Sweet Baby Bladefoot best comment I’ve seen just thought the same thing how two great jiu jitsu minds working together in a sense to see which techniques are best
For combat against the people who don't know bjj: direct flight. they'll be asleep on the plain before they know it. For the 1 tenth of 1% who know bjj, Chicago,Miami.
Para Jay Flying by plain is just plane dangerous - no aerofoil…actually not even any wings. Though roots f£#k@&* everywhere, assuming some basic vegetation aaaaaaahhhhh😖 my head hurts 🤣'course, cud happun two enni off uss, noe?
One of Gracie Academy's best videos. Straight to showing both mounted triangle attacks. The added brotherly debate kept the video extra entertaining and humious
I honestly enjoy how you guys train. Those short debates that you all have with each other to see which technique is more effective really opens the mind up for unlimited possibilities. May god bless you all, and keep up the good work.
"Not every student can be as explosive and as powerful as you are" Ryron about Reners method. "Not everyone is as fast as Ryron Gracie!" Rener about Ryrons method. Lol :P
@@jimhendericks Both techniques will work like 99,9% of the time. Like you said, not many people are as good as the Gracies so if you meet one or someone with comparable skillset, use your g&p.
I love how these two interact, even during a disagreement on how best to execute a move. Keep it playful, and as these two show here, everyone has an opinion, but not everyone has options. With their different opinions, i just gained two options :)
This is by far my favorite Gracie BJJ vid so far. I think that the comedic interplay is hysterical, and I love how Ryron just simply WILL NOT try Rener's variation! I would really love to see you two roll for real. That's one for Metamoris: Rener vs. Ryron! Bro-Struction!
People need to see this. Both men skilled. Both men being polite and helping the other demonstrate his version despite the disagreement about the variation. All martial art practice needs to look like this - Pressure testing technique to grow the art. Well done fellas.
I would have assume that they already know every trick about that movement, but it seems like they still are improving that technique countering each other's ideas. They are still perfecting it. I loved it.
I’m a white belt. Lol! But I heard somewhere that a blackbelt in BJJ is still learning BJJ. It is ever-evolving. Nobody knows all of the possibilities I don’t think.
@@MateusRei Yeah. It's impossible. But a black belt has a huge perception of what could happen and how to counter it. That's why they are black belts lol
I love that they didn't agree! This was my favorite Gracie Breakdown video of all time. Love that Ryron refuses to do Rener's version because "it won't work". There are a ton of haters out there, but these guys really do break it down incredibly well. Even if they weren't nearly as good as competitors as they both are, it would still be worth watching these knowing that they were taught by names we all know.
but in all seriousness Mr.Gracie(s), you're both right; it's situational. You fight the person not their body, judge who they are as a fighter and take every advantage you can based off that. If they are not so quick then fly direct, if they are responsive and vigorous then take a more controlled route :) But let's be honest they are just pretending to argue for the video ^^ they both know
possibly my favorite video you guys have done. It's super easy to see a sick move, have it fail in practice, and be left scratching your head trying to figure out how it looked so easy in the instruction video. The break down here was awesome.
First of all let me say: Direct Flight. Being from Australia we don't have much access to quality instruction in the GJJ field. You guys make everything so simple and easy to understand. Two truly great instructors. You make your family proud.
Both ways are good it just depends on how the person on the bottom reacts and how athletic the person on top is. I'm almost 50 years old and stiff, so I may have to stop In Chicago. Thanks guys good lesson keep posting videos.
i love the way that as they're going through the move, they're just making up escapes and the like and going back and forth with each other. great job yet again guys
tried both a few times now and found Ryron to be right in that Rener's method works GREAT on less knowledgeable opponent but inconsistent on better opponents. However, I had inconsistent results using Ryron's method due to the slightly more complex move. working on them both right now to improve my performane using both techniques.... good luck and training everybody....
i love triangles from the mount and i love both of these setups and have hit them since way back in my white belt days. for me it's like the same triangle setup from guard with the overhook (which i also like) where you can push the arm out and pull the leg up and through or you can push the hand between your legs and swing your leg wide and clear the arm that way. the beauty of the 2 setups (either from guard or mount, same principle) is that you can go back and forth between threatening the 2 making the whole setup more effective.
I like that these two are arguing about it. It makes more sense that situations are not always the same. Even if you lock that move on your head, there's always that one opponent that already figured out how to get away from that situation. Like how these two arguing about how to cancel the same move with one another. Pretty helpful, especially when you're watching them and thinking about another move to improve in a situation like this.
Got to say, I tried both versions, Rener's is a bit easier for me. It did seem a little easier for me to sink the leg in with Ryron's version, but with anything it will get better with practice.
So much to learn from these two masters, "challenging" each other. I dig all your breakdowns, but I feel I get more when you guys go back and forth like this. Thank you!
This is one of the most beautiful video's not only of a technique but of the blessing of having a brother. I was literally laughing out loud as I watched the two of you "argue" both your points and the interpretation of the wisdom it came from. God bless you both... and I side with Ryron :)
Alex Ramirez Yeah, and he just repeats himself, realizing the shortcut isn't as effective. I guess it's true that not everyone has the speed, of course
Took my first in person lesson yesterday! Man you guys make it look soooo easy. Have to say it was a little intimidating going into a school as a newb at 53… Thankfully I’m going to a Gracie Certified trining center so it was fun easy and very simple and welcoming! Happened to hit day one of Combatives… which is nice as I have been doing some at home w Gracie online ! What can I say you guys Rock and I’ll take direct or the Chicago route…
I love how they always seem to fight over a move or what is cooler or better and in the end both moves are awesome and we all end up using them both! Awesome videos guys! never stop!
thank you Rener y Ryron that was very helpful ! I am a new BJJ student in a Carlson Gracie Jiu Jitsu Den in San Antonio, Tx and am grateful to be a part of the Gracie BJJ tradition
Love the brotherly, playful arguing. I have to agree, go direct! When you take too many steps you're more likely to make a mistake, or you give your opponent more chances to counter or escape! Either way, great video. The way I used the video was to practice the non direct root to then upgrade to the direct root with ease.
Straight flight on the way to the destination, Long trip with a pitstop to Chicago on my way back home. Solid insight from the Gracie family, best in the business.
Hysterical! Its totally situational. They are both effective. I love the dynamic these guys have. Great instructional vids from two extremely knowledgable Gracie's....and funny.
While I prefer Rener's version for myself, I can see where knowing both versions would be a huge plus. Much respect to both of you Ryron & Rener. I really hope you don't sweat some of the comments that are made. Stay just the way you are !! The interaction between the two of you is valuable, whether it's serious & intense, or funny and relaxed. From one of your students, thank you for all that you do. I, for one, am grateful.
I agree. As soon as he pins the arm he sets his base off and the guy on bottom can easily lift left arm and escape or simply move the supporting arm and escape. Direct flight gets my vote.
GalenSD Valid point but if you check 5:24 until the supporting arm is in position the base is not set and therefore the trapped arm lifted with ease and because the top guys position is already set at an angle I believe it would be easy to roll into either top mount or side control from the bottom position. Those are my thoughts and observations anyway.
jazzy777 True, it's definitly a timing thing. If you're not on point you're going to get tipped if you don't switch the base simultaneously. Both methods are effective in their own situation.
Fair point. I suppose I prefer the Rickson Gracie mindset of never leaving yourself exposed to reversal or loss of control, particularly during the stages of transition. If you haven't seen it already check out the clip of Eddie bravo and joe rogan showing Rickson rubber guard. It's fascinating. 👍
They make great videos. Informative, entertaining, and these two are funny together. Now I wish I had someone to roll with. We need more practitioners in the world, there's not enough.
Several years ago i asked Rener who won the debate? Ryron (Chicago) or Rener (direct flight) He replied, "There was no debate. I respect my older brother. He's been doing jiu jitsu longer."
I wound go direct but it's nice to have the step by step option if you can't get there directly. Thanks for showing both and pointing out some of the counters your opponent may use.
So what's the point? You are using a jiujitsu instructional video to express your disdain for a lifestyle for which you don't approve? You need a hug and an acai bowl, my friend.
Damn, dude. You got serious real quick. Went from a joke about these guys to people hating gay people. You should have your own segment on The O'Reilly Factor.
I love that you're both very passionate about your views. Both are good, with what ever works in your situation. Both works, but just like any other techniques, variation may or may not work all the time, so you're both right, practice both. Thanks for sharing.
this is without a doubt your best video, two different moves, arguing about it tells us the strengths and weaknesses of each, and its hilarious to watch two bros argue, nice stuff
I did this last night on a fellow blue belt and I used the stop in Chicago method because it was just too easy to pin his arm down and I felt very stable with my foot on his arm. great technique. thanks guys!
This video is EPIC! two Jiu Jitsu Geniuses basically arguing displaying two amazing techniques which are both super effective, but this is the first i've seen on this channel of them trying to prove why one is better and why, and in doing so they showed so in depth all the flaws of eachothers technique.... amazing video
LOVE the Gracie method of BJJ! Both techniques can work but prefer Chicago because I am a consumate technician. Also you can strike your opponent well from that position. Direct is fast and sneaky and I believe would actually work better against a skilled opponent as he would know he was being set up for something in Chicago. Awesome vid. You guys are the best!
This is the best video I've seen you guys do yet. Even top-level black belts like you guys will have differences of opinion, and that's fine! Variety is the spice of jiu jitsu!
Its great how the two brothers show 2 variations. I personally prefer the direct flight for everything, but its good to know other variations with this technique
O'hare is so big and confusing so I don't always like stopping there. Although, depending on what airline your on it might benefit you to take a little pit stop on the way. Both are great! Use reflex development drills so you can pick the right variation at the right time!
Ryrons version works very well for me. I like to utilize the arm isolation during roll sessions, it catches the opponent by surprise often times and gives you the upper hand if you know how to control from this point.
I think both are value.. Depends on what opportunities present them selves.. I like watching you all go back and forth.. You guys should do more of these.
30plus years of judo,,fly direct definitely but always having an alternate route is beneficial. Wish I had a brother as you two, Koga and Inoue. Great to see brothers work together keeping the families honor and dream.
Sometimes I stop in Chicago sometimes I take detect flight to New York. It depends on the who I'm rolling with and how the opportunity presents itself. They both work, that's one of the beautiful things about Jiu Jitsu. Once you understand the concept of the technique you can ally the same technique with any number of different setups.
This is great. You can just react to whatever arm position they have. Most street fight situations would be direct flight situations because they would want to keep the arm close to the chest and if the person was physically stronger it might be difficult to pin the arm down Chicago style. Great stuff.
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lol when they argue and you remember that they're brothers
That's my favorite part. These guys are world class. And just like anything. You can skin a cat in many ways. Just respect them all.
***** the more they argued the more advanced it got it was like watching the cold war in fast forward as to super powers build up and build up
+Marco J hehehe, I love watching them bicker on the mats! :D
they went full naruto
daniel dunn It was like the final battle in Transformers
PLEASE more videos like this!!!! having the two styles debated offers a lot of perspective into the philosophy behind BJJ
Sweet Baby Bladefoot best comment I’ve seen just thought the same thing how two great jiu jitsu minds working together in a sense to see which techniques are best
this is why I love Gracie, 2 different and interesting opinions on 1 position, gives you a broader outlook on what is effect on the human frame.
best BJJ channel in youtube
I LOVE the competitive teaching desire of both Ryron and Rener. They just gave us two legit slices for the same technique. Awesome.
5:58 "na come on dawg, don't kill it" HAHAHAHA
If you don't love your Ryron and Rener Gracie, you need to keep it real and get outta here bros :)
I thought I was the only one who noticed it! I’ve watched this video like 6 times in the past week and that was the first time I heard that!🤣🤣
For combat against the people who don't know bjj: direct flight. they'll be asleep on the plain before they know it. For the 1 tenth of 1% who know bjj, Chicago,Miami.
Or practice the non direct root to then master the direct root
😂😂😂
Para Jay Flying by plain is just plane dangerous - no aerofoil…actually not even any wings. Though roots f£#k@&* everywhere, assuming some basic vegetation aaaaaaahhhhh😖 my head hurts 🤣'course, cud happun two enni off uss, noe?
These guys have such a passion for BJJ it just leaps out of there videos. Everything they do is really must see if you're a fan of BJJ.
Rewatching this years later. Love these guys! I like this “thinking out loud” debate approach. Helps in the learning process.
One of Gracie Academy's best videos. Straight to showing both mounted triangle attacks. The added brotherly debate kept the video extra entertaining and humious
I honestly enjoy how you guys train. Those short debates that you all have with each other to see which technique is more effective really opens the mind up for unlimited possibilities. May god bless you all, and keep up the good work.
"Not every student can be as explosive and as powerful as you are" Ryron about Reners method.
"Not everyone is as fast as Ryron Gracie!" Rener about Ryrons method.
Lol :P
Probably not many people are as good as Ryron or Rener, I'll probably stick to ground and pound if i get mount
@@jimhendericks Both techniques will work like 99,9% of the time. Like you said, not many people are as good as the Gracies so if you meet one or someone with comparable skillset, use your g&p.
these guys are the best teachers. even on youtube. their language is spot on. we are lucky to have these guys.
This was one of the best bjj videos ever man, this was the reason i started following Ryron and Rener, i love them man
Loved how they were disagreeing yet so civil and respectful of each others opinion. Loved watching it.
One of favorite jiujitsu tutorials because of the back and forth. We get 2 great ways to get to the same position amazing jiujitsu.
Hey!!!! 😀
What's up John Bon Dacasin
you guys are so lucky to have a brother you can train with. your interaction with each other as brothers is just uplifting.
The best of both worlds.....Leverage and efficiency....Helio Gracie split into to boys, Ryron and Rener.
I love how these two interact, even during a disagreement on how best to execute a move. Keep it playful, and as these two show here, everyone has an opinion, but not everyone has options. With their different opinions, i just gained two options :)
love the Boston
yeah but theyre bros lol they grew up with eachother
alleycatufc Thanks! I have three to play with! my mothers, neighbors, and a lost and found cutie that I claim as mine. Bostons are awesome :)
coolsvilleowner totally understand....But I have a brother myself...and we would have ended up punching each other over this :D
Jeff Zahnd I just slapped my lil bro in the face now loool.
This is by far my favorite Gracie BJJ vid so far. I think that the comedic interplay is hysterical, and I love how Ryron just simply WILL NOT try Rener's variation! I would really love to see you two roll for real. That's one for Metamoris: Rener vs. Ryron! Bro-Struction!
People need to see this. Both men skilled. Both men being polite and helping the other demonstrate his version despite the disagreement about the variation. All martial art practice needs to look like this - Pressure testing technique to grow the art. Well done fellas.
I would have assume that they already know every trick about that movement, but it seems like they still are improving that technique countering each other's ideas.
They are still perfecting it. I loved it.
I’m a white belt. Lol! But I heard somewhere that a blackbelt in BJJ is still learning BJJ. It is ever-evolving. Nobody knows all of the possibilities I don’t think.
@@MateusRei Yeah. It's impossible. But a black belt has a huge perception of what could happen and how to counter it. That's why they are black belts lol
These brothers are so different and I adore them both.❤❤❤ Good to remember Gracie jiu-jitsu is a "modification ".
Their relationship is fantastic. Truly incredible. Great video!
I love that they didn't agree! This was my favorite Gracie Breakdown video of all time. Love that Ryron refuses to do Rener's version because "it won't work". There are a ton of haters out there, but these guys really do break it down incredibly well. Even if they weren't nearly as good as competitors as they both are, it would still be worth watching these knowing that they were taught by names we all know.
but in all seriousness Mr.Gracie(s), you're both right; it's situational.
You fight the person not their body, judge who they are as a fighter and take every advantage you can based off that. If they are not so quick then fly direct, if they are responsive and vigorous then take a more controlled route :)
But let's be honest they are just pretending to argue for the video ^^ they both know
🙌🏻
possibly my favorite video you guys have done. It's super easy to see a sick move, have it fail in practice, and be left scratching your head trying to figure out how it looked so easy in the instruction video. The break down here was awesome.
"I'm not gonna do your variation, cause it doesn't really work" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can tell they are brothers. I find how they go back and forth very amusing, but both present valid strategies for varying circumstances. BRO.
Both, as variations only add to ones library. I Loved them both and find both a valuable asset to my skillset. Thank you
First of all let me say: Direct Flight.
Being from Australia we don't have much access to quality instruction in the GJJ field. You guys make everything so simple and easy to understand. Two truly great instructors. You make your family proud.
We need this to be a series "BJJ debates with Ryron and Rener"
Please
One of the best videos. Love the technical debate. That is what Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is about.
Both ways are good it just depends on how the person on the bottom reacts and how athletic the person on top is.
I'm almost 50 years old and stiff,
so I may have to stop In Chicago.
Thanks guys good lesson keep posting videos.
i love the way that as they're going through the move, they're just making up escapes and the like and going back and forth with each other.
great job yet again guys
tried both a few times now and found Ryron to be right in that Rener's method works GREAT on less knowledgeable opponent but inconsistent on better opponents. However, I had inconsistent results using Ryron's method due to the slightly more complex move. working on them both right now to improve my performane using both techniques.... good luck and training everybody....
exactly
You must've mastered these by now.
i love triangles from the mount and i love both of these setups and have hit them since way back in my white belt days. for me it's like the same triangle setup from guard with the overhook (which i also like) where you can push the arm out and pull the leg up and through or you can push the hand between your legs and swing your leg wide and clear the arm that way. the beauty of the 2 setups (either from guard or mount, same principle) is that you can go back and forth between threatening the 2 making the whole setup more effective.
family bbq's must be a hoot in this family :P
Burger chokes and charcoal armbars aplenty 😉
How fast do the mats come out or you think they set up mats when most set up chairs! haha
BjjBQ
Dave Dave - Bruh, they got mats set up 24x7x365. Don't have to get ready if you are ready.
I like that these two are arguing about it. It makes more sense that situations are not always the same. Even if you lock that move on your head, there's always that one opponent that already figured out how to get away from that situation. Like how these two arguing about how to cancel the same move with one another. Pretty helpful, especially when you're watching them and thinking about another move to improve in a situation like this.
my favorite episode ever
You guys are some of what’s right about this country. Such a pleasure.
Got to say, I tried both versions, Rener's is a bit easier for me. It did seem a little easier for me to sink the leg in with Ryron's version, but with anything it will get better with practice.
couldnt live without those free brakedowns THANX!
Both because there are lots of variables in play. It feels better to know and practice both.
They are always great at explaining the vast angles and options for a single technique! Fun to watch and learn! Thanks, guys!
What's ironic is Rener always uses Ryron's method in practice. Lol
So much to learn from these two masters, "challenging" each other. I dig all your breakdowns, but I feel I get more when you guys go back and forth like this. Thank you!
These two are straight savages! Lol that shit the passion and fun the are having on playing/ rolling/ wrestling.
This is one of the most beautiful video's not only of a technique but of the blessing of having a brother. I was literally laughing out loud as I watched the two of you "argue" both your points and the interpretation of the wisdom it came from.
God bless you both... and I side with Ryron :)
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 3:53 "INTERESTING"
Alex Ramirez Yeah, and he just repeats himself, realizing the shortcut isn't as effective. I guess it's true that not everyone has the speed, of course
Alex Ramirez yeasss hahahaha
I cracked up at that as well aha! Reminds me of Archer for some reason :p
Took my first in person lesson yesterday! Man you guys make it look soooo easy. Have to say it was a little intimidating going into a school as a newb at 53… Thankfully I’m going to a Gracie Certified trining center so it was fun easy and very simple and welcoming! Happened to hit day one of Combatives… which is nice as I have been doing some at home w Gracie online ! What can I say you guys Rock and I’ll take direct or the Chicago route…
I like Ryrons cuz my opponent tends to believe I will attack that arm
I love how they always seem to fight over a move or what is cooler or better and in the end both moves are awesome and we all end up using them both! Awesome videos guys! never stop!
3:11 Beavis and Butthead laugh.
Lol that's true
thank you Rener y Ryron that was very helpful ! I am a new BJJ student in a Carlson Gracie Jiu Jitsu Den in San Antonio, Tx and am grateful to be a part of the Gracie BJJ tradition
Thanks for the breakdown.
I love the Gracie philosophy and their teachings. Physically as well as spiritually enlightening.
Amazing jiu jitsu and humor!
Love the brotherly, playful arguing. I have to agree, go direct! When you take too many steps you're more likely to make a mistake, or you give your opponent more chances to counter or escape! Either way, great video. The way I used the video was to practice the non direct root to then upgrade to the direct root with ease.
Hahaha..... These guys crack me up and are both awesome ! I like BOTH versions!
This is one of the best channels on youtube, hands down.
Anyone else try this on there younger sibling. No just me? Lol 😂
Not alone lol. Was owning my little cousin with it haha
Straight flight on the way to the destination, Long trip with a pitstop to Chicago on my way back home. Solid insight from the Gracie family, best in the business.
Still the best part is "Do mine too" "Well I'm not gonna do your variation cause it doesn't really work"
Hysterical! Its totally situational. They are both effective. I love the dynamic these guys have. Great instructional vids from two extremely knowledgable Gracie's....and funny.
Lol I love these two man. They're hilarious
This is true martial ARTS! Love the way you interact, show and debate efficiency of the different techniques
loooool, "the people aren't as fast as Ryron Gracie right now"
While I prefer Rener's version for myself, I can see where knowing both versions would be a huge plus. Much respect to both of you Ryron & Rener. I really hope you don't sweat some of the comments that are made. Stay just the way you are !! The interaction between the two of you is valuable, whether it's serious & intense, or funny and relaxed. From one of your students, thank you for all that you do. I, for one, am grateful.
Pinning the arm out didn't work for me, pinning it to the chest worked, direct flight.
I agree. As soon as he pins the arm he sets his base off and the guy on bottom can easily lift left arm and escape or simply move the supporting arm and escape. Direct flight gets my vote.
jazzy777 doesn't the pinned arm become part of the base? If you have pressure on that arm it isn't going to be easily lifted or moved around.
GalenSD Valid point but if you check 5:24 until the supporting arm is in position the base is not set and therefore the trapped arm lifted with ease and because the top guys position is already set at an angle I believe it would be easy to roll into either top mount or side control from the bottom position. Those are my thoughts and observations anyway.
jazzy777
True, it's definitly a timing thing. If you're not on point you're going to get tipped if you don't switch the base simultaneously.
Both methods are effective in their own situation.
Fair point. I suppose I prefer the Rickson Gracie mindset of never leaving yourself exposed to reversal or loss of control, particularly during the stages of transition. If you haven't seen it already check out the clip of Eddie bravo and joe rogan showing Rickson rubber guard. It's fascinating. 👍
They make great videos. Informative, entertaining, and these two are funny together.
Now I wish I had someone to roll with. We need more practitioners in the world, there's not enough.
Beautiful
I'm sure if your grandfather saw this he would have the biggest grin :D
Several years ago i asked Rener who won the debate? Ryron (Chicago) or Rener (direct flight) He replied, "There was no debate. I respect my older brother. He's been doing jiu jitsu longer."
Awww man! Sibling rivalry!
I wound go direct but it's nice to have the step by step option if you can't get there directly. Thanks for showing both and pointing out some of the counters your opponent may use.
His arm was the only straight thing in this video… nah nah nah… seriously, this was helpful!
Have you seen Rener's wife?
Nah, dude. I'm not that into his personal life, I guess. That being said, have you seen Michelle Bachman's husband?
So what's the point? You are using a jiujitsu instructional video to express your disdain for a lifestyle for which you don't approve? You need a hug and an acai bowl, my friend.
Damn, dude. You got serious real quick. Went from a joke about these guys to people hating gay people. You should have your own segment on The O'Reilly Factor.
I love that you're both very passionate about your views. Both are good, with what ever works in your situation. Both works, but just like any other techniques, variation may or may not work all the time, so you're both right, practice both. Thanks for sharing.
stop at chicago seems more reliable lol
this is without a doubt your best video, two different moves, arguing about it tells us the strengths and weaknesses of each, and its hilarious to watch two bros argue, nice stuff
I did this last night on a fellow blue belt and I used the stop in Chicago method because it was just too easy to pin his arm down and I felt very stable with my foot on his arm. great technique. thanks guys!
Love at 6:00 when Ryron says,"Nah come on dog dont kill it".😅
Both attacks are ferocious, direct feels like my training partner wouldn't see it coming. You guys are great!
Great video, loved how you both discussed all of the positives and negatives of both positions.
This video is EPIC! two Jiu Jitsu Geniuses basically arguing displaying two amazing techniques which are both super effective, but this is the first i've seen on this channel of them trying to prove why one is better and why, and in doing so they showed so in depth all the flaws of eachothers technique.... amazing video
I listen to every minute of all Rener videos, he very thorough
I like both variations. BJJ is all about options from what I've learned so far. Great vid!
LOVE the Gracie method of BJJ! Both techniques can work but prefer Chicago because I am a consumate technician. Also you can strike your opponent well from that position. Direct is fast and sneaky and I believe would actually work better against a skilled opponent as he would know he was being set up for something in Chicago. Awesome vid. You guys are the best!
this is still amazing after all these years!!! and i cant help wondering what a revisit to this discussion would uncover!! Aloha, JB
This is the best video I've seen you guys do yet. Even top-level black belts like you guys will have differences of opinion, and that's fine! Variety is the spice of jiu jitsu!
Its great how the two brothers show 2 variations. I personally prefer the direct flight for everything, but its good to know other variations with this technique
you gotta love these guys, they keep it interesting and funny, you can just tell how much they love what they do
I love the counter challenge in this video. Offers some great perspective. I'd like to see more tutorials in this format. Great work fellas.
O'hare is so big and confusing so I don't always like stopping there. Although, depending on what airline your on it might benefit you to take a little pit stop on the way.
Both are great! Use reflex development drills so you can pick the right variation at the right time!
Ryrons version works very well for me. I like to utilize the arm isolation during roll sessions, it catches the opponent by surprise often times and gives you the upper hand if you know how to control from this point.
I think both are value.. Depends on what opportunities present them selves.. I like watching you all go back and forth.. You guys should do more of these.
Totally aggree. This video was awesome :)
Coming from a boxer, you guys ain't nothin to fuck with. Much respect and love for you two and the Gracie family
“I’m not going to show your variation because it doesn’t really work” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Love your videos. Always informative and entertaining. I’ll keep practicing
30plus years of judo,,fly direct definitely but always having an alternate route is beneficial. Wish I had a brother as you two, Koga and Inoue. Great to see brothers work together keeping the families honor and dream.
Sometimes I stop in Chicago sometimes I take detect flight to New York. It depends on the who I'm rolling with and how the opportunity presents itself. They both work, that's one of the beautiful things about Jiu Jitsu. Once you understand the concept of the technique you can ally the same technique with any number of different setups.
I've been watching lately the videos of Rener and Ryron, and I'm learning so much I hope they go to Manila, Philippines to do a seminar.
This is great. You can just react to whatever arm position they have. Most street fight situations would be direct flight situations because they would want to keep the arm close to the chest and if the person was physically stronger it might be difficult to pin the arm down Chicago style. Great stuff.