Noting that the damage scalars against all enemies for all weapon types have been calculated and documented by MossyMax. His spreadsheet is a fantastic resource. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b57Hb8m1L3daFfUckQQqvvN6VOpD03KEssvQLMFpC5I/edit Edit:wrong link initially
That's awesome! I've actually been thinking about running some tests to gather these numbers since they're scattered across different twabs, but I'm glad someone's also been looking into this
@@imagineabuild I appreciate you taking a critical look at the youtube “testing meta” because it’s driven me mad for years knowing that not only enemy classes (major v. boss) have different scalars, but that activity type AND EVEN SPECIFIC BOSSES have different modifiers - such as Riven’s wild damage modifier chart and all the weird weapon-specific nerfs per boss. Thanks for being credible.
Dude I’ve been dreaming of this since Beyond Light. We literally have Darkness powers. There is no way we would be unable to carve out a throne world of our own for testing and displaying our favorite achievements
Man I really hope we get a new tribute hall in lightfall with the return of calus. Infinite super, ammo, and every enemy type and race in the same room... used to be such a great mechanic
@@imagineabuild there's actually a shooting range of sorts in the Enclave, you first go there to meet Mara Sov at the beginning of the Parasite exotic quest immediately after the Witch Queen campaign. it refills your ammo automatically when you go down the stairs to it, and there's these discs you can shoot at for various damage numbers... but there's no way to proc any perks whatsoever, some discs give yellow numbers, but it's not clear if it's precision damage as Focus Fury doesn't proc. none of them break either, so you can't proc Rampage or Kill Clip. it's kind of a shame it's half-baked IMO, cause it would certainly be a great place to test not only DPS numbers, but also try out different crafted weapon builds. we aught to petition Bungie to flesh that room out more...
Hey, great video. One thing that I found out recently that will help is how to identify a boss (ultra) versus a major (elites, minibosses, champions). The icon to the left (or above in the case of Savathun) of their health bar will be a diamond shape if they are a boss and will be a triangle shape (minibosses, champions) or shield shape (elites) if they are majors. Fallout did a video about this. That way you don't have to try to freeze or finish them to know. Hope that helps.
You know you have a little cult of people who get so fucking excited when you upload, because you are one of literally the only good current sources of content and information for long time players. We appreciate you so much. Thankyou for being so objective and actually understanding what you are describing because so many people do not
I get that he’s good at the game but he’s actually one of the least reliable sources of accurate destiny info on the internet. He was always just SO wrong and so unapologetically so on so many occasions.
Incredible content as always. Thanks for pointing this out. As I’ve said in some past comments on your vids, I LOVE and greatly appreciate these analytical videos. Stay awesome out there!
Yeah i have been saying this a lot and also actively avoid ehroar cuz of him using carl in literally every test video but more and more people are using carl for testing so having someone tell the difference is very nice, there was one guy who also pointed this out months earlier (Swalesy) but his video didn't really blew up, hope this one does!
This is why I appreciate weapons being shown in relevant content and realistic scenarios. For example, the channel that is just doing a 6 stack of just about every weapon vs oryx is kinda nice to see. It's all the same boss, 6 different people to get rough averages, and he will redo the test if the numbers vary wildly
Great video. With a game like Destiny, where every enemy and gun has a unique scalar, it's surprising to me that this hasnt been considered before. Opens my eyes to how many subtle interactions might be missed and how important cataloging each step is to scientific testing. Nice work!
The boss in the Concealed Void lost sector on Europa is what I use for my damage tests, but Savathun at the beginning of the Preservation mission is also good, and I know a lot of people also use Kalli.
Great video. Another comment has already linked Mossy's spreadsheet which has valuable information for damage scaling at different difficulties and Combatants. The best way to tell at a glance what is and isn't a Boss is by looking at their iconography. 99.99% of the enemies in the game have correct icons - the exceptions aren't assigned correctly but wouldn't be efficient/relevant to test on anyway. Combatants are as follows (assigned by their Classification tier, then rank - I tend to avoid color assignments for color blindness reasons): Minors: • Rank-and-File (split into 3 main tiers) - square icon Majors: • Elites (split into 3 main tiers) - shield icon • Minibosses - downwards triangle icon • Champions - downwards triangle icon Note: Vorpal Weapon affects Minibosses and Champions only; The Conflux Lost Sector Boss is a Miniboss (as are all EDZ and Nessus normal-level Lost Sectors; all other locations still in the game and any Legend/Master Lost Sectors have Bosses instead) Ultras: • Bosses - diamond shape with a skull • Constructs and Vehicles - no icon/icon varies; I wrote-up a breakdown post on this subject on Reddit
A great example here would be Wardcliff Coil. For the few who aren’t aware, Wardcliff has a massive damage penalty against bosses to compensate for its otherwise incredible single target damage output. This is why it’s the go-to weapon of choice to melt Gorgons; they aren’t bosses, so Wardcliff’s “limiters” are removed.
the delineation between various yellow health enemies is absurd. like, it feels like there's more types of yellow health bar enemies than there are different health bar colors. which, at that point the purpose of color coding enemy health bars based on relative strength of the enemy starts to lose its meaning if there's no "at a glance" way to tell if they're a major, a mini-boss, or a boss
It would be interesting to see that the community has a kind of uniform baseline of damage testing, similar to the funnel web used in this video. Since the damage numbers can differ by a lot of variables, such as the damage number being very different between Kalli and a lost sector boss, it would be difficult to compare results from two different tests with only damage numbers.
There’s a firing range in the enclave if you run past the crafting relic. It’s on a cliff and you shoot floating pellets, you can’t proc certain abilities that rely on you doing damage but you can get infinite amo so it helps to learn swap rotations
Hey imagine, I’ve noticed you go really in-depth with math in your videos. As a high school junior, I really appreciate a lot of these numbers (today was a little more basic even with the stat mention at the end). But now I’m curious, are you a college student studying math or do you just have a large interest in the subject (I’ve never seen any testers go as in depth as you).
I'm in college right now, and work in computational chemistry research (simulation-based stuff) and have a minor in math. Suffice to say everything I do during the day is math to some degree and it tends to leak over into my content a lot of the time.
@@imagineabuild that’s awesome man. Being able to make in-depth content like this while being in college is dope. These videos have been some of the best D2 build and numbers videos I have ever seen.
Imagine, I’ve been watch some of your videos in regard to stasis and how it affects damage numbers in a DPS phase. How do you think a melee based DPS phase would look like with one player using a cold steel stasis sword? (the one from dawning) This could be in raids dungeons or anywhere. I’m just curious how this application would fair, and how different damage options would pan out. There’s the obvious swords, but there are also some melee DPS builds on titan and hunter.
I was talking about this in discord with a few friends earlier - I think the consensus that we came to was that if you're on stasis for DPS, the best move is likely to run Bleak watcher and Glacial Harvest to get font of might, Bleak watchers for shatter, and a whirlwind blade zephyr for damage. Cold steel is nice, but when you're already on a stasis subclass, you can just use abilities to replace the perk with another damage perk.
just a stats PSA - the alpha of .05 argument is for statistical reliability, not effect sizes. This video argues effect sizes (effect of damage). When you see a p < 0.05, they are talking about a likelihood vs chance estimate. Source - I am an experimental scientist. Everything else is spot on - the point about small errors adding up quickly is very frequently lost on most people, and can cause huge discrepancies. Nice video!
Here's an easy way to tell if an enemy is a major or a boss without freezing them. A major has an upside down triangle to the left of their name. A boss has a diamond to the left of their name. The only exception to this rule that I know of is vorpal weapon as it deals extra damage to champions even though they are majors.
You could use riven as getting to her is very easy (the wish wall) and doing the cheese where you go to the room before riven to get teleported to the top and listening for where she comes from is very easy. Also the raid is stuck at 1350 and probably isn't going to get vaulted (hopefully). Idk if this is actually viable and good for dps testing but could be easy and cool if u want to try it.
Yeah, it's a little shocking to me how I have yet to see any concrete testing on the differences until now. I've known for a while that there were discrepancies, but now that I've got concrete data, people can't really ignore it.
I play mostly Warlock, but I've been recently toying with some stasis builds for other classes. Behemoth is super promising with a ton of options, so I'm just trying to sort out the over-all strongest way to play it, preferably without hoil since that may be getting a nerf due to arc 3.0
Thanks for making the video so more people know my only question was why did people pick Carl as the next dummy I don’t think there’s any real benefits compared to the cons
I think the main reason originally was because his lost sector was super quick to sprint through, making testing fast. Most people ignored or simply didn't know about the major part.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always done my testing on the huge Fallen captain on Europa that always respawns by the ramp. He's big and slow, has moderate health, and comes back after a minute.
Nobody agreed to it. When someone is giving you free content on RUclips, there's no reason to complain. You can go do your own testing anytime you want to, and you should.
See, I knew I wasn't the only one who saw something wrong with using the Conflux "boss" for testing. I've been using the Ogre boss/ultra in the Altars of Sorrow lost sector for the past 2 years as my test dummy.
Wait why is it that no one uses riven? It has ads for kill perks Can be run in 6 stack for buff stacking Can be done solo Can be repeated for little cost with all ammo and super
I really cant fathom why they took away the menagerie testing room, it was probably the best qol thing they ever added to the game just gone out of the blue. Heck even the lighthouse stayed as a simulation, why not the menagerie testing room?
But for the Test you did wouldn't the enclave Shooting range do it to? You only need to care about the powerlvl that your weapons have but for Boss dmg most people use max Power stuff. So the enclave should be okay as long you only want to test Base dmg without kill perks or RLs and GLs because they only do impact dmg.
The enclave shooting range doesn’t factor in any of the unique damage variables for a boss scenario, so it would be similar to using a major for testing and then transferring those numbers to boss damage.
I do recall this being made pretty clear after the TH got removed by a few people, yet for some reason, everybody just stuck to Carl anyways because they figured it's just a matter of using a different multiplier to get the real numbers. The matter of compounding is exactly what I had in mind at the time, and not just over the long term, but also within the initial results themselves because of rounding. An insignificant deviation over a full damage phase will represent a passable result when factoring in the multiplier between majors and bosses, but what of situations where the multiplier itself is so different? A full damage phase will yield heavily skewed results. P.S: I do apologise if I might've used incorrect terms, but I did most of my schooling in a language that isn't English. Makes it harder to explain the thought process.
If the game treats Carl like a major, does that mean Vorpal Weapon, Boss Spec, etc don't have an effect on him? And does Major Spec work on him instead? I'm very interested in why Bungie would code some of the lost sector bosses this way
He's a Miniboss, so still gets affected by Vorpal Weapon. Major Spec is what you'd use for him. All Lost Sectors after Warmind that are still in the game have a Boss-type Combatant as its Boss. Nessus and EDZ are the only ones that have Minibosses, except when it's a Legend/Master Lost Sector.
This is why I don't follow any build makers that test in any lost sector. Unless they are doing a master or higher nf the build is bad and wasn't tested right
Noting that the damage scalars against all enemies for all weapon types have been calculated and documented by MossyMax. His spreadsheet is a fantastic resource.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b57Hb8m1L3daFfUckQQqvvN6VOpD03KEssvQLMFpC5I/edit
Edit:wrong link initially
That's awesome! I've actually been thinking about running some tests to gather these numbers since they're scattered across different twabs, but I'm glad someone's also been looking into this
@@imagineabuild I appreciate you taking a critical look at the youtube “testing meta” because it’s driven me mad for years knowing that not only enemy classes (major v. boss) have different scalars, but that activity type AND EVEN SPECIFIC BOSSES have different modifiers - such as Riven’s wild damage modifier chart and all the weird weapon-specific nerfs per boss. Thanks for being credible.
Man. If only there was a shooting range where we could spawn each type of enemy..
BRING TRIBUTE HALL BACK BUNGIE
Dude I’ve been dreaming of this since Beyond Light. We literally have Darkness powers. There is no way we would be unable to carve out a throne world of our own for testing and displaying our favorite achievements
Lmao
@@josiahbrosius3933 Well see, the funny thing is we already had this exact thing. Bungie decided we didn't want it so they removed it.
Warframe has it
if only this game had somewhere we could reliably test our weapons etc, disappointed they didn't bring back the tribute hall.
Man I really hope we get a new tribute hall in lightfall with the return of calus. Infinite super, ammo, and every enemy type and race in the same room... used to be such a great mechanic
idk what a tribute hall is but something like the simulacrum in warframe would be nice
@@thedog2583 its basically that but it was a room on the levitain with the bad juju quest there it was organicly unlocked
@@highfivemistertorque4537 O
@@imagineabuild there's actually a shooting range of sorts in the Enclave, you first go there to meet Mara Sov at the beginning of the Parasite exotic quest immediately after the Witch Queen campaign.
it refills your ammo automatically when you go down the stairs to it, and there's these discs you can shoot at for various damage numbers... but there's no way to proc any perks whatsoever, some discs give yellow numbers, but it's not clear if it's precision damage as Focus Fury doesn't proc. none of them break either, so you can't proc Rampage or Kill Clip.
it's kind of a shame it's half-baked IMO, cause it would certainly be a great place to test not only DPS numbers, but also try out different crafted weapon builds. we aught to petition Bungie to flesh that room out more...
Hey, great video. One thing that I found out recently that will help is how to identify a boss (ultra) versus a major (elites, minibosses, champions). The icon to the left (or above in the case of Savathun) of their health bar will be a diamond shape if they are a boss and will be a triangle shape (minibosses, champions) or shield shape (elites) if they are majors. Fallout did a video about this. That way you don't have to try to freeze or finish them to know. Hope that helps.
That's a really good observation. I've thought about the icons before, but never really took the time to go and figure out which was which. Good find!
I do all my damage testing on GM final bosses of course.
You know you have a little cult of people who get so fucking excited when you upload, because you are one of literally the only good current sources of content and information for long time players. We appreciate you so much. Thankyou for being so objective and actually understanding what you are describing because so many people do not
Ehroar been real quiet since this dropped
whats up guys today heeres my loost sector build
I get that he’s good at the game but he’s actually one of the least reliable sources of accurate destiny info on the internet. He was always just SO wrong and so unapologetically so on so many occasions.
Incredible content as always. Thanks for pointing this out. As I’ve said in some past comments on your vids, I LOVE and greatly appreciate these analytical videos. Stay awesome out there!
I’ve always felt like he was a very unreliable dps dummy. Thank you for this
What made you “feel” like he was unreliable?
Yeah i have been saying this a lot and also actively avoid ehroar cuz of him using carl in literally every test video but more and more people are using carl for testing so having someone tell the difference is very nice, there was one guy who also pointed this out months earlier (Swalesy) but his video didn't really blew up, hope this one does!
Your content is such a breath of fresh air, thank you for always encouraging players to use their brains and not just their right click.
Well then, good to know. Thank you very much for the in depth breakdown and explanation.
This is why I appreciate weapons being shown in relevant content and realistic scenarios. For example, the channel that is just doing a 6 stack of just about every weapon vs oryx is kinda nice to see. It's all the same boss, 6 different people to get rough averages, and he will redo the test if the numbers vary wildly
Great video. With a game like Destiny, where every enemy and gun has a unique scalar, it's surprising to me that this hasnt been considered before. Opens my eyes to how many subtle interactions might be missed and how important cataloging each step is to scientific testing. Nice work!
This was known before, I think I have a doc dating back at opulence, or arrival at worst.
The boss in the Concealed Void lost sector on Europa is what I use for my damage tests, but Savathun at the beginning of the Preservation mission is also good, and I know a lot of people also use Kalli.
kalli has a high crit modifier so precision weapons do way more damage
Well done. Thanks very much for the information. Very interesting.
Great video. Another comment has already linked Mossy's spreadsheet which has valuable information for damage scaling at different difficulties and Combatants. The best way to tell at a glance what is and isn't a Boss is by looking at their iconography. 99.99% of the enemies in the game have correct icons - the exceptions aren't assigned correctly but wouldn't be efficient/relevant to test on anyway. Combatants are as follows (assigned by their Classification tier, then rank - I tend to avoid color assignments for color blindness reasons):
Minors:
• Rank-and-File (split into 3 main tiers) - square icon
Majors:
• Elites (split into 3 main tiers) - shield icon
• Minibosses - downwards triangle icon
• Champions - downwards triangle icon
Note: Vorpal Weapon affects Minibosses and Champions only; The Conflux Lost Sector Boss is a Miniboss (as are all EDZ and Nessus normal-level Lost Sectors; all other locations still in the game and any Legend/Master Lost Sectors have Bosses instead)
Ultras:
• Bosses - diamond shape with a skull
• Constructs and Vehicles - no icon/icon varies; I wrote-up a breakdown post on this subject on Reddit
Incredibly in depth content. Your testing is next level, keep up the great work bro
This was a very well made video, thanks for the great information
A great example here would be Wardcliff Coil. For the few who aren’t aware, Wardcliff has a massive damage penalty against bosses to compensate for its otherwise incredible single target damage output. This is why it’s the go-to weapon of choice to melt Gorgons; they aren’t bosses, so Wardcliff’s “limiters” are removed.
the delineation between various yellow health enemies is absurd. like, it feels like there's more types of yellow health bar enemies than there are different health bar colors. which, at that point the purpose of color coding enemy health bars based on relative strength of the enemy starts to lose its meaning if there's no "at a glance" way to tell if they're a major, a mini-boss, or a boss
It would be interesting to see that the community has a kind of uniform baseline of damage testing, similar to the funnel web used in this video. Since the damage numbers can differ by a lot of variables, such as the damage number being very different between Kalli and a lost sector boss, it would be difficult to compare results from two different tests with only damage numbers.
There’s a firing range in the enclave if you run past the crafting relic. It’s on a cliff and you shoot floating pellets, you can’t proc certain abilities that rely on you doing damage but you can get infinite amo so it helps to learn swap rotations
Taking Stats in Uni just came in clutch 6:28
Speaking of DPS, what do you use for big DPS checks?
It depends, but usually if I need to do a realistic damage test solo, I use the grasp ogre, and if I need a team, I use warpriest.
Aztecross is gonna shit his pants.
you just personally decimated ehroar's career
Hey imagine, I’ve noticed you go really in-depth with math in your videos. As a high school junior, I really appreciate a lot of these numbers (today was a little more basic even with the stat mention at the end). But now I’m curious, are you a college student studying math or do you just have a large interest in the subject (I’ve never seen any testers go as in depth as you).
I'm in college right now, and work in computational chemistry research (simulation-based stuff) and have a minor in math. Suffice to say everything I do during the day is math to some degree and it tends to leak over into my content a lot of the time.
@@imagineabuild that’s awesome man. Being able to make in-depth content like this while being in college is dope. These videos have been some of the best D2 build and numbers videos I have ever seen.
what a wholesome thread
Imagine, I’ve been watch some of your videos in regard to stasis and how it affects damage numbers in a DPS phase. How do you think a melee based DPS phase would look like with one player using a cold steel stasis sword? (the one from dawning)
This could be in raids dungeons or anywhere. I’m just curious how this application would fair, and how different damage options would pan out. There’s the obvious swords, but there are also some melee DPS builds on titan and hunter.
I was talking about this in discord with a few friends earlier - I think the consensus that we came to was that if you're on stasis for DPS, the best move is likely to run Bleak watcher and Glacial Harvest to get font of might, Bleak watchers for shatter, and a whirlwind blade zephyr for damage. Cold steel is nice, but when you're already on a stasis subclass, you can just use abilities to replace the perk with another damage perk.
THANK YOU.
Thank you
just a stats PSA - the alpha of .05 argument is for statistical reliability, not effect sizes. This video argues effect sizes (effect of damage). When you see a p < 0.05, they are talking about a likelihood vs chance estimate. Source - I am an experimental scientist.
Everything else is spot on - the point about small errors adding up quickly is very frequently lost on most people, and can cause huge discrepancies. Nice video!
Now that I remember it, alpha in stats has more to do with confidence intervals than percent error. Goof catch!
I wish they would just Ballance all of the health in the game instead of fucking with damage modifiers for every single different enemy type
Here's an easy way to tell if an enemy is a major or a boss without freezing them.
A major has an upside down triangle to the left of their name.
A boss has a diamond to the left of their name.
The only exception to this rule that I know of is vorpal weapon as it deals extra damage to champions even though they are majors.
You could use riven as getting to her is very easy (the wish wall) and doing the cheese where you go to the room before riven to get teleported to the top and listening for where she comes from is very easy. Also the raid is stuck at 1350 and probably isn't going to get vaulted (hopefully). Idk if this is actually viable and good for dps testing but could be easy and cool if u want to try it.
These videos are such a breath of fresh air
Way more scientific. I like it. Good stuff. Using baseline and multipliers is a great way to keep things relative. Nice.
See i wish people like you who actually give thought to the scenarios and enemy type more were the go to for dps comparison videos.
It really frustrates me because this isn't new information and people who really should know better just ignore it
Yeah, it's a little shocking to me how I have yet to see any concrete testing on the differences until now. I've known for a while that there were discrepancies, but now that I've got concrete data, people can't really ignore it.
Now we just gotta put this on blast so that everyone knows.
Amazing PSA!! Thank you!!
yo dude, I really love your buildcrafting videos, do you exclusively play warlock? I was wondering if you'd ever be making a build for behemoth titans
I play mostly Warlock, but I've been recently toying with some stasis builds for other classes. Behemoth is super promising with a ton of options, so I'm just trying to sort out the over-all strongest way to play it, preferably without hoil since that may be getting a nerf due to arc 3.0
@@imagineabuild awesome that’s understandable
Amazing Video! 100% agreed.
Coming through with that tough love.
Look at this totally unexpected video that I had no clue was going to come out.
I immediately noticed this when I made a Lord of Wolves/No Backup Plans build, and Rhulk was not taking shit from LoW, even with all my buffs active 💀
Thanks for making the video so more people know my only question was why did people pick Carl as the next dummy I don’t think there’s any real benefits compared to the cons
I think the main reason originally was because his lost sector was super quick to sprint through, making testing fast. Most people ignored or simply didn't know about the major part.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always done my testing on the huge Fallen captain on Europa that always respawns by the ramp. He's big and slow, has moderate health, and comes back after a minute.
Is this only for weapons or does this apply to abilities and supers too mr imagine
Thanks for the info man
Idk why, but there’s something humorous about Reeds just being called Reeds, and not “Linear Fusion”
Not to mention the community for some reason agreed on one of the most annoying enemies to voluntarily shoot at for numbers
Nobody agreed to it. When someone is giving you free content on RUclips, there's no reason to complain. You can go do your own testing anytime you want to, and you should.
Thank you for this. Not all heroes wear capes 💯
See, I knew I wasn't the only one who saw something wrong with using the Conflux "boss" for testing. I've been using the Ogre boss/ultra in the Altars of Sorrow lost sector for the past 2 years as my test dummy.
you can also use any Moon, Europa, or Throne World lost sector boss, or any Dungeon boss if you feel like testing in a more realistic scenario
Okay, now I'm officially subbed lol
What made you choose Funnelweb as your baseline?
So happy to finally see a video on this, seeing boss dps calculated using the conflux's "boss" has always bugged me.
I hope you didn't have high energy fire on when you were charged with light for the funnel web base damage on E15 boss.
I didn't. I had on 3x Firepower, quick charge, and stacks on stacks.
Wait why is it that no one uses riven?
It has ads for kill perks
Can be run in 6 stack for buff stacking
Can be done solo
Can be repeated for little cost with all ammo and super
Solid video
How did you get your grenades back so fast in this video?
ruclips.net/video/mmVNNsCj9x8/видео.html
@@imagineabuild thanks for the link. It's much appreciated 😌.
Imagine ❤️
by the way is there any deepest lore behind it or we just collectively agreed to call him Carl?
I’m glad this dropped because I was on the lord of wolves hype train again. Now I’m like meh.
I really cant fathom why they took away the menagerie testing room, it was probably the best qol thing they ever added to the game just gone out of the blue. Heck even the lighthouse stayed as a simulation, why not the menagerie testing room?
But for the Test you did wouldn't the enclave Shooting range do it to? You only need to care about the powerlvl that your weapons have but for Boss dmg most people use max Power stuff. So the enclave should be okay as long you only want to test Base dmg without kill perks or RLs and GLs because they only do impact dmg.
The enclave shooting range doesn’t factor in any of the unique damage variables for a boss scenario, so it would be similar to using a major for testing and then transferring those numbers to boss damage.
bungie needs to bring back tribute hall :/
Don’t know why we can’t use the disks in the enclave… definitely doesn’t look as convincing but it at least gives us reliable info
I do recall this being made pretty clear after the TH got removed by a few people, yet for some reason, everybody just stuck to Carl anyways because they figured it's just a matter of using a different multiplier to get the real numbers.
The matter of compounding is exactly what I had in mind at the time, and not just over the long term, but also within the initial results themselves because of rounding. An insignificant deviation over a full damage phase will represent a passable result when factoring in the multiplier between majors and bosses, but what of situations where the multiplier itself is so different? A full damage phase will yield heavily skewed results.
P.S: I do apologise if I might've used incorrect terms, but I did most of my schooling in a language that isn't English. Makes it harder to explain the thought process.
If the game treats Carl like a major, does that mean Vorpal Weapon, Boss Spec, etc don't have an effect on him? And does Major Spec work on him instead? I'm very interested in why Bungie would code some of the lost sector bosses this way
He's a Miniboss, so still gets affected by Vorpal Weapon. Major Spec is what you'd use for him. All Lost Sectors after Warmind that are still in the game have a Boss-type Combatant as its Boss. Nessus and EDZ are the only ones that have Minibosses, except when it's a Legend/Master Lost Sector.
Yup but you did straighten it out.
This is why I don't follow any build makers that test in any lost sector. Unless they are doing a master or higher nf the build is bad and wasn't tested right
Leave Carl alone
Lol Destiny content makers are mad right now.
He's as accurate as any other enemy in the game
Nah
I do all my damage testing on GM final bosses of course.