[@mattno100]

So basically the whispers are plot armor

[@GaryMcAnim]

Yes. They are an analogy for the fanbase that want to keep the storyline intact. The Whispers actively try to maintain the original order of the story but the characters (developers) want to deviate from that and tell something slightly different.
It's pretty meta.

[@Cryosxify]

@@GaryMcAnim now if we could kill off all those fucking whispers

[@chresna1]

They is og ff vii fans literaly.... 😂

[@marhawkman303]

@@GaryMcAnim Or it represents the divide in the player base between those who like the story as is and those that wanted to do stuff like... saving Jessie and Aerith.

[@just_radical]

I said this as a joke when they attacked Seventh Heaven to make sure Jessie broke her ankle and Cloud went on the second reactor mission.
I stopped laughing when it turned out to be true.

[@Just4Oats]

There I was, fearlessly battling a mountain-sized manifestation of fate in an alternate dimension, effortlessly launching myself between uprooted streets and buildings as Midgar was ripped apart by a black hole.
And to think, just a few hours prior I was crawling through a bathroom ventilation shaft, vulnerable and on edge in a desperate heist to save our captive friend. The weight of thousands of deaths still haunting me. It felt real.
In those final scenes I felt the weight of the story evaporate. I couldn’t imagine those characters thrown into such a fantastical situation, neither comprehending or surviving it. The game took on a different genre of fantasy where the rules and tone shifted to one at odds with the rest of the game. It no longer felt real.
It was as though a child had picked up the characters as dolls and was smashing them together whilst making magical crashing noises. I was bored, and finished the game less interested in how the story unfolds, whether they deviate from the original plot, or not.

[@DevonCM]

Exactly this. I bet they could have made the exact same story changes, but presented in a more subtle way without the over-the-top obnoxious ridiculousness of it all, and it would be a lot more palatable and acceptable to a lot more people.
Get rid of the fucking floating ruins in the sky and unbelievably giant fate-monster and go with something more grounded(literally and figuratively) like the Jenova Dreamweaver arena. Don't have us fight Sephiroth in the sky ruins, do it on the ground outside the gates of Midgar, even if it's otherworldly and stormy and in another "dimension" or whatever, like the "upside-down" from Stranger Things, different but still the same place.
Both of those changes would have lead into the beautiful "edge of creation" scene so much more appropriately. Also the fucking Whispers should be more ethereal, they're too solid looking and they stand out way too much through the whole game.
I think the TL;DR for all of this is just... Stupid. Anime. Bullshit.

[@braingame007]

I 100% disagree. They been building up to that point the entire game, or somehow you just missed that. Felt even more real to me when put against impossible odds, the characters reacted in the exact way we know and love.

[@Scott-M1]

I was bored and exhausted at the end. Where's our simple little scene at the end of the expressway, then descending to the outskirts of Midgar? No, they had to shit on it didn't they? smh.

[@braingame007]

@@Scott-M1 I don't really have such fond memories of that little scene. it was just a small minor impact scene for me personally. People keep forgetting they said from the start that FF7 Remake should be thought of as FF7 Reimagining. The majority of the story is going to be in tact but with some details and things are going to be different. IT was never intended to be a 1 for 1 Remake, a super HD remaster. For me personally FF7R ending is far more memorable and exciting and got me stoked for me than the original had, though maybe because now I have to wait for more and the original that was literally just the beginning.
Also as they say I'm with them, I love the original, I don't want it to be exactly the same. If I want to play the game I love so much I'll just play the original whether it be my OG FF7 Black label copy, my PS3 copy, ps4 copy, steam copy, or switch copy. FF7R has surpassed my expectations and got me drooling for more.

[@dmen0563]

I honestly felt betrayed after that ending

[@yourthrockmorton]

I'm not sure how I feel about this, honestly. It's tickling a part of my brain that loves the idea of breaking from a set path in an attempt to create a better future that's in most time travel stories, even if we all know it's not possible to change the past without breaking something crucial, but at the same time, most time travel stories get too caught up in their own "what if" scenarios to provide a satisfying narrative.
I mean, I don't have the nostalgic attachment to ff7 as I was born when it came out, but I watched this channel's playthrough and cultural osmosis is a very real thing, so I was still looking forward to playing the original storyline with incredible graphics.
My fear is that the story and characters won't be consistent, and the need to wrap things up eventually will cause an underwhelming finale where few of our questions are answered and if they are, they won't be satisfying.
Complicated is cool and enjoyable as evidenced by ff7 original, but as evidenced by a host of other ff style games, OVERcomplicated is not.
There is a fine line to tread, and I worry things will be a bit too fan-fiction (not that fanfiction itself is bad, hell, I'm a fic author too) but fanfiction exists as what canon ISN'T. If the canon is already full of 'canon AU's' then what is the point of having a canon to deviate from?
I dunno. It sounds fun in theory, but I'd sacrifice a sharp twist on a dirt road in favor of a paved one with road signs and familiarity.

[@domx7zero157]

they're wrong btw, square confirmed it, story will stay the same, too many people sadly took this tease flashback as "zack is alive". There are no timelines

[@eddunbar8613]

I was loving this game up until the last two chapters. Now I feel conflicted and confused. I didn't like the whispers and all this fate stuff. I would have preferred if they did it more like capcon did with resident evil.

[@SnakeWorksStudio]

They started out ok. the fact we defeated them is the problem!

[@GaryMcAnim]

@@SnakeWorksStudio well, Sephiroth took their power and seemingly commands them now. I would expect to see them again in the later titles.

[@braddl9442]

That feeling means you know what they did here was a bad move and ruined the experience. It did for me as well. They lied to us for years. And this game was not justifed at a 60 price tag for only 30 hours of game and they didnt actually expand much other then filler hallway fights.

[@_Ikelos]

@@SnakeWorksStudio If you believe that Nomura will stop putting heartless in the next VII reboots you are sorely mistaken.

[@skeel77730]

The whispers were out of placed.

[@asgarevenge]

It literally warms the heart to hear this from such a big name in the gaming information sector such as Eurogamer. This message needs to reach the mainstream information. This is not a remake.

[@tiensimon1263]

It is a remake. But it doesn't mean of the orginal story.

[@asgarevenge]

@@tiensimon1263 Could be considered a remake until the last 2 chapters. This ending shows that some characters are clearly aware of the events of the OG, and as explained by Aoife in the video, there is a clear intention from the developers to take the story somewhere else entirely. So how is this a remake if the characters are willingly defying the story of the original? I think there needs to be more clarity about what a remake is, in the gaming industry, because we all get a different perception of what we expect from it.

[@tiensimon1263]

@@asgarevenge i understood as a they are remaking the storyline. And not what it typical means. It's creative, some may see it as devious.

[@Brynhildrify]

@@tiensimon1263 "I'm a vegan, but it doesn't mean that I don't eat meat"

[@tiensimon1263]

@@Brynhildrify a remake doesn't have to be a remake of the original.

[@alexisroberts5970]

Cloud: “where are we?”
Arieth: No

[@peterjancalmerin4569]

So basically, the whisperers are the old developers shouting...
"WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING WITH OUR MASTERPIECE!"

[@RoydGriffin]

I am 100% with you on this Aoife. I had the exact same hopes and feelings about the ending, especially because 90 percent of the game were near perfect. It's definitally a bitter aftertaste for me, and I am not one of those fans who can't handle even a tiny change from the original, I am actually really open for adjustments to fit a more modern and fleshed out game.
Let's see what the future brings.

[@PepperKatLancer]

Kingdom hearts and FF13 combine. The dudes a one trick pony.

[@farerawei2469]

hey same man,i'am not a big fan of the ending of "him" being alive,but im still have hope for part/episode 2.

[@abc440070]

I think FF13 is Toriyama, not Nomura... It's kinda like a subtle racist hint that all Japanese people look the same.

[@stespin]

This game was perfect, PERFECT under each and every aspect until the last 10 minutes out of 40 hours or so. The battle system, the characters, the expanded story with a few differences but that overall kept on track with the original, the MUSIC. Perfect.
Than it all went to shit. 2 things that make me angry most of all:
1- They tricked us, they called it Remake just to make us buy it and than try to buy us in on something that definitely is not FF7, not after this anyway. Might as well call it Final Fantasy VII - Reboot.
2- What angers me the most though, are the whispers (bear with me on this one). The whispers that for the whole duration of the game try to hold us back. You see them stopping Cloud when he tries to save the pillar, holding Wedge back in the end and possibly throw him out of a window at Shinra, stopping Cloud from getting to Sephiroth and so on.
IT'S US, WE ARE THE WHISPERS: the old players of the original game. Think about it. We know how the story goes and we want it to go that way. We know that Rude will blow up the pillar, we don't want it but at the same time we want it to happen for story continuity, we don't want Zack to die but we know it's crucial to the development of the main character Cloud, we want to get our hands on that prick Sephiroth but we know it's not time yet. What they did in this game is saying that US, the most loyal players of FF7, are holding them back, both the developers and the characters from "being free". I find it so extremely disrespectful that i can't even find the words to describe it. It's because of us, the gamers, this game is what it is, it's because of us that FF7 got a "Remake", because it was us that kept it alive in out memories and dreams after 23 fucking years.
So, after all this fucking time waiting, they try to feed us this rebooted shit of a story, tell us that we are holding them back, and literally make us fight and destroy "ourselves" as the final boss of the entire goddamn game. And tell us that there's more to come and that "the Unknown Journey Will Continue".
As far as i'm concerned they can go fuck themselves along with their game, and this may very well be the last title i buy from Square Enix. Now i'll go back in my hole and start the only true FF7 game, again, and sorry of the text wall.

[@ocram3333]

Yep, they're not just sh*tting on canon, they're sh*tting on us, the most loyal fans.

[@natsudragneel421]

You guys are so stupid if you want the same story go play your ps1 game. Its still ff7 just different your so use to remakes being faithfull because of resident evil and such but as a person who has played the entire series i want the plot holes answered i want genesis to be truly defeated. We all know they are gunna bring back genesis because hes still alive and hes gunna be a boss in the 2nd part of the game. Just be open minded and glad we are getting some answers to plot holes from the original series. Stop going along with everyone else you all know your excited to see what happens in part 2 and your gunna buy to see what the open world is gunna be like.

[@ocram3333]

@@natsudragneel421 Sigh... Genesis was the worst part of Crisis Core. The og game had very few plot holes. This is not explaining plot holes or expanding the story, this is literally rewriting history. If they wanted to do an alternate timeline game, that's their right but don't f*cking market this game as a remake.

[@stespin]

@@natsudragneel421 You can't even understand why they did what they did. FF7 has become the new cow to milk for profit. What they did is open the plot to different timelines with different stories and different decisions. What does that mean? This series is going to become a clusterfuck of alternate universes, spin offs, sequels and prequels because after this game there's NOTHING UNTOUCHABLE. They literally made the characters we love rebel and fight against us who wanted a remake loyal to the original.
My worst fear for this game was that they could give it a sort of standalone ending that influenced the sequels, but they went way way beyond that. Never in my worst nightmare i expected something like this.
"Explaining plot holes" my ass, this is a complete reboot of the story, again, just for profit. They don't give a fuck about you, me ore anyone else involved.
I'm sorry but if you can't see that they tricked all of us by calling it a remake you are the stupid, not me. Not even half of the people would have bought if they knew it was a reboot, me included.

[@DevDreCW]

@@natsudragneel421 Fans for literally decades : "we want a ff7 remake!"
Fans fucking now : "omg so they changed a few things? Who cares!? play the original"
Square Enix could literally shit on yall and you'd find a way to defend it.

[@ernstbaum1410]

Did Jessie survive, too? In the scene where Biggs lies in a bed, you can see personal items of Jessie on the table. I hope so. In the Remake (I do not want to discuss whether it is one or not) she got so much more personality.

[@SnowCoveredKK]

Ernst Baum Dude, those are Biggs things. His glove and his red bandanna. Jesse has one too, but it’s clear it belongs to Biggs since he’s in bed with a head bandage.

[@howardwu169]

@@SnowCoveredKK That's Jessie's glove, there is a metal part on it

[@AlexiosLair]

Whispers were involved in the fight when she passed away, just like with Biggs. So I'm pretty sure she survived

[@Muzzy7862009]

You literally mentioned that there are multiple timelines going then proceed to say it undermines the ff7 story ? In the timeline that our party is in, zack still died. Nothing has changed for them per say.

[@yoloalchemist]

But then who’s to not say that, when they stepped into Destiny’s Crossroads, they actually stepped into the timeline where Zack’s alive? Speculation of course, but it’s possible.

[@maxp8268]

What is you will be able to choose your fate in the next installments? It would be based on choices. I honestly would be completely ok with that

[@donaldcurry1020]

still no prove of timelines at all but still saying there are timelines, it make 100 percent sense once your way from wild unproven theories and look at ff7 lore for the answers and everything in this game is in the lore of ff7.

[@TRDGE]

When we beat the entire game everything will return to the original -even the voice actors. ...especially for Zack.

[@kristinamorris1373]

I did so like Crisis Core's voice for Zack better but what can ya do lol. Still love Zack.

[@jmac9750]

Hype level 100 when they showed the recreated ff7cc ending scene with zack...until he started talking

[@Xbob42]

Ah yes, let's go back to the original FF7 voice actors of 20+ years ago!

[@christianrosado8838]

Its not our Zack though :( its just some other timelines Zack.

[@mikuluver7]

Yes, definitely. Question is, will we get Angeal and Genesis back in on things? Would be interesting since Genesis had a cameo in Dirge of Cerberus.

[@GaryMcAnim]

So when I finished the ending, I thought that was an incredibly epic fight and when I realised it was a kingdom hearts-eque fight did put a bit of a downer on it. However this project does have the original writing team involved here and this is the story they want to tell. As such, I'm going to play the next few titles and judge this accordingly but for the time being, I want to be patient. I dont want to accuse them of lying to us, because they have said that they were changing the story to accommodate the Remake.
In saying that though, I would like to throw out a theory and opinion. The original did mention in passing with Bugenhagen that the lifestream preserves the flow of time and with Sephiroth seemingly taking the power of "destiny" from the arbiter of fate. It would seem that the events of the original game will still play out but now Sephiroth knows everything that happen (and that's how he can kill Aerith and do other-fuckery things). Now the team must fight against a Sephiroth that knows the future, not too unlike the original tbh, only now they've explained how he can see/predict the future and be all-powerful.
With Zack being an alternate timeline, it's very possible but it could just be to emphasise it was in the past? Perhaps Stamp had a redesign after the war. Even-so, as they pass by each other the rain begins to fall and that would indicate that's when Zack dies. Crisis Core retconned Zacks death into something much much bigger than it was, he was jumped by a couple of soldiers. I believe this will still happen. How else would Cloud have the sword and memory problems. Shortly after they "walk past each other" a fatigued Zack gets gunned down by a lucky trooper and they leave Cloud to die as they assume he will.
I have to believe they wont be changing the story too much, obviously there will be new elements to the story but the main narrative must be intact as they have already done with Part 1. Either way, I loved the game and hope it continues to be this quality through each subsequent release!

[@Pamsywhamsy]

I agree with you and also I want to add to what you've said: I believe their choice to go this route is because they know the fans of the story already know what is going to happen. They chose to do this so that the story will feel new again, and so that the scenes we remember will surprise us again. And also the title "Remake" sort of gave it away for me, and when I finished the game it got even clearer. They chose to name it "remake" not because it's a remake, but because they are "remaking" the timeline. It's actually pretty clever in some ways.
However, I totally get that people are disappointed, I am too in a way because I was expecting a certain story....but I am also super excited to what might happen, what they might change. Because then it's like playing the original all over again.
I also cried hysterically over the fact that Zack might be alive....and that he and Aerith might have a happy future together ; o ;

[@Channel-gz9hm]

@@Pamsywhamsy If you wanted a new story to be excited about, how about playing or making a game to tell a new story? That goes for you and Nomura.

[@Pamsywhamsy]

@@Channel-gz9hm I never said I wanted a new story to be excited about. Read my comment again.

[@peachesgalore7689]

@@Pamsywhamsy The fans of the original already know and love what happens, but almost the entirety of us, surely, wanted something more akin to a remaster than a profound overhaul of the narrative.

[@Pamsywhamsy]

@@peachesgalore7689 yes and so did I, but it is what it is now and we can only hope that the continuation keeps the original in mind.

[@trailblazerrunner6186]

Im totally in to a new story away from the story i know and love its like a new journey again and im excited to the second installment I can't wait already.

[@1993Kire]

I would expect the future parts to at least roughly (as in "not nearly as well as this one did for most of the time, but at least on big picture level") follow the original story still (we visit same places, for same or at least similar reasons, the character motivations and goals being the same or similar etc.) but some plot points will obviously change. Might even be that we get to actually influence how things turn out through player choice and actions (like we could save Aerith if we did something earlier in the game etc) as that would be very much in theme of this "fate is no longer set in stone" thing that the ending implies. I just hope they drop the time travel/alternate timeline thing now that that point is made and the whispers dead or at least don't make it a big part of the plot going forward, but since it's Nomura in charge of things I fear that won't be the case. Of course, they might make it completely different, but I wouldn't really see the point in that. They have to know that would piss off so many fans that it would kill any goodwill that they got by making this in the first place (they seem to have partly succeeded in that already with this ending). It would really damage the image of the whole franchise and them as a company. I suppose we just have to wait and see. I hope we get at least some info about the direction of the future once the dust has settled. There are just so many questions the fan base has right now.

[@Sampawende]

If you've played the Kingdom Hearts sequels, you'd know that they are heading into a convoluted and only understandable under LSD story. The only hope for this series is to keep the people who brought this idea and all the whisperers thing as far as possible from this project.

[@IiI_Gogeta_IiI]

I don't think they will deviate so drastically that let's say it's unrecognizable. What I feel they will be doing is taking the original story from ff7 and just maybe presenting it differently or having different outcomes. Like the ultimate goal is still the same...defeating sephiroth....what might change is how they actually defeat him.
But your idea of saving aerith and how what we do in the game influences wether she dies or lives I think would be awesome and is something I thought about too. We did have it in remake it was minor but depending on how many side missions we did before going to save Tifa determines how Aerith dresses when infiltrating Cornaos house (like in sector 5 where you going to the orphanage and such and help out the kids with some quests)
If people are mad that Nomura is doing something different then really they aren't understanding people. I like it when things get done differently not to mention the remake ending doesn't tarnish the story if the original it preserves it by pointing out varying timelines some people have even point out that the Midgard the group travels to after stepping into the light at destiny's crossroads is the original Midgard from the original game.
I think people think of timelines as one straight line and if you go back and change something in the past that it effects the future but there is so much more media that depicts the contrary Dragon Ball is good example of this. Trunks goes back in time to make sure Goku doesn't die (which is the ultimate cause of his present) but him saving Goku doesn't change his actual present it just allows for another future to be born. From the looks of it this is true in the remake that the deviation the group takes doesn't actually effect their future selves. Ultimately just cause Aerith might not die in the remake timeline doesn't mean she doesn't die overall she just doesn't die in this timeline.

[@JNTyou2be]

After killing highway robot
Me: Nice now the highway will end and we will be out of midgar
Game throws a huge breaking immersion/logic monster at me.
Me: What the hell is going on in here!!?????
After game ends.
Me: ...

[@lrpsquadprince]

Couldn’t be more true. The EXACT feeling I had. I thot maybe they would through a teaser of what part 2 would be like with the world but boy was I wrong.

[@soufiya1461]

Same, I was so exhausted in the end.

[@MrNamelessTucker]

I am too

[@libertyprime69]

How do you cock up what has up to that point been an outstanding game?
That's how.

[@ethanduffy9720]

I can't imagine what people who haven't played the original would have thought.

[@queenoffabulous2156]

Me, before the video, a fool: it cant be that different
Me, after the video: WAIT WHAT THE FU-

[@stryder8460]

I'll agree the changes I missed are mind blowing but I like them because it shows they aren't afraid

[@Cryosxify]

@@stryder8460 and they have all the resources to pull off this gamble unlike with ffxv

[@GaryMcAnim]

It's different hearing about it, it's something you need to play. It's a very "open to interpretation" ending tbh, it can be taken multiple ways.

[@VitoVitonerLanci]

@@stryder8460 Yeah, they aren't afraid to scam people with years of false advertising.

[@KillahMate]

@@stryder8460 To quote another commenter, if I come to your house and shit on your dining table, I am _also_ not afraid. There's nothing particularly admirable about that quality.
The game is about as 'mind blowing' as an r/im14andthisisdeep post.

[@omega458]

this game makes sephiroth thanos in end game holy shit! my body is ready for the sequel! Sephiroth knows his downfall MIND BLOWN and now shits going down and this game is basically a sequel to og ff7!

[@normzthezoundman4209]

So instead...Imagine from fighting the ginormous Time destiny beast & hooded Harry Potter whisper ghosts. Then fighting a super fight with sephiroth. How will we now go to Kalm town & have that flashback of sephiroth to show how really awesome, mysterious & terrifying he is. How can we go to chocobo farm & then the Midgar zolom snake after fighting the giant universe time beast & sephiroth so early in the game. You see what I mean. The pacing is terrible. What a horrendous ending. I feel sorry for the future of this remake with all this timeline bullshit & dragon ball z fighting 🤦🏾‍♂️. Watch them ruin one of the greatest stories ever told

[@aphidamas1]

The ending means "fuck you for wanting an actual remake."

[@ChairmanSteel]

"Aerith's not gonna die" was the exact reaction I had to the ending. But I can also see it being a dramatic thing where the whispers stop Cloud from saving her and force that event to happen. It's really up to Square which way they want to go with it. For me, as long as they stay relatively close to the original - visit the same towns, meet the same characters, fight the same bosses for the most part - I'll be OK with it. I'm worried the success of this one is going to make them feel at ease to get really over the top and indulgent with it, but time will tell. I'm certainly not going to preemptively second guess them given the incredible quality they just delivered.

[@deviltelletubbie]

Mike Rentas
I do think we will be visiting all of the same locations, and I think the main story beats will still be relatively similar. I’m of the mindset that Zack and Biggs being alive, the changed Stamp, they’re Squeenix’s way of explaining what could’ve been had the characters defied fate earlier in their lives, a visual example of the butterfly effect and, generally speaking, a way to fuck with us as an audience. I’m really hoping those guys stay dead, but I’m totally open to the idea that the characters now know they can potentially affect fate and make a change to the existing timeline. It’ll allow for some new story ideas which could prove interesting.
As it stands, the characters are still following their original path, the original timeline, outside of Midgar. Kalm is still the nearest town and it’s the next place they’ll end up, regardless. All that’s new so far is that they know for a fact that they can potentially make a change and stop Sephiroth from doing his shit.
So yeah, I don’t think the next parts of the story are going to be totally unknown, but Squeenix have definitely made it clear that things are not going to go the way we think it is. It’s a remake in the grandest sense. It’s worrying for sure but it could end up being something real fuckin neat.

[@lionzcrown1702]

but the whispers have no control anymore. sephiroth has just become the new arbitor of fate..
makes him scarier than ever

[@Mirage475]

Whispers don't exist anymore because Cloud defeated fate. However, it would be even more gut-wrenching if Cloud made the choice to let Aerith die in this game knowing the events of the original timeline.

[@diddliduddli2835]

amen

[@vincentgraymore]

@@deviltelletubbie The story cannot follow the same spirit as the original. The fate of the world is already known regardless if it turns out that way or not. It is no longer a lot of things happening creating a story but rather a bunch of stuff happening in between two events. Our characters now don't have any reason to mourn or suffer because they know that they can change everything. In the original when they think the world is doomed because of the meteor is now in question. It is not the desperation of what to do but only how. It doesn't really matter what happens in between any longer as it will always just be about defeating fate and not dealing with the present.

[@fuzz7981]

Yeah, your closing points pretty much sums it up for me too unfortunately. Nomura is having his way with the property and it is going to turn into another Kingdom Hearts incomprehensible mind f, full of multiple time lines, time jumps, obscure symbolism and cryptic dialogue. There was no clear reason WHY the party were trying so hard to defy the arbiters of fate. They were actually given just as many reasons to NOT defy them given how much the arbiters helped them along the way. Just a cheap way to keep Aerith alive imo. Fans are going to be out for blood if they keep her alive. As much as we all love the character, her death became the defining moment of the entire game and a moment synonymous with Final Fantasy as a whole.

[@xcetrax]

The ONLY logical explanation I can give is that the party thinks that fate in their timeline ends in sephiroth winning. So they defy fate to prevent that from happening, not knowing that not intervening ends up with sephiroth...actually not dead given what happens in advent children i guess? I dunno...

[@AttikhaIvrit]

I agree. I think, even Sephiroth, for better or for worse, is not satisfied with how Fate played out for him. The way it left him an eternal shadow/phantom tied to Cloud.
Like being a disembodied spirit bound to Earth, unable to enter the Heavens.
So the goal is to defy that Fate, risking it all into unknown territory. Nothing is safe, not even Zack's and Aerith's original Fate.

[@arklaed]

No reason?? Aerith dies, the meteor falls on Midgar, the weapons attacking cities... A barren Midgar 500 years in the future. Yeah right.

[@zipzeolocke2]

and yet they didn't give Jessie the same special treatment! I will never forgive them for building up and then killing her off, bring everyone back to life but her. How heartless

[@JonathanPetersonlisten2EITS]

Great summary of a very interesting-and divisive-ending! I’ve never played through the original (though that’s changing thanks to the Switch port), but I’ve always been an avid fan of the lore of the FF7 compilation. I am absolutely stoked to see what they have in store for us! This game was brilliant in every bit of execution given the immense pressure from fans and its many development woes.
I completely understand how many fans can be disappointed by this huge swing in direction though.

[@pureebil3861]

I just dont understand why they've done this.
The FF7 story felt complete. Even if it was the afterlife, Aerith and Zack were shown to be reunited in Advent Children even going so far as to reconcile Clouds guilt over all that he blamed himself for.
Building the anticipation for a faithful remake of the beloved story, including the option to extend into advent children, was almost cruel if their intention was to just completely change everything we know and love.
It makes me question whether they believed FF7 fans would be enough to market the original story or if they even had the ability to actually remake the original game entirely.
After watching your wonderful let's plays of the original just reminds me of how much innovation and variety really existed in that game, there are few if any games that really have the scope FF7 really had.
Personally I can't wait to see what comes next and I'll have faith for now they won't drop the ball with the next installment, but I don't know if I'll ever get over how disappointed I was to learn that they are not truly remaking the game as they lead us to believe.

[@jellybryce7742]

ac was trash.

[@braddl9442]

Nomura is a bad director. There is your answer.

[@_Ikelos]

"Cruel" is a good word here.
They don't tell you the truth until the very end. It's basically VII with some black ghosts, you're having a very good time, you drop your guard and then it stabs you in the back in the last hour.
It really feels like betrayal.

[@marhawkman303]

remakes of FF games have always had drastic changes. This is the most drastic one yet. I'm really wondering if it will have a story that branches and changes based on player choices.

[@DevDreCW]

Remember when Assassins Creed was just a historical game about an assassin? Remember when rumors started popping up that there was a 'future timeline'?
I was so disappointed and checked out so hard once I played that game. I remember being like "YOU ALREADY HAD SOMETHING SO COOL AND UNIQUE HERE, WHY RUIN IT!?!?!"
This reminds me a lot of that.

[@fsagbada]

Now, this is what you called a game for the new generation of JRPG gamers. I'm a huge Final Fantasy VII and seeing other games being remastered is ok and all, but staying stuck in the past is downright stealing what's in store for us in the future. Let us all move on and cherish what has come to pass and embrace and celebrate what's new to come.

[@equipbasicsword]

Wow, what a take. Saying fans who wanted the original storyline are stealing. Bear in mind that nobody who played the original knew that they were going to play this card and all those players who asked for a Remake weren't asking for the story to be altered, they wanted to see Midgar and the rest in more detail, to be able to explore the world more, to see this story in greater detail, not for the story to be altered.
This is not staying stuck in the past, not even in the slightest. Staying stuck in the past would be complaining that this game's graphics aren't like the original, that there's too much detail in Midgar, etc. How about you show empathy to those who were hoping to experience FFVII's story in greater detail with plotholes filled, characters expanded on and new graphics, as opposed to a different timeline reboot / sequel to the original FFVII and labeled as a remake.

[@CustardBustard]

There is absolutely nothing about ff7 remake that feels stuck in the past, to old fans or new players. So there was no need to throw it all away at the end. If the writers wanted freedom, they could have done that from the start instead of lying to everyone. Or just make another game. You could use the 'stuck in the past' excuse to discredit the idea of remaking a game at all, and simply demand it never be done and just make a different game instead.

[@georgies6623]

@@CustardBustard Exactly. I want to tattoo this on my face.

[@Pookie2112]

I really fucking hate how they kept biggs and wedge alive because the emotion was so strong during their death and the ending said fuck that they are alive. Im going to be so pissed if Aerith lives it was such a strong moment that gave motivation to the characters to continue

[@BlueEyesTurdDragon]

You say “this isn’t a remake anymore” but that’s it , it never was! The only thing being remade, is their fates :)

[@marcodragneel8035]

Maybe that's the reason for the game's name. Not a remake of the game, but a remake of the characters' fate hahaha

[@ForOdinAndAsgard]

You will find in life your wyrd to be set, it is just that the path to it can differ.

[@azrasashima3733]

im not sure how i feel about the implications of the ending as up until that last few hours i was absolutely in love with the game and the direction it was going and then everything suddenly started changing and i was left confused... then i watched this video and seen the stuff i didnt notice and now im right back to how i felt when they announced the remake was actually coming and not just endlessly teasing us.
worried, anxious, fearful of change, ever so slightly hopeful... but im still trying to process my feelings about it.
i think based solely off this game alone and implying the changes are interesting and reasonable, im leaning to thinking of it more like a "what if?" storyline. could be this was just them testing the waters so to speak and seeing how the world reacts to the idea of an alternate storyline or something.

[@Hyroth1337]

So this is on Kingdom Hearts-Level now. I really hate Timeline-Retcons. Wish they would've expanded on the original story, but not change it.

[@andreseh87]

They were doing a wonderful job until chapter 18.

[@skat26onPSN]

Amen brotha

[@jameslewis3793]

@Caio Coelho Cloud in a dress is still Cloud. A retcon is a retcon, no matter what explanation it's dress it up in.

[@kwizzeh]

@@jameslewis3793 I look at it like a soft reboot. Similar to how the new Star Trek films are canon to the old Trek films but can remain their own thing.

[@driveduke]

there was enormous expansion though, they added a lot of reimagining of the main story beats and fleshed a lot of it out in a proper way. the kingdom hearts changes make me very sad for this game and the future ngl

[@samadams4471]

I like the idea of fate being added. The reason why I say that is because I can see an opening for a much more deeply enriching and sad story that will make us hurt even more, but in a good way. We already know Aerith dies, we know how this whole plot pans out, but WHAT IF, Aerith escapes death only to realize that she has to correct the timeline in order for someone else or everyone else to live because of Sephiroth's newfound power. Now we are faced with a new difficult scenario that's even harder to swallow because instead of being murdered unknowingly, she has to make the difficult decision to allow herself to be murdered even though she is now aware of her fate.
What makes it most difficult to let go, is the newly added personality to this Aerith who begs Cloud not to fall in love with her, and is so much more joyful, sweet, and so on. You grow to love her even more, and you TRULY and FINALLY believe that there is a chance that she and Zack can live. Only to find out that they must accept their fate.
Who knows, maybe they can "return to the planet" in much the same way as Tidus did in FFX.
Just my opinion on it. I think there is definitely potential for growth, GIVEN that they actually do pull the heartstrings of every fan, old and new.

[@nokturn882]

Imagine Zack shows up at the end and Cloud gives him back his buster sword and Zack fights sephiroth and finish what he started. I loved the original, but i feel like this "re-imagining" of this game is refreshing. I just wanted Jessie to come back, she was such a good character in the remake.
but if you guys watched the original e3 trailer for this game. the narrator eluded to this in an indirect way. he also hinted that we will have the opportubnty to make things right.

[@reapeashooter2]

RETCON WRAITHS
GHOST TIME JANITORS
PLOT POLTERGEIST

[@tiensimon1263]

The recton wraiths are the ones trying to keep the orginal storyline in place

[@Cettywise]

😂😂😂

[@JackBlack-jv2wg]

They are original fans. The ones square actively killing throughout the game, with the final blow at the end.

[@h2ojr1]

REBOOT APPARITIONS!

[@stealthmaster96]

PLOT POLTERGEIST
TIME JANNIES
RETCON RANGERS
SPOILER SPOOKIES
CHANGE BAD BOOS
DEMAKE DEMENTORS

[@lee86iozzia91]

Years of excitement for the remake now its years of fear for the next part...

[@richardhealy]

AKA Last Jedi Syndrome.

[@lee86iozzia91]

@pigjedi yeh i wasnt expecting that kind of ending I'm on my second play through now i love it, the wait for the next part is going to be a killer

[@solriver267]

aerith may live but the possibility of everyone else dying is also possible. damn.

[@MetalJams]

Calling it now, instead of Aerith dying, Cloud dies and we play as Zack

[@TwinSnakes89]

I wanted a Final Fantasy 7 remake. I got Kingdom Hearts 4

[@tearlockhart]

Lol this is so accurate xD

[@YYorle]

Actually you wanted to play a FF7 Remaster, not a remake

[@caiomarastoni1031]

@@YYorle actually you have no idea what a remake and a remaster are

[@nomight273]

@@caiomarastoni1031 this is a remake

[@agiddysea]

It would have been easier to cash in on the nostalgia.

[@sam.246]

It would have been harder to make changes that makes sense, instead of dissonant ones.

[@Raiden3651]

But the changes will allow for more spinoffs/crossovers spread over the next 15 years.

[@KillahMate]

Is this the 'courage' that helped Apple ditch the headphone jack?
How about letting a new generation experience Final Fantasy VII for the first time, instead of this masturbatory fans-only bullshit for card-carrying Squeenixers? Would that have been easier? Look, it's Zack! Remember Zack? OMG Sephiroth showed up, he's so cool he _sliced through the fourth wall! EPIC!_
Making a different game and calling it Final Fantasy VII Remake _is_ cashing in on the nostalgia.

[@marhawkman303]

the real question is if it would have been more profitable, I don't think it would.

[@xcetrax]

@@KillahMate the irony in your response is that this is the way to let a new generation experience final fantasy 7 and the card carrying squeenixers are pissed af...

[@MrTheYocks]

The only thing that bothers me about the whole "Zack is alive" is, if he is alive, why does Cloud wears the buster sword at the beginning of FF7 Remake ?

[@maybe8156]

Yocks different timeline

[@pokerkid8338]

Because there is a different timeline. When they stepped through the wormhole there will be a new timeline. Zack is still dead.

[@kaelsith]

My dude can't grasp the meaning of different timelines.

[@cemarz]

He gave it to him. Not complicated. He did it once. People are completely off the hook with the timeline thing. There are multiple stamps in the remake. Even in the scene at 12:40 of this video to claim there is only one we see an alternate stamp under the one we are familiar with.

[@AquariusEdge]

Have you ever heard of the words “Alternate Timeline” in your life

[@tram8946]

Honestly scared they may give the me that spent countless hours trying to revive Aerith the very thing I wanted then.

[@saiwaqa2573]

Me too!!

[@braingame007]

Honestly I hope we get that, or at least tricked into thinking that just to have it ripped from us.